May 7th, 2014

Scottish Sketch: Never Again a Labour Government in Britain

On the great Scottish question, the pro-Independents are getting very clever and persistent support from the anti-Independents.

This latter group dominated Scottish questions this morning, telling us that a vote for independence will result in a two-level downgrade by Moody’s, Scotland will be bounced out of sterling and abandoned by the Bank of England, a border effect will disrupt trade and cost Scottish households £2,000 apiece, their fishing industry will collapse, their 8 per cent deficit will balloon, growth will fail, they won’t be able to print their own money in time, business will flee south, and the country will enter into a perpetual Caledonian darkness sustained only by alcohol-free haggis.

All this strategic threatening comes mainly from the Government benches, and began, as Pete Wishart noted, with George Osborne’s “Sermon on the Pound”. This was supposed “to bring Scotland fearfully back into line”.

Naturally, it gave a tremendous fillip to the Braveheart Tendency in Scotland’s medieval psychology. Support for Independence has soared and now there is a real possibility Scotland will no longer be able to send us 60 Labour MPs. Never again a Labour Government in Britain.

Quite what a loss that would be we’ll see from PMQs (next).


132 Comments

  1. 1

    I’d compound that, as War Secretary, by “discouraging socialist parties from standing in elections”.

    That’ll put paid to the Lib-Dems, the Greens “Comfy Plad”, the Cornoids and the Tories too (BNP already toast.)

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      táxpáyér says:

      Heir to Blair is still PM.

      Dave’s continuity Labour.
      Osbourne’s still writing 100 billion pound cheques in your kids names.
      May’s banning people who tell the truth about islam from travelling to the UK because some people who are here illegally might get violent.

      WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE?

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        bergen says:

        Milliband would be infinitely worse.

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          táxpáyér says:

          0% effective instead of 0.000000000000000000000001% effective?

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          • Lard Presclott of Cum-upon-Tracey-Temple says:

            Guido you Berk, as with almost all Labour governments, the last three Labour governments were elected with large majorities in England alone – England got the Labour governments that England voted for.

            The figures are as follows:

            General Election 2005 England MPs:
            Labour 286
            Conservative 194
            Lib Dem 47
            Respect 1
            IKHH 1
            So, Labour majority of 43 in England alone in 2005

            General Election 2001 England MPs:
            Labour 323
            Conservative 165
            Liberal Democrat 40
            IKHH 1
            So, Labour majority of 117 in England alone in 2001

            General Election 1997 England MPs:
            Labour 329
            Conservative 165
            Lib Dem 34
            So, Labour majority of 130 in England alone in 1997

            So, as even the wilfully blind and ignorant can see from the figures, Scotland is not responsible for inflicting Labour governments on England, though England is certainly responsible for inflicting every government on Scotland.

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          Dangerous Brian says:

          Only on a scale not yet discovered.

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          • mikis says:

            And what were the total number of English votes for each party in those elections? Labour would have won far fewer English seats had the boundary system not been gerrymandered in their favour.

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          • Lard Presclott of Cum-upon-Tracey-Temple says:

            Elected governments always have fewer votes per elected MP than losing parties, it’s not down to gerrymandering – sadly the electoral map necessarily follows demographic changes rather slowly, so as Conservative votes pile up in rural constituencies fewer votes are needed to elect Labour MPs in urban areas. The fact that the most recent boundary changes have been shelved, at the behest of the lying treachery of the LibDims, is, of course, not Scotland’s fault – it’s Nick Clegg’s perfidious fault. Oh, and during the eighties and early nineties, the effect was reversed, with the Conservatives having an inbuilt advantage courtesy of the electoral system – not that Conservaties were complaining about it back then!

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          Apthorpe says:

          Not really he’d just be differnt, both Dave and Milliband will in reality both be constrained by the EU and the economic realities of the market. Both will waste your money, both will seek to give away more power to the EU. They will favour different vested interests and cronies that is all.

          The curent hype over the ‘growing’ economy is mainly that. Productivity is down and indeed worse over the period 2008 -14 than Japan’s was during the ‘lost decade’ what we see at the moment is an asset bubble in London driven by foreign buyers and a lot froth from the QE that has been recklesly used to prop up the banking sector. This is really all smoke and mirrors for the GE next year. We need a real tax cutting and state reducing Thatcherite government to get real growth going. You won’t get that from the current Conservative Party with Dave the Heathite. Vote UKIP in May and get the fight for the Conservative Party started.

