February 22nd, 2014

Saturday Seven Up

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    For justice, start by arresting this c'unt says:

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    Prime Minister"Money's no object" Cameron says:

    Happy 90th birthday Saint Robert Mugabe! A true socialist and anti-imperialist who managed to run the Zimbabwean economy into the ground.

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    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    So it’s fuck all to do with the government?

  4. 4
    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    Both pro- and anti-government activists have been killed in Zimbabwe: their killers need to be brought to justice

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    This is another Labour fuck with blood on his hands says:

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    (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

    Anybody got tickets for the title bout between Nige and Clegg?

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    non taxable pikey says:

    Cap’n Bob, the man who gave Mengistu a place to live out his days. The b’stard finally died of a heart attack in April last year which surprised a lot of people because most of us thought he didn’t have a heart.

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    albacore says:

    Who gives a rat’s arse about Zimbabwe or Venezuela?
    Ain’t you noticed, around here, complexions aren’t getting paler?
    The most treacherous Parliaments this country has ever seen
    Are steeped in breeding out the British – as though they’d never been

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Owen is pushing this as justification for the government murders:


    It is worth a read to get an insight into the mindset of Owen Jones.

    NB – Will notice that it opens on a little diatribe about ‘O’bama’s murderous drone attacks on P’akistan’ :

    i) There has been no US drone activity in Venezuela

    ii) The US drone activity in P’akistan is at the request of the P’akistan government and are not O’bama’s.

    It doesn’t really improve from there, or satisfy what Jones puts in his tweet:

    ‘A bit of important context on the ever-polarised, and polarising, Venezuela’

    The piece is essentially an unsubstantiated attack on the US, based on completely unsubstantiated rumour about what some allege to have happened in the 2002 coup attempt against Chavez, rather than what did happen.

    At best it seeks to justify Venezuela’s actions against its people now based these flimsy arguments.

    It also fails to explain the reasons why the economy in Venezuela has been falling apart which is directly due to Venezuelan government interference over the past 3 years especially.

    Creating a black market for foreign currency by restricting transfers, and creating an artificial shortage in goods like print and toilet paper are further examples of how both the Chavez and then Maduro governments have damaged the Venezuelan economy which has absolutely nothing to do with the actions of external agents.

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    BBC says:

    Putin is horible he doesn’t like gayes and lets help the freedom fighters in Syria, err, thats about it with world news. Nothing more? Nope. So, moving on, today the leader of the labour party Ed Milliband is calling for an enquiry into . . .blah, blah balah.

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    Floretta says:

    Dave, Our Glorious Leader. Thank you for commanding the rain, wind and storms to abate.
    Your Cobra meetings were truly the incisive dynamic actions that were so effective.
    The sight of you striding around in your manly wellies really made me wet my knickers.
    P.S. Can I be your “intern” please. Wink Wink.

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    Cinna says:

    There is a school of thought that holds the Anglo Saxons never “conquered” the Britons and enforced their culture on the indigenous population. The theory goes that they were better breeders and merely outbred them and so absorbed them. It’s reckoned that took as little as 200 years.

    This is all going to end one way.

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    Sunny Dee says:

    Granny shagging whoring semi literate footballer signs 85 million pound deal and Guido commentators don’t raise a squeak!

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    Chris Moyles says:

    Does he sell second hand cars as well?

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    Hypocritical socialist twat watch says:

    After seeing that tweet from that twat I am now convinced socialism is actually so form of sickness. Seriously they just cannot see what they do even with blood running in the gutters.

    Socialism is Evil absolutely evil to the core

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    Hypocritical socialist twat watch says:

    Both pro- and anti-government activists have been killed in Ukraine their killers need to be brought to justice

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    trumpton dribble and slug says:

    yes but only three wheelers for fat ugly fucks like you blubberbut

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    Socialism isn't working boyo says:

    Pic of the week, empty supermarket shelves in Venezuela, a universal symbol of socialism wherever it rears it’s ugly head.

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    Hypocritical socialist twat watch says:

    How quick albacore tries to airbrush out 1997 to 2010 when talking of the most trench ours of Governments. No mention of Lisbon either.

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    Skeleton bob says:

    Scotland will become just the same as Venezuela if it gets independence – but without all its oil.

