March 27th, 2014

Clegg’s “Facts” Turn Out to Be Fiction

Former Clegg spinmeister Olly Grender had no answer when told by Brillo that, despite the LibDem leader’s assurances, the House of Commons library did not back him up on his claim that only 7% of UK law was made in Brussels. Their figure is actually between 15% and 50%. If you’re going to sell yourself on “leaving the rhetoric aside for a minute and sticking to the facts”, telling porkies might not be the best way to go about it…


139 Comments

  1. 1
    Lord Owen Jones of The Cottage says:

    Farage is setting terms of debate: the Ukip-isation of politics continues.

  2. 2
    Sarah Millington says:

    Lib / Lab / Con – BBC, MSM – all part of the problem.

    Ukip, on last nights evidence & reaction, is the answer.

  3. 3
    Ohthisbloodypc says:

    What about the three million plane spotters who will be thrown into a greek jail and left to rot, if Nigel Farage pulls up the drawbridge and ditches the Magna Carta that Nick Clegg personally negotiated with Europe.

    Is that what you want? That’s what will happen.

    And that’s a fact.

  4. 4
    Sharpening My Pitchfork says:

    Oily Grinder is an unaccountable member of the House of Lords, placed into a plum job at our expense as a reward for toadying services.

    These people need to be stripped from the public sector payroll immediately.

  5. 5
    Calamity Clegg, Chief Cockroach says:

    The LibDem motto:

    If at first you don’t deceive lie, lie again.

  6. 6
    Stats Guru says:

    A recent study by the Political Science Department of the University of Tunbridge Wells shows that only 32% of statistics cited from reports can actually be found in those reports, 28% of the reports cited do not even exist and 16% of the institutions that supposedly produced the reports do not exist either.

  7. 7
    Lard Everard says:

    FUCK OFF !!!

  8. 8
    Lipstick on a pig says:

    Both she and Clegg are worse than fucking useless.

  9. 9
    Kevin Bollox says:

    Clegg is just a fucking liar, he could not even answer questions directly last night. Farage creamed him. Yet still the media kommentariat are trying to support Clegg.

  10. 10
    Astronomer says:

    Bercow’s home planet discovered: Speaker’s Planet

  11. 11
    Poj says:

    Brilliant – just a couple of ‘clouts’ short of perfect :)

  12. 12
    Billy Big says:

    Did no-one notice that the woman from the LibDems was a total grooter.

    Nigel gets my vote to keep grooters like that off TV.

  13. 13
    DtP says:

    So Cleggy had full use of civil servants to fact check debate prep and still couldn’t get it right? How tediously inevitable that senior civil servants are totally inept.

  14. 14
    lojolondon says:

    Maybe the numbers came from an unpaid intern, working for Clegg in government who found himself being pulled into LimpDim party work and gave them crappy figures to ensure payback?

  15. 15
    Dodgy D. Laws says:

    Nick is as honest as my expenses claims.

  16. 16
    Anonymous says:

    Oh Calamity!Did everyone enjoy watching the spinners explain what a great victory Calamity had last night.Aunty will be very nervous about their boy getting done over again in next week’s debate.

  17. 17
    Anonymous says:

    Dear me.

  18. 18
    What? says:

    University of Tunbridge Wells??

  19. 19
    nell. says:

    So what do we need 900 “lords” for?

  20. 20
    The cream always... says:

    In times of crisis the real leaders always rise to the top.

  21. 21
    Rumpy Pumpy says:

    You can tin foil hats with the EU symbol on them now, you know.

  22. 22
    Persona non grata says:

    Expect UAF and Nope not hate are sharpening their knives on Establishment orders right now.

  23. 23
    Prof. Marc Steal says:

    The Russell Brand Metropolitan University of Tunbridge Wells, to give it its full name.

  24. 24

    Let us not forget the enormous amount of civil service time and energy that is diverted into implementing EU legislation and programmes

  25. 25
    Tolly Poynbee says:

    What on earth makes you think he was trying to get it right?

