March 19th, 2014

Labour Finally Admit Bedroom ‘Tax’ is Not a Tax

Very helpful of Labour to provide us on Budget Day with a comprehensive list of tax rises that have taken place under this government:

The 24 Tory Tax Rises

1. VAT increased – to 20 per cent from 2011
2. Income Tax age-related allowances frozen and eligibility restricted (“Granny Tax”) from 2013-14
3. Income Tax higher rate threshold cut to £42,475 in 2011-12
4. Higher Income Child Benefit Charge introduced 2013
5. National Insurance Contributions rates, limits and thresholds increased in line with CPI rather than RPI from 2012-13
6. Income Tax higher rate threshold frozen at £42,475 in 2012-13
7. Insurance premium tax increased – from 2011
8. Capital Gains Tax increased – to 28 per cent for higher rate taxpayers from June 2010
9. New Beer Duty introduced on high strength beers from 2011
10. Duty on hand-rolling tobacco increased by an additional 10 per cent from 2011-12
11. ISA subscription limit uprated in line with CPI rather than RPI from 2012-13
12. National Insurance Contributions changes to contracting-out rebates from 2012-13
13. Capital Gains Tax annual exempt amount frozen, 2012-13
14. Stamp Duty Land Tax increase to 7 per cent on properties over £2 million from 2012-13
15. VAT increases on a range of items, including caravans, sports drinks, and listed buildings from 2012
16. Duty on tobacco increased by RPI + 5 per cent in 2012
17. Income Tax higher rate threshold cut to £41,450 in 2013-14
18. Capital Gains Tax annual exempt amount increased in line with CPI rather than RPI from 2013-14
19. Income Tax cap on reliefs introduced from 2013-14
20. Pension tax relief restricted from 2014-15 21.
21. Income Tax higher rate threshold Increase capped at 1 per cent in 2014-15 and 2015-16
22. Capital Gains Tax annual exempt amount increase capped at 1 per cent, 2014-15 and 2015-16
23. Inheritance Tax threshold frozen in 2015-16
24. National Insurance Contributions ending of contracting-out rebates from 2016-17

Eagle eyed readers will spot that one thing is missing: the “hated bedroom tax” is not on the list. Which means Labour must have at last decided that it is not a tax after all. Better late than never…


  1. 1
    Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin ( Member in absentia ) says:

    Stealth Taxes are the way forward !!

  2. 2
    bartfartbastard says:

    Economically illiterate as always.

    So Labour wouldn’t have raised taxes and they would have increased public spending.

    So borrowing would be much higher than the £1 trillion the Tories will achieve.

    And that would be a GOOD THING.


  3. 3
    Gerhard says:

    Explain this one to me slowly: Labour are trying to make political hay out of tax rises which include:

    “Stamp Duty Land Tax increase to 7 per cent on properties over £2 million from 2012-13″


  4. 4
    BBC News and Propaganda Unit says:

    We’ll still call it the Bedroom Tax.

  5. 5
    Andy Swoford says:

    No free coffee from Waitrose for the proles!

    Put this coffee on my expenses. Thanks.

  6. 6
    Wakefield resident says:

    Nobody is better off here, Tories are out of touch.

  7. 7
    Wasted years says:

    We should have been talking about a list of tax cuts, and the massive spending cuts delivered by this Government

  8. 8
    Ed Balls says:

    Dear EuroMillions Winner

    Congratulations on your win!

    I’m writing to give you advance notice that, if I’m Chancellor after next year’s election, I’ll be requiring a cheque from you for £107.8 million. The good news is that this will still leave you with the sum of £10,000.

    Kind regards,

    Ed Balls

  9. 9
    was it something I said? says:

    The cheeky c*unts.

    The party of Fiscal Drag highlighting T*ries not raising tax thresholds as ‘Tax Rises’.

    Luckily most of their bovine supporters won’t even understand what not raising tax thresholds even means. Which is why the stupid c*unts kept voting for them.

  10. 10
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill Al Eco-loons says:

    The mystery of Malaysian flight 370 is finally solved :-)

  11. 11
    bergen says:

    I never understood the fuss about the “bedroom tax”. The local (Labour) council have always moved people out of council houses which they deemed to have become underoccupied even if the tenant had lived in it all his life. It just seemed to be using this principle on private tenancies where the taxpayer picked up the tab.

