April 15th, 2014

Sums Don’t Add Up for Times Front Page UKIP Story
Outraged Source: I Was Misquoted, Demands Retraction

Guido said this morning that this would get messy, and as predicted, one of the Times’ sources is now kicking back. In a letter to the journalists who wrote the story, David Samuel-Camps says he was misquoted:

“Mr Kenber and Mr Mostrous,

Re: Nigel Farage and office costs

I am extremely concerned that in your report you have distorted my responses to your questions regarding the Lyminster office costs.

On the front page you quote me as stating that the costs were £3000 per year.  This is grossly incorrect.  I told you that the previous manager had tied the office into some supply contracts and as a result the monthly costs were some £2000.  I told you several times that I eventually reduced the costs to £700 per month.  When I went to school we were taught the times tables and that £700 times 12 equals £8400 (which is not too far removed from Mr Farage’s £1000 per month) so where on earth did you come up with a figure of £3000?

At no time did I say that “electricity, heating, and business rates at the office totalled less than £250 a month”.  I told you that I could not remember the individual amounts as it was over four years ago but they would have been in the region of £200 each.

Later, you then contradict yourselves by quoting me as saying that the costs were £700 per month – which is correct.  You asked me a number of times about the £700/month figure which I confirmed several times; again I have to ask how does £700 per month equate to £3000 per year?  I should also point out that our conversations were witnessed.

To the best of knowledge and belief I was completely honest in my answers and resent the fact that those answers have been completely distorted.  I did warn you that there is a small minority who are “mischief makers” – one in particular who would go to any lengths to destroy Mr Farage’s reputation.

I expect you to publish corrections as outlined above.

Finally, I should point out that the Lyminster is nowhere near Bognor Regis; it is on the outskirts of Littlehampton, a fact that could have been verified by looking at an AA road atlas!

David Samuel-Camps BA (Hons) Dip. PA”

To a completely impartial observer like Guido, this doesn’t look good. If what Samuel-Camps is saying is true they should go to the PCC…


151 Comments

  1. 1
    Rob says:

    Why would a pro-EU establishment newspaper make stuff up about Farage? It makes no sense.

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  2. 2
    Deluded Ukipper says:

    liblabcon smears!!!11 I’m sick of the establishment making up incessant lies about ukip!!11

    Oh, criticism of the Tories & Labour? That must be true!

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    • 18
      Smearcat says:

      Care to point out which criticisms of Tories, Labour or LibDems are not true?

      Or are you just wanting to show the world what a dickhead you are…

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    • 19
      Mark Oaten (Liberal Democrat) says:

      Smears…? Getting messy…?

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    • 130
      It puts the lotion in the basket.. says:

      The only smearing I get up to is when I’ve had a curry and then try and wipe with a crisp packet.

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  3. 3
    EU Funded Pro-EU Troll says:

    Vote UKIP

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  4. 4
    Mugabe says:

    So Guido, feel a bit of a tool do you?

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    • 9
      C O (Ξ7q1) says:

      You should ask him on Twitter, but in all honesty, why should he ?

      G’uido is the messenger – thankfully impartial.

      This news does vindicate F’arage in directly addressing individuals at The T’imes earlier today.

      Will be interesting to see if they go to the PCC, or better yet, just initiate libel proceedings.

      Going through the PCC looks weak, direct litigation to force a front page retraction is better. If The T’imes have been mis-quoting their sources, getting that out there loudly should be more than enough.

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      • 13
        Impartial Observer says:

        Guido should have checked his facts before spreading this smear.

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        • 20

          It is a developing story if you want to be last with the news read the Huffington Post.

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          • Nick Robinson says:

            I get all my scoops from the Huff’n’Puff.

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          • Private Eye says:

            Don’t forget us

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          • Ooooo...I didn't see that one coming says:

            Life Of Brian springs to mind…Guido with no arms and no legs……let’s call it a draw says Guido! Loser

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          • tooting popular fare-dodger says:

            like I said… pedal pedal pedal, huff, puff, huff, puff.

            This was always a non-story, and you look like a spiteful tool, bandwagoning with all the blowhards trying to develop the story.

            It’s nothing to do with the public warming to him, it’s EU money… foreigners money… nobody cares about robbing the EU, because the EU are universally regarded as crooks.

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          • RightwinggitRedux says:

            That was Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

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        • 51
          Lord Stansted says:

          Like the BBC?

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        • 65
          C O (Ξ7q1) says:

          He did.

          This blog stated that the source was not the blonde woman.

          It has also reported precisely what F’arage has stated on the record, as well as a letter apparently from one of the sources who are claiming serious wrongdoing at the T’imes.

