July 19th, 2014

Quote of the Day

Edward Snowden on national versus state security

“We constantly hear the phrase “national security” but when the state begins … broadly intercepting the communications, seizing the communications by themselves, without any warrant, without any suspicion, without any judicial involvement, without any demonstration of probable cause, are they really protecting national security or are they protecting state security?

What I came to feel – and what I think more and more people have seen at least the potential for – is that a regime that is described as a national security agency has stopped representing the public interest and has instead begun to protect and promote state security interests. And the idea of western democracy as having state security bureaus, just that term, that phrase itself, “state security bureau”, is kind of chilling.”


  1. 1
    FSB says:

    Wonder why he has nothing to say about us?

  2. 2
    Roy Rogered says:

    he hardly needs to

  3. 3

    Self-justifying bullshit by a traitor masquerading as a libertarian.

  4. 4
    concrete pump says:

    He wouldn’t dare, every word he says, every move he makes is being recorded by his new chums.

    How do you like your new ‘freedom’ Snowy..?


  5. 5
    Strange says:

    Most of his recent statements have coincided with Putin being in some international difficulty. Anyone else noticed that?
    Just a coincidence I’m sure….

  6. 6
    Anyone who says "kind of" is a retard says:

    “And the idea of western democracy having state security bureaus, just that term, that phrase itself, “state security bureau”, is kind of chilling.”


  7. 7
    I'd like to boycott Russian products, but what the fuck do they make? says:

    True, but when is Putin not in some international difficulty?

  8. 8
    Busby Barclay says:

    Are traitors hanged or shot these days? Just checking.

  9. 9
    Anonymous says:

    All Americans commenting on here then I assume. Mostly from around the middle areas I’m guessing…?

  10. 10
    I'd like to boycott Russian products, but what the fuck do they make? says:

    A curious assumption to make on a British political blog.

  11. 11
    I'd like to boycott Russian products, but what the fuck do they make? says:

    I think they usually end up in the House Of Lords.

  12. 12
    wanker watch says:


  13. 13
    Anonymous says:

    I felt better when it was the media spying on us rather than the government.

  14. 14
    Anonymous says:

    The guy did us a service at great cost to himself. Now when that knock at the door comes in the middle of the night, because of something you said on a blog like this, you’ll at least know the reason why

  15. 15
    Confucious the Voter says:

    If this can happen in politics, what price May 2015 ?
    Polls totally irrelevant
    Newly-founded party wins the Slovenian general election: A six week-old party has won Slovenia’s general election, with its leader, Miro Cerar, expected to become prime minister. The Party of Miro Cerar (SMC) won around 37% of the votes on a centre-left platform, pledging to cut Slovenia’s budget deficit and fight against major corruption scandals. The elections were called by President Borut Pahor after Prime Minister Alenka Bratusek resigned in May 2014. European Voice; EUObserver; New Europe; Deutsche Welle; Financial Times; Financial Times; Bloomberg; BBC News; European Voice

  16. 16
    Our Privacy is not for sale under any terms be it health or otherwise. says:

    ” …….is that a regime that is
    described as a national security agency has
    stopped representing the public interest and
    has instead begun to protect and promote
    state security interests. ”

    What about the scum who are happy to violate our privacy for profits and thus promote business as well as the state’s ‘security’ interests? Time the truth is out. Labour have questions to answer especially the one eyed mong Brown! Fooling no one.

  17. 17
    Fools Gold says:

    We still are not getting the absolute truth and if the whole truth were told Labour would be finished and no one would votes the scum back in.

  18. 18
    FSB says:

    No guess again! (I’m not Russian either)

  19. 19
    FSB says:

    That only happens in Russia and it’s not a knock on the door it’s a sudden bullet to the head.

  20. 20
  21. 21

    Well by that yardstick ukip should walk our one …. they ve been around at least 16 years!!

  22. 22
    Anonymous says:

    Please sack the neo-cons, Guido. They are destroying this blog.

  23. 23
    ukip.I.am says:

    Snowden is a twat. Thanks to his treacherous behavior, national security services will be even more inclined to use punitive measures to monitor citizens.

