July 10th, 2014

Campaigners Condemn Emergency Big Brother Powers

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The PM left his Lobby summer drinks party early last night to hammer out an agreement with rowing ministers over new emergency snooping legislation. This morning Cameron and Clegg announced that fast-track laws would be rushed through to allow spooks to keep snooping on our communications, after it was made illegal in the European courts. Civil liberties campaigners Big Brother Watch have condemned the move:

“It is a basic principle of a free society that you don’t monitor people who are not under suspicion. Considering the Snoopers Charter has already been rejected by the public as well as by the highest court in Europe, it is essential that the Government does not rush head first into creating new legislation.

The EU’s data retention laws privatised snooping, meaning companies were paid by governments to record what citizens were doing and retain that information for a year. We need to get back to a point where the police monitor people who are actually suspected of wrong doing and rather than wasting millions every year requiring data to be stored on an indiscriminate basis.”

Open Rights Group adds:

“The government knows that since the CJEU ruling, there is no legal basis for making internet service providers retain our data so it is using the threat of terrorism as an excuse for getting this law passed. The Government has had since April to address the CJEU ruling but it is only now that organisations such as ORG are threatening legal action that this has become an ‘emergency’. 

Not only will the proposed legislation infringe our right to privacy, it will also set a dangerous precedent where the government simply re-legislates every time it disagrees with a decision by the CJEU. The ruling still stands and these new plans may actually increase the amount of our personal data that is retained by ISPs, further infringing on our right to privacy. Blanket surveillance needs to end.”

No. 10 says the legislation will make life harder for terrorists, crooks and paedos. But it gives the state the power to access the phone and email data of everyone…


166 Comments

  1. 1
    Special Branch says:

    We need the data to generate click revenues for PIE

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    • 58
      hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiihooooooooooooooooooooooo says:

      Wouldn’t our limited resources be better spent trying to catch kiddy fiddlers and terrorists which are 100% out their rather than monitoring me trying to a buy a Makita RECIPROSAW LXT for the best possible price

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    • 77
      dai hacking says:

      UKIP’s view please – on something important for once

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    • 78
      It is a NO from me. says:

      It’s not just terrorism though (and that’s a movable feast), they are also tacking serious crime on the end. I’ve yet to see a set in stone definition of serious crime.

      The last time this happened the councils were able to use wheelie bins and school catchments as serious crime in order to spy their tax payers.

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    • 96
      The Growler says:

      And it came to pass, that Dave looked to his chums in the west and saw the NAS gathering all that lovely information and then he looked to the east where he had few friends, verily he did see that they snoop on their underlings so that they can be kept in check, he tried that before but his friends in Europeland told him not to do such things, and yea verily David said, I want the same snooping power in the east and west, so I will pass laws so that I can carry on snooping, seeing he had the backing of Cleggie and Mili, then he chillaxed and thought haven’t I done well!

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  2. 2
    Liar.Politicians says:

    LibLabCon bastards. Got their orders in Bilderberg.

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    • 41
      Tom Catesby says:

      Does this pantomime mean that, inevitably, The British gov’t will end up in bother with nanny Brussels again and more fat fees for our learned ‘friends’ in the european court?

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      • 51
        Whack-a-mole says:

        If they can do this why don’t they discard other useless EU diktats such as the climate change act.

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        • 81
          Zactly says:

          +1

          All EU laws, every one, can be ignored if the national security or the national interest is threatened. And they never use that clause

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        • 151
          Anonymous says:

          They only use the EU and the various European courts as a scapegoat to pass legislation which they know will be unpopular with the public. It also gives them the pretence to show they are on the people’s side….

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    • 104
      It's not a done deal ... yet says:

      MPs still need to cast their votes. We have a week to persuade them that if they want to get re-elected, they’d better not pass this bill.

      The ECJ ruling can be downloaded here:

      . http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/jcms/P_125951/

      (No 54/2014 : 8 April 2014
      Judgment of the Court of Justice in Joined Cases C-293/12, C-594/12
      Digital Rights Ireland
      The Court of Justice declares the Data Retention Directive to be invalid)

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      • 110
        Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

        UKIP must be rubbing their hands with glee at all the extra millions of votes they’ll get next May :-)

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  3. 3
    Sapailo says:

    olly olly oskins Free !

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  4. 4
    Lord Croker says:

    It will make life easier for terrorists, crooks and paedos in that sleazy sordid Westimster to cover their tracks.