          The blogs op ed views in red italic thus far have been eminently reasonable, impartial, and broadly in line with the standard for such views expressed as part of the editorial.

          Here’s what the HuffPo have to say – they are at least 4 hours behind the curve.

          F’arage / UKIP are skirting a ‘reds under the bed’ problem with the ‘establishment smear’ line. Now they need to change the narrative quickly to willful distortion and kick this firmly into the long grass.

          Then perhaps should see what the EU anti-fraud guys do: The pressure and focus here needs to be on the EU and its approach to expenses fraud – A much bigger story and one which does not necessarily involve F’arage or UKIP.

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      • 44
        Rickytshirt says:

        It would be absolutely hilarious if he sues them and wins a nice big wad.

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    • 17

      Y’know in the Guy News Room we just think the Cyberkippers, Cybernats, Tory fanboys and Trottish trolls are bonkers. We report you decide.

      We’re not in the business of making things up. That’s why we’re #1.

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    • 32
      Where di Guido's independence go? says:

      Not a big a tool as the Times, which has either run an outright lie, or has not bothered to fact check it’s story. It’s all going to go a bit ‘Newsnight’ for them if they persist.

      You cannot make fraudulent claims against expenditure from a flat-rate allowance system. Once the money is in Farage’s pocket he could literally spend it on coke and hookers and he’d still be fine. If their journos had two brain cells to rub together they’d have realised this, but I guess the desperate clowns at CCHQ were laying on the pressure so heavy that the hacks forgot to do due diligence.

      Guido’s backtracking today, by tomorrow the Times will be retracting in print.

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      • 40
        Tesco is a pile of shite says:

        Just remind us of who owns The Times. Oh, yes………..

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        • 100
          statist says:

          Whose mother just happened to be J e w ish. So we know what that makes him no matter what his stated religion is…or is he another atheist just like Ed Miliband.

          Friends of Israel collude together.

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        • 113
          Winston says:

          And remind us who pays Guido a hefty fee for his column in The Sun.

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      • 47
        Dangerous Brian says:

        He could spend it on coke and hookers if he was a Liblabconner and not a peep of concern (except probably from the Mail).
        But spend it on a pint of bitter whilst espousing the perfectly reasonable opinion that the EU is a crooked left wing behemoth that needs major reform, without assistance from the UK, and vilification lies and smears will follow.
        Anyone would think there was an election coming up.

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      • 78
        jgm2 says:

        If The Times ‘retracts in print’ it will be on page 36 between the Suduko and the Crossword.

        Whoever okayed this article is either a mathematical fuckwit of the highest order (or perhaps lowest order) – which is entirely possible because, no doubt, it will be another liberal arts Oxbridge graduate for whom one number is pretty much the same as the next. Million? Billion? Twelve? Whatever.

        OR

        The numbers were wilfully misinterpreted Labour-stylee, get the story out there, fuck it, we’ll say we ‘mistranscribed’ a number and the person who gathered the information didn’t write the article, plausible deniability, get the lies out there, the story will be what people remember, the retraction won’t even make page 20.

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    • 75
      Daniel Finkelstein says:

      I’ve always been a tool!

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    • 117
      ned ludd says:

      Feel a Tool? Must be a tory! Ooh missus!

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  5. 6
    Steve Miliband says:

    Maybe they are quoting someone else

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  6. 8
    Nick Griffin had a point says:

    The Times is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the EU, multicultural, mass-immigration, liberal-capitalist elite, which is why they have tried to smear Farage.

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  7. 10
    Ha ha ha ha ha says:

    Impartial? You are on the Mur-doch payroll.

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  8. 11
    Euro Boy says:

    “To a completely impartial observer like Guido…”
    (Falls off chair.. frothing @ mouth..)

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  9. 14

    Please note well:

    A round sum expenses allowance is an allowance which is paid to an employee irrespective of whether he or she spends it or not in a particular way. It is to be contrasted with a reimbursement of expenditure actually incurred by an employee and with a scale rate payment intended to reimburse such expenditure

    HMRC

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  10. 15
    Sarah Millington says:

    Lawyer time.

    These smears need to be taken directly to the bank accounts of the smearers.

    Fabulous that the establishment is absolutely terrified of UKIP.

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  11. 16
    Euro Boy says:

    #UKIP fighting fund needs to be initiated on StartJoin crowdfunder..asap..!

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  12. 22
    fedz says:

    So there we have it. The BBC, with their daily dig at UKIP; with the Today programme and then Victoria Darbyshire wasting 25 mins airtime on this as well, and all to no avail……except more positive publicity for UKIP

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  13. 23
    Dr Evil says:

    I really expected a first class smear by the Times not a load of old bollocks just made up. I think Farage should consider suing the Times unless it prints a retraction. The PCC should most definitely be contacted.

