July 1st, 2014

Reeves Denies Benefits Reversal Boast to Commons
Tape Suggests Otherwise…

Regular readers will remember that Rachel Reeves told a meeting of ‘Christians on the Left’  that:

‘It will be much better if we can say that all of the changes that the Government have introduced we can reverse and all benefits can be universal.’

After Guido reported the comment back in March, Reeves went out of her way not to deny the quote when it was raised in the Commons by Mark Harper. Yesterday, during an exchange with IDS, she changed tact and flatly denied ever saying it:

IDS: A little while ago, in March, she is recorded as having said that, left to her, “all the changes that the Government has introduced” in welfare reform would be reversed “and all benefits” could be and should be “universal”. She has been asked this question before. It was a quote. I will give way to her if she wants to deny it.

Rachel Reeves indicated dissent.

IDS: There we have it—we now know what the policy is.

RR: The right hon. Gentleman did not read out a quote and I deny what he said.

IDS: I have to say to the hon. Lady that it is reported that she said that “all changes that the Government has introduced” in welfare could be reversed and “all benefits can be universal”. That is what she is quoted as saying. I will send her the quote if she likes. This is important.

RR: As I said, what the right hon. Gentleman read out is not a quote of what I said and I deny that that is my view.

Well guess what? There’s a tape, Rachel. Watch the video above to hear Rachel say the exact quote. She told the house she did not say it would be better if all benefits were universal, when she clearly did. Labour should realise there is always a tape these days.


187 Comments

  1. 1
    Err says:

    Tac or tact??

  2. 2
    Barbecue sauce says:

  3. 3
    BBC News Editor says:

    We are in shock.

  4. 4
    Fred the pensioner says:

    An ideal position for wimmin’s libbers to be waving placards and banners about. The women of this country need a new suffragettes movement to help this along.

  5. 5
    Pitkapoika says:

    Attemting To Mislead Parliament and/or a bloody liar.

  6. 6
    mantex says:

    You change ‘Tack’ – I think it’s a yatching metaphor.

  7. 7
    Andrew Efiong says:

    Aha, she’s been flushed out and is on the run now!

    Lying again and again in parliament is a serious thing and she must resign now.

    We can see Labour’s mask slipping, they say one thing in public but among their friends they admit they’re planning a massive welfare spending spree.

  8. 8
    Fawke Handles says:

    I disagree – wearing the niqab should be made compulsory for all those fuck-ugly labtard women like Reeves, Flint, Harman, Ashton and those Eagle brothers.

  9. 9
    comment says:

    I inherit life when I am born.
    This Sam is in Sam wood.

    Next comment would be from I am a new comment.

  10. 10
    Lee Bearall says:

    Why should The State rule on the clothes you wear?

    If I want to wear a veil, curtain or shellsuit it’s my choice, not The State.

  11. 11
    Anonymous says:

    She should seek advice from Chuckie on porkie reversal.

  12. 12
    Rolf Harris says:

    you aren’t wrong, there is always a tape, i’ve a whole cupboard of them hidden away, Jimmy and Rolf’s home movies

    but its ok Harriett Harperson said its fine

  13. 13
    The Admiral says:

    Gotcha!

  14. 14
    Anonymous says:

    Guido conveniently overlooking Reeves’ use of the word ‘if’.

  15. 15
    Tachybaptus says:

    Or, of course, nothing. Or is that the point of your moniker?

  16. 16
    Four-eyed English Genius says:

    A socialist telling porkies. Who would have thought it?

  17. 17
    Anonymous says:

    don’t get your point Guido, I am no defender of Reeves but she said “it would be better if we could say …” not ““all the changes that the Government has introduced” in welfare reform would be reversed “and all benefits” could be and should be “universal”. ”

    There is an important difference.

  18. 18
    Tachybaptus says:

    Not in this case. ‘It would be much better if we could …’ means exactly the same, in fewer words, as ‘It would be much better that we should be able to …’.

  19. 19
    Pedantic & Irritable Sod says:

    or even tack

  20. 20
    M­a­­q­b­o­­ul says:

    It’s not a tape we need for these bastards but a ROPE…. aahaarggh!

