June 6th, 2014

Rusbridger: We Need the BBC to Go Out of Business

Evan Davis and Alan Rusbridger got their handbags out at a media luvvie lunch. Davis touched a nerve by arguing that the newspaper industry needs three dailies to go out of business to survive, provoking a much more sensible alternative suggestion from the Guardian editor. Press Gazette has the video:

ED: “Really, we need, don’t we… a healthy, vibrant, five-newspaper industry, good newspapers, well resourced, print and online. We need three dailies to go out of business don’t we? There’s just a ridiculous over capacity in this market. How does that happen? We don’t seem to be seeing papers exiting the market, which is what happens when the technology changes and the demand for that product diminishes.”

AR: “Well, I’m going to make a very cheap point here, Evan, and say that the same is true of the BBC. We need the BBC to go out of the market.”

Elsewhere this week, Harriet Harman raised the possibility that Labour would support the abolition of the licence fee. Auntie’s friends are turning on her…


  1. 1
    Baz says:

    The Guardian website seems completely borked at the moment

  2. 2
    Harridan Harmanhater says:

    We’ll promise anything to get oursleves back into Office.

  3. 3
    Jack the Ripper says:

    Of course, the BBC isn’t in business now – unless you call demanding money with menaces a business.

  4. 4
    Mr Nobody says:

    Of course the licence fee should be abolished, it’s a crazy system which should have no place in the 21st century.

  5. 5
    Observant says:

    Auntie Beeb is a vile lefty slag – we should not have to pay for her tricks.

  6. 6
    MB. says:

    How would the Grauniad survive without all the BBC job adverts?

  7. 7

    its just another stealth tax

  8. 8
    Bill Quango MP says:

    If you ask a lefty if compulsory satellite dish purchases with an annual, compulsory, fee to watch that satellite dish should be made law, they recoil in horror.

    Yet they never stop praising the licence fee.

  9. 9
    'Kiss marry avoid'. well worth the licence fee all on its own says:

    Ah but the BBC only costs £12 a month.
    Spiffing value for a tv station you don’t watch I think you will agree.

  10. 10
    Not a Leftie Fan says:

    We need socialism to go out of business surely?

  11. 11
    Gary Glitter Says says:

    I love, you love
    Don’t call the police, love

  12. 12
    A poll tax lefteis are quite happy with says:

    It’s not hard to prove the BBC’s lefty bias.
    Just point at all the stinking lefties who stick up for the fucking thing.

  13. 13
    Norman Normal says:

    Don’t watch BBC and cancelled sky recently too, bought around 5 papers in 12 months, don’t listen to the radio as all the music I want is on my smart phone.
    News – Apps n Guido
    Films – broadband eg LoveFilm
    Sport – corrupted too much money involved , lost interest
    Drama – not what it was, if the BBC didn’t buy such rubbish it wouldn’t be made
    Comedy – don’t make me laugh! TV doesn’t really do it anymore. Repeats on broadband or YouTube or better still the comments section on Order-Order.

  14. 14
    Barack Obama says:

    Since you like to have my opinion on what goes on in your cute lil ol’ country, I’d say scrap the license and have a subscription service.
    Hell I’d pay to watch your Coronation Street.

  15. 15
    Socialism is theft says:

    No doubt Evan Davis’ next job will be head of the Competition Commission.

  16. 16
    BBC executive says:

    but the BBC IS Guardian TV in the way that Sky is Murdoch TV

    Same funding model too. BBC has the Telly tax. Grauniad is funded by general taxation that puts it in every University and shcool common room and has it delivered to every government and local government office.

    Arguably of course White Dee’s Sky sub comes out of taxationthat pays for her bennies too

  17. 17
    Socialism is theft says:

    Evan Davis would be considered right wing on many BBC Radio comedy programs.

  18. 18
    This moniker may contain flash photography says:

    The BBC can be very informative. Last night’s One Show told us that D-Day was the biggest invasion in history, which I didn’t know. I thought the 4 million immigrants who came here under the 1997-2010 Labour tyranny was a bigger invasion, with the Red Army’s invasion of Nazi Germany coming a close 2nd.

  19. 19
    Barak Obama says:

    Seeing all you English folks ordering ‘hot pot’ in a pub makes me laugh.