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  14. 26
    UKIP defender says:

    Our Nigel just toasted dermot on Sky.

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  15. 27
    Brian Leveson says:

    Go to the PCC? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    Good one Guido. Who said satire is dead?

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  16. 28
    Round the Bend says:

    Mr Mostrous, or should that be Mr Monstrous L£e.

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  17. 30
    *yawn* says:

    “David Samuel-Camps BA (Hons) Dip. PA”

    Beware people who think their qualifications count for anything.

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  18. 35
    Ho Hum says:

    Interesting to note the blog declares: “To a completely impartial observer like Guido…”

    Nope. An impartial blogger/journo would have sought to provide balance on this story hours before the Guido kids bothered to carry any response from Farage.

    Farage had already gone public with a response before the blog posted its first piece today on this, and that piece could have incorporated such comment.

    Then again, the agenda was all about ridiculing Farage — in much the same way Guido resurrected the HIGNY stuff yesterday.

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    • 50
      Where did Guido's independence go? says:

      Who paid Guido to participate in the co-ordinated smear bomb? I guess I’ll have to read about it first on Sunday……..

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    • 52
      Owen's Elementary English teacher says:

      “the blog declares: “To a completely impartial observer like Guido…”

      I think it would be fair to assume he was using irony.

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      • 86
        Ellie-Mae (9) says:

        Yerrs the title of the blog says it…”Tittle tatle etc” Guido used to offer refunds to the malcontents…

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  19. 38
    Bewildebeest says:

    ‘Journalist makes up numbers, confuses facts, gets it wrong, doesn’t give a toss’
    Shock Horror Probe Exclusive.
    Has anybody read the NUJ Code of Conduct lately ?

    Point 2 states ‘information is honestly conveyed, accurate and fair’

    You couldn’t make it up – but they do.

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  20. 41
    Anonymous says:

    Not looking good for the smear merchants @ThEtIMEs.bog

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  21. 43

    Please note well and have a nice lie down:

    A round sum expenses allowance is an allowance which is paid to an employee irrespective of whether he or she spends it or not in a particular way. It is to be contrasted with a reimbursement of expenditure actually incurred by an employee and with a scale rate payment intended to reimburse such expenditure

    HMRC

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  22. 45
    Rinka the Dog says:

    The Zodiac killer is still at large. Can Mr Farage explain his whereabouts between the ages of 4 and 6?

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    • 71
      Nick Robinson says:

      The planet has not been warming for 17+ years, can Mr Farage prove he did not leave his fridge door open?

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    • 120
      Andy did you hear about this one? says:

      Can Nigel prove exactly where he was when the moon landings didn’t take place?

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  23. 46
    ? says:

    Well whether true or not the Westminster crowd have done far worse and have largely got away with it.
    Prescott for example was made a Lord after he cheated on his wife.
    That’ll teach him eh.
    Farage would have to be found out doing something incredibly depraved to beat what we have been taught to expect from LibLabCon politicians.

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  24. 48
    non taxable pikey says:

    Peter Clarke, the ex-deputy assistant commissioner of the Met Police, has been appointed by the Department for Education (DfE) to review the evidence.

    Birmingham City Council said it had more than 200 reports over its inquiry.

    West Midlands Police Chief Constable, Chris Sims, said it was “a desperately unfortunate appointment”.

    He added: “Peter Clarke has many qualities but people will inevitably draw unwarranted conclusions from his former role as National Co-ordinator for Counter Terrorism.”

    Anonymous claims were made in a letter sent to local authorities last year.

    The so-called “Operation Trojan Horse” letter was apparently written by someone in Birmingham to a contact in Bradford.

    Above from the BBC website. Chris Sims, stop with the PC nonsense, Peter Clarke is exactly the right person to be investigating these claims. Hopefully if they are substantiated then convictions will be forthcoming.

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  25. 53
    Genghiz the kahn says:

    Meanwhile as Vlad’s troops prepare to tour the sights of Kiev. Chris Bryant shows himself to be a complete….

    Chris Bryant ‏@ChrisBryantMP 46m
    Just tirned down being a panellist on a Ukraine discussion as it would be all-male. Come on think tanks, think outide the male bubble.

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  26. 55
    Fruitcake, swivel eyed loon, closet racist and proud of it says:

    Doormat on Sky news just tried to skewer Farage.

    Predictably missed the target as Nigel used him as, well, a doormat.

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  27. 58
    Anonymous says:

    Hilarious! Can’t barrage the Farage.

