July 18th, 2014

BBC Justifies Telly Poll Tax By Claiming Poor Watch More TV

The BBC claims that the licence fee poll tax is justified because poor people watch more television than better off households. With Director General Tony Hall appearing in front of the DCMS select committee this week, the Beeb’s Director of Policy James Heath blogged that a flat rate licence fee is fair on the poor because they watch so much TV:

“The argument for a uniform fee is that there is a direct link between the level of the service received by everyone, and the level of the charge made on everyone. While the licence fee does constitute a higher proportion of lower households’ expenditure, these households also consume more BBC TV than richer households.  As a proportion of household spending, the licence fee is lower than expenditure on many other household items, including transport services, communications, and fuel. Over the last five years the cost of many household items has gone up significantly in real terms while the cost of the licence fee has declined. The licence free represents a very small percentage of household expenditure – even for the lowest income decile, on average, the licence fee is around 1 percent of household spending.”

Dismissing people on a low incomes as a bunch of idle, square-eyed couch potatoes hardly seems in keeping with the liberal, progressive values of Aunty Beeb. If a right-winger patronised less well-off people by telling them a flat tax was value for money because they spend so much time in front of the telly, the Today programme would be in uproar…


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    Paxo says:

    Do poor people watch Newsnight?

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    US aircraft had been barred from over flying East Ukraine says:

    “Sully” Sullenberger was questioned why Malaysia Airlines flight 17 would be flying over Ukraine’s border with Russia despite ongoing political unrest in the area.

    Sullenberger, the veteran of the 2009 Miracle on the Hudson landing, is an aviation expert for CBS News, and was asked by Anchor Scott Pelley why a commercial plane would be flying over an area where two aircraft have been shot down just this week.

    “That is one of the big questions right now,” said Sully. “The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has barred U.S. Airlines from flying over this area for some time.”


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    generic taxi driver says:

    dont watch the bbc so can I have my money back?

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    Why are the Tories scared of Righting this wrong? says:

    But If I want to watch Sky or ITV or even a European satellite channel and not the BBC the law says I must have a TV Licence.

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    The last Bastion says:

    What a shocker, a man on Uncle Rupert’s payroll attacking the BBC.

    Keep it up, I’d pay double what I’m paying now to keep the BBC advert free, and if they slip the government leash they’ll put Sky out of business within 18 months.

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    Anonymous says:

    So logically,if the ‘poor’ watched less BBC, they would be richer. The BBC is contributing directly to ‘poverty’. It all makes sense now.

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    Angry Anderson says:

    The truth is out there and it ain’t what fucking Guido takes his thirty pieces of silver for every Sunday…


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    Shooty* says:

    Today Program says: “Does it affect The Peaceful Ones? If not, we don’t actually care. Poor white people are SO intolerant. Urgh.”

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    Gerhard says:

    There’s some suggestion that the rich might like to subsidise the poor to watch television?

    Progressive taxation for all.

    Vote for Weird Ed.

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    Smash the socialist NWO BBC. says:

    There’s nowt as queer as folk.

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    White Dee says:

    “Dismissing people on a low incomes as a bunch of idle, square-eyed couch potatoes hardly seems in keeping with the liberal, progressive values of Aunty Beeb.”

    Are they having a laugh? Of course we are.

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    The two Muppets says:

    Most Labour voters do not understand Newsnight .

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    A normal person says:

    What are you trying to say tinfoilly?

    That Murdoch shot down a plane full of researchers to prevent a cure for Aids?

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    England is becumin a ferd world cess-pit innit says:

    The only people who could watch/listen to the BBC are clearly feckless, brain dead, obese, scrounging simpletons.

    Mrs Farthcer slayed all the enemies of Britain,,,marxist union rats, communist traitors who wanted us to abandon our defences, the argie cowards, the establishment traitors/defeatists who wanted Britain’s economic decline only to be ‘managed’, the scum who rioted in the third world shitholes, the police criminals….and eventually she helped to free the slaves of Communism

    But yet she chose not to liquidate the nest of leftist vermin at Television centre…why???

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    Benny Fitz-Clements says:

    I’m not poor but I know some working-class people who are.

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    Death Throw's-Dwarf Thowing Over 1000 Metres says:

    The typical response from a Champagne Socialist whose wages exceed even the PM’s. This farce has to stop. The BBC should embrace PPV or get in advertisements. As a Libertarian, no-one has the right to vote-in a Compulsory Tax for something that I don’t use. The BBC isn’t Education, Health, Services or Defence, it’s something that people CHOOSE TO USE. Your definition of a ‘Poll Tax’ is actually correct (well, sort of).