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    • 46
      Tom Catesby says:

      Of course the telephone and internet companies could do a, ‘Sir Humphrey’ and claim the information has been,’lost, misplaced or destroyed’, just like the establishment sex pervert files. That’ll be alright then.

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      • 61
        Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

        Exactly.

        ISPs can say to the authorities that “the data you are requesting was lost in a server crash” :-)

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        • 166
          Cancer Bag says:

          Why leave it to your ISP? Make the decision yourself, encrypt all your outgoing internet traffic. Doesn’t cost anything and leaves GCHQ with piles of gibberish to read. Try googling Tor or i2p…

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      • 103
        The Growler says:

        Tom, do think if you or I had done something wrong and it was written down on a file, it would be disappeared like the paedo files, they would move heaven and earth to find it.

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  5. 5
    This was the point? says:

    But if you’ve nothing to hide….. Etc.

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    • 9
      Liar.Politicians says:

      If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear…….

      That’s why the UK government destroyed the evidence on a Parliament paedophile ring.

      That’s why the UK government destroyed evidence that they helped the USA with kidnap and torture.

      That’s why the UK government tried to destroy evidence that they helped supply chemicals that were used to create chemical weapons in Syria.

      That’s why the UK government is hiding reports on the impact of fracking.

      Nothing to hide? The government are the ones hiding.

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    • 10
      writeon says:

      I’m not bothered if they monitor me til the cows come home. 99.999%of this montoring has to be by computer looking for key items to trigger a human search as there are not enough people avialble to be able to monitor any other way

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      • 22
        Fishy says:

        I agree, but this legislation isn’t about key triggers. It is to trace contacts of known suspects and conspirators.

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        • 50
          Vote Tory, get unlimited immigration says:

          But.. suspects and conspirators will use Tor and Hushmail, all of which takes 5 minutes to set up, so they’re all off the hook. All the money being spent monitoring them is wasted (ut then Dave “HS2/foreign aid” Cameron just lurves wasting taxpayers’ money). It’s us mugs who will be snooped on, inevitably in the end by deadheads in the local council, not by MI5.

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          • Tom Catesby says:

            This council snooping should be stopped now this legislation is under discussion( it all automatically falls in 2016 anyway apparently then to be reviewed/renewed) I want that pack of wasters and f^cking incompetents down at my town hall, to learn to empty our dustbins properly and mend our street light, which has been reported and remains unrepaired for months and has encouraged a spate of vandalism and petty crime, not play at being a kind of municipal 007.

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        • 52
          Tom Catesby says:

          Should have thought that many of these potential terrorist monkeys are a bit cleverer than that any way, than to use traceable methods of communication. BTW, whats all the fuss about ‘spanking’ these naughty chaps who bugger off to Syria? Let them all f^ck off to Syria, just make sure they don’t come back!

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    • 26
      Kris Kristofferson says:

      “But if you’ve nothing to hide…..”

      Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose.

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      • 86
        Twampersand mk II says:

        We’ll put a camera in your bedroom then. And your toilet. You’ve got nothing to hide, afterall. Mind if I look through your wifes underwear drawer, you never know what she’s got in there? I will need to take some away though, evidence, you see?

        If the population accept a system of policing which basically considers the entire population to be probable criminals, once the idea of personal privacy being evidence of criminality is generally accepted, they will be ruined. They will become nothing more than livestock, monitored and farmed, for the benefit of of those doing the monitoring.

        There was a reason for the need for search warrants and judicially approved wire-taps.

        Remember 2 things.

        1. If you believe the current gov to be benign (and must be simply insane if you do) and therefore are willing to afford it vast, all encompassing powers of surveillance, because you believe it will do you no harm, is it not just possible that there may come to power, at some point in the future, a different gov, with different intents, that will abuse the enormous power given to it?

        2. We live in a representative democracy, allegedly. I can remember no clamour amongst the people, demanding of their MPs that they ennact new surveillance laws. There were no manifesto promises, from ANY of the big parties, EVER, saying they would permit 100,000s of camera to film you near 24 hrs a day. So how did it happen? These people are not our leaders, and we all should correct those who call them such and treat them such. They are our servants. They are there to ennact the will of the people, not their own mad ideas, or those of foreign money men. We have allowed them to call themselves world leaders for so long now, we have allowed them to behave like emperors for so long, we actually believe they have more power than that we permit them, that they really are our ‘rulers’. They are not, and need, sorely, to be reminded of this fact. As do we.

