July 23rd, 2014

LibDem and David Ward Statements in Full

A statement from David Ward:

“I utterly condemn the violence on both sides in Israel and Gaza.

“I condemn the actions of Hamas, and my comments were not in support of firing rockets into Israel. If they gave the opposite impression, I apologise.

“However, while I defend the right of Israel to exist and defend itself, I will continue to speak out for the rights of the Palestinian people who are facing untold suffering. More must be done by the world community to end this humanitarian crisis and protect the families living in Gaza. I can understand their plight and desperation.

“A cease fire in this conflict is essential. If we are to end the suffering, and establish a safer society for people in Gaza, the first step must be an end to violence on both sides.”

A spokesperson for the Liberal Democrats said:

“This is a categorical apology from David Ward. In light of this apology, the party and the whips will decide in due course if further disciplinary action should be taken.”

Disciplinary process

The rules of the Parliamentary Party require a formal meeting between the Chief Whip and David Ward. This will take place in due course.


  1. 1
    Nick Clegg says:

    Hummus Allahu Akbar

    Step One: Prepare your chickpeas

    1. Soak your chickpeas. I like to soak them in hot water for 8 hours or overnight.
    2. Rinse the chickpeas, and then pour then into another pot and boil them until tender, about one hour. If you have a pressure cooker (I don’t), you can use that and the chickpeas will be done in no time.

    *Note: I like to make large batches of chickpeas. After you have boiled your chickpeas, you can portion them and freeze them for later use. I like to freeze mine in two-cup baggies, nested in a freezer bag. This will make your next batch of hummus come together in no time!

    Step Two: Make your hummus.

    2 cups chickpeas, still warm, or cold and peeled
    1/4 cup tahini
    2 1/2 fresh lemons, or about 8 tablespoons lemon juice
    1-2 cloves of garlic, pasted
    1 tsp sea salt
    2 tbsp yogurt (optional)
    Additional water (or cooking liquid from chickpeas) to thin

    Optional: add in 1 tsp cumin for a smokey flavor.

    1. Pour tahini and lemon juice into your food processor and pulse until creamy and pale in color.

    2. Add salt, and pasted garlic to your lemon-tahini sauce.

    3. Pour chickpeas and sauce into a food processor and blend until well incorporated. Add yogurt and process again for another minute. Then add as much water as you want to achieve your desired thinness. Taste and adjust seasonings.

    4. Let this all run in your food processor until silky smooth, for a couple of minutes.

    5. Refrigerate for a couple of hours for best flavour.

    Serve drizzled with olive oil, and any of the following: sprinkled with paprika and cumin, and garnished with chickpeas, olives, pickles, or parsley.

    Step Three: Get off your face on Tequila.

    Step Four: Go and fire some rockets into Isráel (possibly).

  2. 2
    David Ward says:

    Turns out the rumours are true, Clegg and the senior Lib Dems really are as thick as pigs**t.

    Until next time…

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    Laurie Penny says:

    Ooh my hero Ward can stick his hands down my knickers anytime.
    And being a Libdem he probably would.

  4. 4
    Billy Big says:

    What a load of shit – but with the LimpDumbs what more would be expected.
    The man is just scum as is Clegg!

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    Anonymous says:

    I think i want to throat punch you.

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    The Meissen Bison says:

    That’s an apology the way ‘Fuck Off’ is a greeting.

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    Van'essa says:

    Has he felz me in a studio I wonder?

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    Tory Bare! says:

    Utterly pisspoor response from Ward and those lacklustre f*ckwits within the Lib Dem Leadership. Ward laughs in their faces and they just stand there and take it.

    To think these w*nkers will in all probability be in a Coalition Government with Miliband’s Labour Party next year.

    Taxi! Heathrow Airport please…

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    concrete pump says:

    I imagine Ward would like to keep his fingers.

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    Ed Miliband says:

    That’s exactly how Mt Barack greeted me the other day.

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    Wardy says:

    It was the joooose wot done it.

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    manmountain says:

    Will the other 5 people in your open relationship mind?

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    The two Muppets says:

    Libdems wimping out as usual. They have the backbone of a jellyfish .

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    manmountain says:

    “Personally, I started practising non-monogamy in my early 20s as a statement against the tyranny of the heterosexual couple form and the patriarchal nuclear family”

    Laurie Penny

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    David Cameron says:

    That’s more than I’ve got!

