April 15th, 2014

Farage Lays Into Times Editor and Fink

A very grumpy Farage has directly attacked Times Editor John Witherow and Danny Finkelstein:

Guido is not sure ‘well I haven’t murdered anyone’ is the best line of defence…


  1. 1
    *yawn* says:

    Trough, trough, trough, trough, trough, trough, trough, trough…

  2. 2
    Piers F-D says:

    Infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it in for me.

    So Nigel’s an expenses cheat. What a surprise.

  3. 3
    Good old Nige says:



  4. 4
    all the world says:

    Watched this on bbc news – they dont understand the difference between expenses and allowances.
    Bunch of numpties – give it to em nige.

  5. 5
    David Cameron says:

    even criminals tell the truth sometimes Nigel

  6. 6
    Maria Miller says:

    It’s only a witch hunt,Nigel,Ducky.

  7. 7
    Dirk Diggler says:

    Clown Prince Nige.

  8. 8
    morbs says:

    Time to see Farage with a piggy nose. What are you waiting for Guido?

  9. 9
    Andrew Efiong says:

    Aha, he’s been flushed out now and on the run, resorting to desperate rearguard attacks to provide cover.

    We know he didn’t murder anyone but we don’t know why he took £60,000 for his office but it was rent free.

    It’s straight out of the Dennis MacShane handbook, shoot the messenger rather than explain what you did with the money.

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    Nermal says:

    I think that the Times will be paying out soon, like they did with Ashcroft when the times was supporting labour.

  11. 11
    sixupman says:

    Hatchet job – to counter the failure of the Clegg/Farage set-up?

  12. 12
    Anonymous says:

    “Farage Lays Into Times Editor and Fink”
    In other news, an MRi scanner and voluntary interrogation could resolve all these claims and counter claims in no time flat. So why no takers?

  13. 13
    Peter Bone -Trougher says:

    That’s good that is,very good indeed.

    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha

  14. 14
    UKIP 4 ALL says:

    The establishment is frightened and it is lashing out in the only way a corrupt establishment knows how.

    It is employing the political muck spreader getting its stooge media to throw enough muck in the hope some will stick.

    This isnt about EU expenses because all the parties do the same thing, this is about trying to smear UKIP just before the May elections.

    Almost all of the accusations are hearsay and rumour and unfounded unfair Chinese whispers.


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    still it could be worse says:

    It’s like water off a duck house’s back

  16. 16
    Nermal says:

    Farage did not take £60,000 for his office, there is no allowance paid for running an office. Fixed amount paid that can be spent on anything from mobile phones etc to publications staff etc.

  17. 17
    The boy david says:

    I see David Steel is keeping is mouth firmly shut in the light of the revelations about the serial Pa*******e in his party Cyril Smith. Yes just you keep your gob shut David, just like you did all those years ago when Smith was running amok. You are a fucking disgrace.

  18. 18
    Robert Feal-Martinez says:

    So a convicted Fraudster. The Times really are desperate to save Cameron.

  19. 19
    Nigel Evans says:

  20. 20
    Fuck off Roop says:


  21. 21
    still it could be worse says:

    if you have an allowance for travel air business class but travel economy that is allowed but if you claim the expenses of a business class seat while travel economy that is fiddling.

  22. 22
    BBC Newsroom says:

    We can still use this to smear UKIP. Let’s go with “Questions are being asked about Nigel Farage’s expenses”

  23. 23
    Admiral Urquhart says:

    Winkle stein needs to stick to footsie stats. Yo vey.

  24. 24
    Mike Newland says:

    They’ve done this too close to the election. It simply looks like an electoral spoiler operation.

  25. 25
    The two muppets. says:

    We learn something new every day.

  26. 26
    Reader says:

    No-one is interested in homosexualist culture. Get a life.

  27. 27
    Mugabe says:

    It is an electoral spoiler operation. Third world stuff.

  28. 28
    Nigel says:

    Outrageous. I would never use the Cayman islands. Too unreliable when you can get numbered accounts in Marshall Islands.

