February 25th, 2014

Harman: “No One Should Be Complacent” About Historic Abuse

In 2012 Harriet Harman was very clear about not letting old sex abuse issues rest:

“no one should be complacent and believe that sexual abuse by people in positions of power at the BBC happened then, but could not happen now? The BBC should proceed now to review all its policies and processes on the protection of children, sexual harassment and whistleblowing, in order to be sure that the right policies and processes are in place and are properly enforced.”

She told the Commons that “there are still countless young women and men who have been abused but have never complained because they bear a great burden of shame, guilt and disgust, and fear that they will not be believed.”

And what to do?

“Should not our strong and clear message to them today be “Come forward now, seek the support that you need to address the wrong that has been done to you, and, in doing so, not only secure the justice that you deserve but protect others in the future”?”

Suddenly, when the wolves are at her door, it’s all a smear to dredge up history.


  1. 1
    Danielle Stevens says:

    If the Daily Mail story is false, then can someone tell me why Harriet et al are not suing them to oblivion?

    The lady could buy another get away in Norfolk & serve roast goose everyday with the winnings, surely?

    Why not Harriet?

  2. 2
    East India Company Wallah says:

    Ironic face😣

  3. 3
    Phil from Pentonville says:

    This is going to end in tears and overcrowded prisons.

  4. 4
    in the best possible taste says:

    when did she marry Kenny Everett

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    Gilbert Fiddler says:

    Oh, they loved it all back then, when they could sneer at prudes and try and be so smart.

    The PIE scandal was just an aside to these bright young lefty things, getting their noses into the political trough.

    Not quite so nice now is it…

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    Anonymous says:

    “Harmen” ? ?

  7. 7
    Harman attacks Messenger says:

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    Cazual Observer 7 says:

    The Mail story is true.

    Harriet is trying to spin this into the long grass of harassment and smear.

    She is trying to get the press closed down in the background to cover her tracks:


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    SNAFU says:

    I notice that Milliband is conspicuous by his silence.

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    Harriet Harman Kiddie-Fiddler Counsel says:

    Harman: No One Should Be Complacent About Historic Abuse

    Certainly not in the way I have been for well over three decades.

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    Anon says:

    She can’t sue because every word of the Daily Mail story is the truth, and the lying bitch know it.

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    Just askin' says:

    So Harriet, what exactly Labour do in 13 years of goverment about publishing these sorts of photos?

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    Ellie-Mae (9) says:

    Given your past Harriet and your husbands activities, should I take lessons from you?

    You’re a “responsible” member of parliament elected by the public. Whereas I can ignore the Mail, you get to dictate what is moral and correct.

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    Ed Millibandwagon says:

    thilenth fool

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    Pot Calls Kettle Black says:

    So why has Harman reproduced the photo and not just posted a link? Surely she is making a point with the photo, just as the Mail is making a point with the photo.

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    Northern Convert says:

    Maybe Tony Blair could give her the recipe for
    humble pie……oh….I forgot., he don’t know it either!!!

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    Emile Zola says:

    There have been umpteen Elections since Harperson worked as a lawyer for this Charity.

    We are told the wrongdoing was always documented in the public domain.

    Why have the Daily Mail woken up now?

    Ìt would have been nice if they told people about this before Blair’s first win, even nicer if they had mentioned it before his second and third wins.

    The war in Iraq and the deaths and misery which followed could all have been avoided if this newspaper had been run to serve the public.

    Brown would never have got in to power and destroyed our banks and living standards.

    The country’s demise is clearly at the door of the Daily Mail.

    No, I am not interested in apologies.

    I want arrests and convictions.

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    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Is Harriet now running a smear campaign against the BBC?. :-)

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    It’s about time we had all women shortlists for the Trades Union leaders.

    Vile Trades Union dinosaurs like McCluskey,Crow and Serwotka should step down in favour of women elected on an all women shortlist.

    Or is it do as i say and not as i do for Labour’s paymasters!

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    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    Have the Daily Mail been sitting on this story for years?

  22. 22
    Tom Watson says:

    Funny ‘innit…you’ve not heard a peep from me lately!

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    Well if you will take things out of context says:

    The article was about Courtney Stodden who got married to a 51 year old when she was just 16. Her two sisters are quite a bit older than she is.

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    SNAFU says:

    Should Cameron take a leaf out of Millbands book a be calling for a Judge led inquiry.

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    Steve Miliband says:

    Can we kick Leveson into the long grass now?

    B.liar said he hadn’t spoken to Rebekah.
    That nice Mr Morgan had no knowledge of h*cking.
    Huge Grunt has more children than he can keep up with
    Mad Al has a vendetta against the Mail

    And now Harman

    There seems to be a pattern

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    Tom Watson says:

    Me too!

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    Kinky George C……….. says:

    I cannot see the links between Harman, kiddie fondling and the BBC.

    Lets keep the BBC out of this and concentrate on Harman and kiddie fondling.

    I believe the next witness to be examined is the Daily Mail.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Yes, it’s now absolutely vital that we adopt the United States written constitution enshrining free speech,free press and the right to keep and bear arms.

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    Mr Oddbod says:

    Well done Guido, contrary to what some on here say, you are not just a fat camp mick who does what his hook nosed controllers order him to. No. Sometimes you can be useful. Keep at this scapi gusseted two faced cow until she cracks and resigns or until spineless limp cocked Milliwanker finds his bollocks from under his sweaty chubby wife and sacks her. I imagine Harriet will be quite literally pegging the shit out of Dromney tonight.

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    Anonymous says:

    This is all a minor sideshow compp

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    SNAFU says:

    Just a thought why is harman posting photos of under-age girls.

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    The Stasi says:

    The British “loony left” rather conveniently created a list of names, often people high in public life, which we could then exploit to our advantage during the Cold War era.

    A man that could be exposed as a kiddie fiddler would do anything for us if it meant keeping his secret safe.

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    Hard Copy says:

    It looks like she has got that DM page in a personal photo frame, rather than a cut and paste from the DM site, I wonder why?