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          • Apthorpe says:

            Modded by the sp_stic software again. You’d think Guido would invest in his site a bit more it’s looking very 00s these days.

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    • 46
      David Cameron says:

      so essentially we would be stuck with the Tories for ever.

      christ, how shit would that be, as bad as being stuck with Labour or the lib dems.

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    • 49
      The Tit in No. 10 - but you can call him 'Dave' says:

      One surely could sometimes be forgiven for thinking that the Lower Orders look on one as being a ‘Toff’ – whatever that means.

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      Drew Peacock says:

      I think pollsters are perhaps seeing too much in past results and applying them to comfortable predictions for 2015. Two years ago UKIP was only seen as a small irrelevant political party inhabited by such a small number of the electorate that the media and other parties could insult and ridicule with impunity. However since the last GE when UKIP polled only 3% there has been and is a fast growing resentment about immigration and our creeping loss of sovereignty to Brussels. This resentment has been transformed after Farage took apart Clegg’s arguments in the TV debates. The general public now know beyond any doubt and regardless of Cameron’s ultra spin that a) he cannot control our borders and b) he cannot deny benefits to anyone from the EU or for that matter anywhere else. They also realise that this unprecedented and uncontrollable rise in immigration has overloaded our schools social housing and NHS not to mention the fierce competition in the jobs market. Cameron has claimed in the last couple of days to have cut immigration and it is this propensity he has to assume that the electorate are stupid that turns many against his party. The Internet now is a means whereby the truth is available as never before and the political elite are exposed. Yes there may well be some who return to their old allegiances in 2015 but there is nothing to even remotely suggest that the growth of UKIP support will slow. No one even UKIP themselves were prepared for their spectacular rise in popularity or even dreamed of the possibility they could win a national election. The disregard of UKIP’s influence in the 2015 GE is I fear based more on hope than reality. If the orchestrated smear campaign is failing (which it undoubtedly is) then one could ask what would be the catalyst to turn voters against UKIP and expect them to vote for the politics they are abandoning today en-mass?
      Interesting time ahead I think.

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    Surrey Shiresman says:

    Go Scotland go!

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      Let them go says:

      Whatever happens, Salmond and the SNP are royally knackered.

      Yes – bankruptcy and humiliation.
      No – disgrace and humiliation.

      I cannot wait.

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    • 12
      Let them go says:

      Whatever happens, Salmond and the SNP are royally knackered.

      Yes – bankru’ptcy and humiliation.
      No – disgrace and humiliation.

      I cannot wait.

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      • 34
        Rob Roy says:

        You cannot dismantle the Union without a few teething troubles and unforeseen consequences.

        The point is that over a period of say 10 to 20 years two independent nations can grow side by side in a spirit of real free trade competition.

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          Waly Scott says:

          “real free trade competition”.

          That is why Cameron is wetting himself.

          Half the Ftse will have registered office addresses in Princess Street .

          If Scotland stays out of the EU, CEOs will absolutely love it. EU influence will wane.

          Just remember to get down the polling Station and vote Yes.

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        Braveheart says:

        An independent Scotland will have a GDP per head very similar to the UK at present. The remaining UK will need to think about reforming its corporation taxes as it will probably no longer be able to surcharge oil-production-related profits, which will become extraterritorial. An independent Scotland might possibly be able to afford to tax oil profits more lightly.
        To the extent that Scotland has a public sector deficit problem, it’s the same problem as in the rest of the UK and it is of the same magnitude relative to population.
        So that would be “No – Disgrace, Bankruptcy and Humiliation” then?

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        Braveheart says:

        If Scotland faces bankruptcy outside the UK, then it must also face bankruptcy inside the UK. England, Wales and Northern Ireland are all net takers from the common treasury. We are no worse than you are in this respect and at least we will still have some basis for taxing corporate oil profits. The rest of the UK will not be able to do this, as it would mean levying extra taxes based on a part of the value chain which lies outside their territory.

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    • 28
      Grammar School Boy says:

      ALL Conservatives ought to recommend Scottish independence, I can’t believe Cameron’s strategy.

      After all the Irish started the ball rolling…

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    • 119
      Julian Gibb says:

      I hope so!