  21. 21
    jimbo says:

    It used to be good on here…..then he took the murdoch gold and sucked the corporate cock

  22. 22

    As much as don’t want to defend her, your (Guido’s) attack on her is really duplicitous.
    You changed the conditional “It WOULD be much better if we COULD say…” into “It WILL be much better if we CAN say…” when you write up the quote. That’s pretty shoddy journalism.
    The quote in the recording is also abruptly cut off, so we have no chance to hear what followed. After the conditional “would” it’s quite likely we’d get a “but”.

    Really shoddy hatchet job. Yes, there’s always the tape nowadays, Mr. Fawkes, and some of your readers will actually listen to it and realise they’ve been misled.

  23. 23
    Sailor Sam says:

    Tick!

  24. 24
  25. 25
    Toxic Labour for Spongers, Scroungers, Parasites, Criminals, Layabouts & other Wasters says:

    Tacky! These thieving Labour scum will steal all our money if they get into power. Get ready to hide your cash.

  26. 26
    Zew Tallors says:

    “French” should be in inverted commas, as the word here illustrates.

  27. 27
    Jen The Blue says:

    To be fair to Ms Reeves, she isn’t exactly blessed in the brain department….she may have just forgotten she said it.

  28. 28
    selroberts says:

    So if I want to walk into a bank/building society etc., with my face covered in, say, a motorcycle helmet that’s OK, – yeah?

  29. 29
    Not sure says:

    I don’t understand your monika. Are you for the EU or against it?

  30. 30
    Dredd says:

    The state can make you wear a seat belt, it can make you not wear a mask. Mozware falls into that sort of category.

  31. 31
    Sailor Sam says:

    Yachting.

  32. 32
    Anonymous says:

    Tell you what, go into a bank wearing a mask and see how long it takes them to press the panic button. Wear a niqab on a bus while carrying a rucksack and see how many people jump off. I couldn’t give a toss about your ‘rights’, I care about my family’s safety.

  33. 33
    Anonymous says:

    or she needs her tack changed, her mouth looks used to a bit.

  34. 34
    Mr Roy says:

    Another lying shitbag. Why is anyone surprised.

  35. 35
    Anonymous says:

    OK. ‘Bye.

  36. 36
    Lard Rennard says:

    I love the smell of smoking panties in the morning

  37. 37
    Morgan's Organ says:

    They love to treat us as idiots! Rachel Reeves you are one monumental lying prat!

  38. 38
    Worse than Shoddy says:

    There is either a but or there ain’t. “Quite likely” is pure speculation.

  39. 39
    Noz Dalgia says:

    It used to be good ‘ere until all the clockwork anti-Murdoch robots started coming on here whining like pussies every fucking day.

  40. 40
    Anonymous says:

    Another scalp for Guido’s trophy cabinet!

    Another Labour lie exposed.

  41. 41
    Muzbot says:

    Covering your face isn’t clothing but a disguise.

  42. 42
    DUncan Shite not good enough says:

    Is this the best anyone can come up with to show Duncan Shite in some good light?

  43. 43
    Vote Dave? Get stuffed says:

    She was probably sleep talking.

  44. 44
    Huge Grunt, Coogan's Bluff, Leveson & The Luvvies says:

    We are too!

    Who could have predicted that controlling the press would allow rich people to fuck other people over and get away with it?

  45. 45
    John Bellingham says:

    Any chance of a typescript fopr those of us without sound

  46. 46
    Ippikin says:

    Why should we be surprised to learn that this lady is a liar?

  47. 47

    Wrong question: Don’t fall into the pan-Europa trap of divide and rule.

    Check Bio on blog etc.

    Vote UKIP :-D

  48. 48
    Ippikin says:

    High time we banned it too.

  49. 49
    Muzbot says:

    Reversal of benefits changes wouldn’t be up to her anyways as she wouldn’t be the leader. Only Red Len could make that call.

  50. 50
    Ian Drunken Shit says:

    Lordy – we are reduced to taking inaccurate quotes out of context. Did RR refuse to give Guido a BJ or something? I wouldn’t blame her – fat bastard.

  51. 51
    Ippikin says:

    Haddock or Mackerel?

