September 3rd, 2014

Establishment Panic Over Scottish Freedom

Just two weeks ’til the referendum on Scottish freedom and finally Westminster’s chattering classes are waking up to the bookies halving the odds on a ‘Yes’ victory. The Times’ Red Box has gone into panic mode this week, with Scottish political editor Lindsay McIntosh yesterday warning against bubble complacency:

“The first is seen by many in the political bubble. In it, the Nationalists are losing the practical arguments about the economy, so are on course to lose the vote badly. The other, seen by some outside, shows “yes” quietly stealing victory… Unionists need to brush up on their messaging if they are not to be responsible for a dramatic redrawing of the UK after September 18.”

Alice Thomson this morning goes further, imploring: “Wake up unionists, you could really lose this”:

“If Scotland votes Yes, all hell will break loose – and the unionists’ complacency will be to blame. It’s time for Westminster to focus on the independence referendum.”

Rachel Sylvester also has growing concerns, telling Dave:

“If he becomes the Conservative prime minister who presided over the break-up of the United Kingdom, he will face immediate calls for his resignation from within his party.”

Squeaky bum time…


  1. 1
    Squeaky bum says:


  2. 2
    Seigneur blagger says:

    Double the debt.

    Only if you are deluded enough to swallow the cock and bull story that the only debt the state has is borrowing.

    7.2 trillion of pension debts missing. On top of the 1.438 trillion borrowing.

  3. 3
    1,400 says:

    Don’t forget us!

  4. 4

    MEanwhile, in Scotland, Cameron would be regarded as the greatest Prime Minister ever.

    Funny old world.

  5. 5
    Mike Litorus says:

    Good, rid of the sweaties, rid of labia and rid of dishface.

    Things are looking up!

  6. 6
    Welshracer says:

    That is what you get if you just leave it to Labour politicians……..

    Go on Scotland, vote YES and shake up the establishment.

  7. 7
    Steve Miliband says:

    No one will be worse than Gordon, ever.

  8. 8
    Old Git says:

    IF David Cameron even appears in history

  9. 9
    The poor deluded tories says:


    What we need now is someone with a little mediocre experience as a PR boy!

  10. 10
    But because I'm a Tory says:

    Loss of Union,
    break up of Tory Party,
    underpinning of rival UKIP,
    Return of Beaker

    Worst PM ? – he’s making a play for it

  11. 11
    Steve Miliband says:

    Labour are to blame – it is their core voters who will vote Yes. They expect by voting yes they will wake up in a country with a magic money forest.

  12. 12
    Proud Dave says:

    Never mind these details:

    The potential break-up of the U.K.
    The National Debt doubled.
    Net immigration at 250k per year, +150% above my own target.


  13. 13
    Cameron wants to raise taxes, the moron says:

    Don’t forget another of Labour’s toxic legacies: PFI debt
    estimated to cost the NHS alone another £300 Billion

  14. 14
    Grammar School Boy says:

    In a nutshell, perfectly summarised.

  15. 15
  16. 16
    Anonymous says:

    Cameron won’t win the 2015 election
    1. No boundary changes
    2. Corruption within the Postal voting system not resolved
    3. UKIP trending at ~ 15% in the polls; they cost the Tories 20 seats in 2010 with 3% of the vote.
    4. Pilgrims still in position actively campaigning against the Government of the day using taxpayers money
    5. Union education fund is still in place
    6. Cameron’s appalling judgement in appointing Andy Coulson and Sayeeda Warsi
    7. No TU reform allowing Crow and his mob hold us to ransom
    8. Tory constituency parties are disintegrating in protest at Cameron’s liberal policies
    9. The Tories will lose 7/8 seats along the route of HS2 to single issue candidates
    10. The Tories will lose one seat in Portsmouth due to shipbuilding being concentrated in Scotland
    11. No control of mass immigration and even less control or our borders.
    12. Public spending still out of control and the national debt rising on a daily basis
    13. Human Rights Act still in place
    14. No referendum on Europe
    15. State control of the press introduced
    16. Cameron wanted to take us to war in Syria in support of the people we now know as ISIS
    17. Gay Marriage
    18. The BBC is left wing and will act as Labour’s main election campaigner in 2015
    19. QE is destroying any savings people may have
    20. Cameron’s continued, unsubstantiated, support for Climate Change and general green issues.
    21. No promised Bonfire of the Quangos or reduction in Red Tape for businesses. Even worse he has left all the labour placemen who head these quangos in place.
    22. Cameron’s pathetic support for Yeo and Miller. More evidence of his lack of judgement.
    23. He gave Anna Soubry a job
    24. Cameron/Osbourne did not reverse the Brown/Balls pension reforms as promised and thus continued the retirement misery for many
    25. Introduced £9k p.a. tuition fees resulting in students leaving university with debts most will never be able to afford to pay back
    26. Is planning to introduce the child abuse crime of mental anguish when our authorities are incapable of protecting vulnerable children from physical abuse.
    27. Has made no attempt to defend Christianity against an onslaught from the liberal left.
    28. He sacked Michael Gove who was striving to give working class kids a good education
    29. Hs given 16 year olds the vote in Scotland as a sop to Alex Salmond; this will happen in the rest of the UK at some point. Do we really want the irrational judgement of teenagers deciding elections?
    30. He has done nothing to reduce the crippling tax burden on the middle classes through the 40% tax band, Stamp Duty and Inheritance Tax at the same time as letting Vodaphone, Google, Amazon and Starbuck pay next to nothing.
    31. Has decided that the best way to deal with Jihadists returning to the UK is to give them ASBOs. Just to remind everyone that British Jihadists have now beheaded three innocent people, Lee Rigby in public and two American Journalists on video.

    Losing Scotland will just be the icing on the cake.

  17. 17
    Dangerous Brian says:

    Blair? Brown? Cameron?

    Go on, you pick.

  18. 18
    Back1woodsman says:

    Bunting and street party time.

  19. 19
    PC ConLibLabbers says:

    Your sooo yesterday — musn’t keep reminding the public what the Parki scum bastards did — we must restore belief in multicultural diversity

  20. 20
    Jezza says:

    All these calamities come at once.
    Carswell’s defection is a monumental piece of lousy judgment on the part of the Conservative Party.
    Endorsing EU and Washington policy to confront Putin over Ukraine is a massive error of judgment.
    Going back to fight in Iraq is a massive error of judgment.
    Losing Warsi over our lack of response to the human crisis in Gaza was lousy judgment.
    Underestimating the Scottish Independence vote and its importance is crass.
    Then there is the Rotherham scandal which has been dealt with ineptly, and the madness over the arrest of the parents of that poor sick 5yr old.
    I cannot believe that lightning strike repeatedly in the same place – No.10.
    What is next on the banana-slipway?

  21. 21
    Birmingham City Council Dept. for Education says:

    Shut up and celebrate your enrichment, you filthy white western whores.

  22. 22
    The Tory Party says:

    Next time, we will elect a leader with some testicles.

  23. 23
    anon says:

    Speak up brown, you’re through…

  24. 24
    Douglas Carswell says:

    Stop talking about those silly Jocks. Look at me!

  25. 25
    sometime I wonder, then I think who cares says:

    After watching the Referendum vote last night the sooner the Scots say YES the better for us, everyone who spoke last night and everyone who put a question up was a me me me, Conservatives hissss, not one talked about the Union and how things would change, Conservatives hisss, what would change, Conservatives hisss and how everybody fits in together, Conservatives hisss, our Scottish NHS, time to give them their account, let them settle it on a pay as we go basis, wish them luck in their new Socialist utopia and remind them it was their fellow Scots PMs that got us in the mess the countries are in and let England get on with doing what we want to do.

