April 2nd, 2014

Farron’s Bedroom ‘Tax’ Peacocking

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Tim Farron is showing some leg to Labour again this morning, committing to withdrawing the LibDems’ support for the spare room subsidy cut. In a speech to the Centre for Social Justice that could have easily been cobbled together from old Labour Party press releases, Farron will say:

“The onslaught of divisive rhetoric that demonises the poor can never help us to create a fairer society. The bedroom tax causes huge social problems and distorts the market – we as a party cannot support this.”

Farron needs to get his Labour-friendly rhetoric up to date, these days they admit the bedroom ‘tax’ is not really a tax. And does the welfare transfer cause “huge social problems” as Farron claims? The number of evictions caused by the spare room subsidy is tiny, there is evidence it is nudging people into work, it is bringing empty homes back into use and it is saving up to a million pounds a day. But why let the evidence get in the way of another chance to position yourself for 2015…


75 Comments

  1. 1
    Mitch says:

    Single parents who’s children don’t live with them all the time are also affected. So, a single man is only ‘allowed’ one bedroom even though he may need 2 or 3 for his children sometimes. That is clearly wrong.

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    • 4
      Steve Miliband says:

      Pay the subsidy. I want to live in a 8 bedroom house but I can’t afford to, therefore I don’t.

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      • 9
        Mitch says:

        You can’t afford an 8 bedroom house and some can’t afford a 2 bedroom house. You make a silly argument.

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        • 21
          Steve Miliband says:

          You said children don’t live with the parent but they ‘need’ 2 or 3 extra bedrooms for them, so 2 adults with 3 children need 2 houses with 8 bedrooms?

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          • Mitch says:

            A parent and 3 children can’t sleep in one (possbly small) bedroom, obviously. In this example there are indeed two homes and, if both parents are on benefits, then probably housing benefit for both.

            I don’t make the rules. I’m saying that if we’re going to have housing benefit then at least have a system that makes sense.

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          • Steve Miliband says:

            Single parents in private market would probably not afford two houses with 8 beds – they would have to compromise.

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          • a non says:

            Should one assume that the mother of the 2 or 3 children suggested has adequate rooms for their joint brood then it would appear more fair for the mother to support the fathers need for the cost of his extra rooms to temporarily house them than expect the government to shell out an extra subsidy.

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          • can work won't work says:

            Stop sponging, get a job and find a house that you can afford (like the majority of us who make our own way in life).

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        • 42
          Economist says:

          If you can’t afford children, don’t have them.

          Fucking simpleton.

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        • 52
          Working Man says:

          It’s not silly at all, if the man in your example got a job and stopped claiming benefits, he’d not have to move at all and would be able to live wherever he could afford.

          Stop making excuses for the feckless.

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    • 6
      Jim says:

      Are you saying taxpayers should pay for more than one home per family in need?

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      • 18
        Mitch says:

        I’m saying that if we taxpayers are going to support people with their rent then they should get the minimum they need. We spend £190bn on welfare each year and yet we are creating obviously inequitous situations like this.

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        • 24
          Liam Byrne ( aka Baldemort ) says:

          Under Labour, the safety net became the featherbed. This Country cannot afford to sit idly by and watch the so-called ‘Social Safety’ bill rise beyond the current £ 222 BILLION.

          Why can’t people get it through their thick heads that there’s no money left ?

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          • Mitch says:

            I agree with you. But, people on benefits didn’t create the massive debt we have. Why not cancel HS2 or Trident rather than chasing single parents for a couple of quid?

            All postwar governments have been quite happy to help create the social problems we have. They can’t just walk away when the bill comes in.

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          • Micawber says:

            Why not do all of these things and give the taxpayer a break?

            BTW People on benefits did contribute to the debt.

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          • Economist says:

            @Mitch 18

            If you are on benefits and cannot afford to house your children you should not have had them and should not be having any more.

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      • 29
        Ma­q­bo­­ul says:

        He is saying that/ If a man in work divorces he will leave the family home and more than likely end up in a bedsit. But your benefits dependent chappie is entitled to a three bedroomed house according to Mitch here. Very generous with other people’s money, Lefties.

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    • 13
      More cultural enrichment now! says:

      What the hell, why not have 5 bedrooms, after all we’re all paying for it.

