April 28th, 2014

The 26 Tory HS2 Rebels

26 Tory rebels on the second reading of the HS2 bill say Labour, plus one teller:

Steve Baker
John Baron
Bob Blackman
Peter Bone
Andrew Bridgen
Dan Byles
Bill Cash
Christopher Chope
Philip Davies
Michael Fabricant
Cheryl Gillan
Phillip Hollobone
Chris Kelly
Jeremy Lefroy
Jullian Lewis
David Nuttall
Mark Pawsey
Christopher Pincher
Sir John Randall
John Redwood
Laurence Robertson
Sir Richard Shepherd
Sir Peter Tapsell
Andrew Turner
Andrew Tyrie
Chris White
James Gray- Teller

Failing to vote for his own bill was one David Cameron…

Via Labour Whips.

149 Comments

  1. 1
    táxpáyér says:

    Another LibLabConsensus

    I think there’s only one party that’s opposed to the establishment monorail.

  2. 2
    The Wiggler says:

    The inept Government Whips Office staff last with the news as usual.

    No doubt the useless articles will all now be getting taxis home this evening at our expense (£60+)

  3. 3
    Anonymous says:

    Cameron is a liar and cannot be trusted.

    How can he promote HS2 and then not even vote on it.

    To say the man has no backbone is an insult to jellyfish.

    Cameron is a hypocrite and liar.

  4. 4

    “WE WILL REMEMBER YOUR NAMES”

  5. 5
    Memory Man says:

    No. They’ll be staying in the best hotels. Shagging their Secretaries or their bum-boys. We’re paying.

  6. 6
    Anonymous says:

    Why on earth don’t these ‘rebels’ just leave this ghastly party?

  7. 7
    The Public says:

    Who would want them? They have gone way past their sell-by date.

  8. 8
    Cider drinker says:

    Whats ghastly about sticking with your principles and representing those you represent ? You can fuck off to North Korea if you want , sounds like you’re kinda gaff.

  9. 9
    Hazing Ritual Watch says:

    Gove is telling people to ‘celebrate the diversity’ and other Common Purpose bilge. Is this moron for real, or has someone put a gun against his head?

    The same article has a poll on whether multiculturalism is a good thing or not. So far, about 85% of respondents say it isn’t.

  10. 10
  11. 11
    APB says:

    the reason is astrological.
    information can only be confirmed by a psychic and then doubly confimed by being “body” aware.

  12. 12
    Democracy says:

    They can still represent their constituents, in fact they can do an even better job of it, if they resign from a political party and start taking decisions based on their merits.

  13. 13
    APB says:

    is the government hitting it’s “be nice to me” target?

  14. 14
    Jolly nice chap says:

    We will indeed. Heroes every one, standing up for those they represent.

  15. 15
    The only Country in Europe not to have its own paliament is England says:

    All to link up the regional capitals to by pass London at high speed so the MEP’s can get their expenses in Brussels, to vote on treaties that they cannot amend, so may as well stay in their own home and vote by text and save us all a fortune

  16. 16
    Anonymous says:

    What a surprise…no comments allowed

  17. 17
    albacore says:

    The celebration of Britain’s inundation
    By the the dross from every nation in creation
    And the race for the flimflam’s implementation
    Must be taken without the least reservation

  18. 18
    non taxable pikey says:

    The way it’s going the indigenous natives of the UK will be on reservations soon.

  19. 19
    non taxable pikey says:

    The same way he can promise a referendum on the EU.

    I wonder when he will promise to publish Chilcot and Operation Fernbridge?

  20. 20
    Anonymous says:

    Ukip condemned by cross-party group for running ‘racist’ campaign
    Aggressive move accusing Nigel Farage’s party of ‘Euracism’ comes as study puts anti-EU vote in Europe at 30%

    the establishment gang up on ukip, quelle surpris!

    its not racist to be English, ask the scots the irish and the welsh. England without mass immigration demanded by the liblabcon party. And England without that dreadful institution the European Union.
    vote ukip and stuff the establishment. Let the scots vote for independence too.

  21. 21
    Gob is great says:

    Dave threatens an all-too convenient flounce. You see, he really was a man of principle. Pop-corn, please.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/10794368/David-Cameron-threatens-to-resign-without-2017-EU-vote.html

  22. 22
    Socialism is theft says:

    What race is ‘European’ anyway?

