May 9th, 2014

Labour Have Got VAT Wrong Before

Not only did Labour screw up their VAT attack on the Tories today, they also made exactly the same mistake back in 2010. Then Shadow Chancellor Alan Johnson gaffed on live TV:

“Imagine knocking on the doors on the Gipsyville estate saying yeah, your child trust fund’s gone and your child benefit’s frozen and your jobs have gone and you’re paying more for your food because of the hike in VAT.”

Given not knowing that almost all food is exempt from VAT cost Johnson his job, who’s going to take the fall this time?


95 Comments

  1. 1
    Rickytshirt says:

    This is what happens when you have too much intellectual self-confidence.

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    • 8
      Grammar School Boy says:

      aka hubris.

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    • 10
      Nigel Farage says:

      2Given not knowing that almost all food is exempt from VAT cost Johnson his job, who’s going to take the fall this time?”

      Chuka Umunna should. He’s either lying to the people about vat or he’s pig ignorant.

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    • 19
      Unfit to govern says:

      Not knowing the mechanics of VAT makes a party totally unfit to govern the country. Will the BBC bang on about this like they did a Bible reading Conservative local councillor who joined UKIP?

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      • 66
        The Critic says:

        This is deliberate. They are counting on a % of the great unwashed not having a f***ing clue about VAT and hoping it sticks in theior minds. This lot would make local councillors look like master politicians

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    • 78
      Anonymous says:

      He was probably spending too much time with his favourate civil servant

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    • 79
      The BBC says:

      Ah, the so-called Food Tax

      (only so-called by the latest Labour Party press release, but we’ll obediently repeat it)

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  2. 2
    Havocman says:

    No-one. Because the ad will be swept under the table, they will continue with their bullshit and the 36% will continue to vote for them.

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  3. 3
    The British Bollox Corp says:

    Bollox Guido…what about all the contributors to food. Transportation, Farm Vehicles, Storage & Logistics, Fertilisers, Labour (not the gov f*ck wits). Next – tax the fecking rain!

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    • 20
      purveyor_of_turds says:

      they claim it back farmers, logistics pay no VAT

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    • 63
      Escaped Scouser says:

      Businesses can claim back VAT.

      Like, duh!

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      • 69
        John Bellingham says:

        I made a fair few bob when VAT was introduced in South Africa in the early 1990s with formal and informal lectures to business. The most difficult concept to get over was the idea of “input VAT” vs “output VAT”, something that is rarely understood by those who don’t actually have to fill in a VAT return. The Asian community however grasped the concept immediately. For about a year after the introduction there was a huge upsurge of new businesses that purchased hundreds of thousands of rands worth of capital equipment, claimed the VAT and then went bust.

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  4. 4
    Alfonse Mango says:

    Labour are so weak their own attack ads end up damaging them.

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    • 58
      still walking into darkness says:

      Alan whathisname, to be fair was as a former postman massivelt more qualified than George Osborne to be Chancellor. I’m sure the world markets would have recognised his towering intellect and formidable presence. How the f*ck do we let people like this get anywhere near the keys. Someone will be telling me Chukka will be in line to be Business Secretary next.

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  5. 5
    sometime I wonder, then I think who cares says:

    But when your a rich socialist, who is expensed by the taxpayer, would you care if food was taxed or not, as far as Liebour MPs are concerned it’s not about food being taxed, it’s not having the knowledge about it being taxed as they don’t pay or others get the food for them.

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  6. 6
    Kevin Bollox says:

    Alan Johnson is just a thick postie – wasn’t he the one whose wife was getting shagged senseless by the bodyguard ? Maybe wee Alan could not get it up. Now who is shagging whom on the Liebore front bench – taking their mind off the bollocks being spouted by their intellectually self confident leader….

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  7. 7
    Genghiz the kahn says:

    Car Crash interview with Yvette Cooper in 2009.

    Didn’t she make some absurd points about VAT changes when VAT went up? Can’t find the details…yet.

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    • 13
      Piers Morgan says:

      She does look nice in that vid shame she set the bar so low even Balls could flop over it.