  52. 52
    Mustafa Suwisid says:

    Tick Tock, Tick Tock, infidel

  53. 53
    Ippikin says:

    Both of course.

  54. 54
    Bosun Higgs says:

    France aligns itself with North Korea on this issue.

  55. 55
    Politicians Don't Fib says:

    I am astonished that anyone could possibility accuse an elected Member of being economical with the truth.

  56. 56
    Tim Yeo-Yo says:

    How can anyone in the Labour Party think anyone this stupid is worthy of a shadow position.

    She’s thick as fuck!

  57. 57
    Ippikin says:

    Not sure I would agree with that, but the ‘edge’ has certainly gone.

  58. 58
    Jean-Claude Juncker says:

    Oh God. Oh please let me die. The light does me harm. I hope I didn’t do anything stupid last night. I need a drink.

  59. 59
    Ippikin says:

    So you want a Labour government and the certainlty of staying in the EU?
    Bit of a double standard coming on I feel.

  60. 60
    Graham says:

    If a shadow minister lies in the chamber then the Speaker should take action against that person.

  61. 61
    Ippikin says:

    I was brought up to believe that removal of the head and a wooden stake through the heart was the best hangover cure.

  62. 62
    Boot out the Conservative led coalition in 2015 says:

    Gov’t skewers less well off as basic standard of living collapses with 46% rise in prices:

    http://4bitnews.com/uk/govt-skewers-less-well-basic-standard-living-collapses-46-rise/

  63. 63
    Jimmy says:

    I’m not convinced the people here are fluent English speakers.

  64. 64
    Peter Thompson says:

    There was clearly a but coming at the end of that recording. It starts of with “It would be better if we could.” It finishes very abruptly. Do you have the next 10 seconds? There is always a tape these days.

  65. 65

    Now, I did not say that :-)

    Vote UKIP – Get Lots of UKIP :-D

  66. 66
    Rachelzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz says:

    I said that before I had my makeover, so I deny it all, utterly, utterly, utterly.

  67. 67

    What’s not up for speculation is that Guido has already misquoted here, in a seemingly deliberate way, and that the audio cuts off abruptly before the follow on.

    If it’s really that damaging then play the whole thing in context and quote it properly instead of changing words that have a fundamental impact on the meaning.

    Without the full context here, there’s sadly no case against Rachel Reeves. The clear implication of an “it would be much better if we could say” is that they CAN’T say it for whatever reason.

    This isn’t pure speculation. It’s an understanding of how the English language is accustomed to work when used correctly.

  68. 68
    john mackie says:

    In her dissembling mind, it depends on what the word ‘quotation’ means. Obviously a meaning quite different to her than to IDS.

    Lying hebe bitch.

  69. 69
    Ed says:

    Somewhat thicker than fuck imho. But she’s a woman and I have to maintain my quota.

  70. 70
    john mackie says:

    I’d still prefer to fcuk Luciana Berger. In the arse. Hard.

  71. 71
    Common sense says:

    Try walking around outside a school at home time, dressed in completely see-through clothing – clothing of your choice of course. See how long you last. No you DON’T have the automatic right to “wear what you like”. Or wear a tee-shirt with a huge swastika and a slogan stating “I hate J**s.

  72. 72
    Wachell weaves, dives and ducks says:

    So she did say it yet she stands in the house and states she did not. She lied…in the house to all. She must apologise for misleading the commons and i earlcerly await the constant playing of he words in the commons and the tape on every single news broadcast for the next 3 months

  73. 73
    Rolf says:

    Can I paint your portrait in the nuddy you little minx?
    If anyone interrupts then I’ll put my shorts back on straightaway.

  74. 74
    Should not have wasted all that time at school and kept voting Labour then says:

    What they ain’t got no X box n’stuff or are they just too fick to get a fucking job?

  75. 75
    FCIPH says:

    What is Labour man Mr Lenny McCluckey saying this afternoon

    More champagne shitheads and some crisp for the dog

  76. 76
    Bosun Higgs says:

    There is no such thing as a universal benefit. It must harm somebody – e.g. the people who have to pay for it.

  77. 77
    Anonymous says:

    Well you’d need to be fluent yourself to be convinced either way.