  23. 23
    Ooooh says:

    Cheryl Gillan……that’s the old bag who was on DP cosying up to Jowell and Ming, and Jo Cosucker, in the attack on UKIP, isn’t it?
    Fuck her and the rest of them.

  24. 24
    Socialism is theft says:

    Calling UKIP racist is like calling anyone who doesn’t join the RAC a hater of car drivers.

  25. 25
    SIZE 14 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    Dave threatens to resign ,the treacherous piece of filth probably has a nice little EU sinecure lined up with all the usual little perks ,massive tax free salary, schooling for his brats , well paid non job for the wife , travel allowances ,subsidised housing ,lifelong pension and all the wisteria he can have pruned.

  26. 26
    Pookie snackumberger says:

    So, Barroso wins again.

  27. 27
    Joe Public. says:

    The Labour whips state 26 according to Guido.
    This morning it was 35 and 14 in Labour voted against and some disappeared.
    Who is right? We should know.
    Guido should know better than to believe Labour propaganda though in this case they seem to have made the rare case of understatement.

  28. 28
    non taxable pikey says:

    Putin’s Present. When you open up a Barrel Bomb this is what you find.

  29. 29
    Red Ed Milibandwagon says:

    I do not encourage rebels in my party as it is built on solid Communist lines, and we send such people to northern and central gulags as in Birmingham etc.
    We do support Putin in his quest for East European domination (though we will never admit it) and as does our Pravda substitute the BBC.

  30. 30
    Guest53 says:

    Good to know there are still a few MPs capable of independent thought and prepared to make a stand while the sheeple baa for the whips.

    Take out the GOM (Cash, Tapsell, etc) and there’s the core of a cabinet here.

  31. 31
    non taxable pikey says:

    Interview in Spanish newspaper El Pais last April:
    Q; In case of a Yes victory in a referendum would you be willing to withdraw from the Union?
    Cameron; I would not.

  32. 32
    Putin says:

    You can buy this stuff anywhere.

  33. 33
    The Labour Party are patronising treasonous cunts who should be held to account with a rusty bayonet says:

    A bit like the understatement of how much McDoom had lost on gold, Iraq, Afghanistan, the banks….. Labour, never knowingly undersold.

  34. 34
    The Labour Party are patronising treasonous cunts who should be held to account with a rusty bayonet says:

    That comment is about as full of incite into the knowledge of tactics as a significant minority of regular posters on this site generally show.. Mousey Khunty, Blowing Wind etc… Even Jimmy knows far better than this.
    To use your analogy, and to bring that into perspective, leave the main body of the attacking army, strike out on your own against the enemy with no communication lines or supplies, air support. Just you and teddy, who you threw out of the pram earlier.

    As Paxman would say…. Yeeeessss.

  35. 35
    still walking into darkness says:

    There were only Tory rebels because they knew Labour would not vote against HS2. I doubt a natural Tory voter constituent anywhere in those Tory seats would fall for that somehow

  36. 36
    The Public says:

    These basturds only voted against because they knew that LabLib would vote it through, useless.

  37. 37
    Vote UKIP says:

    Let’s sort out the poofs.

  38. 38
    Vote UKIP says:

    Some foreign b*ll*cks innit?

  39. 39
    SIZE 14 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    Putin is quite rightly taking action against the gangs of barking mad islamist nut jobs who are taking over the middle east and North Africa in various ‘Arab Springs’. Meanwhile the west, egged on by the naively stupid Americans pretend to believe in the prospect of a ‘free and democratic’ solution in a part of the world dominated by followers of a nihilistic medieval death cult that somehow must command our respect for fear of offending the millions of them imported into our midst ,a ticking time bomb set to explode at any time with disastrous consequences , which will effect western foreign policy forever. Well done Blair , Brown , Cameron and all the rest of the multi culti fanatics, the consequences of their treason is coming home to roost.

  40. 40
    Anonymous says:

    I’ll just pop down to Waitrose.

  41. 41
    Knobcheese in Number 10 says:

    I can’t believe that no-one believes a word I say.

  42. 42
    Joss Taskin says:

    Are you buying or selling ?