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    Easy easy says:

    That website looks and reads like a madwoman’s shite.

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    Guy News Room Spokesperson says:

    Best news of the day

    Owen Jones future in doubt after a succession of inane and offensive tweets.

    It is rumoured that Owen has been quaffing far too much Bollinger of late,and his judgement is severely impaired.

    We send our condolences.

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    The dupes watch ITV and the adverts are all part of the fun. Competitions, fun, phone ins, Kyle, X factor and a myriad of dumb down trash to enlarge couch potatoes. Milk tray anyone?

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    Too much chocolate too?

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    Raving Loon says:

    I’m not exactly poor and I’ll have you know that I waste hours in front of the TV, so there.

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    Bill Quango MP says:

    Finally! A lefty that does understand how things work.

    Ok, we are agreed. You, and everyone else who subscribes to the BBC, are going to pay about £300 a year and will receive all BBC output. On a set top box, or through smart TV or via a satellite.

    Everyone else, who does not wish to subscribe, will pay nothing, but will receive nothing.

    The BBC can remain advert free.

    There! Everyone is happy!
    Freedom of choice in action.

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    Sully is a Hero says:

    Well Geedo can’t dismiss Sully as a tinfoil hatter. He’s the pilot who saved all souls on board his plane and those on the ground with his emergency ditching onto the Hudson river.

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    Vote Dave? Get stuffed says:

    Surely if people are really poor they wouldn’t be able to afford a TV set. It is hardly a necessity, is it? People do not die through lack of BBC programmes. They could however freeze to death because of the green energy taxes that the Liblabcons have imposed on the poor.

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    Anonymous says:

    “these households also consume more BBC TV”

    Consume? The cnuts are on another planet.

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    Seen enough lard waddling into T*sco today to put anyone off food for life. Like..grossly OBESE.

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    UKIP Spokesman says:

    Gays cause Floods as well as Air Crashes. Notice how the plane didn’t crash in Russia?

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    David Dimbletie says:

    Erm…..I don’t work during the summer. So I really don’t care.
    Ps tell my agent I can do one more series of 13 episodes, for a million quid.
    Then they’ll have to get a different Dimbleby to chair question time.

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    The BBC says:

    Which is odd. As its producers, editors and presenters are of the Labour elite.

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    concrete pump says:

    Aren’t the poor just soooo lucky.

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    Smack My Nigella Up says:

    The writing is on the wall for the left wing BBC and thier hated poll tax and they know it.

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    Why was a commercial jet flying over an area known to contain commies, rocket launchers and war. With mad Vlad down the road??

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    BBC weather. says:

    Global warming has caused sea levels and the licence fee to rise. Fact..end of…the science is settled!

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    concrete pump says:


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    A Tory. says:

    Good Man. I wish you well.

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    Anonymous says:

    Just Stop Paying the BBC Poll Tax, unless you are stupid enough to confess on record nothing will happen to you

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    BIll Quango MP says:

    You can still get a black and white tv licence for only £49.50

    But you can’t get a black and white telly unless you have a time machine.

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    just like westminister says:

    subsidized beer yes please

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    TV fee is theft says:

    It’s past time for your medicine.

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    Watch today now, the advert free golf in H D for free, …why sell it to Rupie?

    Still he could get the interminable blick starvin charitee ads on ten times an hour.

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    Simple Really says:

    That’s the point. If you want to watch BBC, you can – even at double the present cost. Those of us who don’t watch it’s output can decide not to pay for what we don’t watch.
    Hall hasn’t justified the mandatory licence fee at all.

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    They are available, correctly now called grey and greyer.

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    a modern manifesto says:

    1. tax off locally produced beer.
    2. stop subjecting local pubs to business rates.
    3. make police drive drunks home, free of charge, when they are not occupied with an emergency.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    OMG! not THE Brock University?

    Well that’s it’s then it must be true :-)

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    One, 2, miss a few, 99, 100! says:

    Tony Hall, was appointed director general of the BBC yesterday on a £450,000 salary – topped up with an estimated £80,000 a year pension earned when he previously worked at the corporation. Nice work if you can get it I suppose..

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    rick says:

    I caught that, too. “Consume” – makes them sound like they are producing something solid and of benefit – not just a load of PC bullshit.

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    concrete pump says:

    It’s called YouTube, fuckwit..!

