April 29th, 2014

MPs Want to End Cheap Beer for Our Boys
Taliban Tory Soubry Wants Troops’ Beer Prices Raised

In 1944, at the height of the Second World War, Winston Churchill famously defended the right of Britain’s war heroes to enjoy a pint:

Make sure that the beer – four pints a week – goes to the troops under fire before any of the parties in the rear get a drop.

This afternoon at the Defence Select Committee, Labour MP Madeleine Moon demanded that the alcohol subsidy providing cheaper booze for war heroes serving overseas be scrapped. Moon, who herself takes advantage of parliament’s food and drink subsidy allowing MPs to sink cheap pints on the taxpayer, says that the subsidy at military bars in army bases abroad should be removed. According to Press Association, she said she was given the “fight of my life” when she saw the prices at a base in the Falklands:

“One thing that could be done about alcohol problems in the armed forces is tackling the high level of subsidy in bars in military units – perhaps so they were the same price you would pay in town.”

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Defence Minister Anna Soubry suggested she was open to the idea, saying she wanted to curb a culture of “drinking to the point of oblivion” in the armed forces. Our politicians want themselves to have a taxpayer funded subsidy for their booze, but want to deny the same perk for the soldiers they have sent to war.


146 Comments

  1. 1
    Labour's secret weapon goes on says:

    Sack IDS asap

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    • 6
      I hope says:

      THIS IS FRONT PAGE IN THE MAIL TOMORROW.

      Yes, I am shouting.

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    • 29
      The Growler says:

      No for troops in war regions undertaking dangerous battle conditions but yes for those resting their brains in this country or other friendly country, hardly battle conditions. MPs have had their little problems with members of their parties, totally rat and lashing out, strangely weren’t they former armed forces personnel.

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      • 56
        jgm2 says:

        I think the key factor in the ratted lashing out was that you were dealing with a naturally violent person. Ie a member of Scottish Labour.

        A thug twice over before he’d touched a drop.

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      • 140
        Jesus Christ, you sad bastard says:

        Just let me get this clear: They’re telling our soldiers to face down a bunch of rag heads with Kalashnikovs, but they’re worried about their livers?

        I shouldn’t worry a great deal about drink soldiers. Most pissed soldiers I’ve met talked a lot more sense than sober politicians.

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    • 31
      lojolondon says:

      Cheap beer for MP’s but not for our soldiers?

      Anna Soulbury clearly demonstrates everything that is wrong with affirmative action!

      Time to stick that finger back up, Annie!

      Like

    • 43
      Gooey Blob says:

      Same old do as I say, not as I do attitude from MPs. It’s disgusting that the taxpayer is still subsidising their booze.

      Like

    • 71
      táxpáyér says:

      There’s not subsidy for the Forces, there’s a cut in the amount extorted with each pint in tax.

      As for parliament, the value of the grounds should massively increase the price of a drink.

      She’s a perfect member of LibLabCon, the nannying hectoring rent-seeking duplicitous skiving parasite.

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      • 130
        Mark T says:

        Nannying rent seeking duplicitous skivving parasite…says it all in just six words. Brilliant.

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    • 145
      Lord Gnome says:

      Labou MP Madeleine Moron

      Corrected your spelling mistake.

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  2. 2
    C.O.Jones says:

    Can you still smoke in the HoC bars?

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    • 4
      Nigel Evans says:

      You can smoke me any time, duckie!

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    • 18
      Bill Quango MP says:

      No. Bloody shame too.

      Like

      • 115
        Born to Rule says:

        Yes you can. It is not illegal to smoke in the HoP, but after an outcry they decided to make a private rule not to smoke: the same choice that is not given to other private clubs. They can’t be arrested for smoking. No nanny-signs either, I expect.

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        • 128
          Nick Clegg, Cockroach-in-Chief, Pervs Я Us says:

          If smoking is not illegal in the HoP, does that mean I won’t get arrested if my natural predisposition towards arson should get the better of me while I’m there ?

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  3. 3
    Lefties have no sense of humour says:

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  4. 5
    Tom Newton BUM says:

    Finger up bottom time :)

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    • 35
      The Growler says:

      Why have you got prostate problems worth while for the over forties and over, for 40+ prostate cancer is a very fast killer.

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  5. 7
    Another UKIP resignation says:

    UKIP local election candidate who made offensive comments about Lenny Henry – William Henwood – resigns from party

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  6. 8
    Anonymous says:

    The price isn’t subsidised, it is tax free because it is sold out with the UK. What a pair of muppets.

