March 27th, 2014

LibDem Poll Spin: Clegg Actually Lost 65%-28%

LibDem press office is trying to spin its way out of last night’s 22 point thumping, selectively quoting three lines of YouGov pollster Peter Kellner’s methodology to suggest the results were unfair on Clegg:

Yet if you look at Kellner’s reasoning in full rather than the heavily edited LibDem version, if YouGov had done what the LibDems wanted and not “skewed” the poll Farage would have actually beaten Clegg 65% to 28%:

“An alternative approach would have been NOT to have corrected the political skew among our original 3,000 sample. The argument for doing this is that any assessment of audience reaction should take the audience as it is – in this case, accepting that UKIP supporters were much more likely to watch or listen to the debate than supporters of other parties. Had we done this, I estimate that the verdict of the audience would have been Farage 65%, Clegg 28%. Those who prefer to cite this figure, rather than to adjust for the UKIP-rich nature of the audience, are of course free to do so.”

A spectacular trajectory of toys from pram.


167 Comments

  1. 1
    Pint, please says:

    Towns and cities, school rolls and hospitals full of Gimmes all speaking other languages is not a win win for us. We want our country back.

    First.

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    • 11
      Satisfying anti and pro EU and those inbetweeners says:

      Leave The EU. In law, all directives, laws, ruling. you name it, are considered by Whitehall (or equivalent body) etc for their general good, or not, or modification, and presented to Parliament to vote on individually. That way we get the best bits, our points are observed, and what we don’t like is not inplemented and does not require agreement. To boot we save far more than Maggie ever achieved. Oh and the MPs have to do some work.

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      • 25
        english minority says:

        The BBC and ITV were elated when Cleggie shot back with a leaflet saying that 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians have the right to live here now. He said there weren’t 29 million in these countries. Actually he is wrong …cue for BBC and mass media to apologise as that is exactly the population of those two countries

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        • 32
          Nick's Mammy says:

          No it’s 27 Million, as 2 million have already left to thieve in France and Spain.

          So my son is correct.

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          • english minority says:

            Those two million have been replaced in Bulgaria and Romania by folk from further east . Moldovans can get a Romanian passport as they are ” family” and Bulgaria sells a Bulgarian passport to anyone for 100k.

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          • Anonymong says:

            Your son is a bellend.

            A thieving, handwringing, climber of the slippery pole of the EU.

            He needs the Clarkson Solution.

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          • PC Dixon says:

            AND CLEGG LIED – What is it about Clegg and the others that they just LIE in the knowledge that most people will never find out – the more people we can get reading GUIDO the better our nation will be in knowing the real truth. – They will NEVER get it from GLEGG.

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      • 143
        Anonymous says:

        Bullshit Whitehall always guilds the lilly when it comes to EU Directives

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    • 12
      The Tmes of London says:

      Too late mate

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      • 22
        Toxic Labour for Spongers, Parasites, Criminals, Peedos, Green Nazis & other Wasters says:

        The political class won’t give us our Country back, they will lose too many millions of bribes from the eu.

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        • 136
          Anonymous says:

          or fecks sake, drag yourself in to the 21st century will you !

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          • Im paid by the EU, CCHQ and BBC to spread smears about UKIP says:

            Yep, you guessed it. Anonymous blue is one of our longer serving employees.

            He is often revered among the younger members for the audacity of his smearing, but sadly his character is deeply troubled and his personal life is a disaster.

            The psychologist said it stemmed from maternal abandonment.

            Loves his job though.

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    • 41
      Let's join the rest of the world - out of the EU says:

      … and Trains
      … and Motorways
      … and GP surgeries
      … and job centres
      … and jobs

      All Full.

      Enough is enough.

      We want out of the EU.

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      • 74
        M102 says:

        I reckon Farage has been laid on by the establishment to mop up and keep the little englanders happy and stop a real anti eu movement starting.

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  2. 2
    Anonymous says:

    The LD’s do love to keep on digging a hole for themselves.

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    • 35
      RomaBob...benefits for all! says:

      Listening to Nick really does bring out the worst in people, I wanted to hit the fracker!