  20. 20
    Will says:

    3 daily papers to gout of business in many cases if thier owners did not subsidise them it could easily happen. Also a few Scottish dalies are not making money. The independant could easily collapse if financial support ditto the telegraph. So could the daily star. The question is that even if it did happen I doubt if the readers would migrate in the same numbers to the rest of the papers remaining. So you could lose a few daily papers but with negligible increase on sales for the remaining papers.

  21. 21
    fhip says:

    Nice to know that even rusbridger knows both the problem and the solution to the monopolistic elephant currently screwing the taxpayer to support it’s left wing views.
    Can we have a referendum please on the tv tax and call the bastards bluff as to their onesided view that everyone loves them?
    Thought not!

  22. 22
    Austin Tash says:

    Robert Peston: BBC follows the Daily Mail’s lead too much

    BBC News is “completely obsessed” by the agenda set by newspapers and follows the lead of the Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph too much, according to senior journalist Robert Peston.


  23. 23
    Scottish Voter says:

    In Scotland the BBC is the media wing of the Labour Party. It’s the main reason that Scottish Labour are not yet defunct.
    Unfortunately their blatent bias has gone too far,they have just hired a sitting Labour MSP to front a new political TV programme Kezza Dugdale. Their bias is so obvious now,that up here no one believes a word they say anymore.

  24. 24
    Farage The Fud says:

    Good! The abolition of licence fee is a vote winner. Just about everyone is fed up with the BBC and its left wing bullshit and that the fact that it uses criminal means to up their profits. The BBC is NOT answerable to licence fee payers anymore. They do not even bother to answer your complaints.

  25. 25
    Willh says:

    Auntie’s got dementia, sitting in her soiled pants in the corner, prattling on about Stephen Lawrence. She’s an embarrassment.

  26. 26
    The British media are cunts says:

    The bummers are turning on each other.

  27. 27
    EeeYepBlowing Whistles says:

    The narcissisism of the whole ‘media world’ and two-bit journo’s – knows no bounds.

    Off with their ‘Mastheads’ – fucking pirates the lot of em.

  28. 28
    The British media are cunts says:

    Save us all £200 a year before tax

  29. 29
    Will says:

    The bbc does too much many of its programmes on bbc3 are repeats and could easily be put on iplayer. The same goes for many of its radio stations such as 1 extra etc they can all be put on iplayer for download. The man who the bbc recently sacked because he played a song containing the n word his programme was prerecorded so could be put on iplayer for download. In the case of bbc local radio you could from midnight to 6 am just have 1 station covering the lot rather than different local stations as the lose ing figures are so low. The only problem is the local radio management who would object.

  30. 30
    Scottish Voter says:

    There are no Scottish Daily papers,only English owned regionals.That’s why the Independence debate is so scewed in favour of the Union.
    The hope was that a neutral BBC would redress this imbalance,but they’re the most biased of the lot.

  31. 31
    Edna in Clapham says:

    That’s Peston for you. He knows what he says isn’t true but like most lefties he’s trying to pull the double bluff and impregnate our minds with untruths and lies.

    He knows the BBC is left wing but he is trying his best to persuade us it’s not.

    These people are pathetic.

  32. 32
    Johnny says says:

    “Elsewhere this week, Harriet Harman raised the possibility that Labour would support the abolition of the licence fee. Auntie’s friends are turning on her…”

    Harman’s position is that the way the BBC is funded can be questioned but the BBC itself will not be touched – so she’d want to fund it out of general taxation or via some other fee (a broadband tax perhaps?) while still having it being about half the telly and radio market.

  33. 33
    Roland Deschain says:

    Or regular plugs on programmes like Today?

  34. 34
    Will says:

    For the tv and newspaper industry the golden days are over. No more fat expense lunches for them in future as newspapers are no longer a licence to print money and barely make any money. The guardian has managed to only keep afloat in the future because of its sale of a used car business. In other areas it has managed to lose money. The bbc has expanded its output like a conquering army but is now forced like the Roman Empire to look at the cost of maintaining this reach, it’s cost base is rising but its income is static and likely to fall as more young people go via the Internet or download. The future looks bleak for the bbc and it will have to bite the bullet and shut down some of its tv and radio stations and stream them digitally

  35. 35
    John Bellingham says:

    Did you know that at the time of the Indian Mutiny, there were 120,000 Europeans in the whole of the Indian subcontinent of whom around 40,000 were military. There are now about 5.1 million people of South Asian ancestry in England and Wales (excluding illegals).