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    General opinion. says:

    They’re obviously panic stricken about Nigel Farage. He should sue. This will convince even more people to vote UKIP in the Euro Elections.

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    • 82
      C.O.Jones says:

      True, as the smear has come at such a politically sensitive time he should milk it for all it is worth.

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  30. 72
    Tom Twatson says:

    I see the story has reached the “Mail” who have acted with glee! – as usual. It’s about time a rather hot fire was set under the arses of one or two editors on Fleet Street for even repeating this garbage without proof. Maybe we should ask Guido to award a “Prick of the Month” prize for editors who publish such unwarranted shit!

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    • 97
      Ooooo...I didn't see that one coming says:

      Can he award it to himself or would that be classified as an inside job?

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  31. 77
    How upseting , not says:

    Keep going G, the messenger always gets kicked in the goolies, both sides are in a froth, but it’s good PR for UKIP either way, it shows how the LibLabCon are behaving in the Palace of Westminster bubble, dirty tricks and anything goes, they only need honest people to vote every 5 years and couldn’t give a sh1t about them any other time, the LibLabCons are worried and it’s showing, yes I will be voting UKIP as I see them as our only hope, so I’am a fruit loop but my vote will help to kick the LibLabCons into the sh1theap where they belong.

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  32. 89
    Typical commenter here, repeat ad nauseum says:

    Bumsex! Bumsex! Bumsex! Bumsex! Bumsex! Bumsex!

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  33. 92
    Anonymous says:

    Worth noting the Times are still tweeting out their smears.

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  34. 94
    Someone says:

    Who reads the Times?

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    • 107
      Lord Stansted says:

      Not me these days.

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      • 136
        Edna Silliband says:

        The Times has reached a new low point of reporting. From now on I will stop buying the Times which was after all hardly read and ended up as shredded paper so my Guinea Pig could poo all over it. Its no longer worthy even of my guinea pig

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  35. 96
    Max says:

    So sad, times was once a fine paper

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    • 105
      Len McCluskey says:

      …and printed by fine men.

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      • 147
        english vastatio says:

        The left’s strategy is clear – they are taking everything, every historical institution… the only response is scorched earth… destroy everything, and build anew once they are defeated and purged, and never let them get a toehold again.

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  36. 101
    Rightallalong says:

    The main parties and their supporters in the Establishment are getting more and more desperate as we get towards polling day. Expect more dirty tactics to come.

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  37. 103
    Anonymous says:

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  38. 106
    Genghiz the kahn says:

    photo/1

    Must be a satirical post unless he was pissed.

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  39. 119
    Anonymous says:

    Interesting that when the Commissioner on Standards pointed out mistakes in the reporting of the Maria Miller case by you and others you didn’t publish that or even link to it.

    “Completely impartial” eh?

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  40. 125
    Bob Crow says:

    Looks funny from down here – all yer petty squabbles!

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  41. 126
    Confused says:

    Are these expenses like the headline says or an allowance? Has he actually made an expenses claim for this?

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    • 127
      Seychelles here I come... says:

      Allowances. The EC, like the World Bank, UN, IMF etc etc just hands out the money on a flat rate basis. Receipts/claims neither required nor necessary.

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  42. 135
    Not in my name says:

    That I the first thing that springs to mind id we are looking for is “Borked”

    The second is IPCC, closely followed by “were you passed when writing that article?” and “who told you to do a half arsed hatchet job on Farage? “

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  43. 141

    The Times is so obviously the Lefty side of the Tories, (I refuse to call them conservatives because they’re not), you can see why that damp rag, Montgomerie, jumped at the chance to push his Lefty agenda there for a bigger audience, (sort of), than he had at Con Home.

    And don’t get me started on that smug, condescending, Lefty fuckpig, Aaranovitch!

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  44. 150
    Ey-up Lad says:

    Looks like Witherow’s hacks are up to their old tricks. Those interest in quality ofjournalism that comes with John Witherow’s editorship should read the judgements in the case of Cruddas v Calvert & Ors [2013] EWHC 2298 (QB) (31 July 2013). See below:-
    http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/sino_search_1.cgi?datehigh=&query=witherow&method=all&highlight=1&results=200&datelow=&sort=date

    These judgements concern the libel cases that arose from the appalling reporting and the sloppy hatchet job done on the Treasurer of the Tory Party (immediately sacked by Cameron) when Witherow’s Sunday Times accused him of selling access to the party brass for financial contributions. It cost the Sunday Times £180k in damages plus legal costs. What is says about Sunday Times journalism and its total disregard for the truth as long as they can twist facts to sort their preconceived headline, is absolutely earth shattering. I hope Farage sues them into the ground.

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  45. 151

    Reblogged this on Jez Pen.

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