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    Big daddy says:

    If its like any normal politicians fight it will result in two sin calls and an omission.

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    Ms Beckett aged 17 3/4 says:

    I saw this and i almost cried . i want all footballs dead

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    Skeleton bob says:

    If America is to blame for Venezuela then why is the EU and Russia not to blame for Ukraine?

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    For east Europeans read gyppos .

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    Anonymous says:

    When is Fartbot going to comment. No blacks involved I suppose as they have oil.

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    RICH granny shagging whoring semi literate footballer…….

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    Huntwatch says:

    While millions find their way to their local Food Banks.
    How is this justifiable in the 21st Century?
    I’d ask how MPs managed to sleep at night, but I think we already know the answer to that.

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    Skeleton bob says:

    Spot on.

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    Socialism is ok until you run out of people to shoot says:

    Sky breaking

    Ukraine president has resigned and fucked off with the obligatory bulging suitcases. New Elections 25th May.

    Another socialist achievement then to add to the long list of “achievements”

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    Skeleton bob says:

    And of course when it does go all tits up in National Socialist Scotland it will all be the fault of those pesky English. Nothing changes.

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    Arm Yourselves Now says:

    The time to arm ourselves is now. Whilst the army suffers from cuts we should be training in guerrilla warfare to begin our terror campaign against the British aristocracy. This our nation, never theirs.

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    Soccer suckers says:

    The complete irony in this situation is the less well off attending food banks shell out for hugely expensive tickets to watch the Granny shagging whoring semi literate footballers which in turn allows huge sums to be paid like 85 million pound deal and these same sheepporters don’t raise a squeak!

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    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    The food banks are fuelling an Obesity Crisis.

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    Nurse !!! says:

    Meds not due till after 9am huh?

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    Wat Tyler says:

    We should tax him at 110% or even 150%. And if he doesn’t like it, he can move abroad, like to his preferred destination Barbados, and take that vacuous wife with him.

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    Ed Miiliknobhead says:


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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    An observation about socialist countries and their economic problems, and further evidence to support the ‘socialism doesn’t work’ thesis.

    Gresham’s law is an economic principal which is commonly stated: ‘Bad money dr!ves out good’

    It is actually stated:

    ‘When a government overvalues one type of money and undervalues another, the undervalued money will leave the country or disappear from circulation into hoards, while the overvalued money will flood into circulation.’

    Thier’s law states that: good money would dr!ve bad money out whenever bad money becomes nearly worthless.

    M’undall has suggested that to deal with the reverse case, Gresham’s law should be restated:

    ‘Bad money dr!ves out good if they exchange for the same price.’

    The economies of Z’imbabwe and V’enezuela present interesting test cases for these ideas.

    Both of their governments favour local currency over US$. But people prefer to transact in US$ rather than their local currency.

    This is counter to Gresham given that the governments favour local currency, and effective legal tender laws are in place.

    In the case of Z’imbabwe, where there is obvious hyper-inflation and the local currency by any estimation can be considered worthless, Thier’s law is clearly at work.

    But with the oil backing that the Venezuelan Bolivar has, Venezuela presents a conundrum.

    The only resolution for the apparent paradox is the Venezuelan government’s intervention in attempting to restrict foreign currency purchases. This has led to a very healthy black market for US$, and has damaged the ability for the local market to price either currency properly.

    The Venezuelan government has undermined its own currency.

    A feature of socialist political economies is that they have include no reliable method for allowing the market to determine the price for goods. Many on the left have been trying to convince others that this core problem has been resolved. It of course has not.

    That a major oil producer such as Venezuela is in such dire economic trouble of its own creation is not only astonishing, but the case that socialism simply does not work economically cannot be denied.

    Looking ahead, continuing with the socialist model in the UK, one can only see Sterling further undermined.

    More interestingly though one should consider what will happen with the Euro.

    As this currency continues to lose credibility in Europe, will either Sterling, US$ or even perhaps the R’uble come to replace it as a preferred currency ?

    Restrictions in the Euro already exist (G’reek Euro’s are simply not accepted in many member states, high denomination bank notes have been restricted), so it will not be long until we find out.

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    Keeping track says:

    Are we still talking about footballers or have we now moved on to Blair and Brown and Milliband?

