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		<title>We&#8217;re Off, But Before We Go</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guido is, Aer Lingus allowing, off to the home country this weekend and Neo-Guido is off to Russia, so there is not likely to be anything posted this weekend. Nevertheless Guido is sure co-conspirators will enjoy passing the time reading Toby Young&#8217;s patient and fair-minded shredding of Mehdi Hasan&#8217;s Debt Delusion, available for £1.79 from Amazon. It is [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=order-order.com&amp;blog=7515463&amp;post=59741&amp;subd=orderorder&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guido is, <em>Aer Lingus</em> allowing, off to the home country this weekend and Neo-Guido is off to Russia, so there is not likely to be anything posted this weekend. Nevertheless Guido is sure co-conspirators will enjoy passing the time reading Toby Young&#8217;s <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100119735/new-statesmans-political-editor-is-wrong-about-the-debt-crisis/">patient and fair-minded shredding</a> of Mehdi Hasan&#8217;s <em><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005E87CHC/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_til?tag=globalgrowtho-21&amp;camp=1406&amp;creative=6394&amp;linkCode=as1&amp;creativeASIN=B005E87CHC&amp;adid=16VB4NGVPTQHAC7S9PQT&amp;">Debt Delusion</a></em>, available for <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005E87CHC/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_til?tag=globalgrowtho-21&amp;camp=1406&amp;creative=6394&amp;linkCode=as1&amp;creativeASIN=B005E87CHC&amp;adid=16VB4NGVPTQHAC7S9PQT&amp;">£1.79 from Amazon</a>. It is worth enriching Mehdi in a small way to enjoy how his forcefully made assertions have unravelled as the Eurozone debt crisis has worsened. <span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>Mehdi&#8217;s central claims have been shown by the worsening debt crisis<em> to be false within months of being made</em>.</em></span></p>
<p><a href="http://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/mehdi-hasan-deficit-denier.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-27621 alignright" title="mehdi-hasan-deficit-denier" src="http://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/mehdi-hasan-deficit-denier.jpg" alt="" width="144" height="144" /></a>In the piece Toby notably draws attention to argumentative Mehdi&#8217;s often used trick of appealing to the authority of others to back up his opinions, committing the classic fallacy of <em>argumentum ad verecundiam. </em>Guido suspects that is because Mehdi is not confident that his argument stands alone on its own shaky foundations. Toby doesn&#8217;t mention thin-skinned Mehdi&#8217;s other trait, which reflects badly on him, of just dismissing an argument because someone he finds disagreeable makes it. He will describe the opponent&#8217;s argument as <em>&#8220;hysterical&#8221;</em> or <em>&#8220;desperate&#8221;</em> when in reality it is just contrary to his own. Mehdi does the converse of <em>argumentum ad verecundiam</em> when he seeks <em>confirmation by disapprobation,</em> dismissing an opposing argument because the proponent is someone he holds in disdain. <span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>Mehdi should resist his tendency to do this and take on Toby&#8217;s critique head-on.</em></span></p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Guido Fawkes</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Benedict Brogan writes paradoxically&#8230; &#8220;Britain&#8217;s bond yields are the sheet anchor keeping us afloat in the storm.&#8221; Tagged: Profundity of the Punditry<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=order-order.com&amp;blog=7515463&amp;post=58829&amp;subd=orderorder&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benedict Brogan writes paradoxically&#8230;</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Britain&#8217;s bond yields are the sheet anchor keeping us afloat in the storm.&#8221;</em></p>
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		<title>Despair on the Left</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gaddafi provided support over the years to not just the IRA but a rag-bag of left-wing fringe groups. There were many on the left who were not keen on taking on the tyrant in Tripoli. The New Statesman&#8217;s Mehdi Hasan was lamenting the dictator&#8217;s demise and the &#8220;imperialist war&#8221; waged by the West last night. That [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=order-order.com&amp;blog=7515463&amp;post=49528&amp;subd=orderorder&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Gaddafi provided support over the years to not just the IRA but a rag-bag of left-wing fringe groups. There were many on the left who were not keen on taking on the tyrant in Tripoli. The <em>New Statesman&#8217;s</em> Mehdi Hasan was lamenting the dictator&#8217;s demise and the &#8220;imperialist war&#8221; waged by the West last night. <span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>That kind of thinking is common on the left.</em></span></p>