  78. 78
    Little Old Lady from Tooting Beck says:

    PErhaps MS Reeves misspoke (past tense) or misspeaks (present tense) or alternatively

    she is just another left wing lying fucking scumbag.

  79. 79
    All but 2 of the leaders of EUropean countries says:

    We always do in public what we say in private

  80. 80
    SIZE 15 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    With a splintering broom handle .

  81. 81
    i think says:

    Reeves is another weird Labour automaton
    like her boss.

  82. 82
    Bleedin' obvious says:

    you may be on to something there.

  83. 83
    Twampersand mk II says:

    The Swastika is not banned. Just not a good idea to wear it.

    The issue, for me at least, is not whether a particular item of clothing is forbidden. It is whether or not we will allow an invading force to parade in the street in a uniform, a uniform identified by many as a symbol of oppression, of subjugation and of death.

    I don’t give a shit about moo slim rights. In fact, a good rule of thumb is if a moo slim thinks something is good, it is not, and vice versa.

    Integration is supposed to be a key part of immigration. The Chin ese don’t strut around in conical straw hats, the J aps don’t wear Ninja gear, the Fre nch don@t have onions around their necks.

    If you don’t like it, piss off back to whatever war-zone Hayrab shit hole you came from. And take your libtard supporters with you.

  84. 84

    I think Guido knows he’s selling us a wrong’un this time. The by-line says “Tape SUGGESTS otherwise”; rather than, say, “DEMONSTRATES” or “PROVES”.

    You shouldn’t just selectively quote from something in the conditional.
    “I would vote for Ed Miliband if the only alternative were Ed Balls.”
    “I would vote for Ed Miliband but I have a conscience and a functioning brain.”
    “I would vote for Ed Miliband to win a bush tucker trial, as he’d probably prefer the grubs and testicles to the bacon sarnies his entourage feed him”

    These are all very different things from quoting me as saying, “I will vote for Ed Miliband.”

  85. 85
    Fuckwit spotter says:

    Odd when its a labour its out of context when its a Tories they are right wing extremist baby eaters who definitely said it how it was meant

    Twat

  86. 86
    Bleedin' obvious says:

    Not a lot of talent for them to choose from

  87. 87
    Fuckwit spotter says:

    Get Labours and lost of grief and no escape from the EU

  88. 88
    Fuckwit spotter says:

    Any chance of a transcript of mavericks post for the more intelligent amongst us as it makes no sense

  89. 89

    Gottcha Rachel talkies not porkies. Even Leftie Christians tell ‘em.

  90. 90
    Fuckwit spotter says:

    Reeves to House yest: I didn’t say universal benefits better. Reeves on tape: it would better if benefits universal http://bit.ly/1rbfqjY
    Retweeted by Guido Fawkes

  91. 91
    Fuckwit spotter says:

    Reeves to House yest: I didn’t say universal benefits better. Reeves on tape: it would better if benefits universal http://bit.ly/1rbfqjY
    Retweeted by Guido Fawkes

  92. 92
    Fuckwit spotter says:

    Reeves to House yest: I didn’t say universal benefits better. Reeves on tape: it would better if benefits universal http://bit.ly/1rbfqjY
    Retweeted by Guido Fawkes

  93. 93
    Bercow protecting Labour says:

    Sorry can’t here you can’t her you lalala la lalal a lala

  94. 94
    Tim Yeo-Yo says:

    Fuck me! You leftards keep outdoing yourselves in the fuckwittery stakes.

    So would you rather people had jobs and things were a bit more expensive….or…less people had jobs and thus were relying on state handouts and things were a bit cheaper?

    Why do you keep whining like a little bitch? Is it because the lazy and feckless now have to make a choice between food or a new XBox/50 inch TV/bag of smack?

    Fucking dry your eyes you lazy fuck. go and contribute to the human race rather than constantly pissing your pants about having to work for a fucking living like the rest if us.

    Useless cnut.

  95. 95
    Jean Claude Junker GB's new Boss says:

    I just love the smell of Tory humiliation before breakfast.
    Doing Dave was just business.
    Doing IDS, now that would be a pleasure.

  96. 96
    táxpáyér says:

    Universal benefits are better than means testing benefits.