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    C O (Ξ7q1) says:

    Sticking the boot in D’anny F’ink needs to be done repeatedly.

    The guy is an idiot.

    Has he spun any of this onto his refugee parents who were persecuted by UKIP before they came to this country, yet ?

  30. 30
    The Public says:

    Has Cameron stopped beating Roop’s dick yet?

  31. 31
    Gideo says:

    Oh dear.

  32. 32
    blont gurl says:

    hell hath no fury

  33. 33
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Well, I haven’t been shoving my hands down men’s pants while blind drunk

    Or partaking in industrial-scale ch1ld abus3

    Or putting my mortgage on exes to the tune of £45k

    Or ballsing up Ukraine

    Or letting two blokes walk up the aisle in a dress.

  34. 34
    Where are Tony Blair's Expenses says:

    The moral compass of the LibDems
    1. Jeremy Thorpe – Pillow biting
    2. Cyril Smith – Little Boys
    3. Steele recommended Smith for his Knighthood
    4. Paddy Pants Down
    5. Charles Kennedy – drunk
    6. Mark Oaten – Don’t go there
    7. Lembit Opik – Little Girls
    8. Chris Huhne – Congenital liar and sexual pervert
    9. David Laws – Liar and thief
    10. Lord Reynard – Sexual pervert
    11. Mike Hancock – Sexual pervert
    12. Nick Clegg – Congenital liar, he claimed he hadn’t been told about Smith, Hancock and Reynard
    13. Jo Swinson : The new definition for hypocrisy for all her support for the LibDem women during the Reynard affair
    14. Simon Hughes lied about his sexuality in his initial election campaign to defeat Tatchell
    15. Kingston Councillor Derek Osbourne jailed for 2 year for Child Porn offences
    16. Vince Cable – The new definition for political loyalty
    17. Tim Farron – the LibDems’ Brutus about as trustworthy as a PPI salesman

    Who are the 7% who are still planning to vote LibDems, are you all perverts and liars

  35. 35
    Maria Miller says:

    Good Morning to all of you BumSexers out there on this lovely,sunny day.

  36. 36
    C O (Ξ7q1) says:

    The nod from his legal counsel ? :-)

  37. 37
    Anonymous says:

    Was the £60,000 to pay his rent or just an amount paid so that he could have an office but how it’s spent is up to Nigel.

    Back in the 80’s when working in Africa, I was paid £50 pounds a day living allowance instead of expenses – if it cost more then tough on me if it cost less then a local charity was very happy (as I did not need the money). But that’s the way the system worked. If I understand correctly MEPS do not get expenses but allowances and the details of how it’s spent is up to to Nigel, if Nigel does not want to spend all of this allowance on a fancy office he is not allowed to ask for a smaller allowance it’s a one size fits all.

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  39. 39
    EU Funded Pro-EU Troll says:

    Vote UKIP

  40. 40
    Winston says:

    Perhaps its time for us ex-Tory activists to start releasing what we know. Tory MEPs claim full office allowances for fake offices, often their local constituency office. They do this in the Finchley and Golders Green office, where they own the Freehold of building. Are the Times or Guido interested? Or are you going to delete the post? I also have homophobic emails rants from Tories about the local gay MP. Do you want to see them?

  41. 41
    Steve Miliband says:

    Bit more smug shoutiness should do it

  42. 42
    Admiral rodney says:

    Or get…a I d s….hopefully.

  43. 43
    David Steel says:

    Go home and prepare for cover up.

  44. 44
    Where are Tony Blair's Expenses says:

    Precisely – the political establishment are in panic mode

  45. 45
    Anon says:

    You are therefore unfit to be an MP.


  46. 46
    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    ‘well I haven’t murdered anyone’

    Give it time ol’ son.

  47. 47
    Nick Clegg says:

    Those 7% can be found in the House of Commons Library.

  48. 48
    Admiral rodney says:

    The rants would not serve any purpose to help our stud Nigel so…no. The rest if you want.