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    • 67
      Anonymous says:

      Spinning lies is what you would expect from Libdem scum, so carry on campers, you’ve been rumbled

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  3. 3
    Anon. says:

    Looks like the BBC have given the Lib Dems plenty of tickets for the next debate, so many in fact that they can afford to give them away.

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  4. 4
    Nick Clegg & Dan Hodges says:

    Waaaaaaaaaa! WAAAAAAAAA!

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  5. 5
    Bwahahahahaha says:

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  6. 6
    Lord Owen Jones of The Cottage says:

    Clegg is useless. End of.

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    • 37
      Guido is a Jeremy Hunt says:

      Fully agree, he couldn’t even manage a pot of tea

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    • 54
      Village Idiot says:

      ..Europe is useless,unless you get paid from the bloated,corrupt,undemocratic,unreachable institution!….I detest being shackled to it!

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      • 70
        Your past is coming back to haunt you says:

        It’s an improvement on being shackled to that obese, leather-clad, 58-year-old hairdresser though, isn’t it?

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  7. 7
    Bill Quango MP says:

    Dear Jim,
    Please fix it for me to have a very metropolitan, left leaning, socially democratic audience for the next debate.

    Any previous Question Time audience will do.

    Thanks,
    Love Nick

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  8. 8
    Whippersnapper2 says:

    Despite the fact that Ferrari was way up Clogg’s arse.

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  9. 9
    Anonymous says:

    “YouGov”
    Confucius he say. Unrepresentative polls never a accurate substitute for referendum.

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  10. 10
    Polly Pot says:

    Great win for Nick last night.

    PS – Rose tinted, blinkered, reality blocking glasses are available from The Guardian offers page , Price €67.00

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  11. 15
    Round the Bend says:

    The poll on the Telegraph has it 82% Farage. Clegg is TOAST.

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  12. 20
    Guy News Room says:

    Lib Dems have sacked Nick Clegg, according to Sky sources. More news on that as we get it.

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  13. 23
    Back1woodsman says:

    Interesting how far the Torygraph hacks are from their actual readers views in their poll and in the comments . The paying punters are marching to the beat of a different drum !

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    • 33
      english minority says:

      The MSM march to a different tune and have done for many years. He who pays the piper calls the tune not the mugs who read the advertorials.

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      • 125
        The Public says:

        But what is so fascinating is the way that everyone can make their own minds up these days and simply ignore the media consensus.

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    • 63
      Itza Larff says:

      The Telegraph still thinks Cameron’s party are conservatives

      The Telegraph readership think otherwise

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    • 65
      BBC red bottom says:

      If you read Private Eye it explains all about ‘Psycho’ and his attempt to make the Telegraph into The Guardian.

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  14. 27
    jgm2 says:

    So the LibDem argument is that if you discount all the people who think Farage won then Clegg won?

    Compelling.

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  15. 29
    Harriet'sHairPie says:

    Maybe Cleggers can redeem himself by having a debate against Harriet Harpoon? Surely he’d win that one!

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  16. 30
    Welcome to the Hotel California says:

    “group was skewed towards… more middle class people, broadsheet readers”

    Wasn’t the old line that UKIP voters were poor and stupid? Which is it?

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  17. 36
    Nick's Mammy says:

    My Nicky was correct when he said only 7% of ALL laws were made in the EUSSR.

    My Nicky doesn’t lie, he is perfect.

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    • 47
      Abraham Lincoln says:

      Power resides in Washington

      Europeans are ferrets fighting eachother in a sack

      Why not just accept that you are the helot 51st State and domicile your Prime Minister in Washington? It would be easier to give him his instructions that way.

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      • 57
        Herman Achille Van Rompuy says:

        Don’t talk stupid. You know instructions have to come to me first before being given to lower orders.

        PS – Send money

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      • 69
        Anonymong says:

        Hey tall hat fella!

        Power resides in those privately-owned “state banks”.

        If you mess around with the goldsmiths do not go to the theatre.

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        • 83
          Bill Quango MP says:

          I think you’ll find if you go to the theater in a stovepipe hat and refuse to take it off, the person sitting behind might get a bit Derringerey.

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      • 99
        Right Full Rudder says:

        Europhiles used to argue that being closer to Europe would take us away from American control. How’s that working out?

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        • 109
          Tony Blair, kiss of death says:

          Europhiles are just American trolls

          Just look at me

          When Bill or George ask me to do anything

          I reply, Yes, massa !

