+++ New MP’s Scam Breaking +++
Guido is digging into a whole new seam of scams that have come to his notice. MPs are renting out buy-to-let properties that they own, to members of their own staff, to whom they authorise payments out of parliamentary expenses. Laundering their expenses via their staff back into their own pockets.
Like a Victorian mill owner paying his tenanted workers in their own coin to pay back in rent and spend in their tied shops. Except MPs use our money…
UPDATE : Have just been given information about MPs renting properties to other MPs who claim for the rent on expenses, which they then pay into their MP mate’s pocket. Nice.
+++ Developing +++
This was outlawed under the Truck Acts.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the biggest offenders are Leftists.
The quiet ones are always the worst, and the lefty ones are always the greediest and most venal.
So what!
It started in America.
getting on with the job
I have already asked Gay Gordon if I can change the design of the Olympic Village so that it can be used for MP accommodation. This will stop the second home allowances before the Tory landslide next year. If you agree please sign the petition at http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/MP2ndHome.
We must stop those Tories stealing our housing allowances. We can’t allow their snouts in our New Labour Troughs.
Take it from me, we’re getting on with the job in hand, especially the hard working Home Secretary, to whom I’m entirely unrelated (when praising her in our local papers that is).
Why is Tessa Jowell (255pm) so confident that they will lose the next election, electoral reform to prevent postal vote fraud delayed until 2014 (10m new postal votes in last 3 years), Central Office of Information now UK’s second biggest advertiser (£178.1m of OUR money), I suggest the next GE result far from guaranteed to reflect court of public opinion
Shame on you.
The Best way to Rob a bank .. is to own one.
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22352.htm
Yes, that’s what I was thinking. Though, of course, such considerations do not impact on Labour as they have special dispensation to the laws.
One of the worst employers I ever worked for (in effect stealing money from the company, running severeal sets of books, ignoring employment and health and safety laws) was a very dedicated lifelong member of the Labour Party. And how many stories are there of trade unions being sued for abusing their own staff? Answer: Far too many.
Go and tell that story to Michael Spencer the conservative Party Treasurer he’ll sympathise as his finances are unravelling right now, despite his breaking every rule in the book.
Don’t call me Peck!
Why is Guido surprised that his “greed is good” philosophy is now affecting public servants – surely this is what he means by the Guidoisation of politics. If he thinks the Tories will be any better should they get into power – I have news for him – they wonn’t – they will be worse many of them have been indulging themselves at the even deeper trough that is the City of London – where the levels of greed are such that the Palace of Westminster would appear to be a wholly order.
Fortunately, all of this is changing – the death of free market capitalism in 2008/9 will be just as momentous as that communism in 1989. Regulated markets will eventually become the order of the day – and the only sensible political debate will be between social democrats and christian democrats/one nation Tories/Butlerites (or whatever they may call themselves) – and Guido and the other nihilists will just inhabit the fringes where they belong.
“”Fortunately, all of this is changing – the death of free market capitalism in 2008/9 will be just as momentous as that communism in 1989.”"
Thanks for that. I haven’t laughed so hard in ages.
Bless you.
Derek, your bleating is wearing thin now, very very thin.
Guido has offered £10k for the MPs receipts, and seeing as you have some tax difficulties of your own, holding out for £300k is a little foolish. Take the £10k man.
Substitute “free wheeling socialists” instead of free market capitalism and you are a lot nearer the truth.
Fuck off you commie bastard!!!!
Long live the People’s Soviet! Hurrah!
Typical Marxist literacy – ‘wholly order’?
I can’t believe you don’t preview your posts, or are you so keen to spill your bilious nonsense that there just isn’t time?
Chorley Grammar obviously did you no favours, you Hoon!
The view from the bunker. Hopelessly out of touch.
Good work, they’re so excited about this go nowhere side show.
The fact is the dinosaur fans of Guido haven’t come to terms with the reality of what is unfolding and how it’s going to mash up the powers they like to suck up to.
Apologies for the spelling – since Guido updated I’m afraid the edge of the previews box is cut off – so I end up typing blind (ho ho what a straightman I am). But at least I know the difference between social democracy and marxism – and no I’m not Dolly.
Ha Wholly Order!
You really are a plonker.
“would appear to be a wholly order”
3/10 for spelling. Do try harder.
…but then perhaps you are one of Ball’s star edukashional outcomes.
Your comment misses the point. To be in favour of free markets, entrepreneurship and so on is not the same as being in favour of stealing taxpayers’s money, which is in effect what Guido is attacking. So long as people pursue their “greed” by honest means and without taking money seized from the public in tax, I have no problem. Adam Smith explained it all 200+ years ago.
And it is another myth, put about by apologists for the current government, that the current financial crisis demonstrates the failures of “unregulated capitalism”. Excuse me, but anyone who works in financial markets will point out how regulated they are. The trouble is that the regulations have produced counterproductive effects.
Socialists who fondly imagine this crisis bears out the merits of central planning, huge taxes or regulations are living in la-la land.
“Why is Guido surprised that his “greed is good” philosophy is now affecting public servants”
Are weasels a protected species now? MPs as public servants is a transparent piece of weaselling. The public can clearly distinguish between council employees on one hand, and on the other elected representatives and their appointed lackeys in the quangos. (Watch the tail).
The current spin on MPs’ troughing as necessary to do the job is an exercise in monster weaselling. Madam Timney was at it on the Toady program this morning, so late with this line was she I suspect she is the cabinet dunce. (She also rather suggested she might be huming her sister, hence entitled to call her sister’s house her own – in a manner of speaking).
No. And the Tories won’t Guido suspects be much better. Which is one of many reasons why Guido isn’t a Tory.
“wholly order”.
Oh you Berklian you. Isn’t it?
I supoect that you may well be right … good isn’t it?
The thing is that free market economy as long as rules and laws are observed, but in the days of the Great Leader laws and rules have been ignored, Ponzi schemes have become the norm, and rules have been interpreted to suit their own purpose, because of lax control by the powers things have been let rip so UK, Eire, USA, etc are in the mess they are in.
When capitalism collapses, Mrs Draper won’t get paid a fat wedge for wittering on to Labour’s sofa-surfers?
Will she have to indulge in barter to be able to live?
Amazing how robust are the Trots attack on anything even slightly not left of centre.
Greedy troughing Trots are just as bad as greedy troughing Tories.
Free market capitalism is not dying, what is dying is the Blair/Brown socialist experiment in capitalism. Big difference.
“Regulated markets will eventually become the order of the day”. Our financial markets were regulated in a regulatory structure designed by a certain G Brown. The issue was that it was crap and didn’t work
The rest is just laughable, go on believing it if you want but you and your political creed is as dead as Brown’s credibility
Labour scandals are always financial ones. Tories lean more toward the sexual type of outrages
I totally agree on the grounds of their hypocrisy. Lambast people well off then outdo them via the public purse.
Johnathan Pearce puts it quite plainly – “Greed is Good” is correct when whatever is done is legal and others also benefit, be it as employees or suppliers or whatever.
So what, its all America’s fault and I am the only one able to get us out of this mess because I was the only one able to get us into this mess. Remember, a serious leader for serious times.
(with 2 pencils up the nose and a fresh pair of pants on my head)
Lord Gordon of Wibble
Ah you must be Blackadder!
As ever, Lord Gordon, you prove yourself to be completely hatstand!
Wibble, wibble, snortflurket!!
I’ve noticed a theme running through here of using names from classic comedies – with impeccable taste I might add.
I hope that our sense of humour helps us all through the dark years ahead.
I’m assuming that all concerned, who “have not broken any rules”, have been giving Revenue and Customs their fair share of their sleazy, immoral, illgotten gains?
Derek draper coming up on Radio 2. Steve Wright just asked if any one has questions to email them in.
Q1 If i was in Oxford would that necessarily mean that I was at Oxford university..
etc
That lorry driver been released already?
I have already asked Gay Gordon if I can change the design of the Olympic Village so that it can be used for MP accommodation. This will stop the second home allowances before the Tory landslide next year. If you agree please sign the petition at http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/MP2ndHome.
We must stop those Tories stealing our housing allowances. We can’t allow their snouts in our New Labour Troughs.
Simon Jenkins nails it
Languishing in a Florida jail is a member of parliament (the House of Lords) named Conrad Black. He is doing time for rifling his company till of a few million. Given the events of the past six months, Black seems like a small-time operator. But it never occurred to me that elected members of the lower house were up to much the same tricks. Black’s defence was always that he was within the rules of his private corporate governance. That’s what MPs are saying.
Evening Standard http://tinyurl.com/d6gjb8
That’s kinda incestuous … and I thought they just lying, thieving bastards
That’s it you thick sucker you swallow this distraction story. Be an absolute genius, don’t vote and follow it up with a good old whine and moan.
Have a look at Dan Hannan’s plans to dismantle the NHS. Listen to Cameron’s silence in response. That’s why the Conservatives have not had power for 12 years.
Have you any idea what it’s like for people on middle and lower incomes in the US when someone becomes ill in a family, it’s utterly destroyed. more than 46 million people have no health cover in the US. Millions of others have such poor cover that they lose it the moment their illness costs more than a few thousand dollars. Just think about it, 300,000 people lost their homes in the US in March 2009, do you really want that kind of fake freedom in the UK?
The body politic, as well as the human body, begins to die as soon as it is born, and carries itself the causes of its destruction.
The first step towards vice is to shroud innocent actions in mystery, and whoever likes to conceal something sooner or later has reason to conceal it.
@Politics Matters:
Are you advocating voting Labour then? Their strategy seems to be to nick whatever policies the Tories announce, moan when they don’t announce others for fear of those being stolen as well, then smear their opponents with tales of dismantling the NHS for good measure.
Perhaps if they came up with lots of exciting and inspirational new ideas people would consider voting for them. Unfortunately, they have been in power far too long and the tank is empty. What precious few good ideas have emerged of late have come from the Lib Dems and the Tories.
The NHS MUST be dismantled to stop the state rationing it’s low quality treatment.
Paul Steane took his own life at 45 because he could no longer endure the punishment that the NHS had inflicted on him.
But Paul Steane did commit suicide. He didn’t do it because he wanted to die. He did it, terrifyingly, because he was afraid to live.
”That was how the NHS had left him,” [his wife] says wearily. ”Terrified of life. He didn’t kill himself because he was depressed at his condition, but because he was frightened of what else they could do to him if he had to go back to hospital.
”His legs had been amputated. He was blind. His vocal cords were so damaged that he could no longer speak. His breathing was laboured and painful. And his hands were so painful that he was petrified he would choke to death if the tube in his throat became blocked and he couldn’t pull it out.
“But most of all he was utterly terrified he would have to go back into hospital.”
Guido, this developing news is taking a good while. I appreciate that its just you and co-conspirators, and that you have to fend off the trolls but it has been awhile.
I doubt Sky are shitting themselves with the speed of the ‘Breaking News’ on Fawkes TV.
Neither are the BBC. But that’s because they won’t be running it unless Cameron or Osbourne is featured.
OT: Fantastic reminder on Political Betting of the anal retentive’s early student days in Northern Britain – http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4683799.stm
Sinn Fein at the trough too.
Good on them. It can be very hard to find somewhere when you first move to London.
No, it is in fact quite easy. And with the tube covering such a vast area, there’s a great deal of choice as well.
Guido, Martin Kettle has a nice article on CiF on this subject.
He says turn the Marriot, County Hall, into a halls of residence. Can’t argue.
Why are you so thick?
Are you going to force people who already have two homes to live in it?
For example those who have one house just north of Notting Hill and another in the Cotswolds and happen to be millionaires.
Smith caught the point when she said Members of Parliament need to live in two homes but that should not limit Membership of the House of Commons only to those who already have two homes. Here here!
Hehe. Touched a nerve have we. The point about a halls of residence, is that those who don’t have a second home, get accomodation free of charge. Even people with no home can be an MP then. What they don’t get is tax free capital gains and the John Lewis list.
And Smith has never caught the point. She’s so thick, she doesn’t see anything wrong claiming a bathplug is a legitimate expense.
Is it proposed that these halls of residence accomodate MP’s partners and children?
Raw nerve, you couldn’t touch your knees even if you could see them.
CHT. Wow Martin Kettle must be bright. You don’t think he’s maybe quoting (pretty much verbatim) my idea from Sunday on this?
http://www.order-order.com/2009/04/sunday-sleaze-round-up-2/#comments
Scratch a journalist and you just find … a Hoon
This is dreadful, Guido.
Don’t you realise that every time a naughty little boy or naughty little girl says “I don’t believe all politicians are honest”, another fairy dies?
Shame on you.
I thought Richard had killed every one of them already with his wanking.
No, its kittens that die when you masturbate
You must be doing it wrong then.
That must have been an accurate shot.
Oh stop it, stop it!!! I am not feeling at all well…
When will they get round to Chris Bryant then?
Was he the one caught dogging a badger or did he put his underwear on his head? Parliament is stuffed with these nice people.
I thought Bryant was badgering a dogger, but I may be wrong
Aye! Yon sat’lit is ma’ lates’ tri’umf.
But ye ‘av ta’ be spesh’la trained ta’ see oot!
An’ pay’ nae’ mind tae yon scams! Tha’ nuthin compared tae mine!
Mind ye, nuthen’s’ ma fult ye understand!
[Translation : those of a perceptive nature will, if they believe me and Mzz. ShoeLace Shooty, be able to gaze up into the night sky and see my latest triumph, - a satellite, launched by my very own rocket, orbiting the earth, and broadcasting the message to one and all, that not only have I saved the earth - for the umpteenth time - but all that therein is!
You will also be able to discern green shoots of recovery everywhere. No - not as some critics have suggested, grass springing up where once was a road or a production line or a shop, but the shoots of Recovery. And it is all due to me, me, Me, MEEEEEE!!!!
But you have to specially trained to be able to see these things. No, it is not madness. I know madness when I see it, - look at my Cabinet!!
Although I have no training - or experience - in even the slightest, most remote calling that could be called useful, - I am able to spot these things. And I tell you, we live in verdant times, where everything flourishes. Debt, bankruptcy, bullshit, cross-cutting claptrap, QUANGOS, - you name it, I am responsible.
and as for MPs fiddling their expenses, - why, - I've been fiddling the books for years. So you could call it a sign of loyalty : the bigger the fiddle, - the greater the loyalty!
Mind you, nothing is my fault.]
Why is he a Geordie?
Great stuff Guido, keep digging and stuff the bastards.
It’s no wonder Brown and co are desperately trying to stop the house price bubble from bursting.
They’re going to be distraught when property prices are down another 30% by the end of this year.
They’ll socialise any losses and privatise the profits. They have taken lessons from the banksters.
No. They’ve taken lessons from the fascists:
“Historian Gaetano Salvemini argued in 1936 that fascism makes taxpayers responsible to private enterprise, because “the State pays for the blunders of private enterprise… Profit is private and individual. Loss is public and social.” Fascist governments encouraged the pursuit of private profit and offered many benefits to large businesses, but they demanded in return that all economic activity should serve the national interest.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism
with the “national Interest” of course being a euphemism for the ruling classes interests.
The best way to act in the national interest? Get the government out of the way and let successful businesses succeed and bad businesses fail.
It’s called capitalism.
Don’t worry McMental will get the housing market ‘moving’ soon.
Brown can’t even get his own bowels moving!
I thought he could which was the whole problem with the G20 photo shoots
yep he’ll get it moving for sure – further south
It’s just that we won’t have any money left to afford housing as it’s all gone purchasing imported food.
Fucking awesome.
If there is a god, let him bankrupt these thieving Hoons, one by one over the course of the next year or so. Then when they all lose their jobs in the GE it will be even fucking sweeter.
We don’t do God, so STFU.
Oh please let it be someone sanctimonious and left wing….
Taken from The Green Book 2009.
I guess they skipped page 3 and went straight to the John Lewis list pages
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Members must ensure that claims do not give rise to, or give
the appearance of giving rise to, an improper personal financial
benefit to themselves or anyone else.
Members are committed to openness about what expenditure
has been incurred and for what purposes.
Individual Members take personal responsibility for all expenses
incurred, for making claims and for keeping records, even if the
administration of claims is delegated by them to others.
I love the “do not give rise to, or give the appearance of giving rise to” line.
It’s basically saying that their claims and behaviour can be wrong as long as they don’t look wrong.
Individual Members take personal responsibility for all expenses
incurred, for making claims and for keeping records.