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  50. 50
    Holiday over says:

    So £60k is less than Miller’s £45k. Oh dear.

  51. 51
    carlo gambino says:

    blah… UKIP new kind of politics… blah… liblabcon… blah…establishment striking back… blah…

    Vote UKIP

  52. 52
    FrankFisher says:

    Oh they understand alright, it just doesn’t suit their narrative to tell the truth.

  53. 53
    Admiral rodney says:

    Does Clogg not recall Spanker Cyrillic taking his pants down as a young member?

  54. 54
    non taxable pikey says:

    They can actually read?

  55. 55
    Anonymous says:

    Except he isn’t. These are allowances, paid at a flat rate. Nige could have spent it on coke and hookers (as many MEPs do) and he’d still be in the clear.

    Pressing this will result in an almighty climbdown for the journos, so why are they doing it?

  56. 56
    Abuse Corrupt Control says:

    He has no memory of this nor indeed does he remember his old School was run by a number of child absers including the head master.

  57. 57
    non taxable pikey says:

    Per Diem, makes it worthwhile working in West Africa, and what keeps the offshore oil industry in personnel.

  58. 58
    C.O.Jones says:

    Expect more of this nonsense in the run up to the euro elections. They can accuse Farage of anything they want in the full knowledge that any redress in the courts could only come after the elections are long gone.
    But by then the damage will have been done.

    It is getting dirty.

  59. 59
    Panto Wedding Planner says:

    After an early flourish the puff wedding business is not sustaining. Only the MPs and their advisors seemed to have any real zeal for this, the benders are mainly maintaining an unusual silence. I am probably ruined and appeal to Vague for government aid, not aids.

  60. 60
    The Public says:

    ie, his office

  61. 61
    Anonymous says:

    Sodomy, Sodomy they have all got it into me.

  62. 62
    Maximus says:

    Sic. Etiam Miller.

  63. 63
    Persona non grata says:

    Bet there will be no takers, the might look at others accounts. That’s a can of worms they don’t want opened.

  64. 64
    Smiley says:

    Murdoch must be paying you big shekels for these pieces Guido – you fucking oirish c’unt.

    Keep it up though as it just keeps on increasing the UKIP vote.

  65. 65
    Ho Hum says:

    Just to be clear, Guido, his line of defence was not: ‘well I haven’t murdered anyone’

    A twist here, or there, or doing anything to distort the actual message seems to be the Guido agenda on this.

    Even when purporting to provide balance by finally giving the Farage side of story.

    Starting to look seriously like Cameron’s “three stooges”.

    This piece posted by Guido at 10.41 — only 2-1/2 hours after the BBC (which can never be accused of being impartial) gave the Farage side of the story.

    News flow generally quiet at the moment — could be useful time for the Guido kids to take a journalism course.

  66. 66
    Sue Denim says:

    Me too. I used to get a daily allowance. What I spent it on (or not) was entirely up to me. My company did not care. In certain circumstances, I was obliged to provide receipts for purchases. As long as I did, and it was a reasonable price for a valid expense, then it was reimbursed. If I tried to claim for something not permitted or at a ridiculous price, it would be rejected.

  67. 67

    The guy is not an idiot. I happen to know, albeit from a while ago.

    But it is distressing to see him behaving like one here. That is the problem in having a paymaster.

    It is also the problem in once having had a large audience with a lot of varied feedback to a small one with a limited gene pool. Such has the Times become. Maybe there was no other way. It is dying like the rest of them.

  68. 68
    Panto Wedding Planner says:

    With an orange in both orifices (males).

  69. 69
    Apthorpe says:

    Indeed, the prospect of a strong UKIP showing in May will cause problems for the LiBLabCon cabal. UKIP can’t win of course but that is not the issue but it can cause Dave and Helium Ed a problem of policy change in the run up to the GE that they want to avoid as they have no intention of carrying through and substantive reform of our relation to the EU, totally the opposite in fact.