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    nell says:

    Well looking good for a YES vote then?! If that happens it will come with benefits for we english folk – we shall lose all those labour mp’s to scotland and that article up there says the tories will immediately call for cameron’s resignation so opening the door to a leadership challenge from theresa may and possibly boris – what could be better?

  27. 27
    Surrey Shiresman says:

    Parp… the sound of trumpets in fanfare.

    High time we get rid of Scotland!

  28. 28
    A lefty 'rock' band says:

    Hmm, we’d like to do a single but we’re not sure about the political correctness.

  29. 29
    Jock says:

    There’s a long way to go before he catches up with Our Gordie.

  30. 30
    Cunt Carswell says:

    I feel such a close connection to the working class scum of Clacton I live in leafy south west London

  31. 31
    Toxic Labour for Parasites, bring back the workhouses. says:

    Let’s hope the Scots leave which will destroy Labour and reduce my tax bill.

  32. 32
    your mum says:

    Try your tears tory boy, I’m sure someone will give you some bumsex if you ask nicely.

  33. 33

    It’s the ‘north of Watford’ syndrome!

  34. 34
    Toxic Labour for Parasites, bring back the workhouses. says:

    It’s really nice living in the enriched cesspit the political classes have created.

  35. 35
    your mum says:

    You think that putting c’unt in your title is going to make anyone vote tory?
    All that bumsex must have addled your brain.

  36. 36
    Clown (Ex Swivel-Eyed Loon) says:

    No more Scottish Prime Ministers, no more Blairs, Browns or Camerons.

    What’s not to like.

  37. 37
    Anyone but England says:

    Do the term “think it through ” mean anything to you?

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    sometime I wonder, then I think who cares says:

    Wonder what the debt of PFI is on schools and the new doctors surgeries, the surgery the one by us cost £40million, if it was a private project I reckon £3million max, the M&S megastore on about 20 acres cost £60 million

  39. 39

    He first went wrong when he failed to support, promote, or even understand a proposal to separate the commercial timber activity of the Forestry Commission from the heritage and amenity woodland function. So he unhesitatingly sacrificed the minister to save himself.

  40. 40
    Kevin Cuttlefish says:

    Loved the Chief Constable’s evidence to Vaz’s committee yesterday – managed to get “moving forward” and “going forward” into one sentence.

  41. 41
    An excellent list. says:

    You didn’t mention his destruction of our armed forces, as we face a more dangerous world, and his 28% increase in foreign aid, to countries that have nuclear weapons.

    Or his promise to help people with their care home costs, which turned out to be a load of bollocks.

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    Still, gay marriage, eh? says:

    Warsi does not matter in the least.
    How Cameron dealt with Rotherham could have been a defining moment.

    If only Cameron had a principle; just one.

  43. 43
    Anyone but England says:

    In your world is there no “downside” to Independence for Scotland

  44. 44
    Sarah Millington says:

    As someone who voted for David Cameron I can tell you from my perspective he is the worst Prime Minister of all time.

  45. 45
    Vote Dave? Get stuffed says:

    David Cameron is to the Tories what Gordon Brown was to the economy.

  46. 46
    John Curtice says:

    Alice Thomson, the leftie journalist, says ‘wake up Unionist, you could lose this’.
    But of course it’s the loss of Labour MPs she’s really concerned about.

  47. 47
    Jezza says:

    Will you marry me?

  48. 48
    lojolondon says:

    That was first blood to the BBC on Cameron, I believe – you certainly can’t call him a fast learner, or any kind of learner, can you??

  49. 49
    Vote Dave? Get stuffed says:

    If the Scots do not vote YES can the English have a vote to kick the fckers out?

  50. 50
    Cunt Carswell says:

    Once England is free of the scotchist fucks, we can seek to encourage the Welshist fucks to seek independence,,,,then the Norfern Oirish fucks

    Then Leicester, Slough, Luton and Bradford can be be transferred to the authority of the Pakistani Government

    C’mon yah feckun scotch beauties

  51. 51
    lojolondon says:

    I like some Scottish people, but the Scottish Nationalists who shout for whoever is against England make me sick.
    On the positive side, losing the Scots means that Liebour will not see power again in our lifetime, perhaps that is a sacrifice worth making?

  52. 52
    bergen says:

    It may have seemed sensible at the time to leave the defence of the Union to the Scottish Labour Party but they are all so dismissive of the common “national history” that none of them can put up a positive and passionate fight. Instead it has all been negative and turning around pensions and benefits and the NHS (which is already devolved anyway). No wonder the undecided are turning to Yes if the defenders are so luke warm and unenthusiastic about our past, present and future.

  53. 53
    LB says:

    PFI as you say, 300 bn – Most have inflation kickers. Lenders can convert to inflation linked payments

    There is 120 bn for the clean up of nuclear power stations. Paid for up front. It’s goods and work. Inflation linked in other words.

    Pensions – triple lock so inflation linked or more.

    Guarantees. Here the relevant figure is the expected losses on the guarantees.

    35 bn for the post office. 50% of the LGA fund. BT pension fund. ….

    Even just the unfunded pensions are increasing at 640 bn a year. Total taxes 600 bn.

    They aren’t going to be paid.

    Remember too, you cannot print your way out of inflation linked debt.

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    sometime I wonder, then I think who cares says:

    I think the shock will be if the Scots vote YES on the 18th, everything changes, it’s possible it could help UKIP get even closer to having a PM, because the Scots MPs will piss of back to Scotland to secure a place at the new trough.

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    Socialism is theft says:

    I think the Tories will be secretly delighted if the Scots vote YES.

  56. 56
    Norm Normal says:

    Please check that list -eg Bob Crow died some time ago.

  57. 57
    Still, gay marriage, eh? says:

    Trying to force the truly ill people back to work, using nurses on the committee to override independent senior medical professionals.

    The punitive ‘bedroom tax’, which while not a tax, is nevertheless punitive.

    The Help to Buy scheme, driving house prices ever higher.

    The Funding for Lending scheme, driving house prices ever higher, not helping businesses, and driving interest rates on savings down.

    Introducing the Office of Tax Simplification, which has not simplified a single tax.

    And of course, breaking his word at every opportunity.

  58. 58
    Flem Ming says:

    Some “Scottish freedom” when they are planning to sign it away again to a foreign power in Brussels even more remote from Scotland than Westminster.

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    Anonymous says:

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    Tom Moncrieff says:

    When Scotland leaves on 18th September, so will 50 Labour MPs, several key LibDems and only 1Tory. This is so not a defeat for Cameron but a great victory!!! The alternative – because if the corrupt electoral system – is England will be governed by Miliband on less than 30% of the English vote with Scots MPs controlling all English policies. God only knows why the suicidal Tories are inanely intent on keeping Scotland. Let it go, you don’t ever go there any of you, you are hopelessly out of touch with Scotland, almost all Tories in Scotland are English expats. Let it go and then deal with UKIP. The alternative is permanent electoral defeat.

  61. 61
    Mrs Crewe says:

    Worst Prime Minsiter of all time? As compared to what? Tony Blair and Brown destroying the economy? The Labour govt of the 70’s bringing the country to its knees? You lot have very short memories. Anyway who cares if Scotland leaves, at least we won’t be plagued with another Labour govt ruining the economy and industry of our country ever again. No Scotland = No Labour govt, having lived in Scotland it’s no loss.

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    it's londonistan that should be annexed says:

    Tell you what. Scotland is more English than London these days.

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    The rich immersive bullshit experience says:

    That’s quite an achievement. Good to know he’s not completely useless.

  64. 64
    Ex Conservative says:

    32. The ‘Localism’ Act. And act it is since it concentrates all real planning power in the hands of central government.

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    M­a­­q­b­o­­ul says:

    16. Cameron wanted to take us to war in Syria in support of the people we now know as ISIS

    Not true. It was in support of ordinary Syrians who rose up against Assad’s tyranny. We let them down and ISIS filled the void later.

