June 20th, 2014

Anti-Fracking Campaigners ‘Peddling Putin Propaganda’

Green anti-fracking activists are working with Moscow to mount a campaign of disinformation to discredit fracking across Europe, claims Nato chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen. He says that Putin’s government is working with green campaigners to undermine the case for shale gas and maintain European energy reliance on Russia:

“I have met allies who can report that Russia, as part of their sophisticated information and disinformation operations, engaged actively with so-called non-governmental organisations – environmental organisations working against shale gas – to maintain European dependence on imported Russian gas.”

No longer is it “reds under the bed” taking Moscow gold,  the de-facto alliance means the Greens are in bed with the Kremlin…


112 Comments

  1. 1
    Ed Balls - Shallow Chancer says:

    Nineth !

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    • 2
      Camp David says:

      Was ever thus.

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      • 35
        Anonymous says:

        Fracking is apalling news for a tiny country like the UK, great in America given it’s huge size can keep it far away from living areas and the poison out of the drinking water.

        Linking Fracking to Putin sounds like a Cameron tactic to discredit anti frackers.

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        • 50
          Anonymous says:

          This isn’t Guardian CiF, spare us the “poison in the drinking water” nonsense.

          You forgot the “earthquakes” rubbish.

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          • ed milliband peoples representitive of somewhere up north i have to visit every now and again says:

            earth tremors,poisoned water!don’t forget the flammable water.interesting that they ignore the fact that coal mines used to cause all three and yet thatcher was the devil because she closed them?surely she was just ahead of her time in the eco warrior stakes

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          • StevieBC says:

            A Texas family awarded $3M damages due to fracking related illness.

            If it’s safe then publicise the chemicals used in fracking.
            And you just know that ‘big business’ will cock it all up by chasing profits – and environmental disaster / pollution will result.

            Our idiot MP’s – who can’t even fiddle their expense properly – should not be allowed to make major decisions on fracking.

            And no I’m not a greenie, but a ‘mature’ accountant with a multi-national.

            http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/23/texas-fracking-lawsuit.html

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          • Mycroft says:

            To StevieBC.

            This claim made it because of the use by Aruba of open-air settlement pans (hence the contaminated air) they cannot be used in the UK, enclosed tanks are required in the UK along with positive-action filtration.

            I would like to point out that many wells in the US are quite shallow and it is these that allow the production of methane, methane is caused usually by rotting vegetation (marsh gas) and will happily percolate into a well that is connected by the water-table to such rotting vegetation.

            For decades it has been possible to ‘catch alight’ water, but usually it just goes ‘phoom’ and that’s it, the ‘flaming tap’ is now a de-bunked scam done to show what it ‘might’ look like.

            Hope that clears your mind of some of the detritus that clogs this discussion in the UK.

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          • StevieBC says:

            Mycroft – thanks for that prompt, ‘very well informed’ response.
            If I was cynical I could guess you were linked to a well-funded lobbying group ?

            Could you please confirm this then: would any/all fracking companies in the UK be obliged to publicly detail what chemicals they are using to pump into the ground ?

            And have these chemicals had any independent, long-term testing for negative side-effects on water, the environment or people ?

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          • StevieBC says:

            …and another thing Mycroft…

            I noticed that you didn’t post any comments to other posts made by Guido today.

            So do you only make comments in support of fracking ?

            I think we should be told.

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          • Anonymous says:

            It’s the greens who have the “well funded lobbying groups”, they just assume everybody else has.

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          • Mycroft says:

            SBC, no but we have shale below us here so I decided to find out all I could.

            No connection whatsoever.

            The chemicals are all known and published and adhered to, what is not divulged is the exact ratio of them, that is the only ‘secret’ this is done because they covet their knowledge for different strata and so can (perhaps) get more out of the ground than their competitors.

            A bit like mixing a perfect Martini :)

            Most of the chemicals you are exposed to every day right now, the releasing agent that gets those plastic bottles out of moulds, that is one of a similar group that makes up a large part of them.

            I post about almost everything, my choices are based on whether I can contribute something, can I share a snide/funny or remark or whether I feel disgust at our political w’nker class.

            I recently ran with the ball on the Piketty thing, I’m a Mathematician.

            I can’t really allay your fears of my motives or your cynicism of them, I wouldn’t want to, but cynicism alone is worthless, cynicism with a good knowledge of the subject is devastating.