Personal responsibility not a phase in Jacqui’s book obviously.
How much have they billed us for this piss taking?
Shit! I wish I’d thought of that!
You wanker!
You will, Looter. You will.
Nice. Wish we had some muckrakers like you on this side of the Pond. Half of Ottawa would throw itself into the river when you set foot on the continent.
muckrakers? The ’sword of truth’ surely.
Y’all ain’t got Wikipedia thar?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muckraker
I’ve written to my MP challenging him to publish his full expenses on his website and shame the rest of his colleagues.
Do the same for yours.
Jowell knows no shame. What’s the point!
Nor does Quisling Davies.
agreed Khan is a total hoon.
im afraid the the conservative standing against him will be a hoon of equal magnitude or more.
John Prescott. Somehow I doubt success.
I’ve got Sadiq Khan – the odious little turd organised petitions against closures o sub post offices, voted for the closure program in Parliament and then sent around a letter blaming Wandsworth Council – a hoon of the highest order.
Follow the Northern Rock money on this, Guido. See who has Northern Rock mortgages on these properties. I think you may find a story there….
Why though? Worse that could happen would be the loan is called in and the MP has to refi with another lender. Now an MP who had say, £150k in savings with Northern Rock..
If this is true then it goes beyond ‘Snouts in the trough’ – this is Westminster Bagwash.
….are we at breaking point yet?
Surely there must be some retribution in the form of the “court of public opinion”, or mob rule as it was called in my day, actually cutting loose & dragging these troughers to traitors gate for lynching?
There are no breaking points. It is all within the rules.
Apart from Conway and Spelman, both of them Conservatives, smell that Cameron they did break the rules and what have you done, nothing, in line with the ‘do nothing’ policy.
It may be within the rules but there is such a thing as ‘morality’. At least there is with me. Shame that these troughing Hoons can’t even spell the word.
Harman?
Please let it be Harman….
Harman has some sort of lift that takes her car from the drive to an underground garage.
If she has paid for that out of expenses it will be a disgrace. It is NOT necessary for her MP’s duties.
I hope it is Harman. We could take Dromey down as well – a “twofer”.
I’ve never forgiven them their bullying tactics at Grunwick.
Let’s picket THEM!
order order
In their case should that not be:
order order. commie
I think its one or both of the Milliband brothers, that would wipe the grins from the arrogant smirking fuckers faces wouldnt it?
“Harman has some sort of lift that takes her car from the drive to an underground garage”
Called Jack Dromey, by any chance?
Please let it be Patricia “Do you know what patronising means” Hewitt.
I used to read Guido with respect but the way he is wallowing in the MPs trough is a bit disgusting coming from someone whose occupation or former occupation was a hedgefunder.
Surely the latter is by definition a parasite, living at the expense of others; and a gambler to boot.
Most MPs by contrast contribute to social good.
The main sin is that the rules on expenses and duties need reforming and both Labour and Conservative governments have failed to do this; they also did not want to be subject to FOI scrutiny.
But for a hedgefunder to talk about snouts in the trough is hardly appropriate.
Elizabeth
Quite right Betty, MPs and forex traders have the same democratic accountability – couldn’t put it better myself.
I couldn’t give a Forex for anything else really
Fuck off already.
If you haven’t got a point, don’t comment you utter loser.
Hey Politics Matters 10:45, and your point is?
Apart form you are a loser?
You are dolly and I claim my £5 trillion. I stand by my original comment by the way.
You losers are very repetitive, next you’ll get gobby, etc. etc. what’s your point? That’s right you don’t have one because you support a ‘do nothing’ party. Is it deregulate the mortgage market? Is it cut red tape in insurance?
No the best you can muster is inane crude remarks which in the end ‘do nothing’, how appropriate.
Actually it’s called laissez-faire.
politics matters
Not everyone who does not suck up to nulaber is a fucking tory you complete and utter fuckwit.
How many hedge funds define their own rules for expenses accountability to the taxman and how many help themselves to the public purse?
Most MPs by contrast contribute to social good.
Wrong. Most MPs do very little or nothing except stick their snouts in the trough. Most laws come from Europe these days.
Shooting / discrediting the messenger doesn’t work. Go back to LieBore List. You may find the reading more to your taste.
It is when public money is involved.
Okay, so if Guido had previously been a lumberjack would the story have greater importance in your eyes?
If so, why not pretend that Guido used to be a lumberjack? Just think of him swinging his large axe and felling trees in the middle of the Rockies. Does that help?
Oi!!
Just bloody Oi!!!
Did it start in Canada??? I thought it started in America.
Shit-Bag.
The left hate “tree killers”.
A hedgefunder goes into business to make money. That’s fine by me.
Getting screwed by our representatives is not fine. There is a distinction. Do not make excuses for them.
Not all the MPs filled their boots with sofas, porn and bath plugs. Some of them like Philip Hollobone, realised that it was immoral to do so.
It just so happened that the greedy criminal ones that Guido has helped expose are mostly Labour Ministers who are the first to lecture us, tax us and screw us when it suits them.
No hedge funder ever billed me for a bath plug
Hedgies are all consenting capitalists. Not tax collectors. They risk capital for reward. It was risk capital that financed the internet, paid for fibre optic cables to be laid across the oceans, bet billions sometimes winning sometimes losing on the corporations that provide us with the technological wonders that make our world a better place.
The MRI scanner, the technology in the operating theatre that keeps premature babies alive, the new breeds of wheat that have raised food yields for the hungry – blame all that on capitalists.
When did a capitalist loot your wallet?
To be fair Guido – much of it was military byproducts.
Guido,
You are either ignorant, deluded or a liar. What you describe is not a hedge fund. Go back to school. What you describe is a venture capitalist a different beast entirely. Still being a time share salesman probably wasn’t the most enlightening experiences, was it?
Mr Prick
It was indeed – as is the Telfon frying pan, SatNav and even Velcro FFS.
E-commerce on the interweb was developed by the gaming, gambling and porn industries as they saw the opportunity it presented.
Now every business can make use of the brain cells they applied to it all those years ago.
Overall – feels like a good deal to me. And since children can no longer tie shoelaces, thank fuck for Velcro too.
When did a capitalist loot your wallet?
George Soros?
What sanctimonious drivel. You are trying to make out that hedgefunders in general, and Guido in particular, could only profit from the misery of others. This is simply not true. The people who really cause misery for punters are incompetent traditional pension fund managers.
Who told you the banks were in the shit and put their money where their mouths were? Those who could short them, ie the hedgefunders. Would you like to have been warned sooner? You bet you would.
Elizabeth: Hedging is simply a form of insurance.
What’s wrong with that?
“Shorting” merely indicates a view that a stock will fall rather than rise.
Again, what is wrong with that?
I don’t mind leftists opening their mouths – a wider target is easier to shoot – but please don’t talk shite (or as we say in Clapham, “do a reverse Oaten”)
Madam,
Clearly you do not know what a hedge fund is or why we need them. Perhaps you are related to our former Chancellor and temporary Prime Minister? He shares your ignorance.
It was the hedge funds which, for the most part at huge cost to their own investors (and therefore themselves) blew the whistle on the dangerously risky gambling by the investment bankers when Gordon Brown (he now protests) knew nothing about it and even, in his ignorance, boasted of having deprived the Bank of England of its established authority to prevent such abuses.
For the consequences of his ignorance and dereliction of duty (he was too preoccupied with ‘reforming British society’ and using taxation of risky banking practices to fund those fantasies) he now, of course, blames everyone but himself: the banks, the ‘regulators’ which he instituted and… ‘the hedge funds’.
It is almost de rigeur for a socialist rhetorician to blame the hedge funds because (a) hardly any potential Labour voter knows who or what they are, and (b) they are – and they represent the interests of – people with capital and ipso facto both ‘evil’ and an automatic target for uncomprehending, socialist, knee-jerk hatred.
Had the hedge funds not ‘called time’ on him and his friends, Sir Fred Goodwin would still be in post and getting richer at your expense while continuing to wreck the financial services industry, for ’services’ to which Mr Brown knighted him and so many of his associates, one of whom, a tax havens expert, is now a member of Mr Brown’s ‘government’.
Give me an honest hedge fund manager rather than an investment banker – or a hypocritical and ignorant Labour politician – any day.
If you want to hang a financier, go ahead. But make sure you get the bad guy and not the bloke who stopped him from running off with all your money.
Prodicus,
That is a dazzling display of ignorance.
If you were correct, and you’re not, why oh why are all the governments of the world calling for the regualtion of hedge funds?
Politics Matter @ 10.53 am.
All the governments? Those calling for “regualtion” (sic) are mostly composed of “matured” (I use the word advisedly) student Marxist extremists now pretending to be “social democrats” to put a thin veneer of acceptability over the murderous legacy of their political ideology to enable them to remain in power over us and continue to exploit and abuse us.
They jump on this particular bandwagon as a cynical opportunity to further their totalitarian communist aspirations more overtly than having to rely on the stealth of Common Purpose in the infiltration of the civil service, local government and schools.
The leftist commentary here is puerile. No wonder the country has gone to Hell in a handcart with the values of these deranged and inarticulate idiots behind most of the “progressive” policies oppressing us. Where is Harmon_Pride? Why hasn’t that fool spouted his/her/its trash yet?
154 11:33
Nothing to do with Harman_Pride, but Guido got in a flap yesterday because of the the Dan Hannan NHS, David Cameron support problem. He deleted everything and probably blocked Harman_Pride. Guido’s paymasters were very cross.
100. Oh dear. Because it takes the spotlight off the fact that they are venal and incompetent. Same why Goodwin gets done – it was NOT ok, we are told, for him to take his full legitimate pension – but it is fine for MPs to get us to furnish their family homes, buy houses as investments and generally fuck us over to the tune of £100 million per annum, whilst at the same time colluding in James Gordon Fuckwit’s destruction of the economy and the loss of our freedom.
There. That wasn’t that hard, was it, FFS.
Prodicus:
“had the hedge funds not ‘called time’ on him and his friends, Sir Fred Goodwin would still be in post and getting richer at your expense while continuing to wreck the financial services industry, for ’services’ to which Mr Brown knighted him and so many of his associates, one of whom, a tax havens expert, is now a member of Mr Brown’s ‘government’. ”
this, with personalities stripped out, needs emphasizing to those unfamiliar with financial matters, like myself. I did not know this link between cause and effect, and it fills an important hole in the timeline. In the short term, this point if true, helps sheet home blame. (Hooray say the Tories. )
In the longer term (because Labour is going to lose no matter what), if more widely known will limit the scope for any governments future bungling. Hooray say the public (high level Tories hoping to ride a wave of hatred to first past the post untouchable power not quite so pleased as before )
thank you for explaining this. Afghanistan will be won in the villages, not Kabul: this fight will be won in the minds of the public. The enemy is not Labour (who are beat anyway) it is Government as constituted.
“Most MPs by contrast contribute to social good.”
How exactly?
No, really, tell me how MPs contribute? – from where I’m standing they are major (undeserving) recipients of the public purse, who have made, and continue to make life that bit harder for the rest of us – who pay for it all.
The word parasite doesn’t even begin to cover it.
PM -
Because the hedge funds — being on the ball, profitable and above all, successfully C A P I T A L I S T — offend the left-ish ProgCon of such as the risibly impotent and self-congratulatory, self-perpetuating G20 circus, our wannabe world government (har har, yeah, good luck with that).
Because the hedge funds shamed criminally negligent governments when they brought down the Great Boom Without Bust Delusion and with it the source of so much tax revenues. They exposed the politicians’ dereliction of the duties with which they had been entrusted. They showed them up for the useless, deluded, parasitical little Hitlers (or Stalins, take your pick, all the same to me) they are.
Everything I said about Gordon Brown I apply to the Commissars of the EU and to the Clinton/Bush government, to the French and the Germans and to all the socialist and socialism-lite arseholes who insulate themselves (at my expense) from the real world, live in a red-carpeted dream world (at my expense) and are rapidly gathering to themselves the power to force me, with criminal sanctions, to at least behave as though I conform to their iniquitous world view.
Until Labour (etc.) politicians are as honest, and as careful with other people’s money, as hedge funds, they can fuck off — or take the abuse. They volunteered, after all.
Bravo
**APPLAUSE**
@Prodicus
*applause*
Social good? Such as honesty in Parliamentary expenses? We know they’re against that, and there’s no evidence they improve anything except their own bank balances. There may be a few who aren’t vermin, but if so they’re well hidden!
stands and applaudes!!!
@Prodicus,
Another lavish display of ignorance.
You misunderstand the reality spectacularly.
Eithe rway the funny thing is that the hedge funds and the model of wild west financial innovations is over. CaPitAliST or not.
Politics Matters, I concur. Prodicus misunderstands reality.
Reality is the place where the UK is best placed to weather the economic storm and I have saved the world.
@Prodicus
Bravo
You are Dolly Dripper and I claim my £5
Excellent Prodicus…bravo.
Operating a hedge fund is not parasitical; without speculators taking on the risk of say, interest rate shifts, how would other players in the financial world, such as people getting fixed rate mortgages or prices for commodities, be paid those fixed amounts. Speculation arises when there are people with different appetites for, and tolerance, of, risk. It is all part of the division of labour. If speculators really did create no value for anyone, they’d go out of business. In fact, the demise of many hedge funds shows there were too many of them – the shakeout is proof that the market is doing its job.
Forgive me for having a go at you, but your comment is absolutely typical of how a lot of people view finance and markets generally. A lot of people assume that wealth is only wealth if it is something you can drop onto their feet or eat or sit on. They regard any form of middleman or financial intermediary is unnecessary. The financial world is a closed book to them.
What Guido is talking about is politicians abusing taxpayers’s money, not about financial investors using money given to them by other investors with their consent.
This is not exactly a difficult thing to grasp, really.
It is for a moron.
Only extortion appeals to the left.
Remember socialism = Envy + Projection + Narcissism.
They cannot improve society like entrepreneurs do (envy) so the damage they do (narcissism) they blame on others (projection)
I never knew Her Majesty read Guido!
Liz,
Of course you’re joking. What possible relevance does Guido’s occupation (present or former) have to do with MPs fiddling expenses?
MPs contribute to the social good???
The fact that most of them, when queried about the recent revelations re their collective skimming from the public purse, say that no rules have been broken but they do need to be tightened up demonstrates that there is no concept of probity amongst them.
They are a cabal of self-serving, smug swine.
Tu quoque fallacy = FAIL.
Right let’s see, who created these rules? uh huh! who keeps voting against changes to these rules? uh huh! who spends taxpayers money dragging this through the courts to stop Joe Public finding out how his taxes are being pissed up the wall? Seems the only rule change they voted for was the one to ‘legitimise’ their second home scam.
And, by the way, Guido is currently providing better public service than the entire parliament – both houses of sin.
After listening to Jack Smith on R4 today I was left wondering if she brought 2 TVs and washing machines to put one in her sister’s house. But then she wouldn’t do that as it would be fiddling her expenses, I mean allowances and would have to resign.
Why does she need 2 washing machines? Anyone got a copy of the receipts with dates and the location of the company who sold them?
Two washing machines..the answer surely is staring you in the face here! Once you have laundered it then launder it again to cover the tracks…
I do hope it’s someone/some people that have have come out strongly in favour of reform(s). Please let it be a closet fiddler.
Mr Fawkes, is there a sniff of ‘connected persons here?
The day gets better by the minute.
AH (C)
I think Jacqui Smith is suffering from the American problem of “mis speaking”. She said her claim for the TV package was “a bad mistake, it’s an embarrassing mistake”, and added that she felt, “sorry, cross, angry with myself”. She omitted to add “for getting caught.”
Nothing to hide nothing to fear
Details, details…
Jacquie Smith, Home Secretary, referring on BBmakeyourselfComfortable to her mistakes and expense claims: ‘… for some reason, some folk keep focusing on the details..’
Heaven forfend the legal system she is a major part of should ever focus on… the details!
I tried to e-mail our wonderful Home Secretary at her office and tell her what i thought of her but strangely enough it doesn’t work. Hearing her on Radio 4 this morning made me realise just how disgusting she is. The election can not come soon enough….
“Why does she need 2 washing machines?”
I suppose it most be very dirty work being in charge at the Home Office and being part of Browns decaying Government (or what passes for Government).
Perhaps she takes in the cabinet’s laundry and washes Gordon Browns dirty skid marked Y fronts?
To wash the sofa covers.
Bath plug or Butt plug?
She needs two washing machines to launder the expenses.