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    Meeshell O'Blimey says:


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    fhip says:

    If Scotland votes yes there will be only one culprit to blame and Cameron is not in the frame.
    Who gave us devolution? New Labour and Tony Blair.
    Despite many warnings from across the political spectrum they laid the ground for the break up of the UK.
    There are so many disastrous decisions and acts that have come home to roost since 1997 that one more should not surprise anybody.

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    Good Luck Alex. says:

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    sometime I wonder, then I think who cares says:

    Must want to be a Socialist politician, his chances of working in B&Q in a few years is a zero chance , wonder how much his retirement Lotto prize will be when he ‘moves on’.

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    Oi vey, my life says:

    If Scotland leaves the UK labour will never form a government in the rump UK ever again, whats not to like?

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    One way or another we'll soon be shot of the jockanese parasites says:

    No need – if they vote No they’ll immediately start ranting that they want another referendum and they won’t shut the fuck up until they get it.

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    Chief Constabule says:

    I am ongoing.

  73. 73

    Blair and Cameron sit or sat for English seats. So does Michael Gove and many Scots. There is no bar in the UK parliament on any nationality standing girls parliament, you are not required to be English or local to stand in England.

  74. 74
    M­a­­q­b­o­­ul says:

    25. Introduced £9k p.a. tuition fees resulting in students leaving university with debts most will never be able to afford to pay back

    Not true. i) £9K is the maximum. Most unis charge less. and ii) they only have to pay it back IF they can afford it. If they don’t earn enough, they don’t have to pay.

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    Good Luck Alex. says:

    Blame? why Blame? If people want independence from the cesspit that is Westminster, why should they be blamed?

    The English should go for it too.

  76. 76
    Jim says:

    There is too much thought here. It is the hatred of the English that counts in Scotland, and money of course.

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    sometime I wonder, then I think who cares says:

    If they vote YES then it’s their problem , ours is getting out of the EU.

  78. 78
    Barny Trapjim says:

    Never say never.

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    M­a­­q­b­o­­ul says:

    Yes, near Parliament where he works you mug.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    It looks like the Scots are not content with being cowering wee timorous beasties forever under the English jackboot.

    The YES camp have two trump cards to play which the NO camp have no defence or strategy to challenge.

    1. Only the YES camp can promise no more Tory rule from London, for which a majority of Scots didn’t vote. i.e. (no more Thatcher,Major or Cameron governments).

    2. Whoever wins the next election is going to have to make the most savage cuts in government spending in history, at least 50% over 5 years. Only by voting YES to independence can Scotland avoid those cuts by virtue of having all the oil & whiskey revenue to themselves.
    In fact the Scots can see government spending increase to the level of Norway.

    Dalek Darling and the NO camp have nothing to offer but fear and loathing, they want Scots to betray everything William Wallace and Robert the Bruce fought for.

    So Vote YES vote Freeeedom!

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    Red Herring says:

    So what will UKIP be rebranded as?

  82. 82
    M­a­­q­b­o­­ul says:

    If only they would take Liverpool with them.

    But it will be a No vote.

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    Maximus says:

    And little Aysha King cannot get proton therapy because a proton therapy centre can only be procured for 250 million – to contain a proton therapy machine which can be purchased for 13 million.

    The NHS budget is to the UK what the defense budget is to the US: pork barrels first, second, and third.

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    Anonymous says:

    It is lab mps who are fronting the NO vote and some locals don’t like their Westminster stance so some are rebelling.

  85. 85
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Not true.

    Blair would still have won 3 elections in a row, albeit with reduced majorities.

  86. 86
    HRH Elizabeth Mkll says:

    Will the Scotch be joining the Commonwealth?

  87. 87
    @ChrisBryantMP says:


    The latest.

    Take that.

  88. 88
    Anonymous says:

    Quite a nice start to the complete list there

  89. 89
    Mr R Harris says:

    Andy Coulson has been moved to an open prison – well good on him too. Shouldn’t be in there in the 1st place

  90. 90
    The Growler says:

    To think the English spent a good deal of their time fighting the Jocks, trying to control them and you want to get rid of them, that is not very English of you sir, take a back seat.

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    Norm Normal says:

    How can he be worse than industrial liar Blair and blatant fraud and incompetent Brown?

    We didn’t even vote for Brown. The fucker staged a coup and changed course without a mandate. He even promised an EU treaty referendum and then changed his mind. Didn’t want to be troubled with democracy.!

    People have such short memories!

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    Vlad the Loudhailer says:

    It could be a double day of celebration if the Scots vote yes. The dead weight of Scotland is gone and no more Labour governments in England and Dave gets canned as well. A good days work.

  94. 94
    Man of Kent says:

    So, if Scotland votes yes we lose the porridge munching subsidy monkeys AND get rid of Call Me Dave?

    Go Alex! Frreeeedddoooooommmm!

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    Anonymous says:

    *Treat with caution. Could be just another lie from Porky.

  96. 96
    stillwalkingintodarkness says:

    to rid ourselves of Scotland would be great, if we could also manage the Welsh, dreamy.

  97. 97
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    I’m afraid there are more than enough idiots in England and Wales to ensure a future Liebore reign of terror :-(

  98. 98
    Anonymous says:

    If that happens it happens – we have no say in the matter. We’ll just have to take a short term hit in order to accrue long term benefit.

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    sometime I wonder, then I think who cares says:

    The Union has run it’s time, Scotland has grown up and wants to move on, after wards England will get the evil of the EU, immigration, corrupt politicians sorted and get on with it’s own business, two countries in competition with each other, both have a brighter future than one country pulling the others tail to get things it wants.

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    Norm Normal says:

    I wonder how popular he will be when he actually has to make Independence work. The lack of detail or significant planning means he has some hidden problems and unpleasantness for Scotland. By the time we actually know what that is, it will be too late.

  101. 101
    Maximus says:

    And he then he pulled the same stunt with the Environment Agency over the flooded Somerset Levels.

  102. 102
    Keith Chegwinus says:

    Things are indeed looking up

  103. 103
    Anonymong says:

    Fuck multicultralism.

    We tried it with the Jockanese.

    Fuckers never bothered integrating since 1707.

  104. 104
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    There will only be peace when that fat, mass murdering war criminal is hanging from a meat hook :-)

  105. 105
    stillwalkingintodarkness says:

    Lest we not forget the bs PR campaign of the recent terror alert to get Dougie off the front pages. I thought PR was the thing he was supposed to be good at.

  106. 106
    Jim says:

    There will be NO UK, just England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

    See the Difference?

  107. 107
    Dougie Carswell says:

    The best way to deal with Islamists in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria is with chemical weapons.

  108. 108
    Anonymous says:

    Have you ever lived or even visited anywhere else than London?

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    nell says:

    I think you can safely drop the ‘secretly’ bit of that statement!!

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    nell says:

    can’t think of a downside no

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    sometime I wonder, then I think who cares says:

    Like the pound, they still have the Queen as their head for now, they will have what the wanted, the hated Conservatives and rule from London stopped.

  112. 112
    Handycock whipping it out says:

    Do you think the SNP would take me on as a member? Boaz.

  113. 113
    Maximus says:

    What next? Four letters. The last two don’t stand for either Internet Protocol or Intellectual Property.

  114. 114
    Jock in the South says:

    That’s the Norway with lower public spending to GDP than the UK, or a different Norway?

    Anyway once Shetland revert back to Norwegian sovereignty and take all the oil you’re fucked

  115. 115
    Anonymong says:

    They’re all in it together.

    Same shite. Different rosette.