  26. 26
    Anonymous says:

    Widely predicted that once Clegg’s figures came under any scrutiny they would quickly unravel. And so it came to pass…

    MSM still claiming that Clegg won – pity the great unwashed aren’t falling into line! Wonder what their next move to skewer Farage will be?

  27. 27
    Me says:

    150% of statistics are made-up.

  28. 28
    wecome to doncaster nigel says:

    there should be an award for sarcastic posts,just so you can win one

  29. 29
    Pint, please says:

    Nigel needs to beware dark forces, train travel overground only, watch out for umbrellas and polonium.

  30. 30
    nell. says:

    Farage? Facts? With his ‘70% of UK laws from the EU’ and ’29 million Romanians and Bulgarians’?

    Come come, they’re both talking horseshit

  31. 31
    All Aboard The Gravy Train says:

    To claim £300 per day.

    900 Lords x £300 = £270,000 per day

    143 days HoL sittings per year x £270,000 per day = £38,610,000

    ‘Half of Lords’ clock in to claim expenses

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-25411182

  32. 32
    Information sharer says:

    I didn’t watch the debate. Might snatch a few minutes of it on the youtube app if I go for a dump. Life is short.

  33. 33
    Sherlock Holmes says:

    Much more than a 7% solution.

  34. 34
    Bad Al C says:

    Stay away from the woods and pen-knives.

  35. 35
    Lembit Opik says:

    So here I am!

  36. 36
    Losers says:

    I agree!
    Watch Clegg and Alexander ‘rise to the top’ in this video.
    Men of principle? Men of honour?
    Not even men it seems.

  37. 37
    Greychatter says:

    “EU laws account for between 15% and 50% according to House of Commons Library”.

    35% seems a wide margin of error – even the politicians don’t have a clue how much EU controls our Parliament.

    In Europe, but not controlled by Europe??

    Having had a job with the EU and educated at the Brugge school Nick Clegg’s job appears to me to get Britain totally controlled by the undemocratic Brussels elite. It showed last night.

    Vote for Nigel!!

  38. 38
    Norah in the Fox & Werrity says:

    If we leave the EU it will be an absolute disaster. Millions of jobs will be lost and we will have no influence anywhere in the world. Now we have some say in what goes on. We will be a small, isolated island with even higher unemployment due to the large companies which will leave. It is all well and good to complain about EU but it is ridiculous to cut off your nose to spite your face. The anti EU people are ill- informed and uneducated in the matter

  39. 39
    Benn'd Over says:

    The question is: will any poor people be invited to the wake at his £4 million mansion in Holland Park?

    Crowds have gathered in Westminster to pay their last respects to Tony Benn, whose funeral service has been taking place yards from the House of Commons. Banner-wielding trade unionists, anti-war campaigners and other well-wishers burst into applause as the funeral cortege arrived at the church. His body lay in rest before the funeral service in the Palace of Westminster’s Chapel of St Mary Undercroft. He was only the second politician to be granted the honour after Baroness Thatcher.

  40. 40
    Viviane Reding says:

    Are you calling me a liar?

  41. 41
    luke says:

    reminds me of last nights session with the wife

  42. 42
    Nick Clegg says:

    7% is exactly right, you just need to read the small print which says I might be lying like a complete bastard

  43. 43
    Dan D. Lion says:

    And as much of an original thinker as a Speak-Your-Weight machine.

  44. 44
    Ellie-Mae (9) says:

    The important word there is “member”

  45. 45
    Calamity Clegg says:

    I know I lied, but I can always say sorry the next day.

  46. 46
    Anonymous says:

    Keep tugging that forelock, Farage cares not a shit about the people outside his Fag & Cravat gang

  47. 47
    £40k iI could have thieved says:

    Does your boyfriend know this David?
    I ask you as I know that you are an oh-so-coy homosexulaist

  48. 48
    What a calamity says:

    You’re sorry
    You’re sorry
    You’re so, so sorry

  49. 49
    Calamity Clegg says:

  50. 50
    Snivelling Sycophant says:

    I need them to suck up to!

