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Max Clifford says…
“Most people want to read nasty things about people, not nice things.”
DisgustedOfMitcham2 says:
Maybe if they really wanted to “decontaminate the Labour brand” with business people, they shouldn’t have totally buggered up the economy?
Just a thought.
So, Malcolm Muggeridge and the West Country comedian and entrepreneur Jethro are biting Paxman.
Hmmm. The 45 per cent story is now headline news on the BBC. No, actually, it is not.
Peter Mandelson’s comments about the Tories’ uncertainty on the 45p rate are the headline. Funny that.
Pravda spinning away as usual.
meanwhile the ZaNuLab ‘government’ has postponed its Spending Assessment to avoid frightening the voters before attempting to lie their way back into power for a fourth nightmare term.
That’ll leave a mark.
Always thought Cameron was tasty,
something about Tories struggling..
ha ha
something about Labour
something about global economic turmoil
something .. ahh even as a parody the Huhnes boring.
Tra laa
off for a toss
You dirty little cow. Now off you go, wash your hands and go make the tea
The reason why BBC people are so outraged by the 45% tax rate is that most of them will have to pay it. Up until now they have been having rather a good recession. It msut be quite stressful for them, surely there must be something that can be done about it under the Human Rights act.
It is so unfair that the well heeled are going to have to suffer.
Personally, being a member of the Riff raff class, I would be more than happy to be earning enough money to be threatened by a 45% tax rate. My answer to these peolpe is eat some more cake and stop blody whining.
Why don’t you get a proper job then? Jealous Hoon.
Real realist – The people that have messed this country up…the MPs, bankers. financial wizzards and the like are all on more than £100k.
I say stick their tax upto 70%.
All this rubbish about the best people will leave the Country…. like Fred the Shred??
FFS – there are plenty of people on less money that could do the job as well
Oh dear.
Clarke appointed Shadow Chancellor in secret deal-nice one dave.
Clarke only said what is blindingly obvious – Brown & Co have bankrupted the country and it’s going to take 5 years and possibly longer to get the country back on an even financial keel and they are going to bet ough years too tax wise- the pledge on Inheritance Tax was made in “better times”. There will be other priorities and people have to face a few “home truths” along the way and that includes quite a few in the Tory party. There will very likely be NO tax reductions for a least the first term of a Tory Administration and more than likely tax increases because the country is skint courtesy of Mr Brown. So p[eople have a choice – support the Conservatives to get the country sorted whatever it takes in taxes etc or carry one with the “never never” land of Labour and Brown plunging the country further and further into the mire
heeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyy
shit country
But will wee george be happy as ken’s deputy?
I see you have some new false teeth, Norman.
The POPE
What a wanker.
- he claims condoms not important in the fight to prevent spread of HIV.
No doubt some of you Guardianistas will defend this.
Bollocks. The Guardianistas hate all religion because its not run by committees and quangos. Global warming is their religion.
I’m not a catholic, but I think the critisicms of the pope are unfair.
You have to see where he’s coming from.
In Catholicism, you are supposed to learn that sex comes with
love and marriage. Now you and I may not agree with that,
but you must at least accept this is the pope’s position.
From that standpoint the pope is right. Condoms
don’t really have much of a part to play in fighting aids.
Abstinance and fidelity are probably much more powerful.
Just not as easy.
Auberon Waugh once wrote in Private Eye that there would not be an AIDS epidemic if we all followed the teachings of the Roman Catholic church. I have to admit, he is absolutely right!
You are quite right, a good wank is often as rewarding as a shag and far less demanding.
I expect the Pope knows this only too well
I never cease to be amazed as to the proportion of the public who think that percentages are absolute numbers, i.e. paying 45% is “only 5 more” than 40%, and two people both paying 25% somwhow are contributing the same cash amount in tax.
If tax payments were capped at a monetary amount (as they are for non doms or residents of Gibraltar) it would surely produce a swift influx of enonomically active migrants, rather than the current flow of financially pointless (but Labourloving) Sangattistas.
You don’t need to cap tax – just reduce benefits and perks for the free-loaders…
And I especially would include reducing the “ACA” for MPs…
“You don’t need to cap tax”. I beg to differ. Whilst I think it reasonable to have a certain insurance element to tax payments (i.e. paying for something you may or may not need to use in future) an overall limit on contributions would have a massive effect on the desireability of a country as a domicile. Agree on the benefits and perks point, though. When the safety net is set high enough to allow people to buy 62″ plasma screens and go on holiday twice a year, way in excess of what the poorer end of the productive population can aofford, there’s something seriously awry.