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    • 16
      Wish list says:

      A free house should be a pub, not a demand.

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    • 32
      Mememememememe! says:

      Sorry what do you mean don’t live with them all the time ? have they moved out in which case you don’t need the room and if they are at uni running up a debt they will in all probability never pay back then tough they will just have to kip on the sofa like many of us much poorer then you have to do !

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      • 36
        Mitch says:

        I was thinking of children at school who spend time between two separated parents, which is the norm in these cases I would say.

        Are you seriously expecting children to sleep on the sofa in 21st century Britain? That may happen anyway, but to expect it is a little harsh.

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        • 41
          Micawber says:

          If the dad wants them to sleep on a bed then let him get a job and pay for one.

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        • 49
          Libertarian says:

          Self responsibility isn’t your strongest attribute is it?

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        • 50
          Piss-poor Comedian says:

          Simple answer: the children stay in the one “family home”, and mother and father have to move in and out of it. They could share a bedsit for the times they’re not in the family home with the kids.

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    • 45
      Mick Salazar says:

      You’re having a turkish. So our single man sires some kids, splits up and now expects me to pay for him to live in a large house with spare rooms just so his kids can pop over from time to time?

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    • 61
      Anonymous says:

      What about single parents who own a one bedroomed flat, what do they do? They just get on with it as I do. There is always a leftie apologist ready to speak up for those on benefits or with a council home. The Government are right, the privilege of those in council homes knows no bounds! We’d all like to live in a 5 bedroom house with plenty of room for the visiting brood!!

      By the way Tim Farron is a plonker.

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  2. 2
    Anonymous says:

    If ever a twat was out of his depth it’s this fucker. He looks like a helper at a holiday camp.

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    • 19
      Billy Butlin says:

      In the photo above he looks like Nigel Farage’s younger brother.

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    • 31
      Ma­q­bo­­ul says:

      Speaking of camp. To me he looks like a male BA trolley dolly.

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    • 55
      Just Asking says:

      Lib Dems seem not to pick them for their looks or wisdom.
      So what on earth are the standards they use?
      Ignorance and party loyalty seem appropriate to me.

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  3. 3
    Nigel Farage says:

    Yaaaawwwnnnnnn.

    What a lovely day for a few pints and a bit of Clegg bashing.

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    • 71
      Dave says:

      Come on Nige,take the prick apart,infact don’t say anything just come on stage,headbutt him and walk off.

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  4. 5
    Ah! think of a name says:

    Union boss threatens to launch left-wing rival party

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  5. 7
    Anonymous says:

    ‘We as a party cannot support this’. Yes they do, they are in government.

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  6. 8
    Suppurative sore Farron makes for yellow pussies says:

    Farron? Another yellow weevil and once more crawls out from the woodwork. At times I ponder on – can this to88er [or any Libdumb/labourite/unite unionist] really be of the same country – as me?

    The libdhimmis are a crime against humanity, I demand that my human rights are respected, forthwith Parliament should legislate to repatriate all libdhimmis and back to North Korea/any planet other than this one – whence they came.

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  7. 10
    Tom Catesby says:

    Yes they do support the policy. The last time I bothered to look the scumbags were still in government.

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  8. 11
    The Old Codger says:

    “But why let the evidence get in the way of another chance to position yourself for 2015…” Fawkes they will all be doing the same thing, the elections are a coming Less than 2 months for the EU’s and 14 months for the GE. Garage is taking from all parties and nobody is sure what effect he is going to have. Is Rupe still backing the Cons or is he starting to hedge his bets, you know he always wants to be on the winning side.

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  9. 12
    Don't look this way, look over there says:

    Don’t know what he’s bleating about, him and his Liebour mates, made ordinary people of this country poor, with high taxes and 3000 mostly unworkable laws and immigration, Liebour are not for the working people of this country, they are not even for the non working people of this country, they are there for themselves, all politicians and political parties of this country are not for the people of this country but for making themselves rich and untouchable by law

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  10. 14
    Nick Clogg says:

    I need to show a bit more of my emotional side. I could cry every time I think of the money and the lifestyle when I become an EU commissioner.