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		<title>Chris Bryant Replaces Richard Ingrams at the Indy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Guido Fawkes</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guido has a sense that the Indy has, post-Hari, improved under the new editor Chris Blackhurst, the news values seem to have sharpened up a bit. It is somewhat questionable however that it is really as free from proprietorial interference as it claims on the masthead. Chris Bryant seems to have replaced Richard Ingrams as [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=order-order.com&amp;blog=7515463&amp;post=51080&amp;subd=orderorder&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Guido has a sense that the <em>Indy</em> has, post-Hari, improved under the new editor Chris Blackhurst, the news values seem to have sharpened up a bit. It is somewhat questionable however that it is really as free from proprietorial interference as it claims on the masthead. Chris Bryant seems to have replaced Richard Ingrams as an <em>Indy</em> columnist, sadly his column isn&#8217;t quite as good as Ros Taylor&#8217;s parody of him, over which he threatened to <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2006/nov/21/correctionsandclarifications">sue the <em>Guardian</em></a>. Coincidentally Chris is a friend of Lebedev&#8217;s son Evgeny and was at a recent dinner party with the oligarch&#8217;s offspring. <span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>Evgeny &#8220;speaks regularly&#8221; to Chris Blackhurst, no doubt about the weather&#8230;</em></span></p>
<p>It is also said that the new editor is looking at the cost of the strip cartoon by Sally Ann Lasson.<span style="color:#ff0000;"><em> The current editor doesn&#8217;t find her as funny as the old editor Simon Kelner did, but then he is married to Sally&#8230;</em></span></p>
<p>Elsewhere the <em>Telegraph</em> is said to be contemplating hiring the<em> Guardian&#8217;s</em> feminist writer <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/tanyagold">Tanya Gold</a> for their political team. <span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>It would never have happened in Heffer&#8217;s day&#8230;</em></span></p>
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		<title>FT Editor Wants to Tax and Regulate Guido</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Guido Fawkes</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The FT&#8217;s cerebral editor Lionel Barber gave the Fulbright Lecture last night about media matters of concern to the chatterati (&#8220;The Future of News and Newspapers in the Digital Revolution&#8220;). Barber joins the chorus for a Media Standards Commission, with teeth, to replace the discredited Press Complaints Commission. Of interest to Guido was that he wants [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=order-order.com&amp;blog=7515463&amp;post=50587&amp;subd=orderorder&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/lionel-barber-ft-editor-m.jpg"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-50589" title="lionel-barber-ft-editor-m" src="http://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/lionel-barber-ft-editor-m.jpg?w=150&#038;h=114" alt="" width="150" height="114" /></a>The <em>FT&#8217;s</em> cerebral editor Lionel Barber gave the Fulbright Lecture last night about media matters of concern to the chatterati (<em>&#8220;<a href="http://aboutus.ft.com/2011/09/14/lionel-barbers-fulbright-lecture-the-future-of-news-and-newspapers-in-the-digital-revolution/">The Future of News and Newspapers in the Digital Revolution</a>&#8220;</em>). Barber joins the chorus for a Media Standards Commission, with teeth, to replace the discredited Press Complaints Commission.</p>
<p>Of interest to Guido was that he wants the regulator&#8217;s remit to cover blogs:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Should the new system embrace new media such as the Huffington Post UK or individual political bloggers such as Guido Fawkes?  My answer is Yes, not simply in the interests of a level playing field but also because the distinction between old and new media are rapidly becoming meaningless in the new digital eco-system.  New media is moving into reporting. Old media is blogging and tweeting, and using social media to promote and distribute news and analysis around the world.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>If bloggers don&#8217;t cooperate he wants <em>&#8220;a statutory levy on advertising revenues for non-participants, with such levies being used to fund the new body&#8221;. </em>Good luck with that, because it will require some extra-territorial innovations in international law. <span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>It is never going to happen, you&#8217;ll have to prise the keyboard out of Guido&#8217;s cold dead hands&#8230;</em></span></p>