    Like

  7. 9
    (I've been renamed) DA-Notice says:

    Great! More votes for UKIP. Hic!

    Like

  8. 10
    Oceanographer says:

    What a bitch !

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    • 94
      Jack Ketch says:

      Burn the BITCH (witch). Actually burn them both. Tied to a stake on Parliament Green and doused with subsidised 90% proof spirit from the HoC bar with a ceremonial finger up their bottoms!

      Alternatively, these rancid cows to fly off to Afghanistan before the withdrawal, gather the squaddies around them and then explain that the troops don’t deserve a drink.

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  9. 10
    Anonymong says:

    Another sure fire vote winner – for UKIP.

    I presume Soubry has no problem with the literal oblivion imposed on certain unfortunate members of the armed forces during her failed Afghan campaign?

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  10. 15
    Sleepless In Kirkcaldy says:

    Er. No. Abolish your own subsidies first and then we can talk about it.

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  11. 16
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Underemployed, overpaid, meddling, hectoring, hypocritical, parasitical, finger-wagging fuckwits, the lot of ‘em.

    Good evening.

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  12. 17
    Cheggers' character represents most posters here says:

    Like

  13. 19
    Godfrey Balloon says:

    I told you … if you let women into the political club the silly sluts would make make life intolerable.

    Like

  14. 20
    Frank Carson says:

    Why do so many of you poo poo the idea of anal sex? It’s a cracker! Or, in this case, a crack!

    Like

    • 24
      Chancellor Ed says:

      Who’s cracked?

      Like

    • 98
      Jack Ketch says:

      Anal Sex is recommended by the Liberal Party, The Conservative and Unionist Party and most emphatically by the Lib-Dems. Only today on the BBC’s Daily Politics, Vince Cable criticised UKIP for being against Gay marriage which he considers the most important piece of legislation since the Reform Act of 1832.

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  15. 21
    Banana Republic Britain says:

    Don’t know why you’re bringing up that horrible racist Churchill.

    A man has just been arrested under the race relations act for reading out one of his speeches.

    Horrible drunken old racist, what did he ever do for Britain?

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  16. 22
    Hardtalk - BBC News 24 says:

    Tonight: women MPs. Thick or what? On the panel – Emily Thornberry. Maria Miller and that tiny weeny Lib dem one who’s name we have forgotten as she’s so dim.

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  17. 25
    Captain Panick says:

    Leave the military beer prices alone. They serve 24/7, in shit conditions, and shit pay.

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    • 46
      Cinna says:

      180 degrees opposite to the morons in the HoC.

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    • 50
      The Growler says:

      If pay is that bad why do people sign on the dotted line, public school boys want to be officers in the army etc

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      • 57
        Shhhhh says:

        War is fun

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      • 63
        Spunkmeyer says:

        Because at the end of their time in the armed forces many soldiers leave with trade that they can use in civvy street.

        Are you really this thick..?

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        • 92
          Anonymous says:

          That used to be the case. Alas, probably not so much these days, seeing as civvy street is bursting at the seams with people looking for work in every conceivable trade.

          Probably more a case of ‘Piss off Tommy, get to the back of the queue’.

          Thanks a lot Liblabcon.

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      • 64
        jgm2 says:

        So that Tony Blair will have somebody to fight his wars.

        Also, most of these kids who sign up are from Labour shitholes. Remarkably, they’re the ones with some ambition. The rest of them are content to spend their miserable pointless lives, sitting there with their hands out like some First World cargo cult, waiting for more free stuff to arrive. And voting Labour.

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      • 142
        HarrietHarman`sLoofah says:

        No-one joins the army to get rich, Growler.

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  18. 26
    Moley says:

    There are times, on the battlefield, when the brain needs anaesthetising.

    The same cannot be said of the daily work of an MP.

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  19. 27
    Casual Observer 2 says:

    Hypocritical fucking bitches.

    Like

    • 62
      Victoria Nuland & Ann Applebaum says:

      Good to see you back, CO2. I do not agree with your views on the Ukraine but you’re right on this one.

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  20. 32
    ancientpopeye says:

    I trust the bars of the Commons and Lords will be refusing the subsidies paid by tax payers, which includes the armed forces.
    Not holding my breath, given the bunch of hypocrites therein.