        Why shouldn’t I have things, conversations and communications with whomsoever I like, that are private? That used to be called ‘freedom’.

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        • 122
          Aunt Hilda says:

          nobody cares if you have conversations with whoever whenever you like ..
          but if you were a terrorist that information would probably be useful and the power to make that judgement vital.

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          • Twampersand mk II says:

            That’s fine, but only when the Gov don’t use terrorism legislation willy-nilly, like when they declared Iceland a terrorist state and when an 80 year old man was arrested using terrorism powers for calling Jack Straw a liar, which he was/is.

            Laws are already in place which permit wire-taps and the like, if a judge agrees that there is a reasonable suspicion of involvement in criminality.

            There is a famoous maxim about exchanging freedom for supposed safety.

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          • Great Granddad says:

            Aunty Hilda, you are now on their topmost list – you are forever marked as a follower of Guido. What could be a a stronger indication of a subversive disposition than that? They won’t be losing your dossier.

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    • 154
      Ein reich! Ein volk! Ein pommes mit mayo bitte! says:

      Make a habit of quoting Joseph Goebbels do you?

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  6. 6
    Fishy says:

    It’s not new legislation. It is legislation to return the country to the position that existed before bonkers European Judges thought that we were denying t’errorists the human right to blow us all up.

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    Nice to know you care says:

    This is now showing people that their is no difference between Liebour and Camorons Conservatives, we had similar when Liebour reigned, 90day etc, you only get the crap you vote for and the both political parties are showing how far down the sewer they are floating

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    • 74
      Winston says:

      Too right. So much of the Coalition legislation was proposed by Labour. The Tories even opposed some of it in opposition. We have One Govt. Stop voting for them and join the only free, democratic and independent party, UKIP.

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    M­a­­q­b­o­­ul says:

    So it’s OK for the state but not the press?

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    alf Qaeda says:

    yes snooping on our plans, er personal calls, is very bad

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    • 21
      Mitch says:

      You are engaged in criminal activity, which is already allowed to be monitored.

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      • 146
        Mycroft says:

        We all are!

        The reality is that almost all terrorism is arranged using the same media you are using in reading this post or on the ‘phone

        We are therefore unable to use the ‘Innocent until proven Guilty’ meme when using them.

        If you have no ‘phone or internet access then you can use that defence.

        The law is slowly reflecting this change of a States trust in you, the law in some instances already considers you guilty and you have to prove your innocence.

        If you lock out your computer with a dead-crypt password and you refuse to unlock it for them to take a look at what you have been doing then you can and will get 6 months inside and then brought back to court after the 6 months for another 6 months ad infinitum, there is at least 1 publicly known person in this situation today, right now, serving time.

        If you look on the unrestricted net the number is about 10.

        You and me are participating in a known form of ‘assembly’ that engenders terrorism.

        When printing became cheap and easy to make and disseminate the State was in a panic for decades, this is the 21st century version of that self-same panic.

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        • 156
          I've just invented an App that can read people's minds! says:

          Guess what? When I’ve finished, there’ll be plenty of Westminster douchbags behind bars. In fact, when I’ve completed it, I’m going to sit back and buy a shed-load of shares in Prisons. You’re going to need a lot more!

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  10. 12
    Janner says:

    Result!

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  11. 13
    Kim Philby says:

    Granting access to this date for MI5 or the Police is one thing, but councils, quangos and charities? Technology has moved forward in many ways that would astonish the man/woman on the street, but the lack of discussion or explaination by the government is worrying.

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  12. 14
    Snoop Snoop says:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28237108

    If you write to your MP asking how to get rid of criminals from the House of Lords, you get a polite reply from Bent Rod via said MP saying it can’t be done, as this would require change of law!!!!!!!!!

    Curiouser and curiouser then that SOME laws can be passed in a WEEK

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    • 33
      Hugh Janus says:

      “Curiouser and curiouser then that SOME laws can be passed in a WEEK”

      This is how bad law is created.

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  13. 15
    Zool says:

    Welcome to Dave’s new Nazi empire, As we have already seen from Edward Snowden they will abuse this power & use it to spy on ordinary people. VOTE UKIP

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  14. 16
    non taxable pikey says:

    A lot of this monitoring is by computer looking for key words, phrases etc. So, if you don’t like the idea of being snooped on may I suggest that for one week everyone includes a few key words, phrases etc in emails, blogs, social media, texts and phone calls. In other words let’s completely overload their systems.

