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		<title>&#8220;You Can&#8217;t Have Politicians Stepping Into the Scientific Arena&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The sacked Professor David Nutt has turned the tables on Alan Johnson.  Johnson keeps repeating angrily that the professor should stay out of politics, the professor is squarely saying that politicians should stay out of the science. Dr. Les King has followed the professor and resigned as a government adviser, a third adviser Marion Walker, [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=order-order.com&amp;blog=7515463&amp;post=13038&amp;subd=orderorder&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">The sacked Professor David Nutt has turned the tables on Alan Johnson.   Johnson keeps repeating angrily that the professor should stay out of politics, the professor is squarely saying that politicians should stay out of the science.  Dr. Les King has followed the professor and resigned as a government adviser, a third adviser Marion Walker, is said to be going.  Drugs policy in this country is mad.  You can get 5 years jail time for smoking a spliff, something millions of Britons do regularly.  We hear baseless political propaganda about &#8220;skunk&#8221; and schizophrenia.  The scientists have determined what users already knew, that this scare is myth.  Professor David Nutt&#8217;s Eve Saville Lecture 2009 &#8211; the source of the controversy &#8211; is clear on this:</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>&#8230; schizophrenia seems to be disappearing (from the general population) even though cannabis use has increased markedly in the last 30 years. When we were reviewing the general practice research database in the UK from the University of Keele, research consistently and clearly showed that psychosis and schizophrenia are still on the decline. So, even though skunk has been around now for ten years, there has been no upswing in schizophrenia. In fact, where people have looked, they haven’t found any evidence linking cannabis use in a population and schizophrenia.</em>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><img class="alignright" title="Tory Spliffhead" src="http://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/39340efc3f3287bb14b480cc0da8ac8c_dopey_cameron.jpg?w=164&#038;h=136" alt="" width="164" height="136" />This was the Jacqui Smith and David Cameron excuse to justify their hypocrisy, dope today was different from the dope of their youth, skunk was supposedly some kind of dangerous super-marijuana.   Hypocritically Cameron was, according to his Etonian contemporaries that Guido has interviewed, a regular toker.  A bit of spliff didn&#8217;t seem to stop him getting into Oxford or getting a first in PPE.  <span style="color:#ff0000;"><em> He really does know better.</em></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><img class="size-full wp-image-10640 alignright" title="Druggies" src="http://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/druggies.jpg" alt="Druggies" width="94" height="61" />If things had gone slightly differently for David Cameron instead of being on the verge of becoming PM, he could be yet another former public school boy who ended up squandering his privileges and doing jail time for possession of cannabis and cocaine.  The current President of America could just be another black ex-con from a broken home. Our drugs policy can not be determined by the<em> Daily Mail&#8217;s</em> Paul Dacre, who lives in an alternative drug-free reality.  Gordon Brown&#8217;s Calvinist mores don&#8217;t permit any room for people to do recreational drugs and his misguided claim that cannabis is lethal is just wrong.  Tobacco and alcohol kill far more people than all the other illegal recreational drugs combined.  Psilocybin (&#8220;magic&#8221;) mushrooms have been used by Britons for millenia, used by druids in the only indigenous religious ceremonies we have because they are found naturally all over these isles.  Guido has munched them on golf courses.  <em><span style="color:#ff0000;">This has now been criminalised.</span></em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Nice people do drugs.  We need a grown up political conversation that shifts problem drug addicts out of the criminal judicial system and into the healthcare system.  The same as we do for alcoholics.  The lesson of Galileo should teach politicians that sacking scientists won&#8217;t make the earth flat.  <span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>Time to deal with the reality, not Dacre&#8217;s drug fantasies.</em></span></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><span style="color:#ff0000;"><em>Source :</em></span> [pdf] <a href="http://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/opus1714/Estimating_drug_harms.pdf"><em>Estimating drug harms: a risky business? Professor David Nutt Eve Saville Lecture 2009</em></a></p>
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		<title>Potty Priorities</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The tabloid headline driven drug laws in Britain are a mess. The next Prime Minister of Britain spent his days at Eton smoking dope, the current Home Secretary says she only smoked &#8220;weak&#8221; dope, as if that makes a material difference.   If they had been caught and convicted they would probably not have got [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=order-order.com&amp;blog=7515463&amp;post=6957&amp;subd=orderorder&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;"><img style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0pt 0pt 0px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/39340efc3f3287bb14b480cc0da8ac8c_dopey_cameron.jpg" border="0" alt="" />The tabloid headline driven drug laws in Britain are a mess.  The next Prime Minister of Britain spent his days at Eton smoking dope, the current Home Secretary says she only smoked<em> &#8220;weak&#8221; </em>dope, as if that makes a material difference.   If they had been caught and convicted they would probably not have got where they are today.