  51. 51
    Anonymous says:

    Wonder what 7% Clegg will come up with as a “winner” next week?

  52. 52
  53. 53
    Anon. says:

    #NastyLibDems.

  54. 54
    jgm2 says:

    Most people, myself included, didn’t watch it so the only news they have is how it is reported.

    If it’s reported as ‘Farage Thrashes Euro-Apologist Clegg’ then they’ll think to themselves ‘That Farage is a real winner’. If it’s reported as ‘Glegg trounces fascist Farage’ then they’ll thing ‘Good old Clegg, we don’t want his sort’.

    This is where the BBC comes in and this is why it matters so much that it is infested with bedwetter apologists.

    It is the constant ‘Multiculturality is enriching, racists are bad, immigrants are wonderful, racism is now a crime … drip drip …’ that conditions people so they moderate their perfectly understandable ire. ‘Perhaps it’s just me’ they think. You’ve seen the pictures of Blair back in 1996/7 travelling everywhere with a couple of double-decker buses of ‘spontaneous cheering crowd’. Pure Leni Riefenstahl. Even down to waking people up to have them ‘spontaneously’ line his triumphal march to Number 10.

    And the BBC went along with it. Framed the shots to make it look like a Nuremburg rally was spontaneously breaking out wherever he went.

    People, viewers, get caught up in the mood. It’s why propagandists do it and it’s why Labour loves the BBC.

  55. 55
    jgm2 says:

    Absolutely no solo walks in the countryside. This applies to Alex Salmond too. Although, to be fair, Alex doesn’t look like he could walk to the front door.

  56. 56

    You lost, Cleggy. Live with it.

  57. 57
    Anonymous says:

    Ha….right over his head Stats Guru….nice one

  58. 58
    David Aarononvitch says:

    I didn’t watch the debate but Clegg was the clear winner!

  59. 59
    Anonymous says:

    Farage and UKIP are worse than the Republicans in the US. EU aside, the want to sell state assets and return to a prejudiced cultural debate that has no place in today’s UK, with a range of the most bizarre, non-sensical policies in the world. A party that had to ditch all it’s policies because they were based on the most stupid of principles (voucher system NHS, flat level of income tax for everyone, and even more wacky ones than that). If you think Farage was speaking on behalf of you of anyone you know you’re delusional, this man and his racist, ultra-Conservative party get no where other than my lies, lies and more lies, they don’t speak for freedom, they don’t speak for anything other than racist, neo-con, libertarianism, the likes of which most people have laughed at on the other side of the Atlantic for years and years. Pity they can’t see it when it’s being shoved in their faces over here

  60. 60
    Dan Hodges says:

    Clegg was the winner, and Miliband the big loser

  61. 61
    Quality Of Today's Front Bench says:

    In other news, Anna Soubry does NOT look mad. Her drained white face doesn’t shudder continuously as she speaks. Her feverish eyes don’t stare alarmingly in an odd direction. It’s all an optical illusion caused by left-wing television cameras.

  62. 62
    Ghost of Tony Benn says:

    Keep taking the tablets won’t you?

  63. 63
    Socialism is theft says:

    Power to the people. Let the people decide. The Westminster crooks trust the public as little as the public trust them.

  64. 64

    Clegg has been wrapped in cotton-wool all his life, Farage has actually done something with his life. Gaining life-experience ages a man.

  65. 65
    Persona non grata says:

    Well being a small isolated Island didn’t stop us from discovering half the known world, inventing everything that makes any difference, and are still doing so. i.e. 3D printing. All we need is our EU shackles removed, our kids educated properly via Grammar schools, a patriotic Prime Minister ambitious for Britain and its native population, and we can soar again. Can’t wait for UKIP to get strong enough to usurp the current bunch of defeatist traitors, and give hope to suffering British kids. If you love Britain, if you believe Britain can be better, vote UKIP

  66. 66
    jgm2 says:

    You said ‘racist’. Does that mean you win?