  12. 12
    was it something I said? says:

    If we doubled your benefits you’d still be living in Wakefield so, in real terms, you’d still be no better off.

  13. 13
    Danielle Stevens says:

    Labour and Conservative:

    * Spend too much of our money.

    * Borrow too much from our childrens future.

    * Grow the State to an unsustainable size.

    There really is no difference between the red & blue teams.

    Vote UKIP

  14. 14
    A lefty working at the BBC says:

    Only Ed Balls and Labour can take this Country out of the mess that the Tories have made by selling off gold too cheaply, signing expensive PFI deals, creating the “Union modernisation fund” and bailing out the banks.
    Vote Labour.

  15. 15
    George Smith says:

    Universal Credit will be delivered on time and on budget. I may now be the only person who believes this.

  16. 16
    Tom Gorman says:

    I love how “increased in line with CPI rather than RPI” is a tax rise, Labour are really struggling here.

    And fiddling with rates and “fiscal drag” is classic Labour, straight out of Gordon Brown’s Book of Stealth Taxes

  17. 17
    was it something I said? says:

    They’ve dropped it because, apart from council tenant Labour voters, everybody else is giving it ‘hold on a fucking minute – why should I subsidise bigger than necessary housing for them fuckers. I’d like a big house too’.

  18. 18
    This sensible person says:

    The thing that I don’t get about the bedroom tax is that most people who live in council accomodation didn’t get much choice about the place they were moved into in the first place.

    I mean, the council just says, here you are, take it or leave it basically. There isn’t much choice is there? You can’t like, say “Oh I don’t like the area” or “oh its a bit far from the local park” or “oh I don’t like the view from the windows” etc. You just apply to the council and wait for ages and then, they just give you one right?

    So they give a family a place and it has one too many bedrooms. Not the fault of the family who were given the place is it? Because they don’t get much choice in the matter.

    Or maybe they get given one and they make it their home, live their for years etc and maybe jnr grows up and goes to uni or he grows up and leaves home or maybe someone dies or whatever.

    So then the council, the same council that gave them the place in the first place, now comes to them and says “sorry, you have too many bedrooms now in the house that we gave you in the first place without giving you a choice in the matter, and now, because we have decided you don’t use that spare room, you have to pay a tax on it or you have to move.

    So, you reluctantly say “oh ok I will move,” and you prepare to leave your home of years, leave your friends and neighbours that you made, uproot your kid from school etc.

    Then the council say. “Oh sorry, you can’t move., We don’t have anywhere smaller for you to move to”.

    So you say, oh great. I didn’t want to move anyway.

    and the council THEN says. “Yeah but you still have to pay the tax anyway!!!

    That is taking the piss

  19. 19
    Labour = Waste says:

    Exactly, Labour created the deficit and they’re itching to get another go so they can waste money and increase debt

  20. 20
    was it something I said? says:

    I think the Tories did create the “Union modernisation fund”. It was to give them money to hold votes on strike action rather than have a couple of thugs keeping a close eye on the show of hands in the canteen that typified ‘votes’ back in the 1970s and 1980s.

  21. 21
    ministry of truth says:

    socialism!does exactly the opposite of what it says on the tin!

  22. 22
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill Al Eco-loons says:

    Miliband should call on the government to abolish the telly tax, so as to ease the cost of living for the poor and squeezed middle :-)

    This is one tax cut which should be in the budget!

  23. 23
    A lefty working at the BBC says:

    ‘fraid not, it was created in 2005:

  24. 24
    was it something I said? says:

    No. What is taking the piss is that 20 or more years after being provided with ‘emergency’ housing because they’ve fallen on hard times the fuckers are still being provided with subsidised housing by the rest of us.

    That’s what’s taking the piss.

  25. 25
    Witty Moniker says:

    Yeah! And vote UKIP to save the round pound coin!

  26. 26
    Firm But Fair says:

    The bedroom tax is soft.

    People hogging a large house with spare rooms at taxpayer expense should get a 2 week eviction notice instead of a small tweak to their benefits.

  27. 27
    SleeplessInKirkcaldy says:

    Everyone is a lot better off than they would have been if the coalition hadn’t done what they have done.

    We gorged ourselves on cheap debt – those boom years under Labour were an illusion. Other countries cut government spending – we haven’t: we are still borrowing millions every hour to keep things ticking over until confidence returns. Is that a good thing? History will judge, but compared to governments of the past the coalition have been gentle

  28. 28
    Magnolia says:

    Is the loss of the Personal Allowance for “those at the very top” earning over £100,000 an increase in tax or just a kick in the derriere?