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    Anonymous says:

    This is all a minor sideshow compa

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    Loopy Lou says:

    I have just been reading about Brooks’ evidence .

    i cannot stop crying.

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    Socialism Ate My Future says:

    The same constitution that Obama is currently undermining on a daily basis?

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    Peeeedo says:

    Thank you for posting that harriet, phwoooor.

  38. 38
    Phil from Pentoville says:

    You can’t stop crying.

    I can’t stop laughing.

    Has the Bible fallen on the floor yet ?

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    Kitty has moved all his assets abroad and taken new citizenship elsewhere says:

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    Historian says:

    This is all a minor sideshow compared with the D Notice used to shut down Operation Ore

    Why don’t you all demand that this whole epoisode bs explained?

    Publiclky, by that rate Blair…

    It would make Savile look like chicken feed also

    Why a D Notice ? FFS – normally to protect “national security”?

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    Bemused says:

    They kept very quiet about all the loony lefties that donned suits and pretended to be “New Labour”.

    I remember David Blunkett donning a suit to join the cabinet and thinking “That guy was a loony leftie, he was as mad as Derek Hatton. How on earth is he in the cabinet? Why aren’t the newspapers showing the same outrage as when Kinnock was Labour leader?”

    New Labour = Marxist with a suit

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    jgm2 says:


    I’ve just skimmed through that ‘Smoking Gun document’ in the link and, much as I loath Labour in all its guises, I don’t think Harriet was proposing anything unreasonable in that document.

    It’s quite clearly against child pornography. It’s concerned only that naked pictures of kids be taken in context ie nobody gets arrested for taking pictures of their kids in the bath or for sex education material or legitimate documentaries or dramas.

    And the ‘reduction in sentences’ refers to lower sentences for people who posses kiddy po*rn compared to those who actually took the pictures. The users ‘v’ the ‘pushers’ if you like.

    Sadly, if that’s the ‘smoking gun’ evidence ‘proving’ Harriet was supporting P*I*E then they’re talking shit.

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    Goes against the grain but says:

    Much as I detest her, the DM is guilty here of an enormous skewing of the facts. At no time did she try and restrict child pornography – the proposed NCCL wording looks to me like it was designed to prevent parents who take pictures of their babies in the bath (who hasn’t) being considered criminals. Guido does himself no favours jumping on this bandwagon.

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    Is this the best the could come up with? says:

    Because she looked all day and her people looked all day and finally they found one?

  45. 45
    Tooting Tony from Tel Avis, Middle East War Envoy says:

    The form hand of history is gripping my dick

    Harder and harder…

  46. 46
    Big Black Gay Cocks.com says:

    Ah, you mean the sort of thing I can see if I go down the park or on the beach every summer?

    Which, unlike wanting to have sex with 10 year-olds, isn’t illegal?

  47. 47
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    Have you been fondling little children ?

  48. 48
    Tooting Tony from Tel Avis, Middle East War Envoy says:

    That should of course be “firm”

    I have been tooting too much…

  49. 49
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Bring back Sergeant Dixon and Andy they could always tell you who were the wrong ‘uns in under 45 minutes.
    Mind how you go! (salutes).

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    Say what you like about the Mail, Harriet says:

    But photographs of of young girls in bikinis is not the same as photographs of very young girls completey naked, or wishing to have sex with four year olds. PIE argued for both while the NCCL executive did nothing.

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    Ed Millibrain says:

    I’m waiting to see how this all turns out, before I decide which side to be on

  52. 52
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    As far as i’m aware free speech still exists in the US, so does a free press and gun ownership is at an all time high.

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    a great time to be a Tory says:

    I know these Socialists have form for electoral fraud theft, violence and drunkeness but now they seem to have developed over many years an interest in child abuse.

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    Effed Off says:

    I don’t know what’s schadenfreudier (is that a word) Harmboys ‘predicament’ or the fact the Bolshevik Broadcasting Collective have got themselves in a shite over how to put positive spin on this.

    Can’t understand why the press have not picked up on this before, it really is
    yesterday’s news.


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    Cazual Observer 7 says:

    No – The entire MSM have.

    There was some reporting of this back in the 70s / 80s but it did not command full attention.

    The documents have been in the NCCL archive held at the LSE from the start.

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    It's all coming together now says:

    I doubt it. Elm House scandal late 70s to early 80s. Just the time when P I E was active in NCCL.

    So, the implication will be that senior Labour figures created an atmosphere were paed0s were able to get together and find out what was going on and where. Elm House was one of those places, thus putting Harriet Harmskids directly in the frame for whatever went on at Elms House.

    Labour should never have crossed the Daily Mail………

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    SNAFU says:

    I see that harmen apologists are crawling out of the woodwork.

  58. 58
    Pædo says:

    That’s so shocking and disgusting I’m going to re-tweet it to all my mates so they can be shocked and disgusted as well.

  59. 59
    Anonymous says:

    Harriet gives it out but can`t take it.

  60. 60
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    She got hold of hubbies Password.

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    The Daily Mail says:

    Oh we’re not done yet. We need to get Elms House out of the way first.

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    Just say you are sorry and we can all move on says:

    The DM must know more than they are letting on.

    The Police should raid their offices and make a few arrests.

    This story goes right into the heart of Downing Street.

  63. 63
    Nobody (in Safe Mode) says:

    I think the Conservative, Labour and Liberal parties are doing a good job.

  64. 64
    The former President of Ukraine says:

    Are the Police looking for her yet ?

  65. 65
    Prime Minister"Money's no object" Cameron says:

    I did a spot of stand up on the paraplegic ward at the hospital last night.

    I didn’t tell any jokes or anything, I was just showing off

  66. 66
    BigBlackCockfrom Paris says:

    It’s a right wing conspiracy started by Lord McAlpine…..

  67. 67
    Young 'un turning into an Old 'un says:

    If I remember rightly wasn’t Julia Somerville arrested for taking completely innocent pictures of her kids in the bath in the .

    The film developer reported her to the police.

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    Phil from Pentonville says:

    I mean to say there must be something behind this story.

    The Daily Mail just don’t make these things up and lie to their readers.