Mouse – it’s simple.
She didn’t have the sense to buy a decent washing machine (e.g. Siemens) with a 10 year guarantee and proper green credentials.
Instead, being a humble domestic science teacher promoted way beyond her intelligence or ability, she plumped (ha!) for Zanussi crap, which any fool knows only last for two or three years before irreversible death.
Silly moo!
Her Husbands got a siemens, did he get a guarantee?If not he should contact virgin media and get his money back.
“Why does she need 2 washing machines?”
Keeping them hourly Lenored stops Dick’s undergarments from crackling at functions?
Or she is a hopeless follower through.
One washing machine was for her second home or principal residence and the other for her sister’s rented boxroom, clearly. Ditto idem the two TV screens, did she also buy two 88p bathplugs, I think we should be told.
His’n'hers obviously.
As they may possibly have as much as ten bellies between them, one machine is obviously not enough to get a week’s supply of “smalls” into.
wouldnt her sister have one anyway?
Mr Thick
It does seem strange that she needs two of anything since she is meant to live with her sister who I assume would watch TV and wash her clothes whether Ms Smiff lived there or not.
She was pathetic on Today – Mr Humphreys was good but not skewering enough for my tastes.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7987000/7987120.stm
Thats a bit insensitive.
Haven’t you seen the size of her thong?
Her thong would have to be made out of anchor rope.
Pretty much guarantee the other is in a London bedsit at an undisclosed location for security purposes you understand but you might have seen the place on the International telly on 300+ stations.
Don’t forget by the way Jacqboots sister works for none other than THE BBC!
Two washing machines … one for each wanker in the household.
Once you’ve outed them Guido, can I have them?
I’d love to bite their ears off and put them into a soup or something.
Oi, Elizabeth, I’ll bite your ears off too…!
Liz how many hedge funders got bailed out with public cash?
A number of hedge funds were fronts for the cascade of off balance sheet entities created by invesment banks in the UK and US. These hedge funds were created by the banks, capitlaised by banks, staffed by banks, had their trading done by the banks and when they crashed were in some cases reabsorbed in to the banks which then drew on government money in various ways. In addition this process is still unfolding with many losses not crytalised yet.
The tumour is still growing and the treatment is overdue. The hysterically funny thing is observing lunatics like you and Guido having faith still in the monumental scam that has been the shadow banking system of hedge and private equity funds. They were in the main overleveraged and are now deleveraging. Because of that deleveraging the economy is in a tail spin. In the midst of the tail spin the government has to support the financial mechanism and create demand through government spending. It’s a new dawn, dinosaurs like you have seen their day.
So the Chief Exec of UK plc (Gordon Brown) didn’t see any of this coming? He pumped the markets for all they were worth. Are you dolly in disguise? He seems to be being given the elbow on his organ.
The main ‘overleveraging’ in the markets was in property, and domestic property at that.
Commercial property prices have already fallen to roughly their true market value, and it is only a matter of time before domestic property prices follow suit, no matter how the politicians bluster and fiddle and create artificial credit to try to shore up this impossible fantasy.
With average earnings of around £20,000, the average house price should, to be financed prudently, be no more than £80,000 or so. When the house prices fall to that level, we can start to build a sustainable financial system, with prudent lending policies and responsible borrowing.
Yes, I know ‘prudence’ is McTwat’s word – it would have been nice if he’d ever shown any.
Absolutely spot on. If the likes of Warren Buffett cannot figure out derivatives can anybody? It’s not for nothing he called them financial weapons of mass destruction.
So what exactly was Brown doing about all this for the ten years that he was Chancellor? That’s right – raking in the tax receipts to make the books look good.
Either Brown did not know what was going on, which – as Chancellor – would make him a total incompetent; or he did know and milked the system for all the taxes he could while he could, which doesn’t show him in too great a light either.
Bearing this shocking mismanagement of the economy in mind, what sort of idiot actually believes that he will do the correct thing now?
a ‘new dawn’?? FFS…
Thank you for not refuting one word of my comment.
Gordon Brown’s view on the process is clear, he promoted light regulation of the financial markets and he was wrong, which error he shared with the Conservatives, who actually were calling for more deregulation, for example deregulation of the mortgage market.
What is David Cameron’s view on the abuses? It seems to be mainly keep quiet and deflect as much as possible away from his mates the bankers and hedge fund managers.
Ah yes, the Treasurer of the conservative Party and his main fund raisers include spread betters, hedge fund CEO’s and nonresident tax exiles, Spencer, Fink Wheeler Ashcroft.
By the end of 2008 in western banks 125,000 finance jobs had gone, in total 300,000 or more will go.
It’s over, get out of the way you dinosaurs.
you really are a wanker of the highest order.
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You are a predictable empty dinosaur loser, get over yourself.
Such a sticky predictable pattern you follow, summed up by ‘do nothing’.
cock
“The main ‘overleveraging’ in the markets was in property, and domestic property at that.”
Bollocks twice. So Woolies was “domestic property”…? This lie exists to prevent the exposure of one giant scam which leveraged a prior giant scam, and they are so good they both need to be protected – namely that a few banksters realized they could join in with the enterprise of the creation of fiat money, previously the preserve of central banksters.
Politics matters – Redwood actually addresses the deregulation of the mortgage market point. He highlighted the fact that regulating the mortgage market wouldn’t stop the crisis but stricter controls on banks’ capital requirements (which the Tories advocated) would have done.
Cyco Billy,
Correct
I’m stunned.
But would add they (the banksters) have such a strangle hold that the state is now bailing them out.
In the midst of that monumental theft we have themes like this MP allowance Lewinsky saga, suck on suckers and don’t forget to swallow.
Do fuck off dolly-havnt you got a home to go to.
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Guido, You old scrubber and sock puppet, get a back bone.
You’re sick with envy of Draper, but it’s a mystery, really. Just because he can make mincemeat of you doesn’t mean much, anyone can, you’re such a fat bellied tart.
You didn’t answer my question, Politics Matters.
Exactly what part of Brown’s economic track record gives you the confidence that he is doing the right thing now?
What is it about the hideous mess he has made of the UK’s finances that you think qualifies him to put things right?
The Tories didn’t follow the same deregulation line – they wanted the mortgages to be light touch but cash and capital to be regulated correctly and tightly. That would have helped to prevent the insane spree which has brought most of our banks to the state they are in now.
PM you are a total hoon of the highest order.
i bet you believe that people shorting the banks is the reason for the stock market crash as well.
Off balance sheet entities…and which Chancellor of the Exchequer resisted the Sarbannes-Oxley accounting regualtions for British corporations, thus allowing these entities to flourish and hide his own PFI profligacy?
Clue: He eats his own bogies.
Cyco Billy – Woolies went under because they worked on miniscule margins and ran out of working capital – not because they were overleveraged.
They were merely unfortunate victims of the idiocy that Blair and Brown promoted – as will thousands of other businesses be.
There’s no simple answer to these problems (yes – they are global), but there is a legitimate debate to be had on the solution, and on how to ensure the scenario isn’t repeated, and I believe (based on conversations with a retired BoE regulator) that sound personal finance and a drop in house prices is the only sustainable solution.
We’re all still fucked though :o(
Meanwhile the real economy disappears up its own backside, manufacturing in UK has shrunk by 15% in last year. This can’t go on without serious public sector cutbacks.
But who will swing the axe?
DC?
We obviously cannot fiscally afford anything like the wage size of our current public sector – let alone service the massive & growing & unfunded pensions.
It is the new class divide – those with a public sector job & those who have to slave to pay for them.
Just when did the tail start wagging the dog?
When did the wealth creating productive side of the economy become a slave to the unproductive & non productive side?
Without the public sector a private sector alternative would soon crop up.
Even the most rudimentary of calculations can tell you how bad it is & is going to get – maybe the great elite know this which is why they are shamelessly filling their boots with our cash & creating non jobs to buy votes.
What happens when the parasite out-grows its host? We are about to find out.
But who will swing the axe?
The IMF, stupid!!
It was pointed out by Labour that going to the IMF does not have the same stigma attached to it as before.
OH YES IT FUCKING WELL DOES!!!
And which party will have been there twice and at the fag end of their respective administrations
THE LABOUR PARTY.
Just in case you missed that
THE LABOUR PARTY
Kill the Quangos
£125 billion per annum
Unelected
Unnaccountable.
Kill the Quangos. Starting with the RDAs
I agree with the others, the IMF would have a say about how the UK spends IMF money.
C’mon everybody, let’s borrow our way out of debt!
Public sector reductions which were needed for over 10 years instead of the insane spending splurge on client groups by Labour – idiots incompetents and criminals.. no wonder they removed the death penalty for treason.
Would this be the taxed income of Parliamentary staff you are referring to?
This is all an honest mistake. Even a year after the offence it is suddenly acceptable to repay the theft and all is forgiven. Not many criminals get that soft treatment.
Crime. Crime. And being the cause of Crime.
Every one who appears in front of the beak should try that one just to make a point. get collared for theft and say you will of course pay the money back.
Apparently they DO like it up ‘em.
That wanker Geoff Hoon wasn’t using a spoon
When found digging deep in the trough.
He was using his thumb
Extracted deep from his bum
No wonder he started to cough.
They do from me!
whens my turn master
Your turn’s coming.
They’re heating the poker now.
Wait for it, Brown, you snivelling little git!
I’m still bloody waiting!! – where are ye? (17:33)
Is that you Dad?
The kowp is fair stappit with jobbies!
Wot?
Scots for A big steaming pile of shoite! As in a description of MP’s and there behaviour to the taxpayer.
Elizabeth, you’re a moron. What exactly is wrong with hedge funds? Go on, tell us.
Although there are a number of definitions of hedge funds (largely because so many financial organisations are so described by the ignorant) the most basic definition is that hedge funds hedge their bets, i.e. they try and take risk out of investment decisions.
Just because hedge funds have become a decoy for the political and media talking heads to take the flak that should rightly be directed at incompetence doesn’t mean that there is anything, anything at all, wrong with them.
Elizabeth – it’s funny how its the banks (regulated) – that supply liquidity to the system – that have gone bust and have had to be bailed out with trillions for fear of bringing down the whole financial system, yet the hedge funds (unregulated) – that supply liquidity to the system too – have not.
How do you explain that?
Liz probly gets her “news” from Al-BBC and is thus hopelessly ignorant.
Time for action
How about a rolling program of noisy a demonstrations outside the house/ contstituency offices of offending M.P,s
Placades such as
Resign now.
You Are a Thief,
You are A Disgrace to the people you represent
- resign
betcha the police would find an excuse to bring out the riot shields under the terroist act…..
But they’re being robbed as well. Mind you, they have a shedload of other methods of supplementing their incomes.
I don’t think we will all fit outside Smiths, Badgers , Fondlebums, McBusts , copper testicles and Hoons abodes.
can we not protest outside parliament. Oh forgot they banned that as well.
The Court of public opinion and the ginger chipmunk are quiet these days?
Elizabeth,
Stop listening to Vince Cable.
The man is a small time opportunist who knows nothing & will never be in any position of power.
Regards
RRW (mrs)
Why bring Chancer Cable into a grown-up discussion about markets? He’s a LibDem ballroom dancer, for Pete’s sake. Fine hobbies, both, though, and they do keep him out of serious politics.
Hypocritical bloody lumberjacks.
Guido you old scrubber, get on the deck and make it shine!
Then splice the main brace and give Dan Hannan a rub down.
Don’t forget the NHS.
Don’t you mean the National Death Service?
Behave like this in the private sector and if the employer didn’t sack you, HMRC would at the very least tax you. But of course most of these Hon Ladies and Gentleman (oxymoron) are unemployable in the private sector.
Say any of this at a local level and watch the knives come out to carve up your reputation.
The system is so corrupt, flawed and distorted the only way forward is to empty then jet hose this septic tank without delay.
Labour is completely corrupt, but this is far far worse than we feared…
Mr Star
I must confess that their creative accounting practices have surprised me.
Laundering expenses is I fear not as appalling as cash-for-amendments in the Lords which appears to have been kicked into the long grass.
I find it incredible and truly depressing that things have got so bad in Couldn’t-Make-It-Up Land that fraud on this collosal scale hasn’t brought the Government down never mind not a single resignation.
Oh yes and we’re in so much shit that the banks have been nationalised and our national debt is so large that I will need to buy a calculator with more zeros on it FFS.
This is all the problem with our lovely 2 party system, there is no real choice, they both scam, both in and out of office, worse when they in office.
The only choice is to spread the word about ‘ Jury Team ‘ that have been advertised on here and reclaim democracy from the crooks of ZaNuLab and the not far behind crooks of Mr Cameron!
If scamming ( abusing the rules for MP’s expenses) is so widespread at the top of government, does this mean that corruption is endemic throughout the food chain?
Absolutely. A few well targeted rfi of your local council or even more fertile ground, your regional assembly about salaries and expenses will amaze even the most cynical observer.
This is what you do best. Keep digging!
O/T The contract for ID cards has been given to IBM for 265 million
Just what we need right now
I seem to recall IBM played a part in the systemic destruction of the Jews on behalf of the German government of the day, they’re ( IBM ) not proud, Nazi’s, ZaNuLabor, doesn’t really matter just keep the cash coming in!
I’ve just put in my tender for mass barcode tattooing – Jacqui is going to market it as a fashion statement ;o)
All we need now is for the software development to be handed to one of the ‘Big 5′ consultancies and a gigantic IT project failure is assured. Again.
The government will just laugh at any software tender that’s less than 100 million, even if the real cost by a competent IT company would be 100grand.
Less than a certain amount and they won’t want to know.
It’s weird; it’s like they’re deliberately trying to get the worst possible value for the tax payer.
I’m in I.T., and I know the real costs of these things by competent people; and I’m telling you that most software, even the really large/complex stuff, can easily be designed/written/tested/released for under a million quid and within 12 months if it’s done by decent people, and often it only really needs a handful of such people.
Get the right people, and you can cut the government IT budget by 99% overnight.
The government also don’t bother to consider using/creating open source, and instead go for the option of binding themselves into insanely expensive maintenance contracts because of that.
It’s soul destroying watching 100’s of millions being thrown down the toilet when you know full well that it could easily be done for 1% of the cost if only the government had any idea what they were doing.
Don’t be a fool.
The government want large contract amounts to hide the party and personal kickbacks in.
It’s all shamelessly corrupt.
Trying to get any of IBM’s software working properly, on time and free of pain is an exercise that would try even Buddha. Good luck with that one, ha ha ha.
I B M – It’s being mended.
Anybody see Jacqui 5 bellies Spliff on Sky News this morning.
She was trying to justify her bath plug etc on the point that she was very busy and working hard and badly needed two houses.
Fat, useless and incompetent.
looking at the troughing bitch she obviously does not use the bath that much so why need a plug?
Cruel IMF, cruel.
http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=110639
It seems like Jacqboots is being hung (out to dry). First she appears on BBC Breakfast, where Kate Silverton changes the subject to expenses. Next it’s Toady, where she gets 5 minutes more on her specialist subject, followed by Sky News for more of the same. Her kipper’s been stitched… does it smell Mandyslimey? Meanwhile, it seems Gordon lacks the Balls (if only…!) to tell her face to face to go, so it’s back-to-back interviews instead. Perhaps the link on the Home Office website to Japanese porn was just another hint…
As “Our Jacq” says on the streets of Redditch when she’s there – ‘The view of my constituents is important and I need to be able to look them in the eye and say that whilst I very much regret the oversight of claiming for the TV package,which I immediately repaid, once I was rumbled er sorry I mean when it was brought to my attention I have done nothing wrong and my allowances are within the rules. Anyone fancy a “Barbie” tonight – my patio heaters work a treat !!!!!! ‘
Wonder if ‘we’re’ paying market rates?
Guido,
Its been an hour.
Who is in the frame for this latest outrage?
Who is on this committee to review MPs expenses anyhow?
Cant they devote themselves full-time to the job to get it done quickly… or are they too busy doing other jobs as well, with this being a nice wee earner on the side (plus expenses).
They’re learning the tips of the trade.
Perhaps this Committee should be made up of middle of the road UK taxpayers….
I would gladly do the job one day a week for a reasonable pay – and would not rip of the expenses…..