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		<title>Andrew Pierce Goes All Hari On Us</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Neo-Guido</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guido has often highlighted the magpie tendencies of Mail columnist Andrew Pierce. He has been known to shamelessly lift content from this blog, now however after regular highlighting of this habit, he has stopped. It seems however that Andrew has found new pastures for &#8220;inspiration&#8221;. Pierce writes today: The excellent BBC Radio 4 series The Reunion brought together five past [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=order-order.com&amp;blog=7515463&amp;post=49329&amp;subd=orderorder&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Guido has often highlighted the magpie tendencies of <em>Mail</em> columnist Andrew Pierce. He has been known to shamelessly lift content from this blog, now however after regular highlighting of this habit, he has stopped. It seems however that Andrew has found new pastures for <em>&#8220;inspiration&#8221;</em>. Pierce <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-2028607/The-clocks-ticking-Jonah-Clegg.html#ixzz1VlZNIKaN" target="_blank">writes</a> today:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The excellent BBC Radio 4 series The Reunion brought together five past pupils of The Courtauld Institute Of Art, whose most famous director, Sir Anthony Blunt, was sensationally exposed as a  Soviet spy.The former Surveyor of the Queen’s Pictures was unmasked by Margaret Thatcher’s government as a member of the notorious 1950s Cambridge spy ring. Blunt’s pupils told listeners that they were worried Blunt would be remembered not as an  art historian but as a spy. Most people, surely, will remember him for what he really was — a traitor.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Which strangely reads just like a letter from <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/8712493/The-arrogance-of-senior-officers-is-holding-the-police-back.html" target="_blank">yesterday&#8217;s <em>Telegraph</em></a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The Blunt fact</em></p>
<p><em>SIR – A group of worthies on Radio 4’s The Reunion were concerned that Anthony Blunt may be remembered not as an art historian, but as a spy.</em><br />
<em>They need not worry. Although his Soviet controller was indeed a spy, Blunt himself was not.</em><br />
<em>He was a traitor.</em></p>
<p><em>Jon Ball</em><br />
<em>Dronfield, Derbyshire</em></p></blockquote>
<p>At first Guido thought this was just a coincidence, but then he had a look at some of the other snippets that would have been filed after lunch yesterday. Pierce writes:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>The ludicrous Sally Bercow has entered the Big Brother House. What are the odds now on her husband soon being evicted from the Speaker’s House?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>A good point, well made, in <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/8712551/Britains-debt-is-still-climbing-and-well-have-to-face-a-day-of-reckoning.html" target="_blank">Saturday&#8217;s <em>Telegraph</em></a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Housemates</em></p>
<p><em>SIR – Sally Bercow has entered the Big Brother house. The smart money is now on her husband being evicted from the Speaker’s House.</em></p>
<p><em> John Axon</em><br />
<em></em><em>Petts Wood, Kent</em></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>As a previous Assistant Editor of the Telegraph, Andrew should know about the audience crossover with the Mail&#8230;</em></span></p>