    The Daily Mail is a national institution.

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    Spit it out man! says:

    You’re keeping us in suspense!

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    Nobody (in Safe Mode) says:

    Why is she evading the issue then?

    Even if your argument is 100% correct, then it is a daft approach she is taking.

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    I dislike socialists intensely says:

    Chickens coming home to roost .Get the popcorn in.

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    Harman is evil says:

    Geedo, can you upload Emily Fatbelly’s interview on Julia Hartley-Brewer’s show on LBC that was on around 1 today? JHB went on Twitter afterwards to say she wasn’t impressed that Thornberry’s first words were to abuse the other guest, who was Toby Young. Typical Labour slime.

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    A probing forensic question says:

    Why has the Daily Mail never had a Page Three girl ?

    They do like to talk about sex a lot .

  74. 74
    Nworb Nodrog says:

    My alter ego knows nothing (What’s new?)

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    G4S says:

    We do hope so!

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    I dislike socialists intensely says:

    Miliband was in short trousers when all this was going on.

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    The Duke says:

    Precisely. I hope this runs and runs and runs….

  78. 78
    Owen Jones says:

    Yeah you schmuck, at least I had the balls to start a petition

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    Phil from Pentonville says:

    Talk about it is all they ever do pal.

    A real load of Merchant Bankers believe you me.

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    Hairyyet Harpersonboy says:

    Oh I don’t know, which form? 2nd, 3rd?

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    More to the point says:

    Q. Were the M’ail responsible for taking those pictures ?
    A. No.

    Q. What was the tone of the article ?
    A. Strange. Questioning an aspiring model and at best raising her profile and advertising her.

    Q. Does this M’ail article have anything at all to do with P’edo ?
    A. The early photo’s – questionable. More for the family, or photographer who took them / posed the shots. They are clearly being used now in order to promote the person in question, and likely at her / her agents request.

    The tone of the captions under the photo suggests that the M’ail were raising more a moral eyebrow to this. ‘Not so sweet…’ etc.

    H’arman would argue that had these photo’s been taken with less clothing on then there would be no problem in doing that and circulating as the child in question was not provably harmed.

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    Socialism Ate My Future says:

    True but not for want of trying though

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    Nasty Harmen says:

    She must resign!

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    Bemused says:

    If you read it a little more carefully you will see the actual proposed wording creates a massive loophole that can be used to justify all manner of abuse.

    She was employed as a legal expert, so the loophole was deliberate.

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    jgm2 says:

    The Daily Mail just don’t make these things up and lie to their readers.

    It’s not ‘made up’ so much as totally skewed.

    So, for example, the suggestion that people who possess kiddy p*orn receive a lower sentence than those who actually took the photos is presented as ‘Harman wanted lower sentences’ for kiddy porn.

    Which is deliberately misstating the overall message.

    It’s like the bedwetters who misquote Fatcha saying ‘There’s no such thing as society…’

    I fucking hate Labour for what they did to the UK. But this ‘proof’ of Harriet ‘supporting’ P*I*E is bullshit

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    Milly Junior says:

    She’s a bit of a preachy, hypocritical two-faced khunt that Mad Harman. Couldn’t lie straight in bed.

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    Bemused says:

    “the proposed NCCL wording looks to me like it was designed to prevent parents who take pictures of their babies in the bath (who hasn’t) being considered criminals.”

    Does it? Look at the proposed wording again. Does it restrict itself to that or is the proposed wording a massive loophole which can be used to justify anything?

    Remember, Harriet Harmskids was the legal expert at NCCL, she knew what she was doing.

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    Anonymous says:

    I am thinking about becoming affiliated to the Labour party but it won`t really mean anything will it?

  89. 89
    Nobody (in Safe Mode) says:

    …using that black strap-on?

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    Jack says:

    What about their story about the “middle aged” couple that was going to rock Downing Street?

    That was Andy and Rebekah?

    Rather a wet fart I say

    In fact a non event

    Rather like Tony and Wendi

    But these stories sell papers etc

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    jgm2 says:

    If you say there’s a loophole then I believe you. But at face value that document tells me that NCCL was against kiddy po*rn and were only concerned that an absolute b*a*n on pics of naked kids would end up with parents being arrested for pics of their kids in the bath or schools being busted for having child sex education material or film-makers being busted for depicting gritty reality.

    If there’s an obvious loop-hole then Harriet’s entirely believable fall-back position is that she’s fucking thick and didn’t see it herself.

    Anybody would believe that. Of her.

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    Lord Prescott of PIE says:

    Leave the lass alone, there’s nowt wrong with PIE.
    Melton Mowbray Dinkie Pork is my favourite followed closely by a Hollands Suet Pudding.

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    Bemused says:

    “The second page contains a paragraph saying that a picture should not be considered indecent if the model was not harmed”

    – that is what it actually says. It is a huge legal loophole that can be used to justify all manner of things. Harriet Harmskids knew that – she was a legal expert. She goes on to mention parents taking photos of their kids in the bath – but it isn’t actually part of the proposed wording.

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    Scallywag says:

    LOL! ;)

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    ANON says:

    Probably grown the beard to make clear that he is male after getting a constituency reserved for a woman candidate.

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    jgm2 says:

    I don’t know why she’s evading the issue. But that ‘smoking gun’ link is horseshit. Maybe there’s a lot more evidence. I haven’t been following closely but claiming that is a ‘smoking gun’ is just fucking rubbish.

    It’s nothing of the sort.

    And believe me, if I could interpret that to further compound my deep loathing of Labour then I would. But it’s

  97. 97
    Scallywag says:

    …and completing his Rubik’s cube on telly.

    What a sad fucker he is!

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    Gerbil 7 says:

    I misread that as ‘overcrowded pensions’.
    I may yet be right.

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    Jack says:

    Hey Dave

    Instead of all this stand up gig

    Can’t you just sit down and think for a few minutes

    The “rebranding” this morning was a total and disgraceful farce

    Unless your intention is to destroy the Tory Party

    You should start by firing Shapps, Feldman and Alfon

    They are not even Tories

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    jgm2 says:

    … not credible to claim that link is a ‘smoking gun’.