            I’m not sure that helps.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Now listen to a story’ bout a man called Jed

            A poor mountaineer but he kept his family fed……

            NB:

            Jed would not have a claim under current law as he was just the landowner.

            He wouldn’t own what was underneath his land.

            Hilarious results would not have ensued and a disappointed child would have missed one of the best US TV comedies ( apart from Bilko ) ever.

            The old Beverley Hillbillys is still a tale of our current times though.

            Think about it.

            Mr Drysdale’s job at the bank was to keep away the sharks who were after Jed’s money.

            Ring any bells?

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        • 63
          Ragamala says:

          Great in USA? Get real, emerging evidence is that it’s a disaster there too.

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          • Anonymous says:

            It’s a disaster for the watermelons because cheap fossil fuels are severely hampering their efforts to bring down society.

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        • 68
          Charlie says:

          Gas in water if sink borehole into aquifer which contains methane. The local EPA showed fracking had not caused gas in water but it was naturally occurring.

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        • 70
          gildedtumbril says:

          You can frack offshore.

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        • 78
          Anonymous says:

          Utter bollocks my friend and you know it. Stop spouting green commie crap.

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          • Myopic Green Turd-talking shit and smelling like it says:

            And what would you say was the Biggest Problem facing Humanity? I’d go for Population Growth. This, to the Greens, is their Biggest Blind Spot. Sure, be pro-EU, yet they’re the biggest Population Growth area’s here in the UK. The Greens are the least Joined-Up in Policy, and the most ‘vocal’ in their views. Increased Housing, increased use of Power, increased Transport, increased use of Brown and Greenfield sites for Housing, increased Pollution, etc. You Greens are nothing short of Dangerously Naive. Sure, save Animals, but as for the Environment, you’re a bunch of Noe-Comminst Clustfarg’s – but then as you’re all Europhiles, that’s a price worth paying, right?

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        • 91
          Mycroft says:

          Totally wrong.

          It is the vast amount of land that has caused the (few) problems.

          The use of used water settlement pans in the open air (all that space) is a problem.

          The UK rules state that tanks must be used and they are enclosed.

          It was and is recognised that this ‘open plan’ system fails, so they are (slowly) changing the law over in the US, enclosed tanks are now far more common.

          So you cannot be more wrong.

          Sorry.

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      • 87
        Mycroft says:

        Reality check…

        ‘If’ the red plague were paying the piper, they would be far better organised and effective.

        The more likely truth is that they will be paying for one, maybe half a dozen agitators, but their effect will be minimal and probably counter-productive.

        But they are very cost effective… 1 days delay overall is one further day where they gain 100% of their revenue, so every day’s delay is ‘worth’ possibly 5% of their daily profit.

        That is a massive sum of money, so for the costs of a few beans or lentils the temptation is huge.

        They will be doing it, but they have to keep it as low profile as is imaginable.

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        • 98
          Anonymous says:

          Don’t assume that just because they are incompetent that they are not being backed by various interests who are using the useful idiots for their own ends.

          It is merely fortuitous that the left generally can’t organise a piss up in a brewery.

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      Gordon "where is he" Brown says:

      Nice one Ed – I see your neo-erogenous growth came in handy after all.

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    Llareggub says:

    Reminds me of the CND campaign in the 1980’s, which was quite openly peddling Soviet propaganda.

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    • 5
      táxpáyér says:

      It’s why we call them Melons, thin green veneer, but red to the pips.

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      • 13
        Watermelonoma says:

        Watermelons, to be precise.

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      • 41
        Fishy says:

        Quite. Why is anyone surprised. Caroline Lucas is a ‘former’ Communist.

        She probably found that waving the Communist Party flag she would never be able to fulfil her life’s work or get elected…but would be able to do so pretending to be a cuddly Green.

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        • 77
          John Bellingham says:

          Was she one of those smelly dames with funny haircuts and Dr Marten’s hanging around Greenham Common?

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    • 65
      Ragamala says:

      Your memory or your faculties are in seevre decline. This is a nonsense story

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      The two Muppets says:

      Yes, they were all traitors to this country then , and now we have
      the Greens and other Soviet sympathisers peddling the misinformation
      and crap about fracking so that we have to depend on Russia .

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  4. 6
    Grammar School Boy says:

    ……and you’re shocked by this I suppose?

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  5. 7
    Roman Abramovich says:

    How much do you want?