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		<title>World&#8217;s End Shouldn&#8217;t Cost Freedom of the Press</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2011/07/10/worlds-end-shouldnt-cost-freedom-of-the-press/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 09:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Guido Fawkes</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guido has read the News of the World since he was a paperboy in West London over 30 years ago. Those who don&#8217;t read it think &#8220;The Screws&#8221; is all titillation, randy vicars and soap stars. It is that and also great popular campaigning journalism at its best, reflecting the concerns of people other than [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=order-order.com&amp;blog=7515463&amp;post=44259&amp;subd=orderorder&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Guido has read the <em>News of the World</em> since he was a paperboy in West London over 30 years ago. Those who don&#8217;t read it think <em>&#8220;The Screws&#8221;</em> is all titillation, randy vicars and soap stars. It is that and also great popular campaigning journalism at its best, reflecting the concerns of people other than Islington<em> Indy</em> readers.</p>
<p>Politicians, the corrupt and evil feared it, <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/09/news-of-world-last-edition">today is a good day for them</a>. Unfortunately when the drive to get the story crossed over into illegally hacking the phones of victims of tragedies, the good guys became bad guys. It has always been the case that the best stories often have a dubious legal provenance involving deception, subterfuge or law breaking, that is done to get at the truth that wrongdoers are hiding. Investigative journalists everywhere, including this blog, do it because it is the only way to get the truth. <span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>Using the dark arts to sell more newspapers with ghoulish tales is, as many have said, disgusting and unacceptable.</em></span></p>
<p>Momentum is building for press regulation, politicians of all parties are keen to tame the feral press. Public opinion is shifting towards them. This would be a mistake. The rich and the powerful in this country would like nothing better than to have a craven and beholden press. In many countries this is exactly what they have and ordinary people are worse off for it. <span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>Privacy laws are a trojan horse for censorship.</em></span></p>
<p>Privacy from intrusion by the state or journalists who break the law by stealing photographs, hacking, climbing over the wall into your back garden, that should be protected. Privacy laws should not be a means to hide embarrassment for those who can afford to hire Schillings. <span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>That way lies an untouchable ruling elite.</em></span></p>
<p>In the end Murdoch closed the <em>News of the World</em> because he feared an advertiser and consumer boycott (plus to try take the heat off the Sky takeover). If you disapprove of a newspaper don&#8217;t buy and read it. That is simply the most powerful restraint you have on newspaper proprietors in a free democracy. <em><span style="color:#ff0000;">Even Rupert Murdoch fears his customers.</span></em></p>
<p>Restrictive press laws will be circumvented in the borderless internet age, however Guido would rather not have to try to expensively fight the good fight from permanently offshore. Meantime Guido wishes both his friends and enemies at <em>The Screws</em> the best of luck for the future.<span style="color:#ff0000;"><em> Oh, and thanks for paying the kids&#8217; school fees.</em></span></p>
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		<title>Oborne Flip Flops Again</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 23:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Guido Fawkes</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yesterday Peter Oborne in The Telegraph blasted Cameron for being in the sewer with Rebekah Brooks, Andy Coulson and James Murdoch. It was a terrific piece that Guido and everyone in the Westminster politico-media Village enjoyed immensely. Tim Montgomerie reminded us that it was just over a month ago that Oborne thought Cameron was on [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=order-order.com&amp;blog=7515463&amp;post=44104&amp;subd=orderorder&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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Yesterday Peter Oborne in <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100095686/david-cameron-is-in-the-sewer-because-of-his-news-international-friends/"><em>The Telegraph</em></a> blasted Cameron for being in the sewer with Rebekah Brooks, Andy Coulson and James Murdoch. It was a terrific piece that Guido and everyone in the Westminster politico-media Village enjoyed immensely. Tim Montgomerie <a href="http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2011/07/cameron-must-protect-britains-right-wing-newspapers-by-leading-the-clean-up-operation.html">reminded us</a> that it was just over a month ago that Oborne thought Cameron was on the verge of attaining <em>&#8220;heroic status&#8221;</em>.  