As someone used to detecting fraudsters and having them imprisoned – I feel exceptionally qualified for the job…
Enjoyment of the hunting down and ruthless exposure of thieving MPs has rightly become a new fascination for nearly all of us.It is some (though small) compensation for the contempt these troughers obviously hold the Public in.I am happy to shout my pleasure from the rooftops every time another Hoon is uncovered.There will of course be no resignations when the explosive details are officially published but many careers will be ended at the next election.I hear the sound of the Tumbrils approaching
There’ll be a re-arrangement of snouts around the trough, but little real improvement. They’ll fudge the rules again, pretend to have cleaned up their act and carry on much as before, probably with less disclosure. Too much reward for not enough risk. Perhaps the public should be allowed to hold a weekly vote for a politician to be executed on prime time television.
You may have something there, but I still think the best- and ultimate use of the Big Brother House should be as a place for the worst of the worst of these troughers- ie the war criminals who have taken this country to war on a false premise.
The death penalty is far too good for them. Let’s see the likes of Blair, Brown, Bush etc in the BB house, preferably on a far-off island, given pointless tasks and humiliated for the rest of their days.
No evictions (unless there is a groundswell of opinion after a good thirty years) and no mercy. Make them eat shit food and argue with each other, all under the gaze of the BB cameras, broadcast globally.
We may then understand what motivates the fuckers- and learn from it. Therefore as a species we may be able to finally move on.
The whole thing stings, but like I write elsewhere ( http://anon126.blogspot.com/2009/04/mps-renting-out-property-to-thier-own.html ) it places the staff in a bad position….like Guido says, would you want to rent from your boss?
more than that, the MPs are getting taxpayer cash to buy and equip the house, and get taxpayers money in rent…the staffers are being paid out of their expenses….form the taxpayer!
good work Guido….I look forward to developments !!!!
The great wheeze of course is by swapping 1st and 2nd homes you get another opportunity to refurbish and refurnish the other one. Property development on the taxpayer; you couldn’t make it up.
Don’t forget swapping for CGT purposes.
AJC
We don’t pay CGT on our 2nd homes.
The Breakfast performance was stunning. Jackboot had obviously been primed and that made the squirming and peurile whitewash attempt even more laughable. Her claims that the figures are wrong & the detail incorrect show the utter contempt the voting public are held in.
A bent nail is still a bent nail whatever its length and there are about 650 of them in the house of commons.
Yes – I still remember her plaintive, repeated claim on ‘Jug-ears on Sunday’ that she ‘did not claim the maximum’, and it turned out that she was just £56 pounds under it!
I’ve just heard the Toady interview. Unconvincing or what? Incompetence on an industrial scale. It wasn’t me, I should have been told about it earlier. No. NO. NO!!! SHE and her porn-viewing office manager made the claim. Touring the studios with pitiful excuses just makes it a whole lot worse. If I hear the cry “but I acted within the rules and the spirit of the rules…” I won’t be responsible for my actions. Whoever advised her to take this course of action presumably shares our wish to see the back of her. It’s high time we were rid of this pathetic, ridiculous, stupid apology for a minister. McBust clearly has no balls to do the decent thing and remove her. Courage? Ha ha ha…..
Aer you forgetting that her porn viewing husband was watching GAY PORN
Watch for the red dot on the forehead, Guido, and stay away from the windows. If you have an overweight northerner in the office, place him somewhere prominent wearing recognisable items of your clothing.
Good idea, TT – the Berkeley sweatshirt stretched over a doubled mattress might work…
If no mattress is available, a cardboard cutout of the Home Secretary would be an ample substitute.
I thought Guido was half Hindu, so a red dot would be par for the course.
Oy!
.. or one o’ them 650 quid cardboard cutout coppers the Met is touting around the High Street.
Borrow Draper for the day. Though, speaking as a Northerner, the man is a disgrace to his origins.
Could “The Beast” not be used?
It’s quite clear that ht Home Secretary needs two washing machines; a normal type for her ’second’ home, and a large, industrial model for laundering her expenses.
No a large industrial one for her cacks!!!!!!!!
The industrial one could also be used for washing the carpet after one of Richard Timneys late night porn watching sessions..!
… late night GAY porn watching sessions..
All modern people who decide to want to be GoverNazis of the larger-party-sort (‘coz of more perks in real time today while the fun lasts) are socialists.
It has been clear to me since the days of Wilson and Heath, when I was still almost a child, that socialists are always in the end caught with their hands in the till. In those days, Tories were caught with their trousers down, and – horror of horrors – in the company of _women_ …such as Profumo, Lambton and the like. At least these had the grace to resign, in the days when so shag the wrong (woman) was a resigning matter (Prescottish oat cakes anyone?)
Since Stalinism is about power, today’s crop don’t resign: they are there of course because they know what is best for us.
Profumo resinged becasue in the middle of extremely heightened tensions of possible nuclear war with the Soviet block he was whoring with a womona who was providing the same services to the military attache of the Russian embassy in London. Profumo went on to lie to the House about the relationship repeatedly and resigned because of those lies. Funny that your miserable ignorance should go on to drivvling about Stalinism, try reading a book, start with Noddy.
The point is that Profumo did resign.
It’s less a point about party politics than “‘the times they are a changing” as that singer chappie once said. One on the (many) gripes that many people have about the present political class is that they refuse to take responsibility for their actions.
And of course even if they do resign the bastards come back as unelected Ministers.
Bloody hell PM – you’ve got your facts right for once!
More, please – and less of the nonsense you usually spout ;o)
This is just an astroturf spiv funded Aunt Sally/Monica Lewinsky distraction for suckers like you. You can swallow it if you want but the rest of us won’t and aren’t fooled.
What about real issues, like the future of the NHS?
No, not from the ‘do nothing’ Conservatives.
Why is this a “distraction” PM?
Is it because the tax paying suckers like myself are finally able to see how ministers are screwing us, and it upsets your NuLab, Pravda driven view of the world?
Grow up and wake up.
yes the future of the NHS, another corrupt system where the lefties at the top of the tree are filling there boots. your still a wanker.
184 11:56
You are a predictable spouter of nothing with added immature crudities, big deal, we are not bothered by losers like you. You cause nothing but pity, pick yourself up man, get off your knees, don’t be like Guido.
no, of course your not bothered about the ordinary person in the street, only the people who can fill your pockets, are you in the public sector, do my taxes contribute to your wages, what makes your thoughts and ideals any more important than mine, you only have to open your eyes and look around to see the state this country is in, NHS failing, Crime Prevention failing, unemployment through the roof (i include incapacity benefits in that), Education failing..the list goes on, your government has been in power for 12 years, 12 fucking years and you still blame the Tories, grow up and accept your corrupt cabinet has got it fucking wrong.
Resigned?
What’s that all about then?
Can we have some please?
Well said #210.
These socialists can never accept the blame.
We never heard the end of “18 years of Tory rule”.
Yet, 12 years doesn’t seem to have been enough time to achieve ANYTHING in this country.
There have been lots of announcements, usually ending in absolutely no action, or the opposite of what was intended.
We had the minimum wage to demonstrate to the rest of the world how rampantly ineffficent we are, meaning that we now produce nothing of value except professional scroungers (whose only work seems to be to trudge to the polling booth on election day, and try and work out which word on the polling sheet says “Labour”, cause it means free money).
On the other hand, our country is overflowing with immigrants (it’s not scaremongering – if having schools where NO CHILD has English/Welsh/Scots/Gaelic as a primary language is not over-the-top immigration, then I don’t know what qualifies).
The left have – as is their peculiar hallmark – ruined the country, and left the others to pick up the pieces yet again.
And still they are here banging on about the Tories – the same Tories who repaired this country after Labour brought it to its knees in the 1970s.
And now, the worst of all – the stealing of vast amounts of taxpayers’ money to either feather their own nests’ or those of their banker friends who have monuMENTALly messed up. And still the so-called Left want to vote them into power.
From this it is clear that political ideology matters not to people like Brown, Draper, Mandelslime and the rest of this NuLabour crew – all that matters to them is avarice and power.
VOTE THEM OUT!
Mummy, where does tax come from?
politics matters says
“What about real issues, like the future of the NHS?”
Your nulaber cronies poured billions of *extra” cash into the NHS and it is killing more people than ever.
Now fuck off back to Tuscany.
A SpokesPerson at 10 Drowning (in Debt) Street has issued the following statement :
Statement begins
‘Regarding the Prime Mentalist’s rocket and satellite – which may, or may not, be orbiting overhead, – He believes it, and that’s all that matters!
Regarding the Former Cook’s expenses, burger bar, and TakeAway stall, – she got the films solely to see whether customers squirted their sauce INTO their burger or ONTO it, – purely for research purposes.
The League of HaHaHaPerson Prudes will smash up anyone saying otherwise.
That’s all’
Now bugger off.
Should that be a SpokesPorkPerson at 10 …………….
Spokesporkson, if you please…
Oink oink!!
Old Jacqboots Smith liked to milk the public
But stopped when McBroon rang the bell.
So she grabbed her own tits
With both of her mitts
And proceeded to milk them as well.
Five Bellies has two tellies,
Paid for by the mugs,
She puts in claims for her hubby,
So he can have a tug.
There once was a tart named Jacqboot
Who thought her expenses a hoot
Two washing machines
And some lewd porno scenes
All helped her to trouser the loot
This could be the start of a great new thread all to itself.
Jonah McBroon came to Old London Toon
To try and ruin us all.
Using only one eye
He unzipped his fly
And found he had only one ball.
There was an old scrote called Hoon
Who was given a job by McBroon
He fiddled his books
To fit in with the crooks
But regrets he was found out so soon.
There once was a fat slag called Jacqui,
Who used to smoke backy that was wacky,
She got all forlorn,
When her hub turned to porn,
And defrauded the taxpayer of cashy!
A Labour MP named Hoon
Met Gordon Brown the total loon
He said ‘Timney’s a perv
‘And it’s all we deserve
‘To be fucked with a runcible spoon.’
And she started a subscription service on the Home Office Website – “Oriental Schoolgirls Go Anal” – to get a few more quid in before she’s sacked.
Richard Timney was amongst the first to subscribe. He asked for a receipt.
Gordon Brown is a cock,
To all the banks he is in hock,
His every waking thought is us,
On the Clapham Common omnibus.
Ol’ McBroonie Had a Farm…
Ee eye ee eye o!
And on that Farm he had a Smiff..
Eee eye ee eye o!
With a tug tug here and a tug tug there
Here a tit there a tit everywhere a big tit
Ol’ McBroonie had a Farm….
Oh Dear, Mr Farmer appears to have poo’d his nappy….
Time for Nanny to change you, Dear!
There once was a porker called Smith
Who really enjoyed a spliff
She smoked it indoors
Because of the laws
So the Police wouldn’t get a whiff
She was a bit of a phoney
And her husband was lonely
So he used to pull his pud
She would put in a claim
Again and again
Simply because she could
Very good, though not sure how many marks you’d be awarded for how it scans, GG.
Don’t bother me just now. I’ve got a lot on my hands.
Is the numbering screwed?
No
Thanks.
ahr yoo shure?
A few years ago I was involved in setting up the website http://www.w4mp.org which has become the de facto recruitment site for MPs and political organisations. The majority of jobs on there today offer no pay for researchers. Go and look at the examples, a lot are just for sandwich or travel money.
However, we know that Jacqui’s husband gets 40K. Can someone go through the numbers and see whether the average salary of non-family is the same as the average salary of family. This is a simple apples with apples comparison and should show once and for all whether they are on the take or as fair and sound as they make out….
Good idea. Guido do you have a highly paid cousin or something that could look into this?
I see David Lammy MP wants a new Intern/Gofer, no salary and no expenses whatsoever. You’d be working for absolutely nothing.
I thought slavery had been abolished.
The legal action against the members of Milan council recently was based on just such a premise – the difference between what the mayor greased his mates with, compared to what his non-mates received by way of stipend. the action stuck, too.
What does he spend his staff allowance on then?
Staffing Allowance £93,013 (102nd) £83,397 (356th) £84,112 £79,941 (45th) £74,985 (joint 8th) £72,196 (36th) £62,444 (11th)
Disgraceful, hasn’t he heard of the minimum wage? Oh yeah, that doesn’t work.
It’s to help him think. He’s not very good at it, you see.
Like a Victorian mill owner paying his tenanted workers in their own coin to pay back in rent and spend in their tied shops.
Tommy Shop is the term.
Truck shop, at least in South Wales
Quite right
Truck Act 1831
The first of several acts of parliament preventing the abuse by which factory owners paid their workers with ‘truck’ (goods instead of cash) or with tokens to be used in a specified shop (the ‘tommy shop’). The acts made it illegal to pay wages for manual labour in anything other than currency of the realm. An amendment of 1960 allowed for payment by cheque or into a bank account.
What’s wrong with “truck”?
It seems a lot better than being paid in McDooms “eased” pounds.
Employment Rights Act 1996, ss.13-27
*NEWSFLASH*
Tamil protesters threaten to jump in the Thames “en-masse” if they’re not allowed to speak to McBroon.
Jump then
Yes, I heard an army of EU Health & Safety Officers are rushing to the scene to inform them of their folly.
Don’t they read the papers – there is a “New World Order” and Brown is far too busy to see them – he’s busy saving the world for them !!!!!
Perhaps Gordon Brown could errrr “meet them” on the bridge?
Two birds, one stone n all
Will they take him with them?
141 – Are they right in the head? Have they not heard of the curse of McJonah? He is the last one that they want/need on their side – if he vists them on the bridge, they will all end up getting wet/drowned anyway.
On the other hand so might McJonah……..Go meet them Brown.
Does anyone know what’s happened to Stanislav’s blog recently? It seems to have died.
Hedley, your answer is he’s appearing on these pages – see comment 176 for a nearby example – pure genius!
:)
Go for it Guido, keep on their tails.
It’s important that in these economically difficult times as we deal with the consequences of the global recession which started in America in the summer of 2007 that we don’t dwell endlessly the negative aspects of life. Instead of endless negative stories pumped out by the Daily Mail and other Tory newspapers we should celebrate and gain contentment from some of the fine successes and achievements of the last 12 years (yes there have been many). Dr Drapers recently published book (which I can highly recommend and is available on Amazon) covers at some length the great benefits of positive thinking and self contentment. We have all enjoyed the great prosperity and success of the last 12 years which have been unprecedented in British economic history and now the sea has become a little choppy thanks to economic turbulence and recklessness overseas. We do however have a truly awesome Prime Minister who will put us back on track and bring the ship safely into harbour. A little pain and hardship now will result in further great success in the future.
So lets have no more endless negativity things really aren’t so bad after all.
yes they are.
Dr. Draper!
That’s genius.
I bought my Berkeley MBA off the internet for £9.99 – the same place that “Doctor” purchased his i should imagine.
Harman_Pride, the C21st Dave Spart!
Everyone enjoys good satire, H_P. All credit to you if you can type this stuff whilst keeping a straight face.
Saucy.
Are you really the person previously commenting as Harman_Pride?
You seem to be too stupid.
Perhaps a bump on the head.
If you would be kind enough to put up the youtube link to Dan Hannan making an ass of himself over the NHS, that would be a great help.
So, is Cameron in favour of the NHS, or does he agree with Midshipman Dan Hannan?
Hmmm, none of your comments particularly matter, do they Tom?
Silly Midshipman Hannan is speaking for himself, not Cameron who has often said how strongly he supports the NHS!
Stand by for Hannan to get kicked in the goolies in due course!
Pleased you’ve mentioned Dan Hannan. Over 2 MILLION people have watched his speech to your great leader now.
Check it out PM, you might learn something.
read Hannan’s comments on localism and NHS funding in his book “The Plan” – makes sense, will work, and a real alternative……….
I’m sorry, but since when has Derek Draper been a doctor?
We’re not even sure he’s a psychologist yet!
“Dr Drapers recently published book (which I can highly recommend and is available on Amazon) covers at some length the great benefits of positive thinking and self contentment”
It’s quite easy to “think positive” and be content with oneself when one’s nose is firmly in the trough.
Let us never forget the hubristic, arrogant Draper bragging about he could sell access to politicians.
The man has – and deserves – no respect.
Sell access to politicians? Are you saying dolly is a whore?
No. A pimp, or for those of a classical frame of mind, a procurer.
Draper why are you posting on here as Harman_Pride .Doctor -dont make me laugh you bought it on the internet you greasy haired limp wristed cnutting futter.
Guido stop it, don’t sock puppet Anton, look at your belly.
Sorry guys its all a mistake.I have reread the letter and it says that I doctored my qualifications.When I first read it I thought it meant that I now had a doctorate .Silly me.
You are addressing the wrong audience here.