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  6. 8
    Not so out of touch ! says:

    Just the standard “network of useful idiots” – Back in the 1930’s Soviet agents set up a network of “useful idiots”, third party organisations that were supported, often unwittingly and almost always unknowingly, with a view of promoting foreign policy aims of the USSR.

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  7. 9
    Calamity Clegg, Chief Cockroach says:

    You are the Party of Putin, we are the Party of ‘In’.

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  8. 10
    Caroline Criado-Perez says:

    It is part of white male patriarchy that a Tory MP this morning punched a minority ethnic female woman in the throat because he is a white male and therefore part of r.a.p.e. culture. We are calling for Fabricant to be sacked immediately and put on trial for sexism and racism.

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    • 31
      Jimmy says:

      Just held my nose and read Yasmin Alibaba Brown’s twitter feed – her first tweet in response to what was a joke by fabricant was to play the race card and call a racist. Just ridiculous.

      And Dan Hodges is even in on it now. Strange to think as a people we were once noted for our sense of humour, now Hadley Freeman, Cathy Newman, Dan Hodges and the rest will do their best to hound this man until he is sacked for simply making a joke.

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  9. 11
    Anonymous says:

    Aha, glad we get confirmation of this.

    I always thought it was green to produce and consume locally made goods but the “greens” don’t want us to get local gas under our strict environmental regulations and prefer to import it from dodgy dictators who don’t care about being green.

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    • 79
      Winston says:

      Errr confirmation??? “I have met allies who can report that Russia, as part of their sophisticated information and disinformation operations, engaged actively with so-called non-governmental organisations – environmental organisations working against shale gas – to maintain European dependence on imported Russian gas”

      So no evidence, just someone told him it was happening. This is just anti-Russian propaganda. Your a mug if you believe it. Guido is just a lackey for the Cameroon.

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      • 90
        Anonymous says:

        You are a mug if you don’t believe the greens are reds. Many of them openly admit it. Or do you think it’s just a coincidence that their “solutions” to the supposed environmental crisis are conveniently the same ones they were peddling on ideological grounds for years before they realised they were sure fire vote losers?

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  10. 12
    Liar.Politicians says:

    Bullshit. It doesn’t take Einstein to work out putting toxic crap into the rocks to fracture it, much of it close to the water table, is NOT a good idea.

    Maybe the NATO chief should worry about fixing the US / EU / NATO fuckup they created over their Ukraine land grab.

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    • 16
      Socialism is theft says:

      Number of global deaths from fracking?

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      • 20
        Socialism is theft says:

        http://www.caithnesswindfarms.co.uk/accidents.pdf

        “Indeed on 11 December 2011 the Daily Telegraph reported that RenewableUK confirmed that there had been 1500 wind turbine accidents and incidents in the UK alone in the past 5 years.”

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        • 55
          Anonymous says:

          For a saving of CO2 emissions of the square root of bugger all. Just as well it makes no significant difference to the climate anyway.

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      • 37
        Dorkass says:

        And that’s not saying anything about the genocidal scale of killing of birds and bats by windmills, which runs into the hundreds of thousands annually, and includes rare and protected species. Funny how the eco-mentalists never notice that. Nor the RSPB.

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    • 21
      Help! The climate is trying to kill me!! says:

      Down with Climate!

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    • 22
      ahmonika says:

      liarpoliticians @liarpoliticians is worth following.

      You’re worth a punch in the throat.

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    • 27
      Mycroft says:

      Ignorance allows regular foaming at the mouth…

      No water table in this Country is of concern.

      What are actually referring but due to ignorance can’t frame the words properly is ‘Aquifer’… we don’t take water from water tables (except to fill a few settlement reservoirs) we take it from aquifers.

      No aquifer in this country is deeper than 1500ft down at it’s base.

      The base is largely impermeable (that is why it doesn’t leach away)

      Fracturing occurs at 5000 to 10000ft down… through at least 3000ft of impermeable rock, but even better, the shale layer is also impermeable, that is why the water we use to fracture it has to be at enormous pressure.

      No reason to foam at the mouth…

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    • 49
      Ctesibius says:

      Presumably you object to ‘fracking’ but are happy that to extract coal we have excavated a rabbit warren of huge caverns underground which we have left supported by wooden props. During Arthur Scargill’s insurrection I never heard anyone objecting to the environmental impact of coal mining. Perhaps this will provide Millionaireband with a really good ‘line to take’ at the next Durham Miners ‘Gay-la’?