Let’s face it you never cease to be amazed, full stop!
Tra laa!
Oh great . Ambrose is on the Late Shift. 1-10pm. Have to read his inanities until this evening. why don’t you get a proper job . And before you say it, Gordon Brown’s cock-washer is not a proper job
What I want is a flat tax. 10% sounds about right.
Call Mr Greedy McNulty and tell him what you think of him:
House of Commons Phone number: 020 7219 4108
Constituency Phone number: 020 8427 2100
never mind phoning the thieving bastard up, can’t we just string him up?
natural justice, innit?
“”Constituency Phone number: 020 8427 2100″”
Tell me Leon – is that his Office, his parents house, his second home, his third home or somewhere else..
I called and spoke to his ‘secretary’ (wife / daughter?!) who said she’d be pleased to pass on my comments to him and would make sure i got a copy of the report when it was published. Report? You mean that document that will claim that McNulty has done nothing that was ‘not in the rules’ and actually we should blame America / the Tories / the weather / Daily Mail…..
Looks like today’s gonna be another shit day for NuLab!
The Curse of Brown…
The financial crisis has struck at the heart of Gordon Brown ‘s constituency with the Dunfermline Building Society allegedly needing a £60m taxpayer bailout. The mutual, Scotland ‘s biggest society, would be the first in the sector to require public rescue in what would be another blow to local financial prestige following problems at the Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS.
Fucking great. So it turns out that it wasn’t all the fault of those pesky yanks after all. Is anybody suggesting that the Dunfermline Building Society got fucked over by massive wholesale borrowing using dodgy MBS from the Great Satan. Or did they, like HBoS, just go over large into commercial property. Which is now worth fuck all because the great British consumer has finally woken up to the insanity of basing their spending power on eternally increasing house prices.
What is it about these Scottish Institutions? What level of maths are these people being taught in Scottish schools? Because the evidence suggest that it’s fucking shit. We shouldn’t be blaming the idiot bankers of Scotland. We should be blaming the fucking shit maths teachers of Scotland.
Anyway, there it is. The great lie exposed once again. The weakest building society in the UK, like the weakest banks, started in Scotland.
A global crisis that started in Fife.
Fuckwits all. And I know, ‘cos I was there. [Hat tip to Max Boyce].
What a crap cartoon. There’s nowt weak about Cameron. Tebbit and Johnson are just gobshites who will be ignored as usual except for desperate Labour shills trying to stir up dissent where no effective dissent exists.
There’s only one choice now: David Cameron or five more years of Brown.
Take yer pick.
They are all as bad as each other, no contest – troughing, self-serving bastards.
There is no real choice. We are fucked.
Fuck off you Labour troll, you’re fooling no-one with your desperate “they’re all as bad as each other” bollox.
Brown
Cameron
er, wrong assessment old boy.
hung parliament mofo, hung parliament this time round.
place your bets.
I have.
Hung from the fucking rafters if there’s any justice.
Is it Tebbitt? Really?
I’d have put money on Vince Cable!
Yeh, great lets cut taxes! That’ll sound about right!
Only a political fuck wit would talk about tax cuts in this climate.
But then again I suppose it all depends if you prefer losing general elections.
Cut public services, raise taxes, blame the new labour and the City – clear enough for you!
Honest to god what planet are some people on!
>>Yeh, great lets cut taxes! That’ll sound about right!
Only a political fuck wit would talk about tax cuts in this climate.<<
Actually “Eileen” there are plenty of sound arguments for tax
cutting in a recession if you’ve studied Economics. Although it
does depend which school of economics you support.
I’d go over them with you, but it doesn’t sound like you’re
in the mood to listen.
I think fuckwit is one word, rather than two. Though I wouldn’t
bet my life on it.
I’m sorry, I did sound rather angry darling didn’t I!
You are of course right to point out that there are other approaches to stimulating growth. I believe tax cuts help the poor.
But if you don’t have the power to make changes its all pub talk at the end of the day.
Having endured month after month of doom the public will find it very hard to believe anyone who offers anything other than extreme thrift.
People want to be punished for spending the last 10 years getting pissed and spending money they didn’t have! They want nanny to spank them hard!
It’s the mood you see, its not a technical thang!
People vote Tory when they want the big smelly decisions taking, they vote Labour for a bit of fun!
So will Dave persuade us to swallow the nasty medicine? Or will he go all ‘wobbly’ on us?
Interesting way to look at it!
Not that I really had a lot of “fun” on Labour’s watch.
At least, none that can be attributed to what Labour did.