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    Beyond H@rman et al, we need a serious investigation into NCCL/Liberty.

    I’ve long thought that smartarse Chuckabutty is The Enemy Within, with her rancid organisation defending the indefensible: pervs, t3rrorists, j1had1s etc etc can all count on them for support – all under the banner of Uman Rites and paid for by Legal Aid.

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    JH945894343432945 says:

    I think the issue is, what is an organisation like PIE doing in the NCCL in the first place?

    It’s not like they had some crafty name designed to obfuscate their intentions, like other Gramscian lefty bullshit setups.

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    You're losing the argument Harriet says:

    Rather different to being affiliated to a group whose aim was to r a p e children Harriet.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    The Senate & Congress can have a corrupt/power crazed President impeached and if they fail to do so then the people can use those guns most effectively on said senators,congressmen & president :-)

  105. 105
    NSA/GCHQ says:

    Stasi did We hear Stasi?

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    Mr Bryant says:

    I myself prefer selfies of MP’s in their underpants.

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    GlisteningLabia says:

    Harman, are you or any of your minions reading any of this??
    Please take note!
    Do you want this to be your career ender? Do you want to end up on crap TV shows with Jacqui Smith?

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    Bemused says:

    Yes, the only way you could claim that Harriet Harmskids was not fully aware that she was supporting P I E is by claiming she was so stupid that she was unaware that she was suggesting an enormous legal loophole that would have allowed them to get away with all sorts, despite the fact that she was a fully qualified lawyer employed as a legal expert and that the justifications she gave for suggesting the proposed change are not in any way refelected in the actual wording proposed, as shown on the second page provided by the DM.

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    Jack says:

    I prefer Santiago. Oh oh yessssssssssssssss.

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    The cover up says:

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    Morgan's Organ says:

    She should ‘come forward now, seek the help that you need to address the wrong that has been done’ to quote a well known phrase by the old crone Mrs Bedonebyasyoudid!

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    Cazual Observer 7 says:

    Unless the images demonstrate certain S+M fetishes or are outright snuff, how can harm by the images be proved either way ?

    As a lawyer, H’arman would have been fully aware of the size of this loophole.

    This is why current legislation just classifies images of child abuse as being that of a crime scene, and are treated outside of obscene publication legislation.

    The argument is that H’arman is refusing to apologize for her part in advancing the interests of the P.I.E. That is not quite the same as being a P.I.E. supporter, but in the mind of the public the equivocation will be made.

    From a moral point of view it is actually worst.

    The association that needs to be hammered home is that H’arman has demonstrated that there are no moral or ethical limits on what she will do to advance herself or interests which she represents.

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    Back1woodsman says:

    Surely more actual ‘ hands on ‘ kiddy fiddling was done under Enver Hodges’ watch ? Another case known about but avoided by the msm.

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    jgm2 says:

    Okay. It’s a loophole. But the context and examples show what she was trying to achieve.

    And I don’t think it was to provide a loophole for kiddy po*rn.

    Your mileage may vary.

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    Stevie Deans says:

    Don’t bother, Unite have already done it for you.

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    Lords Levy and Mandelson says:

    With a heavy dose of corruption

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    Copper Top says:

    Why did Harmen not report them to the police? If I was in charge of a group & pedofiles joined, I would report them to the police, if that failed, I would tell them to fuck off!

    Harmen must resign. Nothing justifies this appalling situation.

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    JH945894343432945 says:

    Why not?

    Bot she and Jaqui Smiff are of the same mould; over-promoted it’s-our-turn-now man-haters who are long overdue a serious comeuppance.

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    non taxable pikey says:

    Worth a look :-)

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    jgm2 says:

    At best the Daily Mail’s ‘smoking gun’ shows that Harman is just a shit lawyer.

    Okay. I’ve done more than enough defending of somebody I instinctively loath for one day.

    Have your fun.

    I just wish the ‘case’ against Harman was more solid than that.

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    Who is Ian Puddick? says:

  122. 122
    The Magic Circle says:

    There is nothing to see there.

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    Bemused says:

    Well it is in the sense that Harriet Harmskids was claiming she thought P I E were vile and she wanted nothing to do with them last night and wouldn’t have dreamt of supporting them, and this is a report for the NCCL written by her on the “Protection of Children Bill” where she is proposing several changes significantly watering down that bill and in fact in one place creating a loophole so large it would mean “anything goes”.

    Like you say she could claim she was so stupid she didn’t know what she was doing…. but she has a BA in Politics and she is a fully qualified lawyer. She would. in any case, be forced to step down from politics if she had to admit she was so stupid she had actively supported P I E by accident.

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    I'm an Aussie bint, me says:

    Pietricia’s silence is er er er deafening.

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    Who was behind the D Notice? says:

    Why did the DM and msm accept a D Notice that clearly had nothing to do with national security?

    Unless kiddy fiddling is now defined as being of “national security” interest

  126. 126
    Anonymous says:

    It were grand and you could buy a nice house for sixpence, them were the days

  127. 127
    As she said before says:

    They know where to find me.

  128. 128
    Prime Minister"Money's no object" Cameron says:

    Hope the Tories put interest rates back up to 15.8% like they did in 1992, made thousands homeless….. they were happy days.

    Hear ! Hear !

    Vote Tory !

  129. 129
    Harridan Harpic says:

    Jack as me to do it ‘Pro Boner’

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    Fight says:

  131. 131
    The Guardian says:

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    Bemused says:

    She is either:-

    1] Monumentally stupid and incompetent, despite being a fully qualified lawyer


    2] Deliberately trying, on behalf of P I E, to introduced loopholes to a Bill designed to protect children

    She’s too arrogant by half to admit to [1], so my guess is she will wrap herself in all manner of lies trying to dispute [2]

  133. 133
    Anonymous says:

    Am I being paranoid in thinking that every politician is a habitual liar?

  134. 134
    Edna in Clapham says:

    A leftie admitting they are wrong! Now come on, they just don’t ever do that.

    Cowards to the last – no integrity or backbone or idea of fair play.