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  21. 33
    Welshracer says:

    surely Madeleine Moon had the “fright of her life”

    rather than “fight of her life”…….

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    • 38
      Bill Quango MP says:

      What was she frightened of?
      The ACTUAL price of booze without government taxation?

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    • 54
      Jim says:

      Perhaps she was thinking there was no rationing at the front line and she may become attractive to a Soldier?
      In truth these politicians no Nothing of the people.
      We must all Vote UKIP just for the look on their faces in the morning.

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    • 113
      Lord Duckhouse of Pondlife says:

      It was the fight to get to the bar.

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  22. 34
    Anonymous says:

    The only thing to do in The Falklands when based at Mount Pleasant is to have a pint or two. They can right royally fuck off or give people the choice where they want to serve

    Like

  23. 36
    Ockham's Razor says:

    @CO

    Wrote this yesterday but wanted to refine it. Having dinner with friends tonight at short notice so will just send this off without correction or expansion.

    Have just done an interesting comparison. I started off 1972 and 1975 ICOADS videos running in adjacent tabs and then alternated between them for the duration.

    The differences were for many of the alternations indistinguishable as to volumes and temperatures.

    Now in a sense, that is not remarkable. Had I done that with 1931 and 2013 ICOADS, there would have been vast differences. But running at the same times of the year with years reasonably close, it would have been surprising had there been noticeable changes.

    So where do we see new information? The fixed transmitters and satellites. Why not run a set which only draws from them? It won’t be as visually entertaining but might be instructive in identifying if trends are emerging and compare with just the shipping data (and now land data) to see if, or how, they differ.

    Now thinking seriously about identifying any possibility of anti-selection bias in IPCC/UEA/CRU stats as suggested before. Know this is ballpark to what you have in mind – but there are almost limitless possibilities so it is worth thinking about the best points to start.

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  24. 40
    Conservative says:

    Soubry is a waste of space.

    Like

  25. 41
    plantagenet says:

    Disgusting

    Like

  26. 42
    Nelson's daughter says:

    The trouble with most MPs these days is that none of them have been in the services and seen enemy action but would deny our troops a cheap beer. The only action MPs seem to get is a punch up in a Westminster bar subsidised by the taxpayer. Throw her into the frontline and let her see what battle stress is, she might even need a drink.

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  27. 44
    jgm2 says:

    Problems with alcoholism in troops?

    Don’t you think popping chunks of their mates into bin bags would dr*i*ve anybody to the bottle you stupid jackass?

    In fact don’t you think the reality of being a fraction of a second away from death 24/7 would have anybody reaching for the milk of amnesia?

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  28. 45
    Anonymous says:

    Anna Soubry. The sad thing is that she has no idea how dumb she is.

    Like

  29. 49
    Max I didn't know she was under 16 Clifford says:

    Is nothing sacred? They’ll be saying MPs should work for free next

    Like

  30. 51
    nell says:

    +++++++++Laugh+++++++++

    Tell me again about the drink problems of MP’s that have scandalised us for some years now and about the taxpayer subsidised price of alcohol in the mp’s place of work at the HoC and HoL to the point where these ‘honorable’ members have been known to be so drunk they can’t even walk or made so aggressive by over-indulging in the stuff that they pick fights with one another!!!!

    Talk about Hypocrisy!!!

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    • 108
      John Bellingham says:

      Are you talking about Mark Reckless MP for Chatham who was crawling on the floor for an hour and then commenced kicking a door marked “pull” because it wouldn’t open when he pushed it. He was put into a London black taxi to travel home to the Medway Towns at taxpayer’s expense ( about £75).
      Or could it be labour MP, Eric Joyce who cannot smell a beermat without punching out anyone within arms length.
      Maybe it is Nigel Evans, who, with only a dozen gin and tickles, is shoving his hands down the trousers of teenage boys and promising career advancement if they would just open up to him.
      Or maybe its……………………oh, what’s the point.

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      • 111
        John Bellingham says:

        Sorry, I forgot–Reckless in MP for Rochester–they changed the boundries. The invisible Tracy Football-Coach is MP for Chatham.