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    Wat Tyler says:

    Have you looked around lately? The ‘welfare’ state is disappearing. People are standing in queues for food. Others can’t pay their energy bills. Single mothers and children being forced into eat or freeze situations. People being forced to move from council homes they have raised their children in because of a fascist ‘Bedroom Tax’. And yet in the midst of this ‘we all in this together’ climate, the wealthy just keep getting wealthier whilst the middle class disappears.

    And then people comment here to express their deep-set concerns over the direction this country is taking, and they are met by people like you who take the first opportunity not to engage them in rational conversation, but to smear their character and put them down for human feelings, which obviously you have little to share

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Most of the bone idle chav scum who use food banks are helping to pay him and other footballers huge salaries by spending their benefits on SKY sports subscriptions,footy tickets and memorabilia.

    This proves that they have plenty of money to buy food and therefore that benefit payments are still way to high.

    It’s time that the benefits cap was reduced to no more than two thirds the minimum wage and food stamps issued instead of cash benefits.

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    Owen jones fucked up diary says:

    Its all the great Satans fault. Socialism is great.

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    Huntwatch says:

    Mr McBoul. My comments may be fanciful and may show a prejudice. But I stand by what I say here. There in the UK people are being deliberately starved while others are shovelling in millions of pounds and for what precisely?
    It is not prejudice it is basic morality. What is happening now in the UK is evil, plain and simple.
    If anyone can not understand this then the situation there has really gone far to far out of control.
    The churches are right and should start saying a lot more on the issue. British politicians are really found wanting.
    Simple plain greed combined which looks to me like an ever encroaching fascist mentality. There is where Britain is now. And it just gets worse!

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    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    If you artificially lower prices below the cost of provision then inevitably you will affect supply.

    Armchair socialist commentators either ignore or don’t understand these fundamental rules of economics.

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    Wat Tyler says:

    No, we’re talking about the gobshite Wayne Rooney.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    But they were due to have elections in 6 months anyway, so all that has been achieved is to bring forward an election by a few months.

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    Skeleton bob says:

    And yet all the poor immigrants are still flocking to this country. Something is definitely wrong with your argument pal. Think about it. The UK has one of the most generous welfare systems in the world. And as a result it is being widely abused.

    And it is the poor who are happily paying money to attend football matches or buy SKY or BT Sports packages who are to blame for Rooney getting so much money.

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    Propaganda 101 says:

    No – He has left K’iev and has gone to another city which is safer:


    Makes one wonder what could be due to happen in K’iev.

    There is still an election to be fought, and with the images that have been transmitted in the U’kraine it is perhaps not as clear cut as the European media would have you think that it will be a slam dunk for the EU supporters.

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    Graeme Morris commisar for the detached socilist enclave of Easington twinned with Caracas says:

    Yawn long live the revolution

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    JH349849583249030 says:

    No room for a #throughgrittedteeth hashtag Owen?

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    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    Nobody need starve in Britain with the amount of work about and with benefits available for the poor.

    Save your bullshit rhetoric for those so stupid they believe it.

    Some of us have actually travelled and lived overseas. In Africa, Asia and even in some CIS countries I have seen starvation and understand the meaning of the word poverty.

    You are trying to manufacture an image of Britain which simply does not exist for your own purposes.

    You, pal, are evil.

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    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    The bedwetters are up early this morning.

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    Anonymous says:

    Having had experience of Venezuela first hand it is a typical socialist state. Corrupt to the core with government inferring its a workers revolution when it quite simply is no such thing. This country is a typical example very similar to Blair / BRown governments that allow the people at the top who basically have little or no talent to become very rich. Meanwhile the working population is opposes see by the same government and told the other lot keep them that way irrespective of how long the socialists had been in power.

    This is why Labour strongholds in the UK are simply shitholes because they will never change they can’t afford for them to change and becoming in any way affluent. They would make the wrong choices if they did.

    The best example of this is a Govan voter when asked about the recent by election win by Labour by a landslide stated” I’m glad Labour got back in now things will change around here” . He was completely oblivious to the fact the seat had been held by Labour for 54 years. With voters like that in the gene pool then the evils of socialism can easily flourish. Just blame the other side and keep the fiuckwits stuffing the envelopes voting for the red rosetted donkey.