          On my knees…

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  18. 39
    Anonymous says:

    Dud dud dud tidilid tididiy
    David D: Tonight on question time we ask…..
    Is anyone who wants to leave the EU a fascist?
    Is Farage evil?
    Dud dud dud tidilid tididiy
    And… is Mr Nick Cleag, the very professional Deputy PM and most excellent leader of the Liberal Party correct when he says the EU has saved Europe from British expansionist aggression since 1948?
    Dud dud dud tidilid tididiy
    Oh wait, is this question time? Judging by the audience it is.
    Dud dud dud tidilid tididiy

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    • 78
      Woman at the back with bad hair says:

      I’d like to ask the panel “Why doesn’t Mr Farage piss off to North Korea if he doesn’t like our liberal country!”

      [queue mass applause and standing ovations. Lasts five minutes. Then move onto the Tony Benn was a great leader funeral question.]

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  19. 43
    Jumping Jack Flash says:

    So Farage won the debate.

    That’s about impressive as Kim Jong Un winning the presidential elections in North Korea.

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    • 48
      Getcha metaphwoars out for the lads says:

      That literally does not make sense.

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      • 92
        Far And Away Today's Most Sensible Commenter says:

        And nor does this:

        BOING, BOING! Tiddley-whoomper-Glossop! HARSH, ooooohhhh HARSH! What’s mine is yaws! K’pushtig pantheon hecatomb cactus shinty-valerian! CHIZZLE-BONG, ME HEARTIES! H’wick, h’wick, h’wick! Cease from molesting my furby! HAIL FABRICANT!!!!!!!!

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  20. 46
    ZZzzzzz says:

    One lower league team beats another lower league. Snore.

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  21. 49
    Dee says:

    Being undecided over the EU, I saw it differently to a lot of posters here and I took part in the yougov survey. I’m a floating voter, who voted for Blair at the beginning and Cameron at the beginning. I once voted Lib Dem, but was put off by their wanting a nationalistic alcoholic to run the nation. I like Clegg, who may have won me over at some point. Only saying what my political affiliations are and that I’m not particularly pro or anti any of them.

    I thought Farage just won the day. Clegg held his own up until the point he reverted to name calling, which let him down and is a complete turn off by any politician, not just him. Farage talks like a normal person and that’s easy on the ears. He convinced me that millions of jobs wouldn’t disappear overnight and that we should trade with the world, not just the EU. The interesting point was jobs being moved to Poland from here.

    However the clear losers were Miliband and Cameron, who refuse to allow the peasants to listen to, or discuss matters relating to the EU. I won’t be voting for either of them the next time around. They clearly hold ordinary people in contempt and this debate magnified that mentality.

    Well done to Mr Clegg & Mr Farage and thank you. I truly hope that the abusive messages about either of them don’t prevent this type of debate from happening again in the future. I for one appreciate that this was only made possible by Mr Clegg, whatever his motives for doing it. It was a good thing that he did.

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    • 58
      Ex Tory voter says:

      +1000

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    • 115
      Willl H says:

      Very sensible comment and analysis.

      Sadly, by your admission that you voted for Tony Blair you immediately forfeited your right to be taken seriously. In fact, it’s largely due to suggestible people like you that we in the mess we’re in…

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  22. 52
    The Spin Sucks says:

    Let’s not forget who Kellner is and that, being the lefty he is, he personally would have been backing Clegg and certainly would have loved to see Farage fail.

    His post-debate spin is aimed at softening the damage for the LibDem Loser.

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    • 61
      And..Don't forget says:

      He is married to Catherine Ashton, Baroness Ashton of Upholland, a Labour Party politician and the first High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy.

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  23. 53
    Ah! wonder says:

    …is Guido at the funeral?

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  24. 56
    P l e b says:

    After all of the hoopla has died down, are we really one micron nearer leaving the EU?

    The ‘establishment’ won’t let it happen.

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    • 64
      The British Public says:

      NO

      This is entertainment for the plebs and fatuous chattering classes

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      • 72
        P l e b says:

        1. UKIP might do well in May 2014
        2. UKIP might gain a couple of MPs in May 2015
        3. If the Tories are re-elected, Cameron will campaign to stay in, and his ‘renegotiations’ won’t happen on Merkel’s watch.