  29. 29
    We are untouchable and we know it says:

    Someone better tell the “so called” BBC, or as they are now using, tell the “dubbed by critics” BBC.

  30. 30
    Danielle Stevens says:

    Benefits for couples earning £300,000.

    Utter madness.

    Everyone is a client of the State now.

    Buying votes with our money – just like Labour.

    There is nothing Conservative about Osbourne.

  31. 31

    It is not a tax it only applies to those on benefit it is a reduction of benefit , benefits are other peoples tax !!

  32. 32
    Owen Jones says:

    Osborne to cut tweets to 135 characters except for people with +300K followers as we don’t want to drive them abroad.

    Buggeration,I’m finished with that proposal !

  33. 33
    We are untouchable and we know it says:

    Long way to go to catch up with Gordon Brown’s, well over 100, stealth taxes. I hope the Tories aren’t too stupid to not remind people of that. The BBC won’t of course. Whoosh. 1997 to 2010 history, what’s that?…

  34. 34
    Trouser Snake says:

    The despised BBC Tax should soon become history.

  35. 35
    Football Chants says:

    5 and 11 are contradictory. You can have one but not both.

  36. 36
    Fishy says:

    Interesting that Labour and their friends in the BBC keep talking about the increasing numbers ensnared in the 40% rate.

    The BBC do not mention the context though – that an adjustment to the threshold was made to equalise the effect of the increase in the personal allowance towards £10,000. This allowance was brought in to help the lowest paid only, the lowering of the 40% threshold had no impact on the tax that middle income earners were paying.

  37. 37
    Toxic Labour for Spongers, Parasites, Criminals, Peedos, Green Nazis & other Wasters says:

    Remember all this tax is to pay off Labour’s debt and to subsidise sponging bastards who should be placed in caravans with food stamps. I’m sick of paying all this tax for these parasites.

  38. 38
    MrNedward says:

    Who do they pay this mythical tax to? I have telephoned the HMRC and they do not accept payments for the “bedroom tax”

    They do not pay any such tax to anybody.

  39. 39
    This sensible person says:

    Couples on £300,000 a year can get help with childcare? Amazing eh. Combine this with tax cuts for millionaires and social security cuts you get the idea who the Tories are interested in

  40. 40
    White Dee says:

    If Labour win the next election, can I go back to sitting on my fat arse sponging off the state?

  41. 41
    Robbing Hoods says:

    George: “I’m going to keep this short…we’re going to continue with our strategy of robbing the poor to give to the rich. Thank you”
    Sits down..

  42. 42

    MR Nedward you have been reading my script

  43. 43
    Two Eds spokesperson says:

    We will introduce a new Tax Tax to recover any remaining cash that has not already been collected from other taxes.

  44. 44 says:

    Is today the day we finally get to hear about Maria Miller and the enquiry into her expenses?

    Being Budget Day and all, it’s a good time to bury it somewhere…

  45. 45
    Let's Have a Republic says:

    And that’s just the ever-holidaying Windsor family.

  46. 46
    UKIP becomes The mincers' party says:

  47. 47
    Endless QE says:

    By 2025, the average house price in London will be two million quid

  48. 48
    Labour Plans says:

    “The 24 Tory Tax Rises” are an outrage says Labour spokesman. We have plans for at least 244 tax rises…

  49. 49
    Stella Creasy says:

    I like cake. The serfs get biscuits.

  50. 50
    Huntwatch says:

    Surely Osborne & Alexander wouldn’t be so hypocritical as to inflict more public sector or benefit cuts the day after announcing the extension of their Au Pair Subsidy for the wealthy ?

  51. 51
    Eric"The Cheeky Chappie" Pickles says:

    It may make for great television, but I’d rather hear the Malaysian transport minister than watch Kay Burley falling off an escalator.

  52. 52
    P l e b says:

    I wonder how much it’s costing to put the new pound into circulation. Seems like another pointless Tory vanity project where the money could be going to better uses.

  53. 53
  54. 54
    The Bulgarian Ambassador says:

    These child benefits. Are they available for the people with fake children overseas?

  55. 55
    Max Clifford says:

    I propose a “Dick Tax”.

    £1,000 on the first inch, and then £200,000 per extra inch.