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    Anonymous says:

    x1 million

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    idon'tneednodoctor says:

    Keith Vaz Select Committee. Police bad, BBC marvellous. Is this the same BBC that smeared McAlpine, are still covering up the Jimmy Savile abuse, that are labour biased, that waste millions. Has Vaz set his sights on being the first asian DG?

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    idon'tneednodoctor says:

    Guillotine surely.

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    mraemiller says:

    I think it’s a mistake Cameron hasn’t been campaigning in Scotland. I know Better Together fear he will be toxic but not being there allows Salmond to play the “they dont care” card too. He isn’t just a Conservative, he’s the Prime Minister and being too scared to set foot there sends out the wrong message.

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    The two Muppets says:

    I suspect that if Scotland votes yes ,that would be exactly what
    Cameron and most Conservatives want .
    Freedom from Labour ,bring it on .

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    Nerry Huj says:

    It wouldn’t be so bad if London was English. These days its a café for the world, everyone pops in but no one feels at home.

  122. 122
    idon'tneednodoctor says:

    Andy carry the can Coulson. I hope his Swiss bank account is full.

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    Banned says:

    It will still be the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

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    sometime I wonder, then I think who cares says:

    I await to see the Socialist utopia of Scotland being born, where the money tree’s grow in profusion, interesting times if it’s a YES vote, after yesterday and seeing what groups have started to back the YES vote then it’s getting more likely, always thought the benefits culture would have brought a NO vote.

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    The two Muppets says:

    You sound like a UKIP troll .

  126. 126
    Maximus says:

    Which looks to me a(nother) very good reason for the Scotch to vote for independence.

  127. 127
    Norm Normal says:

    The devine comedy is that it was labour who introduced the legislation that made all this possible. Arrogantly believed they would always be the main party in Scotland. Scotland Act 1998.

  128. 128
    idon'tneednodoctor says:

    Money matters to the Scots. They will not risk losing out just to satisfy double glazing executive Salmond’s wishes.

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    Seigneur blagger says:

    I hope the Scots vote yes. It will serve them right. They will be stuck with the socialist hell of huge debts, and not enough tax. It will be the canary for the rest of the UK.

    Clearly they don’t like Tories being in power. Neither do I like Labour propped up by Scots forcing their policies down my throat. [Doesn’t mean I like Tories either]

    So Salmond, your one error was not allowing us the vote on kicking you out.

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    Celtic President says:

    He won’t have to make anything work. That will be the job of those who come after.

    It will work by the way.

  131. 131
    Dorkass says:

    Too many holidays.

  132. 132
    idon'tneednodoctor says:

    Multi-cultural. Repeats this one thousand times.

  133. 133
    No more treason says:

    And there is a pixie living at the bottom of my garden…

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    The House of Ill repute and destroyer of all that was good says:

    Why would anyone want to be governed by Westminster?

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    Taxpayer says:

    ..complete alienation of his party’s core vote due to his addiction to ludicrous marginal rates of tax….

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    Mark Oaten, Liberal Democrat says:

    I DID swallow the cock and balls

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    Col. Nut says:

    In a just society they’d be castrated, but in ours a year or two inside for only some of them and then out again to join the rest, claim benefits and prey on vulnerable kuffar white girls again. The plod will be quick to act against any racists who complain and Common Purpose will ensure that the diversity enforcing status quo in Local Authority Management is maintained.

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    idon'tneednodoctor says:

    Hopefully it will be a bad day for John Bercow.

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    The Growler says:

    If each health minister when he/she/it came into office, just stood still and then did a little leg work (surprise visits to hospitals etc ) to see how things are on the ground floor and a little less of coming in with his super doopper whizzo plan, it would cost £1Billion but would save £2 Billion (no guarantee of course), the same could be said of all the big spending departments. This happened in every government we’ve had for the last 50 years. When I say visits to the ground floor of establishments, I do not mean to staged photoops as B’Liar used to do.

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    Gordon Brown MP says:

    Want to see me out of a job? YES! cometh the thunderous rejoinder. Then Scotland, please fuck off out of the union, immediatement!

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    Democracy and Islam are NOT compatible. says:

    Why deal with them? The best way to control them is by dictatorships.

    The stupid twats destroyed Saddam and they now want to bring down Asaad. Talk about making things worse.

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    Peter Cook and Dudley Moore, with Peter Sellers on drums, sing ‘Goodbye-ee':


    For all our wonderful friends north of the border, Lang may your lum reek! – Only not with my pension funds up it any more…

    Vote UKIP :-D

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Hatred for the Tories will win it for the YES camp :-)

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    Don't look this way, look over there says:

    Well the river Mersey was once a river boundary between two kingdoms, Liverpool is trying to expand itself and take over the old Merseyside area, the insurance rates are bad enough without having a Liverpool postal code, the whole area apart from the city centre, is a Socialist shithole, Wirral centres like Birkenhead and Liscard are dying parking charges that you need a loan for and the capitalist centres like Cheshire Oaks and the Croft centre are swinging and bloody busy and free car parking.

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    BBC Scotland says:

    But he has, often. It just doesn’t get reported by the English media, so that’s why you make an ill informed post.

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    Col. Nut says:

    Time to start getting quotes for an electric fence along the border. As their economy collapses we don’t want the old Scots fall backs such as grave robbing and cannibalism (Sawney Bean) to cross over.

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    Anonymous says:

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    Anonymous says:

    “Squeaky bum time…”
    Speaking of those manifestations of panic in high, and low, places:
    Does the Cobra committee intend to encircle itself, Western wagon style, with the £3.8bn worth of armoured vehicles the MOD has just splashed out on? Whilst, cocooned in intellectual insularity, will they muse science’s latest revelation that monkey brains are hardwired in terms of leading or following. If so, perhaps they might find a moment of time to question science’s grounds for conversion of its own disciples to their atheist faith system. Since untested/un-testable person-certainty, offers no rational basis for any such assumption of any such kind. When precisely will the pound drop, and what passes for ‘brains’ around here get a grip on the reason behind human illogicality? Be that occurring in science’s, ISIS’s, government’s, or any other fallible entity’s cerebral cortex.

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    Anonymous says:

    Just more Porky lies and the BBC spreading single source Kiev garbage,again

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Scotland has been funding all you English benefit scroungers for 30 years.

    Enjoy those IMF cuts :-)

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    Cpl Hicks says:

    If The jocks vote yes Camermong should consider it a badge of honour!

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    F##k the LibLabCon says:

    Oh really, well I put it to you that someone does pay.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Yes the Scots will have to keep out all the English benefit scroungers flocking over the border to escape the IMF cuts :-)

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    Anonymous says:

    @BarrosoEU Lied then.

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    Seigneur blagger says:

    A couple of years ago, I spent 1/2 a day round New Brighton, Toxteth, Birkenhead etc doing some family history.

    Incredible how somewhere had become so depressed. Clearly at some point there must have been a lot of money, because when you look at the buildings, you can see there was wealth. This isn’t slave money, its Victorian.

    Then you look at the plethora of pound shops, charity shops, people clearly out of work.

    Quite what’s going to happen when the payments not to riot get stopped. After all if people rioted for new trainers, what are they going to do when there is no giro.

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    Cap in Hand says:

    cheer up savings rates will rocket

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    Anonymous says:

    I don’t understand what Dave has got to do with the Scotland vote, it’s not call me Dave they hate it’s the Tories ! Dave is Just the figured head.

    This is one area Miss T can take some credit, there’s still bitterness over the Poll Tax and this cemented Tory a swear word in Scotland. There education system has not helped either they think it was the English(Tories) that where responsible for the Highland clearance and that those most hated of scot’s Tony & Gordon lead the Tory party, the Tories with bush that went to war in Iraq etc….

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    A one sided Story says:

    Never before have I come across or perhaps been able to witness first hand before such blatant Propaganda as is coming out of the Western Media & Western politicians over this Ukraine business. Very few of them even care to consider that Russia may just have a fair point and that the EU has been the expansionist threat.