    To be honest I’m not bothered if Farage has had his nose in the trough the key point is voting UKIP is the only protest show in town and if you miss it you’ll be sorry. The key is to move the position of the Conservative Party and a strong UKIP showing in May will be a good way to kick it off.

  70. 70
    C O (Ξ7q1) says:

    ‘Can of worms’ ?

    More like an overfilled pork barrel full of worms.

  71. 71
    The Public says:

    send them to beforeitsnews.com – they print anything.

  72. 72
    Dorkass says:

    Troll jumps off EU gravy train onto UKIP bandwagon.

  73. 73
    Observant says:

    Because they are so desperate to smear UKIP prior to the EU election next month.
    We’re going to see an awful lot of shit flinging in the next 37 days – on the basis that if you fling enough some will stick. I think the electorate have become more savvy about this and quite a lot of the flying ordure will have the effect of raising UKIP’s profile rather than the effect they desire.

  74. 74
    The two muppets. says:

    Are you starting to panic?

  75. 75
    The Cumbrian says:

    By all accounts in Cumbrian, Mr Farron’s sexual preferences are very unclear.

  76. 76
    Lets get real. says:

    On that argument the rules that applied in the House of Commons had not been broken, does not make it right, the man is a slimy shit, lets be frank and he does not like being exposed as the piggy trougher he is, he threw the accusations but cannot take it when he is shown up.

  77. 77
    The Public says:

    They gays may be wising up that apart from the historical novelty value no-one wants to attend their pantomime weddings.

  78. 78
    Smearcat says:

    Today, ConLibLab announce they are taking time off from rent boys to smear UKIP.

  79. 79
    Di Rear says:

    When did he say this? Listen to the recording.

  80. 80
    Panto Wedding Planner(bankrupt) says:

    All so sick of a whining welsh tosser ex squeaker probably. BTW, 130k should have been easily saved by a late fifties single male whose doting mother has died. So we won’t be paying your QC costs, wanka.

  81. 81
    Ho Hum says:

    I suspect Guido will be in the frame too.

    It’s taken this blog hours to provide any response from Farage, having earlier posted without any balance the Times allegations.

    Given how Guido was boasting recently that this was the UK’s most read political blog, he’s provided handy ammo for Farage’s legal team.

  82. 82
    My Dick says:

    More PIE eaters.

  83. 83
    albacore says:

    And, even if he had committed homicide
    Ain’t that summat that Parliament takes in its stride?
    Though, breeding out the British is more in their style
    To please the E U and, of course, make their own pile

  84. 84
    My Dick says:

    Why else vote (pervert) LibDem, you know it makes sense.

  85. 85
    Observant says:

    + many – completely agree.

  86. 86
    Labour is the nasty party. says:

    The only party smearing UKIP is Labour as the Conservatives are expected
    to come third anyway in the European Elections.

  87. 87
    Poor working class says:

    What’s the point in seen elsewhere: you can’t read most of them unless you paŷ a subscription. Oh and lay of farage he is only using the corrupt system of the eu. Have a look at the other mep’s as well.

  88. 88
    Apthorpe says:

    Give Dave and his Heathite fellow travelers a shock and vote UKIP in May. Best chance you’ll have that have to let rip. You’re paying for the show anyway might as well have a laugh at them for once.

  89. 89
    Rotherhampoofta says:

    Farage gets my vote!

  90. 90
    Truthteller says:

    LibLabCon are bricking themselves. Ha Ha Ha.

  91. 91
    Panto Wedding Planner(b'krupt) says:

    Apparently only gay men will go.

  92. 92
    Tony Blair says:

    I shredded my expenses. Miraculously, there are no other copies.

  93. 93
    My Dick says:

    FFS you total cun-t.

  94. 94
    Oleg the orrible says:

    This Tatchell?
    No wonder the LibDems don’t go to Russia?

  95. 95
    C O (Ξ7q1) says:

    Was going on his recent input on the BBC, and latest work.

    Agree that he is under an editorial kosh (although he himself is an executive editor…), but that doesn’t cover him for his recent commentary elsewhere, which was a bit: WTF ?