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    • 53
      Anonymous says:

      That probably isn’t a good idea. Just as well it’s got bugger all to do with fracking outside the watermelon propaganda bubble, then.

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    • 56
      SIZE 15 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

      Bullshit, if there is an environmental price to pay so what, we need the gas let the ecolunatics live in freezing mud huts eating muesli and raw carrots, drinking their mineral water , a bit of muck won’t hurt ,get some concrete down .

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    • 61
      ed milliband peoples representitive of somewhere up north i have to visit every now and again says:

      toxic according to whom?american patent laws mean fracking companies don’t have to publish their particular waterbased cocktail,the same would not apply in the UK and would have to be approved by the enviroment agency,so that is the end of that reason for not allowing fracking

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      • 95
        SIZE 15 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

        Fuck the environment agency ,it’s just another EU funded trojan horse !!

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  11. 14
    Jack Strawman says:

    Ah, this reminds me of when I was a young man.

    I joined the Labour party and helped the Soviets in their anti-British campaigns. To think it all came to nowt.

    Oh, well, at least I got to grind some faces in diversity.

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    • 19
      Joss Taskin says:

      Will your little Willy be taking up your role as the cowardly champagne socialist who is full of guile and low cunning ?

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  12. 15
    tigerowl says:

    Of course we are in league with the Russians. Just had a personal meeting with Vlad himself. We said if we stop fracking then the might of the Russian empire will be able to walk all over this country in days.
    Leftist plot to bring down the country is well under way.
    It was those on the left who first opposed Hitler, Mussolini and Franco. Spoke out against Stalin. Warned against Pol Pot. While the right were trading with them.
    But conspiracy theories make some happy so why worry about fracking?

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      Matron says:

      Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot were all lefties.

      Good try, but re-writing history never works in the long-term.

      Back to the ward with you now.

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    • 62
      ed milliband peoples representitive of somewhere up north i have to visit every now and again says:

      “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” –Adolf Hitler 1st may 1927

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  13. 18
    Nigel Faragi says:

    Vote Green Get Putin

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  14. 23
    Albert's chainsaw sharpeners says:

    Somebody’s has started to rattle the melon’s cage about time, we won’t be get told by the British media about it, so the braindead will still believe the moon is made of cheese and politician’s are really nice people doing a hard job and deserve 3months hols and should paid twice as much as they are now,and the EU is there to stop WWIII and it doesn’t have any military and it’s only helping countries and is not taking over other countries, honest!, can’t blame the bear destabilising the EU as they are trying to do what a couple of other dictators failed to do in the last couple of centuries. someone has to be the paymaster .

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  15. 24
    Hague the Vague says:

    er where is Russia and what have they got to do with us?

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  16. 25
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    Have I slipped a few more notches in the opinion polls yet ?

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    It will not be P’utin exclusively.

    The US will be funding some of this also.

    The US has an interest in selling energy to the UK – eg. Drax wood pellets, but are more interested in suppressing the UK’s ability to compete economically. In part the US position will be to limit the UK’s ability to support R’ussia through energy purchases which will be unavoidable.

    P’utin at least will really only be interested in ensuring UK remains a purchaser, but needs UK economy to be at a certain level to support sales.

    Labour side are more C!A infiltrated than the Conservatives, who appear to be more R’ussian influenced.

    The EU’s position in all this is somewhat genial: They would just prefer to see the UK reduced to a position where it poses no credible threat once it leaves their Union.

    Vote UKIP :-D

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    • 42
      Maximus says:

      What you say applies to much of Europe too – TTIP and all that – the difference is that the pols on the Continent are rather more fractitious than the (generally) reliable bitches here. Still, just to be on the safe side, on both sides of the Channel we all have our GS gauleiters and 5th columnists in place – even in the Labour Party apparatus.

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      • 58

        Both US / R-Fed and Europe itself are involved there.

        EU has been mixing things up by trying to play US off against R-Fed. That has been to re-invigorate the three core propaganda messages of the pan-europa movement in order to push a certain style of federalization, and strengthen a very weak hand in negotiating things like TTIP.

        The three core pan-europa propganda items are:

        i) Non Federal Europe will guarantee war.
        ii) Non Federal Europe is susceptible to aggression from the East – R’ussia.
        iii) Non Federal Europe will render Europe economically weak and susceptible to enslavement by pan-America. (Note: This points more to US as NAFTA bloc rather than just USA)

        The European Movement – a competitor to pan-Europa – is UK’s interest. Pan-Europa is overtly hostile to the UK.