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    UN says:

    Is Hamas using human shields in Gaza? UN finds TWO stashes of rockets hidden in empty school next to makeshift housing for 3,000 displaced Palestinians

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2702485/Is-Hamas-using-human-shields-Gaza-UN-finds-TWO-stashes-rockets-hidden-school-makeshift-housing-3-000-displaced-Palestinians.html#ixzz38IVDU7OT
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

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    Gosh says:

    UKip’s Nick Sinclaire charged!

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    Handy Pandy TonyPandy says:

    Nikki Sinclaire used a debate at the EU assembly to allege that Nigel Farage had had an affair with his press officer.

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    David Ward says:

    Sausages all round I think!

    Looks like I’ve got away with it again.

    Happy hols everybody…;)

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    Ellie-Mae (9) says:

    I bet he didn’t ask “Hey, are you the Energizer?”

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    Mycroft says:

    LibDems, can’t do right for doing wrong.

    Can’t do right because they are unable to see beyond immediate political expediency.

    Doing wrong because they are unable to comprehend that the guy did nothing wrong in the first instance.

    Zero seats if they keep this up.

    As a Party they deserve none.

    Vote UKIP and lance the boils in politics.

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    The two Muppets says:

    They really are the political dregs. They have reneged on every promise .
    Never ,never trust a Libdem . Treachery and lying are in their DNA.

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    Jen The Blue says:

    Surely even Clegg won’t just leave it there? Surely?

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    Rolfie says:

    Arf arf

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    David Ward, circa 1944, says:

    “I condemn the actions of the Nazis, and my comments were not in support of firing V2 rockets into England. If they gave the opposite impression, I apologise.

    “However, while I defend the right of England to exist and defend itself, I will continue to speak out for the rights of the people of Germany who are facing untold suffering at the hands of the RAF. More must be done by the world community to end this humanitarian crisis and protect the families living in Germany. I can understand their plight and desperation.”

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    Barack says:

    My mistake,i thought you were selling clothes pegs.

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    The last Bastion says:

    If the Lib Dems don’t eject Ward now they might as well forgt about having any MPs after the next general election, forget the Tories being the nasty party, the Lib Dems will be the party of Terrorists and Sex Pests

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    lolwut says:

    Since when did Guido become so against free speech?

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    Norma Stitz says:

    Very ex-UKIP, surely.

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    lolwut says:

    Far too many people here wanting someone punished for expressing an opinion they don’t agree with, methinks

    I don’t remember Guido becoming a left wing blogger

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    Boom boom! says:

    At what?

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    Harriet Harman says:

    It is clear that David Ward believes that it is both right to fire rockets into Israel and also very wrong to fire rockets into Israel.

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    I wish Nick Clegg had been born dead says:

    To be honest, I think the LimpDims have given up any hope of having any MPs after the next general election, full stop.

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    Well how do you explain this picture then? says:

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    Banned says:

    Exactly. The chap is entitled to give his opinion. If his constituents don’t like it then they won’t vote for him – that’s how democracy works. The power shouldn’t be in the hands of the media and Guido’s obvious bias on Israel…it should be with the people.

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    Birmingham City Council Department of Education says:

    Filthy white whore, like all white western women.

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    Rickytshirt says:

    Before he sounded like a psychopath.

    Now he sounds like a hypocritical psychopath.

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    Tory government please! says:

    The only decent option for Britain is all anti Labour people to get together and vote Tory. Ed Militant has to be stopped!

    I see no other way as UKIP are useless and tories only option. The thought of Milishit and union people makes me really angry and frightened. If you vote UKIP you are a fool!

    If Miliwanker gets in me and wife have already made our plans. We will be off to the ferry port on 8 May 2015 to get a 6am crossing to France. And there we will stay till the Tories get in again. We’ll sell house by proxy if necessary.

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    Is it ZZ-Top? says:

    The one on the left’s their drummer, who ironically had the surname “Beard”.

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    non taxable pikey says:

    UN then give rockets back to Hamas.

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    Vote Tory, get unlimited immigration says:

    “If you vote UKIP you are a fool!”

    Yeah, that’ll win us over.

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    David Ward MP says:

    It was at a ZZ Top tribute band night.