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    The only problem is Miliband could still win the general election, with the scottish labour MPs he would still have a majority . Independence will not come into effect for two years ,giving them plenty of time to destroy the English economy cheered on by the EU, in a kind of last ditch scorched earth policy before the majority evaporates ,probably forever, when the independence is ratified.

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    F##k the LibLabCon says:

    We really shouldn’t be in the position of chopping off arms and legs to save the patient. If Cameron wasn’t so shit in the first place we would have to be sat here clapping and cheering the disembowelment of Great Britain just to make it easier for some spoon faced twat it win an election.

    Country first and party second comrade and not the other way around.

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    Seigneur blagger says:

    Are you bonkers?

    The EU can expand if it wants, and the Ukraine can join if it wants.

    Russia wants to expand, but it is missing the bit about the Ukraine wanting to join.

    It needs two sides to agree to make an agreement.

    Not the Russian approach of we’re taking it.

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    “London’s FTSE 100 hits 14-year high”

    Time to sell.

    Vote UKIP :-D

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    Thank God says:

    The 100 objects that will help bring history to life: Artefacts including Guy Fawkes’ lantern, 700,000-year-old axe and Sutton Hoo helmet will liven up lessons in schools
    . Mail

    I first read it as Guy Fawkes helmet.

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    Genghiz the kahn says:

    There are plenty of good Scots out there, including that good Professor Alexis Jay who did such a through job of exposing the putrid mess of council and police corruption or collusion in Rotherham.

    Tis a pity that so many think that the sun shines out of Alex Salmong’s arse, and that the SNP are so desperate to win that they enfranchise 16 year olds.

    I’d rather see the destruction of Salmong’s career and the electoral wipeout of The SNP than the break up of The Union.

    Rotherham is a warning about the corruption of one party local government, and I would be wary about having The Tories thinking that they can dominate England, N Ireland and Wales as a consequence.

    As for Cameron, if The Scots do go, he should be thrown out of 10 Downing St in minutes not hours.

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    Rupert says:

    Shhhh! Don’t tell them!

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    Cpl Hicks says:

    It’s strange how the Scots were fundamental in building the great global
    Empire the the UK once had. They provided some of the greatest generals, engineers, explorers and administrators the UK has ever seen.

    What have they given the UK recently? Blair, Brown, Campbell, that fat cnut respect MP, Darling, etc.

    In the past they built a great empire but since 1997 they have destroyed a great nation.

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    red ed peoples representative of the republic of doncaster says:

    i agree,just as soon as you ditch the socialist bollocks

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    Eff Tee says:

    I think by this time next year you will be prooved incorrect.

    I bet you don’t follow your own advice.

    Buy munitions.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    More like 2 hours :-)

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    ballsrus says:

    Nads perhaps ?

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    Eff Tee says:

    Canny Scots will have an address in England AND Scotland and cherry pick.

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    Savage cuts , what is ‘savage’ about balancing the books, ‘savages’ keep on spending like their is no tomorrow, spending their grandchildren’s money, Scotland’s day of reckoning will be upon them sooner than they think .

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Depends who wins the election on May 7th.

    If the Tories then the FTSE will go higher.

    If Liebore then prepare for a collapse :-)

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    Anyone but England says:

    The United Kingdom the country with a death wish

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    Roll up those sleeves, tuck in that tie... says:

    And Cameron still does.

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    Not Duped says:

    Spot on!
    Just proves what a bunch of controlled propaganda slime our “free” media really is1

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    Anyone but England says:

    Wake up …………the Scots have a devolved government ……

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    Voter says:

    Yes, and people lose sight of this.

    The Scots are motivated by three things: hatred, greed, and cowardice.

    They vie with each other for primacy. Until recently, their greed for the English money tree and their cowardice has held their hatred for the English people in check. As the tantalizing opportunity to do harm do England draws closer, however, their pale, blubbery lips are wet with excitement.

    I don’t think they recognise just how much most of us want them to fuck off.

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    Not Duped says:

    Hello Moshe!

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    Boris says:

    You called?

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    George says:

    Folding towels and doubling the national debt are very similar in many ways

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    I’m afraid there are more than enough idiots in England and Wales to ensure future Liebore reign of terrors.

    Blair would still have won 3 elections in a row, albeit with reduced majorities. 1997 and 2001 would still have seen 100+ seat Liebore landslides even without Scotland.

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    Deathwish Uk says:

    Only if the EU agrees

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    Voter says:

    A Scottish accent and double chin are likely to be significant barriers to securing selection and election in England one we have got rid of Scotland, however.

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    Alex Cornish-Sardine says:

    If they vote for independence will they:
    1) Expect us to pay for the costs of separation?
    2) Still expect subsidy from us in some way (possibly via EU)
    3) Continue for generations blaming all their troubles on the former colonial power?

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    Anyone but England says:

    Christ on a bike – will you give up on this bloody “Wallace” and “Bruce” stuff and grow up. The UK faced up to two World Wars since then , and got over the consequences.

    The Irish and the Scots can’t give up their culture of victimhood . Everything is the fault of the English – makes me ashamed to be Scots.

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    Alex Cornish-Sardine says:

    Genuine question:
    What was the poll tax the Jocks were expected to pay?
    What are the current levels of council tax the jocks have to pay?

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    Seigneur blagger says:

    Salmond’s error was not allowing the English to vote on Scotland.

    The delicious irony of the Scots saying we want to be in the union, just, and the English saying bugger off we don’t want you.

    The chip on the shoulder is so large anyway, it would be even more so afterwards.

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    A prediction says:

    Any Scottish MP attempting to step foot in Westminster to vote on English laws if Scotland has already voted Yes will do so at some very considerable personal risk.

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    The Critic says:

    Possible that Miliband will win, Scotland then votes for independence and he may be running a minority goverment. Now that would be interesting. Remember Miliband is unpopular,even for a politician and does not have the support of the Parliamentary party – why else is Unite sponsoring MPs and candidates on an industrial scale.?

    So – loathed by the public, loathed by his own MPs and only where he is by grovelling to the Unions……a worthy Prime Minister judging by the recent incumbents.

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    Claim here, claim here!! says:

    Appreciate it’s your perspective, and you’re not too far wrong. But surely Mcmental must take the title, with Cameron a close second.

    I voted for him as well …. and I feel truly let down. I expected a Government which encouraged responsibility, but all I’ve seen is one hell bent on promoting “rights” with no reference to personal responsibility

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    Chuckie Oovavoo says:

    Heres a picture of me @chuckie handing #epetition pledged by 1000’s of concerned #trash to @callmedave to protest #2manyvacuousphotoopsandinanetweets. The new watch is bespoke @bentley

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    Anonymous says:

    “If he becomes the Conservative prime minister who presided over the break-up of the United Kingdom, he will face immediate calls for his resignation from within his party.”

    Bring it on !!!!!!!!!!

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    Claim here, claim here!! says:

    Holding referenda until you get the answer you want is EU policy, Salmond needs to get some advice from Barroso; Van Rumpuy and all those other unelected charlatans

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    lojolondon says:

    Good list. You should publish that, and take credit for it!!

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    Seigneur blagger says:

    Here are some effects.

    1. RUK moves Tory.
    2. Tories sort out the bias in boundaries.
    3. Lib dems wiped out.
    4. The EU referenda. With no Scotland, it will be to leave.
    5. Scotland will spend spend spend and go tits up first.
    6. RUK cuts taxes, Scotland forced to make the decision to compete or lose.
    7. Scotland keeps the pound – for the moment.
    8. Scotland takes on its debts – for now.
    9. RUK doesn’t veto Scots joining the EU. See point 8. It’s a negotiation

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    Jim2 says:

    Offensive twat.