  56. 56
    Pink Kippers says:

  57. 57
    IMHO says:

    Telling Christians that their marriages are not legally valid in order to appease homosexuals is not very smart.

  58. 58
    nell. says:

    Hurray, haroo, it’s the Budget Day.

    George has polished his red bag, shined his shoes, combed his hair, smiled for a photo for Mummy and off we go…

    …to steal more from the British people than has ever been stolen before

  59. 59
    Lola says:

    Beat me to it.


  60. 60
    non taxable pikey says:

    It could be worse, we could all live in the Putin liberated South Ossetia. This is what those happy Crimean people have to look forward to:

  61. 61
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Many a true word has been said in jest…

  62. 62

    There are other effects of this evil propaganda in referring to this reduction in benefits as a tax.
    I personally know an old lady in her 90s who was convinced for a while that she would be taxed on each of the bedrooms in her house, and was in a state of anxiety for several months until a kindly neighbour managed to explain the situation to her .

  63. 63
    Tina Thatcher says:

    I have always thought the Daily Telegraph were twits and now I have the proof.

    They are going around telling everyone that every shopping trolley will need adapting because of the new 12 sided one pound coin.

    This is nonsense.

    All you need to do is get a plastic token from the supermarket counter in exchange for one pound.

    Their great big scare story is crap.

    With thinking like this no wonder living standards in the country are falling.

  64. 64
    Castleford Resident says:

    Wakefield is a dump

  65. 65

    No, the Bedroom Tax is not a tax because the Tories now call it the “Spare Room Subsidy”. As there has NEVER been anything in regulation or law called the Spare Room Subsidy until the Tories made up this “subsidy” out of thin air to justify their social engineering and economic cleansing programme, it’s pointless calling it that to their smug fat faces. It is, however, now the subject of scrutiny from Brussels and from the UN as an illegal and pernicious attack on the poor and disenfranchised. Never mind. This un-elected rabble of fanatics will be out of power by the time the The Hague considers whether the 11,000 people who have died (up to 2011, DWP HIDES the numbers since) because of Iain Duncan Smith’s vicious policies qualify as casualties of war crimes.

  66. 66
    Dot Cottons fag says:

    I thought UKIP were supposed to be taking on the establishment, not falling into line with them.

  67. 67
    John from Carey Street says:

    Why should we pay for other peoples’ bedrooms ?

    What are the benefits of such a policy?

  68. 68
    P l e b says:

    + 1 million

  69. 69
    P l e b says:

    What if they’ve got a garage but no car? Let’s twat them with that cost too.

  70. 70
    IMHO says:

    Exactly. Farage is aiming for a win in the European elections followed by a total capitualtion in the General Election

  71. 71
    Owen Jones says:

    Aha! The old hand on earpiece technique.

  72. 72
    A Landlord says:

    Garage? You mean ‘guest bedsits’.

  73. 73
    PhD says:

    It only makes a difference if BBC accept it and stop repeating it
    It’s the same as cost of living crisis

    Total bollox

  74. 74
    PhD says:

    That dosent sell papers though or more to the point Mirrors and Guardians for the deluded

    Mind you you can’t give those papers away

  75. 75
    Myfanwy says:

    What is the Tories favourite tax, VAT of course, now what would say to an increase of VAT to 22.5%, it’s certainly a possibility in the next couple of years if Gideon is still chancellor, let’s just hope that the UK does not get involved in another expensive war, which we just can’t afford.

  76. 76

    We need an ‘ economic cleansing program ‘ , the more of the idle shiftless chav scum we can rid ourselves of the better .

  77. 77
    Anonymous says:

    Why should we pay for the house at all! It is the concept of government hand-outs that is wrong. Everybody, however, unfit for work should be employed/sponsored by companies.

    The workhouse was something to fear by many, but a great help to a lot.

    There is no fear now. Hence the desolation of the workforce.

  78. 78
    Stephen Hawking says:

    Why would you bother adapting them for plastic tokens if you need to adapt to the new coin?

    Wouldn’t it be easier just to have a counter willing to change old pound coins for new ones or vice versa?