  97. 97
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    But it’s OK for lefty scum to take Maggie Thatcher’s speech about society out of context by saying “There’s no such thing as society”.

  98. 98
    Parliament is a Gay Disco says:

    MEPs have today elected Martin Schulz for a second highly paid term as president of the European Parliament as a key part of the deal to install Jean-Claude Juncker in Brussels.

  99. 99
    Fuckwit spotter says:

    Reeves to House yest: I didn’t say universal benefits better. Reeves on tape: it would better if benefits universal http://bit.ly/1rbfqjY
    Retweeted by Guido Fawkes

  100. 100
    Fuckwit spotter says:

    Reeves to House yest: I didn’t say universal benefits better. Reeves on tape: it would better if benefits universal http://bit.ly/1rbfqjY
    Retweeted by Guido Fawkes

  101. 101
    Fuckrage says:

    This means war

  102. 102
    Ian Drunken Shit says:

    It would be better if your cock reached your arse then you could go and fuck yourself. Note that doesn’t amount to a policy – prick.

  103. 103

    “The more intelligent amongst us”?

    You don’t know how to punctuate.
    You don’t know how English works.
    You don’t know hot to do a proper put down.

    I’d like to think that the average Guido reader is considerably more intelligent than that.

  104. 104

    Haha, typo! :D
    Irony.

  105. 105
    Sod UKIP says:

    I look forward to her apology for lying to the House….

  106. 106
    Merde! says:

    How easy it is for the French to arrest or investigate former leaders. Not so here.

  107. 107
    Dave, tresor de mon coeur says:

    Now, if only the UK could follow France’s example and ban the fucking thing too.

    The court viewed that the French took this decision in the interest of social cohesion. So Dave, Libs and Leftards, let’s get this done in the interest of social cohesion. I know you like social cohesion lots.

  108. 108
    We-Tweeted by Andwew Adonis says:

  109. 109
  110. 110
    Herman, the worm who turned and told Dave to fook orf says:

  111. 111
    Emm Pathy says:

    So did she pass the Empathy Test?

  112. 112
    Anonymous says:

    Ban muslims altogether.

  113. 113
    Vlad the Loudhailer says:

    Then stitched up and canon balls put into the sack and thrown into the sea.

  114. 114
    Parliament is a Gay Disco says:

    empathy or ectoplasm?

  115. 115
    Anonymous says:

    sovietsalami63 Here,
    I WILL. NOT BE USED. IF YOU TRY YOU. WILL WORLD NEWS ££££££££££££££££££ B WARNED.

  116. 116
    Yeeks says:

  117. 117
    Witty Monker says:

    No, the bank is private property. Their gaff, their rules.

  118. 118
    Vlad the Loudhailer says:

    I don’t remember voting.

  119. 119
    The Sweet says:

    Little Willy Willy won’t go home.

  120. 120
    Which one? says:

    For Barroso, Van Rumpoy, Junkers or Shulz

  121. 121
    It was embarrassing back then too. says:

  122. 122
    The Lone Ranger says:

    It’s very odd. The BBC is practically silent about Harris. No “analysis on the lessons to be learnt, etc., etc.” He was invented by the BBC just as much as Savile was. They were happy to ridicule Mary Whitehouse, but even she would have been astonished by the filth flowing out of the BBC. Close that pile of shit down and privatise it with free shares to the public.

  123. 123
    rollo57 says:

    The problem is, as IDS is finding out, all benefits can’t be universal! ( rent) can’t be paid direct to landlords and WILL cause much upset and trouble!

  124. 124
    Anonymous says:

    #RidiculousReeves™

  125. 125
    To be honest I don't really give a shit says:

    Coo a bit tip your head to one side and nod occasionally.
    You’ll pass the test no problem.

  126. 126
    rollo57 says:

    Will we have any left after this shower of shi te have rifled our bank accounts!
    The biggest wasters and scroungers are in the HoP!

  127. 127
    Django. says:

    To my mind IDS is already basking in a good “light ” because he’s bringing in the reforms the DSS is in need of. As ever Reeves is speaking with a forked tongue, promising both increased benefits and benefit cuts. She’s been caught with panties in a total knot!

  128. 128
    rollo57 says:

    How can you say that? Only feckin IDS knows how it’s supposed to work? Which is why the IT keeps failing!