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    • 59
      The all seeing eye says:

      Another way to really piss off the surveillers is to encrypt your shopping lists. As everything that is encrypted is considered suspect and therefore subject to decryption they will get hacked off finding out that it’s 2 pints of full fat, a packet of fishfingers and something for the cat.
      Seriously, the State is wrong to subject it’s citizens who are 99.99% innocent to highly intrusive surveillance and record keeping. It has nothing to do with having nothing to fear unless you are engaged in unlawful activity; the reverse is the case that we have the right not to be under scrutiny ever!

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    • 134
      Mycroft says:

      This document shows the words in combination you would!

      http://order-order.com/2014/07/10/campaigners-condemn-emergency-big-brother-powers/#comments##

      It’s the CIAs list so contains ‘Americanisms’ and some that don’t apply to us.

      Pick 5 from the list and do it a couple of times and you will be “ping’d”.

      For example there are a few words on that comprehensive list (due to the nature of this site) that I could type in this post that could cause an immediate alert.

      But posting the link above is a form of inoculation, so if I had not provided the link and then innocently (as if!) asked on here “We should all press on with our 2600 and phreak them off our backs” all hell breaks lose.

      This site (O-O) uses the same simple tech to either edit or remove automatically a posting.

      So now you know.

      I’ve been around since year dot and on the net from it’s inception, information is power, there are new words, really important ones for twitter as that service IS used by many who want to bring down a state or terrorise the population. I won’t include any of them here (or anywhere else for that matter) as using them means a lot of work discovering the new ones used in their place. They change constantly and it’s a struggle for the state to keep up and having a comprehensive and broadbrush monitoring allows the state to keep up.

      So THAT principle is an honourable one, the people (us) need to ask if that is wanted and necessary.

      But.

      It can and will be used to stop mass public dissent should say we all consider and mobilise against (say) a decision that there was no cover-up in Parliament, Childrens Homes and Similar.

      The State can mount a devastating DDOS attack on individuals enmasse and has an arrangement to deny newly activated PAYG in emergencies, basically removing a mass revolts means of communications.

      So your phone doesn’t work (except 999) your computer tagged and your link to the net stopped and the tag (CUSP program) stops you pirating into the net and you can’t buy a new phone that will access a service. For the average person who is suddenly very unhappy and wants to mobilise with others to protest this is enough to quell trouble at source.

      No ‘Arabian Spring’ type revolt is possible here. The US can do the same in Europe, courtesy of the NSA.

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      • 153
        Mycroft says:

        …and right on cue the German nation has chucked out an NSA operative after they looked into the NSAs activities right across Europe.

        The NSA is now having huge difficulties with the EU portals, each now need a call reference. France has done the same and as a result the law requires EU unification on Portal Control.

        The NSA are now desperate to keep snooping around, so that is the real underlying reason for both this sudden need and the US’s desire (necessity) for us to stay within the EU.

        We share many Portals, so we are leaking info to the US about EU business through the back door.

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      • 157
        Sex Shop Owner says:

        So if I’m selling Blow Up Dolls, am I going to get GCHQ on my case?

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  15. 17
    Max says:

    Should I get the pie out the freezer for tea x

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  16. 18
    Als-Keebabs says:

    It’s the ordinary folk who suffer, you won’t stop us in the relentless drive for an English caliphate!

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    Nice to know you care says:

    If they need these laws then whoever is going to do things are already in the country, then we should already know who is or has passed our borders to do us harm, protect our borders and check on who wants to come here and why, we already have thousands of laws enacted by Liebour , laws require people to make sure they are not broken, what are we going to do is the government going to employ 60million people to keep watch on each other, I thought I voted for a Conservative in 2010 it appears I have voted for a communist, 2015 I will make sure I check on who I vote for.

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  19. 25

    10/1 On GCHQ are doing this already. They just need to make it “legal”

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  20. 27

    All this is because they are so afraid of the ‘racist’ screams they have to pretend to put us all under suspicion , by diluting the security efforts across they whole population the real perpetrators get an easy ride .
    It is the same lunacy that forces five year old children and pensioners to undergo a body search at the airports, at the same time that burka wearing women are waved through with barely a glance.
    If they are prepared to defy the European courts on this ,then why not on other issues?