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    Simple Really says:

    Perhaps they cannot be bothered to find the remote, so just leave the telly on Channel 1.

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    Vote Dave? Get stuffed says:

    Maybe someone will open TV banks so the poor can get free TV licences. Then again only the BBC think that watching them is more important than eating or heating.

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    British Values please! says:

    This country has gone to the dogs it really has. I remember a time when men were men and didn’t wear make-up. Men shaved every day or had proper beards and wore suits and hats. They had their haircuts on a Saturday morning and were the breadwinners.

    I also remember a time when the BBC were loyal to the Queen and Tories. Politicians had our full respect and we didn’t question them or any established figure. Women stayed at home and looked after the children as they ought to do and obeyed their husbands wishes. Children did as they jolly well were told and allergies and vegetarians didn’t exist much. Homosexials didn’t bother those that weren’t, the wife would cook me a proper Sunday Roast, telly finished at 10pm, everyone had jobs, children raised their caps to adults, everyone voted, the pubs served warm beer and shut at 10.30 and generally served men only, , there was no obesity, no benefit fraud, we had an Empire and won sports, you could say whatever you wanted in public, immigrants weren’t a problem, the men drove the cars and women looked and acted like women.

    This is the England and Britain I knew and made us great. Where did it go?

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    Simple Really says:

    Did Hall explain why BBC receives funding from EU ?
    Why do they get such funds by the way ?

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    Chuk says:

    Is it OK to get a colour TV and turn the colour down?

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    @OR : Responded to you back on the Sara Firth thread.

    She’s toast now, but it is likely part of a maskirovka: distract from RT and buy them some time and legitimacy through implication – ie. Reporter resigned on principal, hence others in organization have principals.

    Think L’iz W’ahl / A’bby M’artin re-run from a few months back.

    Now – This does need to be translated into S’panish and broadcast nice and clearly into L’atin A’merica – in particular – at A’rgentina – before they are coerced into doing something very dumb with Las Malvinas.

    ¿Usted me estás comprendiendo? :-)

    Vote UKIP :-D

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    If i consume more electricity than my neighbour (assuming the same energy company) then quite rightly i should pay a higher bill.

    It looks like the BBC can use the same principle to fund themselves, it’s called pay per view.

    I quite agree.

    Bring it on :-)

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    Angus McCoatup says:

    Can watch ALL Sky and the like for FREE online, so do what they like with Aljabeeba, I will still watch for free on vipbox and wizwig.

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    Ed Balls, shallow chancellor says:

    The BBC TV tax is great value, costing less than a pint of milk.

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    It’s worth it just for Animal SOS. Today’s show had a kitten trapped in a garage!!

    (Next week: an Audi gets trapped in a catflap)

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    Fly from Soup says:

    the bbc claims that


    & that

    the THIKC need the BBC as their OPIATE

    both the BBC and the POOR should be privatised

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    That's it then. Ed has spoken says:

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    Consume: because "watching" isn't trendy. says:

    “these households also consume more BBC TV”

    Nom nom nom! I just love consuming my TV! Nom nom nom!, cooked to perfection! Pass the salt and ketchup, will you? Nom nom nom munch chew.

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    When you have to pay for it, whether you want it or not………

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    Roy Rogered says:

    perhaps AA is saying that the phone tap of the separatist who claimed he’d downed a plane was done by ‘trigger’

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    kedgree says:

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    One-term Dave says:

    I could have done that, but firstly I’m a left-wing cretin and secondly I was wayyyyy too busy legalising bumsex marriage to do anything remotely useful.

    Tally ho!

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    Ted Lowe says:

    There it is, in black and white.

    Does that mean we can get a reduction in the licence fee ?

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    BBC Red Bottom says:


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    rick says:

    Absolutely true. Do they collect from a culturally enriched block of flats in Hackney were the residents do not speak English ? I don’t think so.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Well the BBC is mostly full of cooking programmes :-)

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    A few more manifesto pledges for the Tories to declare:

    1. Axe the telly tax in the the very first session of parliament after the election to ease the cost of living o the poor and squeezed middle.

    2. Freeze the council tax for a further 5 years (ensure no loop holes and that councils must freeze it by law) again to ease the cost of living on the poor and squeezed middle.

    3. Bring in a new crime of Public Sector manslaughter so that those responsible for Staford Hospital can be jailed for their crimes.

    It’ll have Liebore and the Fib Demons in a right spin :-)

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    Brock – ranked equal bottom in the Maclean league table of Canadian universities in 2014.