  129. 129
    DingDongBingBong says:

    During World War II, the Portuguese Republic was an authoritarian political regime under António de Oliveira Salazar and the Estado Novo, often regarded as pro-fascist.

    In July 1942, the first Portuguese Junkers Ju 52 aircraft, arrived to fly cargo missions.

  130. 130
    East India Company Wallah says:

    There are at least fifty french registered cars in Bordesley green in Birmingham being aimed by black mail boxes

  131. 131
    Harman PIE says:

    Rachel reeves was right to say that Labour would reverse all welfare cuts and she was right to deny that she had said Labour would reverse all welfare cuts.

    Hitler was right to invade Russia and right to retreat from Russia.
    England was right to take young players to the World cup and right to be knocked out after two matches/

    Ed Miliband was right to eat a bacon sandwich and wrong to look like a dick whilst doing so.

  132. 132
    Unbalanced Views says:

    maybe her mouth got hacked, thats the usual response when they post bollox on Twitter

  133. 133
    rollo57 says:

    Not only that, wearing such a garment is NOT part of their religion.

  134. 134
    Rachel the Labour Replicant Reeves says:

    Do you like our Owl?

  135. 135
    Peter Mandelslyme says:

    I prefer Blockbuster myself, very homoerotic when I’m riding the brazilian

  136. 136
    Unbalanced Views says:

    hmmmm – the IT isn’t failing, the IT is working exactly as the DWP requested, its just the request was bollox – trust me, i know…

  137. 137
    UKIP's last stand says:

    Meanwhile, with the sad passing of West Midlands Police Commissioner Bob Jones ( he was a socialist but a nice chap!) West Mids now has a Black police commissioner

  138. 138
    BBC News, C4 News, Daily Politics Show says:

    We are on it like a car bonnet.
    Signed Kathy Newman, Nick Robinson, Norman Smith, Andrew Marr, Jo Coburn, Andrew Neil.

  139. 139
    Tim Yeo-Yo says:

    Fuck off you mong.!

  140. 140
    Jizzmain Bucket says:

    I can do empathy, I want all non-lefties dead

  141. 141
    Jelly says:

    Portugal did more damage to Britain with its Lisbon treaty than any of their man of wars did.

  142. 142
    Diane Fatbutt says:

    Your point being whitey?

  143. 143
    Idon'tneednodoctor says:

    Harriet, are you confused?

  144. 144
    Rachel the Labour Replicant Reeves says:

    Junker is 59.
    The JU 59

  145. 145
    Idon'tneednodoctor says:

    Diane Abbott is thick in every way.

  146. 146
    Brummie says:

    Nope, not just a black commissioner. A black woman commissioner!

    Whether she’s lesbian as well couldnt tell you!

  147. 147
    70s TV fan says:

    Woo! Just like Captain Dobey in Starsky and Hutch!

  148. 148
    non taxable pikey says:

    Precedent set now let us do this too.
    Judges at the European court of human rights (ECHR) have upheld France’s burqa ban, accepting Paris’s argument that it encouraged citizens to “live together”.

  149. 149
    Angela Eagle says:

    Does she have spiky hair, wear doc martens and dungarees, talk in a butch way. If the answers yes I’ll pop round.

  150. 150
    the mystic mould with the appearance of the face of Jesus says:

    In life satisfaction is found by creating a thing from what is around, as an artist does by understanding what is meaningful he confronts you with his observation. A politician attempting the same falls down because they do not have the strength of will or character to bring about the required change to make any creative act

  151. 151
    Idon'tneednodoctor says:

    Come on silver lady…….

  152. 152
    Homosexuality: the beast within says:

    The growing fear among preachers, that speaking out in the name of the Lord — which they see as their Christian duty — against homosexuality and same-sex marriages may now be categorised as “hate speech” and subject them to criminal action, is likely to reinforce this radicalism. We could well be seeing a modern-day version of the medieval crusades, even if minus the swords.

    http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/editorial/Homosexuality–the-beast-within–again-_17021797

  153. 153
    Labour's last stand!!!! says:

    That is sad that Bob Jones dead, as he wanted to abolish the nonsense.