Guido is second to none in admiration for Oborne, his books <em><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/141652665X/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_til?tag=globalgrowtho-21&amp;camp=1406&amp;creative=6394&amp;linkCode=as1&amp;creativeASIN=141652665X&amp;adid=0MW48W436ET05XY5QK5J&amp;" target="_blank">The Triumph of the Political Class</a></em> and <em><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0743275608/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_til?tag=globalgrowtho-21&amp;camp=1406&amp;creative=6394&amp;linkCode=as1&amp;creativeASIN=0743275608&amp;adid=1QYQKA5060TK95PD7NXW&amp;" target="_blank">The Rise of Political Lying</a></em> are the most compelling analyses of the failings of the British political class and client media. If he has a failing it is that he is a man who hopes for better and expects better of our political class, it is this that leads him to lavish praise on politicians whom he has high hopes for, thus he lauded praise on Cameron and then when Cameron, inevitably, disappointed him he turned and lashed him. <span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>When it comes to this hope and disappointment cycle he has previous.</em></span></p>
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<p>At the begining of the Brown premiership when David Miliband mulled over a coup he wrote an article explaining <em> <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1021847/PETER-OBORNE-Why-fit-Gordon-Browns-shoes.html" target="_self">Why none of them are fit to fill Gordon Brown&#8217;s shoes</a>,</em> in which he argued that<em> &#8220;</em><em>The Labour Party&#8217;s only hope is to rally behind the man it idolised for so long when he was Chancellor&#8221;. </em>Within a year he was warning of Brown&#8217;s<em> &#8220;<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1167174/PETER-OBORNE-Hubris-hoopla-claims-false-cynical-very-dangerous.html" target="_self">Hubris, hoopla and claims that were false, cynical and very, very dangerous</a>&#8220;, </em>calling Gordon Brown a cynical, dishonest liar.<em><span style="color:#ff0000;"> Quite a volte face.</span></em></p>
<p>Oborne gets into this situation because he wants to think the best of men, Guido on the other hand starts with the view that politicians are probably lying or crooked, or at least venal.<em><span style="color:#ff0000;"> This policy towards politicians makes for fewer about turns.</span><br />
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		<title>Hari was Dropped from GQ for &#8220;Concocted Journalism&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 20:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dylan Jones, editor of GQ, is telling people that Johann Hari was dropped from writing for the magazine because he concocted copy that mixed fact and fiction. You don&#8217;t say&#8230; Elsewhere more left-wing men of letters are breaking cover and saying openly what they have been muttering over the olive ciabatta in Hampstead and Islington. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=order-order.com&amp;blog=7515463&amp;post=43673&amp;subd=orderorder&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>Dylan Jones, editor of <em>GQ</em>, is telling people that Johann Hari was dropped from writing for the magazine because he concocted copy that mixed fact and fiction. <span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>You don&#8217;t say&#8230;</em></span></p>
<p>Elsewhere more left-wing men of letters are breaking cover and saying openly what they have been muttering over the olive ciabatta in Hampstead and Islington. Martin Bright, who was an Orwell Prize judge this year, has come down hard tempered with mercy. In a tone which echoes Guido&#8217;s headmasters before a caning he <a href="http://www.spectator.co.uk/martinbright/7065023/the-johann-hari-affair.thtml#comments">writes</a>:</p>
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<blockquote><p><em>Simply put, Johann Hari has let the side down. Several sides in fact. He has let down his fellow journalists, he has let down fellow liberals and he has let down the Orwell Prize&#8230; I feel a genuine sympathy for him on a personal level. There is something psychologically peculiar about attributing quotes in the way he did. And now through his arrogance he has drawn his editor and the Orwell Prize into this appalling mess. </em><em>Johann Hari has disgraced himself. The Orwell Prize must come to its own decision about his prize. I hope his career survives this because he would be a loss to journalism. But if anyone is to believe what he writes in future he has to stop making excuses and simply explain his mystifying behaviour, honestly and openly. That is a piece I would read.</em></p></blockquote>
