Sign the Times Leaders
The Fink responds to Guido’s call this morning for leader writers to lose their anonymity. Tom Harris agrees. Not sure this is a campaign so much as a reflection. Fink basically says Philip Collins, Michael Binyon, Antonia Senior, Camilla Cavendish, Oliver Kamm, Joe Joseph and himself write the leaders in various combinations and permutations. Is that really a good reason why the contributors can’t all sign the leader?
Reading between the lines Fink seems to be saying that the editor sets the direction and we just write the stuff. Like Fink, Guido has written a few speeches for others in his time, Fink knows as well as anyone that actually he who crafts the words gets as great a chance to set the tone and direction as he who speaks or commissions them. If Fink is intimating that leader writers, like barristers, say things they don’t believe for good professional reasons (such as the editor told them the line to take) that is in itself interesting. Wouldn’t it be better that instead of hiding behind collective anonymity, they took personal responsibility for something they themselves take quite seriously?
Incidentally, some newspapers employ very young leader writers to pontificate. It seems laughable to be lectured on the strategic geo-political imperatives of Iran by someone who has just completed their gap year. We deserve to know who the authors of a leader are so we can judge with what authority they write and weigh their words accordingly.
Incidentally, Guido wrote his first newspaper leader when he was 21 (for The Sun). As it happens it was on a topic about which the young Guido was pretty well informed and was in any case more of a polemic. It was re-worded by the great Ronnie Sparks who was the official leader writer at the time during the reign of Kelvin MacKenzie. It was unsigned.
Not much interest in this Guido old chap. No piggies to bash and hate is there?
It is a bit slow … but I can reveal that the big Guardian leader on Brown Must Go a couple of weeks back was the idea od one man and one man alone. All the rest of the editorial board thought it was a terrible idea. But step forward Alan Rusbridger who has the final say … don’t know whether he wrote the thing himself or got Toynbee to do it. But it was crap.
Rusbugger and Polly…..what a pair…
I bet she shags him up the arse with a strap-on.
Yes please!
thick as thieves you are hilarious.
Shame you hate the jews.
there you are! you old fat lesbian, I knew you would come running when you heard someone say ’strap-on’.
oh and what are you going on about you bloody lunatic?
’tis you who is a hater of Jewish people because you wish Israel to take action that would cause Israel to slit its own throat.
whereas I am in favour of a secure, prosperous, peaceful Israel.
that makes me a jew lover, doesn’t it?
love not hate doctor mick.
but I suppose it must be difficult finding someone who will love you because you are so fat and ugly.
shame.
Bollocks you are. Your answer to the Palestinian question is for all jews to get out of Israel. Simple innit? Where will they go?
you are talking to an Englishman mick, and we gave you that land, so watch your fucking manners, eh?
Israel has the underlying support of Britain and America, but as all our countries have and are committing war crimes our position is precarious.
stop procrastinating and do the deal.
stop fucking about.
perhaps you do not have the interests of Israel at heart.
that is how you are coming across anyway, you know like just another warmongering arms dealer jiving motherfucker.
innit.
PEACE IN ISRAEL & PALESTINE 2009
GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!
Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East. The arab elite use Israel as a bogeyman to detract from their own internal problems not least of which is the obscene differences in wealth between the arab rulers and those on the street.
Yasser Arafat was typical. When he died he was the 4th richest head of state in the World while “his” people were starving in camps. He needed them to stay that way and he needed Israel as an excuse to keep himself in power. So do his successors. They live like Lords Bastards.
and so Israel must lead by example.
currently that example is one of a brutal nazi like occupation as well as the various war crimes Israeli forces have committed during the ongoing occupation of Palestine.
you’ve got to see the bigger picture mick.
international law must be obeyed, that is the point.
if no-one follows international law it means we are living in fucking anarchy.
I think you must be a hamas fifth columnist mick, you really are damaging Israel’s interests with all you piffle.
nasty c’unts like you make Israel look bad.
shut up and do the deal you tit.
Hamas millionaire elite engineered the invasion by provocation. They then fled their villas and swimming pools and hid in the ghettoes so that they would draw down fire on innocents.
Israel will not respond if not provoked. But if attacked they will retaliate. And so they did and Hamas must bear responsibility. The reason they did this was to mobilise the chattering classes – people like you – to turn against Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East.
Well don thicko, you’ve been duped. Not that that is difficult.
TAT you are a prick of the very highest four inch order. Everything you say and believe in is at odds with the majority of the people in this country yet you believe it is your God given right to crayon over the blog like its your own personal bog wall. Your welcome to your view of course but you are a knob and you do argue shite fucking arguments just for the sake of smiling at your crayon in print.
I don’t hate you, I reserve that honour for proper labourites who know how to milk the system. I just think you are a prick. A one trick prick capable of only a one inch bounce north when you tense after seeing Gordon on the BBC.
Takes one to know one.
Exactly. Sounds a like a wee bit of an in house spat to little old me. But the principle I agree with: leader writers should be more than happy to sign their work. If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear (or so the saying goes).
Incidentally, talking of fcuking piggies, I have just discovered from the mutilated exes on the parliament webshite that my pensioner parents paid for their MP’s dishwasher, freezer and bloody £300 bloody china bloody set. FFS. I MEAN, F F S.
They can barely keep up with their astronomical utility bills and council tax gouge and they’re forced to subsidise their (pisspoor) MP’s overpriced junk – and utilites – and council tax – too.
I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion we need to THROW THEM ALL OUT AND START AGAIN
(Forgive my shouting).
Maybe some piggies prefer to c-shell?
guido after coming to your blog you have showered me with info , you sir are a legend ,,,,,,,,,,,, arise sir guido
o/t last i heard lady thatcher still in hospital , my best wishes with her
the devil always collects freddie.
yo thick as , she left office 20 odd years ago
hmm.. sometimes it is difficult communicating with you tory trolls because you are so very dumb and greedy.
I have no axe to grind with Margaret Thatcher, I am a policies person.
so, straight to policies then:
Margaret Thatcher shut down the mining production in this country, and she did it in a very short space of time.
as far as energy security is concerned her decision was an absolute fucking stinker. we have 300 years of coal supply under our feet and we now have clean coal technology, yet we are importing coal. crazy innit.
when you also consider the barbaric implementation of that policy where the police were politicised and were ordered to brutalise hard working communities.
what a fucking mess, a mess that we have not yet cleared up. the thuggish nature of present policing was propagated under Lady Thatcher and underpinned by tony blairs government’s fascist anti terrorist legistlation.
conservative policy concerning housing has also proved itself to be a total failure. the tories sold council houses but did not build replacement stock because they would not allow the councils to use the funds raised from council house sales to build more houses.
in fairness they did build more council houses than the new labour war and occupation and torture party has done in the last twelve years.
so Thatcher got energy policy wrong and housing policy wrong.
employment policy? don’t make me fucking laugh!
Thatcher and her government did not give a fuck about how many people were unemployed as long as they and their friends did well out of the deal.
fucking c’unts.
foreign policy: The Falklands. a cynical view would be to say it was an unnecessary expedition designed to enhance her chances in a general election. the timing was very suspicious.
oh, and never mind your 20 years ago bullshit, it was the conservative party that assassinated thatcher, not me you c’unt. I am merely narrating events.
but let’s face it, was this country ready in 1979 for a woman PM?
course it fucking wasn’t. thatcher was a puppet put up to do the dirty work of the money men. when she had served her purpose and when things went wrong because of the unintended cosequences of tory social engineering they all pointed at thatcher and said look what that bitch has done.
Lady Thatcher was thrown away by the conservative party like a used wank tissue.
fucking traitors.
you see you just can’t trust the conservatives.
and dodgy david cameron has just had to pay back another 900 quid he nicked of the taxpayer: what a fucking thieving c’unt.
I told you dave was dodgy, innit.
thick as , i am not a tory , at the end of the day we get what we desrve, any way the goverment always wins
sorry freddie.
good analysis though, wunnit?
and Guido gets this shit for free.
motherfucker!
Thick as Two Short Planks:
I know Labour have had a dreadful run of Home Secretaries, but do you honestly mean to blame Thatcher anything you find amiss with the British Police of today. Really?
Presumably you would have preferred our energy policy to have been to leave our supply to the mercy of Arthur Scargill?
And for British subjects to be ruled by an Argentinian dictator?
So-called clean coal technology, btw, has failed to get private investment for construction of a plant anywhere, and since it merely hides the CO2 for a while, cannot frankly be said to work.
Let’s burn planks instead.
no worries thick as, all i say is she is human and if it was blair i would be the same , argue with policy thats fine but a human is a human
How’s the intensive fitness training coming along freddie?
Are you down the gym working up a sweat?
you’re a big man freddie and what you say is true.
it won’t stop the devil collecting though.
13eastie,
you are living in the past you dopey old c’unt.
do try to keep up duffer and try to have a little more faith in your fellow countrymen.
stop running them down, eh, you fucking traitor.
just out of interest, what part of the country are you from?
Thick As, can you turn the record off, it seems to have got stuck. Schools under this government hasn’t educated you very well have they? Maybe you will learn more at secondary school.
TAT is Gordon Browns play thing and I claim Scavengers Daughter to put the fucker in for an hour.
Tat is very busy but if you could fill out the application forms for his fan club he will have a look at them when he can be bothered.
I will fuck his mum!
Where is the dirt ?
Typical of our times, bloggers who wish to remain anonymous are exposed and MPs whose expenses should be made public have the legal right to have them kept secret (redacted). This cpuntry isn’t going to the dogs, were already there…
There is no p in Hoonry
Not put off the expenses-festival by the pathetic ‘Liberal Conspiracy’ monstering, I hope?
Nah. He is right, we have been witnessing the complete Guidoisation of politics for months. That is a victory.
GuidOrcs Oaf,
Since you are crap it is no surprise to see you are so full of yourself.
Jonty!
How fortunate you are. You’ve still got a year to get an article in the sun and beat him.
“GuidOrcs Oaf”
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA …
….er, not. Twat.
Nah. He is right, we have been witnessing the complete Guidoisation of politics for months. That is a victory.
A small victory I grant you. The sort of victory similar to gaining a first round win in the under sixteens at Wimbledon, simply to be knocked out in straight sets in the second.
However better a victory then none at all.
Victory in my eyes and in those of many others would have been at least half of the buggers swinging from lamp-posts.
This whole issue has been a complete Anti-climax. A collective internet wanking session gone wrong.
The ISSUE is what has all of this bullshit resulted in? What legislation has been enacted, which would not have been if not for the bribes and corruption?
How many extra taxes, attacks on our liberties, and involvement in viciously needless wars has all of this bullshit resulted in?
The people did not vote Labour 3 god damned awful times, for what they actually got. That includes many committed lefties, who judging by CIF hate this government and all it has stood for even more then the contributors to this site, which is really saying something.
The reality is that the people have been COMPLETELY SHAFTED from the very first day of this government, by their entire establishment class, from the BBC up.
This is THE REAL POINT. All of the rest is just pointlessly playing with ones own cock, however pleasurable that may be.
Oh fuck, don’t tell me you’re back again.
How are the lizards?
What fucking lizards may they be?
They may act like lizards, but these people are most surly as much human beings as the rest of us. Understand that unlike DI I dont get paid to spread dis-information, for the benefit of idiots like yourself.
Perhaps you should start reading my comments more carefully, you may actually learn something which is VERY IMPORTANT.
You may actually find something that I have STATED will happen, that has not actually happened. So far I consider I have been 100% correct on everything, without exception.
If you would care to show me where I have EVER been wrong, I would love to read it. Otherwise please fuck off.
yeah, and you don’t double space as much as you used to either.
funny innit, the less double spacing you do, the better the quality of the content.
maybe if you don’t space at all you will be a genius like me.
barry, you are the midget john mccain and I claim my £5.
now fuck off you fucking cripple.
definitely no refund for a motherfucker like you.
You are knob and I claim my 3 baht. Which I will donate to you getting laid for the first and only time in your life.
Thick as thieves is a genius.
You are a knob.