  67. 67
    nell watch says:

    The only Govt study of every legal act was done by Germany’s Federal Justice Ministry. It put the figure at 84%.

    So an estimate of 70% for the UK seems a fair estimate to me.

    Romanian population -> 20.1 million
    Bulgarian population -> 7.3 million

    based on 2011 census data

    NO WHO IS TLAKING HORSESHIT?

    h**p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania
    h**p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria

    So with both countries have TFR rates > 2.1 then as an estimate of the combined populations of both countries today of 29 million seems fairly accurate to me.

  68. 68
    The Tit in No 10 says:

    I’m a CleggManiac – but you may call me ‘Dave’

  69. 69
    Socialism is theft says:

    And the Tory, Lib Dem and Labour toffs do? Hahahaha.

  70. 70
    Sheffield says:

    Bye bye Cleggy boy… Not long now!

  71. 71

    ….” no where other than my lies, lies and more lies, ” A bit of self knowledge crept into your rant there. There’s hope for you yet.

  72. 72
    Lords o leaping says:

  73. 73
    Nick Clegg says:

    If we leave the EU we will all lose our jobs, starve to death and the planet will burn from English-made climate change. And that’s a fact.

  74. 74
    Nick Clegg says:

    Farage has worked for a living.

  75. 75
    Mr Snotty says:

    May he rot in that great Soviet Collective in the sky.

  76. 76
    Lembit Opik says:

    Excuse me, if you don’t mind, I was just about to explain to these good people my outstanding credentials for national leadership. You wait your turn, you big bully. Or go and get your own forum, and then you can say what you like. And stop pointing at me like that. And stop thinking about me in an uncharitable way. And don’t keep inhaling and exhaling in that very insulting manner. Or I shall do something you won’t enjoy, like the Man of Destiny I am!

    Now, any questions?

  77. 77
    Astroturf Watch says:

    And don’t forget to pack the audience with your supporters if you can. If you have no supporters, juts buy them in. Its what the EU did in Kiev, it’s what Nick Clegg did during the last elections.

    http://www.thestar.co.uk/what-s-on/out-about/clegg-paid-163-9-000-to-hire-crowd-1-2970974

  78. 78
    Black Country Tory says:

    Never mind all that. Far more interesting is that Tommy Watson’s mistress young Steph Peacock is on left leaning Channel 4’s political slumber tonight moaning about “cost of living” in posh Halesowen, where the middle class GMB employed Unite backed red princess is standing as Labour candidate against the far more superior self-made businessman Tory MP James Morris.

    Despite there being another round of falling inflation and booming revived economy locally in the West Midlands, mouthpiece robot Ms Peacock is going to argue everyone is worse off since the 2010 and will then appeal for everyone to trust Ed Miliband’s party to put it all right agai, wwith great policies such as bankrupting energy firms and abolishing the “bedroom tax” for lazy Labour voters!

    At this point, James Morris has not been asked to take part or even for a comment!

  79. 79
    The Pinnochio Beauty Parlour (Westminster) Branch says:

    Luckily, the House of Commons has its very own make-up and fact trimming department (Long nose hairs extra).

  80. 80
    Right Full Rudder says:

    He said “rise to the top” not “shag minor celebrities”.

  81. 81
    Gerbil 7 says:

    I know which one works the hardest and it isn’t liar Clegg.
    Now shut up.

  82. 82
    A Hack says:

    It’s a living.

  83. 83
    Gee Whizz says:

    Library states laws originating from EC between 15 and 50%?
    Even they cannot get it right, they must have used an immigrant researcher from Romania.
    2 out of 10 seems to be their accuracy score.

  84. 84
    Oily Grinder says:

    Er, er, er what I do know is that Nick won – he said so himself.