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<p><a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/184604149X/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_til?tag=globalgrowtho-21&amp;camp=1406&amp;creative=6394&amp;linkCode=as1&amp;creativeASIN=184604149X&amp;adid=1JEBS3TY0Y2NV7FZ8M4A&amp;"><img class="alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-43679" title="MalalaiJoyaRaisingMyVoicecover" src="http://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/malalaijoyaraisingmyvoicecover.jpg?w=92&#038;h=150" alt="" width="92" height="150" /></a>Elsewhere the novelist Jeremy Dun demands Hari <a href="http://jeremyduns.blogspot.com/2011/07/johann-hari-should-admit-he-is.html">admit he is a plagiarist</a> and is scathing about Mark Lawson&#8217;s <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/02/johann-hari-speech-interviews">defence of Hari</a> in the <em>Guardian</em>, which reads as if Lawson isn&#8217;t aware of the fullness of the allegations. Guy Walters in the <em>New Statesmen</em> (where Hari got his first break and had problems with deputy editor Christina Odone over his expenses) identified <a href="http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/guy-walters/2011/06/afghanistan-joya-women">42 cut &#8216;n pastes</a> from Malalai Joya&#8217;s <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/184604149X/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_til?tag=globalgrowtho-21&amp;camp=1406&amp;creative=6394&amp;linkCode=as1&amp;creativeASIN=184604149X&amp;adid=1JEBS3TY0Y2NV7FZ8M4A&amp;">own book</a>. Not all were in inverted commas, making them a problem of attribution, much of the text is presented as Hari&#8217;s own words. <em><span style="color:#ff0000;">Classic plagiarism.</span></em></p>
<p>Left-wing academic Professor Norman Geras is balanced yet <a href="http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2011/07/mild-about-hari.html">mildly scolds Hari&#8217;s defenders</a>. Worth reading the <em>Telegraph&#8217;s</em> Damian Thompson for his take on events.<span style="color:#ff0000;"><em> He reckons it was <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100094972/how-the-kindle-trapped-johann-hari-and-gamesmanship-conquered-wimbledon/"><span style="color:#ff0000;">the Kindle wot done For Hari</span></a>&#8230;</em></span></p>
<p><span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>UPDATE:</em></span> The blogger who caught this little scene-setting Hari lie in 2009 made Guido laugh, it dates back to the 2009 Copenhagen Climate Conference: &#8220;<em><a href="http://dickpuddlecote.blogspot.com/2009/12/johann-hari-hates-big-macs-but-tells.html">Johann Hari Hates Big Macs But Tells Whoppers</a>&#8220;.</em> In itself a trivial lie to sex up an anti-capitalist piece. These kind of lies are the reason why Polly Toynbee and Laurie Penny <em>et al</em> are so keen to excuse him. <span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>Shame on them.</em></span></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guido doesn&#8217;t usually quote articles verbatim, but since this isn&#8217;t online and in the interests of doing a full &#8220;intellectual portrait&#8221; here it is: The Lessons I Must Draw From These Attacks On My Journalism It’s clearly not plagiarism or churnalism, but was it an error in another way? Yes. I now see it was [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=order-order.com&amp;blog=7515463&amp;post=43412&amp;subd=orderorder&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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Guido doesn&#8217;t usually quote articles verbatim, but since this isn&#8217;t online and in the interests of doing a full &#8220;intellectual portrait&#8221; here it is:</em></p>
<h2>The Lessons I Must Draw From These Attacks On My Journalism</h2>
<p>It’s clearly not plagiarism or churnalism, but was it an error in another way? Yes. I now see it was wrong and I wouldn’t do it again</p>
<p>Yesterday on Twitter I was accused of plagiarism. This accusation is totally false – but I have reflected seriously on this and do have something to apologise for. When you interview a writer – especially but not only when English isn’t their first language – they will sometimes make a point that sounds clear when you hear it, but turns out to be incomprehensible or confusing on the page. In those instances, I have sometimes substituted a passage they have written or said more clearly elsewhere on the same subject for what they said to me, so the reader understands their point as clearly as possible. The quotes are always accurate representations of their words, inserted into the interview at the point where they made substantively the same argument using similar but less clear language. I did not and never have taken words from another context and twisted them to mean something different – I only ever substituted clearer expressions of the same sentiment, so the reader knew what the subject thinks in the most comprehensible possible words.</p>