It’s clearly the party line …… and increasingly boring. If the media’s truly concerned about taxpayers, there’s loads of meat on the cost of MEP’s expenses to gnaw on.
Who cares what The Times thinks? We know its leader writers might as well have Rupert’s hand up their holes operating them, and since they outed Nightjack no self-respecting blogger should read them.
its all within the rules
Slightly off topic but LOL!
Good one!
Offers in excess of 88p, eh? Will PayPal accept a bath-plug and a 1p piece?
Has anyone got ‘Building Britains Future. poland yet?
One bankrupt 3rd world country for sale. Resident dictator and spineless cabinet included. 88p ONO. Phone Mandy on 666 696969
This seems rather like a reverse of the ad hominem logical fallacy.
Letting “your betters” do your thinking for you.
Its obviously quite difficult of course to do all your own research, but knowing who they are only gets you a small way to discovering what the real biases and faults are in what they are saying.
one can never get cynical enough about what one reads in the papers.
well surprise surprise
You are Cilla Black and I claim my fiver.
“”The leaders are not anonymous, they just aren’t individually signed”".
A career at the gold lined troughs of Westminster awaits with logic like that.
Surely ‘Sign of The Times’ would have been just as apt a title.
I agree Guido if the great unwashed have to put up with no benefit of anonimity then the media and polticians at the top should have no benefit from it either.
If the great unwashed have to make their cases and stand by their words openly and face jail or punishment or attacks for them then the parasites at the top should as well.
After all that’s how a democracy and fair transparency works.
The politicians and media love to beat the public with the ‘if you got nothing to hide you have got nothing to fear’ mantra well it was time it was applied to these parasites as well.
sorry for the poor spelling and punctuation had a pub lunch with me mates lol.
WHAT!
We live in a transparency NOT a democracy
Didn’t see that coming!!!
Confucius, he say, ‘People live in grasshouses, shoul’ pu’ ou’ li’s befall limovin’ close.’
you’re a strange one, aren’t you?
What’s this joined up thinking? Fook me I thought you was an utter cock. Turns out your not.
very weak anon.
remember, the reader is far more intelligent than you are.
Finkelstein’s one of the many reasons why I never buy the Times.
I don’t buy it because it’s crap
It has certainly moved down market, but I fear so have all the other broad sheets, so I stick to the one I know.
Can’t argue with that. I used to really enjoy the clever and witty writing in the Telegraph but even that paper is a less than moderately interesting read nowadays.
Where have all the good journos gone?
Certainly not to the Times, the Gruniad or the Indescribably Boring.
Christ I sound like my Dad going on about the ‘Good Old Days’.
Hislop’s Rag? Seems to be the only real investigative journalism out there at the monent…
There is a difference between what is in the public interest, and what the public might be interested in…
182. applause. is that your own quote?
334, it’s my quote today, although I’m not the first person to have said something very similar.
The first place I saw something along those lines was the Ofcom guidelines for TV programmes about tabloid investigative journalism… The phrase stuck.
Tin, from the govt FoI legislation guidance, Chapter 3.6
http://www.foi.gov.uk/guidance/exguide/sec28/chap03.htm
“It is important to draw a clear distinction between what is in the public interest, and what the public are interested in“
It’s just one of those quotes that sticks, thanks for thinking it might have been my own work! It’s in several media and FoI rules and guidelines.
They are noth crap, Fink and da Times
Johann Hari is a pathetic disgrace to the profession.
Is this O/T, I dunno, just had six pints of stout and a bowl of nuts, thought I’d chip in anyway
Can you pop round, my house needs pebbledashing?
You’ll have the health police round. No ciggies??
must have been the nuts
They would appear perhaps, to have slightly more credibility, if the wrinkly prune was not still publishing tits on page three of his other organ!
I’m such an innocent as I always though the EDITOR wrote the leading article. You live and learn. I do enjoy the crosswords in Times 2 though.
The Beano summer special may be out soon.
they still use joined up writin though
Soren Kierkegaard wrote extensively on the destructiveness of anonymity in newspaper reporting – occasioned with his dispute with The Corsair. And that was back in the 1840s. A man truly ahead of his time.
He certainly was, the Corsair didn’t come out ’till the 60’s
My corsairs keep coming out each time I have a bath.
I agree. The Times’s disgraceful outing of NightJack reveals its hypocrisy, both in using anonymous leaders – on the Times’s own argument we have a right to know who writes them – and in using anonymous police sources. On my own blog, Head of Legal, yesterday I linked to ten Times/Sunday Times stories this year citing anonymous police sources, something the Times now believes is against the public interest. The Times would now, if it had any principles, both expose the sources of those stories and renounce the use of anonymous police sources in the future.
‘if it had any principles..’
From what I’ve just read, a boat that has not just sailed, but circumnavigated the globe a few hundred times, run aground, towed to the yard and broken for scrap.
I just see this as the new war – the traditional press against the bloggers.
They must be alarmed because of poor sales, the rise in internet media with contributions and the even greater rise of certain infamous bloggers. How else would the public have got hold of and been directly involved in the expense scam for instance? Not many of us would have written complaining letters to the Times me thinks?????
The traditional press have had their day. This is the beginning of their end.
What do you mean the beginning of their end – this is the middle section of their end.
They’re now fighting with dirt, in a hope that they can discredit and destroy the bloggers, when they lose that battle – it’s then game over. Professionally, dead men walking.
I haven’t bothered reading a tabloid newspaper – ever (even in school it was the Times), and the last newspaper bought – the Independent about 6 years ago.
Get what I want to know online. I’m frankly surprised that there are that many surviving newspapers today. I guess some like Sunday Mail survive and boost numbers by putting DVD’s in the mix, and there’re a few people who don’t have internet access.
My long-term guess is the surviving newspapers are going to be the Sun and the Sport – not too many guesses why.
“I agree. The Times’s disgraceful outing of NightJack reveals its hypocrisy, both in using anonymous leaders – on the Times’s own argument we have a right to know who writes them – and in using anonymous police sources. ”
Based on the failure of Night Jack to injunct his outing we have a right to name the writers if we know who they. It does not mean there can never again be anonymous publishing and it has nothing to do with sources.
The Times should also stop using unattributed quotes from politicians, if it is right that a blogger should lose his anonimity then so should the MP’s.
You’re in
This is a no-brainer
ZZZzzzzzzzzzz…………………………….
Is everybody missing the point here?
These comments are so into slagging everyone off we have lost sight of the fact that most of our MPs are thieving twats.
We should be organising ‘ a march’ ‘ a petition’ ‘a strike’ what has it come to that we are all pissing about trying to score points of each other and not stuffing it to the bastards.
Are there any French or Iranian bloggers on here?
You guys know how to organise a proper demo – 100,000 plus, motorways and ports blocked. We need our democracy back and those thieving hoons won’t give it us.
French demos are distgustingly self interested and after taxpayers money.
Block ports because you want the government to make more fish in the sea? Accept big subsidies so that you can buy a new boat … and errr…. then in a few years whinge like hell coz you can’t pay for it any more because the government didnt make any more fish.
They should learn to eat cheese and onion pies with their chips.
Waving placard won’t stop the thireving and lack of democracy.
Voting for any party other than the main ones will see them financialy ruined.
If they rig the ballot then the country simply refuses to pay tax, that will then end them.
it’s the last resort and it’s how the USSR was finaly brought down.
oh dear!
you must be new here and so I will outline the three golden rules:
1) this is just a blog.
2) people do not vote for sp@stics(brown), or midgets(mccain).
3) propaganda is the most powerful protest weapon.
I think that covers everything.
first lesson free.
Incidentally, a sub would have removed the frequent use of the word ‘incidentally’ from your copy.
maybe and also given the title ‘nothing to see here, let’s all move on’
some newspapers employ very young leader writers to pontificate
Indeed. I seem to recall a very young E. Balls was once employed to pontificate on the FT.
I thought I’d pick someone at random -Bercow (since he wants to be ‘above-reproach’ Speaker.
On one day before Dec 06, he claimed er… some amount of money for the purchase of something, … for somewhere…………. ?
There was more blackout than text (well, there basically was no text)
Looks like whoever put together these silly bits of paper is in contempt of court.
Click on Guido’s ’seen elsewhere’ 3rd link down. Cracking read
Is that Bercow having a sanitary towel removed from his boiler pump? As seen in comments DT http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5568064/MPs-expenses-What-have-you-spotted.html
That was our old friend Shahid… came back to one of his homes to find an overflowing lavatory… no data on what caused the blockage, but as he religiously (no pun intended) claims his full £400 a month on food perhaps he was overdoing the takeaways.
sorry, not concentrating properly, wrong thread…………
Those twats at LiberalCockup are full-on special needs.
I’m going to throw this out there….
Can I work for you Guido?
Set up a ”bloggers alliance” or Bloggers charity and then demanded government funding put yourself and Guido on the trust panel.
You’s will be millionaires in no time.
The CML has said that mortgage numbers fell a further 2 per cent in May, following a decline of 9 per cent the previous month.
It brings gross mortgage lending to just £10.3 billion, the second lowest level since the CML began its current series in 2000 and 58 per cent lower than this time last year.
If the CML only recorded data from 2000 onwards it has records just covering a very abnormal period of time when it comes to mortgages and the economy. The floodgates opened and liar loans were easy to come by. Given that many measures of the economy are reverting to pre-Labour levels and even the Bank of England wishes to return to a pre-Labour way of doing things, it’s a pity we can’t erase the last 12 years of war, pestilence, famine and death and begin again.
Tonnes of needless legislation. Further erosion of British sovereignty. Going to war because Tony had to support George Bush. Huge increases in Government taxation, spending, borrowing and interference in our daily lives. Destruction of our liberty. The ruination of a new generation through the ills of welfarism and hokey edukayshon policies. The ruination of an old generation by destroying pensions. The ruination of the working taxpayer with ever more taxes and ever more convoluted benefits and tax credits.
Funny, I saw a report earlier today that said the housing market was picking up. But then it was probably on Yahoo or similar so probably not worth the electrons that brought it to my screen.
Prrp!
Anybody got a story!……………………. then don’t give it to the fucking Times they might out you
Really why that’s then
You can tell it’s an M.P. – can’t get his apostrophe in the proper place! (Probably symptomatic of something…).
Incidentally, Guido wrote his first newspaper leader when he was 21 (for The Sun). As it happens it was on a topic about which the young Guido was pretty well informed and was in any case more of a polemic. It was re-worded by the great Ronnie Sparks who was the official leader writer at the time during the reign of Kelvin MacKenzie.
Freddie Starr ate my hamster?
That was a Kelvin headline if I am not mistaken….
Does this phrase make you want to bring up your dinner as much as it does me?
“The BBC is satisfied that his ( S’rallan) new role as an Enterprise Champion to the Government will not compromise the BBC’s impartiality or his ability to present The Apprentice.”
Says it all really. The fact that “enterprise champion to the government” and BBC presenter are not seen as a conflict shows that planet Beeb still has the NuLabour Mothership in orbit….time for a clearout….
BBC news snippet just after Eastenders (peak time viewing):
1. Nasty Tory Cameron says he will pay back £1000 of his expenses (no other MP mentioned)
2. Alan Sugar’s government role will not conflict with the BBC (‘cos we said so, so there)
3. Expect hotter summers and wetter winters – ‘cos of climate change, of course!
Short, on-message soundbites that require no complicated explanation for the viewers. Just accept it, be enslaved by it, and keep your taxes flowing…
And Dimblebore almost physically prevented Ken Clarke from rebutting Lord Falconer’s (another Labour peer) slur… BBC must get in its 10% quota of Labour propaganda per programme.
Interestingly, Labour’s tack now is to paint the Conservatives as B&P-lite at every opportunity — it won’t work.
Where’s Dolly?
I hear that there is an email doing the rounds with an unredacted copy of MP’s expenses attached. Please post here if you get one.
Would have to be a bloody big attachment.
Sounds like it would be right up Fondlebum’s wotsit.
[...] on when it was kicking off was the unmasking of Night Jack by The Times. But hey, since Guido’s kicked it back into play with his call for The Times leader writers to lose their anonymity I figure I can give my two cents [...]