    Might be instructive to find out precisely who his paymaster really is.

    Being ennobled by Cameron for his prior failures politically (it would seem, and that includes advising H’ague and O’sborne back in early 2000’s) also does not enhance his image much.

  96. 96
    EU Funded Pro-EU Troll says:

    Vote UKIP

  97. 97
    The real Maria Miller says:

    I have screwed you all right royally.

  98. 98
    Winston says:

    No, you are wrong. MPs were making fraudulent and exaggerated claims. MEPs get fixed allowances.

  99. 99
    Leon Brittan says:

    I remember Nick as a likely young chap.

  100. 100
    The real Maria Miller says:

    Another twat.

  101. 101
    Observant says:

    Er, actually please do get real.
    A claimed expense is not an allowance.

  102. 102
    brown-dog says:

    …and mine.

  103. 103
    Nigel Evans says:

    Of whom there are far fewer than the propagandists claim

  104. 104
    The real Maria Miller says:

    Yes 60K in allowances is less that 45K thieved.

  105. 105
    Argo says:


    “…the benders are mainly maintaining an unusual silence.”

    That makes a change.

  106. 106
    pissed over taxpayer says:

    …and mine!

  107. 107
    David Davies says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice to find Cameron with an orange in his mouth and a 2ft black dildo up his arse with black jack Harmon helping him.

  108. 108

    I suppose Hancock and Reynard could be described as sexual perverts in the context of this parliament, they had an interest in women!!!

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    Ooooo...I didn't see that one coming says:

    No crosshairs, eh Guido? It would be easier bringing down Dave or Milipede than ol’ Nige, I’m afraid as the momentum is picking up. Anyway, enjoy your 30 pieces of silver. I don’t think you realise that you are going to alienate a lot of your followers if you carry on with this stuff. Toodle-pip!

  110. 110
    nigels parachute says:

    Vote ukip or not at all

  111. 111
    Not in my name says:

    Transparent Smear.

    Won’t do them any good despite what overexcited strategy wonks might like to think.

  112. 112
    Jim says:

    What a Man. Telling what was a major newspaper how morally disgraceful it is just before an election.
    If he wins he obviously wants to win with clean hands and he is not going to suck up to anybody just to curry favour.
    Have not seen this high standard from a Politician for years.
    However the Media are unified in their views and they will get him before the Election.

  113. 113
    DynoRod Dave, Shitshifter to the Clergy says:

    Yes. Exactly.

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    Figel Narage says:


  115. 115
    Not in my name says:

    Oh and it is one of the fixed rate allowances given to all MEP’S, not an expense claim.

    But I suppose that would make for piss poor headlines

  116. 116
    Jim says:

    No these people are relying on voters lack of knowledge to smear this man. The more you say there is no smoke without fire the more successful they are. By linking two different systems of payment they are trying to link UKIP to the UK Politicians and everybody knows how crooked they are when it comes to expenses.
    Hatchet job done.

  117. 117
    Nigel for Prime Minister says:

    You are so right. Just recall after the first Clegg/Farage debate. All those journalists etc within the Westminster bubble said, confidently, that Clegg won easily one suggesting that because Farage sweat a great deal he lost! BUT as soon as THe SUN published their telephone opinion poll, which later was vindicated by others, the same hypocritical journalists and hangers on could not get over the fact that THEY, like the LibLabCon Party within Westminster, are detached from the people.

    Guido, I am sorry to say, has fallen into the same trap with his constant denigration of Ukip.

  118. 118
    Broken GPS says:

    Andrew, why don’t you do us all a huge favour and just effiong off and stop wasting our precious bandwidth with your bullshyte.

  119. 119
    Anonymous says:

    You are flat wrong. You are either a Tory shill or you haven’t taken the time to look.

    This is no technicality, it is an outright lie by the times. They will be caught out on it.

  120. 120
    Nigel for Prime Minister says:

    What about Cameron’s expense claims? You and I would have been before the court.

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    Broken GPS says:

    That’s right – it WAS the most read political blog, but that was some time ago before he knelt before that crooked Australian or American whatever he is now.