        In reality – nobody is really on nobodies side, except in some cases – their own.

        Vote UKIP :-D

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  18. 32
    Gwyneth says:

    Every time I see Validimir’s beautiful features my heart skips a beat.

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  19. 33
    Mr Alibhai-Brown says:

    There is Nothing Wrong with Wanting to Punch Yasmin Alibhai-Brown in the throat.

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  20. 36
    Owen Jones (Headmaster retired) says:

    School boys in trouble for abusing Cameron at speech http://dailym.ai/1qls9Oo

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  21. 38
    ahmonika says:

    Dan Hodges “Stop whining about ‘PC’. Michael Fabricant tweeting about punching women in the throat is disgusting”

    Fuck off Dan!

    I don’t literally mean you to ‘fuck-off’ but you know what I mean!

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  22. 39
    Mong Watch says:

    The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) said that the new rule would make it very difficult to become a school governor if conservative Muslim beliefs were deemed to be incompatible with “British values”, and that it put too much power in the secretary of state’s hands to define those values.

    The document gives for the first time the education department’s written definition of the “British values” that Gove said all schools should be promoting in the wake of the row over allegations of Muslim extremism in Birmingham schools.

    It says that schools must promote British values of respect for the law, democracy, equality and tolerance of different faiths and religious and other beliefs.

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    • 43
      Mong Watch says:

      Funny Dat, supporting the extreme view while pretending to be at the centre. Call the MCB out.

      Note also grauniad suggests…’alleged’…..stoning and slaying women school books not enough for you?

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    • 51
      Ctesibius says:

      Could we also just make sure that these ‘conservative’ Muslims are onside with basic elements of the curriculum like Evolution?

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      SIZE 15 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

      There should be no room for any religious propaganda in schools no matter which sky fairy some idiot chooses to prostrate himself to , crosses, burkas , bibles,. korans should not be allowed.
      The one thing Marx got right amongst all his other garbage was his view on religion, that for centuries was used as an instrument to keep people in ignorance and poverty , just as we in Britain saw through the evil old pederasts spouting their superstitious claptrap to innocent children , along comes a gang of bearded savages preaching a medieval middle eastern death cult , instead of nipping this in the bud the authorities defer to their every whim!

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  23. 40
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Greenpeace; undercover operators for Smersh.

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  24. 44
    The England football team says:

    Sorry.

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  25. 46
    Cobblers says:

    I call cobblers on this one

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  26. 48
    bristol green capitalist says:

    Big energy cos stuck in a fossil fuelled world – @jonathonporritt speaking @FestivalofIdeas @biggreenweek #Bristol. Need ramp up renewables.— George Ferguson (@GeorgeFergusonx) June 20, 2014

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    Uncle Mac says:

    ‘… the de-facto alliance means the Greens are in bed with the Kremlin…’

    And the US is in agreement with Iran over Iraq – does that mean the US has become Shia Muslim?

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    • 64
      SIZE 15 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

      The best illustration of the mental agility of the leftie liberal labour scum was how quickly and seamlessly they transferred their allegiance from the soviets to the EU so soon after the fall of the Berlin Wall.
      Putin probably despises them as much as the Communists did, but cannot help finding them useful.

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      • 106
        I'm 'Seamless', else all the shit would leak out says:

        Now where’s Che Guevara when you need him! (or the poxy little BBC article about Hugo Chávez)? Socialism works for everyone! Just don’t expect to wipe your own arses all at the same time!

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    if he came over to visit us up in livingston i would pure smack him and set about him

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    The Left working for the Russians, like they always have.

    With anti-fracking campaigners, you should look at who has most to lose from increases in levels of energy self-sufficiency.

    1) Russia (would lose customers and influence over Europe)
    2) Labour Party (will lose seats where the jobs, wealth and gentrification of northern areas will erode their core vote)

    The above two will use the influence of their friends in the media (BBC) and water melon politicians to make the case against fracking.

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    • 92
      StevieBC says:

      I am not Left wing or anything else.
      I am just a normal citizen who simply no longer trusts the government [any UK government] nor our pathetic, self-serving politicians.

      The Russia angle is perhaps a useful coincidence/distraction to throw at those who oppose fracking.

      Perhaps fracking COULD be done in a safe manner – I don’t know.