This is boring journo stuff.
Maybe.
The point is this Government has spread its filth by anonymously tipping off friendly sources in the press.
They only want transparency & openness in blogging to identify enemies & enforce self censorship.
There is a deeper truth & logic at work here – & I find it sinister in a so called democracy.
Bleak.
Bleak? Oh yes you want to believe it is most certainly bleak alright.
More bleak then bleak usually gets, and no silver linings or lights at the end of even the longest of tunnels.
My advice is to try your best to look your children in the eyes, and wish you had payed more attention to the likes of myself. It would not have helped much, if at all, but at least you could now genuinely claim, to the hopelessly poor and eternally indebted child, it was not in anyway your own fault.
If it helps, please don’t blame yourself, because absolutely NONE of this is really our fault.
Just try your best in the future, to not trust anyone or anything to do with the establishment EVER AGAIN, under any possible circumstances.
I say, Atlas, old Chap: look, I know this shrugging is dashed hard work, and all that – must take up vast numbers of brain-cells! No, but really! Do you think, though, you could spare a milliwatt or so of the old juice for us poor Infinitives? You see, dash it, rather like The Atom – or “Sisters”, come to that – we don’t altogether care for being split.
And, quite by the bye, old bean – and not in the least in a complaining sort of way – could you keep remembering that, like the frightful hosts of Midian, circumstances (when they’ve finished a good lot of prowling) stand around: so ‘in the circs.’ makes more sense than ‘under’ the bally things. Frightful bore, and all that, I know, but then you can safely say ‘under; when it comes to conditions.
It just proves that the traditional media are finally getting properly scared. The best thing we can do is end-run this whole mass until it collapses under its own weight. Printed newspapers no longer serve any purpose (you can’t grep dead trees); and the organisations that produce them have no inherent advantage when it comes to internet-based news. I no longer read newspapers and I think it’s about time we all stopped – they are actually less reliable than blogs now! After all, what is a newspaper if not a self-published source? The difference being that the MSM have commercial interests to be biased about; bloggers, largely, don’t.
MPs expenses.
Reasons to be cheerful.
Aaahhhhhh.
Suck it up peasants.
I don’t remember hearing outrage over this.
Jack Straw claimed and got £7500 for a new boiler system.
http://mpsallowances.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/hocallowances/allowances-by-mp/jack-straw/Jack_Straw_0506_ACA.pdf
Page 16 and 17.
At that price he should have bought the company.
I thought a “new boiler” meant he had just got married.
Most surprised that the old commie did not bill us for his own personal Zil!
Sounds as if he was installing a system in the the County Council offices. In even a fair sized domestic hme he should have been able to do it for less than a third of that cost.
But then I’ve noticed this about lots of MP’s expenses. They are paying tradesman well over the odds for the work they are having done .
It is obvious that MP’s are regarded as a soft touch – not very discerning about the amount they pay for work done.
Not very comforting when you think they are responsible for spending the money in their Departments on our behalf.
How sure can we be that those were real tradesmen ?
So Fink is just a copy-taker then? Yep, I think he is.
At least Guido can save time and money not reading the Econmist!
Re The Times and Murdoch’s papers and tv stations: Murdoch has several papers in the UK and the Wall Street Journal in the States. Of course he will try and jump on the next bandwagon when he expects a different party to get into office. In the states M obviously could not have the wsj back Obama (Barack for Gordon in his interviews), so he had the UK Times back Obama to pave the way for a curteous relationship with the most likely new government.
PS Brown and his government did hinder Murdoch after he acquired his ITV stake. Maybe it will be the only courageous act of Brown as PM.
No, they only made it LOOK like they were hindering him. In fact by allowing Murdoch to drag the matter through every court in the land, and europe, he’s buying valuable time, watching ITV wither on the vine because no-one else will touch it with a barge pole all the while Murdoch has his hands on 17% of its shares. Murdoch wants to prevent any large media company from taking over ITV and giving him competition – he succesfully stopped Virgin after all, and if that wasn’t anti-competitive, nothing is.
In case anyone missed it.
Dougie Alexander what a complete hoon.
http://mpsallowances.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/hocallowances/allowances-by-mp/douglas-alexander/Douglas_Alexander_0708_ACA.pdf
Page 31 and 32.
A new set of garage doors £420 and to reline and fit a new chimney £928.31
Pages 6-9 Bedding £550, dvd, tv, aerial system £1700, 48 element wideband aerial £155.
Nice if you can get it.
http://mpsallowances.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/hocallowances/allowances-by-mp/douglas-alexander/Douglas_Alexander_0607_ACA.pdf
Part 2
Page 36 “all repairs to outhouse” £350 WTF.
Page 24 – another set of garage doors £371, is he taking the mickey. Actually he’s claimed for this in 06 and again on 07 with the same excuse, wood rotted away.
I tried to post on this earlier – fucking hoon has claimed 27 grand on improving his big hoose in the last 4 years – while we pay his mortgage and bills.
Aaahhhhh.
Socialism introduced via climate change regulation and legislation.
Aaahhhhh.
Computer models – dont you love it when the garbage in garbage out gives you the answer you wanted?
Aaaaaahhhh.
Suck it up peasants.
If anyone mentions climate change ask them if they’ve read the Manhattan declaration, 114 climate scientists saying that greenhouse gases causing climate change is a load of old bollocks (in a more refined and scientific way)
Just an extract –
“That there is no convincing evidence that CO2 emissions from modern industrial activity has in the past, is now, or will in the future cause catastrophic climate change.
That attempts by governments to inflict taxes and costly regulations on industry and individual citizens with the aim of reducing emissions of CO2 will pointlessly curtail the prosperity of the West and progress of developing nations without affecting climate.
That adaptation as needed is massively more cost-effective than any attempted mitigation, and that a focus on such mitigation will divert the attention and resources of governments away from addressing the real problems of their peoples.
That human-caused climate change is not a global crisis.”
Find it at http://www.climatescienceinternational.org
Human activity has a large effect on a local ecosystem. Thats proven beyond a doubt. Human activity can also have an effect on larger ecosystems. Look at any region turned to desert by farming and deforestation. To think that then larger scale human activity would not have an effect on the large ecosystem of the world is a little silly.
However we need to understand what the effects will be. Thats pretty hard, usually we figure these things out by doing them and having the survivors figure it out, evenutally. Thats going to be pretty brutal on a global scale…
At least if we do get an enviromental armageddon we wont have to worry about MPs expenses anymore, so that’s one up side at least.
The Times have disgraced themselves in this action ! What utter Hypocricy.
Boycott NOW !
I don’t buy it anyway.
the times is a piece of shit.
tatty rag.
the times editorial was the only one to push the brown line and so the editor is therefore guilty of conspiring to cover up the war crimes committed by members of the new labour war party, brown and blair included, in the build up and during the Iraq invasion and occupation.
gordon brown wanted a private inquiry to be heard. GUILTY.
let us speak openly: gordon brown is a fucking war criminal suspect.
he still wants to have the inquiry held by the civil service, but the civil service collaborated with the new labour war party and therefore it is inappropriate and unacceptable for any of its members to be involved in the Iraq Inquiry.
note to gordon brown: this is all very, very stinky stuff gordon. YOU GUILTY C’UNT.
no subpoenas and if the contributors do turn up there is no need for them to tell the truth as there is no oath taken.
fucking desperate stuff gordon(war criminal) you’ve fucking had it now you c’unt.
if it were up to me you would be dangling by now.
CIA can’t help you now.
oh well.
Perhaps newspapers should be included in the Freedom of Information Act, they are very keen on openness, transparency etc so they could set an example and say they will voluntarily comply with the FOIA if not then I am sure there are plenty of MPs who would enjoy extending the act to include them.
Many newspapers take great pleasure if calling for the salaries of BBC staff to be published so why should this not also apply to people writing columns in newspapers (often the same people).
Yes and while we’re at it lets reveal newspaper Editors who carry out illicit affairs so we can judge their moral probity as they pontificate about others. Fairs Fair !
What about wankers like Andrew Marr and his affair?
I’ve known Andrew Marr for over Twenty years and Polly Toynbee and other family members.
Biased interviews and commentaries about me?? WHAT GIVE YOU PEASENTS THAT IDEA.
The subtle difference between newspapers and the bBC is that we have to ‘buy’ the bBC. I tfollows that their wage structure/spending etc. should be as transparent as that of the MPs (yes, I know Mps can’t even spell transparent) as both derive all of their income from the taxpayer. The dead tree press however do not. Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be more accountable though.
One of the funniest things I saw on TV was when the press were hassling Princess Diana. One programme put a cherry picker outside one of the editor’s house and pointed a camera through his first floor window. They also doorstepped another editor with lots of photographers outside as he and his wife went to work in the morning. Both complained to the police but the police just thought it was a great joke and left them to get on with it.
Don’t you think the massive over reaction after her death – although it might have come from people themselves – was over-reported by the very people who should have felt the most guilt about her death.
Personally I wasnt really bothered before or after.
Loved Keef’s (Richard) remark about his feelings upon Diana’s death…
“Dunno, never met the chick”.
The only sane person in Britain or so it seemed to me at the time.
Murdoch has had his chance, he has vacillated too long on Brown and we are sick of him sitting on the fence. Fuck him he’s finished!
Ruperts only the front man or pawn of a bigger global scheme going on.
It’s those fucking lizards again
Yeah, I’m sure he’s shitting himself.
Christ we paid for David Millibands path and boundary wall as well. How nice for him.
http://mpsallowances.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/hocallowances/allowances-by-mp/david-miliband/David_Miliband_0708_ACA.pdf
Page 28/29/30 £5838 for replace boundary wall and lay block paving and remove his bloody tree.
I’m furious.
http://mpsallowances.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/hocallowances/allowances-by-mp/david-miliband/David_Miliband_0607_ACA.pdf
Page 16
Why did Milliband charge the taxpayer the £499 product fee for replacing his mortgage the cheek of it.
Because he’s worth it!
Ok this is hilarious.
Milliband claimed his Council tax from Apr 06 to March 07 and got a 50% discount as the “property was empty”. So why was all the repairs gardening and such done to the building that year.
http://mpsallowances.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/hocallowances/allowances-by-mp/david-miliband/David_Miliband_0607_ACA.pdf
Page 36.
Surely thats illegal. Claiming for a 2nd home , furniture, repairs and gardening and cleaning but also claiming to the council its “empty.
It was all within the rules.
its coz he a fuckin thief
If there was furniture in it he should have been paying full rates – if there was no furniture in it he shouldn’t have been claiming it as one of his homes because it clearly wasn’t.
Either way he’s in the wrong.
actually, looking right back, David Milliband has claimed 50% discount for “empty property” for the last 4 years.
So how can that be his second home.
He’s got a major problem here.
send pizzas
Can anyone tell me this :
If this bunch of crooks claim all this stuff on expenses, what the hell do they spend their salaries on ?
Rent boys and girls.
We dissaprove because we’re just jealous.
Speak for yourself.
I bumped into Alistair Campbell today. He’s shitting himself at the possibility that the Iraq inquiry may be held in the open.
In that case I hope you didn’t bump into him from behind.
Just saw Major on C4 news. Very sensible. Also raised the possibility of “reprimands for those who behaved badly” Hopefully he means some form of criminal action for the UK warlords.
Christ, I even wish Major was PM now.
Why thank you countryman and friend, I would like to thank you all for lending me your ears and taking me into your hearts and making me PM in days gone by.
I would like to remind you all; I did indeed call my cabinent members ”a bunch of wankers” in public and stand by it to this day.
It’s such a pity that bastard Blair got in and pissed all my hard work up the wall.
Is Norma talking to you yet?
Who ordered the killing of David Kelly?
Whether he was killed or committed suicide – there is no doubt that Blair and Campbell were responsible – they were trying to discredit the fact that he had told the truth about WMD and they had told a lie to take us into the war.
RIP Dr Kelly. You and your truth are carved in history now and you won’t be forgotten.