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    Skeleton bob says:

    The country will get far worse if success is penalised because of the kind of blatant jealousy you express. Socialism always fails because it penalises success and rewards failure.

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    Wat Tyler says:

    Yep – Thatcher.

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    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    Who mays more tax to the state in one month than you would do in an entire lifetime.

    Fuck off you parasite.

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    In the case of Venezuela where most purchases have to go through government agencies, if the government decides to stop making certain goods a priority purchase then you also end up with shortage.

    This is how they have been shutting down the printing presses in that country over the past few years, and what is behind the toilet paper shortage.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    It’s high time for a huge tax to be imposed on all church land & property to help pay for a more generous benefits system and for church land/property to be used to house the homeless.

    I’m sure the bishops and all socialists like Owen Jones,Miliband etc would agree :-)

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    Socialism is ok until you run out of people to shoot says: says:

    Well the presidential palace or what ever they call it is empty and the guards gone. Journalists are wandering in and out at will.

    He probely may want to consider finding a better hiding place than saddam or Daffy

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    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    Socialism abhors innovation. Name one thing invention it has produced which makes man’s life better.

    West Germany produced the Merc, the BMW and the Audi.

    East Germany the Trabant.

    Nuff said.

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    Twat Tyler says:

    Which just goes to show the labour fuckwits keep voting for the same thing time over expecting something different


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    JH349849583249030 says:

    If a pro-government militia is roaming the streets looking for people to maim and kill, and a few of them get caught on the wrong side of the crowd, then justice has already been done sonny Jim.

    Violence is not justified just because it is done on behalf of one of your glorious socialist governments.

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    Twat Tyler says:

    There’s no bigger gobshite than me.

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    Little Eva says:

    I prefer the locomotion

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    Anonymous says:

    What is it with this stupid boy? Maybe he will learn the crimes of left wingers one day.

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    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    When that happens it gives the personnel working in those agencies supreme power. A power which they use to their own advantage and start lining their pockets. The socialist elite won’t be starving in Venezuela; you can be sure they’ll have nice tissue paper to wipe their fat arses and no shortage of imported capitalist goods to enjoy in their fenced off villas.

    Seen it all before.

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    Prime Minister"Money's no object" Cameron says:

    Didn’t give a fuck yesterday, don’t give a fuck today, probably won’t give a fuck tomorrow.

    Hear ! Hear !

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    Northern charity welfare benefits sponger. says:

    It is getting harder to laze around on benefits. I’ve had to sell one of my ponies and cut down on drink and drugs. My car is getting expensive and I can only afford 4 holidays abroad this year. It’s so unfair, I can’t wait for the next election so Labour can give me all my money back.

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    White rabbit says:

    A Socialist long march lie trumps the truth in their reality scale.

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    I do not think that is the case at all.

    There are no coherent leaders in the opposition protesters, and by removing himself from the palace it takes the wind out of their sails completely.

    They should now disperse and return home, or perhaps walk into the palace and attempt to claim. The latter cannot happen as they have the elections coming up. The former should happen which ends the violence.

    People in the U’kraine who will be voting are all that matter in this process.

    After having their lives disrupted in K’iev (in what locally has been similar to the London riots for them) and seeing their own government being attacked by a violent minority, those in the U’kraine will have a lot to consider going in to the election, and Y’anukovych returning to his home base to prepare for that will hardly be seen as a retreat.

    Y’anukovych has essentially called an EU referendum.

    However, with the violent pro-EU campaign that has just been fought, the result will likely be negative for the EU.

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    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    Tony Benn never did. Lived in denial all of his pampered life.

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    Mr Nobody says:

    It’s a bit like the early rounds of the FA cup, second-division Clegg against Sunday League Farage. Think I’d rather go down the pub instead.

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Owen naively assumes that there is a functioning justice system in Venezuela.

    There is a system, but it is not what those in the UK would identify as justice, despite the recent best efforts of the CPS and UK Police.

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    Ed Miliband says:

    I’ll waste money ten times faster than you.

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    Wat Tyler says:

    @Mr McBoul – until we find out he’s a tax avoider. Then what?

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    The Elephant in the room is the new N1gger in the woodpile. says:

    The EU is a Socialist project.

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    White rabbit says:

    I believe albacore means the whole generational bunch of them. A guess at the last 20-30 years.