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    Anonymous says:

    1,400 says:
    September 3, 2014 at 8:56 am
    Don’t forget us!

    Why not they seem to have forgotten the Butler Sloss Enquiry, why is that I wonder.

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    Jim2 says:

    ‘There education system’

    ‘That where responsible’

    lol, so what’s your excuse?

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    They will be bussed in, protected by thousands of Labour controlled police , they will be rubbing their hands at the prospect of inflicting as much political and economic damage on the English as they can, knowing they will never have to answer for it .

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    The Critic says:

    Scotland’s pensions bill is c13.3 bn a year, health care costs c11 bn and social security c8 bn.

    Roughly Scotland spends 62billion a year and raises 45 billion in tax.So who’s finding the shortfall when the English are gone? 1 in 3 Scots in taxpayer funded jobs,which kind of reduces the options for tax hikes.

    Oil reserves declining – loss estimated at 3 billion a year to the economy. Yes there is more oil but it’s around the Shetlands,who may well decide Norway is a better option for them.We also need to consider how much of the territorial waters would be owned by the Scots. The current border has no precedent in international law.Could be Scotland ends up owning less oil than it currently does.

    What, will their currency be? Mr Salmond has said he would keep sterling, but its status would have to be similar to how banana republics in the Caribbean use the US dollar — with no say over the economic policy that affects the value of that currency.

    As an Englishman, I would be sorry to see Scotland go. as a taxpayer, I would be very happy.

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    The days of landslide majorities are probably a thing of the past , especially when Scotland goes Wales cannot be far behind .

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    Jim2 says:

    Oi, voter.
    Kindly don’t group us all into your pathetic summary of Scottish people.

    You think I’m motivated by hatred, greed or cowardice?

    You don’t have a clue, sitting in your multicultural, overcrowded, expensive hellhole.

    Are you not late for your morris dancing lessons?

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    Seigneur blagger says:

    Think of the scenarios.

    1. Scotland carries on spending – goes tits up early. What’s England’s reaction?

    2. Scotland has to cut spending. What reaction?

    3. England cuts taxes, what does Scotland do?

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    Jim2 says:

    You will lose a heck of a lot more than that, my friend.

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    Anonymous says:

    If Scotland vote Yes, they will simply told, ‘EU’ style, to have another vote and come back with the right answer.

    A lot of stress and worry about nothing, it really is.
    Just have another vote.
    Certainly not a resigning issue for Call me Dave.


    PS – Cameron is a complete and utter lying cnut.

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    Grammar School Boy says:

    As a lifelong Tory I’ll vote for the party in 2015 but more out of tribal loyalty than anything that the PM has done, or yet may do, to deserve my vote.

    I hope the Scots gain independence or, as I prefer to think of it, the English get their independence from Scotland; I can’t understand Cameron’s stance on the Yes/No question.

    I fear that we will be further humiliated in 2015 and that the (albeit tenuous) promise of an EU referendum will be gone with Miliband. We will yet again be in a parlous financial state with Labour by 2020.

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    Jim2 says:

    Very true.

    The complacency by the British state, coupled with the only real group shouting against Independence being the gravy-train riding Labour, has left us in a perilous position.

    Anti-Scottish ranting on here aside (by complete pricks), both sides of the UK will be diminished.

    Don’t think it will have an effect on England? Think again.

    It might feel nice for some southerners to call us ‘Jocks’, ‘jockanese’, etc, but it only highlights their narrow minded stupidity.

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    c777 says:

    Liebour lose 41 MP’s and the buttered potato’s gone.
    It just keeps getting better.

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    Brown Eye PI says:

    They won’t like it when they need a passport to visit Blackpool.

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    GQ award winners Chris Huhne and Ed Davey says:

    If the Tories win energy prices will go up
    If labour win energy prices will rocket’ we will have blackouts and export jobs overseas.

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    McJohnny says says:

    Rachel Sylvester is quoted as saying: “If he becomes the Conservative prime minister who presided over the break-up of the United Kingdom, he will face immediate calls for his resignation from within his party.”

    The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland but not Scotland is simply The United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

    Do those inside the Westminster bubble really think Scottish independence is something Dave should actively prevent? It is democracy in action. The self-determination of a reasonably free people to associate how they wish. There is no blame to be apportioned.

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    HenryV says:

    Gets the heave-ho if Scotland goes, but stays in post if we become a province of Greater Germany……..

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    Maggie forever says:

    Pandora Dave opened the box, no going back now – dump Scotland, Labour and Dave now and save us the money having to do it all again later. About time the English were given a vote on the Union and EU!

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    Jim2 says:

    Good ridance to your neighbours, but hello to every 3rd world country that wants benefits?

    You should be grateful for what we have done for your country, only this week we celebrate the Scot, Watson-Watts’ achievement (radar). Helped prevent destruction of YOUR country don’t you know.

    You might also have heard of his relation, James Watt, who enabled your empire.

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    Brown Eye PI says:

    I’m confused. I thought our history only began in 1948 with the docking of The Windrush.

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    mraemiller says:

    He needs a lesson from Boris in forcing himself on TV cameras

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    Llareggub says:

    We no longer need Scotland. Our local chippie in the South is selling battered Mars Bars. And I bought a vegetarian haggis in Tescoes. Can’t think of anything else of value in Scotland.

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    mraemiller says:

    The problem is the Scots wont go. They’ll just become the problem of the Department for International Development instead of the treasury. After them every identiy politics group in the country will be up for breakaway. Brixton has its own currency now you know …a crackpot scheme by the EU for local currencies no doubt dreamt up by central bankers to try and devalue the pound in some way… All that effort getting everyone to join the Euro and now they want us to have local currencies. Nationalism always over promises and under delivers

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    mraemiller says:

    Is now a good time to point out that Tony Blair, Alastair Campbell and Gordon Brown are all Scots? Who has been ruining who’s country exactly?

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    Anonymous says:

    Sqeaky bum time for Salmond if they win,now he has to produce all his promises.
    Free University education,free prescriptions,free the bedroom tax,more benefits for the unemployed.40% of population are reliant on the State for either jobs or pensions.Where is the money coming from 30% of the economy, financial sector will have left,shipbuilding will go south as well.Anybody with any sense will go south for a job,house prices crash.All that are left out of the 5 million scots eligible to vote will be the unemployed and pensioners,not much tax money there.

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    Sandy Jamieson says:

    Curiously the Highland clearances were the fault of the Liberal/Whig landowners

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    Nigel Hfrrhhrrhh says:

    I think the English anti-Scotch sentiment as basically from the Home Counties smug ‘n cosy set.
    If you asked them about Liverpool, Newcastle, Leeds, anywhere north of Milton Keynes, they would say the same thing.

    Independence for Londonistan!

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    Nigel Hfrrhhrrhh says:

    spelling na*is
    .. is basically ..

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    inside out says:

    Get a job like the rest of us.There is work available,thats why the immigration rates are so high.People have become use to blaming everybody else except themselves for their predicaments,and benefits too easy,though why anybody would want to live on them for long defies belief.Have they no aspirations?

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    Voter says:

    Shouldn’t you be be with your fat, cod-faced cronies, drinking yourself to death in a bus shelter?

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    Jim2 says:

    Well then you, sir, are a hauf heid.
    Either that or a pathetic attempt at humour.

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    John Bellingham says:

    Recollect, Gentlemen, what was my situation. Recollect that my family was ruined and myself destroyed, merely because it was Mr Perceval’s pleasure that justice should not be granted; sheltering himself behind the imagined security of his station, and trampling upon law and right in the belief that no retribution could reach him. I demand only my right, and not a favour; I demand what is the birthright and privilege of every Englishman.