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    • 53
      Piss-poor Comedian says:

      Tell a few knob jokes. Never fails for me. Have you heard the one about …… zzzzzzzz

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    • 59
      Big Momma says:

      Nick Toenails Robinson gave advice to Nick Clegg on tonight’s broadcast on the Toady Programme this morning. Hilarious as are all Robinson’s utterances.
      Mixture of bleedin’ obvious mixed with a modicum of sense and bias.

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  11. 15
    Jim says:

    LibDems playing both sides of the fence is becoming tiresome. The Tories need to show some Principles and hold them to account or kick them out now (just for a bit of fun).

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    • 62
      Tacitus. says:

      Nice idea to have a major row with them 6 months before the election; dissolve government over their loony obstructive issues; and go to the people on an election.
      Labour and Lib Dems left floundering and the Tories now have to go it alone as the Limp Dims will not ally with them again.

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  12. 17
    nell says:

    He’s obviously pinning his hopes of a lib lab coalitionin 2015 and the chance of another cushy job on the government gravy train.

    He’ll be lucky!!

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    • 64
      Nick Cleggover says:

      I have my back up plan as a Left Wing EU Commissioner in place.
      If the Tories get in I will fight them tooth and nail with stupid and costly EU initiatives.

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  13. 20
    Nick Clegg says:

    Tonight, I’ll be spouting more lies.

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  14. 22
    C O (Ξ7m) says:

    Levelling the field between private and public sector housing is a good thing. Labour got caught out because they were hoping to use this little fiddle to shore up their support.

    To save £50m / day: Exit the EU.

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  15. 23
    nell says:

    Of course they are all positioning themselves ready for the 2015 election. lenmcclusky says if militwit loses the 2015 election he’s going to form his own left wing party and run for no 10 himself

    Ho hum . The Monster Raving Loony Party Mark II but without the intellect.!!

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  16. 25
    The Competition Commission says:

    In what way is the market for spare bedrooms being distorted?

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  17. 30
    Tim Farton, President of the Cockroach Party says:

    If I can’t lead the Liberal Democrats into another glorious electoral victory in 2015 I shall defect to the Bus Pass Elvis Party.

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  18. 35
    Grimbling says:

    Will the real Harry Enfield please stand up?

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  19. 38
    carlo gambino says:

    Mmmmm how I love the stink of shallow, naked ambition in the morning.

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  20. 43
    Anonymous says:

    “The onslaught of divisive rhetoric”
    effectively demonstrates the difference between using untested ideology, rather than reality, as a reference point? In the latter case, a ruling needs must apply equally to all. Whilst in the former, it only need apply to everyone else. Human perceptions being by nature notoriously subjective. It is little wonder that such minds would not ’see’ themselves as hypocritical.

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  21. 46
    Mick Salazar says:

    He might as well stand on a soapbox and tell the world he wants to waste money.

    If people with spare rooms don’t like the benefits cut, get a lodger in to pay some rent. Job done.

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  22. 47
    The Daily Deceiver says:

    “Demonising the poor”

    I thought I was a bullshitter, but this is way above my best.

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  23. 48
    albacore says:

    Dear me, whatever will Cast-Iron Cameron do
    If the LibDems skedaddle, leaving him in the poo?
    Mind you, with LibLabCon policies mainly the same
    Who could spot any change in the old pro-E U game?
    As for referenda or ending immigration
    There’s no room in all Parliament for reformation

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  24. 51
    Gerbil 7 says:

    Labour quisling.
    I hope his electorate notice this.

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  25. 67
    Lke you said the bankers ARE scum says:

    All very well Guido but why oh why has it fallen upon the poor, disabled and the unemployed to suffer because a load of (w)bankers (& politicians) couldn’t contain their greed and caused the world to go tits up

    Why aren’t those who caused it being made to suffer financially

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    • 72
      carlo gambino says:

      The UK debt was too high long before 2008.

      The benefits bill was too high long before 2008.

      Not least because too many people saw a life on benefits/ ‘on the sick’ as a choice.

      Unfortunately those on the (pretrendy) left can’t/ won’t realise that.

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  26. 74
    b-b-p says:

    Call it what you want it is a drop in benefit ,it is no more than the Public being socially cleansed on the housing market through lack of building by Governments .It is “Edging people into work” stick your head back up your posterior you might find some work there ,same place as you get opinions from .

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The lefties are attacking because the panellist is a millionaire and lives in a London home worth upwards of two million. Someone had best tell them he’s called Ed Miliband.


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