I am sure that if you are an expenses cushioned, 75% of the hard work legislation done in Brussels, Westminister politician; things really aren’t so bad after all. (Any votes for a pay reduction to match the reduced work load? Thought not.)
Pity you did not address these comments to one of the few posters, Just a Punter, on Labourlist yesterday. I feel sure as an ex Labour party carer he would be as delighted to see them as we are.
Is the recommendation for Dr Draper’s book as being suitable for propping up wonky tables or for use as emergency supplies in the dunny?
Bravo!
This is an epiphanic moment: having read this, I have just realised that it was Professor Derek Draper, not Gordon Brown, who was responsible for making Britain the Great Nation that it is today.
I would personally like to thank Sir Derek for single-handedly delivering 12 years of prosperity and success.
Thank you, your Lordship.
Great spoof H_P
Bravo!
“we should celebrate and gain contentment from some of the fine successes and achievements of the last 12 years (yes there have been many).”
Iraq.
Torture.
Guantanamo.
The murder of Dr David Kelly.
Islamic bombing of London.
The bankrupting of Britain.
Fucking Hurrah.
Is Mr Timney a Faun then……?
No that’s Mr Tumnus, you Dork!
I always thought Socialists wanted to be The National Mill Owner, but this takes it one fraudulent, money-grubbing step further.
Along with the NMO point, I have also been convinced that Socialists hated the “elite” not because they wanted to remove the concept of the “elite” – even though they told that to their “useful idiots” – but because the Socialists themselves wanted to become the elite. They coveted the position and once they get there, they become compulsive ladder-kickers who want a vast lumpen illiteriat kept down and dumb to be patronised at their leisure.
Without followers, there are no Leaders
without leaders there are no followers, McFuckwit excepted of course who is neither one or has any of the other.
could someone find out where the office is that the labour proles are based and how they are funded?
Did Fagin have one eye? Or am I getting my dens of thieves confused?
Not to stop the band wagon rolling, or anything, but will someone do a nice A-Z of MPs with a simple assessment of ‘on the take’ or not.
Is there an honest MP in the house?
only on the labour side
He said “honest” not “horniest”.
Is Prezza still an MP for that matter?
I am not horny and because my pussy has not be used for so long it has now become haunted
Diogenes with his lantern is still searching for an honest one.
Cutting, Raven, cutting.
I’m off back in my barrel now ;o)
RE: Politics Matters
Apart from Conway and Spelman, both of them Conservatives, smell that Cameron they did break the rules and what have you done, nothing, in line with the ‘do nothing’ policy
Sense no makes, it, afraid, am I.
Breaking news
The late Robin Cook and John Smith have submitted claims for Tomb stone polishing.
The parliamentary watchdog has said that whilst within the rules it is still a grave matter.
laughed so much i spat out my scat
FFS don’t these Labour Hoons ever learn?
“when you are in a hole stop digging!”
See look at me Im a doctor now and better than you tory boys.I have been studying the works of a great German doctor and hope to reach the same status as him.I think his name was Dr Mengele or something .
I think his name was Dr Mengele or something?
Close, it was Dr Manglebum
Anymore remarks like that Toryboy and you’ll be hearing from my Solicitors I dont know what I’ve done to provoke such vicious attacks but its really started to upset Kate and its putting off my wealthy medical clients.
Have you given Kate an STD yet?
If you haven’t been able to vomit yet have a listen to Jacqui Tits on Today this morning. It starts 2hrs and 22 minutes in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00jcv7r/Today_07_04_2009/
she has my full confidence
I liked the bit where she said “people don’t understand all the ins and outs of [my expenses]” – blogged at http://www.aaaaargh.wordpress.com
complete crap – I get expenses if I have to be away from home – if this includes semi-permanent accomodation there is a set rentl limit (variable with pay grade and family size) , a fixed allowance for furniture rental plus 100% of utility patyments – and thats it. Claiming for “john lewis” items is complete crap
PricedOut has lobbied MPs for several years for more affordable housing.
All they give in return is shared ownership schemes and other measures to prop up house prices.
The recent revelations about the way MPs use their expenses could explain their attitude.
First, they are insulated from the realities of modern life. They don’t have to worry about housing costs so they don’t really get it when other people do.
Second, their interest in Buy To Let has probably contributed to a lack of oversight in the recent massive BTL expansion that led to an oversupply of poorly built flats and an undersupply of family homes.
It’s important that on this issue and many others MPs are made to understand what life is like for the average UK citizen.
All subsidy will ever do is increase the price. You need an LVT -> CD and nothing else.
O/T Just checked the VOA Website for council tax bandings for Downing Street. Both Broons and Darlings residences are shown as Band H. Good we thought, until you find out that Westminster only charge £1375.24 per annum for a Band H property. Just checked my council for a Band H, and it’s a staggering £3237. Bunch of Hoons.
That would be because the Conservatives run Westminster and it’s jolly efficient and has always been cheaper than many. Which is nice.
Perhaps Westminster could find me a nice free flat as well. Just went checking Broons Dunfermline Council Tax (presuming his house is in the constituency) and find that Fife only charge £2236 for a band H. Reality check anyone!!!
That is half of my bill – and I live in the middle of nowhere, no obvious migrant intake, no swathes of council housing and a few oldies.
What on earth do they spend it all on if Westminster can do it for £1375??!?!
If anyone else would like to see how much their MP can claim back (I think) for their Council Tax, and if you can find out their address, then go to http://www.voa.gov.uk/ to find their banding, followed by the local council to find the relevant cost.
However, I recollect that they can now not declare where they actually live. I wonder why!!!!!
Ive been so far up my own arse for years.Now Im a Doctor I can be my own
proctologist.
but can you give yourself a blow job?
Yes. Yes I can.
Which is why I need Anton to sort out the missus.
A trawl of the register of members interests would flag up who has rental income wouldn’t it? That would be a good place to start with some awkward questions.
Please note.
We have been monitoring the internet and there seems to be a person posting who is posing a serious threat to this country.
We have this dangerous person on 24hr watch and believe him to pose as a down and out in order to get around without being noticed.
He is deluded and suffers from multiple personailty disorder since being cuckolded by his famous wife.
He likes to be known by his friends as Dolly but we know him as Derek(the parasite)Draper.Stay clear of him as he is toxic in the extreme (and that is just his hair).
Thank You
Remember Stay Calm and Carry On
it started in america
In Berkeley I believe.
at?
I think it is time to write to the editor of the Oxford English dictionary demanding that a new section be created for words so bile inducing that they have to be kept separate from the rest of the English language.
This section will be created right at the very end of the magnus opus and it will contain a disclaimer warning readers to take a blood pressure test before entering, ‘Pandora’s Box.’ People of a nervous disposition, of unstable temprement or sufferers of anuerisms and heart conditions should be warned not to cross the rubicon into this literary dystopia.
I am nominating the first word to be placed in this ‘effluent’ section of the Oxford English Dictionary.
The word is:
POLITICIAN
followed by
NooLabour / NooLieBore / NooLyingBores / NooGrinningLyingBores / Noo (Old) GrinningLyingBores
perhaps?
or any combination
Could someone please start a petition to the queen to dissolve parliament? Apparently she has the power to do so. I’m not a British “citizen” so feel it wouldn’t be appropriate, but I can’t bear another year of this shit.
Not necessary
Just send an affadavit or Notice of Intent and Claim of Right to the Queen saying you are revoking your citizenship and that you will live ONLY under Common Law jurisdiction until the Rule of Law is reimposed. In this capacity, you are refusing to participate in all Acts and Statutes passed by parliament. You are in a lawful rebellion. You will not pay taxes, pay fines, service debts or contract with the state in any way until order is restored.
Believe me, If enough people do it, she will HAVE TO dissolve parliament.
It’s merely a question of how many people in this scumhole of a country have the guts to stand up and defend themselves against what is rapidly becoming tyranny. It is fiscal tyranny, AND our fundamental rights and freedoms are being undermined.
Visit http://tpuc.org
Great, am on the case now.
Sarah, in case you haven’t noticed everybody is a British citizen.
Racist!
No, I didn’t notice ;-) I thought that British passport holders were British “subjects”.
Subjects in reference to the queen yes but where Labour are concerned we are known as ‘cannon fodder’
I thought this was the case but apparently they changed this a few years ago. That said, I still consider myself to be a subect – and as an ex-military officer took an oath of allegiance to the Queen. (the politicians may want to remember that from time to time)
i read it and i can say that i will rule the world because i am the best primeminster ever and for that reason i will cancel elections so you wont have to worry about voting
Guido check out Northern Ireland MP’s who have constituency offices that are owned by their wives, husbands, in-laws or other relatives and then rent then back to the MP. So in fact they are paying the rent out of Expenses to their wives, husbands, in-laws or other relatives!
It has kept the bog trotters quiet for a while though. The credit crunch is catching up with them if recent events are anything to go by.
Anon by Bog Trotters I take it you mean Sinn Fein? Well anyway this time it was not the Bog Trotters it was the Unionists. Sinn Fein’s Offices are owned by the Organization and not by the individual.
However there are 5 Bog Trotters that are taking out 600K and they don’t take their seats. So we are paying 600K a year for non attending MP’s. Now If Carlsberg we doing MP’s they would do Sinn Fein MP’s, because the fuckers are never there.
While we are on the subject how much time do MP’s who are members of regional government spend at parliament and how much do they cost?
9,000 jobs now going at RBS -ooch
Gordon’s economic miracle doesn’t seem to be working.
No. The miracle was anybody believed him, and it worked for three elections.
Well, it worked for Blair.
As we all know, McMental has no mandate to be Prime Minister or to saddle yet unborn British taxpayers with unreasonable, eye watering levels of debt.
If you believe the polls 30% of the electorate STILL believe him.
anyone got a peddlo
Yep
(chaning loudly) “…. Barmy Navy! …. Barmy Navy! ….”
leave it to me and the lifeguards
Seriously who needs 90% of what the government does. So long as we have a judicial system to lock up crooks and a strong military to head off threats anything more is crooked politicians making things up as they go along.
Yes, but it’s nice to know that if you fall ill you’re not going to have to mortgage yourself, isn’t it? Not that the government need have any more involvement in that than colecting our contributions and passing them to the hospital – in much the same way as we expect them to pass on our contributions to the armed forces. And education too. It’s helpful if it can be organised rather than there just being a few private schools for the rich. Apart from that – I agree with you and think everything would go much more smoothly without a government after the anarchist revolution.
Not that the government need have any more involvement in that than colecting our contributions and passing them to the hospital…
Thats the thing though… ZaNuLabour think they know best and try and micromanage the hospitals, schools and police with targets, policy, procedure, compliance and the like ..
No room for free thinking, initiative and get up and go. One has to fall into the corporate structure and do as the Government directs…
Being a Cop used to be swearing to serve the public and the Queen – now it is compliance with a Fraudsters whims and collecting statistics to say how brilliant ZaNuLabour are…
Catastrophic insurance is a much better model than the disaster we call the NHS (in reality beurocrat rationed treatment).
THis all has to stop
here is my idea house them all in the olympic village accomodation when the games are over
sign the petition here
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/MP2ndHome
The only way to stop all this is to house them on a leaky barge in the middle of the North Sea. Ex-Olympic village, much too good.
I would prefer to moor them to the remains of the ship below. handy for London and daily events such as firework target practice could be held too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Richard_Montgomery
Spurn Point.
They’ll be praying that Global Warming is tosh
I’m sorry but I believe the village has already been earmarked for use as the Newham Council homeless unit in order to house newly arrived immigrants and vulnerable asylum seekers. It may also be used to house pilgrims requiring overnight accommodation when visiting the shortly to be built 25,000 seater mosque in Stratford. The MP’s will have to find somewhere else as the other residents would probably object.
Guido
Any truth in the rumour that confirmed bachelor Michael fabricant is claiming for a second homo?
Don’t you mean second hair?
Unlikely that there will ever be a first Farbricant HEIR
And another thing Tuscan
When it comes to slap headedness you are definately in a greenhouse armed with a catapault and a huge bag of stones.
At least you are neither a poof nor wear a nylon syrup.
20 April 1653
It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone!
So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!
hmm still seems Oliver Cromwell’s comment is appropriate today
Nice quote.
Of course, there’s no evidence that he actually said all or any of this – although it’s clear he did refer to the Mace as a baubule and clear the House of Commons by force….
i wonder if henry vane had said “it was nae me” if things would have happened quicker .
still a good speech though
How ironic that the anniversary of this speech is actually today, 7 April, because of the Vicar of Rome’s theft of 13 days when England sold out to the “new style” calendar.
Of course this will all be “within the rules”.
I wonder if there is/was a way for an MP to inflate their staffers’ salary amd then “charge” them well in excess of the market rate in rent?
MEPs fiddles appear to take so much less effort.
AJC
If there is a way, they’ll find it.
If I can just say before Guido drags it all out in front of the servants..
“I was acting completely within the rules”
“Its complicated”
“I have done nothing wrong”
“I checked with the parliamentary standards committee first”
“I need 4 homes as I have to travel a lot”
“Its commensurate with a similar job in industry or finance or the movie industry”
“Office costs are very expensive and have to come out of these very exaggerated expenses figures appearing in the media”
and if that doesn’t work plan B
“I will repay the £24.87 for the Rampant Rabbit which was bought in error.”
“A bigger, fatter boy told me to do it”
“I think the time has come to review the allowances for MP’s”
“I don’t concern myself with trivia I’m busy saving the world”
“These lavish items like a steam massage table and a solarium are investments, not spending”
Plan C
“If you don’t vote for me next time you’ll get Quentin Davies”
Plan D
Underwear on head; pencils up nose and hope the cell in Broadmoor is comfy.
wubble wubble
So true that it’s not actually very funny Bill.
If I were an MP,
Life would be a farce.
While filling in expenses forms,
I could take it up the arse.
You are Mark Oaten and I claim my £5.
Bumer is a cumin in
Guido, you are being a bit playful with the rent story.You have given us a little red meat when we want THE WHOLE CARCASS (have to go as men in white coats appear)
So many DollyBots today.
The smell of fear is very strong.
fear is the path to the dark side
So is zoider
Remember Guido, the Land registry property search is your friend:
http://www.landregistry.gov.uk/
Draper alert.
Steve wright in the afternoon Radio2.
Has he got a very good publicist or had he sold his soul to the devil?
The poor sod would feel short changed.
Steve Wright pioneered ‘infotainment’.
That’s why he has Livingstone on, and now Draper.
Infotainment’ – that’s giving everybody a laugh while trying to sell us a load of shit.
What *is* their fascination with Draper? Do they think that if they’re nice to the horrible bastard he’ll tell them where the bodies are? Necrophiliac weirdos.
Prodicus,
It’s not an interest in Draper it’s just to wind up Guido and his belly, the old scrubber.
I am intensely relaxed that the Labour Party is relying on Mr Draper to promote their agenda.
He is their very own suicide note.
@Plato,
Masterful,
It is a great pleasure to see the plaudits heaped on Midshipman Hannan, who is St George to the National Health Service dragon.
Question: Why is Guido so silent on Hannan’s NHS rantings?
Answer: Becasue he was told to be silent by Con HQ.
Do you support Hannan?
Does Cameron support Hannan?
He is their very own suicide note.
“The greasiest suicide note in history”
He is their very own suicide note MA, if you please!
“Do you support Hannan?
Does Cameron support Hannan?”
Yeah, I can see this being tomorrows Sun headline, you moron.
Just emailed the angry Draper to Steve wright in the afternoon Radio2.
If you hear the Old Woman sniggering then you know why.
His advice did seem to include:
“get a life”
and
“Give up on hopeless cases even if you did spend a lot of time and energy on them”
Geoff Kunt annoys me the most out of these troughing Hoons.
He has to be the most inept terrible value for money out of the whole fucking lot.
Hugh Bayley MP – SNOUT IN TROUGH!
So what. All I want is you prole bastards to pay for my hard porn. I have to practically rape my husband to make him bang me unless I provide some ‘petrol’ for his engine.
Lay off my porn.
Has anyone seen my copy of ‘Bug Uns?’ someone said Alistair Darling went off to the toilets with it.
where are the dollybots?
having a state subsidized lunch?
so now we know why there were no restrictions on mortgages and buy to let……
and house inflation was allowed to run riot while fiddling the real inflation figs.
a massive FRAUD by those nice lefties that want fairness and equality……..
ie equally stealing OUR money…….