    Life’s born losers – the lot of them.

    But you’re absolutely right – Harman must flee public life and retire gracefully (if that’s at all possible).

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    Tory Boy says:

  136. 136
    The Great British public says:

    David Hamiltom photographed nubile teenage girls for years

    And the photos were and still are regarded as very artistic

    So why all this fuss about nothing

    Hatty never supported kiddly fiddling

    So stop your hysteria and acting like a bunch of vindictive adolescents,,..

    PS there is NOTHING new in this story

  137. 137
    Shut up arsehole says:

  138. 138
    Politicus says:

    It’s right to ask about the DM’s worrying tendency to include images of girls “looking all grown up”.

    But that doesn’t excuse Harman, Dromey and Hewitt from explaining what they know about the PIE and all that.

  139. 139
    Yep says:

  140. 140
    Anonymous says:

    Jack Dromey looks like an Irish Republican terrorist.

  141. 141
    Old Labour voter says:

    I bought my council house thanks to the Tories. I never voted Labour again. They found a lot of nig-nogs to vote for them instead.

  142. 142
    Casual Observer 7 says:

    The context and examples do not really bear that out.

    It would have very much facilitated the freedom to record and distribute images of what is now rightly considered child abuse.

    All she was trying to achieve in any case was an advancement of her own career. Her short time at NCCL was for that alone.

    As a lawyer she would have understood the ramifications of what she was writing, and she was perhaps writing what the P.I.E. had asked her to, rather then her own thoughts on the matter.

    But it has her name on it, the organization she worked for at the time were affiliated with the P.I.E., and she is still standing by it.

    If she wins this argument, the P.I.E. have just won.

    As it stands at present: Labour are demonstrably the party which support child abuse.

  143. 143
    Rimlicker says:

    …err whose balls would they be?

  144. 144
    The real Great British Public and not some Labour activist trying to keep a lid on things says:

    We are making our feelings apparent on the Daily Mail website and elsewhere.

    Harriet is doomed.

  145. 145
    Luisa Zissman says:

    Fancy a cup cake?

  146. 146
    Harriet says:

    Thanks Jack

  147. 147
    Eat your heart out Rupert says:

    I’m off to buy the Daily Mail now to encourage them to dig a little more!

  148. 148
    Margaret Hodge says:

    You haf be understandink zat I vos a German, and zerefore only followink orders!

  149. 149
    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    Why is no one saying the real truth? The reason PIE was allowed to affiliate and promote itself was because of the left’s obsession with homosexuality.

    Even today if you Google the Guardian and age of consent the majority of stories involve campaigners who are homosexual who want the age of consent lowered or abolished. Google it yourself.

    The media, politics and the performing arts are dominated by homosexuals who are obsessed with shagging little boys and the left don’t see it as a problem.

  150. 150
    Double Anonymous says:

    …crossed with John Peel.

    Speaking of which…

  151. 151
    Guido Fawkes says:

    I sense this may not meet universal agreement but I find myself sometimes thinking fondly of Piers Morgan.

  152. 152
    Old geezer says:

    Not quite. My parents’ London house (4 bedroom) cost £1500.

  153. 153
    Harriet Harman says:

    Don’t look over there…look over here!

    The ultimate ad hominem.

  154. 154
    The Critic says:

    May I quote Stephen green from Christian Voice:

    ‘It is timely that the ghosts of the 1970′s past should come back to haunt these three leading Labour Party politicians. Harriet Harman, Jack Dromey and Patricia Hewitt were in their mid- or late-twenties at the time, but that cannot really excuse the way NCCL came to regard paedophiles as an oppressed minority whose civil liberties needed to be fought for.

    ‘All three of them really need to explain why they were so friendly toward so many campaigning homosexual paedophiles in their youth. Why did they allow the NCCL gay rights sub-committee to be stuffed with them? Why were they happy to work with paedophilia supporters on the NCCL Executive? It cannot have been sympathy with child-molestation, so was it a complete lack of judgment or was it moral cowardice?

    ‘NCCL has now been rebranded as ‘Liberty’ and is doing great work standing up to the Government to defend the civil liberties of us all. But thirty years ago some rather peculiar things went on, and I think we should be told why.’

  155. 155
    Jeremy Clarkson says:

    Me too…being shot in front of his family!

  156. 156
    Ed (Too Fat must Fast for Flat Waistline) Balls says:

    JIm’ll Fix It for Hypocritical Harperson!!

  157. 157
    Jez says:

    Maybe Harman will apologise for not doing anything about the Paedofile Information Exchange when the Daily Mail apologises for its enthusiastic support for Adolf Hitler

  158. 158
    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Moreover, the P.I.E. did not infiltrate the gay movement, but were a major section of it which was rejected by gays who did not feel attraction to kids, and who find those who do abhorrent.

  159. 159
    Anonymous says:

    Why have Liberty done this? Hope they don’t start destroying stuff.

  160. 160
    i don't need no doctor says:

    Harriet Harman must be made to eat Humble PIE.

  161. 161
    Hurryit Hymen says:

    All part of the full rainbow of political experience

  162. 162
    Sigmund Freud says:

    You need medical help.

  163. 163
    Nobody (in Safe Mode) says:

    CO7’s public conflation of the argument point is what is driving mad Hattie off in the worst direction possible. This literally could be a career ender for her if she does not deal with it correctly and it will over-shadow everything written and discussed about her in the future. So far it does not look good.

    The issue raised by jgm2, whilst interesting and valid, may not apply if one looks into the motivating source for this document and find that PIE were the instigators of part of it or took part in the discussions which lead to its creation. Their involvement would have tainted the development of this, given their purposes.

    Bemused is almost certainly correct in his first point and may also be correct in his second. They are not mutually exclusive.

  164. 164
    whippet says:

    Read all 8 pages it advocates lowering the age of consent to 14 and introduces a loophole that makes sexual activity with children as young as 10 legal.
    This is the evidence that is being studiously avoided by the BBC in it’s cover up.

  165. 165
  166. 166
    Not all glisters on the net is real says:

    Evidence of a D-notice? None. Newspapers can ignore them anyway, especially if there is no obvious national security problem.