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It is a mad situation where you get a lighter sentence for raping someone than you would for selling them a joint.  Which do you think is worse?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">According to the government&#8217;s <a href="http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/docs/drug_offences.pdf" target="_self">sentencing guidelines study</a> in 2004, the average custodial sentence imposed for rape of an adult was 79.7 months and for GBH was 50.1 months.  For dope dealing the average was 84.0 months.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #ff0000;"><em>Why does &#8220;intent to supply&#8221; a relatively harmless, though wrongly categorised class &#8216;A&#8217; drug like Ecstasy, attract a stiffer sentence than &#8220;attempted rape&#8221;?</em></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="color: #ff0000;"><em>UPDATE : </em></span>Just noticed that Peter Wilby in the <a href="http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2009/04/drugs-music-venezuela-guido" target="_self"><em>New Statesman</em></a> is saying the contemporary left is too timid to be rational on drugs.  The centre-right is too, given that a fair share of the Shadow Cabinet have enjoyed recreational drug use, isn&#8217;t it time we stopped kow-towing to Dacre and had a grown up attitude to drug addiction?  <span style="color: #ff0000;"><em>It is a public health problem, not a criminal / judicial problem.<br />
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<p>Hat-tip : <a href="http://www.ukdpc.org.uk/index.shtml">UK Drug Policy Commission</a></p>
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		<title>Boris : Cocaine Does Nothing For Me</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Iain Dale manages to report on Boris Johnson&#8217;s interview in GQ with Piers Morgan without mentioning his claim that when he tried cocaine &#8220;it achieved no pharmacological, psychotropic or any other effect on me whatsoever.&#8221; Hmmm. Cocaine makes you over-confident, prone to babbling nonsense and as randy as hell. Are you sure it had no [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=order-order.com&amp;blog=7515463&amp;post=2823&amp;subd=orderorder&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="text-align:justify;"><a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EQc_hLHXONE/RmLWpyH6-WI/AAAAAAAAAi0/kU8lG55WErU/s1600-h/boris_bunnies.jpg"><img style="float:right;cursor:pointer;margin:0 0 10px 10px;" title="Send these two and a couple of grammes up to my room" src="http://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/17b85b1bbd25476b6f191372bd4135be_boris_bunnies.jpg" alt="" border="0"></a>Iain Dale manages to <a href="http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2007/06/boris-i-want-to-be-pm.html">report</a> on Boris Johnson&#8217;s interview in <font>GQ</font> with Piers Morgan without mentioning his claim that when he tried cocaine <font>&#8220;it achieved no pharmacological, psychotropic or any other effect on me whatsoever.&#8221;</font>  Hmmm.  Cocaine makes you over-confident, prone to babbling nonsense and as randy as hell.   <font>Are you sure it had no effect Boris?</font></div>
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<div style="text-align:justify;">He admits to smoking dope in his school days. <font> Was everybody at Eton stoned in the 80s?</font></div>
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		<title>Polls Say Dave&#8217;s Dope Days Don&#8217;t Matter</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Populus has done some fieldwork asking about Cameron and cannabis in response to him admitting spliffing his way through Eton. Anthony Wells reports 81% of people said it didn’t matter that Cameron had taken cannabis at university and there was even higher support for Cameron’s contention that MPs shouldn’t be expected to answer such questions: [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=order-order.com&amp;blog=7515463&amp;post=2517&amp;subd=orderorder&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="text-align: justify;">Populus has done some fieldwork asking about Cameron and cannabis in response to him admitting spliffing his way through Eton.</div>
<p>Anthony Wells <a href="http://www.ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/944">reports</a><a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1288/553/1600/dopey_cameron.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"><img style="border-width: 0px; margin: 0pt 0pt 0px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/39340efc3f3287bb14b480cc0da8ac8c_dopey_cameron.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a></p>
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<blockquote><p><span style="font-size:85%;">81% of people said it didn’t matter that Cameron had taken cannabis at university and there was even higher support for Cameron’s contention that MPs shouldn’t be expected to answer such questions: 85% said that Cameron should not be expected <span style="font-style: italic;">“to answer detailed questions about whether he tried drugs in his youth because all politicians are entitled to have made mistakes when they were growing up”.</span></span></p></blockquote>
<p>With the <span style="font-style: italic;">Daily Mail</span> and the <span style="font-style: italic;">Mirror</span> working overtime in the search for <span style="font-style: italic;">&#8220;Cocaine Conservatives&#8221;</span> headlines, Guido wonders will it matter?  Will anyone be surprised?  Speaking as a metrosexual, metropolitan liberal, Guido thinks not.  Who exactly would be genuinely outraged or surprised if it was discovered that twenty years ago he was snorting coke off Oxford maiden&#8217;s thighs?  <span style="font-style: italic;">Mirror</span> headline writers?  Paul Dacre?  It is not as if the staff of those two publications are complete strangers to a Friday night pick-me-up.  <span style="font-style: italic; color: #ff0000;">Well, maybe not Melanie Phillips.</span></div>
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