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    Bombardier; Bedford's finest advertising agency says:

    God that loks fucking awful

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    concrete pump says:

    Really, what particular post was that then..?

    Go play with something shiny, dickhead.

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    Mr Logic says:

    No, it is true. Look at the indisputable evidence. Righties live in crappy housing estates (slums, if you will), have crappy cars that always fail the MOT, they tend to have few qualifications, low-status jobs, probably rely on payday loans and foodbanks because they can’t manage their meagre finances properly. They suffer poor health and die young.

    Lefties, however, live in big houses, have lots of qualifications and consequently high-high status jobs and..

    No, hang on..

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    I hope everyone who works for the BBC dies of cancer says:

    If by “privatised” you mean “sent off to be used in medical experiments”, I’m with you all the way.

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    Simple Really says:

    Please prove that those who comment using BBC source are the same posters as those who say they don’t watch BBC.

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    Whatever happendto the monoplies and Mergers Commision says:

    This fee is outdated, most analogue signals have gone along with teletext letters page. most people have didgital free view with plenty of channels. ( its hardly the early seventies with three channels) so by by auntie I never wanted to by you that yearly present anyway.

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    Vladimir Putin (mass murderer) says:

    It didn’t crash in Russia because we shot it down too far into Ukrainian territ..

    Oops. No, uhm..

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    Oy ! says:

    Ask your Tribe who run the Ukraine government.

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    Neitherdeadnoralive says:

    Fuck the BBC ! Us poor people can afford to have Sky, Apple TV, Netflix, etc, thanks to the very generous benefits the Tories give us ! They should also give us free telly license to go with our free rent and council tax !

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    Simple Really says:

    Quite so

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    PC Plod says:

    Do our equality and diversity training courses count as ‘emergencies’?

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    let slip the clogs of war says:

    confiscate the tvs, sofas and carpets shared lavtoriies oner per 100 head
    they would soon get jobs

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    Simple Really says:

    But if I choose not to drink milk, I don’t have to pay for some !
    What can’t you understand about the iniquity of legally protected theft

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    Ockham's Razor says:

    Had seen but otherwise was very preoccupied today. Working for HMRC today on a zero-rate contract, one might say. How many times is it necessary to write out one’s date of birth FFS? I was itching to put “unchanged from last time”.

    My remark was made on a rather tongue-in-cheek basis, probably on the basis of mine in hers. I could have improved on it if I had the time. Not the first time I have confessed to that. ;-)

    Perhaps I was safely out of it. Quite a few useful idiots about on the previous thread to that. Apologists or subversives, one wonders? Would have been great to plot all their ISPs, probably in the low numbers of Kensington Palace Gardens…

    Vote UKIP :-D

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    Simple Really says:

    BBC gave me indigestion years ago, so no longer “consumed”, yet I still have to pay for it.

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    Ockham's Razor says:

    Fuerte y claro!

    Vote UKIP :-D

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    ron says:

    It’s fun to see the BBC act in an increasingly undignified and desperate manner while defending the TV tax.

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    Vote LibLabCon, get unlimited immigration says:

    All good, to which I’d add:

    4. Scrap public sector pensions. All of them. If public sector workers, including MPs, want more than the state pension, they’ll have to take out a personal pension, just like everyone else.

    Then they should have a very real interest in not f*cking up the economy, or voting for a Party that has a pension-destroying oaf such as Gordon Brown as shadow chancellor.

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    Vlad the Loudhailer says:

    Will Belson Burnham put that in the Labour manifesto?

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    SA11 up a conspiritards ass says:

    View story at Medium.com

    Perhaps because 825 other aircraft went thst way this week. The route was considered safe and was approved by international air traffic organisations. There was a NOTAM for Crimea/ Simoferapol but that is further south.

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    The BBC says:

    If you’re not black, Asian or minority ethnic, you’re just a pathetic bigot who shouldn’t be in our country, and we’re going to ignore you.

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    Sposa says:

    Makes one want to vomit

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    Producer of Woman's Hour (Female) says:

    You’ve been taking a look in my potty!!!

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    Grey Spool says:

    Aren’t you glad to be a part of it ?

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    Lizzie says:

    The poor make more use of the NHS as well, so will the BBC be advocating a flat tax to pay for that?

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    Chlöe Sal Gerbeeba says:

    The heat generated by the BBC’s transmitters is causing the ice in my lemonade to melt. Pull the plug on the bastards now.