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  31. 52
    Anonymous says:

    Claim Ref. No. 0000179096
    MP Anna Soubry
    Financial Year 2012-13
    Expense Category Travel
    Expense Type Public Tr RAIL – RTN
    Amount Claimed £122.00
    Amount Paid £122.00
    Amount Not Paid £0.00
    Amount Repaid N/A
    Status Paid
    Date 15/05/2012
    Journey Type Non-London MP-to/from London
    Journey Leicester to Kings Cross St Pancras
    Short Description 2012.05 PC
    Details EAST MIDLANDS TRAI Passenger Railways
    Travel First

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  32. 58
    Squaddie says:

    It makes me want to throw up, and not in a nice way.

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  33. 59
    Haz says:

    Un-frigging-believable.

    Utter toughing hypocritical scum.

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  34. 60
    Thrill Seeker says:

    The solution is to abolish tax on alcohol. There is no tax on marijuana, so why is there tax on alcohol?

    Like

  35. 61
    Darth Weevil the Eternally Crazed says:

    Group of unarmed politicians decides to annoy group of heavily armed military personnel…this should end well

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  36. 65
    Bugger off you old bag says:

    I think Soubry fancies herself as some sort of crusading Maggie Thatcher type.
    Shame for her though that she has nothing on Maggie, in fact I think she is a bit of a cùnt

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    • 69
      Spunkmeyer says:

      Mrs T would have walloped Soubry with her handbag at the slightest mention of such a stupid idea.

      Maggie loved ‘her boys’.

      Like

  37. 67
    @hateliebour says:

    Have these pair of bats understood what damage they will do to their political parties and their careers, the clamour for the subsidy to the house of criminals will be louder than the contempt they have for those idiots, leave the military out of your shenanigans or find out in 2015 that you’ve been sacked for stupidity.

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    • 97
      Anonymous says:

      The damage is already done. They are now the most despised people in Britain, with good cause I should add.

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  38. 68
    Thrill Seeker says:

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  39. 73
    Anonymous says:

    Claim Ref. No. 303171
    MP Anna Soubry
    Financial Year 2013-14
    Expense Category Travel
    Expense Type Public Tr AIR
    Amount Claimed £0.75
    Amount Paid £0.75
    Amount Not Paid £0.00
    Amount Repaid N/A
    Status Paid
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    Journey Type Recall Parliament MP
    Journey Pisa to Heathrow
    Short Description 2013.10 PC
    Details HILLGATE TRAVEL LT Travel Agencies
    Travel Economy

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  40. 75
    Let the Hippies and Gas Bags do the F**Kin' Job says:

    We’re all World Citizens and therefor don’t need an Army. We should disband ALL the Military, hug each other and just get-along.

    Like

  41. 80
    Nigel's finger says:

    Soubry looks as though she has a fist up her and enjoys it.

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  42. 81
    Ticker says:

    I see that Soubry will be defending a massive majority of 389 at the next election, so this is really the way to enhance her popularity!

    Will be waiting to see the back-tracking comments very soon.

    Like

  43. 85
    UKIP says:

    Why doesn’t Dave sack this extremist?

    Like

  44. 93
    RSM says:

    Yes, after a hard day’s fighting to defend our freedom and democracy, what the army really wants most of all is a nice cooling glass of Cawston Press Cruelty Free Apple and Elderflower Juice to go with our free range organic egg-white omlettes and alfalfa sprout tarlets.

    Like

  45. 96
    Bugger off you old bag says:

    This was the same old cùnt who was positively wetting herself at the prospect of Nick walloping Nigel Farage in the EU debates. Didn’t work out that way, did it, fuckface?

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  46. 99
    The UK taxpayer says:

    I agree that MPs should stop having their booze subsidised. But so should soldiers. Just because they were stupid enough to join the army, it doesn’t mean they should get cut-price beer.

    They’re not war heroes, they’re idiots.

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    • 102
      Anonymous says:

      Still above your level!

      Like

    • 110
      John Bellingham says:

      Army booze is not subsidised. In a mess it is sold at reduced profit and overseas it is subject to reduced ( nb reduced, not nil) duty, just like on your holiday flight. A pint of beer carries 55p duty in the UK (not including VAT) compared to 5p in Germany.
      German beer gardens and bars do well.

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      • 119
        Corby says:

        Yes, these harpies cannot even get their facts right.

        however, there is a germ of a good idea there. I am sure that they and all MPS would want to set an example by making the House of Parliament dry. The wine stock could be sold off to reduce the National Debt.

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  47. 101
    Anonymous says:

    This makes me really angry and some of the comments do as well. If you didn’t serve you know sh*t. Politicians have an excuse as they are morons but civilian smug comments are just as puerile and show you have sh*t for brains.