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  21. 28
    P l e b says:

    “Cameron attacked the low turnout thresholds ”

    I’m with you all the way Dave!!!!!

    Let’s begin by nullifying the posts of Police and Crime Commissioners, then move on to Local Councillors and MEPs.

    In the mean-time we can set a high threshold for General Elections.

    If 90%+ do not turn out, we rerun the election…again and again until they do

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    • 43
      Nice to know you care says:

      Voting for Police Commissioners was a fkin joke, if you live in an area where a turd with a red rosette will get the vote it’s Liebour, your vote is wasted if you want to vote for another party, no chance, even going in to vote I had a moan telling the people in the place who will win, you could tell by the looks they must have heard the same thing a hundred times that day.

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    • 68
      Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

      It must be humiliating for the Unions to get a turnout for strike action (27%) lower than the EU elections (34%). :-)

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    • 159
      Necrophiliac Dating Agency-Just Where Do They Did These People Up From? says:

      Exactly. And just how much of the Electorate voted for either Labour, the Libdems or the Conservatives? I think you’ll find that NONE of the Parties managed even 15%, yet suddenly that’s enough to give them a ‘Mandate’. 2 things. Why bother being in a Union, Club, Party, etc if you cannot even be bothered to vote? Secondly, we could always go the Aussie way and make voting compulsory (but if they did that, with Full PR too, be prepared for the first Monster Raving Loony Party MP!) :)

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  22. 29
    Anonymous says:

    All these shots of Dave looking relaxed can mean only one thing. The brickets are hitting the fan blades in very large sizes.

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  23. 31
    Spooky says:

    Rest assured that Clegg and Camerons communications will be well monitored

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  24. 32
    GCHQ - The Brains Behind The NSA says:

    Nice photo, Hurrah for the Black Shirts!

    People need to be snooped on, unlike politicians they simply can’t be trusted!

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  25. 40
    Spoonface Dave looks more like an inbred toff every day says:

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  26. 42
    Anonymous says:

    Does this mean that the Mobile companies need to rewrite their contracts? because this wasn’t in the original contract?

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  27. 44

    The politicians demand a level of privacy that the population cannot have?

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  28. 45
    Harriet the Hypocrite says:

    Buler-Sloss is questionable because her brother was at one time the attorney general. However I can be shadow deputy prime minister yet I supported PIE. What a strange moral compass this country has!!

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  29. 47
    Ockham's Razor says:
    
    

    Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin in the Pennsylvania Assembly.

    Whether attributed or not is immaterial. It is true. Take away the words “a little”. It is still true!

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    • 63
      Cardinal Biggles says:

      Couldn’t agree more.

      However, as you undoubtedly know, the vast bulk of the population won’t give it a second thought. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear and all that.

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      • 79
        Ockham's Razor says:

        As long as they don’t then ask me to contribute to the cost of their stupidity, when the scales finally fall from their eyes, then I don’t mind – even if I am still left unhappy about it.

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  30. 48
    I Roger Boys MP says:

    Fuck off Cameron you waster !

    Nice of the lazy council bin men to drop me a note saying that due to them being on strike , my bins will not be emptied today

    However the good news is that my lefty council will let them work saturday and sunday to catch up , on time and a half and double time no doubt

    and all Spoon Face is bothered about is snooping on our phone calls , sooner him and that vile Clegg are consigned to history the better

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  31. 49
    I Roger Boys MP says:

    That picture should be this weeks caption contest “Dave does another selfie ”

    Does my face look big in this ?

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  32. 53

    So it’s back to wriing letters!

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    • 102
      Luddite, not fooled says:

      …You do not really exist, but Europe spent billions looking for you, and then, tried to convince us that you had been found,…utter load of twaddle, jobs for the non -productive boys and girls, who could never earn a living in the real world!

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  33. 54
    Peter Grimes says:

    FATWATson on All Beeb this morning complaining about these measures agreed on by party leaders behind closed doors. He was happy for some of the party leaders to meet behind closed doors with the coke sniffing, whore paying members of Hacked Off though!

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  34. 56
    Vote Tory, get unlimited immigration says:

    “Considering the Snoopers Charter has already been rejected by the public as well as by the highest court in Europe” – Big Brother Watch.