CIA.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488667/Why-I-know-weapons-expert-Dr-David-Kelly-murdered-MP-spent-year-investigating-death.html
“Have you got blood on your hands, Mr. Blair?”
He sure looked scared when he was told about it on the plane in Japan — shitting himself. The Hague for you Tony, if they can’t get you for 100,000 Iraqis they can for Dr Kelly.
I read all the Hutton inquiry evidence, and there was a short 4 minute mobile phone call 15 minutes before Dr. Kelly set off for his walk. Although all the other calls were reconciled, this last one wasn’t. Was it an arrangement for a meeting or a threat which drove him over the edge?
Wasn’t it Campbell who invented the lie about the WMD?
Brown is using the Iraq inquiry as a threat against Blair, although Campbell’s neck is on the line too.
He’ll claim another breakdown to avoid attending.
send him to nets
A good source for info is informationclearinghouse.info
Keep the pressure on thankyou
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Change hands!****
A job in my company is now regarded as one of the most secure jobs in the planet. It is now cheaper to eat in any my establishments around the world than any other established food franchise.
Thank you Gordon Clown for making it all possible.
DA DA DA DA DAAAAAAAAAAAAA I’M LOVING IT.
oi you burgers shite they keep me up all night ya hoon
At least you’re not breaking the terms of your tagging order.
hey i off the peadlos now
University Grads breast fed on CNN and Fox, who dont even hold a passport, robotically spew pre-concieved learning mechanisms about Iran and the Middle East everyday. One only has to look at the valiant peolple of Iran stand up to corruption to see that the image of a malleable faceless Western hating hoard is just a lot of bull. The real Iran and their people need to be understood
I think they’re more bothered about the mad mullahs running amok in their own country causing trouble as mentioned in todays DM than what’s going on overseas.
Good luck to the Iranian people though least they got the balls to act with more than just comments.
You’re right, they are more comcerned with their owm country, which makes them different from a country like the United States. They are also proud Muslims who think secular, much like Turks, but nevertheless hold their religion close to their hearts. I live in the Middle East, have been to Iran on occasion… all I can say is people just dont get it….
Guido wrote a LEADER?
More like
“16 year old Natasha gets her tits out whilst considering Keynesian theory”
She was probably also sucking a pencil and wearing glasses
can i claim for it ?
Easy: Glasses and pencil go on ‘Office’ Additional Costs; 16-year old= ’secretarial assistance’ (Office…) – ditto ‘Keynesian Theory’(look up Keynes on Amazon, and charge for one or two books appropriately: don’t get them, for heavens’ sake!).
Getting her tits out…took a minute or two to think about this: lack of bra?= ‘Secretarial support, Rigby & Peller… £nnn’
In America NightJack’s outing was reported thus:
“A Rupert Murdoch Newspaper helped to out a blogger who was reporting the kind of news and opinion that they cannot. And he was pulling a readership that the Murdoch newspapers would kill for. This is called killing the competition with Lawyers.
Rupert Murdoch journalists are trying to do the same to anonymous bloggers in Australia because they are too critical of the Murdoch media in Australia”
(allamericanblog.com)
Anonymity is a good thing and we should be fighting to protect it.
so we like iran eh fookin nazis in parliment we lost the war
No Freddie – We’ve lost the battle – the war is still to win.
i wish the queen would send em to the tower
Zzz
Andrew Neil sent me this missive
Rupert Murdoch may indeed be a Hoon
But he ,like myself , has some top Asian Totty and a pile of cash.
Sadly (for him)its more likely to be him sucking clay first.
Then Im going to fuck Wendy up the arse.
ANDREW
How the fuck did that foul mouthed kunt get where he is?
that was ben bradshaw
By the way – love the advert.
If Hula Hoops will put themselves up for election next time around I think they will be far superior to most of the current shabby crowd and I will happily vote for them!!!!
only the beefie ones
That cheeky twat Andrew Neil has E-mailed me again
“Mr Beast
I fail to see what your problem is.
Yes I dye my hair and prefer to shag Asian women
SO WHAT?”
nowt wrong with a asian
Is that a hairstyle? Like a Brazilian?
You want to see if your MP has given some of our cash back? It’s up on the parliament webshite now, according to backstabbing, tame Murdoch broadsheet, The Times.
Not good enough by a long shot as far as I’m concerned. We want real payback.
Well, I do at any rate.
I’ve been out of the loop all day (can’t access this at work very often – I presume because of all the swearin’ and cursin’ and etc etc) but… (OT, sorry) when will we get the outcome of the Blears showdown?
Oh, just heard *talks to self* about 9ish.
http://twitter.com/#search?q=hazel%20blears
I’ll talk to you – try this link.
Rupert Murdoch is asking through the Brunswick Review whether David Cameron is going to be the new Thatcher because the UK needs less government and freer markets.
I don’t disagree but I think the more pertinent question is what is Dave going to do about curbing Murdoch’s power and influence in the UK?
I want to see an opposition leader with spunk!
Murdoch has power and influence, but is carrying a lot of debt
Advertising revenue continues to fall, he will be moderated by the market
Hi Guido, I just got in from Swindon where I went spotting for the day. I had cheese sandwiches with just a hint of Branston, in fact I never eat anything else when I’m out. This is swiftly followed by a Bounty bar and a can of Dr Peppers.
I’d just like to say, this a cracking post. More like this in future please.
Heaven is a Guido Fawkes night and a box of Thorntons Chocolates.
The current nihilistic anti-politics atmosphere on this blog is, sadly, largely founded on ignorance and hypocrisy. Don’t you realise that politicians do a very difficult job and that most of you don’t understand what you’re talking about – you probably haven’t even run a business let alone a country.
The Tories and the BN_P have exploited this general apathy to make gains at the recent elections. People must realise that these protest votes do not offer any long-term hope for the future.
Only Labour will stand up for the little people. We are the party of the many; the Tories are the party of the few. We stand for investment; the Tories will cut 10% of public services.
The choice is clear.
Put that script down and tell me what you really think.
At least I know what I think – I don’t need the Daily Mail to tell me!
You’re assuming I’m a rightwinger because I’m not a leftwinger, you (typical of either) muppet. Go on though – really – what DO you think? (Really). Because to believe that tosh you’d have to be thick as shit.
er, I think you might be retarded but I haven’t quite made my mind up yet.
That’s rich, coming from mr wankalot.
crack blog,
why have you posted under the different name of kinnochio?
very strange.
are you bi-polar?
Arctic terns are bi-polar
I didn’t. You’re paranoid.
I think you did as well dack blog.
Kinnochio has never appeared on this blog before, well not until tat had a pop at you and then surprise surprise up you pop with a different name.
And now you are accusing tat of being paranoid you nutter.
You’re a bloody weirdo!
I’m sure I’ve seen ‘kinnochio’ before. Sometimes I find myself agreeing with him – so ‘retarded’, ‘bi-polar’, ‘nutter’ and ‘bloody weirdo’ may well be justified.
By ‘him’ I meant tat. Not my supposed other persona.
You abolished the 10% tax rate which was for the little people
They set the threshold for 50% tax at £150,000 so that Labour MPs would not be hit by it. SOme of them are “little people” like Blears for instance. Little person; big bank balance.
Only Labour will stand up for the little people
That is so incredibly patronising as well as devious.
Blears should be ok then.
I don’t give a toss about leprechauns, its Mr & Mrs Cortina driver I care about. I know mine won’t get through the MOT and what with my pension I can only dream of becoming a Sierra man
I am very pleased to hear that news.
If I was a Britonian I would vote New Labour.
Well Harriet is clearly incapable of running a country and I sure as hell wouldn’t let her loose on running a company even a one-person company – because she would fail.
Her man management skills are negligible – her speech delivery is shrill and off putting, she is completely lacking in marketing skills and as a product she is unattractive and repellant.
Hope that says it all.
1. By referring to her as “Harriet” instead of her proper title Ms. Harman
2. By using the sexist term “man management”
3. By calling her “shrill”
4. By focussing on her physical appearance – “unattractive”
You are a male chauvinist pig, a Neanderthal, and an utter disgrace. if Guido doesn’t ban you then I will personally write to Labourlist and get them to expose you.
I find Harriet Harman “hot” and I have had many a wet dream over her.
She truly is “the thinking man’s crumpet”
Good Night
… and God bless (and have mercy on your soul).
I thought Harriet Harpy was a hemaephrodite?
Yes my man management skills are lacking which is why I would not have one about the place.
One person does not run a country. MPs do not run the country. The country runs itself because we have the institutions in place. You can put a monkey in charge (I think we already did) and it will tick along anyway.
Eventually the chickens will come home to roost but many years later. The damage done by Brown will manifest themselves throughout the next Tory administration for which they no doubt will get the blame.
Fuck off you twat, HarmanBot. Cutting and pasting slogans is the most futile thing you can do. Investment means trying to get a return on money, not just pissing it away on unaccountable quangos and consultants (see job ads in all Sunday papers).
And yes I have run a business – started from scratch – £500m profit tp date.
“The Tories and the BN_P have exploited this general…”
This is the eighth time I’ve heard this crap today… you Labour paid faux bloggers certainly sing from the same McBride hymn sheet don’t you?
Don’t you understand we are wise to this bullshit and know that you get into work and are given a list, ‘Mr. 10%’, ‘Link Tories to B&P’ etc., what a dull little life you must lead.
There is a choice between Labour which believes we must grow our way out of recession – and the Conservatives who have revealed that they would cut the vast majority of public spending by ten per cent.
What these cuts would mean…
Schools: The Tories are planning to take £5.1 billion out of education spending, the equivalent of losing 44,130 teachers, and 34,490 teaching assistants and school support staff.
Police: The Tories are planning to take £930 million out of the Home Office. Cutting police funding by the same 10 per cent as the rest of the Home office could see the loss of 15,000 police officers – exactly the number of extra police officers delivered from Labour’s record investment since 1997. That’s nearly 30 off the beat in every constituency across England.
University places: The Tories are planning 10 per cent across the board cuts for public spending. That could mean cutting the number of places available each year by 32,000.
Defence: The Tories are planning to cut 10 per cent from the defence budget – the equivalent of cutting 10,000 soldiers, and a further 8,000 members of the armed forces from the Navy and Airforce. That’s double the number of troops the UK has in Afghanistan.
Source: www
Source: http://www.labour.org.uk/david_cameron_mr_10_per_cent
“grow our way out – 10%”- endlessly on and on with stupid sound bites . When are you going to undertstand that Labour is discredited probably for a generation or more ahead!!!!
You are a parrot – reading from an old hymn sheet.
It’s called flogging a dead horse.
Oh, it’s on the Labour website – must be true then
There are far too many graduates for the available jobs so cutting places makes sense. Presumably they are the bottom 10 % being cut so that is sensible also. They’d only end up flipping burgers anyway with a thirty grand dept to pay off (since Labour removed the grant) so better they got a real job instead of studying for a degree in Meeja Studies or such other nonsense qualification.
When was the grant removed? I remember it being quite heavily means tested by the late 80s and student loans introduced in 1991.
What a surprise – Dave Cameron is to pay back the £947 that he wrongly claimed on expenses, bringing his total admitted misclaim to £1,627.
How dare this pamered Old Etonian lecture the rest of us about cuts in public spending when he and the rest of his Old Etonian elite wantonly spend thousands on wisteria, duckponds and moats?
This isn’t the Bullingdon Club you know, when Cameron and the rest of his upper-class snobs destroyed pubs and restaurants and paid for the money with daddy’s cash.
Now Cameron’s bow-tied, penguin-suited clique are intent on destroying the country and returning us to the dark days of Thatcherism, and leaving the poor taxpayer to foot the bill. Just as in their Bullingdon days, they will pay for their destruction with other people’s money.
Labour has always been the party of the many. We will stand up for the ordinary, hard-working citizens of this country. The Tories with their City pals are the party of the few. They will raise taxes and close schools and hospitals, in order to cut inheritance tax for the 3,000 richest families in Britain.
The Tories will make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
This is the same bullshit the Bolsheviks used to spout.