      I think a few posters on this site will be in for quite a shock as many think the scare stories of Better Together are true.

      rUK will lose 9.9percent of it’s income (that’s right Scotland contributes more than it’s population size). rUK will have 1.4Trillion pounds of debt a debt/GDP ratio of 112percent

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    Anonymous says:

    Don’t be a clown – Scotland has never changed the UK government.

    Check the stats.

    Good God Guido – you are getting as bad as the BBC (the news with all the truthful bits removed)

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      Eh? says:

      Oh I see – 60 Labour M.P.’s have never made a difference?

      We have never had a Labout government with less than a 60 seat majority?

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      • 23
        Anonymous says:

        Eh ? – As I said check the stats. Scotland has never returned 60 mps in modern times, Do you work for the BBC?

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        • 39
          Eh? says:

          Erm..you didn’t say that? You said the Scottish M.P.’s have never influenced which party became the government, which is clearly nonsense.

          OK – we got the numbers slightly wrong, but Scotland has sent a significant number of M.P.’s to Westminster, which has absolutely determined who the government were.

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          • Rob Roy says:

            “Scottish M.P.’s” ?

            The dinosaurs of the twenty first century!

            Vote yes for Independence and a better future free from EU hegemony.

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          • Lard Presclott of Cum-upon-Tracey-Temple says:

            No. The figures for England, alone, for the last three Labour governments are:

            General Election 2005 England MPs:
            Labour 286
            Conservative 194
            Lib Dem 47
            Respect 1
            IKHH 1
            So, Labour majority of 43 in England alone in 2005

            General Election 2001 England MPs:
            Labour 323
            Conservative 165
            Liberal Democrat 40
            IKHH 1
            So, Labour majority of 117 in England alone in 2001

            General Election 1997 England MPs:
            Labour 329
            Conservative 165
            Lib Dem 34
            So, Labour majority of 130 in England alone in 1997

            Sure, Scotland has elected Labour MPs, sadly, but this has only once or twice influenced the choice of government elected in England. Of course, Scotland also used to disproportionately elect Conservative & Unionist MPs too… the problem is with the current Conservative Party, not the Scots – the voters are always right, remember that!

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      • 37
        Bob Cheeseman says:

        Scottish votes have very rarely affected the makeup of Westminster under FPTP:

        http://wingsoverscotland.com/why-labour-doesnt-need-scotland/

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          Eh? says:

          Scotland currently sends 41 Labour M.P.’s to Westminster. Therefore, any Labour government with a majority of less than 41 would not have been in office. The numbers may have been slightly different for each election, but the principle is the same.

          This isn’t hard.

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          • Lard Presclott of Cum-upon-Tracey-Temple says:

            But the last three Labour governments had majorities larger than that, and that’s just in England:

            Labour majority of 43 in England alone in 2005
            Labour majority of 117 in England alone in 2001
            Labour majority of 130 in England alone in 1997

            In 2010 Parliament has 650 seats, 523 from England, 59 from Scotland, 40 from Wales and 18 from Northern Ireland, so it’s quite clear which home nation has far and away the largest influence on the outcome of general elections. In the main, England gets the Labour governments that England elects – not as a result of how Scotland votes.

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      ed milliband peoples representitive of doncaster says:

      would have made a difference in the last one wouldn’t it?

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      • 76
        Lard Presclott of Cum-upon-Tracey-Temple says:

        But it didn’t, precisely because England has such influence over the general election result.

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          Tim Yeo-Yo says:

          I can’t believe how stupid everyone was in the 00’s. No wonder there is collective amnesia amongst the left leaning fuktards you see today.

          It’s embarrassing.

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  4. 4
    Jock McKilt says:

    Give mae a subsidy!

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    Peter Ellis says:

    Not sure why their fishing industry would collapse. They could presumably bar foreign fishing in their waters and fish what they want to as they would no longer be bound by EU restrictions ?

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      A flower that blooms tra la la says:

      It’s all they know, scare tactics, it used to work until people found the internet and could get information from it, most people gave up with the media telling us the news years ago.

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      Anonymous says:

      They would be outside the EU, so until they can meet EU Legislation on fishing standards they will not be able to Export to the EU.

      Please note, if Scotland wants a divorce, like in any divorce the other party does not have to play fare. In fact it will be in the U.K. national interest not to play fare, can you see Wales wanting to make it easy for Scotland, Cyd Cymru have already made there position position clear on many matters I can see it will be in the Welsh interest to block Scotland on all these issues and many more.