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    reading is optional says:

    So if the BBC justify the money is required because the poor watch more tv, then they shouldn’t be too worried if the taxman, taxes all BBC employee’s at 75p in the pound, after all the poor watch more telly and it is for the poor.

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    Flight Watch says:

    View story at Medium.com

    Heat map using data from planefinder.net. on Sky News Shows 825 flights took same or similar routes to MH17.

    Why because there were no international concerns. Some carriers and governments were avoiding the area, most otjets were not. There was a NOTAM for Crimea but not areas further north.

    Why didn’t Russia or it’s Rebels issue a warning to civilian air traffic?

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Agreed, to which i add:

    5. Make the police,firemen,teachers etc. sign no strike agreements. Any that don’t like this condition can fuck off and get a job in the private sector.

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    reading is optional says:

    Can add, after the public sector have taken out a private pension after the first year a tax similar to the one the delightful Brown used when he raided the private pensions for ten years, the tax will be taken for ten years out of the public sector private pensions and pissed up the wall, to nowhere, after all equality reigns.

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    Шпион, который пришел в из тепла says:

    Ты никогда не в одиночку с Ан посольством.

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    Neil Down says:

    He’s being slippery here. The BBC can’t tie the TV license to income or estate because it’s not a tax, it’s a charge levied by a non-government organisation which happens to be backed up by law. They would of course prefer you to think of it as a tax because that encourages you to think there is no way around it (when there certainly is) but in truth they can’t charge you based on your wealth anymore than Sainsburys can.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Foreigners use the NHS more than the resident British people, but pay fuck all for it.

    Why not present these foreigners with the bill for their treatment up-front:

    No pay bill, no getty treatment, comprende, now fuckofski!

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    The Growler says:

    “Dismissing people on a low incomes as a bunch of idle, square-eyed couch potatoes hardly seems in keeping with the liberal, progressive values of Aunty Beeb.” Geedes I thought that was what you and your window lickers did, I should protest they are doing your job for you. I must admit a lot of old folk switch th box on when they get up and don’t switch it off until they go to bed, when they just stare at the box for hours on end it is the begining of the end. Some unfortunates being unable to go out, the lantern or radio is their remaining link with the outside world. I am heading towards the big 70, but I can still get about and I watch the idiots lantern on average 2 hours per day, I would get no visitors, no family, when I couldn’t get out after a fractured tibia, it fustrated me but I had my radio the box only switched on in the evening.

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    Roy Rogered says:

    and don’t they just deny it

    in which case…….

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    Roy Rogered says:


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    Just run along now, nothing to see here as we thought. Now go and integrate nicely, ie let the R of P win and just move to a National Park or something.

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    The Growler says:

    Didn’t you know Geedes is a world expert in these sorts of things

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    Cynic says:

    That’s why they have longer fingers oop north – to fish the chips out of the newspaper innit while we swill them down with Newcastle Brown

    We southerners and BBC types are much more sophisticate. For a start we only eat grilled seabass with potato dauphinoise and char-grilled asparagus and sip Chablis

    This doesn’t make us feel better of course – oh no – just different to the plebs

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    Cynic says:

    …in a sophisticated way of course and preferably into Villeroy and BOsch …..well, one does have standards old chap

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    The Growler says:

    I don’t watch Sky, if folks want to fork out a fortune to watch it, I have no copmlaints The trouble in Murdoch media is everywhere, just note all the cross ads on freeview, Sky used to be free when it first started.

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    Raptor says:

    The BBC is not liberal, it is leftist.

    As for being “progressive”, the BBC’s idea of progress is more immigrants, and bigger handouts for the soft end of the public sector, including themselves.

    The TV Licence tax should be abolished. If Cameron did that before the next election, he would sweep the country.

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    Maximus says:

    Exactly the logical conclusion of the communist Heath’s argument here. But like the Bbc, economical with the truth, this one is economical with the logic.

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    The Growler says:

    Fawkes have you noted that, you can pass it on to the Master

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    One Eyed Scottish Idiot says:

    Thank you for your contribution.

    Had it not been for your intervention, I’m sure everyone would have forgotten it and moved on.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Just look at the size of the BBC’s carbon footprint.

    Close the fuckers down now for the sake of those poor drowning polar bears :-)

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    The BBC - being thick lefty arseholes so you don't have to says:

    If the poor watch more TV, then help them out by NOT FORCING THEM TO BUY A FUCKING TV LICENCE.