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    Yawn says:

    I was hoping Ward would hold out against the scum undermining british democracy.

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    John Smith says:

    I get confused are those the bearded dogmatists I’m supposed to like or the bearded dogmatists I’m supposed to hate?
    If any left wing bedwetter is available please enlighten me.

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    Yawn says:

    More likely the Izzies want to bomb more hospitals and schools, Shlomo.

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    Yawn says:

    I suggest you GTF out of GB if you don’t like democracy, Shlomo.

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    Shooty* says:

    David was right to clearly state that he wants to fire rockets at Israel, and right to issue a non-apology seeking to say that what he clearly said was not his intention at all, and it’s everyone else’s fault for reading it wrong.

    He must have some SERIOUS dirt on Clegg or Cable.

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    Milishit for brains! says:

    Got a point about the sheer nightmare of Milicrap though. Can you imagine the horror?

    Even President Hollande can’t be that bad?!

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    Shooty* says:

    Dude: He’s in Bradford. He’s ALREADY relying on terrorists and sex pests.

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    Jimmy says:

    So presumably unless there’s something else going on in the world that’s it for today?

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    The Black Fingernail says:

    So, let me get this right: if the rebels leave the bodies out in the open they’re being callous and unfeeling but if they move the bodies they’re interfering with evidence. Hmm, can’t win either way can they?

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    Tim Yeo-Yo says:

    Ha ha. Like that.

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    disgusted if tunbridge wells says:

    And if he came out on the side of Israel, how big would his majority be at the next election?
    He knows what side his bread is buttered. Its known as the ‘Galloway method’. Arsehole.

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    So the party stuffed to the gunwales with cranks, drunks, criminals, adulterers, sex pests, and paedophiles has an anti-semite in its ranks, what a surprise.

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    Mycroft says:

    It is very lefty-socialist to be in this on the side that O-O are presenting here.

    It’s blog so we don’t know where the ‘owner’ stands on this.

    I was told that this place came about because of a perceived need to give a voice to things in Parliament that were being silenced.

    Ward (despite being my natural enemy) said something quite accurate and undeniable and despite my enmity he has nothing to apologise for and I’ll hold fast to that, despite wanting to do him down, there is a greater ’cause’… standing on solid moral ground.

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    UN says:

    Democracy Tower Hamlets style would that be Ratfur?

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    The Master Race says:

    …or maybe he’s secretly J*wish!

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    táxpáyér says:

    BUT the Lib Dums ARE be the party of Terrorists and Sex Pests

  62. 62
    táxpáyér says:

    Not sure advocating acts of terrorism is free speech…

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    Oooo look over there ,no not this way says:

    The country has no real Tories so you will wait forever and 3 days, rats and sinking ships come to mind, me I will vote UKIP as I see no other party that is decent and honest and wants what I think this country needs, sanity and a quick departure out of the EU, but it’s awful nice of you to travel to France and wait until a “tory” government get back in, I wonder how you will like living in a real Socialist country, not the ersatz Liebour one we have here.

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    táxpáyér says:

    CCHQ needs to get some better staff.

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    The MSM do not seem to likes….but Uncle Vladdy does!

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    Nigel Farage says:

    Oy fucking vey, my life already.

    Former MEP Nikki Sinclaire has been charged with money laundering and misconduct in public office.

    Ms Sinclaire, 45, who represented the West Midlands until losing her seat in May, will appear at Birmingham Magistrates’ Court on 17 September.

    She is accused of making false and dishonest submissions for travelling expenses and transferring the proceeds of fraud through a bank account.

    The offences allegedly occurred between 1 October 2009 and 31 July 2010.

    Ms Sinclaire was elected as a UKIP MEP in 2009 but was expelled from the party the following year in a row over its membership of the Europe of Freedom and Democracy grouping.

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    Thank you Prince Philip.

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    concrete pump says:

    Aren’t they the ones who have to take their hats off to fart.

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    John Bellingham says:

    It’s people like you who give us anti-semites a bad name!

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    The Sun Still Shines. says:

    When will H@mas stop raining rockets into Izrael? When will Ham@s agree to a ceasefeare? Ward is one of those idiots who expects Israel to sit on its hand while H@m@s pour anti Semite rockets over Izrael.


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    Ward 69 says:

    I’ve been kicked in the long grass.