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      • 67
        Sue Denim says:

        Play fair and pay the fare.

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      • 108
        Anonymous says:

        “Their position”. Why don’t you learn to use your own language properly!

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      • 127
        Julian Gibb says:

        …the attitude that built the Empire.

        We must extract every advantage from any political situation. How can we manipulate this to the advantage of good old blighty.

        We need more gun boats!

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        Peter Expat says:

        They can still dry their cod and flog it to the West Africans, as Norway does.

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  6. 6
    Do me another says:

    Tick tock, May tick tock September, tick tock 2015, tick tock May, pick up the pieces and throw whats left of the LibLabon merchant into the rubbish tip, the people of this country will need lot of popcorn to enjoy the destruction of the London crapperatti.

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    • 30
      WoRaft Chihuahua says:

      We could do with a countdown-diary, a nice big logo which announces 15 days to go, 14 days to go etc.

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        @hateliebour says:

        Think your right mrs WoRaft, I wonder if the Swiss cheese is still about, maybe he could do one.

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    Anonymous says:

    I do not care how mad Salmond’s plan is I wish him luck.

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      A flower that blooms tra la la says:

      The old snake oil salesman has my backing, he can’t do much wrong until he gets Scotland out of the Union

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        Dangerous Brian says:

        As much as we all realise Mr Salmond is a twat at least he is a Scottish twat, so good luck to him.
        An independent Scotland will beg to join the EU at any cost, and immediately start leaching oodles more than Barnet, via Brussels.
        If that doesnt get us out of the EUSSR, nothing will.

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          @hateliebour says:

          If Salmond stays away from the EU, he could turn Scotland into a successful small country, it has the people who can do it but it also has the sweepings that could hold it back, it depends who he will take notice of, still he free’s Scotland and we end up with a free England, well we will when we rid the EU off our backs.

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    • 128
      Julian Gibb says:

      In common with many of my fellow Scots I will be voting YES. I had no animosity towards the English before making that choice and I still feel that way even after the bile poured out on this site towards my nation.

      I pity the few narrow minded people who have accepted the political spin about the situation in Scotland. The case is simple and based on the right of self determination.

      The rise of UKIP is a very clear image of the direction of travel in England towards the right.

      I suspect the poison of the bigots on this site will switch to “the Geordies” or some other group post independence.

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    Fed up Taxpayer says:

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    Man Who Can Count says:

    “now there is a real possibility Scotland will no longer be able to send us 60 Labour MPs”

    Given that Scotland currently only sends 59 MPs total, of which just 41 are Labour, that seems more of a certainty than a possibility.

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      Lard Presclott of Cum-upon-Tracey-Temple says:

      Indeed. For the slow on the uptake, here are the numbers of MPs elected in England alone for the last three Labour governments, showing that Scotland is not responsible for inflicting Labour governments on England:

      General Election 2005 England MPs:
      Labour 286
      Conservative 194
      Lib Dem 47
      Respect 1
      IKHH 1
      So, Labour majority of 43 in England alone in 2005

      General Election 2001 England MPs:
      Labour 323
      Conservative 165
      Liberal Democrat 40
      IKHH 1
      So, Labour majority of 117 in England alone in 2001

      General Election 1997 England MPs:
      Labour 329
      Conservative 165
      Lib Dem 34
      So, Labour majority of 130 in England alone in 1997

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    PC 99 says:

    Ah, Hamish. You’ll have had your tea!

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  11. 17
    William Wallace says:

    Absolute chaos outside Leeds Magistrates Court today .

    To add insult to injury, save a few bob, the Tories put a dangerous armed Bank Robber in a low security prison, he breaks out and causes mayhem in Sunbury on Thames.

    Take a bow Dave Cameron and your side kick Grayling.

    A free Scotland will soon be rid of you and your incompetence.

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    • 21
      Gordon Brown says:

      Scottish incompetence for Scottish people.

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        jgm2 says:

        Salmond is promising Brussels incompetence for Scottish people.

        He’s just replacing one master with another. Or cutting out the middleman. Either way, what he definitely isn’t offering, is independence.

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        Grouniad Brhune also says:

        It started in America – in my case, in the Sa . . .

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      jgm2 says:

      Would that be the Free Scotland that fitted up Al Magrahi at the behest of the yanks or the Free Scotland that, rather than risk having that ruling overturned, raced to free a convicted mass-murderer on ‘compassionate grounds’.