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        • 88
          Bill Quango MP says:

          Do you think he’ll be able to lie twice? he’s not got that Teflon Tony touch to keep on lying and get away with it, has he?

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      • 140
        Dangerous Brian says:

        Bread and Circusses

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    • 70
      MI5 says:

      The banksters rule Britain

      They want to launder all of Europe’s dirty cash

      So Britain will remain in the EU

      End of story

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      • 77
        P l e b says:

        So we might as well make the best of a bad job.

        Don’t forget it was a Tory, Heath, who took us in.
        Don’t forget it was a Tory, Major, who signed the Maastricht Treaty to bring the EU into being.

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    • 81
      Anonymous says:

      Yep, we’re all in it until the whole thing collapses about our ears I’m afraid. There may not be anyone left to say I told you so.

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    • 93
      Right Full Rudder says:

      It’s not going to be an easy fight. We certainly won’t be given a referendum as a reward for re-electing Dave. It will take years of slowly raising UKIP to a level where it can threaten Labour and the Tories. But we have no choice. The alternative is accept being part of a federal European superstate, run by Brussels.

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      • 149
        Andrew Neather says:

        Dream on by then with the help of quisling Dave, Nick and Ed we will have imported enough voters to make escape impossible

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      • 150
        Mind the gap says:

        Goodness me, what a defeatist outlook! You wanna buy a pitchfork? Going cheap!

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  25. 60
    sprog99 says:

    Any random selection of voters can only have a small Lib Dem element to reflect current reality.
    That reality is currently skewed towards UKIP

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  26. 66
    Quiet Bat Person says:

    Woodlouse more popular than Tse Tse fly.
    In other news, most people don’t care about either of them. Thank goodness.

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  27. 73
    Dodgy D. Laws says:

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  28. 82
    The Rev Ketamine Power, OBE and Bars says:

    How dare Farage knock me off the front page

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  29. 84
    Calamity Clegg, Chief Cockroach says:

    Remember the LibDem motto:

    ‘If at first you don’t deceive, lie,lie again’.

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  30. 85
    Daffers56 says:

    Any sympathy is wasted on Clegg. It’s the people who believed he would hold the Tories to account who might need some empathy. Farage is, in the end another, chancer. This attempt to convince voters is just another ‘beauty contest’ for Politicians whose only desire is to attain power

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    • 151
      A Doctor writes says:

      You should lay off the wine gums as they are clearly doing damage to your one little brain cell.

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  31. 87
    Right Full Rudder says:

    Fact is, twice as many people do sympathise with UKIP as the LibDems. Trying to find a 50/50 balance would be skewing the poll.

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  32. 90

    N ick Clegg lost as he was Superior. He was proved wrong. Farage put his best all in. The corrrect result was Clegg 10% Farage 90% well done Farage.

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  33. 91
    Deconstructed bollocks says:

    Nearly identical; megarich sons of bankers who followed their dads into the money laundering profession before playing at politics. Both advocates of the Great Neoliberal Fire Sale of State Assets.

    If Faragé represents the closest thing to change that we have in this country, we’re in worse shape than anyone could have feared.

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  34. 96
    nell. says:

    Clegg was patronising. Farage pragmatic. Clegg repeatedly swerved the focus of questions. Farage did an excellent job of holding the eel to account on this

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  35. 104
    Pint, please says:

    Europhile on Brillo just called UKIP supporters….low educated. Sorry, degree here.

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  36. 106
    How low can desperate Clegg sink to? says:

    Nick Clegg: Nigel Farage is siding with Vladimir Putin

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10726289/Nick-Clegg-Nigel-Farage-is-siding-with-Vladimir-Putin.html

    Nick Clegg has accused Nigel Farage of “siding with Vladimir Putin” after the UK Independence Party leader said that the European Union has “blood on it hands” after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Mr Farage blamed the EU and the British Government for pursuing an “imperialist expansionist” policy in the east and giving “false hope” to people in the Ukraine.

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    • 112
      jgm2 says:

      And what is wrong with ‘siding with Putin’?

      I and I’m sure many others have no fucking problem with how Putin and Russia have behaved as regards Crimea.