  79. 79
    PhD says:

    No it isn’t
    If they don’t want to be moved to allow a larger family access then buy a house and fuck off out of subsidized accommodation

  80. 80
    PhD says:

    You really are a twat
    Millionaires paid higher tax for 26 days of a 13 1/2 year labour government
    They we’re put up by brown simply to fuck up anyone who followed
    The so called millionaires have paid more tax under this government I 4 years than in the entire Labour government 1997 to 2010

    You are the problem and your lack of basic knowledge and intelligence results in Labour getting their hands time after time on the fisc cookie jar

    Do me and millions of others a favour and don’t vote. A vote is dangerous in your hands son

  81. 81
    Myfanwy says:

    That’s OK, I don’t live in that place, and will in all probability have popped off by 2025 anyway. I did note one thing that was mentioned on the Beeb the other day, a bloke was being interviewed about US local tax the equivalent to Council Tax, apparently if a person has a house in one state and another in one state, and one in yet another state etc etc or even a foreigner owning property in the states does not get out of paying the local tax, if Ossie was man enough he could apply the same rule as in the States, that would help London and its residents out as there would be not get outs of paying Council Tax.

  82. 82
    PhD says:

    French style system ?

    Soixante neuf??

  83. 83
    Two sides to a coin says:

    And what about all the new debt run up by the coalition?

    It has borrowed more in four years than Labour did in 13.

    Sure, Labour trashed the economy. But the coalition has run amok with debt.

  84. 84
    Myfanwy says:

    I still call Council Tax the old name of rates

  85. 85
    the kray twins says:

    dear euromillions winner

    congratulations on your win and thank you for going public.

    lots of really fucking horrible shit is probably going to happen to your family because there will be lots of nasty people out there wanting your windfall. we would like to offer the services of my family to provide you with protection and security from those thieving hoards.

    course it might have been a little bit cleverer to have not gone public in the first place, but i guess after having won nearly 108 million quid the lure of a few extra grand from the lotto people as payment for the promotional publicity you provided them was too much to turn down.

    look forward to doing business with you.

    ron and reg

  86. 86
    Myfanwy says:

    Cass is in the same metropolitan area so still a dump is dump

  87. 87
    Twampersand mk III says:

    If the tories really wanted to, they could have started paying down the national debt, instead of massively increasing it in spite of oppressive levels of taxation. They could have taxed energy companies, banks and foreign registered companies until the pips squeaked. They could have got rid of the million or more workfare places created by McMong, they could have reduced/removed employer’s NI contributions, they could have pulled all troops out of all foreign territories, they could have saved 50 million a day by withdrawing from the EU, they could have saved almost 50,000,000,000 (yes, nine noughts) by not spunking it away on Indian spaceships and Zimbabwean despots, they could HAVE DONE SOMETHING.

    I cannot understand how tribal people are. They whine that it’s all Labour’s fault, and there is no doubt they made a monumental arse of everything, but can’t or won’t see what utter hunts the tories are.

    Are you content to pay extortionate levels of taxation to crooks and perverts, to support ridiculous schemes that are creating social chaos, so long as those taxes are not levied by Labour?

  88. 88
    Sick of the greed and lies(still) says:

    The way you say it suggests that you are working? If that is the case, does the DWP know about it?
    If you have signed off benefits, that is great. As Tesco says, “every little bit helps”.

  89. 89
    Twampersand mk III says:

    It already is in my house.

  90. 90
    Twampersand mk III says:

    I still call it theft.

  91. 91
    Anonymous says:

    is that john bercow wearing a lord prescott mask?

  92. 92
    Fishy says:

    You’re becoming obsessive P l e b.

    Wouldn’t you be happy back on Labour List?

  93. 93
    Myfanwy says:

    Sleepless, people see things as they are experiencing them, prices are still rising fast, buy you cheap stuff is what you see printed on the packet really what is in the packet. £25K in London is riff-raff wages where I live it is a liveable wage, just think with that knew pound coin announced today will only buy what an old threepeeny piece could buy (everday items) in 1955, check it out.

  94. 94
    They made me go to rehab says:

    Your analysis is spot on – most of the commentary on here is just tribal

  95. 95
    DWWolds says:

    The reason this government has borrowed more is because of the accruals from the budget deficit left behind by Labour. If you add those accruals up they have added to the debt by something like half a billion. Unless and until we reduce the budget deficit to zero the debt will continue to increase. If you don’t understand this you should try buying a basic accounting book from W H Smith.

  96. 96
    Twampersand mk III says:

    So the context would be something like “Tories pretend to reduce taxation, whilst actually just pretending to and hoping thick people will not notice”.