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      • 53
        Rob Roy says:

        A Yes vote is a vote for a better future.

        There is no future for Scotland with the status quo.

        Looking backwards constantly gets you nowhere unless you are a lawyer who likes Public Inquiries.

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      Don't look this way, look over there says:

      Twots like you never mention Liebour how many deaths were caused by Liebour because they allowed murderes out of jail and the killed someone, please get it right and blame both political parties for the damage, Liebour had 13 years and did nothing , these idiots have had 5, both are to blame.

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  12. 18
    jgm2 says:

    Caption contest: Two bald men arguing over a comb.

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    A flower that blooms tra la la says:

    If Salmond does get his way and Scotland does leave the Union, then Liebour will get blamed for everything, the enjoyment for most of the English will be to blame Liebour knowing they can’t use their usual whitewash, the BBC and hangers on will all be in despair, oooh what gay days we will have if it happens

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    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

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    bergen says:

    I very much hope that Scotland will stay in the union but it will be entirely their decision.

    However if they vote to leave , no Westminster MP from a Scottish constituency should have a vote on rUK’s terms of disengagement. It will be nothing to do with them.

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    Now they've caught him, do us a favour and crack his fucking skull open says:

    A fugitive armed robber nicknamed the “Skull Cracker” is in custody in London.

    Kent Police said they had arrested two men, aged 55 and 53, on suspicion of conspiracy to commit armed robbery.

    The force added: “The 55 year-old man was also arrested on suspicion of being unlawfully at large.”

    Officers have said they were no longer looking for Michael Wheatley, who absconded from HMP Standford Hill in Kent on Saturday.

    Detectives were earlier investigating an armed robbery at Chelsea Building Society branch in Sunbury-on-Thames, Surrey.

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    surlyscot says:

    dinna fash yerselves – the SNP – scottish NASTY party got no chance – for instance, Shetlanders and Orcadians unlikely to vote for it, they consider themselves Norweigan? the borderers won’t vote for it, we are anglo- scottish, the Irish protestants in the west of scotland – who are all unionists – won’t vote for it, so who does that leave? short answer the fruit cake Gaelic speaking morons that’s who!! so calm down people, we the majority are not falling for Jabba the Hutt Salmond’s garbage, its all about him, he wants to be President/King/ Prime Minister whatever, he’s got an ego the size of Mars, and God help us if he ever got his sticky mitts on the lever of real power, he admires Putin for God’s sake, says it all about the twat.

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    • 45
      @hateliebour says:

      When you gotta go you gotta go, bye bye, free! the English.

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    • 89
      A Celtic supporter says:

      Every Celtic supporter will vote ‘yes’ so Scotland can re-join the Holy Roman Empire that is the EU

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  19. 42
    Bravefart says:

    With all the Scotts labour MPs going does that mean they can no longer take our freedom?

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      Lard Presclott of Cum-upon-Tracey-Temple says:

      They never did take your freedom – England has had the Labour governments that England voted for, regardless of how the Scots voted. Labour had large majorities in England in 1997, 2001 and 2005, with a Labour majority of 130 in England alone in 1997, a Labour majority of 117 in England alone in 2001 and a Labour majority of 43 in England alone in 2005. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

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    Jacobite half-seas over the water says:

    Fueled by Buckfast, fired with piss and indignation, the tidal wave of Scottish independence rolls on. Westminster – out! House of Hanover (deceptively called Windsor) – out! Southern louts, loons, and lousy layabouts – out! (We have enough homegrown ones, thank you.) Keep your Frankenstein creations on your side of the Tweed, or we’ll launch our shambling one-eyed son of the manse to menace and outrage you once again. The Gorgon Cyclops requires only occasional electrical recharging. His carbon footprint is thus small, whereas his physical footprint is enormous.

    “So tremble, false yuppies, in the midst of your Brie,
    For you’ve no seen the last of my bum-holes and me!”

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    • 87
      Anonymous says:

      Here come the Scots, twiddile de de, here come the Scots they’re after me , here come the Scots, they’re at my back , here come the Scots, I didn’t fill the crack, there go the Scots the crack is filled, they’re go the Scots over the wall, showing their ar5es and showing their balls, referendums for them and us fckall.

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    • 123
      The only Country in Europe not to have a Parliament is England says:

      That should read Fiscal Footprint

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  21. 52
    Tim Yeo-Yo says:

    I would fcuking love it if they voted YES.