Labour is not the party of the many. Labour is the most devisive party ever spawned; it feeds on and perpetuates a culture of class war and envy because it is in its interests to do so.
We may be witnessing the death throes of socialism. The rest of the world has thrown off the shackles and I sincerely hope that this odious Party with its hypocritical nasty members is consigned to the dungheap of history where it and they belong.
Good fucking riddance and thanks for going.
Mick, if socialism is dying then why is Labour again rising in the polls?
You quote Bolshevism as it it’s self-evidently evil. But if any political philosophy is evil then it is the free-market capitalism of Thatcher and Reagan, which has been responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths around the world, from famine, poverty and global warming.
Capitalism is the greatest killer known to man. Under Labour we have restrained the unbridled greed and hubris of the bankers. Yes, we haven’t gone far enough in places. But there is still a lot of work to do. Only the State, democratically elected and run in the interests of the working person, can be trusted to run the country – not the greedy capitalists who ride roughshod over the common people.
Again you’re assuming that if someone isn’t a socialist to the marrow they must be a capitalist to the opposite extreme (though DM may well be, of course, only he can say). When will you realise that extremes don’t work?
why is Labour again rising in the polls
It’s know as the dead cat bounce. Labour’s fucked.
They certainly didn’t rise in the polls that counted did they? i.e. the local and EU ones.
Might I suggest that people are so desperate for an election, they’ll say anything to get one. I’m definitely voting Labour, honest. Happy now?
Staistically Labour have made the rich richer and the poor poorer. Social mobility has stopped under Labour.
Result; working class areas increasingly support the B&P because rich Labour voters with well-paid sinecures have nothing to offer the ordinary people of the UK.
New Labour : New Privilege
The Socialist elite feeds off a proletarian underclass. It has no vested interest in raising their lot.
Exactly Dr Mick. Labour are only interested in preserving opportunity for their own families and cliques.
That’s why, for example, they are opposed to grammar schools – these would enable others from less privileged backgrounds to improve the opportunities for their children through education.
Despite all their cant against ‘tory toffs’, Labour have since 1946 sought to destroy the aspirational working class and the so-called middle-class bourgeoisie – these seem to have been their true enemy.
All to preserve the self-selecting oligarchy of a chosen elite – the Morrison-Mandelsons, the Kinnocks, the Benns, the Goulds, the Booth-Blairs, and so on, ad nauseam…
Hey Harbitch Snide, you’re a bit like Norman Bates. I have to inform you that the old lady who used to be your mum is a rotting corpse sat on a rocking horse, and no amount of dressing up in her clothes and talking in her croaky old voice is gonna bring her back.
This old bird is deceased, dead, a stiff, shuffled off this mortal coil etc etc…….
Now fuck off.
Not rotting, mummified. Naughty Norman poisoned his mom and then stuffed the corpse.
Harman’s delusion of the commie utopia is nearer to the Hotel California than the Bates Motel:
You can check out any time you like but you can never leave.
I know ‘Call me Dave’ went to a well-known school near Slough: just remind me, isn’t Harriet Harman ‘a Paulina’? Writing “pamered” (=’pampered’?) suggests Harriet might not have done too well in English, and the easy slide from ‘upper-class’ to ’snobs’ indicates a lack of rigour in her thinking that suggests she would have been in a lower set for Classics: in my experience, the people most intensely aware of ‘class’ are the fairly-recently ennobled, the most relaxed, those of ancient lineage. The facile parallel of “daddy’s cash” with “other people’s money” indicates that she would have been well-advised not to pursue History, Economics, or almost any ‘A’ level course – although ‘Critical Thinking’ might be helpful to her, that is, if she can bend her little brain to either the ‘Critical’ part, or the ‘Thinking’ part of that subject.
Quite right. We must not reform the expenses system and keep on spending borrowed money manically!
Darling himself says he doesn’t know what his own baseline budget number is. Some help:
- stop the ID cards and the NHS computer save £ 8 billion
- stop the use of management consultants save over £ 1 billion per annum; £350 million spent last year on the NHS alone 78% had nothing to do with patient care ( source RCN )
- reform tax credits which waste over £ 3 billion per annum – most of it on fradulent claims
- stop reckless borrowing and save £ 10 billion on runaway interest bills.
- Labour have cut the army by 35,000 soldiers in their term while increasing the number of commitments – who really is sending our young people to die ?
10% ? why stop there ?
New Labour – No ideas , No Future
There’s no point in arguing with people like you.
You just don’t get it do you?
Go away then.
As someone who works in the public sector (do you? If not, what do you know?) we could cut 20% from the management/consultant budget, let us lot get on with the job… and the world would be a better place. So fuck off.
No fabs, you don’t argue, you cut and paste.
“people like him” … well he’s obviously not really keen on all sorts of tax spending. you’re surely trying to bridge a massive divide trying to debate with him at all … so what are you doing here?
Find somewhere closer to your point of view and they might try explaining that its best not to spend taxpayers money on useless shite.
Great! Hope so! Roll back the state! If I had my way we’d cut 20%.
We can’t spend what we don’t have. If Gordon Brown hadn’t bust the economy it would have to be quite so harsh – but we are where we are.
Don’t trust your allocations, but it may be worse once the Conservatives get to see Gordon’s well-cooked books.
The dregs of remaining socialists are going to squeal as their inefficient and incompetent client state is dismantled in front of their eyes.
Cut 20%? How many schools and hospitals would you close, you uncaring buffoon? How many jobs would you cut? How many old people would die, how many babies would be unfed, how many families would lose their homes?
I’m gonna cry in a minute.
How many useless managers in the nhs; local government; government offices of the regions; regional government; eu objectives programmes; numerous,nameless Quangos; could we get rid of????
And not even notice that they’ve gone!!!!
See my 248 Nell. Seconded.
Fucked up IT projects? You would notice they’d gone as things would improve.
No cuts to front line services, that’s the point. Like Canada we need to cut out the inefficiencies of the client state, and drive market-oriented reforms. More can be done with less.
The failed ideology of the left and centre-left has been progressively rejected by the people of Britain and Europe.
Did you see the Euro elections results? The people have spoken.
20% of M.P.s?
How much would that save?
The public sector growing quicker than the private sector is unsustainable and any government doing so are negligent.
Sure it makes people feel better in the short term, but it is irresponsible and ruinous.
There are now vast swathes of the country dependant on government jobs pais for by the private sector. We need to restore the balance.
They should economise on all the pathetic projects and non-jobs, protect frontline services but not grow them until we have the correct balance restored.
I think you were the twat that siad Cameron would takes us back to the bleak days of Thatcher cuts. We are heading that way, but it was Blair and Brown that brought us here pal.
Nell @259, agreed. Every time some form of monetary control is mentioned in relation to education, health etc., ZNL start spouting ‘figures’ on how many teachers, nurses or plod that will be cut. They must realise that it is the unfettered spending on management and consultants that is diverting our taxes away from frontline services. As to H_M’s comments on CMD claims, surely Millibands ‘empty’ second home claims put those into a similar perspective to the management/consultant spending we’ve witnessed under these fools?
Had a close look at Wee Doogie Alexander`s claims. He is an expensive wee hoon – has spent over 26 Grand over the last few years just doing up his big hoose.
That is in addition to us paying his mortgage, utilities, cooncil tax, insurance etc.
He has also claimed nearly 7 Grand for food during the same period – plus his “office” in Paisley which costs over 25 Grand a year to run, apparently…
Rantzen is on Question Time later. (Plus Lord Falconer, Kenneth Clarke, Edward Davey and Polly Toynbee). Maybe she’ll have a genetailian root vegetable in her handbag to appeal to the masses and lighten the mood.
Let’s hope so. We could do with a bit of mood lightening.
Or mood lighting, in Rantzen’s case (sorry – is that sexist)?
Does that mouthy bitch want electing at some point in the near future or something? Perhaps her dodgy claims advert isn’t pulling in the punters.
Urgh. Rantzen and Toynbee. I may have to kick in my tv again.
Go away you sexist Troll.
If it helps I find many a male MP gagworthy. It’s just that we gals don’t feel the need to fall back on the easy option of berating them for… well. Just being men.
‘Fabian Pride’ is clearly ‘Charles Hardwidge’.
I don’t claim my £5. I want to see those citations for ‘graphics fidelity’ (that you claim to have invented Charles), and I want to see them now!
It’s almost as if you have no credibility…
We’ve been through this before, Fabian/Harman/Hardwidget/Draperbot loony: you CAN’T call people sexist because you support John Prescott, who is a serial adulterer and abuser of women using his position of power to win sexual favours.
If you support him then you are a sexist.
YOU ARE A SEXIST, FABIAN/HARMAN/HARDWIDGET/DRAPERBOT. Get that through your kevlar skull and then, hypocrite, fcuk off.
Yeah, I can just imagine her nibbling on a carrot, and it’s not very nice.
Hmmm, Beckett or Rantzen. Beckett or Rantzen?
I’ll have £20 each way on Rantzen please Mr Bookmaker.
Ann Widdecombe.
Her most recent claims have been reasonable to the point of parsimonious.
She seems to like staying in the odd cheap hotel or B&B in the £65 – £85 per night range, but the total cost of these stays is a third to a half of the average MP’s mortgage costs. Many of her hotel receipts have items crossed out by her such as the cost of food.
In one 2005 letter she informed the fees office that she had overpaid various utility companies, and then subtracted the overpayments from her total. How many other MP’s would have done that?
As an interim Speaker she seems the cleanest of the lot so far.
Link
It must be difficult to keep your moral compass calibrated properly when you are working in a den of thieves. Maybe there is something in this religion malarkey after all.
Good because I have been hearing that John Bercow is the hot favourite.
Bercow’s claim of £1200 for a new bog because some idiot put a Tampax down the old one means he isn’t suitable for the job.
Of all of them (and it is like choosing a method of execution) I think I’d go for Widders. At least she’s a character.
You have probably just killed her chances. Labour MP’s won’t vote for someone who is honest.
Widdecombe is a reactionary dinosaur whose Thatcherism and anti-progressive policies on abortion and same-sex marriage are outmoded and out of place in vibrant 21st-century Britain!
Er, I think you mean a vibrating 21st-Century Britain. I expect the silly, opinionated cow has an extensive collection and buys her AA-cells in bulk from Viking (charging us for them, of course).
I think s/he meant ’stagnant’.
You are a Prescott-supporting, sexist hypocrite, Draperbot. Show yourself out.
The fact she is honest counts for nothing then?
Widdy all the way!
She’s Thatcher minus the sex appeal.
You wouldn’t want to wake up with her,but she would sort out a cracking brekkie.
If you put Camilla Cavendish in the little white box on The Times page you will find I have nominated her Patron-Saint of commonsense, This reporter can do no wrong in my eyes esp on Family Law Matters!
Ed Balls MP, Labour’s Schools Secretary, today welcomed new figures showing record numbers of young people are staying in education or training, but warned that thousands of young people would be abandoned by the Tories.
Figures published today show that the proportion of young people aged 16-18 who are participating in education or training reached 79.7 per cent – the highest ever rate.
Under Labour’s September Guarantee every 16 and 17 year old who wants to stay in learning will get a guaranteed and paid for place in school, college, training or an apprenticeship.
But the Conservatives have refused to match the guarantee or the £655m of additional funding announced by the Chancellor in the Budget to allow 55,000 more young people to stay in education this year and next.
Ed Balls MP, Labour’s Schools Secretary, said:
“I’m proud that this government’s investment and reforms have resulted in record numbers of young people staying in learning and getting the skills they need to succeed in the future.
“But with today’s figures also confirming a more difficult jobs market for young people during the recession, we must do even more in the coming months. That’s why our September Guarantee of a place in education, training or an apprenticeship for every 16 and 17 year old who wants one is so important.
“If the Tories want an honest debate about spending, they should explain why they refuse to match our guarantee or our investment in young people. If the Tories were in charge 55,000 young people would be denied a place in learning this year and next year.
“Cutting investment in training and apprenticeships for young people in the middle of a recession is economic madness. Unlike the Tories we won’t repeat the mistakes of the past by abandoning a generation of young people.”
