June 9th, 2014

Aussie Plain Packs Experiment Fails
“Evidence World’s Toughest Anti-Smoking Laws Not Working”

Not a day goes by without some left-wing health zealot calling on the UK to follow Australia’s lead and introduce plain packs. But it has not escaped Guido’s notice that they are strangely silent on whether it works.

Perhaps this is why…
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MPs are increasingly aware of the growing consensus down under that Labor’s nanny state has spectacularly backfired – with more fags sold now than before. Health experts, academics and commentators are mocking the policy and parliament is debating its repeal. No wonder Tory backbenchers think it a “shame” to follow suit…

44 Comments

  1. 1
    Scaredy cat says:

    As a former tobacco addict plain packaging would not have deterred me. I stopped because my parents and several friends died of cancer.

  2. 2
    The witless mong in Number 10 says:

    Where Australia’s Nanny State has failed, my Nanny State will succeed, just by doing exactly what they did.

    Wibble.

  3. 3
    Bosun Higgs says:

    A plug for a Murdoch newspaper! One merit point for Guido.

  4. 4

    Adjusted for population, tobacco sales per person have actually continued to decrease from 920.4 in 2012 to 906.9 in 2013. (http://www.theguardian.com/society/datablog/2014/jun/06/is-smoking-increasing-in-australia)

  5. 5
    Pendant says:

    Cant they even spell Labour correctly?

  6. 6
    Pedant? says:

    Pedant

  7. 7
    Mitch says:

    I see Nadine is getting in on the act (re-tweet above). But, public benches aren’t single beds, after all? People are entitled to be able to sit down?

    Wouldn’t it be better to look at removing the reasons people have to sleep on benches in the first place?

  8. 8
    Going strong for 2015 says:

    We love Yvette

  9. 9
    A Doctor says:

    We must do something about tobacco smoking.
    Plain packaging is something.
    Therefore we must have plain packaging.

  10. 10

    I’m waiting for some “the Conversation” Leftie Blagger to pop up and tell us its all Abbott’s fault. Not that one, the other one.

  11. 11
    Dangerous Brian says:

    I stopped smoking because I decided not to smoke anymore.
    Anyone can do the same. Addiction is not a physical disease, its a state of mind.
    You will only be “addicted” to anything if you want to be.
    I have been “addicted” to lots of things over the last 40 years or so, I made the choice, on every occasion, to give up the substance, experience etc. of my own FREE will, the hardest “addiction” to break is victimhood..

  12. 12
    Maimed Codger says:

    Australia, where Men are Men & Women are grateful.

  13. 13
    ed milliband peoples representitive of somewhere up north i have to visit every now and again says:

    you see what you’ve done there is confused what is written in the guardian for hard factual evidence..school boy error

  14. 14
    Bosun Higgs says:

    ……but not as rapidly as they were declining before plain packaging was enforced. So we come to the unsurprising conclusion that plain packaging is no help.

    In the UK, one would expect plain packaging to cause a sharp increase in the smuggling of cigarettes, to which we are much more vulnerable than Australia. That in turn would reduce the average price.

    I would love it if everbody stopped smoking. It is smelly, harmful and childish. Nicotine addiction is so strong, however, that pratting about with thecdesign of fag packets is ineffective.

  15. 15

    You’ll notice that the data The Guardian are quoting is from the The Australian. Which is the newspaper that is carrying the story that plain packaging hasn’t worked. Not actually bothering to look at the source of the information would appear to be the real school boy error here.

  16. 16
    Django Hates Fags (can I say that?) says:

    Can I suggest that the government start by telling the BBC not to portray smokers and smoking as normal e.g Eastenders and other so called “gritty” dramas.

  17. 17
    The last Bastion says:

    If Ecigs felt like having a filter in your mouth rather than chewing plumbing supplies I think more people would be quitting, I quit years ago and still miss that sensation

  18. 18
    STFU Guido says:

    Only idiots smoke.

  19. 19
    geordieboy says:

    There is always some fucking do – gooder who wants to leave their mark. Why can’t they just leave us to get on with our lives as we see fit and not be nannied by some non smoking wench. We vote people into government to listen to us not to interfere in our choice of lifestyle.

  20. 20
    Bosun Higgs says:

    What about plain packaging for politicians, with lurid health warnings?

  21. 21
    geordieboy says:

    Tell that to Ken Clarke, Nigel Farage and many others.

  22. 22
    Observant says:

    Liebor?

  23. 23
    Observant says:

    + Billions – vote UKIP

  24. 24
    Underworld Godfather says:

    Plain packaging is good for our counterfeit tobacco business. Any chance of complete prohibition???

  25. 25
    ed milliband peoples representitive of somewhere up north i have to visit every now and again says:

  26. 26
    The Growler says:

    I gave up smoking 14 years ago for health reasons, blindingly sick headaches and High Blood Pressure, I am very glad I did when I smell the ciggies are smoking now, I don’t know which is worse those or that skunk stuff, they both smell obnoxious to me. Ciggies don’t smell like they used to 40/50 years ago and they cost so much.

  27. 27
    The Growler says:

    He has to cross advertise, the Master demands it from his underlings

  28. 28

    Warning – likely to contain slime and sleaze

  29. 29
    Health Fascist Victim says:

    As usual nothing to do with health but power and the almost sexual urge to bully, hector the little people – whilst nowadays being handsomely paid to do so. At least gauleiters were cheaper.

  30. 30
    Maximus says:

    Grauniad leftards can’t even be bothered to indicate whether the numbers they cite refer to quantity of product or value. They must suppose their readers don’t care about such trivia.

  31. 31
    Dorkass says:

    I took up vaping. Roll-up consumption dropped from 20 to 2 a day overnight. Told my GP this – she marked my outpatients’ form “Ex-smoker”. Good to see some physicians have some sense – there is no discernible statistical effect even at 3 cigs a day, but no-one will admit that.