    It was also rejected by Cameron and his coterie of faux-Tories, and indeed they promised to scrap it – but then that was before the general election in 2010. Once the little weasel had got himself (just) into Number 10, all his promises went in the bin.

    Vote UKIP.

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  35. 60
    Reincarnation Works says:

    Bloody hell, that nose, those striking features, that uniform, I knew I’d seen him somewhere before,

    Hurrah for Youtube

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    • 64
      Reincarnation Works says:

      Although…. I have to say that it is rather odd that if you look at this and almost any footage of the best known fascists they all do appear extremely camp in their mannerisms.

      One of my personal favourites of course is Mandleson.

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  36. 65

    GAYS DO NOT DISCRIMINATE !

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    • 71
      Nice to know you care says:

      Why are they robots?, why do they keep putting those on those signs when they march they are just human beings, human beings discriminate, it’s human nature.

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  37. 66

    They tell me the dustbin men are on strike ,has anyone noticed ?

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    • 85
      Nice to know you care says:

      Our Council contracted the bins out to a company, hail, rain, snow, strikes they still show up and yes they are working today, I always felt council services were cheaper when run by the council, but when most of the services were taken over by the County council and like buses and transport sold off , you would have thought the council rates would have fallen but 13 years of Liebour they just shot up, strangely enough so did council debt.

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      • 112
        non taxable pikey says:

        Strange thing is although our Council has contracted out just about everything (my bins got emptied today) the number of employees in the Council Office down the road just keeps increasing, so much so that they have run out of parking spaces for them all and are considiering using green belt land for a Council Workers Car Park.

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    • 89
      Nice Weather we're 'avin says:

      My half full green bin probably will not get emptied today so I will have the massive inconvenience of putting it back till next collection time when it may be full for a change.

      Are the BBC going on strike? I like it when they do…we get normal news readers who do a bettet job.

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  38. 67
    Lord Justice Turkeyforahat says:

    Hear Hear, well said you wonderful lady, they, unlike our kind would never have achieved such greatness in their miserable lives.

    Move along, next enquiry please.

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  39. 72
    Anonymous says:

    “Big Brother Powers”
    Isn’t recent use of special ‘law’ to secure suspect convictions, a return to the birth of unions? Where the Tolpuddle accused were charged with involvement in a secret society. Until it was pointed out that the King was a member of the Free Masons. Now a new ‘legal’ single edged sword has been drawn from the stone, and used to eviscerate the common folk. While those in power, aiding and abetting continuing fraud perpetrated by banksters, are above reproach.
    p.s. Permit the establishment to investigate the establishment, rather than letting the abused elect a champion to conduct an inquiry, and see what happens. A hint may form the second part of the word ‘patriot’.

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  40. 75
    All politicans are perverts says:

    Here’s a bit of code for Dave and his creepy friends to decode: dsa hyf jns oka I’ll give you them a clue dsa = C and oka = T

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  41. 79
    Gerry Adams says:

    We didn’t have the internet in our day.

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    Incapable Vince, deputy Chief Cockroach says:

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    Anyone with a minimum of intelligence must know that all forms of electronic communication are recorded, noted, analysed and maybe used against us. Most of us say nothing to hide. let ‘em snoop ‘n snoop. BUT if it prevents just one terrorist attack in a European City, it must be worth it.

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  44. 84
    Cinna says:

    Quite so. Thanks for that. You’ve just saved the taxpayer millions.

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  45. 90
    Tom Driberg ( LABOUR MP ) says:

    I completely concur.

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  46. 91
    Frank says:

    To be frank. I don’t trust the fuckers.

    And vou can be sure that they will not reverse this law in times of lower threats of terrorism.

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  47. 95
    Nothing Better To Do says:

    So much for democracy. This looks more like Fascism.

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  48. 98
    Anonymous says:

    The proposed laws will not permit access to content of communications, only that communication was made.

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  49. 99
    Spooky says:

    Just overheard Janner on the phone. Evidently he’s pleading dementia and wont be charged. Nice one.

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  50. 107
    Nice to know you care says:

    Tell them pair to tossers now lieing their heads of on tv, NO NO NO NO, can you understand the word NO, if not get one of the many creeps/spads/yes people you employ with our forced taxes to explain NO.

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  51. 108
    Andy Burn em says:

    We could do with a few dozen kiddy victims from Liverpool. Then we would have a real enquiry.