I think its dangerous to talk about tax-rises without
first proving you’ve stopped pouring the money you have
right now down the drain.
People can and will accept tax rises as long as those tax
rises go hand-in-hand with massive public sector
spending reductions.
Let’s not talk about “there’s no money” while simultaneously
giving huge amounts of money away on bizarre government
vanity projects. There’s no credibility in it.
Ok so I know that the guy on the right is Grizzly Adams, but why is he biting Melvyn Bragg? And who is the one on the left?
And why don’t you have cartoons done by someone who can draw and preferably come up with less crap ideas.
I’d like to second that. I mean I can’t draw worth a shit. So I don’t. Although I recognise Tebbitt the other two are anybodies guess.
I thought Boris looked quite a lot like Boris. Cameron
could have been better.
Boris looks like an ample Rick Parfitt from Status Quo and Tebbit looks like an evil and possessed Menzies Campbell.
Ar’ ha’ saved 67,000 million UK chil’en from yon Chil’ Povvy this past week alone.
An’ ar’ ha’e created 67,000 million jobs for British wukers wi’ ma’ aen hands.
An’ ar’ ha’ created 67,000 million terrarists wi’ help fra’ ma’ wee Plumpy helper Mz. Jacky Boot tha’ cook.
An’ tractor production is even higher.
An’ mind ye well, – wi’ sich figgas, ye ca’ see full well tha’ nuthen’s ma fult!
A’sides, – ar’ nivva listen to anyone ‘cept masel’ ye ken!
An’ yon’ Tory boys ar’ll nivver kno wot ar’ did’ wi’ th’ money!
That extra 5%. You know, the ‘stick the rich’ tax that plays to the Labour core vote. That’s going to raise an extra 2bn quid a year. Back in the early days of insanity, from 2001 – 2007 this imbecile government of mathematical and economic fuckwits, was running deficits of 30 – 40bn quid every year.
So if we taxed ‘the rich’ at 100%. Fuck 45% we would still ‘only’ be raising another 12 x 2 = 24bn quid a year. We still wouldn’t be able to afford the million bedwetters and box-tickers recruited by Brown to marginal constituencies. Labour. Voting. For the use of.
And that is why we are so uniquely fucked amongst the major economic nations.
There is no way we can afford that million. And how does Brown address this problem? Last year he recruited another 30,000 of the fuckers.
That is why we are so completely fucked. That is why we will have a deficit of 100bn this year and closer to 200bn next year. Brown is fucking insane. The entire Labour government need machine-gunning. All of them. They have destroyed the UK. There can be no reward for failure. It just isn’t credible that they don’t know what they’re doing. Sure, most of them are ex-liber art teacher types and mathematics-lite union time-servers. But still.
Their glib lies and bare-faced fuckwittery is a fucking abomination.
And still they can get 30% of this idiot population to vote for them. A constituency of self-harmers. The suicide-squads of democracy.
Yep. That pretty much sums it up. Sadly.
Of course, if we sack them all now, then we have to pay their
redundancy claims, retraining schemes, rehousing… and benefits.
What a mess.
Campbell and the spinmeisters at no 10 must have been rejoicing. The biased beeb ran the Clarke story as their lead in yesterdays News24 (shortly followed by jade). The biased beeb are desperate to present the conservatives as split “tory tax wars” and they got their headline because of the odd mistaken word by Ken, it just shows how desperate they are. This non story say a lot more about the biased beeb than it does about the conservatives.
As Redwood points out in his blog a few days ago:
“I should point out that Labour’s tax trap soon brought me a phone call from the BBC. Would I like to go on to condemn the 45p? If I said yes, that would make the story “Tory tax wars”, which they would love. Meanwhile yesterday an offer to appear on Newsnight to discuss the debt petered out without any explanation before I had the details of time and place, and an accepted offer to do the Today programme this morning on the same subject was cancelled. Was it something I said, or something I would not say?”
They really need to be sorted out and cut down to size. They did very little on McNutters fiddle, but how can you forget the firestorm they created over yachtgate…. They also seemed to ignore the IMF latest warnings (as they did in 2005, 2006 and 2007). What type of expensive news service are we getting for our money? Answer: an effing awful biased ‘right on’ one.
Let’s cut the crap. Of all the decisions that are going to have to be taken to repair the damage that McSnot has done, a 45% higher rate income tax will be one of the least painful that has to be taken.