    Gentlemen, when a minister sets himself above the laws, as Mr Perceval did, he does it as his own personal risk. If this were not so, the mere will of the minister would become the law, and what would then become of your liberties?

    I trust that this serious lesson will operate as a warning to all future ministers, and that they will henceforth do the thing that is right, for if the upper ranks of society are permitted to act wrong with impunity, the inferior ramifications will soon become wholly corrupted.

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    Corry O'Lanus says:

    What is cowardice on SNP’s part is not allowing all people born in Scotland to vote – strange that my old aunt living in Spain can vote in a UK election but not my Scottish neighbour who lived in Ayr for 40 years…and who agreed the fuckwit rules ..Davey boy…and who extended the franchise to the youth to try and boost the vote…we’re all doomed!!

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    Owen's Remedial Herstory teacher says:

    Don’t be daft. There’s all the stuff about the evil empire and slavery before that

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    No-one cares says:

    so fuck off

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    Corry O'Lanus says:

    Well the SNP did with Salmond and his sidekick Jimmy ‘Sturgeon’ Krankie…I am sure there are 2 pairs of testicles there!!

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    Guest says:

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    Sandy Jamieson says:

    To paraphrase Irving Layton,

    “In Alex Salmond, Scotland at last produced a political leader worthy of assassination”

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    George Galloway says:

    The Union only came about because us bankrupt jockos had to go begging to the English just over 300 years ago.

    Next time I expect they’ll just tell us to feck off!

    But what about people like me and all the other Scots in positions of power and responsibility in England? I know the English are tolerant and generous but they might start to think we’re taking the piss by wanting it both ways.

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    Anonymous says:

    Even if there is a yes vote Salmond will not be around for long after.

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    Gary says:

    I think it’s unfair to blame Cameron for losing Scotland. Problems really came to a head under Thatcher and have never been resolved. The UK population has risen sharply over the years yet while this was happening the Scottish population was dropping just as fast. Disinvestment, managed decline and even from the Labour Party a sense of complacency. The Tories knew they’d get no support and so have never made any effort. This left a gap for SNP. They’ve given Scots free prescriptions, free university education etc. No wonder they are seen as the only party that cares about Scotland. Apart from improved economic status, no nuclear weapons, rolling back privatisation of the Post Office and better treatment of rural areas, keeping Water free and nationalised, preventing back door cuts to NHS, preventing austerity cuts of approx 20% off the block grant, jobs being ‘rationalised’ to elsewhere in the UK, apart from them I can’t think why Scots would vote YES. Whoops, yes I can – gets rid of the costs of the Lords who are unelected, the MPs who are screwing us and any children allowed near them.

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    Rob Roy says:

    Whether it is yes or no one thing is for sure; the entire debate has been very poorly handled particularly by Cameron.

    Little or no attention to detail, failure to agree points of principle in advance, a reluctance to visit Scotland and an eagerness to fob Scots off with yesterday’s Socialist Darling.

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    Gary says:

    Didn’t someone just get convicted at court for saying something similar – careful chaps!

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    Gary says:

    Didn’t Tony Blair ruin the Labour Party. Its now ‘Tory Lite’

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    JocksHaveWokenUp...Cheerio says:

    Why is anyone in the Westminster bubble bothered about ‘losing’ a part of the UK which has been branded in the MSM for decades as populated by ‘subsidy junkies’ – and who are an ungrateful drain on the more prosperous south of the border ?

    Unless that is all BS of course.

    Scotland will indeed re-establish its independence – and will do OK.

    Of course there are risks involved, but breaking away from Westminster has to be significant progress in itself.

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    Gary says:

    No, if Scotland goes independent you will, sadly, be stuck with the ‘subsidy monkeys’. Boris wants money for the ‘Super Sewer’. HS2 and 3 to bring in commuters from Manchester, Cross rail has already had them in our pockets and new runways/Boris Island is the next project. Luckily we didn’t have to pay the Scots to host the Commonwealth Games but The London Olympics cost us dearly. Central funds were used to redeveloped London and don’t forget the National Lottery ‘Good Causes Fund’ was, and continues to be, raided to pay for the games. This was the fund that helped local groups look after disabled children, for example. London receives the greatest amount of funding per head, then Northern Ireland, then Scotland. On the other hand, London puts more INTO the exchequer, followed by Scotland. Food for thought, have a chew..

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    Gary says:

    Johann Lamont is the one who looks like Jimmy Krankie, she’s the Labour leader, allegedly..

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    Scouse Git says:

    Aspirations? Why, La, have yeh gorra headache like?

    Vowt UKIP!

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    Gary says:

    Aside from a White Paper and a 650 page document answering all of the questions continuously and repeatedly put to him along with other stuff they haven’t thought of and lots of detailed appendices and yet Better Together promulgate the nonsense of no plan, no answer. You can view the doc online via The Scottish Govts website or order a hardcopy (you don’t need to be a voter). This is the most detailed proposal for independence any country has ever put forward. Labours retort comprises 3 pages of typed information, is vague and took two years to put together. To be fair there was more of it but Ed didn’t like it. The Coalition Government official response was in the form of a series of smaller White Papers. These are NOT available online. You can request separately for £25 each from the House of Commons. Cost over £125 for something that looks like they wrote it on the back of a fag packet.

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    Vote Yes says:

    Scotland goes independent, bye bye to Labour.

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    Gary says:

    Government pension funds are notional. They are a liability but not a debt. Pensions were designed that way from the start.

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    Seigneur blagger says:

    Debts are liabilities. Liabilities are debts.

    There is no pension fund. The schemes are unfunded.

    That means no assets. It does not mean no debt/liability.

    The annual rate of increase of the liabilities is 640 bn a year

    Given taxes, all of them, only raise 600 bn a year, its clear. The pensions debts/liabilties/promises/contracts will not be honoured.

    That’s the key point.

    You are being forced to buy something that you will not receive.

    It’s worse. If you had invested your NI, you would be 5 times better off, and that’s for a 26.5K a year median wage earner.

    That’s the reality.

    What was that about designing a system to rip people off?

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    Yeah right on — Penny DreadNaunt .

    She s got very big testicles …… they just happen to hang
    on her torso.

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    Jim says:

    It won’t take that long.

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    What s that colourless liquid he s drinking …… meths ?

  257. 257
    Jim says:

    You can’t blame Scotland for them. We have MP’s Scotland do not want and in these cases England didn’t want. It is called Democracy and Alex Salmond rejects it completely. Only his Vote should count.

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    England says:

    Put like that,It really is fucking terrifying numbers.

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    England says:

    Not true,I saw a Jock intergrating all over the pavement last night.

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    Jim says:

    No it will not.
    That is a stupid idea.
    The United Kingdom will be dead and gone.

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    Jacobite forever says:

    Down with the House of Hanover (deceptively called Windsor)! How can Scotland be truly independent if they continue to bow to a German-English monarch?

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    Seigneur blagger says:

    Thats because we’re ruled by descendants of James VII of Scotland.

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    Jim says:

    But they will not have the interest rates they want.

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    Tel E Caster says:

    White Paper? White wish-list more like.

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    Jim says:

    More than a bit shortsighted.
    Next you will be saying everybody agreed with German expansion in the 1930’s.

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    Jim says:

    He is promising no National debt which can be taken to mean no paying back Visa and Master Card. Will the English be allowed to foreclose in Scotland for non payment of Debt on Mortgages?

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    Jim says:

    We will need a strong Border.

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    Jim says:

    Our Navy will be out of there in months not years in order to maintain credibility with Russia.

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    The only Country in Europe not to have a Parliament is England says:

    And quite a lot of it was done on English soil though we’re always told we are the aggressive one’s

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    Jim says:


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    Anonymous says:

    Maybe if South Yorkshire Police had more time to look into this rather than another Hillsborough inquiry it may have been exposed long ago

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    Johann Lamont says:

    Who is borrowing £2 Billions pound a week at present? The UK
    Who has £1.4 Trillion Pounds of Debt? The UK

    How could anyone do worse.