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    Her Maj says:

    It’s gonna happen unless Biggles gets a plum promise. Make yer mind up time Dave. Have you checked PR Today for the latest vacancies? You need to do right by your country.

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    The Establishment is infested with Nonces says:


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    I feel your pain...but not yours says:

    What pisses me off is that Ward can express sympathy and understanding to why one set of people shoot rockets all over the place and not to another set of people who follow the democratic process and vote UKIP.
    Like most left wingers though his sympathy and understanding as to why some folk act(or vote) the way they do only extends to those people that suit him.

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    The odds are truly awful now.

    Vote UKIP :-D

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    Ockham's Razor says:

    Don’t call me Shirley.

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    B’REAKING: D’utch military plane carrying bodies from MH17 crash lands in E’indhoven.

    h/t A’ssoc P’ress

    Odds are truly awful.

    Vote UKIP :-D

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    The Establishment is infested with Nonces says:

    There is a difference between advocating an action and understanding an action.

    It is possible to understand why a person would want to fire rockets at the nation which may have kiiled your mother, father, brother, sister, son or daughter. Encouraging it or advocating firing rockets is a whole other matter.

    If a foreign state you hated killed a member of your family, and you had the ability to hit them with rockets, would you not be tempted?

    Of course it does not make it right, and it is a very rare person who can forgive those who kill a member of their own family. Many people are first attracted into terrorism, as revenge for such killings. As I say, that does not make it right and I condemn terrorism, both from the individual and from the state, But I can understand the motivation. In the case of Gaza, this is made even stronger when those tempted into terrorism are encouraged to Die for Allah by their own leaders.

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    It landed safely BTW – just another example of misleading AP headline.

    Carrying from yesterday’s US press release the odds of such headline faux pas are truly awful.

    Vote UKIP :-D

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    The Establishment is infested with Nonces says:

    Very very good point.

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    Not-a-Fool says:

    Placing a X in the little box alongside a UKIP candidate gives immense pleasure and a feeling of having taken the correct action.
    Been fooled by LibLabCon too often.

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    Yeesh, my life says:

    Stop the war screams STOP THE WAR..

    Then hamas should disarm and surrender and pursue peaceful dialogue with Israel.

    Aaah but no but yeah but no yeah but no…

    Give peace a chance screams the left wing rent a rabble supporters of hamas..

    Aaaah but hamas has the right to murder civilians because of this or that supposed historical injustices going back decades.

    In fact the stop the war coalition wants the war to continue, every ceasefire they foist on Israel means hamas rearms and then attacks Israel again and again. The real blame for every civilian death lays squarely with hamas and its left wing friends in the West who keep giving hamas aid and comfort.

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    Vlad the Loudhailer says:

    Whale omelette, Humus Allah Akbar, next in Nick’s new cook book is Rocket salad.

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    Dangerous Brian says:

    Ward looks like he’s sucking a very sour lemon.

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    Tron says:

    If we had to fight WW2 with today’s media we would have surrendered in 1940.

  88. 88
    Ed Miliband says:

    I met Obama and it was….AMAZING!*cumface*

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    táxpáyér says:


    ISIS militants ransack Catholic monastery in Iraq

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    táxpáyér says:

    D’utch military plane carrying bodies from “MH17 crash”, lands in E’indhoven.

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    Henry Crun says:

    Lib Dem statement: We are going to do fuck all as usual.

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    táxpáyér says:

    They’re probably asking for a Hudna (islamic word for TEMPORARY halt to war in order to re-arm etc) and “our” journalists are deliberately mistranslating…

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    Agreed – but that is not what AP tweeted out.

    Vote UKIP :-D

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    non taxable pikey says:

    So, have we bought this system to protect our Army personnel? If not, why not?http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-debut-for-anti-tank-missile-defense-system-1000956678

    They even have a variant suitable for Jeep sized vehicles.

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    Are the Lib Dems still going?

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    táxpáyér says:

    Oh dear we have our Mad arab (a tautology) conspiracy-theorist back.

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    Mycroft says:

    We’ve become very French haven’t we.

    Well the feckless media has at least, here in the Shires we’re a bit more robust and all these ‘foreign attributes’ are only taken when they do good, we don’t take them ‘wholesale’…

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    Whippersnapper2 says:

    Leave it alone Guido. Everybody but everybody including Ward knows he’s an ignorant cnut.