  43. 43
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Except they can’t even get that right: HS2 doesn’t go to Heathrow and doesn’t go to St. Panc either.

    It is indeed “a Labour project”: a badly-designed public project that no one wants, no one needs and that we can’t afford.

  44. 44
    UKIP the final solution says:

    Yes its really not on, not like those nice islamists who line up innocents and children and Christians and hack off their heads and limbs in an orgy of mass murder and torture.

    Islamists wouldnt be islamists if they weren’t total hypocrites.

  45. 45
    Anonymous says:

    Well said. Wish I had a million votes for you.

  46. 46
    Shooty* says:

    In other news: Main parties to gang up to call UKIP racist.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/28/ukip-european-election-accused-of-racism

    Interesting… do they not realise that accusations of racism mean precisely nothing now, and that UKIP are probably popular BECAUSE they reflect people’s normal views on such issues, not despite it?

    Go ahead, MSM: start playing the race card again. People love it.

  47. 47
    WoRaft Chihuahua says:

    This analogy would work if the Conservatives were an attacking army. However, they are best described as ‘the current army of occupation’.

  48. 48
    Hate filled, racist, misogonistic, deranged, psychotic and lazy, troughing UKIP candidate says:

    shuddup you stupid c’unt

    Putin has aided the murder of 19000+ kids

  49. 49
    albacore says:

    This year, next year, sometime, never
    He can keep this up forever
    When it comes to being trusted
    He’s completely broke and busted

  50. 50
    UKIP the final solution says:

    Honest Dave claims he MIGHT resign if he doesnt get his way in a post 2015 election coalition deal?

    Yeah and pigs might fly, just another cast iron promise from Honest Dave and not worth the breath it took to utter the words.

    The only problem for Call me Dave is that even his own dwindling band of activists dont trust him anymore.

    We all know that Cameron will everything he can to lie and cheat anyone stupid enough to listen to him and then after the election he will do all he can to further the interests of his EU masters.

  51. 51
    Mad Max says:

    I wonder if some naughty scamp at whatever prison Max is sent to will serve up button mushrooms for dinner on his first night.

  52. 52
    Pookie snackumberger says:

    Whereas in the main news ‘Main parties to gang up to’ push through EU transport plans.

  53. 53
    The only Country in Europe not to have a Parliament is England says:

    Cross rail 2 will take care of that when announced with its foreign country domain name

  54. 54
    Mad Max says:

    The revelation that police found a letter from one of Clifford’s victims in his bedside table tells you a lot about the man. It was written anonymously and she told him about how she’d suffered and how he’d fooled the public with his image. To keep such a letter in his bedside table is not only indicative of his guilt but is also pretty disgusting.

  55. 55
    TinyTim says:

    Ministers who contrived to be ‘away on government business’ should be regarded as having failed their constituents and should face deselection at the next election. Well done to the MPs who had the courage to oppose!

  56. 56
    Boot Fair says:

    Why are MPs who have nothing to do with the route voting for it, when they should be voting for the money to be spread around so their areas benifit?

  57. 57
    UKIP or bust says:

    I wonder if all of them would have opposed if the vote had been closer? After all they were on safe ground.

  58. 58
    Offended says:

    Does that mean that this bullshit Peace Train is unstoppable?

  59. 59
    Three Line Whip says:

    MIGHT – is not a cast iron promise.

    It is an intensional verb of propositional attitude.

    In other words, it leaves him with wriggle room.

    You can only judge people by their behaviours, not their rhetoric.

  60. 60
    Another slime ball says:

    Where’s my hamster?

  61. 61
    Max says:

    I’m in a bit of a mess and urgently need someone in PR to represent me. Anyone available?

  62. 62
    TinyTim says:

    Haha, good point! But even so, at least they had a bit more courage than the dozens who who either voted ‘yes’ to protect their careers and those who were mysteriously away!

  63. 63
    Anonymous says:
  64. 64
    Raving Loon says:

    Does anyone think it is strange that LibLabCon are all ganging up on UKIP together?

  65. 65
    Three Line Whip says:

    You surely are deranged.

    Where is the proof for your statement “Putin has aided the murder of 19000+ kids”.

    It’s “misogynistic” by the way.