  85. 85
    Right Full Rudder says:

    Very true.

  86. 86
    Polly of Tuscany. says:

    I totally agree.
    76% to Clegg.

  87. 87
    Right Full Rudder says:

    She’s been re-framed. A lot of Common Purpose’s NLP victims suffer such effects.

  88. 88
    If you are going to go ad hominem, GO for the man says:

    Clegg has the shiftiness and baby-face of a child molester.

    Any one else surprised he used to work for Leon Brittan?

  89. 89
    Dr Faustus says:

    Please let us know what you are on as it seems to be the perfect long term suicide tablet.

  90. 90
    Right Full Rudder says:

    We’re a rich trading nation with relationships worldwide, we’re Europe’s biggest market with 65 million car, TV and phone buying people and we’re a world financial centre. We can cope just fine. You are repeating lies.

  91. 91
    Anonymous says:

    Tend to agree that those who can’t think for themselves will take their cue from the likes of the BBC.

    I think Farage made a mistake in agreeing to have the second debate on the BBC unless he’s insisted on some hard and fast ground rules. I expect them to slant the debate much more in Clegg’s favour especially on social, touchy feely issues. It was interesting that Clegg made such a big thing about the Brits being the original drafters of all the human rights guff since if Farage had been better briefed he’d have been able to counter that one of the original drafters – Maxwell Ffyfe ,was vehemently opposed to legalising homosexuality let alone redefining marriage (referring to it in terms that would have you locked up for a hate crime these days) and that the intention of the original drafters would never have been to extend its influence to the non deportation of murderers and other criminals. Trick missed there… Hope they have some counters for the next debate.

    In my view Clegg really lost it when he condescendingly made out that we’re incapable of making our own way in the world without the EU to hold our hands. That’s a meme that NF should milk for all it’s worth.

  92. 92
    Harriet Harperson says:

    Wow, the spivvy little scrotums show their contempt for us yet again.

  93. 93
    Right Full Rudder says:

    Blah blah blah the right wingers are coming, the right wingers are coming! Someone save me and my cosy, overpaid public sector job!!!

  94. 94
    Ex-Labour says:

    Putrid liars beaker and pimple running away from a fair question.

    boohoohoo pimple and beaker, blubby boys.

  95. 95
    Make the liblabcon history says:

    So in a nutshell, we must lose our sovereignty and our right to self determination all because business interests finds these things inconvenient and get in the way of profit.

    Well fcuk you.

    It’s only a matter of time before these same business interests find democracy itself an inconvenience.

  96. 96
    Neon signs says:

    Has Mr Brittan done a Shirley Porter yet?

  97. 97
    Persona non grata says:

    Someone let slip last night that the air-conditioning wasn’t functioning properly, only on Farage’s side though. Go figure.

  98. 98
    Businessman says:

    And the time and money spent by businesses trying to comply with gold-plated EU legislation.

  99. 99
    Kevin Bollox says:

    Ugly fucking old hag, her tits hang down to her knees, put me right off my dinner

  100. 100
    Myfanwy says:

    “Their figure is actually between 15% and 50%” Well Fawkesy that is still a lot less than 75%, what would be interesting, what is added to the dictats from EU so that the paperwork is increased

  101. 101
    Llareggub says:

    Little Nicky, it turns out, was bullshitting about the EU. Well, fuck me sideways with a blackthorn stick. Who’d have guessed that a federast was talking out of his arse?

  102. 102
    Kerb crawler says:

    Take your laptop with you and just go back a few threads from here and you can watch the whole thing in peace and quiet whilst you express your waste substances.

  103. 103
    Myfanwy says:

    Sarah, don’t forget that upright and banner carrier for the right and Geedoes employer is part of the MSM

  104. 104
    Myfanwy says:

    Actually Magna Carta was to the Barons and descendants of barons greater power and less power to the king, it gave no rights for the plebs

  105. 105
    Myfanwy says:

    You like grinding don’t you, milord

  106. 106
    paul icini says:

    The EU reckons it’s 75%, their vice president, what’s her face, has said so publicly.