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    The Growler says:

    I thouight all you lot were higher middle class on well over £50K, money no object, no reason to count the pennies, yet you whinge at paying £145 pa don’t forget the Idiot’s lantern is switched on when the kiddie winkies come home from school, unless of couse they are at a public school where they have to provide their own entertainment.

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    The Growler says:

    And don’t forget all that hankie pankie going on in the HoC, she did not do anything about that unless her vegetables put pressure on those below them.

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    Fortynums & Masonsers says:

    “they can’t charge you based on your wealth”

    Are you sure about that? We’ve never had a problem.

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    E L Whisty (Head Groundsman) says:

    Take a look at the flight plan registered with and through national aviation authorities and with ICAO. Then look at where the wreckage impacted.

    Then sit and watch the coverups, lies and bullshit.

    Somebody, or group of bodies, is/are trying hard to whip things up into shooting war. Who benefits from wars?

    Putin has always wanted Russia to expand its influence and control all the way down to the warm water ports of Iran and East through Pakistan. Then he can put his subs in particular and navy in general into deep water very quickly (look at the ocean bottom maps).

    Then, Russia will quickly dominate the world and all will bow to the splendo(u)r of the Mighty Emperor Vlad.

    This is what happens when Mums don’t give their baby boys enough titty.

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    spanows says:

    Flight Watch, you need to look up the meaning of ‘same’ and ‘similar': put those flights on a map showing critical area etc. MH17 was about 15Km north of previous MH17 and it appears only 1 (one) other flight in the last 48 hours had gone that route:

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    Champagne Socialist. says:

    The BBC….

    How else would we be educated on the benefits of the EU, immigration and the danger of global warming?

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    Timo says:

    Dead beat single mums. THANKS ALOT SCUMBAGS

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    Flight Watch says:

    The data is conclusive. 825 flights took the same air corridor since monday.
    15kms off track? You know nothing about air operations. That is nothing unusual.
    Stop making excuses for those responsible for yet another casual atrocity.

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    E L Whisty (Head Groundsman) says:

    Flight Watch is a Hunt. You do not get 15km off track in a busy European airways system. First, GPS, INS etc. as well as radio beacons mean that 1 or 2 km off track is seriously incompetent.

    In days gone by, airliners could be lured off track by false beacons (we called it Mekoning) but that should just not happen now with such capable navaids.

    The parties involved are trying desperately to confuse issues so that the people cannot see that this has been an evil and deliberate mass murder for political ends.

  130. 130
    The International Community says:

    “…those responsible for yet another casual atrocity.”

    Wait…..you know who was responsible? Please let the UN and all accident investigation authorities know.

    Meanwhile Capt. Sullenberger (who landed the plane in the Hudson river) is wondering what it was doing there too…


  131. 131
    spanows says:

    who said ‘off track’? Sounds like you don’t like people questioning your silliness and just because you call yourself flight watch doesn’t bestow on you any knowledge of flight operations. Do you know what a ‘corridor’ is?

    Do you know the difference between ‘region’ and corridor? Do you know the difference between ‘region’ and restricted airspace?

  132. 132
    spanows says:

    Aparentemente, de acuerdo con algunos de los comentarios, debe ser una especie de espía ruso, interesante tus mensajes del torre: al final quien fue los extranjeros quien llego?

  133. 133
    E L Whisty (Head Groundsman) says:

    That’s easy for you to say!

  134. 134
    Tim Yeo-Yo says:

    Ever heard of weather?

  135. 135
    E L Whisty (Head Groundsman) says:

    Yeah, I flew around in it for an hour or two. If I wanted to dodge a big cunimb I would choose a safer way round it and I would make a lot of fuss about it on RT.

    Be careful about using your professional expertise to support or protect ‘leaders’ with political ambition. They will always fuck you over (they do it for fun) and you will regret being loyal to arseholes.

  136. 136
    Stu says:

    Christ Chuck up is so slimy he makes a toad look dry.

  137. 137
    Stu says:

    Fuck me brain dead Ed’s involved I feel safer already.

  138. 138
    Stu says:

    + 1000

  139. 139
    Ockham's Razor says:

  140. 140
    Bob cuntface Crow says:

    When I turn BBC on there is a lot of black.

  141. 141
    Bob cuntface Crow says:

    Now that’s fucking music.Good to see that again.

  142. 142
    we own the poor says:

    can we start hanging these people form lamp posts yet?

  143. 143
    Bob cuntface Crow says:

    If it was un pc,less self righteous and unbiased in its agenda I doubt people would mind paying the tax but they are not ,so fuck off and when it happens and we see a proper cull of management,good luck to them getting employment in the real world.Wankers.