New Labour ; Newspeak
Dumb the nation down to Balls level
When does he go on Big Brother ?
FFS, go back to Labourlist where they love this sort of soviet shit speak…..you boring cυnt
Harriett Harman has interesting expenses:
16 page 4 colour annual report – 130gsm coated – 15000 copies – £3000
Newsletter – 10000 copies – £350.00
Advertising in the Southwark News – £223.25
Pensioners Centre Mailing – £201.00
A4 leaflet – 4 colour – 30,000 copies – £800.00
A4 Parliamentary Report – 45,000 copies – £1100.00
and on, and on , and on, who are these thousands of people to whom she is sending her leaflets and reports???
What a great self publicist she is , and all at taxpayers expense!!!!
Just think what the unemployment figures would be if we didnt keep retards in education education education.
If you want to get a point across, be concise.
No one is interested in reading this Fidel Castro style drivel.
Excellent post, Harman_Pride. Most Tories send their pampered children to elitist public schopls anyway, so why should they care about the state sector?
How many schools will the Tories close? The real reason, of course, is that the ruling class don’t want the workers to have a decent education, so they don’t rock the boat and challenge the status quo. The Tories and their allies in the MSM want to perpetuate the chronic inequality and discrimination in our society so they can keep all the money for their own families.
While they sit in their moat-rimmed mansions, sipping champagne in their luscious acres of woodland, the ordinary working person is struggling to feed her/his family, and losing their jobs and their homes.
Please would you kindly refrain from using my name tag in your propaganda.
All NuLabour send their pampered children to elitist public schools in preparation for dynastic rule.
Grammar schools were the working class’s window of opportunity but were firmly closed shut by Shirley Williams.
Yup
Jack Straw and his mates climbed the social ladder and pulled it up after them.
Thatcher closed more.
Bullshit.
Wedgie Benn closed more pits than Thatcher – FACT.
your article should finish ” as a result of Labour’s policies”
Whats the collective term for a group of Prides?
This is cuttee pastee stuff, regurgitating all the pap that Nulabour wannabe troughers soak up every day to the point that some of them actually believe it on their joruney to cushy safe labour seat, two houses, expense, fuck all to except bullshit in front of the public.
Thank fuck they’ll be gone forever in a year’s time.
FOREVER, for they will not even make second place.
Chronic “Whats the collective term for a group of Prides?”
A Soho?
246 ‘A Mother of…’?
Hey, thankings yous very muchness for your british jobs not for british workers type new deal. I tell all my friend in migrant land to come and suck on british cockney prides. It right things to do, and we all is gettings on with your jobs.
Have you visited Ireland, I here its nice this time of year.
Ah, the politics of envy.
Despite ‘record numbers staying in learning’ 1 in 6 young people under 25 are now unemployed.
The young have such poor prospects under Labour that you are raising the school leaving age from 16 to 18 to keep them out of the unemployment figures
And businesses, weighed down by the double burden of recession and over-regulation, are loth to take on new staff. Thousands of small businesses now only employ close family members, to avoid the pitfalls which over-regulation of the labour market brings. Larger businesses are currently dealing with the havoc caused by the new flexible working laws.
All in all, there is no way you will stop unemployment hitting 3 million
How does it feel, to have had an unassailable majority for 12 years, and to have achieved precisely
NOTHING
Nothing? Really?
* Under Labour we have had the longest period of sustained low inflation since the 1960s, the lowest interest rates since the 1960s and the highest levels of employment since records began
* The second highest employment rate and GDP per head of the G7
* Inflation rates have averaged less than half their rates between 1979 and 1997 in the past decade, even after recent unforeseen shocks.
* There are approximately 430,000 more VAT registered businesses now than in 1997, and 350,000 more self-employed people
* Over the last 12 years, the incomes of the poorest 20 per cent of the population have grown faster than the richest 20 per cent.
* 600,000 children have been lifted out of poverty
* New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work
* Cut number of young people making long-term unemployment claims by over 75 per cent
* By 2011 we will have seen the longest sustained expansion of investment in public services since 1945
* In 2008, a record 800,000 businesses benefited from the local Business Link service and one million businesses a month benefited from its award-winning web portal on business support simplification and measures to ensure better access to Government procurement for small firms
* In 2009, the administrative burden on business of regulation will be reduced by almost 20 per cent making it easier and cheaper for businesses of all sizes to grow
* By 2010 we will be spending over £6 billion a year supporting British science and innovation, up from £1.3 billion in 1997
* Reducing the main rate of Corporation Tax to 28 per cent will deliver its lowest ever rate in the UK and the lowest in the G7, improving competitiveness and encouraging investment.
* Because we are serious about our commitment to eradicating child poverty, in 2010 new lone parents on income support will be required to seek work once their youngest child is seven, backed up by the local availability of high-quality wrap around child care.
and black is the new white
Dear Labour.org.uk if you really think that posting this shite will help you win the next general election ( which you are running scared off) then you are sadly mistaken. On the contrary these postings are actually making you even more of a laughing stock than you were before which is no mean feat. In summation keep up the good work you shower of losers !
Because we are serious about our commitment to eradicating child poverty, in 2010 new lone parents on income support will be required to seek work once their youngest child is seven
Ha!
You’ve created an underclass of chavs and scrotes who can barely read and write let alone work. It is an effort for these fatarses to get the pushchairs out onto the street to waddle down to Saisnburys to load up on microwave chips, crisps, chocolates, pop, booze and fags and waddle back in time for Jeremy Kyle.
Serious my arse.
Serious about lying through yor teeth, telling people what you think they want to hear so that you can keep your cushy jobs more like.
Your days are numbered. Someone else will have to clean up your shite as always.
So how come 2.3 million people are unemployed?
Fabian is snide,
I would just like to wrap this rope around your neck.
Child poverty UP!
Gap between rich and poor UP!
Tax liability for lowest earners UP!
Quality of services provided by councils DOWN!
Cost of council tax charged UP!
Number of council houses built DOWN!
Number of wars and occupations UP!
The country would clearly be better off if the New Labour War Party had not been elected in 1997.
Do you swallow? Labour propaganda rubbish that is. Sorry to disappoint.
You are a Labour troll with no brain of your own.
You are posting propaganda, written by someone with no brains and no respect for anyone else.
I have heard countless Labour people using the exact words you have written.
Everybody, and I mean everybody, knows that Brown is lying about Labour spending plans.
And so are you.
“Ed Balls MP, Labour’s Schools Secretary, today welcomed new figures showing record numbers of young people are staying in education or training, but warned that thousands of young people would be abandoned by the Tories.
Figures published today show that the proportion of young people aged 16-18 who are participating in education or training reached 79.7 per cent – the highest ever rate.
Under Labour’s September Guarantee every 16 and 17 year old who wants to stay in learning will get a guaranteed and paid for place in school, college, training or an apprenticeship.”
Ha ha ha you lying commie Draperbot. Further education training is in financial crisis due to the serial fuck ups of Balls and his bought and paid for apparatchiks in Britain’s biggest quango, the LSC (budget £12bn ffs!). Due to Labour’s incompetence, college’s are being left half built as we speak, and there isn’t enough money to deliver the promised training programmes. Even the BBC has exposed this incompetence – shocking stuff.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8101019.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/file_on_4
The only issue I have with the “campaign” is ‘why’?
The paper is crap, easily outshone by The Sun for content and news reporting
Leave it to wither and die, and stop kicking the soon to be departed
…and will we get a constant drip drip of autobiography as we head for the summer recess?
I new Ed Balls before he became a twat, he was a twat then to.
Of course the sweet thing is he’s gonna fuck Brown up again by advising him to go with this Mr. 10% bollocks.
Mandy must be livid.
Who actually is in charge? It is too much like the Russian Federation: Medvedev or Putin; Mandy or Gordy?
I think the British Public has a right to know.
The Mr. 10% is working. Most of the British electorate can’t be bothered to investigate the details of the parties’ respective spending plans.
All they will remember is the PM’s refrain: the Tories are the party of the few, Labour the party of the many. The Tories will cut public spending, Labour will increase investment. The Tories will help the 3,000 richest families with inheritance tax, Labour will help hard-working families with real help now.
It’s called politics darling. That’s the “big clunking fist” that Tony Blair meant.
Blairs ? Kinnocks ? Woodward?
Labour are the 3,000 richest families.
You clearly hope the electorate are stupid . Your desperation is obvious.
The electorate seems to have woken up.
It’s called lying.
It’s called deceit.
It’s called dishonesty.
It’s called stupidity.
It’s called committing electoral suicide.
Gideon “George” Osborne wins the prize for “Most Ironic Claim”.
In 2005, the troughing Tory £47 for two copies of a DVD of his own speech on ‘Value for Taxpayers Money’.
How more out of touch can the Tories be? Moats, duckponds and now this?
Nonetheless they will be in power a year today.
Bottom line mate, and the twat just doesn’t get it does he?
Dead men clutching at straws.
Hung parliament pinnochio.
No big victory for the tories I’m afraid.
Surely you must be aware by now that David Cameron is a housing benefit cheat?
Try to keep up dullard, events have moved on.
No they won’t.
It’ll be Cameron.
I agree. They all need taking out and shooting.
Why has Harriet been dressing as a giraffe in recent days ?
Maybe a safari is in order ?
Harriett of course with her vast advertising budget running into several thousands, at taxpayer expense, annual reports, 30,000 leaflets, leaflets to pensioners, advertising in local newspapers , believes she is connected to the electorate?????
Dream On!!!!
And why should we, the taxpayer , be forced to fund this blatant self-publicity?
Because she’s worth it!
Who walked around her constituency under a police escort in a stab proof vest?
Surely the most ironic claim is for Gordon Brown’s ironing.
“We deserve to know who the authors of a leader are so we can judge with what authority they write and weigh their words accordingly.”
Sure, no way you should have to actually, like, think about what you are reading, whether it makes any sense, whether the arguments are valid, whether the evidence supports the conclusion. Nope, you should just be able to look at the byline and see if it was written by someone with “authority”.
Can Guido really be this stupid? Say it ain’t so.
Ive read your post and it does not make any sense, your arguments dont seem valid, plus there does not seem any evidence to support your conclusion.
It’s not about who the author is, but about what their affiliations are.
Guido? Craft the words?
Pull the other one, mate. Your writing ability is somewhere between 2 and 3 out of 10. You only learned how to use apostrophes the other week.
Guido wrote for the Sun.
What do you expect?
A nice pair of tits on page 3.
The Sun has supported New Liebore for the past 3 elections hasn’t it? So you’re right, it’s readers are fucking thick.
And Gordon Brown wrote for The Sun, too, I think?
Yes, but he also has an IQ of 180, which is even greater than mine (175) – and probably 3 times your IQ.
I know a bloke who has an IQ even higher – he also has Asperger syndrome. Just saying.
I doubt Brown could spell IQ
Idiot Quotient (one eyed scottish)
A Sun reader’s vote is as valuable as a Guardian reader.
Blair managed to seduce both.
Both hate Brown.
Brown hates both.
The I.Q. thing is a myth that only people with a low I.Q. believe. I.Q. is weighted by age and I scored 100% in a MENSA I.Q. test and scored less than 180 and I am younger than GB. Proves it’s spin for the challenged.
Last week Broon’s IQ was quoted as 150. Where does this extra 20% come from all of a sudden? Drugs?
If IQ made a good PM then we should immediately install Stephen Hawkins abd kick out the thicko Broon.
would you prefer that he wrote spook sex letters and stories like A Campbell?
Cure to voter apathy found !
After a conversation with Simon Cowell, Gordon Brown has decided to model future elections on a telephone vote. “ This is not a showbiz gimmick “ said Piers Morgan soon to be knighted as Lord Whopper of Pout. The new format will be called “ Labour’s got Talent “. Labour is now desperately looking for talent. Suggestions includes:
- Lord Peter and his cabinet of performing puppets
- Stato Brown – marvel as he twists accurate statistics into any shape
- Geraldine Smith and her talking rectum
Party managers say all other ideas are gratefully received
How about Jayyyyyyyyyyddddddddddeeee Goooooooodeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyy for cha lady?