  97. 97
    Myfanwy says:

    Soke and mirrors dear, smoke and mirrors

  98. 98
    Osborne says:

    “Slim your wallet with Belroy”?

    Once I’m finished with the proles’ wallets today they’ll make a pancake look like a gourmet burger.

  99. 99
    Anonymous says:

    the problem arose because of private landlords charging stupidly expensive rents. in my area a typical 2 bedroom council property goes for about 300 quid a month. a private rent for the same type of housing goes for about 800 a month.

    when the cap on benefits was first brought in there was a single mom shown on the news. she lived in london in a private 2 bed flat that had formerly been a council property. the weekly rent charge was 375 quid. i would wager if it had still be a council owned property the rent would have been about 150 a week.

    seeing as though most council housing stock was built well over 30 years ago one would proffer they’ve been bought and paid for… which begs the question why aren’t councils using the income from rents to fund new builds?

  100. 100
    Twampersand mk III says:

    You’re a twat by kneejerking to the tories defense when it’s quite obvious they could have undone Brown’s scorched earth policies on day one, explaining that they were simply restoring the status quo of the previous 13 years. If they had wanted to. Which they didn’t.

    Is the ‘P’ is PhD for prick?

  101. 101
    Denis MacShane says:

    I think you mean Office Complex, with adjoining IT suites.

  102. 102
    Twampersand mk III says:

    Minimun wage is the workhouse, without the overheads. Try again.

  103. 103
    Anonymous says:

    the masses have been brainwashed into believing that anyone who doesn’t agree with homosexuality is a full on genocidal fascist. it’s thought control, to put it simply. people need to be aware of this if they want ukip to win over the majority. there is nothing wrong with people being gay- the problem lays with the notion that anyone who doesn’t agree that it is normal is a nasty fucker. most people disagree because of their personal religious beliefs and it is one of the few issues that unites christians and muslims. that is the emphasis that should be placed on this topic… of asking gays to be tolerant of the right for people to not think homosexuality is normal. however untypical would be a better word, as not normal equates to abnormal. roughly 10% of people are and most of them are sound as a pound and get the tolerant point. its the screamers/drama queens/young inexperienced ones who cause all the fuss backed up by twisted fruits like the repulsive peter tatchel that are the shit stirrers …plus common purpose and the eu (who are doing it to further weaken the family unit and divide communities even more.

  104. 104
    Serial mugging victim says:

    Ah Osborne’s spads on patrol

  105. 105
    Not up my 'arris, how very dare you? says:

    You don’t need to be religious to realise that taking it up the shitter is not normal, and should be actively discouraged due to damage caused by this hobby, both to the individuals in particular and society in general.

  106. 106
    Anonymous says:

    Tents if we are generous and no food stamps. Let the idle cnuts work for it. Have you seen the state of this country? Rubbish everywhere. Why can’t they clear it up- or does this infringe their “rights”? Sponging gits.

  107. 107
    dave says:

    And mine,fuck em.

  108. 108
    Rusty Bodangler says:

    Anyone have or care to compile an equivalent list of tax increases and new legislation introduced under the last labour government?

    I think the difference would be… startling.

  109. 109

    If the single ‘ mom’ as you put it [we aren’t yanks] should have kept her legs shut or used contraception instead of expecting taxpayers to subsidise her promiscuous habits1

  110. 110
    The Critic says:

    What about parking meters…….

  111. 111
    bartfartbastard says:

    Ho,ho, ho.

    Most humourous.

    Tories create a million unemployed in one fell swoop?

    Great solution if you’re Stalin, Mao or Hitler.

  112. 112
    Laughing all the way to the gulag says:

    and remember, taxes are always so much lower under socialism

  113. 113
    Laughing all the way to the gulag says:


    Do you not understand what he said?

  114. 114
    The Critic says:

    Be fair, if your numbers are correct, it’s killed a lot less people than either Christanity or Socialism.

  115. 115
    Hugh Janus says:

    “I’m sick of paying all this tax for these parasites.”

    Stop voting for them, them.