OK it maybe doesn’t raise more income, but is any sane Tory, who actually wants to get into power, going to be stupid enough to oppose this when the election campaign begins. If they did, every single time any of them talked about the need for tough action to get the public finance sorted it will be met by a barrage of “yes, but you are cutting taxes for the rich you heartless tory bastards and babies will die”
It’s a trap, step over it, Campbell and Mandelson will come up with many more over the coming months – simply point out that Brown is playing politics whilst the government-in-waiting is concentrating on the trillion pound deficit.
What are the Tories going to do if McDoom decides 45% is not enough it needs to be 50%. Then they will be back to “sticking up for rich bankers.” They should have said “we’re not getting into these games and will set out our tax plans in our manifesto.” That would hold the line.
It used to be a “chicken in every pot” now it’s a “plasma on every wall.”
Because “we’re not getting into these games and will set out our tax plans in our manifesto” might look good on paper but would be ripped into as (a) underlining the ‘do-nothing’ charge, (b) confirming that the Tories have no idea how to deal with this, it’s no time for novices and (c) the Tories have a secret plan for cuts in taxes for the rich and services for the poor but won’t tell the British public.
Now I know and you know that these are inherently contradictory but that won’t stop Campbell and Mandelson driving the media to play these messages.
What I’m sure Cameron and his team understand is that the election campaign will get very, very dirty.
Campbell and Mandelson are motivated by two things: beating the Tories and, much more importantly, being seen to deliver “the project” whatever that might be. The “project” this time might be a fourth term, it might be Mandelson as PM, it might be joint-sainthoods for Tony and Cherie – who knows – but the Tories must not underestimated Campbell and Mandelson’s skills at delivering a winning political campaig.
QED
Rexel 56-spot on.
And what odds that Toenails Robinson will run this as the next story on his blog.Labour sleaze story?Perish the thought.
Disarray and confusion in the Tory ranks and its command and control is not in command or control.
Are they nervous?
Yes they are!
Tra laa!
masturbateur
How do you like your Ken Clarke and Boris Johnson?
Answer: Rowing round in circles!
Tra laa!
Positively Dali-esque.
hung parliament ambrose pillock,
tra la la la la!
Sick as Sieves
Tra laa!
Ambrose,
I see that your name is an anagram of “Blair mess OK”. Clearly you use the perfect profile name for a Government apologist.
Dolly must have been up all night thinking that one up for you.
What a smug prick you are Ambrose slit,and as thick as fuck with it!
Tra laa and FUCKOFF!
Ohh. That last one stung.
Why don’t you appreciate my intellect. I’ve seen all of Twin Peaks..and I understood it! Did you know Captain Kirk’s middle name is Tiberius. Same as mine! If Spock was chancellor we wouldn’t have this financial mess.
Worship my wit, not call me a tit.
Tragh Lach.. laa di da di dum.
The Tories have lost the plot, again.
They have few policies. Those they have are wholly discredited. Their MP’s are weak, directionless, unemployable.
Pathetic that with the education some have enjoyed their best ideas are to wheel out an OAP who is divisive at best.
Why bother voting for either Zanu or diaper Dave? They seem identical.
And by the way, I am a Tory.
No, you’re not a Tory. You’re a fucking liar and if that’s the best you can come up with then it must be desperate in the bunker right now.
But though you are a Tory, you intend to vote Labour now for ever and ever!
Yeah, right…
Draper!
Yes, this is not a Conservative blog. It’s just an abuse anyone with an opinion that might contradict the Conservative Party.
Tra laa!
Last week my Torygraph headline screamed income tax up, only fair blah blah blah; today that OAP advises it is only aspirational to increase the threshold of IHT to £1m.
What more can they do to kick their main supporter base in the crutch.
Now they have abandoned the tea sipping, fete hugging, income producers – who else is left?
There are no other capitalist democratic parties to choose from so yes I am a Tory. Wish I could say I was proud to be.
They couldn’t produce a greater group of weak, lacklustre, spineless unemployables if they tried. At least Zanu members shag girls.
Vote for popular coup. We need a second Cromwell to sort this lot out.
We need a Charles II. It is the sodding Cromwell-wanna-be who has caused this mess. Much like he did the first time.
BTW Brown makes Cromwell look like an intellectual giant and a shrinking flower of modesty, so we are in at least as much, if not more, shit than by the end of the Protectorate in May 1649. It is the 450th aniversary of the end of the English Dictatorship – sorry, Protectorate – on 25 May.
You are right, a second Cromwell indeed. We really need someone to close the alehouses, commit war crimes, order summary executions without trial, impose religious observance, oppress women, abolish Christmas and bombard churches full of innocent women and children.
Ermm….. I think I was nearly right with the pubs closing and the war crimes bit??!!