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  52. 114

    Only so much communication can be stored , all systems reach a maximum capacity , the phone companies would not have been prepared for recording on such a scale.
    Instead of spying on everybody why not target the real suspects .

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    • 123
      Hamish says:

      Nonsense, the capacity of digital storage continues to expand without apparent limit.
      I can store the tax details of every UK citizen on a device the size of a key-fob, and for all you know I do.

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  53. 115
    OUT DAVE OUT DAVE OUT DAVE OUT DAVE OUT says:

    FUCKING CONLIBLAB STASI

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  54. 116
    Handycock says:

    Anyone listening to my phone calls will need counselling. Still hiding out in the Priory but the
    salary cheque from taxpayer keeps rolling in.

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  55. 117
    Suspicious says:

    Those who need to worry most about this insidious legislation are opposition politicians and their staffs as well as key witnesses in enquiries into Parliamentary abuses. This could be an invaluable tool, if contents of the communications are included, for the anticipation of their election strategies, sources of funding, for generating smears etc.

    This may not be necessary since Prat Miliband is Leader of the Opposition but may be handy in the future.

    I think that it has been illegal for some time to email coded material such as strings of numbers so that messages are not readable.

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  56. 119
    Jimmy says:

    “But it gives the state the power to access the phone and email data of everyone…”

    And the only person who should be doing that is Rupert Murdoch.

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  57. 120
    Anonymous says:

    Did the Macmillans attend the wedding?

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  58. 121
    Maimed Codger says:

    Sounds like a knee jerk reaction publicity stunt… no one seems to be asking why it has been allowed to get to this state in the first place… other countries are a little more forward looking then us…by failing to act, this Government are placing the Population at risk…

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    • 129
      Fishy says:

      Other countries haven’t got a problem because they introduced their intercept law via primary legislation. Labour used secondary legislation to put the law in place. This has now fallen over.

      Tom Watson is against the draft bill i.e. the status quo…everyone can use his objection to assure themselves that the government is right.

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      • 138
        Aunt Hilda says:

        fat f’uck was just blustering his objections through daily politics on the beeb …
        but couldn’t resist mentioning his patriotic duties in the past .. creep socialist slimeball

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    • 144
      Cynical Sam says:

      Maybe the hurry is about intercepting the communications of all the PDO victims to their lawyers so that they can be silenced before they can give evidence.

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  59. 132
    Sir Nob Skelpoff says:

    Is Fudd Face Cameron afraid of a torch lit procession on the Houses of Parliament a la Frankenstein to hunt out the peedoze and their enablers????

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  60. 133
    cheche says:

    sky keeps showing people on strike without people

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  61. 135
    David B says:

    The problem is how anti terrorist legislation has been used in the past by government to check up on what we do.

    The obvious contender is Tax Avoidance which is now seen as a moral issue, even if it’s legal. What’s stopping HMRC monitoring the telephone and email records of tax advisors to try and clamp down on a legal activity!

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    • 139
      confused..... says:

      if they are investigating someone or something are they not allowed to do that now ?

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  62. 141
    So Mind your own business says:

    I am not terrorist, I am not a pedofile and I am not a criminal. So fuck off and mind your own business.

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  63. 142
    Mind your own business. says:

    I am NOT a tèrrôrïßt, or a p3dofile and I am not a criminal. So the government can fuck off out my business. I will never support a government that abuses people’s rights under any terms.

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  64. 143
    DerrIn Brown: Inhuman says:

    Ha! Ha! I can abuse people’s rights and the government, the media and human rights organizations turn a blind eye to it, especially if they can profit from my abuses. Hope the police do not question my parents as they have a duty to protect the most vulnerable in society from an abusive creep like me.

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  65. 147
    Taxfodder says:

    Utter utter bollocks…any would be terrorist will/would use an alternative method of communication …there are many!

    Also classify terrorist…(that I guess would that be anybody who hates the work shy greedy clueless establishment fag end political classes).

    Guess we are all terrorists then!

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  67. 150
    Mavid Dilliband says:

    If you treat me like a criminal…

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  68. 152
    SS says:

    They can snoop all they want, but it will do them no good.
    The best thing the government could do is give people the right to self defence.
    P.S. the bomb goes off at 6:15

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  69. 161
    stewilko says:

    Reblogged this on stewilko's Blog.

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  70. 162
    Mycroft says:

    An invite to Wanda’s Sapphic parties were much coveted back in the day.

    KitKat shuffling on every couch.

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