    So a byelectionfor UKIP to win in West Mids then?!

  154. 154
    45govt says:

    Tacky.

  155. 155
    Glyn H says:

    Covering the face is proof that the followers of Islam believe that their men are as animals and unable to control themselves. And they don’t like Western customs yet come here to leech off a wildly more providential state. The presence of such folk here prove their hypocrisy.

  156. 156
    Idon'tneednodoctor says:

    But surely Ed Miliband eating a bacon sandwich was a creative act.

  157. 157
    Anonymong says:

    IDS’s reforms are a disaster – and I say that as someone whose views on welfare are harsher than most of the modern Tory party.

    Look at the detail – it’s not going to save any money, or change any behaviour. It’s already well over budget and the delivery (when you actually understand it) is clearly impossible to achieve. So much so that even the minimal numbers currently in the system are having their claims done by hand. It is a clusterfcuk of epic proportions.

    This is currently being covered up, but it won’t be for much longer. Universal Credit will not survive beyond the next election. Don’t believe me? Take the time to look and all will be revealed.

  158. 158
    Liebour says:

    I bow to no-one in the contempt I have for Labour liars, but I have to agree with you here, shouty renegade muslim bloke. This lie has yet to be nailed down.

  159. 159
    Rachel Reeves with the same strange voice as Ed Miliband says:

    I’m a twit too.

  160. 160
    Cardinal Biggles says:

    He’s standing in front of a mirror.

  161. 161
    Anonymong says:

    He’s become a CCHQ drone. No different to the rest of the looby hacks he so derides.

  162. 162
    Ukip is shit!!! says:

    If tories had any sense theyd do a newark in west mids for police commissioner byelection and put up a winning streak candidate. Itll be poor turnout but chance for Cameron to show tories can win there too.

    Then I suggest Tories impose elected Mayors in all towns and get rid of municipal socialism strangleholds once and for all!

  163. 163
    the mystic mould with the appearance of the face of Jesus says:

    my intention is to compare artistic creation ( by violent act of assertion of self ) with political fucking about with society.

  164. 164
    Ock ey the Noooo says:

    I see is Scotland going for the NO vote, after all the years of crap we have had to take from the Scots they still want to be with us trash English, how embarrassing for them.

  165. 165
    SIZE 15 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    They don’t have the guts !

  166. 166
    Mycroft says:

    This utter fool has actually made the situation more costly, not less.

    By diverting payment attribution to other area within the Depts. purview the headline figure for ‘Unemployment’ appears to drop, but the reality is that the full costs per person unemployed has risen, risen so much that despite the fall of unemployment the overall costs have risen!

    He is doing what Gordon brown could never stop himself doing… tinkering with day to day finances.

    IDS is as closely aligned mentally to Gordon Brown as it is possible to be.

    If he’d left the system alone then we would have falling costs as the unemployed returned to work.

    We will also gain a ‘legacy’ from his actions.

    His ‘idea’ was to make the system cheap to run at high levels of unemployment and at 8% or more it would work it would START to save money, but below that figure the base system costs mean that as employment grows the systems cost burden does not go down as it to, but actually increases wiping out the benefit of getting people off benefits.

    The drop in unemployment has been vexing for the DWP and they are desperate to find a way ’round the looming disaster in the cost base.

    Add in the failed IT management costs, the ‘compensation’ payments, which contrary to his assertions will cost us all dearly and there is only one conclusion to that can reasonably be drawn.

    Genuinely, take a long hard look at IDS and realise he’s a ‘tinkerer’ on a large scale, about as useless as a sore thumb and a very very expensive idiot.

    Undoubtedly the least competent member of the Cabinet and that is quite some feat.

    Less than worthless.

  167. 167

    “Misremembering” is very popular amongst Lefty Wiimin. Hilary had a bad case too.

  168. 168
    UKIP is the only way to vote says:

    Fck Camorons idea’s on Mayors, if he does that Liebour will never be out of power, especially in the North West, Camoron wants a Mayor to cover the old Merseyside area and he thinks the piece of rubbish they have for a mayor in Liverpool will do well for the area, his idea of voting for police commisioner is a prime example of people not getting true voting powers as the fckin area will vote a red rosette on a lump of dog crap and voting for anybody other than Liebour is wasted, Camoron and his Tories have no chance, but as Camoron won’t be in after 2015 who cares.