  107. 107
    Mr Tony says:

    Hodges – come here will you.

    I’ve had a build up of knobcheese – suck it off, there’s a good fellow.

  108. 108
    Myfanwy says:

    He is probably trying to learn from Dynamic Dave

  109. 109
    Free Britain says:

    I resent the fact that some faceless EU super state is telling us that we, the people of Britain, are either in or out of Europe, we don’t need the invitation either way thanks very much, we are European as part of our birth right, the fact that I am English and European is not a commodity that can be given or removed, it simply *is*, it exists because we are born on the land of our fathers and mothers. I don’t remember giving away my inherited rights.

    The real argument is, should we allow a bunch of unelected bureaucrats to removal our sovereign rights to govern ourselves within our own borders without a fight, anything else is just smoke and mirrors.

  110. 110
    Myfanwy says:

    There are lies, damn lies and what the government spouts

  111. 111
    Myfanwy says:

    I have no idea why, there should be only 500, let their lordships put themselves up for election, only lords (hereditaryand riff-raff) being able to stand on a proportional basis. Most people do not know who they are anyway in the same way most peple can not recall the name of their MP.

  112. 112
    Anonymous says:

    Come all the electorate throughout the UK
    It’s time to ignore what the LIBLABCON say
    Lets face it these parties have all had their day
    Our politics need rearranging
    So go out and vote UKIP lets sweep them away
    For the times they are a changing

    Not one of them listens to our point of view
    They’d sooner give our cash to the EU
    So lets kick them out and try something new
    We can’t afford this lot remaining
    Political rethink is long overdue
    For the times they are a changing

    They lied about Lisbon and promised a vote
    There all Europhiles and in the same boat
    Their treachery just bring a lump to my throat
    As each other they just keep blaming
    So send them a message and let them take note
    That the times they are a changing

    We will no longer tolerate lies being told
    Tax breaks for the rich but more tax for the old
    Ruled from the EU and our birthrights sold
    They ignore us when we are complaining
    If we all vote UKIP their out in the cold
    For the times they all need changing

  113. 113
    tigerowl says:

    Facts eh. Wrong eh? So were farages. You going to question them then?

  114. 114
    Anonymous says:

    Talking of liars heres one I prepared earlier

  115. 115
    UKIP FOR ME says:

    Fuck me heres another liar

  116. 116
    Right Full Rudder says:

    I wonder what the figure is when you include directives. Why did the vice president of the EU Commission say it was 70%? How did the German government come up with a figure of 85% of their laws?

  117. 117
    tigerowl says:

    Here is a suggestion for the BBC debate next week, there must be Fact Check available to shout out every time numpty and Muppet use wrong facts. Then we will – some hope – get a real debate. But can it stick to the EU debate. A referendum will not allow the bigots and racist to vote to keep out other people from this country.
    Loved farage when he said there are 450million Europeans who are entitled to live here. Well. There are 56 million Brits who are entitled to live in Europe. What a stupid point he made. Are 450 million going to come to a miserable little island full of racists, bigots, homophobes, sexists like UKIP and their supporters? I don’t think so.

  118. 118
    Put the kettle on says:

    You’re talking bollox again luv

  119. 119
    Dougal MacDougal of that ilk says:

    The German President said 84% of Federal Laws, that is national law across the whole of Germany. Of course, our Parliament legislates a lot in local areas and is mainly legislating in England as the other nations have their own Parliaments.

    The percentage is not important – it’s what the laws are, how affected we all are by them and if they need to be imposed from Brussels. For example, a law that required us all to jump around on one leg would be more significant than one which requires shears to be kept in a locked cupboard. It really depends what they are.

  120. 120
    Cressida's Dick says:

    Hear, hear.

  121. 121
    MacGuffin says:

    That Olly Grender is a truly hideous dude. And why does he speak with such a feminine voice?