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      • 81
        broderick crawford says:

        Probably needed an even shorter haircut to stop the golden locks getting into her eyes Take tonsorial tips from Phil Mitchell methinks .

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    • 33
      joolz says:

      just think where that mouth has been

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  8. 9
    Answers on a postcard says:

    Whose pushing for a ‘fat tax’ on the food most people eat on the Gipysville estate?

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  9. 11
    Steve Miliband says:

    Why don’t they iron out some VAT anomolies? I know what about adding VAT on Pasties? That should work.

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    • 15
      Nigel Farage says:

      VAT is controlled by Brussels. National governments have little say in it.

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      • 34
        Trolling for points says:

        Indeed, it’s like Labour adjusted without approval from the Euros.

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    • 16
      Greggs Customer says:

      I stopped keeping my pastie warm under my armpit for fear of having to pay VAT.

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      • 28
        Greggs Shareholder says:

        Shut up! Every time someone says “pasties” the Greggs share price plummets.

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        • 59
          Lord Mandlebum says:

          Did someone say Pastis?

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          • broderick crawford says:

            Pastis far too tame for you .

            I think you’ve probably now graduated to the absynthe Lord Peter Whimsical .

            I understand McManse tried it on his first night off in thirteen years and true to legend it sent him mad in eight hours .

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  10. 14
    C O (Ξ7s1) says:

    They have no excuse to get this sort of thing wrong.

    Google ‘VAT on food UK’ and the HMRC docs come right up – detailed, and the ‘for dummies’ version.

    UKIP would not have made a mistake like this once, let alone, twice.

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  11. 17
    I've never met an intelligent Welshman says:

    Fancy that, Labour haven’t got a clue when it comes to tax and the economy!

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    • 77
      Just Saying. says:

      If New aka Old aka Corrupt Liebor pushed for beer VAT in pubs to be reduced from current 20% whereas for supermarkets it is zero; they may have a winning Milibandwaggon.

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    • 84
      broderick crawford says:

      NON EXISTENT INTELLIGENT WELSHMAN SAYS .

      I agree with you daibac. How else could Plaid Cymru register THIRTEEN percent in a national poll !

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  12. 21

    I thought not keeping his whore wife under control cost him his job?

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    • 46
      John Bellingham says:

      That is a disgraceful comment. Whores charge money and are thus professionals in the best tradition of trade and commerce.–it is sluts that do it for free.

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      • 60

        I apologise… I forgot it was Bercow who has the uncontrollable whore wife… I shall rewrite…

        Didn’t Brick Top lose his job because he couldn’t keep his slut wife under control?

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      • 85
        broderick crawford says:

        MS BIERE-VACHE SAYS

        Hello?

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    • 65
      Anonymous says:

      If that is the case ,Biscuit,then it has provided the precedent for ridding us of the present Speaker.

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  13. 22
    Chuka the little englander says:

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  14. 23
    Anonymous says:

    It’s zero rated, not exempt. There is a difference. You got it right first time.

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    • 55
      A big difference says:

      Ask any farmer who is registered for vat. having his produce zero rated and his vat costs reclaimable works out very nicely.

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  15. 24
    rustygecko says:

    In fact VAT hikes have had an effect on food prices, as VAT is not directly on the food itself but effects all inputs from animal feeds, fertilisers and freight costs.

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    • 31
      purveyor_of_turds says:

      99.9% of farms are vat registered which means they pay vat however reclaim any vat paid on purchases. hauliers also reclaim their vat and if the final product is food – no vat is charged.

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    • 61
      Throg says:

      Which are all reclaimable – that’s how an ad valorem tax with zero rating at the end works – it all comes out in the wash.

      Do keep up!

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  16. 25
    Tax cut for millionaires says:

    Im not sure what is worse, this or the fact that Labour think anyone earning over £150,000 is a millionaire.

    Labour cant add up or count.

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  17. 26
    Nick Clegg says:

    Best stick to slagging me off in future lads.

    FREE SCHOOL MEALS FOR EVERYONE IN THE WORLD.