  116. 116
    Hugh Janus says:

    Them, then. Or something…

  117. 117
    Laughing all the way to the gulag says:

    Bob Crow had a carnsil arse til the day he died

    at least that one is free now

  118. 118
    Hugh Janus says:

    That would bring it closer to the EU average. Let’s face it: it was 17.5%. Then Darling dropped it to 15% in a bit to win votes (whilst a certain chain or two of supermarkets lowered their prices by either 1% or not at all – and then promptly wound them up 2.5% when VAT went up to 20%. Well, that’s what happened in my town, anyway). Come the 2010 election the new government, having realised that a politician had told the truth for the first time ever, in the form of Liam Byrne writing that he was sorry but there’s no money left, put it up to 20%.

    Now, this is entirely understandable when you consider that Labour pissed away 2.5% in VAT revenue. It was inevitable that the post-2010 government, even if it had been a Labour one, would have had to put it up 5% to make up that 2.5% loss. Even Labour have admitted that it was in their post-2010 plan.


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    Laughing all the way to the gulag says:

    No, it wouldn’t.

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    Hugh Janus says:

    Can’t do sums! Supermarkets wound them up 5%. Must be the effect listening to Osborne lie through his teeth in his tedious voice turning my brain to mush. Come on, man – just tell us how much you’re putting on booze and petrol.

    I’m sure he’s said that the personal allowance is going up to ten grand every budget since he took office. I’m sure he said, “From next April everyone can earn £10k tax-free…” in his first “emergency” budget after taking office. Will it actually happen this time…?

  121. 121
    Laughing all the way to the gulag says:

    No one cares.

    A few old fruitcake tories who joined UKIP because of gays rather than the real issue of leaving the EU are not worth worrying about.

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    Anonymous says:

    perhaps the only reason the uk ever had a welfare system and health service was so that it could hold the moral high ground whilst pilfering the natural resources of less “civilized” countries under the guise of liberating them.

    if that was the reality it would not be so bad if that garnered wealth was shared amongst the people of the uk. instead though it goes into the pockets of a few handful.

    the internet has learned us that tory/labour/libdem are all scumbags. and it does not take a leap of imagination to figure it has always been that way. a year or so ago the bbc parliament channel was rerunning most of its output from general election day 1983. they showed kinnock speaking to his constituents in a local hall. worst bit of political acting i have ever seen in my life. he probably thought hardly anyone was watching it as it went out live and that it would never see the light of day again.

    the way i see it the tories are and always have been utter utter c u n t s
    ditto labour
    ditto libdem
    ditto green
    ditto almost anyone involved in politics.

    take fucking hague and fucking kerry. rather than lose face and be seen to back down they seem to be prepared to throw the world into all out war. meanwhile some single mum who was having to fork out 375 quid a fucking week to a private landlord and is still having to fork out 375 a week even though her benefits have been capped meaning that her kids might be going without decent meals meaning they will grow up probably to repeat the cycle of poverty is getting the wrath from a scum didn’t i do well if i can do it any one can narrow minded twat.

    and you didn’t comment about why haven’t councils invested rent money into new builds. instead you picked on the weakest link. so when all out war kicks off and your house gets splattered and you have no where to live… yeah you get it. twat.

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    Laughing all the way to the gulag says:

    The new coin is needed because the old one is too easily forged, that’s all.

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    Anonymous says:

    according to the oracle that is stephen fry most bummers don’t actually bum.

    the point i am making and i make it again is the majority of people have been brainwashed into thinking homosexuality is normal and that anyone who thinks otherwise is a massively evil baby sacrificing monster. whilst it is wonderful for you to express your views in such forthright terms if the majority were to cotton on that you were ukip (no idea if you are that way inclined or not) then ukip would be totally fucked. if ukip really are serious about winning seats at the next general election they’ve got to realize most people live in a perception that has and is dominated by the mainstream media, thus they have to reason within those grounds. all you are doing is pushing them away. which begs the question either you really fucking stupid or you and others are doing it purposely to fuck ukip up aka you are not ukip orientated. ukip need to think much bigger. fuck just trying to grab a few seats… fucking wipe all the other political parties off of the map.

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    If the whore had used contraception in the first place she would have had no state dependent brats in order to leech of the taxpayers, why the fuck should we pay for their ‘decent meals’, when we are too busy paying for our own ?

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    Dan says:

    Which of these taxes would Labour not have introduced?