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    • 55
      Charlie Buchan says:

      So would we because it would mean we wouldn’t have to pay you any more.

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      • 96
        Tim Yeo-Yo says:

        Vote away Charlie. Less for some freaks in Westminster and a few Surrey Highlanders no one in England wants you.

        Of course, your countrymen won’t have the balls to do so.

        Shame, as the humiliation factor, whilst enjoyable, will not be the same as waving goodbye to you scrounging bunch of skirt wearing Hunts forever.

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    Your kids are safe with the BBC! says:

    Stuart Hall groomed two girls and r*ped them in his BBC dressing room, a court has heard. Mr Hall, then 47, invited one of the girls to the former BBC studios in Manchester after she “expressed an interest in becoming a makeup artist in films and TV”, prosecutors said. The 84-year-old ex-broadcaster denies 20 charges of r*pe and indecent assault involving two victims in the 1970s.

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    The Well Fare State! says:

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    nell says:

    It is what we in England are praying for – Scottish Independence. We wish them well . I don’t think for one minute they will fall absolutely into an abyss -though with a socialist government and no £billions from us , they may not do as well as they are doing now.

    We however will save ourselves a considerable sum of money annually and to boot lose all those troughing labour mp’s . Mission accomplished!

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  25. 60
    Ockham's Razor says:

    Oh dear! It’s all going so wrong!

    
    
    

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

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  26. 62
    Vote Yes says:

    So the choice is simple SNP’s William Wallace or Labours Wallace and Gromit?

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    Enlightened! says:

    “medieval psychology”? Absolute rubbish! Scotland was in the forefront of the Enlightenment period. . England would be fucked without Scotland. Fact!

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    • 70
      Observant says:

      Hamish has certainly made my wallet (en)lightened…

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    • 71
      Goodbye, goodbye, you're leaving us goodbye, says:

      Let’s hope they’re enlightened enough, to fuck off.
      To use your enlightened Scottish phraseology.

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      jgm2 says:

      Oh, that settles it then. You said ‘Fact!’.

      There’s no arguing with that.

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    The Sun has got his hat on says:

    Hip hip, Hip hip, Hooray.
    The sun has got his hat on,
    ‘Cos the Scotch are on their way.

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    Anonymous says:

    If the vote is yes, not only do we not have 40 Scotslab MPs troughing at Westminster, we no longer have them eligible for rUK ministerial office.

    The next generation of Scots wannabes would have to make it in the Holyrood pond (make that puddle!), and their fellow-countrymen will have to live with the bitchfest consequences.

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    • 132
      England Forever-we'll, at least until 2050, then it'll be like the UN says:

      I know. Just take a peek at who in the rUK Government would have to go! I, personally, cannot wait for that Barsteward Blair and Co having to use a passport to get into the rUK. The same goes for S.Ireland. We cannot have an agreed free movement with them if they’re in the EU and we’re not.

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  30. 75
    An Enlightened Scot says:

    Scotland’s medieval psychology.??

    The master- slave economy is being challenged. It is an outdated medieval system where Scots are treated like pe@sants!

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Enlightenment Scotland’s

    Stick your English Football up your leeching boggin arseholes!

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    • 95
      Cornish pasty says:

      Try checking out how much English cash the Scots
      receive compared to places like Cornwall.
      Just one reason why we can’t wait to see
      the back of you.

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      • 99
        Tim Yeo-Yo says:

        Yaaarp.

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      • 117
        Lord Wellard of No Apologies says:

        The region in the UK that gets the most cash is, drum roll, London and the South East, followed by, er, Northern Ireland. Cornwall etc. aren’t being impoverished at the behest of the Scots – look to London for that.

        Oh, and the additional public spending in Scotland is, roughly, in line with the tax receipts from North Sea oil.

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    Socialist peoples republic of Jockland says:

    When you consider that in Russia or the USA for example many of their citizens live many thousands of mile away from their seat of government I can’t see what problem the SNP have with being governed from a few hundred miles in Westminster.
    Other than that UK elections don’t always deliver a socialist government I suppose.
    So really the SNP should have called themselves the SSP (Scottish Socialist Party) because what they really want to be independent from isn’t the UK but Conservative Governments.

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    • 84
      Anonymous says:

      There has not been a Conservative government in 20 years.

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      • 94
        Socialist peoples republic of Jockland says:

        I’m talking about what a socialist considers Conservative.
        A person slightly right of Tony Benn.