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      • 131
        C O (Ξ7m) says:

        Siding with Putin is not a smart move, but that is not what Farage did or said.

        The EU does have blood on its hands in relation to its involvement in Ukraine, and elsewhere. (Think Syr!a / K’osovo / G’reece)

        Expressing this opinion of the EU in the context of the debate in no way suggests support for Putin.

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    • 120
      Anonymous says:

      Thought that was brave of Farage, and must have given the Elites the shivers, here and in Brussels.

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      • 142
        Dangerous Brian says:

        Nigel needs to be careful, stay away from light aircraft and defenitely not go out walking alone in an effort to sit beneath a tree and contemplate.

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  37. 108
    Today's Heartrending Appeal says:

    I am trying to collect every single haricot bean in the world. I keep them in matchboxes of obsolete design, in a former airship hangar in the Land Of Narnia. This is my sole remaining pleasure. My only friend died of running away from me faster than is physically possible. Now I have a deviated septum. I am very unhappy, in a harmless kind of way. Can you help, please?

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  38. 110
    Rev Flowers BBC New Poster Boy And Paxo's New Best Friend says:

    At heart I am a LibDem.

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  39. 111
    Right Full Rudder says:

    And today’s spin is “Farage sides with Putin”. And we’re all supposed to be appalled with Nigel.

    If ever you needed proof of the howling gulf between what the London political and media bubble think is the consensus and what ordinary people really think…

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  40. 113
    Obama in Saudi Arabia today says:

    Thank you, massa

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  41. 124
    Yes'm says:

    Dozy Diane on Brillo again, just for a change, leading the Gimmes charge for more money trees.

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    • 127
      Wind rush sails at noon says:

      Look at that fackin belly, grrroooossssss!

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      • 157
        Fishing line says:

        GEEEEE ZUSS – there are 300 other lefty MPs that can be chosen to chat on the sofa, so WTF do we have to put up with this crass ill educated gormless woman?

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        • 165
          John Bellingham says:

          Because she neatly fills up all the “diversity’ quotas–Black, female, mentally disabled, as fat as pregnant hippo, foreign and controversial. All she needs is to change her sexual orientation and she could be the next Director General of the BBC

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    • 130
      Wind rush sails at noon says:

      The “Nasty party” love is the one that seeks to deprive the natives from their land. Usual rhetoric, stop eating all our food.

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  42. 126
    Di rear says:

    Saw a brief glimpse of Sky News this morning. Their political coverage has started to challenge the BBC in terms of left wing bias.
    Discussing the debate last night, they had the left leaning resident dopey looney from the Torygraph Mary Ridell and a journalist from the Guardian.
    Time to start stop suscribing to Sky who’ve had it too good for too long.

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    • 158
      Fishing line says:

      You don’t actually HAVE to watch their news channel. Lots of others to be entertained by.

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      • 160
        Demon says:

        Sky news is free

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      • 161
        Di rear says:

        I’m well aware of that, why do you feel you HAVE to tell me? How does it make them less biased? and what has your response got to do with the point I was making?

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        • 162
          Di rear says:

          Or more to the point, where does the uninformed Joe Public go to find out the impartial truth? Virtually the whole stinking edifice of the UK establishment, aided and abetted by a compliant televisual and print media, back the unelected, unaudited, unaccountable, and undemocratic EU.

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  43. 133
    Pint, please says:

    Nigel needs to beware dark forces, train travel overground only, watch out for umbrellas and polonium.

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  44. 137
    Unlike rabbits in headlights, the LibDems skarper says:

    Here are LibDems on the run again.
    Is this how the Party always meets obstacles, ostrich like?

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  45. 139
    eddie the man says:

    so why did they let Cleggie of the hook? twice he was asked the student loans question. Twice he ignored it and the moderator let him get away with it. Dimblebubble would have handled this little episode so much fairer.

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    • 145
      The Public says:

      Yeah, right.

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    • 152
      Persona non grata says:

      Made the same observation myself, Ferrari let him off the hook.

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      • 159
        Kerb crawler says:

        .. and me. The moderator was so far up Clegg’s backside he almost disappeared (a la Toenails) – and the audience were mostly completely ignorant. Where did they find these cretins?

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  46. 166
    Anonymous says:

    you’re a knob

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