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  18. 27
    Ockham's Razor says:

    Is his two fingered salute directed at the electorate?

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  19. 30
    John Prescott says:

    When that fine example of towering intellect Diana Abbott isn’t available they put Alan Johnson on the ‘This Week’ sofa instead.
    By heck feel the quality lad.

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  20. 32
    nell says:

    +++Laugh+++

    to be a fly on the wall in their office this afternoon! They’re passing blame round like pass the parcel – it’s not my fault blame him – no it’s not my fault blame… on and on ad nauseum

    Or militwit and edballs saying ‘well you couldn’t expect us to know there’s no vat on food. All of our expenses including food are paid for by the taxpayer we don’t care whether it has vat on it or not, it doesn’t us a penny’

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    • 37
      C O (Ξ7s1) says:

      They could try and pin this on Axelrod.

      VAT is slightly different to sales tax, but I do not think he has been with them long enough to get involved with this cock up.

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    • 41
      Labour demonstrates it's grip(or lack of it) on the economy says:

      It’s likely that “Wee Dougie” Alexander will take the fall. He’s Labour’s Campaign Supremo and presumably had to sign off on this ? Just like the attack on the “Clunky” Un-Credible Shrinking Clegg” video ? Unless of course he’s outside the loop and Axelrod is now making the decisions ? The campaign poster was highlighted on Daily Politics Show and Neill said that Labour had declined to put anyone up to defend it. However he also said that DoglasAlexander was the guest on Sunday Daily Politics and he would be putting it to him then…unless “Wee Dougie” cries off of course

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      • 54
        Wee Wee Dougie says:

        Sorry Andrew, but I’ve just been told I am washing my hair this
        Sunday morning…….& it may take a long time to dry as I’m using
        this new Ax*leDi*ck Shampoooo which is very expensive & of course
        all charged to expenses…..what else……

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    • 64
      Bruce and Sheila from Waggawagga says:

      Nell, as a well educated pensioner, you should know the word is nauseAm (not to be confused with museUm).

      However, we’ll forgive the typo this time.

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  21. 36
    Genghiz the kahn says:

    Ed Balls owns up.

    http://www.edballs.co.uk/blog/?p=5096

    Didn’t think that he would play the Don’t You Know Who I Am Card.

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    • 47
      Gavin says:

      He’s got more points on his licence than Chris Huhne.

      He’s reckless and slow to admit a mistake. Sadly we’ve seen the results in government already. Quite why Labour think he’s the right man for Shadow Chancellor is a mystery. I suspect he has compromising photos of Ed Miliband.

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  22. 38
    LibLabCon says:

    Grant Schapps simply smiles and lies.

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  23. 39
    Sir Bentley Pauncefoot (deceased) says:

    I understand that the VAT error started in America.

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  24. 40
    Gavin says:

    Slapstick stuff, they’re almost as gaff-prone as UKIP and that’s saying something.

    The “shrinking Clegg” ad, the cackhanded rent control announcement and now this, Labour aren’t working hard on the detail. Amateurs.

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    • 44
      The most amusing claim ever says:

      That’s what you get when you employ a “yank” to try and replicate his “success” here in UK.USA campaign tactics simply don’t translate in to UK.

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  25. 43
    Jack Ketch says:

    Before 2010 many MPs were habitually claiming £400 per month “groceries” on expenses. We became aware of this as many claims included things like dog food and, for one male Labour MP, panty-liners and vaginal cream. Since 2010 MPs with a main home outside of London have been able to claim £25 per day “subsistence allowance”, even without a calculator one can see that on a 4 day Parliamentary week that works out at £400 per month; better than jobseeker’s allowance of $288 per month or basic State pension of $113.10 per week that has to pay for everything.
    If you don’t live in the real world, it is quite easy to make an absolute tit of yourself.

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  26. 48
    Philagain says:

    Because of these tory Tossers – my foodbill has gone up to nearly £200 a month.
    My electric bill is now nearly £10 a week!….my landlord is asking for an extra fiver a week or another blowjob! There are mushrooms growing on the walls and cockroaches under the fridge. These bloody torus make me and my boyfriend live in squalor and won’t help me by a Hoover.These torys are a disgrace and are all homophobic racists!