  144. 144
    Only chavs shop at Tesco says:

    Only chavs shop at Tesco.

  145. 145
    WTFingF says:

    He also shot it down to distract from the ethnic cleansing and mass murders by the chosen ones in Ga za happening right now..

  146. 146
    WTFingF says:

    Because they cowards and corrupt.
    Not a peep about the reality that the Izzies have just displaced 40, 000 and killed about 150 including numerous children, so far.

  147. 147
    Шпион, который пришел в из тепла says:

    Увы, бедный Йорик, он думал, что это был всего лишь торговая миссия. Я предупредил его, что было больше этому ремеслу не только торговые.

  148. 148
    Kathryn Blair says:

    “Murdoch shot down a plane full of researchers to prevent a cure for Aids?”

    Yes: to make sure his wife and Tony Blair will not be cured

  149. 149
    Diane Abbott says:


  150. 150
    Gheedough says:

    Why should poor people pay the same for a pint of beer as rich people do?
    Pubs should charge a price per pint proportional to the drinker’s salary.

    In fat everything should be priced in this way.

  151. 151
    Fred the pensioner says:

    Quite right. Be like me and thousands (if not millions) of others and just don’t pay it. Accidentally forget to go to the post office for a renewal. Lots of free advice on the net on how to tell Crapita’s goons to take a hike when they come knocking at your door.

  152. 152
    Fred the pensioner says:

    450,000 + 80,000 = 530,000
    530,000 / 145 = 3655

    So the subs of 3655 of those who pay this tax are just for his salary – rather than for watching what is actually being broadcast?

  153. 153
    Windrush skipper says:

    Down the pan, just after we docked > that way >>>>

  154. 154
    Fred the pensioner says:

    How much did Guido and the gang collect to sponsor this advert?

  155. 155
    Fred the pensioner says:

    If that is my starter for then, it is very easy:Labour Minister.

    He looks to have been one of the early victims of his mate Shirley’s ejercayshun policies.

  156. 156
    Fred the pensioner says:

    10, not then.

  157. 157
    Fred the pensioner says:

    Just like the health services do in just about every other country that I have been to – a number well into three figures.

  158. 158
    Fred the pensioner says:

    I suspect most of us would be much better off if Cameron’s job was indeed to sweep the country rather than trying to be a ‘world statesman’.

  159. 159
    Fred the pensioner says:

    It is clear you have confused ‘educated’ with ‘brain washed’, but some of us were educated properly before the witchy woman (cf The Eagles) got her paws on the education system.

  160. 160
    Fred the pensioner says:

    Sorry, there is a long queue of lawyers, peedoughs, socialists and politicians ahead of you.

  161. 161
    this blog lies says:

    James Heath sounds like a right winger.

    As a left winger I want rid of the telly tax/bbc as a public propaganda company.

  162. 162
    Anonymous says:

    “BBC Justifies Telly Poll Tax By Claiming Poor Watch More TV”
    If the poor plebs are to pay, for that over which they have no degree of control whatsoever. Isn’t that that essentially as unequitable, as the ersatz form of democracy they find themselves being misgoverned under? Perhaps, as might correct that unseemly power struggle waging betwixt police, press and politicians, a system of un-paid citizen governors should be installed. If only to act as whistleblowers, to the great uninformed unwashed.

  163. 163
    A Right Fucking Bastard says:

    Fuck off, you fucking pompous old cünt.

  164. 164
    A Right Fucking Bastard says:

    You really are a fucking tedious old cünt.

  165. 165
    A Right Fucking Bastard says:

    Personally I prefer the front wheels to the fucking insane fucking murderous sand nïgger scum, but that’s just me.

  166. 166
    Old Brock says:

    More like badgering than informing arn’t they?

  167. 167
    They Are a Pile of Self-Serving Shit says:

    This assessment is made by comparing a selection of right wingers with articulate lefties who CLAIM to represent and sympathise with chavvo scum who’s opinions and habits they know nothing of. The elitist lifestyle of these horny-handed sons of toil is as far as Parliament goes, the same as that of the Cabinet but their educational attainments are significantly lower.

    Umuna is a prime example, confusing Worcester and Wichita, because at base he can’t be bothered to learn about your stupid white country and its quaint ways.

    Miliband too, introduced to a tribal ritual in Darkest Britain attempts a ‘bacon butty’ for the cameras.