  66. 66
    JH293275709234-027 says:

    Just had an Email from Twitter: ‘Nigel Farage is a phoney. Scrutinise him and he’ll crumble’

    Er, thanks for that you politicised, lefty, sanctimonious, neo-liberal useful-idiot fucks. You just happened to decide that was ‘trending’ did you, and feel a completely spontaneous need to email me about it?

    Fuck off. God I love watching them panic. They know they’ve fucked up this time.

  67. 67
    the mystic mould with the appearance of the face of Jesus says:

    please can you try a little harder with the humour ?
    TIA

  68. 68
    jgm2 says:

    It’s touch and go that he’ll get the opportunity to resign. Sure, Labour is in freefall in the polls but they (Labour) can still ‘win’ even if they poll 5% less than the Tories. Plus, while it looks like the Fucking Scotland campaign is moving in his favour ie they’ll fuck off with 50 or more non-Tory MPs you simply cannot take anything for granted.

    I’d still put Cameron’s chances of getting the option to resign in 2017 at no better than 50:50.

  69. 69
    Three Line Whip says:

    @9 HRW

    It’s 88.41% now.

  70. 70
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Only voting UKIP can stop this EU vanity project/white elephant.

  71. 71
    jgm2 says:

    Our ‘collateral damage’ in Iraq is so much more righteous than Assad’s ‘collateral damage’ in Syria.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

  72. 72
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    Traitors the lot of them.

    Walk the plank, walk the plank.

  73. 73
    Common Purpose says:

    No

  74. 74
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    It plays right into UKIP’s hands though.

    Remember all the trolls on here telling us to stop using the term LibLabCon, well now they are proving us right all along.

  75. 75
    Chris Huhne says:

    I might be able to help you!

  76. 76
  77. 77
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Another good reason for the Scots to vote YES to independence is that they will never again have to suffer rule by a Tory government in London, which the majority of Scots didn’t vote for (Thatcher in the 80s and Cameron today).

    The Scots will instead get the government that the majority voted for and it will be based in Edinburgh.

    Freeeeeeeeeeedom!

  78. 78
    jgm2 says:

    What about this poor old chap. 75 years of age. Targeted and murdered by the ‘rebels’.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27155474

    Not even collateral damage. They fucking well sought him out to kill him.

    Utter fucking c*unts. And we’re supposed to support his murderers?

    They can fuck off.

  79. 79
    Idon'tneednodoctor says:

    Syria – It’s 3 years now since the uprising started, and still Assad is bombing the fuck out of his own people.
    How I remember the labour MPs cheering and laughing when they defeated Cameron in the HOC vote for us to take action.
    I wonder if those same labour MPs still do not give a fuck about the Syrian people.

  80. 80
    Idon'tneednodoctor says:

    If you don’t vote you can’t complain. I for one hope the Scots do vote yes.

  81. 81
    jgm2 says:

    Tee hee.

    Oh no, please don’t do that! Whatever will we do without Fucking Scotland?

    Tee hee.

  82. 82
    Green Party says:

    A vote for us is a vote for our children and the future. It’s time to put aside the old politics of left versus right, capitalism versus socialism. A vote for the Green Party is a vote for humanity, world peace, an end to inequality, compassion and cooperation. Love your country. Vote Green.

  83. 83
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    I love the smell of burnt lefty LibLabCon in the morning :-)

  84. 84
    Idiot watch says:

    we should have gone in with our troops to help the ‘rebels’ and facilitated them in butchering all the Christians too…
    Is that it?

  85. 85
    Stupid woman says:

    I hate that Aussie.

  86. 86
    Tom Catesby. says:

    Wonder how the voters in his well heeled constituency have taken the news of Camer’s spinelessness, don’t suppose it comes as any surprise?

  87. 87
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    The eco-loons are even more rabidly pro-EU and pro mass immigration than the LibLabCon.

    They would have us all living in caves.

  88. 88
    Tom Badwind says:

    Can I have some of what you’re on ?

  89. 89
    Glyn H says:

    The point about HS2 is that it is an EU inspired idea which Labour seized upon in the depths of the Brown winter to both make them look forward looking and as another (like the 50p tax rate) elephant trap for the Tories. They ran it through every Tory constituency they could, knew it was ludicrously unaffordable and neither bothered to run it to Heathrow or even into Birmingham. The whole thing was a joke project and how Cameron & Co did not bin it on 6th May 2010 is beyond understanding.