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    táxpáyér says:

    Translation: “She really loves cock inside her”.

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    HasbaratCentral says:

    Quick, Spielberg, another Anne Frank movie. The suffrink! ..I can’t tell you…

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    Cynic says:

    No Laurie…you are female …sorry to disappoint

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    Mycroft says:

    I’d say that voting for someone as duplicitous as spaz-cam is the act of a fool.

    To vote Tory is the triumph of hope over common-sense.

    You won’t leave, but if you do than if you did so for that reason then frankly… f’ck off, we’re better without your weak-knee’d attitude and the ‘posturing’ in your in your post says that frankly you are right to vote for spaz-cam, he’s exactly as spineless as yourself. he’s weak like that too.

    Vote UKIP, if you don’t you’ll eventually hate yourself for fore-going the opportunity… you are not beyond salvation, but if you are… byeeee

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    Calamity Clegg says:

    We’re all gonners now. My expectation is a top job in Brussels.

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    HowMuch? says:

    No idea who this MP is, and his ‘storm in a teacup’ Tweets have been followed up with the obligatory apology – in case anyone took offence.

    Will that suffice for Guido ?

    …or will that suffice for his paymasters ?

    Suppose time will tell – and let’s see if Guido now unearths other ‘dirt’ on this MP.

    Not doing your website any favours at all: lost direction and is racing to the gutter.

    How about some focus on the shocking photos of the civilian being shot twice/dead by a sniper the other day in Gaza. Very powerful images.

    And yet it seems a huge coincidence that virtually all the UK [& US]mainstream media is busy looking the other way on that story.
    Including Guido…

    Now how does that happen ?

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    Nick Clegg says:

    He was trying to curry favour with his constituents, and as the Buk stops with me I will russle one up tomorrow.

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    Just wondering... says:

    Can someone ask Grant Shapps that, if he was living in Israel, would he approve or disapprove of bombing Gaza ?

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    Paniagua says:

    Camerons Energizer?

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    Handycock Pervert Extraordinaire says:

    How do you manage it David? I was assuming you would be joining my new Party, the Independents Party. Boaz.

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    Bonar Law says:

    No, Guido, NOT “A spokesperson for the Liberal Democrats says …” You mean, “A spokesman …” – the grammatically correct generic term. “Spokesperson” is politically correct twaddle.

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    Yawn says:

    UN (again) warns zioslime of (even more) war crimes in Gaza:


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    Yawn says:

    Ward didn;t advocate terrorism. He truthfully answered a hypothetical question.
    The Shlomos posting here openly support the bombing of Gazan civilians.

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    Bradfordistan Voter says:

    Looking though that statement with a magnifying glass in one hand and a pile of blank ballot papers in the other.

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    Shlomo says:

    Oy Vey, suuuch victims! Ve only killed 125 pal children!
    Our glorious Talmud says they were only animals like all goy children!!

    (Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals. )

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    Cynic says:


    This section applies to a statement that is likely to be understood by some or all of the members of the public to whom it is published as a direct or indirect encouragement or other inducement to them to the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism or Convention offences.

    (2)A person commits an offence if—

    (a)he publishes a statement to which this section applies or causes another to publish such a statement; and
    (b)at the time he publishes it or causes it to be published, he—
    (i)intends members of the public to be directly or indirectly encouraged or otherwise induced by the statement to commit, prepare or instigate acts of terrorism or Convention offences; or
    (ii)is reckless as to whether members of the public will be directly or indirectly encouraged or otherwise induced by the statement to commit, prepare or instigate such acts or offences.

    Penalty 7 years

    Where is Knacker when you need him / her ?

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    Air Traffic Comma Control says:

    BREAKING: Dutch military plane, carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash, lands in Eindhoven.

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    ByeBye LimpDems says:

    Is David Ward a midget, or is Von Clegg on a box?

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    It’s AP – They are having issues in the headline department.

    Perhaps someone is trying to shift the algo-bots in a direction that would increase price of oil ?

    Vote UKIP :-D

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    Certainly not says:


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    Yawn says:

    I have a better idea: the IDF disarm and let 5 million Palestinians go back to their homes and lands.
    Then Israel can pay them compensation in the same way they got compensation from the Germans for the alleged holocaust.