    Operation Ore investigated well over half the people that were listed – some of the names couldn’t be investigated for practical reasons (no real name given, no credit card details etc). All the top people have already been done – Chris Langham and Pete Townsend etc. There were rumours of MPsinvolved but the newspapers subsequently claimed that the lists leaked to them did not include any MPs.

  167. 167
    South7eventh says:

    Private Eye was eating the PIE filling for a number of years in the 70s and 80s and bringing up what appeared then to be a turgid string of stories. Of course this was the era of Looney Left, Michael Foot as Labour leader, Derek Hatton, Arthur Scargill and Red Robbo wrecking British Leyland

    One vein of stories about the madness of Labour politics was no different from any number of other topics.

    The next edition of the Eye may be very interesting.

  168. 168
    The 4th Estate is in a Right State says:

    Bear in mind that none of these newspaper can afford to employ real investigative reporters anymore. Only the Guardian and the BBC can afford to do that.

  169. 169
    whippet says:

    Yes they are focusing on 1 page out of the 8. What about the paragraphs on the age of consent.

    Wasn’t 10 or even 14 considered too young even then?

  170. 170
    Anonymous says:

    Some people wanted lighter sentences for p aedos only caught in possession but didn’t make.


  171. 171
    M102 says:

    Just googled her. F’ucking hell that is a big unit.

  172. 172
    The 4th Estate is in a Right State says:

    I vaguely remember a “World in Acton” report on some of these P I E characters back in the 80s I think.

  173. 173
    FrankFisher says:


    Something else no one is talking about is the exact parallel in the US, where the ACLU was pressured by NAMBLA into taking the same positions as the NCCL was by PIE, and just as with PIE, NAMBLA began as an offshoot from gay rights movements.

    The association of paedophilia with homosexuality is no accident. Back in the 70s both were seen as persecuted sexualities that the ‘old order’ would soon need to accept, hence their embrace by leftie civil liberties orgs.

    In Harriet’s defence, she was one of thousands of useful idiots.

  174. 174
    Anonymous says:

    so he may have been the filling in somebody pie

  175. 175
    Will says:

    Zoe Williams article defending Harriet being lambasted how long before comments are closed and article archived,

    How many members of pie served prison sentences for acts against young boys !!!. Also if the cps can take all the stars of the 70,s to court for historic offences why should pie activities get a free pass

  176. 176
    Sans culotte says:

    Dear old Hattie – never has anything to apologise for, no moral compass, always trying to defend the indefensible (remember her attempts in the run-up to the last election?). On this issue she has come up with the feeblest defence yet. She’s a disgrace.

  177. 177
    Oy! says:

    You are not German – you are a four b’two.

  178. 178
    Screeching Earl Snitch says:

    New Labour legislation classified everybody up to 18 as a child for the purposes of “indecent images” of “children” (beware of possessing old newspapers with pics of a teen Sam Fox ); they passed a law criminalizing unreal “indecent” images of children (drawings, cartoons, doodles..whatever – which apparently have a chronological age – up to 18). They passed a law criminalizing lots of fantasy images of adult “violent porn” – their attack on “the BDSM community” – this is the law Cameroid is adding fictional rape images to. They were on their way to outlawing all “paying for sex” too, just at the point they were chucked out (their unrestricted immigration policy, leading to the creation of a significant new sex trafficking problem in England, will give them the excuse to ban “buying sex” when Milibean ousts Lord Snooty). Whatever nasty connections the loathsome Hattie Hatemen and co’s former employers had back in the day, NuLabour’s old commie gang were mad keen to enact legislation the Mail positively gags for – some like the adult images one, utterly idiotic, and quite incompatible with their own ‘uman rights act. The only sexuality the hard left really approves of deep down is the homosexual variety – both parties being “equal” and one not “dominant” (so reasons the deranged and authoritarian mind of the egalitarian obsessive).

  179. 179
    Suzie says:

    Well that’s alright Hatty so long as your telling the truth! NOT!

  180. 180
    Anonymous says:

    This whole Harman expose shows how desperate both the Tories and Labour are to get the media attention away from Nick Clegg’s challange to Nigel Farage & UKIP.

    They know Calamity Clegg as a representive of the LibLabCon pro EU position, is going to lose the debate and get a right old kicking from UKIP / Nigel.

  181. 181
    anonymouse says:

    I don’t think the Guardian can afford anything.

  182. 182
    It's not a surprise though, is it says:

    Peel was a self confessed nonse.

  183. 183
    socialist dribble and slug says:

    since they started swapping the cocktail numbers… can I borrow your lacy one harriet ? .. of course jack as long as I can use your barbed wire one

  184. 184
    Sarah knows best.. says:

    it certainly shut gordon up

  185. 185
    The Man Who Came In From The All Woman Shortlist says:

    I seem to remember Dromey was the Treasurer for the Labour Party who had ‘no idea’ that hundreds of thousands of pounds in dodgy donations were swishing through the party accounts. The man couldnt lie straight in bed.

  186. 186
    Max Cliffords press office says:

    We usually write most of the Daily Mails output for them.

  187. 187
    The National Socialist Party says:

    Well the public seem to think we were far right even with a name like ours.

  188. 188
    Keitho says:

    If you think that sneering apology for the left wing establishment will have any content that is interesting you have been lunching at the wrong clubs. Hyslop is the defender of all things left even when you think he isn’t.

  189. 189
    Xavier Onassis says:

    It’s impossible for Mrs Harperson and Jack Drongo to be in the wrong – everybody should realize they are infallible.

  190. 190
    What is it about these lefties that require them to be arrogant says:

    Thornberry is another dimwit with an education. Her pompous smug arrogance makes Diane Abbot look humble.

  191. 191
    I'm not so easily duped by Labour acitivists pointing fingers elsewhere says:

    Harman – still alive

    Supporters of Adolf Hitler at Daily Mail – all dead.

  192. 192
    Keitho says:

    Nice one Centurion.

  193. 193
    Keitho says:

    Oh stop it!