  90. 90
    jgm2 says:

    It’s 3 years now since the uprising started, and still Assad is bombing the fuck out of his own people.

    Think how much better off Syria would be if it was us bombing the fuck out of them!

    Just like Iraq.

    Labour got involved in Iraq for no reason other than Saddam was a ‘bad man’ and as a result 1/2 a million are dead with an ongoing death toll in the hundreds every month due to the ongoing civil war we unleashed.

    And now you want us to repeat the prescription in Syria?

    Are you totally fucking mental?

  91. 91
    Tom Catesby. says:

    ‘Why don’t they leave this gastly party?’…..Er.. salaries, expenses, throughing opportunities, second homes, subsidised, foreign travel, restaurants, bars, etc, etc.

  92. 92
    Rogered Helmet says:

    THIS IS WHY WE’RE CALLED ‘KIPPERS’.

  93. 93
    Green Party says:

    When will people learn the power of love? Life shouldn’t be about the accumulation of wealth and military conflicts. Work for a better world where compassion and peace rule the day, where mutual cooperation underpins our interaction so that we can create a society where everyone is equal and no one is richer than everyone else.

  94. 94
    jgm2 says:

    To be honest they didn’t have to go out of their way to run it through Tory constituencies. Once you get out of the Labour-ridden sewers of the cities it’s pretty much all Tory constituencies.

  95. 95
    nell says:

    So it looks like we shall be throwing our £billions and tearing up more of the countryside to build a railway that’s going to shave 10 mins of a north south journey.

  96. 96
    Winston says:

    This campaign is led by Barbara Roche. This is what Andrew Neather revealed in 2009 about her policy when she was Immigration Minister:

    “Writing in the Evening Standard, he revealed the “major shift” in immigration policy came after the publication of a policy paper from the Performance and Innovation Unit, a Downing Street think tank based in the Cabinet Office, in 2001.

    He wrote a major speech for Barbara Roche, the then immigration minister, in 2000, which was largely based on drafts of the report.

    He said the final published version of the report promoted the labour market case for immigration but unpublished versions contained additional reasons, he said.

    He wrote: “Earlier drafts I saw also included a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural.

    “I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended – even if this wasn’t its main purpose – to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.”

    The “deliberate policy”, from late 2000 until “at least February last year”, when the new points based system was introduced, was to open up the UK to mass migration, he said.

    Some 2.3 million migrants have been added to the population since then, according to Whitehall estimates quietly slipped out last month. “

  97. 97
    Green Party says:

    Vote for love of humanity. Vote Green.

  98. 98
    SIZE 14 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    Cameron would rather take the flak on himself than admit that the H2S has been a EU project all along,knowing that his future sinecure in Brussels is assured. He does not really care if Miliband wins the next general election ,in fact I suspect he would welcome it as a away of ensuring that there never need be an EU referendum .

  99. 99
    jgm2 says:

    Lucky they turned up at all.

    That’s what we pay them to do. Turn up and ridicule the pantomime. Or not turn up at all. We don’t give a fuck.

    UKIP don’t pretend to be doing anything else but taking the piss.

  100. 100
    Green Party says:

    Socialism is not a dirty word. Socialism is about democracy and humanity.

  101. 101
    Tom Catesby. says:

    Anybody else remember the time when the public was being brainwashed with the ‘integration’ con? That didn’t work so now the stategy is to drum, ‘enrichment’ and multiculti ‘diversity’, into the publics’ head, don’t think that’s working either.

  102. 102
    Glyn H says:

    PS; and Labour will ditch it later on to use the £50b+++ to ‘balance’ their books and cause as much trouble as possible in Tory constituencies. They are transparently hypocritical (cf Lib Dems re Boundary changes, tuition fees and a dozen other such items of stunning cant)

  103. 103
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    I though your lot wanted to reduce the world’s population back to the level it was before the industrial revolution.

    I would have thought that you’d be supporting more wars to help cull the population.

  104. 104
    Winston says:

    When HS2 was first announced it was going through Amersham. She sold her house in Amersham and said she was going to retire and move away. Then, they announced a tunnel under Amersham, she decided she might not lose her seat and could not bare to lose all the benefits of being an MP. Not sure if she still live sin the area.