Vote Labour….get a free plasma TV, all paid for by future generations
Gordon Brown’s the Comeback Kid. Mr. 10% is working. Most of the British electorate can’t be bothered to investigate the details of the parties’ respective spending plans.
All they will remember is the PM’s refrain: the Tories are the party of the few, Labour the party of the many. The Tories will cut public spending, Labour will increase investment. The Tories will help the 3,000 richest families with inheritance tax, Labour will help hard-working families with real help now.
It’s called politics darling. That’s the “big clunking fist” that Tony Blair referred to.
Still a year to go – worried Toryboys?
Er….you wouldn’t be referring to the real polls that we had recently would you?
Why do you assume people here are Tory voters you wanker?
No – I bet there are lots of B&P/UKIP voters on here as well. They’re only slightly more extreme than the Tories though.
The B&P have policies very similar to Michael Foot’s Labour .
You boast the Fabian connection – would that be the same Webbs who went to Stalin’s USSR and said it was paradise ?
Four cabinet members are ex SWP or Trots including the First Secretary.
The only extremists here are extreme democrats – not your sort of people.
You tell ‘em Fabian_Pride, they’re all a lot of shysters.
you can’t actually guess who I vote for.
The B&P are just Zanuliebour with added racism. Hence ZNL losing in the north to B&P, the south went the other way with UKIP.
Yes they will remember the PMs words and conclude he is as deluded as everyone says.
£ 20 billion borrowed in one month ( May ) the equivalent of 6 months borrowing 2 years ago.
New Labour : keeping children in poverty
Nope. And don’t you believe your own twaddle either.
MP’s accounts might be redacted but they still reveal Labour’s unmitigated troughing.
The electorate aren’t the ignorant idiots you like to think they are.
Let’s just await the results of the next election which WILL come at least by next June.
I hope Gordon is still there – because he deserves the results of at least one electoral poll so that he knows what we all really think of him.
yeah absolutely crapping it :call an election you Hoon if you dare !!!
mmm right, flaccid labour again
So, Fabian Pride, let’s analyse your claim. You said:
Most of the British electorate can’t be bothered to investigate the details of the parties’ respective spending plans
Your point is that the majority of the Brtiish electorate are too think and/or lazy to bother investigating the dodgy clains by Labour?
Come back kid??
Brown didn’t ever arrive in the first place. Unelected, uncharismatic, envious, petulant and inept
Couldn’t even run a Boy Scout troop
And as for the clunking fist, Blair was referring to his Chancellor of the Exchequer
“And as for the clunking fist, Blair was referring to his Chancellor of the Exchequer”
Who happened to be Gordon Brown.
Honestly, where do you people crawl out from? Sometimes I despair, I really do.
FP
we’ve been telling you you’re desperate all night.
Fred Goodwin votes Labour
He also said he was psychologically flawed, so that makes him a psychologically flawed clunking fist.
Oh dear, little wonder we’re in so much doo doo.
So don’t complain when politics comes up and thumps you in the face
You were right to raise this point, Guido.
Also an update on the Fink situation
UPDATE: Times comments being culled?
The Labour government is committed to taking the action needed to support British families and businesses through the tougher economic times sweeping the world. Britain is better placed to emerge from this world slowdown stronger than before, but we are taking action now to ease the pain of the credit crunch for hard-working families.
Labour has taken the right decisions to promote prosperity. And it has put policies in place to offer everyone the chance to harness their talents, not just the few. Labour’s New Deal programmes have helped more than 1.8 million people back to work. And our investment in programmes such as Train to Gain, which pays for people to get training at work, has helped hundreds of thousands not just to get a job, but to get a qualification and get on.
We will only be able to compete globally if we harness the talents of everyone in our society, without discrimination. We will need to offer greater opportunities for our workforce to get the right skills and training throughout their careers.
Key achievements:
* Under Labour we have had the longest period of sustained low inflation since the 1960s, the lowest interest rates since the 1960s and the highest levels of employment since records began
* The second highest employment rate and GDP per head of the G7
* Inflation rates have averaged less than half their rates between 1979 and 1997 in the past decade, even after recent unforeseen shocks.
* There are approximately 430,000 more VAT registered businesses now than in 1997, and 350,000 more self-employed people
* Over the last 12 years, the incomes of the poorest 20 per cent of the population have grown faster than the richest 20 per cent.
* 600,000 children have been lifted out of poverty
* New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work
* Cut number of young people making long-term unemployment claims by over 75 per cent
Winning the fight for Britain’s future:
* By 2011 we will have seen the longest sustained expansion of investment in public services since 1945
* In 2008, a record 800,000 businesses benefited from the local Business Link service and one million businesses a month benefited from its award-winning web portal on business support simplification and measures to ensure better access to Government procurement for small firms
* In 2009, the administrative burden on business of regulation will be reduced by almost 20 per cent making it easier and cheaper for businesses of all sizes to grow
* By 2010 we will be spending over £6 billion a year supporting British science and innovation, up from £1.3 billion in 1997
* Reducing the main rate of Corporation Tax to 28 per cent will deliver its lowest ever rate in the UK and the lowest in the G7, improving competitiveness and encouraging investment.
* Because we are serious about our commitment to eradicating child poverty, in 2010 new lone parents on income support will be required to seek work once their youngest child is seven, backed up by the local availability of high-quality wrap around child care.
If you want to write a book, do it on a word processor and not on a blog.
Couldnt we just wrap these single parent whores in cling film and then dump them in a landfill site?
Yes!
Better idea: sex traffic them to eastern Europe. They wouldn’t notice the difference.
I like fiction, but only if it’s credible.
Cut and Paste shows the level of your argument.
devoid of ideas, all false rhetoric and hollow promises
You’re stretching my ability to suspend my disbelief.
No one reads this shit. If I was Guido, I’d delete this and set a word count limit on comments.
“No one reads this shit”
Try it – you might learn something.
Only how blinded you are to what is happening around you.
Rather encouraging really.
What will you do when labour dies as a party ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1193953/Revealed-Tony-Blair-claimed-7-000-new-roof-just-TWO-days-leaving-Downing-Street.html
I’m a regular kinda guy.
Seriously, if your comments were more brief, I might read them. Doubt I’d learn anything though.
If you like long reads, try The Gulag Archipelago. I found that very informative; it lays out the consequences of socialism very well. Solzhenitsyn was given a Nobel prize, which I doubt you’ll get for ‘graphics fidelity’.
Or try Stalin by Simon Sebag Montefiore and then Mao by Jung Chang – read how 100 million people were murdered by the state.
You will learn far more by clicking on your name which takes you straight to Labour.org
Hoon
And here endeth a Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the Monster Raving Lying Bastard Party.
I need a massive poo. I’ll print off your extra long post and use it as arsewipe. Should last me for several bog-busting shites.
You are missing periods (full stops) all over the place.
What’s that all about ?
(Got bored after the first line so apologising for not commenting on spelling, syntax, content etc.)
Anyway, please try harder.
Fabian Pride’s source is http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.labour.org.uk%2Feconomic_stability_and_full_employment&ei=qLk6SperMpSNjAeK8rmoDQ&usg=AFQjCNFrY8NMPpk6oZ5wGgwgTVo4DKD5Gw&sig2=TCily_dIHZsWVKbIYR87-w
Fabian Pride Anagrams
Farina Biped
Baa! Rip Fiend
In Fib Parade
I Panda Fibre
Bad Pain Rife
Pain? I Barfed Pain
If Pa Brained
I Fair Bedpan
Anagram of Mr Fabian Pride is
Draper Main Fib
That was I barfed pain. Please remove the other pain!
Have you had a bad curry, poppet. You’re repeating yourself.
Labour=Hovis=Shite
Hazel is under attack tonight.
UNISON , which has thousands of members in Salford is campaigning for her removal.
Manchester Evening News predicts she will survive this challenge.
Bet she won’t survive the next election!!!!
They’ve put back their decision announcement twice. Last one was 9.45pm but nothing yet.
That’s probably because the decision is not going the way the Manchester Evening News predicted
Owned by The Grauniad, remember
I would imagine the local members would rather lose the next election with a new candidate, than lose it with Blears
Well apparently not – she has survived tonight !!!!
What idiots they are.
She will lose the next election for them!!!!
Can’t believe she won the fucking vote – are the Salford labour party fucking stupid??
Silly me. I thought the meeting may reflect public opinion in the city.
Hardwidge was predicting last week that Blears would return to the cabinet.
Why else the grovelling apology?
However only 44 people had a vote. Socialism in action
Are the Salford labour party fucking stupid??
No I am in Crete at the moment
I’d prefer that UNISON would simply stop financing ALL these Nu-Labour idiots.
They are as much to blame as the MPs.
Watch them mobilise their troops onto the streets the minute that the Tories take over and ask the public sector to share the pain after a decade of being paid well above the private sector.
Labour apologists.
The unions are funding the wrong labour party
They would be better fielding their own people than funding posturing metropolitan luvvies who do not share their values
Salford has just been twinned with Teheran.
I don’t know why you’re bothering about this, newspapers will go the way of manufacturing, and be made in China.
The good news is that they’ll only cost 4p and the takeaway you order will be authentic, the bad news is it will take 3 months to arrive.
Always ahead of the curve, allow me to tell you that a Mr Yang of Ratsarse Plaza, Shanghai, is offering his spare washing machine for sale, she’s only 27 and goes all night on a portion of rice and a sweet chestnut a day.
Sorry, completely o/t but what is with all this “Prince William wants to fight on the front line in Afghanistan” shit the media are pushing?
He would say that wouldn’t he. (?)
Who would want that inbred fuckwit along side them?
Sorry really O/T – Government’s choice to hold the Iraq War Inquiry in private.
U Turn tonight after being attacked by senior Armed Force Personnel, families of soldiers who have died, and senior politicians including John Major.
Gordon is spsinning like mad at th oment to try andget back the initiative
Another disaster -Gordon!!!!
Giving Brown the initiative is like giving a monkey an alarm clock.
Give Brown the initiative and he will flog it off at rock bottom prices !
Dad, I’ve got it wrong again.
Gordon’s father must be really disappointed in this failed son!!!!
There is a new way of creating policy now, what ever Mctwat tells parliament the opposite happens.
O/T BREAKING NEWS – HAZEL BLEARS NOT DESELECTED BY SALFORD LABOUR PARTY!!!
You stupid fucking idiots, first unmentionables MP coming up….
Where did you get that from? I’ve been glued to the news. Not surprised tho’.
Try Sky, first for breaking news.
Can’t believe they’ve kept her! Prats.
Probably shed a few tears, apologised profusely and grovelled. Plus they realised that without her Liebour would lose the seat to the ‘Numpty Party’.
They are the numpty party….!
sooo tired got to get up early work prep I should have done but haven’t…. :-)
Agreed, but I meant the B Numpty Party.
oh them. Tossers too….!
Can you just say good night in Spanish before I go?!
Me too and it’s past 1.00 here, so night, hasta mañana
Buenas noches.x
xxxxx
Sky news, outside the hall
I was watching Sky (getting paranoid now…).
DB, Either you’re not quick enough or I’m too much of a geek!
I have to admit I’m a tad pissed. Maybe I’d zoned out to a better world.
Don’t start me on that. I have a huge related back catalogue, but this is not the site.
DB, don’t start me either, I’m not exactly sober either, and was a DJ in the late ’90s.
For anyone that didn’t get it, there are lots of “Black Box”es in the MPs exes forms…
Damn. See how slow I am after a bottle of Pinot.
And you were so very slow before you even had a drink!
You must be totally retarded now.
Is that you again tat?
Good news. The electorate will do it for them.
Exactly.
It is fecking Salford Labour we are talking about..you know Sid & Doris…all solid labour blood lines…like Charlie Falconer & Lord Fudgie Caramel !!