    Work hard and play hard. Not everyone gets a medal but lots have bullets aimed in their direction thanks to those ” smart” politicians.

    Put Britain first is supposed to be the ethos of government but it seems we need a “racist” party to articulate that philosophy.

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  48. 103
    geordieboy says:

    Bar her from all HoC watering holes. Just not good enough for an MP who snouts the trough. Better still send her to Helmund with a water pistol and no basic training.

    Like

  49. 107
    Bass Manager says:

    Those prices to the Stranger Bar are cheaper than we can sell it to the trade, wish they would subsides it to the common man.

    Our troops deserve all subsides possible.

    Stupid bloody women.

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  50. 114
    Rtd Colonel says:

    Always thought the Armed Forces were a not for profit organisation hence mark up on food/beer will be less than the high street resulting in lower prices. Not like Squaddies are that well paid (do they really want to go back to a serfdom system…) Smug sanctimonious twats – poster campaign now please in their constituencies

    Like

  51. 116
    Sack Moon and Soubry ! says:

    Well done, Guido, keep up the campaign until they’re sacked, please.

    Like

  52. 117
    Truthteller says:

    Who on Earth would fight a war for these troughing pigs?

    Like

  53. 120
    Ockham's Razor says:

    @CO

    Wrote this yesterday but wanted to refine it. Having dinner with friends tonight at short notice so will just send this off without correction or expansion. Now I found the page changed so reposting.

    Have just done an interesting comparison. I started off 1972 and 1975 ICOADS videos running in adjacent tabs and then alternated between them for the duration.

    The differences were for many of the alternations indistinguishable as to volumes and temperatures.

    Now in a sense, that is not remarkable. Had I done that with 1931 and 2013 ICOADS, there would have been vast differences. But running at the same times of the year with years reasonably close, it would have been surprising had there been noticeable changes.

    So where do we see new information? The fixed transmitters and satellites. Why not run a set which only draws from them? It won’t be as visually entertaining but might be instructive in identifying if trends are emerging and compare with just the shipping data (and now land data) to see if, or how, they differ.

    Now thinking seriously about identifying any possibility of anti-selection bias in IPCC/UEA/CRU stats as suggested before. Know this is ballpark to what you have in mind – but there are almost limitless possibilities so it is worth thinking about the best points to start.

    Like

  54. 121
    Kill all lefties says:

    The ignorant, ugly useless slappers should be told to fuck off back into the kitchen, where they belong, and leave the proper work to men. The bitches need some slapping. Then take them out and sohot them in front of their families. With acknowledgments to the One True God, Jeremy Clarkson.

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  55. 122
    Anna Soubry says:

    I have never said beer prices or any other alcohol prices should be raised for our servicemen and women. I have never made any comment about alleged subsidies of alcohol for our armed forces. Not sure your headline is libellous but it is certainly not true.

    Like

  56. 123
    Blakey says:

    Both Moon & Sowbry should resign. Let the soldiers enjoy their pint, it may be their last.

    Like

  57. 131
    John Tandy says:

    Appalling hypocrisy…..

    Like

  58. 132
    Jess The Dog says:

    NAAFI prices and junior rank mess prices weren’t that much less than civvy pubs….the messes are run by members and free to do as they please..Friday night happy hour…..carnage! And those hypocritical MPs can sort their own shit out first.

    Like

  59. 133
    Anonymous says:

    soubry……………..still gurning on after all these years.

    Like

  60. 134
    Anonymous says:

    “Taliban Tory Soubry Wants Troops’ Beer Prices Raised”
    Alternatively, we could air-drop breathalysers into invaded countries. Then have the indigenous population police any infractions, concerned with fighting while under the influence.

    Like

  61. 137
    Inconvenient Truth says:

    Sure, you may go for a few scoops in your Barracks Bar, but be under no illusion, most of the lads and lasses will be hitting the Town so this idea is basically BS. Also, CPLS, WO’s and SGT’s and Occifer’s messes are private members bars, they aren’t open to the public.

    Like

  62. 144
    catesby says:

    I think politics in this country has now gone beyond parody! Satire is literally dead! An ugly marxist in Labour wants to stop soldiers drinking and she’s backed by an ugly pretend conservative!? Is Lib/Lab/Con on a mission to destroy itself! Let’s hope so.

    Like


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