  169. 169
    SIZE 15 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    We must goad them into voting ‘yes’ at every opportunity , there is still time.

  170. 170
    Mycroft says:

    Quite right!

    So much is under the carpet it now resembles the Himalayas.

    The ‘tie-ups’ with friends Businesses like A4E is corruption, Gov. corruption, at a grand scale.

    The result is that many of those on the ground consider that the DWP’s net effect is negative, despite the numbers dropping the cost burden has gone through the roof.

    Talk to staff in a Jobcentre and the picture that emerges is one of resignation that they are now just paying lip-service in the attempt to gain employment.

    The vast majority are there to ‘process’ the system, this used to account for 15 to 20% of there time resource overall, it now equates to 60% or more.

    Remember that is 60% of a dept. that has grow in staff by 15% in his time alone.

    There is no way that this man should be in charge of anything that requires nous and forward thinking, he has none of the former and the latter is a lost world to him.

    When employment drops to 2 million (which it will) there will be rumbles around a few politicians about the fact that the overall cost of the DWP hasn’t gone down as it used but has increased!

    It’s a time bomb, a bloody big one too.

  171. 171
    Attaturk says:

    and Turkey – a secular state which bans it.

    You won’t find that on the BBC as they can’t call Turkey words ending in ‘phobic’ or ‘ist’.

  172. 172
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Oh come on, be serious. She said ‘it would be best’, in the same way as ‘it would be best if there was no taxation’ or ‘it would be best if the sun always shone’. It wouldn’t happen, under any government. Iain ‘Perugia University’ Duncan Smith has got form on not telling the truth, so he really should be careful.

  173. 173
    The two Muppets says:

    Rachel Reeves is not the sharpest knife in the drawer .

  174. 174
    visibly shaken says:

    I liked her outfit

  175. 175
    Cinna says:

    Liar! Liar! Pants on fire.

  176. 176
    John Bellingham says:

    However often you repost, it doesn’t make sense, Fuckwit. It is more hacked than Fatty’s original – and the link is tho what we have all seen.

    Theere seems to be a split in the ranks between people who come here to see good dirt on politicians, and brainless Gheedough/Tory fanboys who would feel at home on any UAF rally or Guardian website.

  177. 177
    Jim says:

    In her response she never indicated she was being misquoted but stated she never used these words.

  178. 178

    THERE IS NO FREAKING “video above ”

    HAS IT BEEN D-NOTICED ??

  179. 179

    Panties in a total knot ?

    She always told me she went commando !!

  180. 180

    Well hold on Guido .

    You did not give the whole quote .

    I have only seen your snippet but in thst she starts off by saying “it COULD be said …..”

    For all I know she could have finished the sentence by saying ” …. but we all know this is not possible /difficult /impractical/nonsensical (delete as appropriate ) …”

    GIVE THE FULL QUOTE GUIDO DO NOT BE TOO SELECTIVE….WHO KNIWS YOU MAY BE RIGHT BUT WITH WHAT YOU HAVE FURNISHED WE JUST DO NOT KNIW …

  181. 181
    Anonymous says:

    Savile could be dismissed as an anomaly who slipped through despite the system. When you have two playing the same game, it begins to suggest that they ARE the system. Obviously if that were the case the public might demand that someone takes a close look at what is going on behind the scenes at the BBC, which the BBC is rather keen to avoid.

  182. 182
    RWG says:

    ..or a rusty spade?

  183. 183
    Anonymous says:

    I noticed that, too. It’s a bit like those theatre posters that quote a review as saying “Magnificent” when what it said was “Magnificent failure”.

  184. 184
    Voice of reason says:

    She has the personality of a potato,her and charmless Chuka are a dream team for any other party in opposition.dreadful.

  185. 185
    Voice of reason says:

    She has the personality of a potato,her and charmless Chuka are a dream team for any other party in opposition.dreadful.

  186. 186
    Voice of reason says:

    For those mentioned it should be compulsory

  187. 187
    Anonymous says:

    Do you understand the difference between ‘would’ and ‘could’


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