<p>I stress: I have only ever done this where the interviewee was making the same or similar point to me in the interview that they had already made more clearly in print. Where I described their body language, for example, I was describing their body language as they made the same point that I was quoting – I was simply using the clearer words from their writing so the reader understood the point best. This is one reason why none of my interviewees have, to my knowledge, ever said they were misquoted in my nearly 10 years with The Independent, even when they feel I’ve been very critical of them in other ways. My critics have focused on my interview with Gideon Levy as supposedly distorted. So what does Gideon Levy say? These are his words: “I stand behind everything that was published in the interview. It was a totally accurate representation of my thoughts and words.”</p>
<p>This does not fit any definition of plagiarism. Plagiarism is presenting somebody else’s intellectual work as your own – whereas I have always accurately attributed the ideas of (say) Gideon Levy to Gideon Levy. Nor can it be regarded as churnalism. Churnalism is a journalist taking a press release and mindlessly recycling it. It is not a journalist carefully reading over all a writer’s books and quoting it to best reflect how they think.</p>
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<p>Over the years I have interviewed some people who have messages we desperately need to hear – from Gideon Levy about Israel, to Malalai Joya about Afghanistan, to Gerry Adams about how to end a sectarian war. Just this week, I interviewed one of the bravest people I have ever met – Shirin Ebadi. I would hate people to not hear these vital messages because they incorrectly think the subjects have been falsely quoted. Every word I have quoted has been said by my interviewee, and accurately represents their view. I hope people continue to hear their words.</p>
<p>When I’ve been wrong in the past – as I shamefully was over the Iraq War – I have admitted it publicly, tried to think through how I got it wrong, and corrected myself. So I’ve thought carefully about whether I have been wrong here. It’s clearly not plagiarism or churnalism – but was it an error in another way? Yes. I now see it was wrong, and I wouldn’t do it again.</p>
<p>Why? Because an interview is not just an essayistic representation of what a person thinks; it is a report on an encounter between the interviewer and the interviewee. If (for example) a person doesn’t speak very good English, or is simply unclear, it may be better to quote their slightly broken or garbled English than to quote their more precise written work, and let that speak for itself. It depends on whether you prefer the intellectual accuracy of describing their ideas in their most considered words, or the reportorial accuracy of describing their ideas in the words they used on that particular afternoon. Since my interviews are long intellectual profiles, not ones where I’m trying to ferret out a scoop or exclusive, I have, in the past, prioritised the former. That was, on reflection, a mistake, because it wasn’t clear to the reader.</p>
<p>I’m sorry, and I’m grateful to the people who pointed out this error of judgement. I will make sure I learn from it.</p>
<p><span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>UPDATE:</em></span> Noam Chomsky has <a href="http://www.medialens.org/alerts/03/031204_Johann_Hari_2.HTM">accused</a> Hari of fabricating quotes from him supposedly spoken in conversation, calling them a <em>&#8220;flight of the Hari imagination&#8221;.</em></p>
<p><span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>UPDATE II: </em></span>Rowan Wilson <a href="http://www.driftline.org/cgi-bin/archive/archive_msg.cgi?file=spoon-archives/aut-op-sy.archive/aut-op-sy_2004/aut-op-sy.0409&amp;msgnum=232&amp;start=21394">alleges</a> that contrary to the blended<em> &#8220;intellectual portrait&#8221;</em> / interview / fictional account of a <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/antonio-negri-the-nostalgic-revolutionary-556885.html">meeting with Antonio Negri</a><em> &#8220;that there was no taxi called, I didn&#8217;t say the things ascribed to me, Negri wasn&#8217;t behaving arrogantly as suggested, there was no angry confontation with ICA staff&#8221;</em> all of which<em> &#8220;casts serious doubt on the veracity of anything that Hari says.&#8221;</em></p>
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