    One Zioscum trick is to declare some land a military training area and then to bulldoze Pal homes (obviously without giving them any compensation, they never do).

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    ... says:

    Too many ZioLoons controlling British media?

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    Hargaret Modge, Labour MP and Hypocritical serial long term aggressive Tax Avoider + expenses thief says:

    Limp Dems = Thrush —-in that they are all a bunch of irritating twunts.

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    ... says:

    No dice then, obviously. He was asked a hypothetical question and gave a truthful answer.

    As a Palestinian, you would of course suck circumcised dick after they bulldozed your home and killed your family.

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    Anonymous says:

    Your smiley is gay.

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    ... says:

    Wouldn’t have happened if Saddam were still in power.

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    ... says:

    It’s people like you who wish there were anti-semites.

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    ... says:

    No, that would be the members of the friends of Israel clubs.

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    ... says:

    No, he just believes that if he had his house bulldozed without compensation and his kids shot at by IDF snipers, he might be inclined to throw something back at the scum who keep perpetrating such crimes with the support of most British Politicians.

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    ... says:

    It’s anti-semitic to criticise Ed Milliband.

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    Jo Grimond's ghost says:

    Can’t David Ward discipline Nick Clegg for simply being utterly totally useless?

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    Cynic says:

    “you would of course suck circumcised dick after they bulldozed your home and killed your family”

    after I regretted kidnapping and murdering their children and rocketing their houses ……….?

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    Irgun Irgun says:

    You wouldn’t know an act of terrorism if you came across one laddie. I bet you were terrorised by the big boys at Kindergarten.

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    Max Cliffard HMP says:

    Judging by his expression, Diamond Dave’s hypnotized by Miriam’s viiiibrator that’s been photoshopped out Naughty Nickky’s hand. What an inopportune moment for a photo-op. Wouldn’t have happened in my time!

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    Irgun Irgun says:

    Hamas are all Semites. Israelis are not. So it’s you who are the antiSemite.

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    Nuland & Applebaum says:

    I’ll give you this, Eurotroll, you’ve been persistent in your propaganda, but now you’re just betraying bias. If you had read the latest US AP release, you would have seen that it is devoid of any real proof whatsoever. Plenty of ‘might have’s’, ‘could be’s’ etc. Basically, it’s crap.

    Keep in mind that SAM’s like the BUK-1 or SA-11 have a very obvious signature, and back-tracking these devices is routine. Consider also that the US had a satellite over the area, plus intell and monitoring on the ground. Now add the two together, and you can see that Uncle Sam’s utter failure to provide ANY real info. on this incident gives a cleiasbar message. For the hard of understanding, let me translate it. ‘The rebels didn’t do it. The Ukies did but we can’t go back on our idiot politicians’ initial knee-jerk responses because its too embarrassing.’

    The US intelligence officers, many of who are dedicated and honorable professionals, must loathe the current White House.

    btw, the link you just posted is very clumsy agitprop, if it was true the Americans would be all over it.

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    Nuland & Applebaum says:

    Dear me, EuroTroll.

    When the first reports suggested that rebels had downed MH17 you were so very vocal, you just couldn’t keep quiet about the immorality of Putin, Russia etc. Now that the first narrative is fading and significant doubt is emerging as to whether a SAM or A2A was used, let alone who fired it – you start making tasteless jokes.

    Hypocrisy? Just a little …

    Vote UKIP, btw.

  140. 140
    David Axlegrease says:


    July 22, 2014 at 11:39 pm

  141. 141

    Just the messenger – contact Corriere / reporter for confirmation.

    Doesn’t read like agitprop – but the guy who gave that interview will perhaps be retired shortly.

    Vote UKIP :-D

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    If you are referring to R’ussia’s narrative – yes – it is jumping around all over.

    The other one seems to be holding despite the odd headline errors courtesy of AP.

    Vote UKIP :-D

  143. 143
    ... says:

    Nope, wrong again.
    On average, the ZioNAZIs have killed one Palestinian child every three days for the last 13 years.

    It’s the Israelis who hold Palestinians prisoner, often without charge.

    And the Israelis are famous for destroying the homes of Palestinians often without notice and always without compensation, on a regular basis.