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    • 91
      Philagain says:

      Why don’t all you tory c0k suckers all just go and die!
      It’s YOUR fault that the country is on its arse and my town is full of vermin and rats too.
      I like Owen jones and am going to vote for him when he’s old enough to be a MP!
      You all make me sick! Racist homophobes!

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    • 93
      In A Flap says:

      But Philagain, haven’t you just inherited a large property in spain which you cheated your brother out of and omitted to tell the benefits people about, let alone the taxman.

      Wouldn’t that make you a benefits cheat?????

      why shoudl the taxpayer buy you anything when you have hundreds of thousands stashed away overseas.

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  27. 50
    Ned Ludd says:

    Did he really say that his electorate lived on ‘Gypsyville Estate’? Cheeky barsteward!

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    • 52
      The BBC speaks to the nation says:

      Good job he doesn’t work for the BBC with such racist talk

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      • 75
        Anonymong says:

        Eeny meeny miney mo

        Catch a beeboid by his toe.

        If a peado, let him go.

        Eeny meeny miney mo.

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  28. 51
    Ed, the younger of the well-known Miliband brothers says:

    My thought processes are also zero-rated for VAT

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  29. 53
    SIZE 15 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    VAT is the bureaucrats dream tax, it enables them to poke their socialist snouts into every aspect of a business down to paper clips, coffee and biscuits and all the small day to day expenditure, it takes whole armies of them to administer it, creating thousands of non jobs for their pals and takes up hours of time , much of the revenue being absorbed in the cost of collection.

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  30. 56
    Winston says:

    Just saw Cameron on Sky saying he’s is very happy for the State to raid individual’s bank accounts to recover unpaid tax over £1k. This is going to effect tens of thousands of people who have had their child benefit removed, for example.

    Why is so called libertarian, Guido, silent about this?

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  31. 57
    The Stilton Eater says:

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  32. 67
    The Guido Fawkes correction service. says:

    VAT is chargeable on food.

    Thick Fuckers

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    • 80
      jgm2 says:

      Only the kind of food Labour voters eat. Takeaways, cook-from-frozen meals, frozen pizzas, fizzy pop and Sunny D.

      Raw ingredients such as vegetables, fruit, meat, milk etc are zero-rated ie no VAT. But Labour voters don’t buy that sort of stuff.

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      • 92
        Philagain says:

        We can’t afford to cook you ignorant nazi! By the time my boyfriend has peeled the POTATOS and carrots, cleaned out the pan and put the hob on its cheaper to buy a pizza from the local alal takeaway! We all can’t afford to buy proper food you nazi bigot! I HATE you tory scum!

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  33. 74
    Oh, really? says:

    Unless Labour has plans to put VAT on food?

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  34. 76
    Wee Dougie says:

    It’s time Axelrod was greased ye ken.

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  35. 86
    Thostids says:

    Sounds like a typical “hit and run” by Ed ‘the Balls’ Balls.

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  36. 87
    Georgie Osborne's Blue and White Army says:

    Is that copper still screwing his wife ?

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  37. 88
    Jerakeen says:

    What do you expect when you make a postman shadow chancellor?

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  38. 90
    Anonymous says:

    “Labour Have Got VAT Wrong Before”
    Maybe they need some advice, from those who can’t make Amazon pay their way. By placing a tax on the payments of customers, and requiring that company to collect it for them.

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  39. 94
    Anonymous says:

    Chocolate hob nobs are VAT rated, that’s why so many MPs have to put them on expenses. In fact just about anything with chocolate in.

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  40. 95
    Paul Dickinson says:

    The rate of VAT on most food is Zero % – it’s not exempt, the EU back in the day in 74 when it was introduced weren’t happy about that. Zero rate at least means that VAT incurred by traders dealing in food are registered and can reclaim VAT they are charged.
    VAT is charged though on such essentials as cookers, fridges and beds – nuts.

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