    Shame really as this place used to provide hours of fun and, more importantly, enlightenment.

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    Nick Griffin had a point says:

    Finkelstein – one of those establishment wafflers who operate under the disguise of “journalist”. All his articles are “thought pieces” needing little or no digging…..I’ll bet he’s never reported a chip-pan fire or a road accident or a magistrate court hearing in his life.

  123. 123
    The view from Haifa says:

    Vy you are askink zat qvestion? Hmm? Answer, boy, I vant to know. Oy vey iz zere no let up to all zis pressure?

  124. 124
    Corporal Jones says:

    He doesn’t like it up ‘im.

  125. 125
    You-KIP, We-KIP, I'm off for a KIP... says:


  126. 126
    Rupe the Cuckold says:

    He does not deny murdering anyone in the interview.

    A new angle for you, boy.

  127. 127
    lojolondon says:

    Lib Dems is the natural home for people who like to have sex with the disadvantaged.

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  129. 129
    Hang all Tories says:

    Farage has agreed for he an UKIP to be independently audited.

    Oh dear ….. if that sets a precedent there will be a lot of snouting Tory and Labour MPs and MEPs shitting themselves now

  130. 130
    Hang all Tories says:

    Or raped 8 year old boys like the Liberals have

  131. 131
    broderick crawford says:

    Cayman Islands ? They ‘re yesterdays haven now Cammo s done a deal with all the Caribbean dependencies for information exchange.

    Surely Panama is the new bolthole now ( not to mention Vanuatu , Labuan and Mauritius –so we won’t)

  132. 132
    Anonymous says:

    There’s nothing the BBC doesn’t know about troughing, the screaming hypocrites.

  133. 133
    LawdBellesconi says:

    I hope that UKIP instruct Sue, Grabbit and Run, to claim for massive damages. Now THAT should frighten the attackers. It would frighten me.

  134. 134
    LewdLuke says:

    Just a few Lib-Dem peccadilloes coming to light. No. 2 only allegedly spanked a few young boys’ bums. No big deal – surely? Goes on all the time in the House.

  135. 135
    LewdLuke says:

    How do you know?

  136. 136
    Anonymous says:

    Who was it who pulled the police off Smith? Those people do need a noose around their neck.

  137. 137
    The Real Population says:

    Farage is a dirty cheating scumbag. Good to see he’s finally been outed. More please.

  138. 138
    Alexei Romanov says:

    The woman in question has not been charged and has not heard from the Police whereas we all know about the money just not what he has done with it.

  139. 139
    thostids says:

    Certainly, by definition, they are in a very tiny minority but in the inclusive language that justified the perverse concept of homosexual “marriage”, they’re all perverts together. You never know. Caretaker Cameron might get the pride for Polygamy. Archbishop Justintime is bound to go for it. Indeed, why stop there.

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    thostids says:

    Seeing that he voted in 2011 for the revocation of the provision for those acquitted of all charges to be paid the costs of their Defence from Central Funds, he should stop whining.

  141. 141
    thostids says:

    Only if it involves a hook on the back of a kitchen door. And a Coroner.

  142. 142
    Not holding my breath says:

    Well, Mr. Blair, shouldn’t you pay them all back as there is no evidence to support them?

  143. 143
    Anonymous says:

    “No hotlinking please. ”


    noscript is warning of an XSS attempt,

    Get your act together Guido!

  144. 144
    catesby says:

    There needs to be an investigation into the Lords and the absurd cronyism attached to it’s place men. Another political scandal may be afoot. When the Tories are kicked out there wont be many Ministers ‘elevated’ to the Lords as Hague and co will be too busy making millions.

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“If you look at all the psychological profiling about bombers, they typically will look at porn. They are literally w***ers. Severe onanists. They are tortured. They will be very badly adjusted in their relations with women, and that is a symptom of their feeling of being failures and that the world is against them. They are not making it with girls, and so they turn to other forms of spiritual comfort — which of course is no comfort.”

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