    We all hate Harriet Harman and she needs burning without delay. If this helps to shake the scaffolding that props up Labour then I am totally for it but remember the fable of the Boy Who Cried Wolf.

  194. 194
    MandyPickleSniffer says:

    I wonder if Harriet Harpoon has a landing strip or an amazon jungle… And yes, it is a relevant question!

  195. 195
    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    The bloke they interviewed on the BBC news said as much (Christian Wolmar) that he was one of those who opposed PIE but he said they attached themselves to the NCCL for legitimacy and the NCCL were more than happy to accept them.

  196. 196
    Cop Shop says:

    Am I missing something here? Why did no one at the NCCL shop these nasty predators to the police? With the exception of social workers & prison officers, who in their right mind wants to work with or affiliate themselves to these nasty predators? Harman, Dromey & Hewitt must be investigated. Why is there no internal investigation forthcoming from the Labour Party? These allegations are too severe to ignore. Harman, Dromey & Hewitt must be suspended from the Labour Party until an investigation is conducted & concluded.

  197. 197
    A Modern Day Witch Hunt says:

    Whatever you may think about Harriet Harman one thing is true, she is a thoroughly decent person.

    The truth of the matter is that the Daily Mail, a paper which supported the Nazis, has conflated its two favourite subjects; women hating and negative campaigning in an attempt to libel Harriet Harman.

    It is immoral for The Daily Mail to use the subject of abuse to score cheap political points. The Daily Mail has achieved possibly the most disgusting and perverse negative campaigning witnessed in modern British politics.

    And the compliant silence of the Conservative Party regarding this libel is deafening and reflects very poorly upon the party and proves it is not fit to govern.

  198. 198
    The BBC says:

    We have decided not to do news programmes from now on.

    If you want something to watch, we are doing a lovely re-run of Dad’s Army on our channel 2.

    Not much for £3.75 billion a year, did someone say?

  199. 199
    Harman is a creepy, heartless monster says:

    Harman must apologise and resign. She is a heartless monster who will accept anything nasty in order to climb the career ladder? Working with an organisation that was affiliated to, funded and supports child predators? What planet is she on? Planet Monster! She will never survive this & she may as well resign. Good riddance to the Creepy bitch!

  200. 200
  201. 201
    t'Owen Jones (t=twat) says:

    We need a Witch Hunt! The Liebour PIE three are the witches of Macbeth!!

  202. 202
    Sick of the greed and lies (still) says:

    It said on radio 4 news tonight that Ed stands 0 behind Harriet. Maybe to use her as a human shield!

  203. 203
    Big D says:

    And we now have the Miliband supporting the hag .
    Dont these people have any moral values .
    Surprised she isnt using the old one about ” I was only following orders ”
    If this had been a group of tories Miliband and that woman would have ( along with the BBC ) been demanding their heads on plates .
    What a load of two faced hypocrites .

  204. 204
    A monster in the Labour Party. says:

    Well done Daily Mail for exposing the evil bitch!

  205. 205
    Tommy Twp says:

    “This libel”??? Where’s the writ then??

  206. 206
    Tommy Twp says:

    Libel n. to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others.

  207. 207
    MagicFlute says:

    Just bare arms? couldn’t we go a bit further than that.

  208. 208
    Blowing Whistles says:

    The reason the tory’s remained silent during the reign of terror is because – they were ‘neutered’ into silence the New Labour Projectmen having uncovered who all the pa3dos in the tory party were.

    This is a statement made on behalf of the public – who wants both the Tory party and the Labour party ‘disbanded. As for the libdems they’re fucked anyway.

  209. 209
    Blowing Whistles says:

    A judiciary that is riven with its own corruption and infested with its own kiddy fiddlers – They’re independent of the Public Interest – ONLY.

    Think Judicial Tyranny and Bob’s your Uncle Joe Stalin and his string pullers.

  210. 210
    Big D says:

    If the DM is making all this story up then take them to court Ms Harman and lets have the whole sorry tale played out in public including the full facts details and names of anyone you dealt with or advised from PIE .

  211. 211
    Cinna says:

    Sounds like the gruesome twosome would approve of that marriage.

  212. 212
    Cinna says:

    Yep. Typical leftie double standards.

  213. 213
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Ian Huntley started out on his course of depravity oop North around Hull. Networks anybody?

  214. 214
    Helpful says:

    Although HH’s name is on the document she probably didn’t put it together on her own. What typically happens is that the consultation document is circulated internally to interested parties and a request for comments made. After that a draft document would be put together and circulated for further comments. It is likely that a meeting of the interested parties would be held for the final version to be signed off. HH’s name may be on the document and she may have been responsible for its submission but it could be that substance of the document was dictated by others. It would be very interesting to find out the who else was involved with the drafting of the document and the process it went through before the final version was signed off.

  215. 215
    Cinna says:

    So, sue away.

  216. 216
    Cinna says:

    He may have had a narrow escape then.

  217. 217
    stushie says:

    The self serving cant served up by HP today will put many off voting Labour excepting tribalists,benefit scroungers & the swill troughers .God help us if this Laborite shower get back in.We’ll be drilled, bored & reamed.

  218. 218
    Cinna says:

    It certainly can’t afford to upset the BBC.

  219. 219
    Cinna says:

    That’d be a Patten, then.

  220. 220
    Court of Public Opinion says:


  221. 221
    Jack Dromey says:

    I am a true liberal minded individual, not only do I like Big Black C**** but little ones too (LBCs). So there. And I don’t care to explain or apologize.

  222. 222
    Cinna says:

    What a mug to sign off on it then.

  223. 223
    Helpful says:

    Standard practice for the legal officer to make the submission.

  224. 224
    Owen Jones is Frightened of Me says:

    Jgm2, it claims that children as young as 14 wont be harmed by being in pornography and therefor thinks it should be allowed. It’s not about family photos, the phrase used is photos of ‘sexual situations’.

  225. 225
    Timney says:

    Looks like you’ve got your hands full, Jack, just like I did and got caught out.
    Were your vids on expenses too?

  226. 226
    Jowell says:

    I, um, think that, um, Harriet, um, has behaved, um, impeccably.