  36. 36
    Will says:

    Thanks for clarifying that.

  37. 37
    Will says:

    The bbc also has a problem in that free licences for the over 80,s is likely to increase in future so in multigenerational households you will have no licence fees payable. So less income in future as the young use the Internet or downloads.

  38. 38
    Static income on a downward trajectory says:

    How many of them diverse folks the BBC love actually pay the licence fee?
    If immigrants failing to pay road tax is anything to go by,none of them.

  39. 39
    Stick 'em up. This is the BBC says:

    It ranks up there with living off the immoral earnings of prostitutes and drug-dealing. In his desperation to create any appearance of economic activity, Osborne will now include all these nefarious activities as part of our GDP. Of course, they will all be assessed to tax under schedule DII. And woe betide anyone found to be mitigating their liability to tax.

  40. 40
    táxpáyér says:

    Or a tax on letterboxes to fund entertaining and informative mailshots from the state.

    Don’t like it just don’t get a letterbox!

  41. 41

    God but that Evans is a nauseating little poof

  42. 42
    táxpáyér says:

    >It ranks up there with living off the immoral earnings of prostitutes and drug-dealing

    BBC is far more immoral.

  43. 43
    Norman Normal says:

    Good to know that with 3500 employees and £350 million budget BBC news can’t get anything right.
    Most other news organisations provide better services with a fraction of the staff and money the BBC requires.

  44. 44
    Oh, really? says:

    And now the BBC cancel all subscriptions to the Guardian. Ooops.

  45. 45
    Norman Normal says:

    They don’t do comedy, it’s not funny, just awkward musings.

  46. 46
    Bert says:

    Don’t pay, then. It’s easy not to.

  47. 47
    I love my other aunties says:

    Half of the circulation of the Grauniad ends up on a BBC desk anyway. Possibly.

  48. 48
    Norma Stitz says:

    i’ve just turned off the utterly, dire ‘celebration’ on the beach at Normandy. Poor old nonagenarians wilting in blazing heat while that fuckwit Hollande recites the whole history of WW2, with homosexual dancers in the background ‘acting’ it out. Her Maj with a fixed smile of agony, Obama resorting to chewing gum, Putin scowling. not a BBC production, but they are assailing us with the lot. Looking at some of the old boys, that beach is likely to claim a few more of them before the flatulent circus finishes.

  49. 49
    Norma Stitz says:

    Every time i decide the Beeb is useless they surprise me with something superb in the drama field – eg Happy Valley, Broadchurch.

  50. 50
    Jack the Ripper says:

    BBC to send 300 people to Glastonbury.

    “It’s YOUR BBC.”

  51. 51
    Anonymous says:

    I pay my licence fee, but for all the TV I watch nowadays it basically amount to a lot of money just to watch repeats of QI and top gear while I’m doing my ironing once a week.

  52. 52
    ed milliband/nick clegg/david cameron says:

    The eu is forcing him to count immoral earnings in the gdp.do some research open your eyes and vote Ukip

  53. 53
    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    The irony is, that Labour’s core vote hate paying the licence fee. Forcing them to pay for middle class, metropolitan PC crap won’t help Labour win back the white working class.
    A perfect storm awaits the BBC. Tories hating them politically, Labour unable and unwilling to defend them. Looks like only Lib-dums will help them…oh wait a second..

    The licence fee is offensive in every way and good riddance to it.

  54. 54
    Glasgow Council is the new Boardwalk Empire says:

    Oh come come, its not as if a senior BBC presenter and her family went on holiday with the then Labour first minister and his family shorly before the presenters husband got the contract to make the official film about the opening if the Scottish Parliament.

  55. 55
    lefty says:

    Have you ever spoken to a lefty. Online doesn’t count.

  56. 56
    Anonymous says:

    If the Beeb went out of business The Guardian’s circulation would collapse.