    But I’m sure you’d be quite happy about that, if you were Palestinian.

  144. 144
    Old Rat says:

    Spot on! My only real concern is that when UKIP win a few seats we may have a Private Members Bill to make us all wear anoraks.

  145. 145
    Double-yawn says:

    I suggest you GTF out of GB and live in Saudi, you Islamofascist-appeasing shit.

  146. 146
    HowMuch? says:

    Wow !
    For an unusually honest, balanced, objective assessment about Palestine/Israel, just read the attached HufffPost link, written by a Harvard Professor, and it is actually viewable in the US, [for now anyway] !

    And, in my opinion, this is the threat to foreign policy that the UK is looking at via ‘Friends of Israel’ lobby groups at Westminster.


  147. 147
    Sitting in a Brussels bar says:

    Wins a few seats…hahahahahaha.

    But if they do, let’s hope UKIP’s MPs actually turn up and vote, unlike their MEP colleagues.

  148. 148
    Anonymous says:

    From the same report: “On Monday, 25 members of same family were killed when Israeli forces struck house – three of woman were pregnant”.

  149. 149
    Anonymous says:

    my husband was always cheating on me and even spends nights out. sometimes he even leave for the entire week end, pretending that he has work, but i know he just go meet women, my life was lame until, i asked robinsonbuckler@yahoo. com to cast a spell for me. so that my husband can be a good man and after his spell, my husband changed automatically, he now spends much more time with me and the kids and we’re a family again,

  150. 150
    The 80 per cent who don't vote UKIP says:

    Oh fuck off you self-righteous dipstick.

  151. 151
    Anonymous says:

    So a woman would have to be called ‘Lady Chairman’?

  152. 152
    Anonymous says:

    But what about the US narrative jumping all over the place?

    For the ‘White House deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes said the U.S. was still working to determine whether the missile launch had a “direct link” to Russia, including whether there were Russians on the ground during the attack and the degree to which Russians may have trained the separatists to launch such a strike.’

    Or have AP mis-reported that one?

  153. 153

    AP have been doing some interesting reporting.

    They seem to still have problems similar to that which plagued them when they reported O’bama had been attacked.

    The jumps seen in the M’oscow T’imes etc. are much bigger :-)

    Vote UKIP :-D

  154. 154
    Anonymous says:

    And yet, according to AP, US “intelligence officials were cautious in their assessment, noting that while the Russians have been arming separatists in eastern Ukraine, the U.S. had no direct evidence that the missile used to shoot down the passenger jet came from Russia.” So it seems that even the US are becoming less-than-willing to pin the blame on Putin. Should be interesting to see if MSM start tone-down the anti-Russia headlines?

  155. 155

    Calm before the storm. Funerals are up next.

    Vote UKIP :-D

  156. 156
    Anonymous says:

    After following the neo-con’s anti-Russian line, do you believe that MSM are going overly happy when they see how Uncle Sam is toning down the blame gang?

  157. 157
    Anonymous says:

    “while I defend the right of Israel to exist and defend itself”
    one can’t help wondering what a nation with god exclusively on its side would need with assistance from America. Who, if Christian (as claimed), present a heretical ideology. Just one onf the many questions it’s best not to ponder. If preserving a human narrative is deemed more important than preserving humanity itself. Which because religion cannot exist sans humanity, is itself completely counter intuitive.

  158. 158
    Mycroft says:

    Insults… the Ace in deck of debate, well done! :)

  159. 159
    Anonymous says:

    Don’t know if that comment is for real, but it certainly has a strong degree of truth to it. While nobody has ever said that Saddam was a nice man – he keep the country together and free of terror gangs. Now what kind of ‘freedom’ do the people of Iraq enjoy today?

  160. 160
    Anonymous says:

    Should read: ‘blame game’. (Sorry, having a bad spell)

  161. 161
    Anonymous says:

    Yes, this time, US intelligence officers have been very professional and have acted in an honorable way. One can only hope that – unlike the Iraq War – they can make the boss understand the damages. That the chance to get one on Putin is just NOT WORTH THE RISK of a new cold or hot war. While the neo-cons and many in the MSM will not be happy – is it not time to stop the drums of war?

  162. 162
    Anonymous says:

    Who can you vote for if you like violence?

    Some Democracy this is

    Disgruntled voter.

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