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    Anonymous says:

    okay. let’s angle this differently away from your oedipus complex.

    a two parent family have one child. one parent works and earns the average uk salary… which is about £26,500. after deductions their left with about 21,000 which equates to 400 quid a week to live on. where is this couple living? yep let’s say they privately rent the place next door to the “whore” who committed the cardinal sin of having a child out of wedlock. (you know because banks are far more important than human beings perpetuating themselves). so they pay 375 a week for the roof over their head and are left with 25 quid for utilities, transport oh what else? oh yeah. food. (garbage in garbage out).

    sure maybe they’ll be tax credits and child support (do they deserve child support? are people allowed to become parents in your own special utopia of the future?). but they will still be left with fuck all. what is the problem in all of this? it is the private fucking landlord charging 375 quid a week. like i said in my first post round my parts people can get a 2 bed council place for 300 quid a month. homes that were built well over 40 years ago. so why the fuck aren’t my local council and all the other fucking councils out there reinvesting the money they are receiving from tenants into new builds?

    it is a very simple question that you are not answering. instead you want to make out you are well hard by having a pop at single mothers. you are like many other people who fail to realize that every one is different. just because some clamber out of poverty it does not make all those who don’t sub fucking human. fuck money. fuck slips of paper called promissory notes and coins that have nothing precious about them and numbers darting about computer systems… it is all a pile of shit. when inanimate objects become more important than living beings then you know the world is fucked.

    you really think it is a coincidence that “profit” sounds like “prophet”? fucking brainwashed dickheads. money is the biggest cult there is.

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    Jack Ketch says:

    You are confused. The matter only affects people on state benefit in council owned housing for which they pay F U C K A L L! Those people in council housing who are paying their way are not affected.

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    David Parsons says:

    So coalition increased taxes 24 times in first 4 years in office – Gordon Brown increased taxes 48 times in their first 4 years in office (’97-’01) …

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    Myfanwy says:

    Certainly it seems like it, but government loves shifting thing that cost a lot on to local councils so that councils get the blame for rising rates

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    I still do not understand why you expect strangers to be responsible for the upkeep of other peoples children, if you can’t feed ‘em don’t breed ‘em.
    Why should council tax payers constantly pay for houses to be built that they don’t personally need , or if single, will never get the opportunity to live in. Those promissory notes and coins as you so glibly describe them , represent peoples hard work to support themselves.

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    FLETCH says:

    at least you can see these taxes. Gordon Brown invented stealth taxes, which you could not see but still hurt

  133. 133
    Anonymous says:

    disappointed with your reply. c’mon! you know council tax and rent fees for council housing are completely different entities. i don’t give a shit about the right to buy being a tory initiative, like i posted before they are all turds in my book. labour have been just as bad ditto libdems. most councils must have paid off the costs of building council housing however decades beyond 30 years ago that they were built. so why aren’t they using the money they are receiving from tenants for the rental of council houses to fund new builds.

    you certainly do have a point about why should we pay for others (using young people) getting up the duff and getting council housing or big housing benefit payments. but where would the line be drawn? old age pensioners to no longer receive housing benefits? working families to be charged the market rate for renting?

    the system is a pile of shit and it all rebounds around “money”. it’s pathetic.

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    Jim says:

    One problem with that diatribe, when you get to the ‘you have to pay a tax on it’.

    No, they don’t pay a thing. Comprende? No-one asks for money for this extra room. No money is to be paid, as a tax, or any other word you like to use.

    i.e. they dont have to pay any tax.

    They will recieve on average £15 LESS free money from taxpayers.

    To repeat, the free money they get for a house will be £15/week lower if they have a spare room.

    They do not pay tax, they get given less unearned money, to the tune of £15 per week.

    So that means they do not have to PAY any tax, they just get £15 less free money.

    I hope that covered as many permeatations of how they DON’T PAY ANY TAX.

    And to summarise for you, no, they don’t have to PAY any TAX. They get £15 less free money.

  135. 135
    Taxman says:

    You’d be due a large rebate.

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    keith says:

    What people seam to forget is when labour came to power they had a massive job on there hands thatchers torys sold everything we had so we couldnt export it took labour 13years just to get the country back on its feet

  137. 137
    LordBlagger says:

    Er, no.

    Debt is more than borrowing.

    2005-2010, Labour added 734 bn a year to the state’s pension debts.

  138. 138

    The market rate for renting is a reasonable proposition, if those in private rented accommodation pay the market rent why not.
    Do you really think that any council however good intentioned to start with could resist blurring the line between rent receipts and council tax receipts ,especially as rent receipt alone could never cover the cost of constantly building more housing , when do they call a halt , there is only so much building land available.

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