  57. 57
    Ashford says:

    Best comment ever! (So far)

  58. 58
    Anonymous says:

    I think you will find Broadchurch was on ITV.

  59. 59
    Free Markets - Funded by The Taxpayer says:

    Never mind this garbage, isn’t it rather more important to get private companies out of the NHS so they stop killing babies?

  60. 60
    (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

    Iceland has seven newspapers with a population slightly more than Croydon!

  61. 61
    Mine d'Boggles says:

    Not entirely sure that the licence fee is a “bummer” – just think of the alternative. I suspect it is wall-to-wall adverts. The BBC is a propoganda outfit, for sure, but it makes very good programmes. The trick is to continue with what is good, whilst cutting out the unsubtle and intrusive lefty politics.

  62. 62
    Andy Burn'em says:

    Too right, calm down, it’s the state who should do the killing, eh, eh, eh.

  63. 63
    Scrap the licence fee says:

    I love it that Labour are now turning on the BBC.

  64. 64
    Barco O'Bummer says:

    Dude, it’s like heinous when some Englisher asks for a plate of faggots!

  65. 65
    Scrap the licence fee says:

    The licence fee must go. The BBC as it is, is too big and too powerful, no matter which direction their bias is or may go in.

    The licence fee is the key to solving the problem. The BBC is anyway largely commercial – it just needs to go down that road completely.

  66. 66
    DCL says:

    The BBC is full of adverts already……………plugs for their own shows. Listened to Radio 2 the other day whilst I was decorating; heard the very same ‘advert’ four times in 5 hours along with loads of other trails for other programmes and channels.

  67. 67
    Tim Yeo-Yo says:

    Do you not think they’ll quickly get rid of the lefty bollox and concentrate on decent programming if they have to start working for a living?

  68. 68
    Tim Yeo-Yo says:

    Don’t ask Evan if you can “bum a fag.” He only smokes cok, not ciggies.

  69. 69
    Tom Catesby. says:

    Harperson, ‘raising the possibility that labour would support the abolition of the licence fee’. Showing a ‘bit of leg’, I’ve gone and made myself feel quite poorly now.

  70. 70
    Bob cuntface Crow says:

    Havnt paid in over thirty years,probably sent me a good part of the Amazon in letters,just bin em.

  71. 71
    Bob cuntface Crow says:

    Yasmin Alibabar Brown said today the BBC is unbiased and it would be a travesty if it was made private. Stupid C unt.

  72. 72
    Let them eat cake says:

    You only have to watch a couple of hours of tv to see that there is patent over supply going on. The dumbing down has passed well beyond the point of satire. I wouldn’t want to lose bbc radio 3 though, as it is still authoritative, diverse and sensible. Bbc radio 4 is infected but not yet wholly zombified. Bbc tv is mainly dross with pockets of excellence. Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater …

  73. 73
    Bob cuntface Crow says:

    They do now and again make good stuff,Brillos not bad and the world cup coverage will be better than ITV,but the fee and risk of prison is a fucking disgrace .

  74. 74
    The Nonfunctioning Health Service says:

    Why is a private company going to kill a future customer, you idiot?

  75. 75
    Customer Service says:

    The BBC, like the NHS is yet another lefty mafia.

    Would you buy food at a state-run supermarket?

    Would you pay tax for a government agency to organise your social life?!

  76. 76
    inevitable demographics says:

    Just wait for all the muscle memory labour voters to die out, along with the protestansts in ulster.

  77. 77
    inevitable demographics says:

    Good lad… Every avalanche starts with a snowflake…

  78. 78
    Just Saying. says:

    TV TAX is not stealthy.

  79. 79
    Just Saying. says:

    With friends like Harriet Harperson who needs enemies.

  80. 80
    inevitable demographics says:

    I would describe it as crude studenty political lectures and bullying, thinly disguised as comedy by “diversity” numbers.

  81. 81
    Just Saying. says:


  82. 82
    Just Saying. says:

    Well she would say this as she would lose her audience as she is a luvvie of the BBC.

  83. 83
    Disgusted of Londonistan says:

    Hey Barak why don’t you stop chewing gum at important national events.
    Twitter is rampant on calling you an oaf doing it at the D Day celebrations.
    They are even offering you a coke and hot dog.