  105. 105
    jgm2 says:

    I’m voting for extra-meat Monday.

  106. 106
    SIZE 14 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    Another even better reason is that we will probably never get another labour government in England

  107. 107
    Anonymous says:

    Don’t tell him, Pike

  108. 108
    jgm2 says:

    Socialism is about democracy and humanity and mass graves.

    Fixed that for you.

  109. 109
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Exactly.

    If you need to get from London to Brum 10 minutes earlier then just catch an earlier train, or am i missing something here?

  110. 110
    UKIP or bust says:

    And bringing home the bacon.

  111. 111
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Socialism always ends up with ban’kruptcy,famine & firing squads.

  112. 112
    jgm2 says:

    They’re going for the traditional socialist approach. Mass starvation and famines.

  113. 113
    Tom Catesby. says:

    Isn’t that the same thing?

  114. 114
    SIZE 14 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    The twentieth reading of some directive concerning the sale, distribution, and packaging regulations of sheep meat within the EU or some such nonsense, would send all but the most dedicated eurofanatic toe sleep

  115. 115
    The Growler says:

    Well ready he inherited the inhertitance of the absolute master, true RC master of porkie pies none other than, the one and only T B’Liar, so what do you expect of him.

  116. 116
    Pookie snackumberger says:

    They didn’t like the term EUSSR either . . .

  117. 117
    Gordon McBrown says:

    Socialism is about spending everyone else’s money as fast as you can, and hoping they won’t notice

  118. 118
    Tom Catesby. says:

    It’s only going to Birmingham Nell, won’t see it going anywhere further North, not in our lifetimes at least, even if the damn thing is ever built.

  119. 119
    SIZE 14 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    Maybe they could start the process by jumping off Beachy Head ,en mass?

  120. 120
    Pookie snackumberger says:

    It’s not just him though is it?

    They all know the truth, yet none will admit it, why? They can’t all be given jobs in the EUSSR, can they?

  121. 121
    jgm2 says:

    It’s an awful looking ‘debating chamber’ as well. It looks like some soviet railway waiting room but without the imposing Art Deco architecture.

  122. 122
    Tom Catesby. says:

    He’s missing f^ck all that matters.

  123. 123
    SIZE 14 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    And then have the stupidity to give them some more .

  124. 124
    The Fat Controller says:

    Someone was wailing on about lack of capacity on the existing trains last night.

    So why not run longer trains? Eurostar sets are 20 coaches long, whereas we put a piddling 9 or 11 coaches on ours.

  125. 125
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    The EU parliament is where democracy and freedom goe to die.

  126. 126
    Tom Catesby. says:

    Where the f^cks Mornington Crescent?

  127. 127
    Pookie snackumberger says:

    So the EU rapid troop and ordnance moving facility has been rubber stamped by 400 traitors.

  128. 128
    SIZE 14 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    Not jobs but maybe little tokens of gratitude .

  129. 129
    Mr Slater's Parrot says:

    SKREEEEEETT!!! (fluffle) KEELHAULTHEMMISTERKHRISTIAN!!

  130. 130
    Myth says:

    Ukip is popular.

  131. 131
    SIZE 14 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    Syria is an internal matter , Do you seriously expect them to roll over and allow themselves to be butchered by religious fanatics without a fight . Just because it’s a so called ‘uprising’ does not mean we must support it , not our business unless it threatens our own interests.

  132. 132
    SIZE 14 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    The only problem with that statement is that the EU has no troops or ordnance worth moving ,the days of mass conscript armies with divisions of infantry and thousand of tanks and artillery pieces belong in history.

  133. 133
    The Growler says:

    The only reason a lot of those opposed HS2 is because the proposed line will run through their constituencies, and the vocal local tories are in uproar about the route, and the MPs are very worried that their 2000 majorities might just melt away giving it to the UKippers, which is more worrying than CCHQ threatening to deselect them. HS2 will knock the time of travel from London to Leeds by a whole 30 mins, wow £50B (and you can double that by the time the project is finished), it seems like Concord all over again, you have to ask yourselves who is going to be able to afford to travel on the thing, folks on expenses, high paid execs who do not pay themselves anyway. The only thing that has bouight this HS2 thing on is the total log jam of flights up north from London airports, and the space that will create when UK only flights finish , let London wallow in its log jam.