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    Seigneur blagger says:

    Who has £1.4 Trillion Pounds of Debt? The UK


    Only if you don’t pay pensions

    If you don’t pay PFI

    If you don’t clean up the Nuclear power stations.

    If you don’t pay out on the guarantees.

    Yep, if you screw people you can get the debt down to 1,438 bn (as of 1st Sept)

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    Johann Lamont says:

    I love him. When I grow up I want to be just like him.

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    mraemiller says:

    A split UK will have much less bargaining power with other nations. To join the EU Scotland will need to join the ERM – wasn’t once enough for them? – as membership of the Euro “at a future date” is a pre-condition of membership. So how can they do that holding onto the pound? All the uncertainty of this will cause damage to our currency and markets and will undermine the pound. Yet Scotland still wants to cling onto the pound presumably shadowing it as the Barbados dollar does the US dollar or something. But what happens if the EU starts encouraging people in Scotland to use the Euro as well as the pound…?

    I really cant see what independence will give them except control over their own armed forced. I think they are chasing a chimera. Salmond says getting an independent Scotland is what drives him … but what will drive him after that? Nationalism is a dangerous force it doesn’t just dissapate into the ether.

    There are a hundred nightmare senarios which the “dump the pov scots” bridgade seem never to have cogitated on. What happens when Scotlands gone? Will Northern Ireland and Wales drop off? What will be our negotiation strength if we’re just reduced to England? Of course there was politics before nation states but it was a bit tribal, baronial and bloody. I dont like the way Salmond monopolises the historical debate either. You’d think the 2nd Civil War, the Union of 1707 and the Darien scheme had never happened to listen to what some Scots actually know about their own history. I honestly believe some of them think they were a colony? “A thousand years of English divide and rule” one said to me. But there hasn’t been divide and rule, they chose to joing and they might chose to leave. I think in the name of unity there has been too much appeasement of identity politics and not enough real effort put in to challenge the SNP’s narrative.

    I find it particularly funny that they think they are better than UKIP when in reality they are just the mirror of UKIP. Where do all these splintering Nationalist movements end? Is it the start of the end of the nation state as we know it?

    Oh well the ultimate nightmare senario is that they go all Grenada and get invaded by the US or something. Maybe they should join a non Eurpoean trading block – Caricom?

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    Johann Lamont says:

    I think we all agree on that!
    As effective as his “Charity”

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    Johann Lamont says:

    You have all just convinced me to vote YES!

  279. 279
    Johann Lamont says:

    I can feel the love in the posts today. The English are just so fond of us!

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    Edward Longshanks says:

    Tell the Scots that the day that the independence that they seek is granted, is the day that the borders l be closed.

    We have a year to rebuild Hadrian.

    Useful Scots living in England can apply for a work visa which should only be granted if the are no English,Welsh or Irish candidates. All others should be denied entry.

    No planes emanating from Scotland should be allowed access to English airspace.

    For too long the Scots have made it abundantly clear how much they hate the English……so they should be quite happy with their New World.

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    pc says:

    No such thing as a UKIP troll.


  282. 282
    Attila says:

    You missed out free heating. Why don’t we help by self-destructing our nuclear armed Tridents based at Faslane?

  283. 283
    A reasonable man from Clapham says:

    Rubbish, the Scots have always hated the English! Come to that, so have the Welsh and the Irish and the French and the Germans and the…..

    ….fuck them all!

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    A reasonable man from Clapham says:

    but apart from that the boy’s done well!

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    The only Country in Europe not to have a Parliament is England says:

    Jim, the English have taken the blame game far to long from three noisy neighbors, who if you were to look at history had a very large hand on empire in proportion to their populations.
    I see an English parliament with regions within Europe no Problem but not in a union of Equals where some are moor Equal than others( Devo Max) after all you can’t have a union within a union just to keep a few People happy for a short while until it goes tits up and down a nasty road to hell.

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    Wry smile says:

    You haven’t even started listing the risks yet.

    Your funeral!

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    The only Country in Europe not to have a Parliament is England says:

    Labour thought this in Scotland and look where we are today, the main thing is this Union that was forced on People by a King when know one but a few had a vote will end and new democracies forged by the People this time and not by the Elite.

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    The only Country in Europe not to have a Parliament is England says:

    You would only take the Great bit out allegedly

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    The only Country in Europe not to have a Parliament is England says:

    The 100 topped out in I think December 1999 just below 7000 near where I guess it is today, so who’s made the money in the last fourteen years other than the Brokers.

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    flying Pig says:

    Yep and I suppose their English ancestry would go back as far as Blair Milibands Cleggs or Camerons

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    Legacy of Westminster's Establishment says:

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    Legacy of Westminster's Establishment 2 says:

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    Legacy of Westminster's Establishment 3 says:

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    Legacy of Westminster's Establishment 4 says:

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    LIEbour says:

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    LIEbour 2 says:

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    LIEbour 3 says:

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    Jacobite forever says:

    I assume you are referring to the king who is better known as James II (d. 1701). How can you contrive that the current monarch of the UK is his descendant? Would that it were so, as all loyal Jacobites might wish.

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    Anonymous says:

    The unionists should go with emergency “Plan B” and send Gordon Brown over to the yes side.

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    SOLON 13 says:

    You insular English bastards might get a shock when Scotland leaves. You’ll lose your seat at the UN, you’ll be ruled by UKIP nutters, Europe won’t buy your goods if you leave the EU and Obama will bin that special relationship which only existed in the addled minds of the Tory faithful.

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    cheche says:

    All good then

  302. 302
    RichUpNorth says:

    What with muzzie extremists on the rampage, the Scottish referendum, pervies antics being covered up all over the country … does Dave really want to win the next election? Or is he thinking “If this is what being PM is like you can shove it up your arse!”

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    Get a fucking grip of yourself says:

    It’s not going to happen.

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    joekano76 says:

    Go and warm a toilet seat, you fag!

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    Aye up lad says:

    If Scotland votes Yes – it is beyond question that Cameron will have to resign immediately. It was he who sanctioned 16 year old Scots kids having a vote in the Referendum and he will have presided over the destruction of the union of the United Kingdom – something neither the Kaiser nor Hitler could achieve. Labour will be bound to put up a motion of No Confidence in the Prime Minister – and it is a racing certainty that around 100 Tory MPs would vote to dump the slimy occupier of No 10, who is so distrusted by the electorate that he has truly been the heir to Blair.

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    Anonymous says:

    The Highland clearances were the fault of B & Q.

    Chainsawing so that they could barbeque their Aberdeen Angus(i) in the comfort of a Perthshire back garden.

    It will be the cities and big towns that decide it and there’s very little that the Middle England lot can do about the burning hatred for the Tories of the masses that live there.

    Hoots Mon!!

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    Anonymous says:

    Aye, then hopefully Wales, followed possibly by other regions of England who wake up to what is going on in the money supply system. Then hopefully the good decent people of the UK can get access to their RIGHT to work for a FAIR wage and collectively put their boot up the backsides of ignorant retards like yourself.

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    stushie says:

    Gordie is a one of. The hypocritical,sanctimonious,lying confection cannot be replicated. Brought up in ‘The Kirk’ ,he knows how to grab the goodies and give buggerall back. Vote YES

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    I first met Alex in the men's room says:

    Dear moron,
    Thanks for the SNP press statement.

  311. 311
    Johann Lamont says:

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    Anonymous says:

    You do realise that it has been stated that the Scottish MPs will still be in the Commons until Scotland gets independence.

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    Bloke says:

    Scotland, are you thinking what we’re thinking? Good. Time to vote YES, YES, YES.

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