  84. 84
    a scot says:

    We don’t want Scots Balkanising the Celtic archipelago and having the map filled and bought out by Yanks and Chiggers on the whim of some useless weird podgy lefty council leader that fancies himself a president of a small european country with a rich and ancient culture he’s anxious to destroy with further mass immigration.
    We don’t need the country fucked up any more, we need it unfucked, and fast.

  85. 85
    internet killed television star says:

    No, tv is dead… It’s the internet that is killing tv and newspapers.
    It’s not even a question of just the licence fee any more, but of axing all tv, and using the airwaves for more wifi and rf applications.
    You don’t need someone to choose a schedule for you – you can DIY.

  86. 86
    Gee Whizz says:

    The BBC have only recently been quoting the DM and then on very minor topics or to belittle them.
    (Pest)on is an inarticulate idiot spouting rubbish daily, which is why he is constantly on BBC.
    Loved it this morning when Marr was “intorrogating” Christine Legarde when she admitted underestimating UK growth, and when he persisted with his stupid attack she incredulously asked him whether she should get down on her knees.

  87. 87
    internet killed television star says:

    Yeah, if it were a pick n mix subscription, bbc radio 3 might come out surprisingly well, as it is a genuinely globally unique product, and by far the only good thing left with bbc name on it – though they’ve done their best to try and ruin the proms and infect r3 with irrelevant an inappropriate junk.

  88. 88
    Anonymous says:

    bbc programming is ok on par with other producers.

    bbc news and journalism is generally on par with other tv news. which is pants quite honest. people who watch 24 hr news are the stupid. the same 3 meaningless stories repeated every 15 minutes and employing countless people to do it.

    with this in mind, I don’t understand the justification for having a monopoly state producer that provides the same content as every other producer.

    the only possible answer is it is a device for controlling the population.

  89. 89
    Hmmm says:

    The only useful thing about the BBC poll tax is that in defending it, middle class leftists betray their true nature, which is seen to be both ruthlessly selfish and lacking in self-awareness.

  90. 90
    Klaus Wondertits says:

    No sign of Frau Merkel dropping in by parachute then, a la Her Maj at the Olympics, to piss on their parade?

  91. 91
    Anonymous says:

    Yes I agree.

    I much prefer to be tied into an eighteen month contract with Sky and then
    fork out on top for ‘ Premier Sports Events ‘ such as Beach Volleyball and
    Knackersley United versus Wensleydale Wanderers epic Yorkshire clash in the Ferret and Whippet 5th division sponsored by Evostik – Only £5!

    Pure class and unlike the BBC who’s remit is to inform and entertain Sky does non of that and is well worth the money justifiably.

    p.s Noel Edmonds probably agrees with me too.

    Mr Blobby – sheer genius.

  92. 92
    TJ says:

    Youdo however choose to take that contract. You know what you’re signing up for and can cancel it ( outside of the minimums i agree )

    You tried cancelling your Beeb Tax lately?

    Have you ever had someone from Sky knocking on your door threatening to take you to court if you don’t pay for them even if you don’t watch them? The answer, of course, is no. Sky don’t have the legal power to demand with threat of menaces the right to 150 quid of yours annually.

  93. 93
    TJ says:

    The abortion law brought in legally and performed with relish by the NHS and its “charitable” friends has that covered for ya already. No need to worry about private enterprise there!

  94. 94
    TJ says:

    Well as i always say to Hattie and Mr Hattie.. you can’t have your PIE and eat it.

  95. 95
    TJ says:

    If they pass the laws so that “mental cruelty” is a thing with kids then expect the Social Services Mental Anguish tribunala to make a bloody good stab at running your life from cradle to voter age.

  96. 96
    TJ says:

    As long as poeple are earning money socialist will never run out….. and if they do then enjoy your turnips and collective farming retreats.

  97. 97
    Voice of reason says:

    The editor should be done for treason for publishing all that Snowdon stuff and compromising 100’s of decent people trying to keep our country safe,but then again he is a mongrel from Eastern Europe .so hey-ho

  98. 98
    Go home now says:

    Uganda is perfectly safe now – so why doesn’t she just bugger off back where she came from, especially as she seems to dislike this place so much.

  99. 99
    Madame Journodummy says:

    Oi, don’t you talk to me like that! WTF do you think you are?