      But why the hell should anyone trust the politicians to do the right thing – for all the citizens ? I fully expect that there is powerful/well funded pro-fracking lobby.
      I also wouldn’t be in the least surprised if MP’s – from all parties – are receiving benefits/consultancies/promises of future directorships etc – to make sure they bulldoze in whatever legislation is required to trigger a free for all for the energy companies.

      There should be a further moratarium on fracking. Any economic arguments are secondary, and a short-term consequence.

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      • 99
        Anonymous says:

        So how do you think we should generate electricity, given that they are shutting down the coal fired stations for green reasons, not replacing the nuclear stations for green reasons, and the windmills don’t work when it’s not windy which is surprisingly often. How long should a moratorium be, when it is likely that there will be insufficient generating capacity this coming winter?

        Despite the green propaganda no one has or is likely to die from “climate change” in the foreseeable future. Expensive and unreliable energy however has and will kill people in substantial numbers.

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        • 107
          You're Obvioulsly High, Can I Have Some? says:

          NO! The Idea behind it is that we’ll buy all of our stuff from China, and we’ll have Windmills. Just how stupid are you!

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      • 109
        Mycroft says:

        You are right to distrust our Gov. but if you think our ‘elite’ are venal then you must at least accept that the Russian state (in the form of Putin) is at least as bad and is likely worse.

        So your jaundiced view applied evenly should tend to make the possibility a certainty.

        All endeavour involves risk, energy involves a few more:-

        Coal was riddled with death, subsidence, fires and goodness knows what else.

        North Sea Oil was very high risk, divers, helicopters and storms.

        Nuclear has a list of issues that I can’t be ahsed to type.

        Fracking on land with ready inspection and monitoring is the safest energy recovery that man has so far discovered.

        The people that do the right thing is us, this is a surface extraction system, in our own villages and towns.

        It is wealth creation of the first order, everyone that can will try to divert a bit of it their way, nothing new, in the final account despite my loathing of leeches of any kind I’d rather a whole mass of people cream the money in hundreds of directions if the only other model is to create an Oligarch that has it all, I like neither but the lesser of the two evils is the former, not the latter.

        Rather than that I’d like the general population to embrace the idea and DEMAND a goodly share for all consumers, all the time that that doesn’t happen people will connive to line heir pockets.

        That is why a moratorium is the exact wrong thing to do, the protests equally so, it makes getting a really cheap energy source ‘appear’ hard to recover and we’ll all pay and the elite will rub their hands in glee.

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  30. 89

    Now that’s Green Piss innit?

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    Realist says:

    Watermelons-green on the outside red on the inside. Frack on!

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    • 104
      RWG says:

      Also known as traffic lights..

      They call themselves green, because they’re too yellow to admit they are really red.

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      • 111

        I’m not sure they are red unless by red you mean totalitarian fascists. I suspect former wearers of brown shirts who like smashing shop windows and burning books are now wearing green (shirts). Surely a red would never scratch my 8 litre 3mpg 4X4 with their Trabant keys? I made the mistake of expressing an opinion on a Guardian version of this forum and someone called me a ‘DENIALIST’ and a DEVINER (?) whatever TF that is. I called him a Hunt then flew off in my private plane in the hope of metaphorical
        ly shitting on his allotment

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    Noble Savage says:

    Meanwhile Germany, Europe’s most successful industrial producer and exporter is fully committed to a green energy programme and is already producing about 30% of its electricity from renewables.

    Most anti-frackers support green energy which would be a complete own goal for Putin and his corrupt conniving cronies.

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      SIZE 15 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

      Green energy is a non starter , it simply cannot do the job, how long do you imagine that those ridiculous turbines are going to last immersed in sea water with another year or two of north sea gales , the maintenance on them will be crippling.
      The anti frackers are just deluded ecolunatics or at worse anti capitalist nut jobs who think money grows on trees, the same unwashed, idle, work shy scum who were allowed to defacate on the steps of Saint Paul’s for months before public opinion finally forced the cowardly ‘authorities’ to remove them.
      As for Germany getting 30% of its electricity from renewables is utter garbage, they have just opened two huge power stations with not a windmill in sight.

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    Anonymous says:

    “Anti-Fracking Campaigners”
    can’t decide whether these rip-off and scarper fly-fracking merchants are more like the Emperor’s invisible-suit tailors, or Southern States carpet-frackers.

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  34. 112

    More debate stifling eco nazi shite from the 4×4 scratching dog poisoners. Animal Lib was the same ‘dig up your granny we will’ Khoontz the lot of ‘em

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