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  32. 79
    Scottish Chav says:

    “Naturally, it gave a tremendous fillip to the Braveheart Tendency in Scotland’s medieval psychology”

    never underestimate scottish stupidity when it comes to totally and utterly sh@fting themselves to achieve some rather inane, trivial and pathetic one up on a perceived ‘enemy’ … even if it costs them everything.
    Working with neds I see it every day .. they are that thick!

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    • 120
      Jacobite half-seas over the water says:

      People of Caledonia: Now that you are preparing to exercise your future independence, I understand there is a property sale which should interest you. It is located on the Gulf of Darien, Isthmus of Panama, and funded, I understand, by Gorgon Brown. Need I say more?

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      • 126
        StevieBC says:

        I just want to be nice to my English cousins – and remove the financial burden from them that is Scotland.
        Thanks for funding us and protecting Scotland these last 300 odd years, you’ve been super, generous neighbours.

        …what despite this Cameron, Clegg, Miliband et all have insisted that Scotland cannot leave the UK ? You would think they would be grateful…

        What could Scotland possibly offer London ?

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  33. 82
    non taxable pikey says:

    If Scotland does vote yes can we English please. please ban those bloody Bagpipes, and the BBC’s lovefest at new year.

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    • 90
      also says:

      And can we ban BBC coverage of the Edinburgh Festival.

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      • 92
        Lard Presclott of Cum-upon-Tracey-Temple says:

        Indeed, might save the Scots from having to put up with all those English lefty comedians (so-called) despoiling their capital in the summer.

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        • 97
          how about says:

          And the BBC can stop funding the Scottish Symphony Orchestra.

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          • Lard Presclott of Cum-upon-Tracey-Temple says:

            As will the Scots 10% share of the tellytax too in that case.

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        • 107
          catesby says:

          You can keep them!

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        • 109
          catesby says:

          I think it’s almost inevitable now that the Sweaties are gonna be ‘independent’ come September we should be planning for it now. Yes it is good that there’ll never be another Liebour government but is it any better to be governed by a bunch of money-grubbing careerist unconservatives? Unless something miraculous happens or more and more support UKIP England is finished anyway.

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          • Lord Wellard of No Apologies says:

            Nah, we love you all too much, but keep your hands to yourself you english shirtlifter!

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  34. 100
    Democrat1 says:

    The SNP call their assumptions and assorted demands ‘facts’. When these are questioned or even shown to be incorrect those making the point are accused of attempting to tell Scots what to do or trying to scare people from voting Yes. If the questioning comes from a fellow Scot he, or she, is immediately branded as a traitor or a quisling. And that is why so many Scots who support the union choose to keep a low profile. The venom of the nationalists is nowhere better seen than when Andrew Marr gave Alex Salmond a gentle grilling on EU membership which appeared to upset Mr S. Peter Wishart, the SNP MP, commented ‘there will be consequences’. Anyone for a free press or TV in an independent Scotland ?

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    • 110
      Wollwich says:

      The venom of the nationalist? Have you just skipped past the comments section above?

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      • 115
        As a Doctor says:

        The comments are a sure fire sign that those who post such bigoted shite have never got over the arse reaming they received whilst at inglish public schools.

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  35. 111
    English Scum Football cannot thrive without mugging a Scot! says:

    English is the master and I a Scot, is a slave!

    Fuck off! Go & mug one of your own!

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  36. 114
    Fucktard watch says:

    “Scotlands medieval psychology ? ” what a fucking arsewipe you are Guido.

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  37. 124
    StevieBC says:

    “…Naturally, it gave a tremendous fillip to the Braveheart Tendency in Scotland’s medieval psychology…”

    Very disappointed GF: it appears that your ‘intention’ now is to align yourself to the ignorant, arrogant political elite who are ensconced within the Westminster bubble.

    Thought you where better than that.

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  38. 129
    Julian Gibb says:

    A debt of 1.4 Trillion pounds and you think you have a wallet !

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  39. 131
    English Nationalist-I'm bad but the Jocks and Taffs aren't says:

    I’m a Nationalists too, so I support Scottish Independence (as Well as Welsh-who cannot FO quick enough IMHO). Both Plaid and the SNP are Socialists. They are Feign Nationalists. They want ‘independence’ but also want to be in the thrall of the EU. A little confused methinks.

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