  100. 100
    Porrij says:

    So vote YES then – simple!

  101. 101
    Porrij says:

    You won’t catch Herr Jonker doing that. He just told Dave so, so it must be true.

  102. 102
    Anonymous says:

    “We Need the BBC to Go Out of Business”
    As the Beeb are now more lapdog than watchdog. In the scramble to secure their survival against political onslaught, rather than fulfil their essential primary purpose. What’s left to lose? Their future needs to be rendered immune to political maladministration.

  103. 103
    absolutelypassionate says:

    I have. They tend to have a rather glazed expression, like Moonies.
    That turns to incandescent rage if you mention the concept of individual responsibility.

    It’s got to be the biggest cult movement that ever afflicted humanity.

  104. 104
    English Accountant says:

    Good point.

    When does our mutiny start?

    Astonishing that such a small number faced down the mutineers. The Mem-Sahibs of the Raj had more balls than the hand wringing bed-weters we have nagging and nannying us day in day out today.

  105. 105
    NE Frontiersman says:

    Recalling Nixon’s immortal reply when Krushchev asked who organised the USA’s obviously efficient bread distribution, I like to ask my more lefty friends why we don’t have a National Bread Service for such a vital essential.

    I’d be tempted by a National Beer Service, but for the reflection that we’d all end the day stone cold sober.

    ‘Would you pay tax for a government agency to organise your social life?!’

    My Council paid £1.5 million to mark the Olympics with fireworks and pop concerts; the cash was entrusted to the Coop, whom we all think of first when it’s time to party, especially in light of its fun-loving chief. Perhaps surprisingly, the events did actually take place. It only cost the closure of two libraries to pay for it.

  106. 106
    NE Frontiersman says:

    Local government job adverts. Their online ‘Local Government Heroes’ coverage lives in a smug parallel universe of delusional narcissism. The last piece was a discussion about how to stop corruption in local government, which after a nano-second of hope that some reality had kicked in turned out to be about bogus benefit claims and fake blue badges, not the millions they waste and steal.

  107. 107
    ajersbog says:

    He seems, well a bit mental.

  108. 108
    Impartial in my bias says:

    OK, the generic BBC programming is Lame, peaking at OK. It’s when the ‘Guests’ and Political Review programs raise their Medusa Heads that the BBC shows it true underbelly. Question Time, Dateline London, The Daily Politics, etc are a fucking joke. Two weeks ago, when the ncut Dimbledoor said “OK, how many UKIP voters do we have?”, and there were 4-5 hands raised in the audience, did we see their true plan in FACT. Just FOI how QT selects its audiences. That’ll tell you the truth. Of course, the BBC will obfuscate any findings (purely to hide its own ass). THIS, and THIS ALONE is enough to get rid of an alleged ‘Impartial’ State Broadcaster.

  109. 109
    Anonymous says:

    What’s the Daily Record then?

  110. 110
    Tom Catesby says:

    Just think, if we’d all been luckier, Idi might have eaten her.

  111. 111
    Tom Catesby says:

    Good point re: ‘comedy’ on the beeb. It seems to have been replaced by panels of self regarding arses on so called ‘quiz’ shows and always the usual suspects, who seem to use these things as a platform for their own ridiculous points of view and personal hobby horses, none of which are remotely clever or amusing. That tedious drivel, ‘QI’ is an example of the kind of trash we are subjected to. Should have been mercifully put down years ago, along with that national ‘lovie’ S. Fry and his talentless friend Davis.

  112. 112
    Tom Catesby says:

    I am inclined to agree with regard to Baracco Barner. Not done, ought to know better at such events. Although, I don’t suppose anybody was overly concerned, who was chewing gum on the beaches on D-Day.

  113. 113
    TheBBChatesNortherners says:

    Happy Valley was a good drama, but — typical of the BBC’s attitude to the North — it depicted the Calder Valley as an utter shithole, full of druggies and murderous psychos. They filmed some scenes opposite my house and showed what is actually a lovely and quiet social housing estate, lived in by very decent people, as a slum where residents had cannabinoid psychosis and had to be forcibly sectioned by police with the obligatory car on blocks outside.

    And the accents were shit.

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