  227. 227
    Jumbo says:

    Come back Bernard Manning

  228. 228
    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    In her heyday Hattie was quite a dish, you wonder how she ended with gay black porn ‘liker’ Dromney

  229. 229

    Many will agree with you, we need a decent return on our savings.

  230. 230
    She also said this before pleading guilty says:

    I refute that allegation.

  231. 231
    Idiot watch says:

    Shapps is no more than a sixth former.

  232. 232
    The Marxist agenda explained says:

    Of course they were as their whole agenda involved dismantling the old and bringing in a new world order. Thus anything which was ‘different’ was acceptable and welcomed as part of the cultural revolution no questions asked.

  233. 233
    Dimwit watch says:

    Zoe Williams is a dimwit as well.

  234. 234
    Jimmy says:

    So basically you spent a week quotemining and this was the best you could find.

    The Daily Hitler would spike this.

  235. 235
    Osama the Nazarene says:


  236. 236
    Erinvolk says:

    Not really. The Daily Heil editorial staff follow in the footsteps of their Nazi-supporting predecessors.

  237. 237
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    Andrew Pierce claimed on some channel today that the Mail have a load of documents from the NCCL so expect more revelations. This explains Hattie’s strange reaction in giving the Newsnight interview and beyond. She’s not quite sure what the Mail have on her.

  238. 238
    The Pig says:

    Did he abuse our kiddies?

  239. 239
    Jack Dromey says:

    We used to go swinging, I’ve tried to blot out the time we swapped with Mrs&Mrs Prescott by trawling gay porn ever since.

  240. 240
    Ex-Labour says:

    Quite a lot of what is badly and madly wrong with Labour is here in this story and with these particular scumbags.

    All the hectoring nannying little laws, all full of moralistic cant and using warped false evidence from friendly think-tanks: smoking ban, AGW lies and lie-based taxes, snooping, peecee-think, all the time bossing the little people about with those supercilious better-than-thou facial expressions and appeals to moral high virtue, so eagerly lapped up by mugs mugging it on QT.

    Well, suck on it Harpersons. Suck on it Hewitt you repugnant boil on humanity.

    The cultural marxism show has been rumbled. Will any of you vile criminal leeches dare show your evil visages in front of the idiot masses again? Fucking suck on it.

  241. 241
    Ex-Labour says:

    No moral values one’s granny would recognise, no.

    They are twisted. And dangerous, for they believe in themselves and their sick ideology 100% and have many ways of galvanising the stupid to their side.

  242. 242
    Ex-Labour says:

    Your moral values and/or judgements mean nothing to her. Nothing at all. She craves only the approval of those she deems worthy, so that’s the commoners out.

  243. 243
    Ex-Labour says:

    Tip of the ‘berg.

  244. 244
    Ex-Labour says:

    That’s it.

  245. 245
    Ex-Labour says:

    Looks like a wanker.

  246. 246
    Ex-Labour says:

    No, retirement is too graceful.

    These three specimens have, between them, wrought great damage on our land. Justice demands punishment and unrelenting ridicule.

  247. 247
    Ex-Labour says:

    I think it’s more a matter of timing. This stuff surrounding the high-profile pervs has been around ages on the blogs but the DM will be delivering unto little Milli-Minor fucking Junior a shitstorm of their sordid pasts and twisted agendas for the next year or so.

    And they’re gonna feel all their peecee fucking bullying wrapped up and condensed and shoved right back in their Lenin-loving faces.

  248. 248
    Ex-Labour says:

    Jacqui’s just along for the ride. A general, not the fuhrette. Less evil than 88.

  249. 249
    Ex-Labour says:

    That’s the one.

  250. 250
    Ex-Labour says:

    Leftytruth is whatever lefty writes thinks or regurgitates from his pamphlet.

    Whereas your truth is probably racist so you should probably be ashamed.

  251. 251
    Ex-Labour says:

    Dependent on the sisterhood and any corruption’s fine as it’s all for the cause. Well, Jack’s for the cause and it pays him so if he benefits so does the cause. What an excuse for a man.

  252. 252
    Harriet Harman & Rebekah Brooks says:

    We nevah knew nuffink abaht nuffink

  253. 253
    Ex-Labour says:

    Very wise comrade.

  254. 254

    There are still millions out there who are going to vote for them!!

  255. 255
    Owen Jones Mum says:

    Go to bed Owen

  256. 256
    Mr Geoffrey Dickens says:

    So is Leon Brittan.

  257. 257
    windypops says:

    Yes, lefty airhead bimbo on Sky news press review this morning (Wednesday) defending her to the last drop of spit.

  258. 258
    windypops says:

    If that was an ‘education’ her parents must be very sad at the waste of their money.

  259. 259
    windypops says:

    Yes – and who better than ‘Hacked Off’ to do it?

  260. 260
    windypops says:

    Sounds fun – must pop down the popcorn shop while they still have supplies available.

  261. 261
    Whitestones says:

    Hitler was a Socialist. Fact

  262. 262
    Big D says:

    Did any one else listen to Evan Davis ” interviewing ” Tessa Jowell this morning on Radio 4 ( Wednesday )
    Disgraceful, he allowed her to drone on about how wonderful Harriet really is .
    What was his brief at 8.20am from the BBC ?
    “Dont question her Evan , shes on to prop up Harriet not answer any questions ” .
    The BBC are as bad as the NCCL were.
    Does any one have the complaints tel number for Radio 4 ?

  263. 263
    Frank says:

    of course if it’s in the Guardian it’s filed under Art/Culture


  264. 264
  265. 265
  266. 266
    treetop says:

    It’s all about breeding, poor hattie couldnt help but stick up for them when her dear old uncle Lord Longford was so supportive to Ian Brady and Myra Hindley for their misdemeanours. She could sue of course but meanwhile the ‘court of public opinion’ will form its own guilty verdict if she doesnt apologise.

  267. 267
    Graham says:

    Which Liebour MP is a supporter of the new BBC organisation ? The one which likes Big Black Cocks ? Might be a transvestite.

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