Elections have been cancelled and the printing of money/borrowing from the IMF will continue to pay for unlimited immigration and my expenses. So it is about time all you tory persons emigrated before I send round the boys from Peckham to persuade you.
“before I send round the boys from Peckham to persuade you”
Trotters Independent Trading?
bowls a 90 mph bouncer to harmen pride
Talking of expenses does anybody know if Mark Oaten MP put in a claim for a glass coffee table ?
It was a glass coffee table but the glass shattered.
Mark would not like any glass to come between him and a steaming, taxpayer-subsidised faceful……
Apologies for the long comment but I do feel this is important. This is the list of jobs offered by MPs and prospective MPs on the w4mp.org website as of today. Notice how the average salary has increased since the focus on expenses but also look at what they are offering. This is a disgrace of the first order.
19468/Campaigns Intern, for Maria Hutchings, Parliamentary Candidate for Eastleigh
Salary: Voluntary Position – Travel Expenses will be re-imbursed.
Posted on 07 April 09, closes on 24 April 09
19442/Parliamentary Assistant, for Jeremy Wright MP (Rugby & Kenilworth)
Salary: According to experience and skills.
Posted on 06 April 09, closes on 21 April 09
19437/Constituency Office Assistant, for Annette Brooke MP (Mid Dorset & North Poole)
Salary: £16,500 pro rata 16 hours per week.
Posted on 06 April 09, closes on 17 April 09
19432/Internship, for Sarah Teather MP (Brent East)
Salary: None.
Posted on 06 April 09, closes on 15 April 09
19422/Constituency Office Intern, for Robert Walter MP (North Dorset)
Salary: Out-of-pocket expenses.
Posted on 06 April 09, closes on 20 April 09
19397/Research Assistant, for Cheryl Gillan MP (Chesham & Amersham) and David Mundell MP (Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale)
Salary: In line with Parliamentary payscales.
Posted on 03 April 09, closes on 27 April 09
19380/Senior Caseworker / Communications Vacancy, for Mary Creagh MP (Wakefield)
Salary: £17,443.
Posted on 03 April 09, closes on 20 April 09
19376/Junior Secretary, for Lyn Brown MP (West Ham)
Salary: In line with Parliamentary payscales.
Posted on 02 April 09, closes on 14 April 09
19371/Constituency Office Manager, for Jonathan Morgan AM (Cardiff North)
Salary: £16,314 – £22,185.
Posted on 02 April 09, closes on 04 May 09
19370/Parliamentary Intern, for Justine Greening MP (Putney, Roehampton, and Southfields)
Salary: This is a voluntary position (reasonable expenses by arrangement).
Posted on 02 April 09, closes on 21 April 09
19342/Intern, for Greater Staffordshire Grouping
Salary: Travel Expenses Available.
Posted on 01 April 09, closes on 09 April 09
19311/Parliamentary Researcher and Assistant, for Parmjit Dhanda MP (Gloucester)
Salary: £18,000 – £23,000. Dependent on experience, in line with Parliamentary Guidelines.
Posted on 31 March 09, closes on 10 April 09
19307/Campaigns Intern, for Susan Kramer MP (Richmond Park)
Salary: None, reasonable travel expenses by agreement.
Posted on 31 March 09, closes on 28 April 09
19301/Intern, for Alan Milburn MP (Darlington)
Salary: NMW.
Posted on 31 March 09, closes on 09 April 09
19298/Parliamentary Intern, for Andrew George MP (St. Ives)
Salary: None. Reasonable travel and lunch expenses will be paid.
Posted on 31 March 09, closes on 16 April 09
19263/Intern, for Rt Hon David Lammy MP (Tottenham)
Salary: Unpaid.
Posted on 30 March 09, closes on 08 April 09
19246/Campaign Director, for Conservative Campaign Headquarters
Salary: A competitive salary is available for the successful applicant.
Posted on 27 March 09, closes on 17 April 09
19238/Assistant Campaigns Coordinator, for Watford Liberal Democrats
Salary: None. Reasonable travel expences paid.
Posted on 27 March 09, closes on 10 April 09
19217/Casework Intern, for Durham Liberal Democrats
Salary: Travel expenses paid.
Posted on 26 March 09, closes on 10 April 09
19168/Parliamentary Intern, for Willie Rennie MP (Dunfermline and West Fife) and Tim Farron MP (Westmoreland and Lonsdale)
Salary: None (travel expenses by agreement).
Posted on 25 March 09, closes on 07 April 09
19167/Caseworker Assistant, for Jon Cruddas MP (Dagenham)
Salary: Travel & Lunch allowance.
Posted on 25 March 09, closes on 08 April 09
19087/Campaigns Intern, for Duncan Hames, PPC for Chippenham and the Chippenham Liberal Democrats
Salary: None (but accommodation + reasonable travel and lunch expenses provided).
Posted on 22 March 09, closes on 10 April 09
19054/Enfield Labour Parties Borough Organiser, for Enfield Labour Parties Borough Campaign Group
Salary: £25,000 – £28,000 or pro rata based on experience. 13 month fixed term contract with the possibility of renewal.
Posted on 20 March 09, closes on 09 April 09
19053/Campaign Team Members, for Brandon Lewis, PPC Great Yarmouth
Salary: none.
Posted on 20 March 09, closes on 30 April 09
19042/Constituency intern, for Westminster North Conservative Association
Salary: None, but reasonable travel expenses will be reimbursed.
Posted on 20 March 09, closes on 09 April 09
19032/Parliamentary Intern (Volunteer), for Gordon Marsden MP (Blackpool South)
Salary: Unpaid.
Posted on 19 March 09, closes on 09 April 09
19015/Parliamentary Researcher, for Cathy Jamieson MSP (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley)
Salary: Depending on Experience.
Posted on 19 March 09, closes on 13 April 09
18909/Campaign Intern, for Ruth Smeeth, Parliamentary Candidate for Burton
Salary: N/A.
Posted on 16 March 09, closes on 10 April 09
18807/Internship – Aberystwyth, for Mark Williams MP (Ceredigion)
Salary: None.
Posted on 11 March 09, closes on 09 April 09
18285/Volunteer Office Assistant, for Jason Hadden, Parliamentary Candidate for Croydon North
Salary: None.
Posted on 11 February 09, closes on 10 April 09
Great comment. It’s bleedin’ obvious they claim the full amounts (or just under the radar) and trouser most of it.
Fuck off Brown, fuck off Cameron and fuck you troughing bastard MPs.
Is ‘travelling expenses’ the new way of expressing a wage but avoiding Brown’s 43% tax levels?
They’re always playing the class card when it suits them. How many ordinary youngsters can afford to work for nothing?
Those who are also claiming the dole perhaps.
What happened to the Minimum Wage FFS???
“What happened to the Minimum Wage FFS???”
It is being debated thoroughly over at LabourPist !
“How many ordinary youngsters can afford to work for nothing?”
None, or at least not many.
But spouses and family are a different matter.
The biggest laugh in that whole list is the following statement
(reasonable expenses by arrangement).
So don’t claim for bath plugs. Hypocritical twats!!!
I’d work for Sarah Teather for fuck all – she’s gorgeous!
The greed of these politicians is unbelievable.
I have to live on £14000 a year
These greedy bastards should try it
Heather
Having only the one leg must make for a good solid saving on footwear, though.
Thanks for messing up my keyboard, coffee everywhere.
Yes, and I bet you pay tax. It might not be a lot but it paid for JS’s sink plug!
Wow! I’m on £12,000 and I get my bus pass latter this year.
Sorry, my auto-translate should have come up with, ‘later’.
Completely off topic – well almost:
Latest European Parliament election prediction for UK MEPs:
Conservatives to keep all their seats
Labour to win 3
Lib Dems to win 1
And useless ukip to lose 8
Source: Public affairs firm – Burson-Marsteller
See http://www.trumpeter4europe.co.uk News section
If people are stupid enough to vote for these people they deserve exactly what they have got! The allowances are available to be used with discretion but not automatically ramped up to maximum levels. Most of them know they will be ousted at the end of this session so make hay whilst the sun shines…
Those with safe seats will still be there., carrying on much as before. If the party leaders were themselves honest they could fix this quickly, insist on massive repayments, eliminate most of the expenses and reduce salaries, and expel from the party and parliament those who have troughed most odiously. They’ll do nothing effective.
[...] and it goes on….. +++ New MP’s Scam Breaking +++ – Guy Fawkes’ blog [...]
Charity begins…?
Brian Gibbons, the the Labour Minister for Social Justice and Local Government, claimed £16.50 for a Royal British Legion wreath that he presumably laid at a remembrance service.
(From The Appalling Strangeness)
What a dirty hypocritical bastard!
*bleugh*
What a Hoon.
Doesn’t he collect stamps?
Apparently Anthony James “Tony” McNulty is the architect of the new ‘guidance’ that states persons must now travel for 90 minutes each way to look for a job. If not you are not entitled to claim an allowance.
This is the same time that seriously ill or injured people MUST also travel to attend medical centres in order to to assess whether or not you are worthy to collect the new allowances.
BTW If you are deaf and blind and paralised from the waist down you MUST now work if you are capable of using one hand. (Employment and Support Allowance has taken over from Incapacity Allowance).
This is also the man that states he needs his second house as 45 minutes is to long to travel.
There is something almost awe-inspiring in the way these ‘Protectors of the Downtrodden’, ‘Stalwart Bastions against the Predations of Capitalism and ‘Defenders of the Rights of The Ordinary Working Man’ turn out to be the biggest parcel of lying thieves, charmless snakes and elitist filth since the birth of the National Socialist German Workers Party.
“Defending the rights of the ordinary working man” apparently involves putting that man and his family under a degree of surveillance that the stasi could only dream about. Surveillance by several hundred public bodies no less. But hey, thats socialism
Look the country is bust ! You ungrateful sods! How can I afford to kit out my fourth home unless these scroungers are made to work ?
Now where’s that John Lewis Catalogue ?
It’s a list, not a catalogue. Get back to Argos you common little shit.
This man McNulty is a C*U*N*T of the highest order, if i was to meet him I would feel no qualms about battering 7 shades of shit out of him.
Agreed, he truly has a face you could never tire of punching.
seems obvious now guido really !!!
when is a scam not a scam ??
still as the ecnomic DNA of men and women of the UK becomes damaged as this labour goverment , affecting further ecnomic sucess down the line , we can take confort that in a years time unemployment may be on its way to 3 million , debt owed at 15% of gdp .
also train fares up, car fuel up , postage up more people out of work definite poverty .
a wheel is coming off the basket case , let us not forget that 6 banks (half of the uk banking sector) has failed and is goverment owned .
note to pm “get your coat”
Don’t bother with yer coat, just F.O.
Not Government owned. Taxpayer owned. The Government has no money of its own to spend
i stand corrected OH
on a side note just laughing my pants off at an article from 2007 when kinnock annoited brown “he would make a very good prime ministerwhen tony steps down” cough knifed and diced and fed to the crows
would the last person to leave the uk please turn out the ….. oh we had that one before
michael gove got stuck into eds missing millions for 6th formers apparently it has just vanished !!! and hes tipped to repalce darling , couldnt make it up .
as I write in another place ( http://anon126.blogspot.com/2009/04/mp-scam-merry-go-round.html ) I wonder if the scam is to rent the property out to another MP at an inflated rent and for them to spilt the extra….like I say, easy money…..corrupt, but easy.
I my wilder imagination I do wonder if MP rent a property form an Mp to whom they rent their property to….a very easy way to make some extra wonga…..first time I’ve ever used the word ‘wonga’, and not the last by any ways!
They could have their own litlle ponzi scheme / money laundering operation going. A gets a buy to let and rents to B at extortionate (claimable) rate. B has own buy to let and rents to C etc etc. Imagine all the peripheral expenses that could be claimed as well. They’ve probably even got their own property maintenance company and mortgage company to rake off more commissions. In fact I’d be surprised if they aren’t doing precisely that.
I doubt it – that implies a level of competence and organisational skill which there is scant evidence of otherwise
Youll find that the whole system is riddled with this corruption.
Makes no difference, be they Zanu/Con/Libdem – the rot is IN.
Expose the fuckin’ lots of shites!
David Borrow MP, Labour, South Ribble, 8th highest trougher (£172,706), receives rent for a flat in London for which rental is received, small majority must be a contender.
Oh and he’s a fat bastard as well.
Wanna hear a Borrow story?
When he was canvasing in South Ribble in April 97, he went everywhere with a woman, who gave the impression of being his wife or partner.
So he gets in on 1st May and then declares he’s gay. The locals – who are far more wordly wise than metro-Labout gives them credit for – couldn’t give a shit, but marked him down for being patronising, snivelling coward.
He’s out next time (South Ribble is a definitive swing state) so he needs to fill his boots
He was bound to go far in the Labour Party with a name like Borrow.
Does anyone know what lovely Beverley Hughes claims???
Additional Costs Allowance £23,083 (joint 1st) £22,110 (joint 1st) £21,634 £20,902 (joint 1st) £20,333 (joint 3rd) £19,722 (joint 1st) £16,084 (163rd)
Didn’t take her long to cotton on now did it?
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/beverley_hughes/stretford_and_urmston#expenses
Guido is on a family outing, how sweet.
Tip, save your receipts.
Cannot wait for an election -
Can you imagine the look on the faces of these troughing swine when told that JSA is £60, depending on the amount of dough in their bank account – courtesy of New Labour.
Selling that second home will bugger up their Benefits and Tax when they are no longer MPs!!
They can console themselves with the fact that their Lords and Masters (Brown, Mandelson, Blair) have done alright while they (the poor bloody infantry) get slaughtered.
you havin a laff… these fuckers will convert to Con just before it all goes tits up.
I have no worries. Fired, resign or loose the election I get a minimum of 50% of my salary as compensation. If I’ve been in this money grabbing trough long enough I get 100% and all tax free. Why do you think we are stuffing our houses with tellies and washing machines and spare plugs like there is no tomorrow? Because there is no tomorrow!
Clapham Commoner says:
April 7, 2009 at 10:47 am
‘Harman has some sort of lift that takes her car from the drive to an underground garage.’
Could it (the lift) be converted to a very long drop?
We are intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich
“We are intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich”
In fact, it has been totally de-stigmatised.
Is there still a stigma attached to having someone shit on you from a great height?
Why wait for Guido to finish piss-arsing around?
Why doesn’t everyone just do what these johnnies are doing: ask your MP for a full breakdown of all his expenses, and post the results online for everyone to see.:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/house_of_commons
It’s a win-win – either he complies and publishes this stuff or he doesn’t respond and everyone sees him for the complete bounder he is – times 646.
EXCELLENT – my next task.
Aaa
What’s the big financial news coming up shortly?
“The Committee on Standards in Public Life is bringing forward a wider inquiry into MPs’ expenses, with a report due towards the end of the year. ”
So, it takes 8 or 9 months for someone to say, “yep; ok; you should only claim for stuff that’s directly related to your job, and you should keep receipts and have them audited by an independent accountant” ?
Report due in 9 months’ time, and action to be taken probably about 6 months after that if at all, by which time labour won’t have any MPs anyway.
bastards.
Obama didn’t have this problem in America; when he needed something done he said “we’re the government; we’ve got thousands of civil servants to do this kind of thing; get the review done in 2 weeks, then give it to me, and I’ll take it under advice and I’ll action it within a few days. anything short of that and I’ll see to it that someone gets fired.”
no no no your missing the point man , they need 8 or 9 months to think of a suitable fudge, and hope it goes away.
If it looks like a pig, smells like a pig and troughs like a pig ———— it must be Jacqui Smiff
If the Tories have a 15% lead in the polls at the election, Labour will get a majority of about 40.
Boundary changes this time round favour the Tories.
Who said anything about ‘boundary changes’? Methinks we may be talking ‘postal votes’ here, sackfuls of’em, tons and tons of ‘em, all with crosses against your local Labour candidate. All signed by that same nice man, Mr Khan at No 42.
It’s called a ‘banana republic’, ain’t it?
They’ll need more than a fucking boundary come the bloody revolution m8!
while mps’ have been troghing people have been dying from cdif etc in hospitals-
oaps have had to sell their homes for care-
(bus passes have just been axed i believe)
our soldiers didnt have the correct equipment-
and the police were shafted on their pay!!!!!!!!!
what a shower of shit!!!!!!!!!!!
no morals-no integrity-no spine.
wake up-we are all being used!!!!!!