    Always call them “nicotine inhalers” – no tobacco is involved, and no combustion, yet vaping is illegal in some countries! To call them e-cigs or e-cigarettes is to collude with the delegitimizers. Fuck the fascist leftards.

  32. 32
    Dapper Dave says:

    The main objective of plain packaging is to discourage the young from starting smoking. The tobacco companies depend on recruiting new addicts so did everything possible (both openly and deviously) to resist plain packaging. That’s a good enough reason to support it….

  33. 33
    STFU Guido says:

    I rest my case.

  34. 34
    Norma Stitz says:

    Australia, where men are men and sheep are nervous.

  35. 35
    Usual tobacco co bollux says:

    So the tobacco company should be happy for plain packaging here as it will increase sales

  36. 36
    Legalise non-smoker marriage NOW says:

    “Childish”?

    It’s big, hard and clever.

  37. 37
    harleyrider1978 says:

    This pretty well destroys the Myth of second hand smoke:

    http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/28/16741714-lungs-from-pack-a-day-smokers-safe-for-transplant-study-finds?lite

    Lungs from pack-a-day smokers safe for transplant, study finds.

    By JoNel Aleccia, Staff Writer, NBC News.

    Using lung transplants from heavy smokers may sound like a cruel joke, but a new study finds that organs taken from people who puffed a pack a day for more than 20 years are likely safe.

    What’s more, the analysis of lung transplant data from the U.S. between 2005 and 2011 confirms what transplant experts say they already know: For some patients on a crowded organ waiting list, lungs from smokers are better than none.

    “I think people are grateful just to have a shot at getting lungs,” said Dr. Sharven Taghavi, a cardiovascular surgical resident at Temple University Hospital in Philadelphia, who led the new study………………………

    Ive done the math here and this is how it works out with second ahnd smoke and people inhaling it!

    The 16 cities study conducted by the U.S. DEPT OF ENERGY and later by Oakridge National laboratories discovered:

    Cigarette smoke, bartenders annual exposure to smoke rises, at most, to the equivalent of 6 cigarettes/year.

    146,000 CIGARETTES SMOKED IN 20 YEARS AT 1 PACK A DAY.

    A bartender would have to work in second hand smoke for 2433 years to get an equivalent dose.

    Then the average non-smoker in a ventilated restaurant for an hour would have to go back and forth each day for 119,000 years to get an equivalent 20 years of smoking a pack a day! Pretty well impossible ehh!

  38. 38
    harleyrider1978 says:

    Judge doesnt accept statistical studies as proof of LC causation!

    It was McTear V Imperial Tobacco. Here is the URL for both my summary and the Judge’s ‘opinion’ (aka ‘decision’):

    (2.14) Prof Sir Richard Doll, Mr Gareth Davies (CEO of ITL). Prof James Friend and
    Prof Gerad Hastings gave oral evidence at a meeting of the Health Committee in
    2000. This event was brought up during the present action as putative evidence that
    ITL had admitted that smoking caused various diseases. Although this section is quite
    long and detailed, I think that we can miss it out. Essentially, for various reasons, Doll
    said that ITL admitted it, but Davies said that ITL had only agreed that smoking might
    cause diseases, but ITL did not know. ITL did not contest the public health messages.
    (2.62) ITL then had the chance to tell the Judge about what it did when the suspicion
    arose of a connection between lung cancer and smoking. Researchers had attempted
    to cause lung cancer in animals from tobacco smoke, without success. It was right,
    therefore, for ITL to ‘withhold judgement’ as to whether or not tobacco smoke caused
    lung cancer.

    [9.10] In any event, the pursuer has failed to prove individual causation.
    Epidemiology cannot be used to establish causation in any individual case, and the
    use of statistics applicable to the general population to determine the likelihood of
    causation in an individual is fallacious. Given that there are possible causes of lung
    cancer other than cigarette smoking, and given that lung cancer can occur in a nonsmoker,
    it is not possible to determine in any individual case whether but for an
    individual’s cigarette smoking he probably would not have contracted lung cancer
    (paras.[6.172] to [6.185]).
    [9.11] In any event there was no lack of reasonable care on the part of ITL at any
    point at which Mr McTear consumed their products, and the pursuer’s negligence
    case fails. There is no breach of a duty of care on the part of a manufacturer, if a
    consumer of the manufacturer’s product is harmed by the product, but the consumer
    knew of the product’s potential for causing harm prior to consumption of it. The
    individual is well enough served if he is given such information as a normally
    intelligent person would include in his assessment of how he wishes to conduct his
    life, thus putting him in the position of making an informed choice (paras.[7.167] to
    [7.181]).

  39. 39
    Drug Dealer-Suck Long And Hard From This Tube Until You See Green Lights says:

    The Government has got its priorities arse-over-tit. It’s US, the Public, that dictate what THEY do. Fucking control freaks.

  40. 40
    SIZE 15 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    So fucking what ,if people want a smoke it’s their business NOT the fucking states’ no government should even concern themselves.

  41. 41
    Michael Smith says:

    Much as you wish for smoking to be “denormalised” don’t be fooled by the rhetoric of the anti-smokers. As far as I’m aware people continue to smoke and I would estimate the soaps have got it about right in the percentage of characters they portray as smokers. Just because they say it is denormalised doesn’t make it so.

  42. 42
    WHere the fuck do you come from Conor Fawkes? says:

    I presume this is tongue in cheek…..otherwise please fuck off

  43. 43
    u come from Conor Fawkes? says:

    are you testing me, you thick tw@t?

  44. 44
    John Mallon says:

    Tell that to Einstein, a lifelong pipe smoker


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