  134. 134
    Pompey Voter says:

    … and what about Portsmouth South MP Handycock? Where was he? Where is he? Not been seen or heard from since being chucked out of the Lib Dems both Nationally and Locally. Not too bothered about HS2 perhaps. More bothered about getting elected as an Independent back home.

  135. 135
    The Growler says:

    The answer to that is that they would never make it in any other party or as an independent, tribal voters.

  136. 136
    The Growler says:

    Tom, you can Con some of the people but you cannot Con all the people all of the time.

  137. 137
    Sanctimonious CiFilis says:

    Euracist!

  138. 138
    JH293275709234-027 says:

    Syria, like Iraq, is a patchwork of rival tribes and sky-fairy fanciers who would/do butcher each other given half a chance. The only way to keep a lid on the thing is to have a strong government willing and able to brutalise anyone who tries it on to the point where it simply isn’t worth it.

    Now it used to be the British, which worked well. But ooh no that was wacist and imperialistic, so instead they ended up with a local strong man which again worked reasonably well. Pre-war Iraq had a large middle class and you were safe as long as you didn’t rock the boat.

    Brutal, but simple – which is all some cultures understand. In about 500 years they may have evolved to the point of being able to have a civil democracy, but I’m not placing any bets.

  139. 139
    JH293275709234-027 says:

    It does amuse me that shortly UKIP will significantly boost their seats in that room, thus being in receipt of some serious EU funding which they will use to… fight the EU.

    Fucking delightful. Good to know having your laws used against you goes two ways.

  140. 140
    Anonymous says:

    “The 26 Tory HS2 Rebels”
    were hopefully gainfully employed elsewhere during the vote. Maybe at home watching last night’s “Bang Goes The Theory” programme. Which included demonstration of a technology available for putting more trains on the same track. So that instead of passengers frittering away the time saved by travelling on HS2. Through having to wait for the next departure. Normal speed trains could be more frequent. The better to accommodate those departure times desired. Doh!

  141. 141
    couldabin says:

    I regularly use the train on the west coast line. Before we add extra carriages to the existing trains, we should try filling up those that are running! My wife travelled from London northbound last Friday. She was the only person in the carriage.

    Apart from the peak times, there is plenty of spare capacity. The reason the peaks are so full, even at Virgin’s exorbitant prices, is that businesses are paying, not private travellers.

    We need to shout more about the EU role in all this. This line is part of their plan to have a railway from the North of the UK to the south of Spain. But they didn’t realise that we Brits would then screw it up by making travellers change trains in the capital. Doh!

    We need to derail (pun intended) this plan and substitute schemes which encourage us all to use the trains more, by providing access at a point that is local to us. HS2 is not and will never be the answer.

  142. 142
    The Labour Party are patronising treasonous cunts who should be held to account with a rusty bayonet says:

    No, the analogy works. Your interpretation of the armies role doesn’t change it.

  143. 143
    The Labour Party are patronising treasonous cunts who should be held to account with a rusty bayonet says:

    Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

  144. 144
    Anonymous says:

    ‘….Since the Uprising Started’

    Errrr yes, I’m sure it was an entirely organic uprising from within against the monster Ass’ad.

    Of course there was no instigation, funding, training, arming & supplying of the “rebels” from western ne’o’cons and gulf states.

  145. 145
    Fishy says:

    MPs welcoming Britain into the modern world, 452…….Ludites 41

  146. 146
    Fishy says:

    The point about HS2 is that it is an EU inspired idea

    NO it isn’t

  147. 147
    Fishy says:

    What are the prices going to be then?

  148. 148
    Richard Beeching says:

    ‘fraid it is – and always has been see:

    http://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes/infrastructure/studies/ten_t_en.htm

    Where have you been?

  149. 149
    broderick crawford says:

    DAVID CAMISOLE OF CAMOMIILE SAYS

    I WOULD have voted .

    I t s just I decided to get a good night s sleep and the pill caused me to sleep through my wake up call at 10 pm.

    Still , I m bright eyed and bushy tailed NOW — if any one wants me …… for………anything ..


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