  168. 168
    Sad Really says:

    These are the people who made this country:



    Please indicate your preference.

  169. 169

    It is the end of days for the BBC

  170. 170
    Apparatchik Ed says:

    Typical knee-jerk reaction from Wooden Ed. A long range missile caused the tragedy, the question is who caused it to be fired. Who did Ed propose to carry out the investigation? What action did he recommend Parliament took?

    Would Wooden Ed as a possible future PM do anything significant if it transpired that it was Russian inspired?

  171. 171
    Corporate State says:

    BBC TV News is a government mouthpiece and Director General is a political appointment.
    Cameron and all governments shall bear this in mind.

  172. 172
    Peter Gervin says:


    Please like this page to end the BBC Licence Fee in the UK.

  173. 173
    Derrick says:

    Incredible to get socialist to work Had instances when they go to sleep if they believe they have done enough never mind those waiting for them to deliver. Standards go down income goes down

  174. 174
    Anonymous says:

    ‘ERe ‘ERe

    Cor blimey guvnor if it weren’t for the BBC we could only dream of Cliff Mitchelmore and Judith Charmers gadding abaat on them there Exotic ‘Olidays.
    We can’t afford the ski-in’ holidays and’ goin’ to Tenerifee one a year.

    Like Mr Atenborough and ‘is lions we’ll never get to meet one but wiv the magic of television it’s the next best thing.

    In the end we do ‘ave Graham Norton. Bless his little cotton socks.

    God bless you BBC.

    If you is the TV Licence man don’t knock there’s never no-one in.

    Honest Guv. ( doffs cap in deference to the State)

  175. 175
    Tel E. Caster says:

    These days you see less chavvy people in Aldi (yes, I’m being serious).

  176. 176
    BBC (British Bashing C**ts) says:

    The BBC secretly hates working-class people. The BBC are a bunch of pseudo, hypocritical, paedo-loving pro-socialists that also despise strong families, strong communities and patriots. They give honours to Jimmy Savile, Rolf Harris & Gary Glitter.

    I only watch the BBC to see babes like Sally Nugent, Julia Bradbury, Carol Kirkwood, Kate Silverton, Fiona Bruce & Susanna Reid.

    Apart from the women, the BBC does not have much to offer. They create pretentious short dramas with insecure characters that brainwash their viewers.

  177. 177
    BBC supports British Genocide says:

    BBC Language for beginners.

    “Uncontrolled mass immigration” translates “Multiculturalism”.

    “Ethnic Segregation or Divided Communities” translates “Diversity”.

    “White Flight” translates “Racists”.

    “Radical Islam, Forced Marriages, Honour Killings, bog standard comprehensive schools, crimes, misuse of taxpayers money or abuse of Human Rights Act” translates “blissful ignorance”.

    If the BBC love multiculturalism so much, why don’t they move their offices/headquarters to Tower Hamlets, Newham,Southall, Wembley, Slough or Birmingham (Ladywood, Lozells or Aston).

  178. 178
    Think Again says:

    After initial anger, I wondered how the attitudes of those raised on “benefit”came about. I suspect it was encouraged over many years by Blair and Brown Labour Governments soliciting votes by assuring useless chavs that they could lead a dignified life on benefit as an honourable alternative to work. Obesity and idleness were of necessity redefined as medical conditions in order to justify this lifestyle. Over 2000 adults in the UK are on disability benefit because they are too fat to work. Some have carers to shop for their daily diet of take-aways as they cannot/will not cook.

    In the words of the video Princess, “it’s their choice”. Unfortunately we are not given the choice to refuse to pay for her. Government are the guilty ones.

  179. 179
    Nigerians are liars, hypocrites, materialistic, obsessed with money, crooks & global druggies. says:

    Chuka Umunna’s face deserves to be on one particular BBC show, “Crimewatch UK”, as a mugshot.

  180. 180
    The Critic says:

    Blindingly obvious. Fuel costs money. Re-routing flights affects profit margins and will only be done as a last resort. Depends how some airlines define last resort. We now know what that definition is, in my opinion.

  181. 181
    The Critic says:

    FFS. why doesn’t he sell advertsing space on his suit like F1 drivers. Would save him a lot of work.

  182. 182
    The Critic says:

    The issue with the BBC is accountability,more than anything else.

    Many countries have a licence fee but don’t support broadcasters who want to compete with commercial providers. The Beeb needs slimming down to provide a simpler set of services. The same could eb said for the NHS.

  183. 183
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