And how much are the car parking charges at the local hospital, seems like a way of extorting money from those concerned for their loved ones, just like the phone and tv by the bed scams.
A number of Labour MPs are claiming Sky TV packages.
Are they saying that public broadcast (BBC) is rubbish.
Well, it is rubbish. But with Sky, they can get it FOC courtesy of you mugs.
Come sit in my fury hammock.
It would be interesting to know if they pay their Licence fee for both homes or do they claim one on expenses.
and sky sports
testing
its not working
@Bluey Gob,
It’s not a smear, look at Midshipman Dan Hannan’s interviews with Hannity at Faux News. Also note Cameron’s silence when challenged about Hannan’s position on the NHS.
Agreed that Labour take on Tory policies often unpleasant ones but by and large they’re adopted to defuse the Tory dog whistle issues, Laura Norder, Benny Fits Scroungers and so on. You have to admit the Tories have had a bit of a redecoration effort over the last three years with green this and green that and 2006 Cameron statement: “Blair said his policy was based on three words Education, Education, Education, mines on three letters N H S.” Hence the puzzle of Cameron’s silence.
What’s Brown’s policy on the NHS? Can you point to a link where he has outlined his vision for the health service?
The NHS is now the worst health service in Western Europe anyway, and needs tearing down prior to root and branch reform.
Maybe they could do it within say 24hrs, that would be nice.
My last year experiences tell me that on the whole the medical staff (Doctors and NHS nurses) are superb, the administrators generally suck (the professional managers and accountants worst of all).
Exactly.
Sack the bean counters and useless human clipboard holders, save a mint and let medical professionals run the show. They are the ones at the coal front, know what is needed and who wouldn’t allow a dirty stinking ward to fester under their control.
Employ everyone directly. No fucking middle companies both ripping the tax payer off and passing on crap wages.
Unfortunately, I have to disagree. It’s too painful to go into details, but when the patients are old and really helpless, NHS care is pitiful. For example, bedsores. It’s the 21st century and nursing care is still so bad people get bedsores! It’s just negligent.
There’s no mystery. Hannan doesn’t make Tory policy, and Cameron is wisely saying nothing because it isn’t an issue. Just some guy shooting his mouth off.
The National Death Service needs to be redacted for the good of the nations health.
State treatment rationing is a failure wherever it is tried.
It’s a failure because it is socialist.
my misses broke her leg two years ago it was cold no nurses she had men in her room ( 4 beds ) dont belive a fucking word they say any of them
We want names.
We’re getting tough on crime.
We’re getting off on grime.
Whilst we’re waiting for Mr Fawkes, here’s something to keep you amused:
Make your own counter-terrorism billboard
Here’s mine
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ln7QnBlGeDY/SduEG6uPqTI/AAAAAAAAAfw/7pezZzC7428/s1600-h/wheelie+bin+slogan.jpg
Derek Draper has started advertising his services (psychotherapy, tut tut, what were you thinking!)
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2092/draper.jpg
Hours of fun; well 5 minutes anyway
Direct link to the billboard generator – http://jamesholden.net/billboard/
I like your take.
My take is: Nulaber Bin
———— Guido, you incompetent Irish prat , when are you going to do
———— something about aligning this typeface such that the left 2 inches
———— aint lost off the side of the screen?
———— I fear I might be missing some gems of er –wisdom.
Try Opera, working fine for me.
I did, once. Give me delta blues anytime.
Works fine with IE 8 as well. Time for an upgrade
How about using a decent web browser like Firefox.
BBC:
“she felt “sorry” and “angry” that she had claimed expenses for adult films watched by her husband”
Well why the fuck didn’t she read her own claim form before sending it in then like any normal person would?
If anyone in the real world didn’t bother to read their claim form and it turned out a bogus claim had been made they’d be fined or imprisoned or sacked.
I mean, some people might get their secretary to do/prepare the paperwork, but anyone who didn’t want to go to prison would at least proof-read what’s being claimed before they sign it off.
Like my accountant says; “claim as much as you can, but if you can’t justify a claim reasonably, then don’t make it unless you want to go to jail.”
Arrogant cow.
She’s also got the snout for troughing effectively.
Ugly, ugly pig
Jackie, why don’t you call the porn for what it is: GAY PORN!
She is being economical with the truth AGAIN.
She is to busy at work thinking of more useless soundbites to try and give the impression she knows what she is doing !
C4 news woman stitched her up well.
How the fuck can the cow remain in her position when she is reduced to having to justify her bloody inflated and piss-taking expenses on TV. Every other person I know is making jokes at her expense. She’s a laughing stock and should fuck off forthwith.
Perhaps the sow with the snout is being paid for her TV appearances. Lots of lolly, whilst her gay porn watching husband is playing mummy to their children.
Are we seeing only the tip of the iceberg?
Having lived and survived through Harold Wilson ” the pound in your pocket ….” & Ted Heath ” Money cannot be borrowed to finance institutionalised inflation” ( house price increases), I wonder if the rumours that Ted was the Captain of a firing squad during the war are true, I imagine that the MP`s & Ministers with several houses are looking desperately for remunerative occupations in the future when their stipend halts, to finance their negative equity.
NAMES, Guido – we want NAMES…
Hoony McHoon
Rt Hoon Hoon
Hoo-on Earth Hoon
Getton d’Hoon
491 comments by 18h23 must be something of a record. I wonder why….
Surely that is 499 by now
501, actually.
Bugger and arse: 503 then.
Is the numbering fucked (again)?
No, because by the time you post another 5 or so comments are through. Right now the last one is the number of MPs we don’t need.
I know that but what’s all that weird stuff at the bottom and Dick Emery (how painful is that?) has been up-front for hours.
Looks like Guido’s been busier digging in the refrigerator than following this shit up…
Must be a blockage to the clearence of bad news today or something.
Nice to see that Ian Tomlinson was killed by the PoPo after all. Thought the bankers were’nt even going to get a human sacrifice for their £7 million wasted on ketteling some hippies.
tra la as they say: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/07/video-g20-police-assault
Never thought I’d be praising the Guardian! Get out of that one Jackboots! Let’s not hear anymore ‘all made up by the lefties!’ Not this time at least.
Turns out it was footage from a US businessman! Bet the Met have been hunting him down before he got it to the IPCC. Missed!!!!
Perhaps it was The Messiah getting his own back for having to put with snotty for a few days recently, gurning constantly in his direction. On the lines of, “Let’s give this fuckwit some more problems boys, get all the yanks in London on the case and dig some real dirt”. “Yee ha honkey, suck on that ass hole.”
i thought this blog was staunchly anti hippy?
fuck it im with the pigs on this. You’ve had a hard day being spat at and called a Hoon by anarchists, the last thing you need all day is that twat dawdling in front of you.
So Old Street do you want to share prison-time with those murdering Hoons then?
Just noted at least one filter that this blog has for those posting comments.
Type in C u_n t s and it is automatically changed to Hoons
Rude word blog comment tester:
c_ u n t _s Hoons
f __u c k ing fucking
w ___a _ n K ers wankers
__b a s t__ a r d s bastards
__m o t h e r f u c k e ___r motherfucker
Someone else can try such words, as I got bored now.
http://monkeyfilter.com/link.php/11611
April 15, 2006
The BBC’s ranked list of rudeness. Rude words and their rudeness valence. According to the Beeb Beeb Ceeb
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Someone just managed to say the word ‘Islamofascism’ on Radio 4 – thought I was hearing things.
It was me
I thought that was my ‘last night’s kebab’ fart.
John Lyon= Misconduct in public office
Jackie Smith – your are the weakest link – Goodbye…
How are ZaNuLab going to spin this one. Doesn’t look good for the next Home Sec’s in tray.
Not fair, not fair, you’ve stolen my idea for a reality TV show. Bo ho Ho
but that would take someone with a pair.
Evening playmates!
Oh, what a wonderful thing to be,
A dodgy, dishonest NuLabour MP;
Sitting in the chamber chewing on my bogeys
Pinching all the money from the pensioned fogeys.
It’s right to be a NuLabour MP,
Being just as bent as a Minister can be.
Sitting on green leather- how McMental stutters,
With criminals, murderers and several fucking nutters.
(Chorus): Drone,drone,drone,drone Lab MP, Lab MP,
Don’t drone too loud – I’m counting see?,
Drone,drone,drone,drone Lab MP, Lab MP,
I’m a thief and a liar – un-fucking-touchable me!
We can’t go on like this. Something must be done.
So, shall I get the piano wire then?
I am Derek Draper. Please buy my book – only £6.29 at Amazon. I’m desperate, I need the cash…
Ok
Can I can claim it on expenses?
Well, if you can claim for pornographic films on your expenses, I’d assume a third-rate book is fine.
Correction:
… if you can claim for GAY pornographic films on your expenses watched by your husband(?) who the tax payer is paying £40k p.a. to be “mummy” to your children, …
Exclusive footage of Ian Tomlinson being murdered by the Police posted on Guardian website.
http://www.guardian.co.uk
Thats pretty shocking.
5 Bellies on C4 news now (19.20 ish) will be on C4+1 (Sky 135) – spluttering as usual
It’s not really a murder is it, its more of a push and a stumble. But hey if it gets Jacqui the boot……
New law “No walking around London with your hands in your pockets”Anyone breaking this Law will be executed!
Due to the confusion of the day it has proved impossible to identify the officer in question. The Met deeply regret this tragic accident and of course compensation will be paid to the victims family. We have many lessons to learn from the handling of this situation.
Thank you now move along – nothing to see here.
Well Gudo, the Irish seem to be getting the message. TDs allowances cut in their budget……
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0407/budget.html
“The minister also announced several changes to the remuneration of TDs and Senators following the decision to cut the number of junior ministers from 20 to 15.
No longer will deputies receive long service payments or increments, while there will be a 10% reduction in all expenses other than mileage rates where a 25% reduction has already taken place.
The arrangement where former ministers who were paid ministerial pensions while they are still members of the Oirechtas will not continue. The allowances paid to Oireachtas committee chairman will be halved and the payments to whips and vice-chairs will also go.”
Coming back to the two washing machines…… if one of them was found to have been installed in her sister’s house would that be legit? Could she explain it away?
Oh, and by the way, Hoon has a fourth house, on the Suffolk Heritage Coast. Rather nice it is too.
Pip, pip
I’ll come on your washing machine at 1600 rpm for an expense-busting fee.
Whoops – that came out a bit racist, didn’t it? What I meant was that if the police had murdered a black guy in public, the MSM would be baying for blood. Kill a white guy and, hey, who gives a fuck? He’s probably a ghastly Sun reader, something to smirk over at your next dinner party.
I like to think there are people who read these comments who can make an educated judgment as to what you meant without falling back on clique arguments like racist. Then again I’m not Derek so what would I know.
You racist cnut
The police training seems to leave a lot to be desired these days. When I did my riot training back in the 80s in the Army the Method was measured response. If the crowd was extremely aggressive then you targeted the ringleaders (cut of the head so to speak). If the crowd was angry but peaceful then the response was stand off so as not to provoke. Often crowds would throw a few bricks, shout a lot but not much else. I can honestly say I would have been all over any of my men who behaved in that manner, especially when the crowd is reasonably peaceful and compliant.
The correct method of handling that man would have been to place a hand between his shoulder blades and with reasonable force propel him forward so he got the message keep walking. The fact that senior officers stood by and made no attempt to stop that behaviour clearly shows that they have no idea how to deal with crowd control.
The police didn’t appear all that concerned either at the sight of a bloke on the deck. Was he wearing a blue sweatshirt that is recognised in the City as being of one of the news vendors? He’d hardly come to a riot dressed up in his work stuff. Maybe he had an ID badge around his neck too.
Disgusting to watch.
I agree. In most of the video footage I have watched the police appear totally unprofessional, disorganised and overly aggressive, like a bunch of third world paramilitaries. Their masked faces and general slovenly demeanour are shocking.
Smith, the Met Commissioner, ACPO and all the senior police officers involved in this disgraceful display of ill-discipline and uniformed thuggery should be ashamed of themselves. This has all happened under New Labour.
“The correct method of handling that man would have been to place a hand between his shoulder blades and with reasonable force propel him forward so he got the message keep walking.”
I understand that from a plod viewpoint.
From a public viewpoint, why the fuck should he keep walking? He was offering no threat, he had the right to be there.
Guido’s run out of numbers for comments now
A few shitty breeks around Westminster tonight.
A few researchers being smartly evicted.
Vote for us an anything becomes possible.
This scam is old, some adds news but the main of scam is old.
Freeborn Englishman minding his own business murdered in cold blood.
Will the Ham Secretary ever fucking resign?
She has to after the expense fiasco and the assault by uniformed, helmeted, tooled up thugs on an innocent passer by in the City.
A fucking thug with a uniform and a warrant card
Easy to say when you havent just had a few bottles bounce off you.
I feel sorry for both the dead chap (who was a Hoon) and the Copper who if like most police officers is a decent person will be feeling like shit after this incident.
In case you missed the last 100 comments
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/07/video-g20-police-assault
They’re probably gutted they didn’t get a chance to shoot the poor git.
We’d need 4000 comments per second to match Gordons borrowing to fund his jerrymandering ways.
hahaha!
So plod end up killing not a soap dodging anarchist, but someone who works in the city.
£50 million, this mans life, and a dead cat bounce.
Well said.
Why did he die, or did they lie?
I think he’s dead, so a doctor said
He was beaten black, he was beaten blue
But don’t be alarmed, it was the right thing to do
The police have the power, police have the right
To kill a man to take away his life
Drunk and disorderly was his crime
I think at worst he should be doing time
But he’s dead
He was drunk and disorderly and now he’s dead
Questions are unanswered
Policeman scared to talk
Perhaps they are hiding something
Will my message get across
Please tell me why, why did he die
Please tell me now, and tell me how
Police have the answers
But they haven’t got the right, to kill a man
To take away his life
Perhaps I’m not to clever, perhaps I’m not to bright
But I think your verdict was just a lie, a lie, a lie, lie
Questions:
a) Why is the officer dressed differently from all the others
b) Trousers tucked in
c) Coat is tucked in or short of the bottom silver stripe
d) Why is she seen before 14 seconds already with stick over her shoulder
e) Why is the police badge different from all the other officers. Low down near first stripe.
f) Why would anyone push and hit legs from under a person when their hands are in their pockets. A sure way to cause head injuries.
g) She is clearly targeting him from before passing the bikes.
Watch and weep. Is this what we want on our streets?
Notice how afterwards no officer stands near her and at 1.04 she walks away in the same direction as the man walks though camera.
Disgusting, fucking state stasi cúnt pigs.
Ignore the rest in the footage they were doing their job. Was she actually police?
Was the Hoon there to stir up some shit and a get a ‘result’?
They should be locking up murderers, not fucking joining them.
good observations.
h) There is nothing on her shoulders unlike the one with the shield at 27 seconds
That makes sense if the voice on the clip is the commanding officer shouting:
“Donna, what the hell are you doing”
and later
“Tell you what Donna…” which becomes inaudible but could be linked to the way the riot officers appears to follow instructions to go away.
B.R.I.T.A.I.N.
I.S.
A.
P.O.L.I.C.E.
S.T.A.T.E.
The whole of the civil service has been politicised by NuLab. It’s what they do.
if it was you wouldnt be saying that and getting away with it. Plenty of criticism is deserved on the part of the Police and in some cases the hapless political appointmets called chief constables but we havent yet got to the stage of a police state. Not yet anyway.
The local news said they were targeted for having extreme beliefs.
Maybe they believed a bloke was killed on a cross and then came back to life again ? Who Knows?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7987398.stm
I’m kind of glad I stopped blogging. I watched the Guardian CCTV and it is clear that the victim was being a bit of a dick doing the nonchalant “I’m not bothered by your dogs coppers” walk but nothing about that entitled the cop to take that big cheap shot. That’s not a cop I ever want to work with. That’s not a cop I want in the job. Thug, stupid violent overbearing thug. It makes me ashamed to carry a warrant card.
cheap shot? pre-meditated violence more like
The eggshell skull rule (or thin-skull rule) is a legal doctrine used in both tort law and criminal law that holds an individual liable for all consequences resulting from his or her activities leading to an injury to another person, even if the victim suffers an unusually high level of damage (e.g. due to a pre-existing vulnerability or medical condition). The term implies that if a person had a skull as delicate as the shell of an egg, and a tortfeasor or assailant who did not know of that condition were to hit that person on the head, causing the skull unexpectedly to break, the responsible party would be held liable for all damages resulting from the wrongful contact, even though they were not foreseeable. The general maxim is that defendants must “take their victims as they find them”, a quotation from the judgment of Lawton LJ in the criminal case of R v. Blaue.