Not 450 but 350 years. Bugger. Now I’m going to have to re-print all the greetings cards or else wait another 100 years. The way things are going, Gordon will still be Queen in 2109 and he’ll be as wrinkly as Quentin Crisp in ‘Orlando’.
(a) underlining the ‘do-nothing’ charge,
(b) confirming that the Tories have no idea how to deal with this, it’s no time for novices and
(c) the Tories have a secret plan for cuts in taxes for the rich and services for the poor but won’t tell the British public.
Absolutely!
Tra laa!
I’m supposed to be worried about a hypothetical 45% tax rate for the less than 1% of population that earn that kind of money, people like Mandyqueer will not pay it anyway.
I am worried about inheritance tax, an unfair tax for people that pay tax on their earnings, taxed again on saving in, taxed again on spending the now taxed twice money, and taxed again on the assets giving it to their family when they die?! Meanwhile chav scum New Labour voters have a cradle to grave protection at taxpayers expense. F-off.
Why is there is no mention by the Labour loving press of how New Labour have pissed off £2.5Trillian to their banker friends, nearly 5 years of UK GDP IN A GOOD YEAR. That will take taxpayers forever to pay off for Mandy’s Med boat loving banker friends.
I do not give a stuff about people on £150k a year.
This will be in place after the election so its not a conservative ‘policy’ – does anybody think that its a good slogan to say ‘more taxes for the poor but less for the rich’?
Tebbit and Boris are pilliocks.
Osborne is being sound. And Clarke is being sensible too. The IHT is quietly now not an immediate issue. I hope it can be eased in time – but of far greater issue to me is the tax allowances for 20p and 40p earners. Its the same with the electorate I think you will find.
You are bit of a pilliock too
Please someone shoot me, Gordon’s coming round to inspect his minions in a bit and I’m afraid he might play with my tiny willy!
Piddle dee dee/Tra la oh God.
I suspect that, to Gordon, all other willies look huge.
I can put you in touch with a good accountant friend of mine and TB , Lord No Tax on 5% Levy.
Oh, yes, biased BBC again. Let’s see what the headlines are from other sources:
Daily Mail:
Tories’ tax policy in disarray after Ken Clarke hints death duty cut for middle class is no longer a priority
Daily Telegraph
Tories deny top-level rift over inheritance tax
The Sun
A GAFFE by top Tory Ken Clarke had the party in a shambles yesterday over a key tax policy.
The Daily Express
TORIES DENY INHERITANCE TAX SPLIT
Why all the fuss,by the time Labour have finished with me there will be fuckall left for my kids to inherit apart from a huge debt.
The Mail & Telegraph dump on the tories on a regular basis, but they dump on Liebour as well. The BBC only dumps on the Tories unless a story gets too big & the BBC then helps the Government to spin the story. At the same time there were three proper stories reflecting badly on liebour the McNutter fiddle, Griffiths bonking in the house and Myners dodging taxes while the BBC has Mandelson shouting about “tory tax chaos”.
Cometh the day cometh the cuts
You fucking Child.
Boo Hoo. Nasty BBC. Nasty Labour
I’ll boo hoo you! You effing hoon!
The strange thing is that Tebbit and Johnson are shown with teeth!
The only thing the media ever use Tebbit for is to frighten the kiddies with ‘tales of the grim days of Thatcher’ and BoJo is being discredited in the media by the day.
Shit story from a bunch of shits
The Conservative Party always has been a divided party irrespective of all the attempts to paper over the cracks.
and labour aren’t?
yes they all love the fuhrer…..
when will you people grow up?
in the real world we are allowed to have opinions…..most of us do not behave like sheep.
pathetic.
You silly person
Only you have indicated your location.
We know it’s a playground, all we have to establish is in which school it is located.
It doesn’t matter if they are divided or not you simpering nulab troll, it is a good thing for party MPs to be able to speak their mind.
You have become too used to the blind obeisance of the nulab MPs who will not dare voice an opinion.
MPs, let us remind ourselves, should be in parliament to represent their constituents’ interests, not the interests of the party. At least, until we get a proper democracy.
Now do you believe that Ken Clarke spoke his mind when he admitted that the £1 million Inheritance Tax Threshold was only an “aspiration” or when he was whipped into line to deny this change in the only Conservative policy on record when he stated that “it would happen in the first term of a Tory government”
Scripted nonsense to please the ovine flock!
What’s Rick Parfitt from Status Quo doing biting chunks out of Dave? ; )
We need a land tax
Them fookin toons man….
Like Johnny Morris…
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