This outstanding article on Labourlist exposes the Tories as partly responsible for the rise of the B&P. It disproves the myth that Labour are to blame: http://www.labourlist.org/whats_right_and_whats_wrong_voteredgogreen
“The intellectual antecendents of the B&P are the 20th century practitioners of Fascism – Hitler, Mussolini, and Franco. In each instance, it was the political left who opposed them; both the democratic and Communist left managed to form united fronts against Fascism.
In the UK, at Cable Street in the East End (where some of my Paintbrush comrades recently undertook a walking tour sneakily arranged for a weekend when I was away) Communists and Socialists repelled Fascists under the unified call “they shall not pass”.
It was also the right – including many Conservatives – who espoused anti-immigrant sentiments throughout the 20th Century.
Compare any 1970s Monday Club pamphlet with a modern B&P leaflet, and you’ll be hard pressed to find the difference: they even had a Repatriation Committee, devoted to policy on sending non-white immigrants back to their countries of ethnic origin.
It was interesting also to review the race issue on the BBC’s recent rerun of the 1979 election night coverage – a theme throughout the night was the collapse in support for the National Front, with the strong impression being given by the Beeb’s commentators that Thatcher had made deliberate efforts to dog-whistle anti-immigration messages at voters who would otherwise have gone to the NF.
In fairness to the Tories, recent leaders have made genuine efforts to purge these elements from their Parliamentary and voluntary party (and rightly so). Monday Club membership is now banned, for example, and has been since 2001.
But the Tories cannot just leave their past behind so easily and replace the political goalposts. If Fascism is what it says on the tin, it belongs firmly on the extreme right.”
Do fuck off.
Oh, it’s just a coincidence that the B-Np are having a field day when Nulabour is in power is it?
I’ve heard of selective reasoning, but this is ridiculous.
Labour – putting the Socialism back into National Socialism
You need to seek help for your verbal diarrhoea.
It was NuLab which left it’s past behind and became the party of the champagne socialist. Those who disagree with the policy are silenced, by law if necessary. This is the way of the Fascists.
All fascist regimes were born out of socialism: Germany., Italy and maybe Russia. Labour is going the same way. All is in place for Britain to become a fascist state under the Chairmanship of the Great Broon. He has one year to come up with a pretext.
B&P make gains in Labour constituencies when Labour do poorly. Get the connection? Thought not. Duh!
British jobs for British workers , I mean Gordon even gave the B&P there election winning slogan , how much more partisan can Labour be ???
charles hardwidge :eat my shorts
Tell us why the Labour voters in Barnsley deserted to the BNP.
Be honest
Someone also remarked it is better to die on ones feet than on one’s knees and then buggered off to Mockba to do neither
Excellent article! I’m sick of all the Right-wingers like Hannan and Dale calling the B&P “extreme Left” or “socialist”. They are right-wing, pure and simple.
Oh do learn – politics is a circle with extreme left and extreme right meeting each other.
They both murder people – the extreme left has the world record for most people murdered.
Shut the fuck up. You fucking amateur.
Extreme right asks for extra time
The Toytown Nazis are extreme socialists with racist traits; economically they are to the left of the Labour party.
The British Nazi Party are statist authoritarians with an antipathy towards the monarchy and church, so they can’t really be credibly labelled as defenders of British traditions and culture (i.e. they aren’t ‘right wing’ on non economic policies).
If our pet troll really cared about anything, he’d be out trying to reclaim the white working class vote from the nazis, instead of wasting the time of everyone here.
How dare you write Gordon & Pride in the same sentence?
Oh dear, I just did, what a prat.
Blog rage is a serious illness with distressing consequences.
There are 10 signs that indicate you have a problem . This disorder is devastating and prevent you having a normal life. You tick all the boxes whatever name you post under. Worrying, of corse, if you are really Harriet.
You need to get help now!!!!
Suggest you start here : darmano.typepad.com. bloggers.anonymous.
Left/right is an irrelevant tag. I can’t remember which parliament it referred to but it was based on where members sat relative to the Speaker. Hitlet’s Nazi party called themselves radical socialists and hardline Russian communists are referred to as right wing. It’s a mixed up world but the left will be right and the right will be left.
Two sides of the same coin. They both want to dictate the way you think and the only reason they are opposed to each other is that they are competing for the same dull minds.
I believe it came from the French Revolution, where different groups sat on different sides in their parliament.
I am described as an ‘Influential Commentator” [QT]
WTF!!
She needs blacking out and redacting!!!
“China is switching and gearing up production from bricks to black markers”
Anyone watching Newsnight? Stuart Bell is the dopiest old moronic Hoon I think have ever seen. Pathetic.
Nah, not when QT’s on.
Anyway, I agree. He’s a tosser.
White suit on, yes ?
He’s a posh Geordie. Nuff said.
Holy Shit
Yeah okay – OH SHIT!
French Jobs for French workers ?
Can see this becoming the ’summer of discontent’. Perhaps a good time to stock up on tinned food and candles. At least it’s barbecue season.
Labour governments always end in social disorder and economic collapse, same old, same old…
…..and petrol !
o/t The hottie in the QT audience with the yellow top.
Has she been redacted?
Question Time
Night of the living dead!
We face a period of global economic turbulence caused by the problems in the US housing market. It is understandable that families are concerned about how the world economic slowdown will affect them. Labour will continue to take the tough, long term decisions to maintain economic stability and steer Britain through these turbulent times. We will not go back to the failed Tory policy of billions of pounds of unfunded tax promises, which would undermine economic stability and risk taking Britain back to the days of 15 per cent interest rates and three million unemployed.
Key achievements:
* Inflation rates have averaged less than half their rates between 1979 and 1997 in the past decade
* New mums now have 9 months paid maternity leave and maternity pay is up to £112.75 a week.
* A right to paternity leave for all dads
* Parents of young and disabled children have the new right to request flexible working.
* All parents can get help saving for their children’s future with the Child Trust Fund, with the most help going to the poorest children and children in care.
* The Working Tax Credit provides help with childcare, up to a maximum eligible amount of £300 per week. (£175 per week for one child).
* As a result of the tax credit system, 4 in 10 families – over 3 million families- now pay no net tax.
Winning the fight for Britain’s future:
* Child Benefit which was £575 a year in 1997 will by 2010 be over £1,000;
* The basic rate of income tax was cut in April 2008 to just 20 pence – its lowest level for over 75 years.
* We will extend paid maternity leave to a whole year by the end of this Parliament.
* By April 2010, households with children will be, on average, £2,000 better off in real terms than in 1997. Households with children in the poorest fifth of the population will be, on average, £4,500 better off.
* We will open 3,500 Sure Start Children’s Centres by 2010 – providing childcare, healthcare, early education and family support.
* New Saving Gateway accounts will be available by 2010 for those on lower incomes with the government matching the money people save to help promote saving.
OK Harriett are you paying your staff from taxpayers money to keep making these idiot postings???
Someone is obviously working overtime on our money.
Perhaps if you started to explain your excessively large publicity bills we might try and listen. If not – your message is just so must garbage.
Seek help for your affliction – every disability deserves support!!!!
It’s just someone copying ad pasting from Labour’s website.
Click on the name.
I was having trouble sleeping. Now I don’t. Jeez this is so boring, boring, bo …zzzzzz
” and the debts of the father shall be passed unto the sons until the fourth generation”
New Labour – impoverishing your grandchildren
Have we not seen you before somewhere? Fuck off, Mr “Started in America”, we don’t give a fuck about anything except that we need a change of government.
Does anyone except Gordon Brown think that public spending will increase in the next few years???
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/richard_preston/blog/2009/06/18/the_government_doesnt_add_up
“Thanks to the searchlight the Institute for Fiscal Studies has shone on the Government’s numbers, there may now be no one in Britain left except the Prime Minister who believes that public spending will increase in real terms in the next five years”
I see the Traktor production stats unit is on nightshift. Do you really believe any of this stuff? Voters don’t….they’ve already shown that in the recent elections, when NuLabour was totally and utterly humiliated.
I reckon there’s a fair chance it might be Gordon himself. After all, no one else really believes this crap.
Mono-maniac, workaholic, self-deluded fantasist and mentalist spewing tractor stats… kind of makes sense doesn’t it?
* By April 2010, households with children will be, on average, £2,000 better off in real terms than in 1997. Households with children in the poorest fifth of the population will be, on average, £4,500 better off*
No great shakes, considering you’re borrowing £50 per week per man woman and child in the country
Think of it like this, Harman Pride, if you are a family of 4, then by the end of this year the Government will have borrowed £12000 on your behalf
Just like those expenses you shouldn’t have claimed, it has to be paid back
Bloody Hell, this is pure propaganda – figures without the ifs and buts and exceptions and downsides etc – either you are a useful idiot spreading the party message or the naiive person who absorbs unquestionly the party line. Wonder why Hitler managed to come to power in Germany? – People like you.
You forgot that tractor production is up in the Ukraine you insensitive clod!
Hatman Snide,
You New Labour War and Occupation and Torture Party propagandists make me want to throw up.
If I had half the chance I would string you up.
In the national interest of course.
Small,insignificant news story passes today that jury free trial to begin.
Due to “jury intimidation”
Yes, and you know those pesky juries can’t always be relied on to come up with the “right” decision….
Nothing to see here, move along sir.
Sorry Guido we keep getting off topic.
gordon refused to reveal his contact with RM*rdoch despte promising an open response to FOI in Feb.08.
And yet days after becoming PM he released details of Blairs contacts with Murdoch. !!!!!!!
But- NO details of Murdoch’s meeting with Brown on 6/7 October at PRECISELY the moment that our dearest beloved leader Brown decided not to call an election, were ever released.
Ho-Hum!!!!!!
It’s all very murky….have “deals” been done? if so, what?
LABOUR DEBT TO THE NATION £774.8 BILLION. MOST OF IT JUST GIVEN AWAY TO PEOPLE WHO DONT WANT TO EARN IT.
THIS IS THE WORST NATIONAL DEBT IN OVER 30 YEARS, £13K PER PERSON.
All we want to do now is carry on spending so we can win the next election and then boy will we raise taxes after, but of course we wont tell you this.
I thought that mass immigration has a positive effect on the economy. Bloody hell what would the defecit be if we hadnt let in millions of immigrants.
So vote labour for easy money and a nice trip after the next election to see those nice friendly bankers from the IMF
22 ministers asked to go on question time, not one would go. had to make do with lord faulkner
LABOUR AND BROWN CARRYING ON DECEIVING AND BULLYING.
JUST CANT BE HONEST JUST LIKE THEIR 10% SPENDING CUTS THEY WONT ADMIT TO FOR NOW BUT WILL AFTER THE ELECTION
WHAT DISGUSTING PEOPLE THEY ALL ARE
Still laughing at brillos “vison on” tribute , and good odds on margret beckett getting speaker ??, oh well camping and caravaning bill will not be guillotined . I now wish either ming or ken clark had put up , beckett or bercow is like choosing which barrel of a purdy sportsman .
900 workers been sacked , biggest monthly national debt borrowing ever at £19.9bn, high street leveling out , oil on the up ,no lending to real estate , Mervin King not being listend to and hinted at what is to come ,Gordon Brown still not called the general election and still lying . best trougher so far goes to David Chaytor who used an assumed name to pay his daughter as researcher on top of claiming for non existant mortage , police think criminal investigation may be viable !!
squirral nutkin survives by 19 votes , fabian pride is Bruno and proud
best beard competiton being held , bloke won by a whisker (by a whisker oh well forget it )
The BBC is up in arms over the censorshp of MP’s expenses.
Whatever next?
They’re just crying wolf. Bastards.
Don’t worry Anuntie Beeb – the Telegraph has just said it will over the next few weeks publish every document it has relating to expenses, starting tomorrow with the Cabinet.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5575676/Cabinet-expenses-in-full-published-by-Telegraph.html
Every expense claim, email to and from the fees office, all the claims not paid, most of the redactions removed (they will keep redactions of precise addresses and anything that could impact security)
Ha ha ha – how do the fucking pigs like it now, still want us all to have ID cards and cameras tracking our every move do you??
bloody blears
I don’t mind Hula Hoops.
I’ve turned adblocks off, but it is ready and waiting for the next time the pout appears.
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