  122. 122
    Cockroach Nick says:

    I can survive anything!

  123. 123
    Infidel says:

    That’s very good. Is it yours? Someone should record that and send it to UKIP. Top marks!!

  124. 124
    Socialism = Starvation says:

    Lib Dem councillor and magistrate on gun control

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-26764022

  125. 125
    Ed Balls says:

    Mars?.

  126. 126
    Your either in front of Guido or in bed says:

    Uranus ?

  127. 127
    Bloke says:

    He was fucking good at the bullshit EU spiel though – jobs, ‘clout’, pulling up the drawbridge. Your average drongo would’ve swallowed it whole.

  128. 128
    RightwinggitRedux says:

    “No hotlinking please. “

  129. 129
    Mr Neddy says:

    The House of Commons pamphlet was written by rabid Europhiles in the F&CO. It is baised in favour of the EU so misleading.

    The real figure for all laws, rules, directives, regulations and guidelines which affect the UK population which come from Brussels is close to 70% and rising.

    As a new tranche of EU legislation comes on stream from the Lisbon Treaty this year, that figure is going to go up. Some people mention the channel 4 fact check on this.

    Channel 4’s fact check used a disingenuous statistical trick to reduce the number by including all the laws on the statute book since about 1980. That waters down the number with all those earlier years when the EU did not even exist, and when we used to have a veto over them.

    If we check how many of our laws are implemented which come from the EU, per year, we see it is much closer to Farage’s figure than Clegg’s, whose figure of 7% is very very misleading and a blatant lie.

  130. 130
    Mr Neddy says:

    You vile, defeatist, pessimistic, cowardly “little Englander”. When people who hate our country, continuously run us down and cowardly claim that we are too small to survive internationally, it makes me sick.

    We have NO influence even in the EU and the EU is taking our place more and more at the top tables around the world. Being in the EU is making us irrelevant internationally.

    OUt of over 50 amendments we submitted to the EU Council, all of them were rejected. We have almost no say whatsoever.

    We would have much more trade with the 4.5 billion consumers in growing markets outside the EU and much more influence internationally outside the EU than in it.

  131. 131
    Alan Calder says:

    Clegg is dead in water and Farage can’t swim.

  132. 132
    (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

    WTF? It’s not particularly silly, is it?

  133. 133
    (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

    Well, Nora, that was a really good comment supported by everyone, it seems……………………..NOT!

  134. 134
    (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

    Probably because Nige has actually worked for a living!

  135. 135
    (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

    Fuck off back to the Guardian, cupid stunt!

  136. 136
    Probably shouldn't bother, but... says:

    Oh could it be that this is an echo chamber, rather than a forum for honest debate – such that most people with a contrary, or indeed, as I have, a more nuanced and pragmatic view, will rarely choose to dip their toe in.

    My view on this is that an economically connected world that Clegg is right about clout, and that rights of free movement apply to you too. Over time this tends to be well balanced, and it is notable that more well developed countries in CEE have hardly emigrated to the UK; you don’t tend to find many Czechs and Slovenians in the UK. And as RO and BG become wealthier they will find Western Europe less attractive too – and even with them the UK is not the draw for historical and cultural factors that IT is.

    Where Farage has a point is that there is, at least in the short term, a social impact that needs to be carefully managed, but that is a question of domestic policy that would not be addressed via Brexit – if we were outside the EU and part of the EEA/EFTA there would still be free movement, and most EU law would still apply.

  137. 137
    Probably shouldn't bother, but... says:

    Quite right, Dulwich educated, city trader…oh no wait. I suppose it does age a man to perfect the act that he has though. Perhaps somewhere in his attic there is a painting of him looking like Mr Clegg.

  138. 138
    Tom Catesby says:

    Really confirms, if it was necessary, what a lying piece of shit he is.

  139. 139
    Tom Catesby says:

    That would be ‘minor celebrities’ who were illegal immigrants at the time would it?


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