  24. 24

    UKIP have the disadvantage of a first past the post electoral system.

  25. 25

    Why does everyone imagine that the national security services are an all knowing, all seeing omnipotent powerful organisation, they are just as efficient as any other useless government department ,self interested time serving bullshitters!

  26. 26
    Peter hall says:

    The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland appears to have had a Special Branch security agency operating for many years.

  27. 27
    I'd like to boycott Russian products, but what the fuck do they make? says:

    We don’t import Russian gas, cretin.

  28. 28
    Labour voting thicko says:

    Thank God our privacy is safe with the weirdos that make up the Labour Party. Ed is the messiah.

  29. 29
    CCTV says:

    I just the announcements you get when trying to talk to these guys for example
    “This call is being recorded for safety and training purposes” know it’s not

    or the one sign that really gets me

    ‘” CCTV is in operation for your safety and security”

    If that’s right how come crime watch get CTTV pictures of the perps that are so grainy the photo would have been more effectively taken by curiosity from the surface of mars

  30. 30
    CCTV says:

    Know = no

  31. 31
    Fuck you, Cameron: I carry a fucking big knife. says:

    “CCTV is in operation for your safety and security”

    If the State were so concerned for our safety and security, it would (a) put more police on duty, (b) put offenders in prison (not open prison) for years on end and (c) allow us to carry guns.

  32. 32
    Anonymous says:

    But every word he said, every move he made was being recorded by his old chums. Little wonder he always felt like the NSA was watching him.

  33. 33
    Anonymous says:

    Now is that any way to talk about your own comments?

  34. 34
    Anonymous says:

    Clearly, for some folks the Cold War never really ended. You country – wrong or wrong?

  35. 35
    Anonymous says:

    Every breath he takes
    And every move he makes
    Every bond he breaks, every step he takes
    We will be watching Him

    Every single day
    And every word he says
    Every game he plays, every night he stays
    We will be watching him

    Oh can’t he see
    He belongs to us
    How our poor heart aches
    With every step he takes

    Every move he makes
    And every vow he breaks
    Every smile he fakes, every claim he stakes
    The NSA will be watching him

  36. 36
    I'm actually ejaculating as you read this message says:

    Betraying a state, or any organisation is good; betraying your own ethnic group, or blood is evil.

    Any more posts from Cheltenhamon this thread?

  37. 37
    taxpayer squeeze says:

    And who would pay for that? CCTV is cheaper…

  38. 38
    Putin says:

    Correct! Never ended for me, in fact I’ve been doing all I can to start it up again.

  39. 39
    Tinfoil hat says:

    I dropped off his head onto the keyboard.

  40. 40
    GCHQ says:

    We’re watching you and your friends, we have tinfoil countermeasures. If you don’t behave the black helicopters will bring you in for an anal probe.

  41. 41

    And rarely any use in gaining convictions!

  42. 42
    Anonymous says:

    Just because someone wears a tinfoil hat, it does not mean that powers-that-be ain’t out to get them. And yet, while films such has Enemy of the State may have over-stated things a little – does not Snowdon prove that there IS a clear danger to our private data?

  43. 43
    Anonymous says:

    Just change the word Putin to ‘US Neo-Con’ and your statement would be spot-on. For what are they NOT willing to do to re-start the Cold War?

  44. 44
    Anonymous says:

    Snowden on: Hearing the British government wanted to destroy the Guardian’s hard drives

    “First off, I have to admit I kind of clapped my hands. This is stupid. I was shocked that the UK government would go so far for so little. It should have been obvious to anyone who works with data or journalism, or anybody in these intelligence agencies that you can’t grind hard disks.

    You know, you can’t grind data out of existence when we have a global interconnected internet, and particularly when … the journalists who were on the ground were still out there. And yet they did it. It seemed like a clear intent to intimidate the press into pulling back and not reporting…”

  45. 45
    Anonymous says:

    See comment 44. Snowden has plenty to say about our spies, the police and hard-drives.

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