That would only apply if he was struck on the head, but in this case he wasnt.
Think u are right Jack, the victim was being a bit arsey and not exactly “just walking home from work” as reported but thats no excuse for how he was treated. Its not murder though as the consequences were not intended nor reasonably expected.
you coppers really are thick
Agreed it was a cheap shot and although he was a bit of a dick I think the officer who lashed out at him needs to be identified and investigated and ultimately sacked if not prosecuted. I have a lot of time for the police but like in so many walks of life the standards are not what they were a decade ago. Incidents like this are storing up resentment and any hint of cover up is not going to help matters.
No, the police officer or officers who hit him or pushed him or otherwise touched him need to be put on trial for murder. Simple.
This will happen but will take time to get to this stage as the state machine will try and block and delay the truth getting out.
You kill someone, then that’s murder in most countries in the world. Will it be here?
Terrorism is a tool of the state. Freedom is the tool of individual;
and the dick !
Someone say dick? I’m watching and listening to you!
I wonder if any of them claim ‘unexploited prostitutes’ on expenses – I think there is no rule against it…
Im no doctor but Natasha Richardson suffered a blood clot on the Brain from a head injury, and I think a blood clot if gets to your heart can lead to pulminary embulism and a heart attack.
Any doctors out their care to validate this and say if this is a plausible theory of how someone who suffers a head injury could die from a heart attack ?
Richardson died because of an extradural bleed. The blood leaked into the space between her skull and brain and basically squashed it.
You could die from a heart attack any time. It doesn’t have to be related to the head injury.
Ill believe you, but I m sure I heard blood clot mentioned on the news. The question still remains though, whats the statistical chances of dying randomly of a heart attack vs dying of one minutes after suffering a head injury, and could a head injury potentially lead to a heart attack via the mechanism I described or any other means?
No it isn’t a plausible theory.
What might be plausible is that this bloke was feeling unwell because he was in the throes of an impending heart attack, hence his rather weird behaviour. The police action of pushing him over, whilst unacceptable, could be coincidental. It might be argued (and probably will be) that the stress involved could tip someone at critical risk of a heart attack over the edge.
Sorry DHF, I forgot to add that your question about statistical risk really begs for a clinical trial in which volunteers (646 seems a good number) receive head injuries and are then compared with age-matched controls.
How could we fund this do you think – perhaps we could also get some volunteers to inflict the injuries?
Are we having fun yet?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/07/video-g20-police-assault
Apologies to the protestors.
I made comments on earlier posts about the protestors putting false rumours about the police assault on Ian Tomlinson, and I accused them of being lefty anarcho-twats e.t.c.
It seems they were justified in their outrage.
The video posted on the Guardian web-site :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/07/video-g20-police-assault
seems to show a cowardly attack by a uniformed plod, from behind, on Mr Tomlinson who was walking away from the plod, with his hands in his pockets and in no way presenting opposition let alone a threat.
It seems the
Metropolitan Policecowardly uniformed murdering fascist scum have yet again murdered an innocent man. It does seem that they are cowardly murdering scum, operated by a cowardly murdering government.Bugger.
:-(
Aethelred,
I just wanted to say thank you for your posting in this thread when you wrote
“Apologies to the protestors.
I made comments on earlier posts about the protestors putting false rumours about the police assault on Ian Tomlinson, and I accused them of being lefty anarcho-twats e.t.c.
It seems they were justified in their outrage.”
This is correct and better than when you wrote
http://www.order-order.com/2009/04/sunday-sleaze-hoon-special/#comments
Aethelred says:
April 5, 2009 at 12:32 am
“The bigger more important story is that he died of natural causes; a heart attack.
Beware of attempts by lefty window-lickers to spin this into a story.
G20 heart attack dude”
Sometimes us window-lickers are right.
However very sadly nothing I write can bring Ian back to life and again nothing I write can express how angry I am that the UK police kill people during protests + “kettle” them without food and water etc.. etc…
WTF has become of the UK police!!!! How dare they treat us all as criminals and terrorists and how dare they continue to KILL and MURDER innocent people on the streets of London.
I don’t recognise my own country any more.
Is the UK now beyond the point of no return?
Maybe I should have known better after the murder by the met plod of Jean Charles Menendez.
Maybe I should have known better after Peter Hitchen’s encounter with the met plod
I hope it is investigated. I also hope the plod are exonerated, but I fear that, if an investigation happens, they will not be.
It was already past that point in 2005 when Walter Wolfgang was detained as a terrorist at the Brighton Labour party conference. His crime was heckling Jack Straw. Subsequent terrorists have included Jean Charles de Menezes and the country of Iceland. How far back do you think the point was?
There is a documentary called “The road to war” and one episode deals with Germany and the rise of the Nazis.
Watch this and then watch the films of the protest in London including the Police beating up an innocent bystander presenting no threat to anyone. I defy you too see any difference in the two images filmed nearly 70 years apart.
The government, JACQASSE, et al. conspired to cause an affray by keeping all the protestors bottled up in one area, and even refusing to let them depart. I am no fan of the great unwashed but you can see how the government was going to spin this one even before it happened. This is the real comment on the state of our nation. The police themselves are not to blame, the ordinary bobby had no choice and was outmanouvred by the machinations of their bosses and their political masters. Thinkof the Jacqboot and Blair axis, and then ask yourselves whether we now live in a police state. Murder by design. If in any doubt, watch House of Cards again.
Agree.
Why the fuck are a number of people on this blog accepting without question a Guardian reporters highly pejoritive interpretation of this incident ? Do you listen to them any other time ?
Think the video gives it away you arse hole.
The video shows an assault not a murder and that assault may or may not be justified WE DONT KNOW ENOUGH TO DECIDE YET. THAT IS WHAT THE FOOTAGE SHOWS, To many people on here are all for trial by media, leftish with an agenda at that media and that worrys me.
If I did that on a Saturday night after the pubs kicked out I would be arrested by the Plod.
Are Plod above the law?
Pictures speak louder than any Guardinistas words and by the way it was the Telegraph that broke the story not the Guardian
Fuckwit!
Piss off Hoon.
729 I did not say it was not assault what I said is I and we do not have enough information to make that judgement simply from this footage alone. It well prove to be the case but until we know what justification is offered if any then we should reserve judgement. All this of course necessitates a full and open investigation.
I respect the rule of law and the rules of evidence Mr’s “Fuckwit” and “arsehole” see 729 and 682, appear easily manipulated by mob mentality and would be ideal fodder for the supreme soviet. Things arent always how they appear at first glance gentlemen thats why we need to know all the facts.
I trust it is your immaturity that prevents you from seeing this.
Judging by your nomenclature and inability to engage in mature debate are you one of the schoolboy cast of the inbetweeners ?
daily mail
Blow for TV licence dodgers as detector vans go undercover
By Liz Thomas
Last updated at 12:31 AM on 07th April 2009
The former snooper vans emblazoned with TV Licensing livery are to be a thing of the past TV detector vans have gone undercover in a controversial move to catch those watching without a licence.
The latest vehicles are unmarked to make them indistinguishable from those driven by ‘white van man’ as they cruise the streets – although they will probably be going a little slower.
The first detector vans were introduced in the 1930s and in the nine updates since then the vehicles have all been high-profile, with distinctive scanners on the roof and markings on the side.
Last year almost half a million people were caught and fined up to £1,000 for not having a licence. More are expected to be caught this year as the credit crunch hits households.
However, in what some see as a further example of state intrusion into everyday lives, the latest detector equipment is so sophisticated it can tell in 20 seconds from almost 200 feet away if a TV is being used in a property – and which room it is in.
Using the Global Positioning System satellite technology, the detectors are able to identify properties and match them with a database of 30million addresses to see if they are covered by a valid licence.
TV Licensing, which collects the levy to fund the BBC, has been introducing the technology since 2003 and it is understood that all vans are now equipped this way.
A spokesman for TV Licensing said: ‘The new vans look just like any other van in the street. There used to be an urban myth that the aerials on our vans were dummies and didn’t actually work – but the latest ones certainly do.’
However Simon Davies, of privacy campaign group Privacy International, described the move as a ’scare tactic’.
He added: ‘TV licensing has historically been skewed the wrong way. It assumes everyone is guilty. The idea that such an organisation should have a free reign to scare the wits out of people beggars belief.’
In recent months the BBC and TV Licensing has come under fire for bullying tactics.
Households have reported being hounded with letters, home visits and threats of legal proceedings even though they do not watch television.
I heard all this TV detector stuff is bullshit. They haven’t a clue what the fuck is going on. They might as well serve ice cream out of the back.
TV ariel is a passive receiver isn’t it. How would you detect a signal? TV’s in homes don’t transmit, they receive.
I may be wrong but I think the Ice-cream answer is the more likely use for these vans. Only it will be BBC ice-cream.
Vanilla only.
Wouldn’t vanilla be hideously white?
Do you really think the old bill go out to kill people
Wait &C
Ask de Menezes.
And you want an ‘independent’ enquiry. So will the police – so will the government. Only they’ll pick the ‘independent’ ones.
Fucking get real!
so where is this big breaking story
So the Tamils protesting outside Parliament are not only allowed to stay and block the roads and the tube station, but the police are protecting them when they try to kill themselves!
You bet, we’re not fathers4justice, you know what i’m saying?
Have you seen the wonderful new BBC series “The Speaker”?
What a marvellous idea and what a fantastic double act Alistair Campbell and Jo Brand make.
They are both highly principled, talented, intelligent people and I would love them to have a TV series of their own. perhaps looking at ethics, politics, and finding a way forward for our multi-cultural British society in the 21st Century.
Alastair Campbell is a fucking psychopath and Jo Brand is an odious, smug, talentless hypocrite.
What a fantastical way to demonstrate the value of the TV-Tax…
Another 1% of the population will refuse to be extorted by the TVLA.
brilliant post. I thought irony was dead.
Just an idea for the labour trolls watching this blog: if you call an election now, then you have a much better chance of winning in 5 years when the tories prove to be useless. Any longer and you will mess up the whole country so much that people will keep the tories in power just to stop you from ruining it any further. At least, until we get doubleplusnewlabour
so where’s all the street camera footage then ?
..Its a good job this clip was given to a paper , and not to the investigation direct
Yes yes, but why cant I continue with the seven poster IDs I used to have on ere?
Easter Rising! Solemn procession to protest the killing of Ian Tomlinson.
Easter Saturday, assemble 11:30am, Bethnal Green.
Move off at 12:00 noon to lay flowers where Ian was killed, close to Bank of England. Wear black.
Called by G20 Meltdown. Please circulate widely. By order of the Government of the Dead.
http://www.g-20meltdown.org
Hmmmmm!
Anyone up for a quiet stroll in the city on saturday?
I’ll pass I think.
The boys in blue are stroppy that the media are twisting the footage!
http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=33373
and are the media twisting the footage ? and if so are you happy with that ?
If that forum is an insight into how modern police officers think then God help us all. The prejudice, arrogance and ignorance displayed there is breathtaking. The 5ft tall officer writing that because of his short stature he will resort to any means available to “eject” someone from his “personal space” is an absolute disgrace to policing.
You want some??
OK. Give me 1/2 kilo.
To those many other people with film and photos of this murder, please let the
Guardian Newspaper have it BEFORE you provide it to any supposed enquiry. You could always provide it to http://wikileaks.org/ if you are fearful that you may be stopped or in any way hindered from providing it to the Guardian Newspaper.
Carol, glad to see you have made your mind up before all the facts are known. This is alien to our justice system in the UK where people are asked to decide AFTER all the facts are presented. Truley you would sit well in the supreme Soviet !
A man was struck from behind by a masked police officer. The Police Officer was not in danger, not defending himself. The assaulted man later died.
It is you who could well sit in the Supreme Soviet. You NuLabour facsist arsehole.
Minekiller tis you who is the arsehole, are you grumpy because your giro isnt due till the end of the week ? Sponging bastard.!
no doubt the police had been following tomlinson for ages and thought that he had ‘mongolian eyes’?
ius this murder of an innocent the tipping point
is this the stage at which the masses rise up
and ask for our country back?
To think it really has come to this, make’s me feel desolate. l see no other solution. lt’s like watching someone you love so dearly die an agonising death.
Do try to keep up Guido, I was writing about this back in September 2007!
Guido – where’s the beef on this story??????
I think the guy that filmed this should be arrested immediately – doesn’t he know its illegal to photograph the police?
I didn’t think I could become more disgusted by the venality of our MPs. I was wrong. I’m ashamed of our parliament and the 646 criminals in there.
737 comments (thus far) must be some kind of a record.
Well done the snout troughers for facilitating this important milestone…
The Romans dealt with a rogue legion by randomly selecting 10% of them and killing them. In the case of our cowardly murdering police 20% would be more reasonable.
All right wingers should be shot for being stupid. I’ve never met one who doesn’t have their head firmly entrenched up their own arse.
Wait for the line “I’ve seen this coming for years and was alerted to it by the fact that tories may have, or probably were doing the same thing as we are currently doing to screw you all out of as much as possible before being dumped at the next election. If it wasn’t for the American’s we’d have had more time to sort out the whole expenses mess before it happened”
I’ll be setting sail before this news breaks…
The MPs must have got him in a dark alley
Whilst you are waiting – have some fun with this:
make your own anti-terrorism poster
Derek Draper is a kunt.
Exclusive footage of Police murdering bystander at G20 protest posted on Grauniad website
http://www.guardian.co.uk
Shocking. Call me old-fashioned, but I expect the police to behave like heroes not zeroes. Scary to think the officer responsible might progress to firearms training.
Wow. I wonder how they’ll spin this. Pity he wasn’t black.
This is what the IPCC and BBC describe as “contact with the police”
It’s all very well being judge and jury, but why don’t you do us all a favour and shut your stupid mouth.
Do you really think the old bill go out to kill people – probably you do as you are clearly part of the zanuliebour guardian reading scum.
Wait and see what the independant investigation brings and where a court will decide if the officer acted correctly or their were other facts that may have a bearing on what took place.
You Hoon.
or Brazilian.
He was white, very English looking, most probably heterosexual, he had his hands in his pockets and was walking home from work to watch the England football match.
He was asking for it wasn’t he? :(
Imagine if he was a moslem, the poor old bbc wouldn’t have a clue how to spin it.
I do like a nice Brazilian.
Is that a Cigar, Coffee or is my education lacking?
A shaven Hoon.
I supose Mr de Menez had no “contact with the police”
Freeborn Englishman minding his own business murdered in cold blood
I’m Harman_Pride will be here to remind us about terror laws shortly…..
Maybe he supported hunting ?
Provocative bastard!!
Nevertheless the Fascist bastards give it him…
Do you really think the old bill go out to kill people-
yes probably!
The Police wouldn’t have assaulted a Muslim.
What do you think the odds are that the police will shoot a protestor dead in the UK before the end of the summer?
Probably not, but under Zanu, they now obviously think they can act like some continental Stasi, and they obviously don’t give a fuck who sees them at it. How many people did they kill during the Miner’s Strike? How many did they kill during the actual riots of the early eighties? None, as far as I can recall.
And consider this. What do you think the charge would be if I smashed a middle-aged man repeatedly from behind with a club, so that he fell to the ground and a few minutes later died? The ‘investigation’ I’d be facing would be trial for murder.
The men in the Guardian video are swaggering, semi-trained bully-boys, a disgrace to their uniform, and to the professionalism of their predecessors. They should be in prison.
New Labour, New Britain, eh?
We really are a Stasi country
Liars and chancers and thieves for politicians
The Lying Police are just following the example of their leaders
R I P Tomlinson
RIP Decency
RIP Standards of decency
RIP the British Way of Life
THANK YOU BLAIR , BROWN AND NULAB
You have destored a country and its values
I wish the Boyz in Blue would behave in the same manner toward the thieving Pikeys who are a plague and curse to all law abiding people in the boonies. Instead they are terrified to go into their “camps” and reclaim stolen property, seize their illegal vehicles, and ensure their truant children attend school.
Double standards as usual.
Fat chance of that happening…
They’re too busy filling in the tick boxes of Jaquboot Smith’s Home Office forms.
Doesn’t need to be a protestor; an innocent bystander on a train’ll do for the police.
I’ll put down a fiver that an opposition MP gets his head sawn off by the met before 2010.