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    Ed Miliband is Crap says:

    Calm down, Nigel. Have another beer.

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    Herr Hitler says:

    The EU is socialism in action.

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Sorry – he does not naively assume.

    He blatantly tries to mislead people who would naively assume…

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    Ed balls always fiscally challenged says:

    You can never beat me

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    Anywhere but Labour. says:

    So the best way to check out the neighbourhood if buying a new house is to see how it votes. The one to avoid at all costs is the one that always votes Labour.

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    Captain Mainwaring says:

    You stupid boy Jones

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    Kebab time says:

    Poor stats Guido xxx

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    Flabarse, says:

    Wacccisstt. You can’t say woodpile

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    White rabbit says:

    I have an old long handled cricket bat from my youth in the garage. I can dig it up if you like !

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    fabians are EVIL says:

    You, Sir, are on to it – only the brain dead, the welsh, and the scotts and sundry other grubby northeners would vote for cripple cock Labour

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    Owain Jones says:

    I don’t do economics.

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    Twat Tyler says:

    He doesn’t get it I’m afraid so brainwashed its sad really

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    Cinna says:

    Pretty much like Blair then.

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    Ha! I was going to make a comment earlier but decided that it was too vexatious. You have now forced my hand.

    I took the headline and tried a substitution: Most Venezuelans have a blind spot on their own country according to JB became:

    Most Britons have a blind spot on their own country…

    It works!

    There was a separate point where I see a great difficulty in equating the reductive nature of a tweet with the seriousness of a two thousand word argument (whether one agrees with it or not). In the modern world it seems the tweet wins.

    As someone said a while ago, I want all tweets dead!

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    In Venezuela you have a triple whammy:

    i) Government imposed price controls.
    ii) Ministry of Commerce, which needs to be engaged for imports.
    iii) The Cadivi agency: Originally set up to ‘regulate’ foreign exchange, but de-facto determines what foreign goods can be imported by companies by restricting the availability of foreign currency.

    – This is all to your point.

    The Venezuelan economy should be strong with its oil production, but it has been deliberately crippled.

    This is why the notion that their major customer, the US, is responsible for the current problems is completely incredible.

    Unless of course, the US itself designed and implemented the form of socialism which we now see turning on itself. The only possible reason for doing that is to prevent the country from developing and hence itself becoming a consumer of its own oil reserves which the US would prefer to see go to export.

    That of course is a conspiracy theory which perhaps should be treated with only slightly less contempt than the political commentary of Owen Jones, and UK Labour’s other Venezuela supporters ;-)

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    Twat Tyler says:

    Go on then inspire us with your wisdom

    You ain’t seen nothing yet if balls gets to No 11

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    Hypocrites on the rise says:

    Can’t see the problem, if a tribe wants to pay loadsa money to someone to kick a ball around who are we to stop them, it’s not as if the same tribes don’t vote for Liebour, you would think they had more sense when it came to money, especially when they need to do their weekly shopping at a food bank and pay for booze and ciggies.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    So Labour are going down the same eco-loony tax bombshell route the Lib Dems are:

    Vote Lib/Lab for higher petrol prices

    Vote Lib/Lab for higher electricity and gas bills

    Vote Lib/Lab for higher council tax

    Vote Lib/Lab for higher income tax

    Bye bye Lib/Lab :-)

  96. 96
    Balls says:

    Neither do I

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    More leftie twisted madness says:

    Similar to the London riots

    Oh do fuck right off. Just another stupid left wing idiot trying to compare this now decently run country. With the murderous socialists regimes of the world

    You are just an utter Cnut

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    @Maqboul: Quite a few inventions which have improved life have been developed by people from socialist countries.

    However, those inventors had to escape to capitalist countries in order to realize, or be enabled to realize, their contribution. They were unable to gain access to the necessary capital under the socialist systems which is why socialism does not produce anything of value.

    Socialism retards development.

    When the reality is looked at it becomes clear that far from handing the means of production to the people it actually denies the people access to the means of production.

    The gross capital mis-allocations which are symptomatic of this are reflected in the : ‘Reward failure, penalize success’ meme.

    Look very carefully at the UK in this context, particularly with the current denial of access to bank loans for business start ups that is in force, and the excessive waste going on in the Q’uango’s.

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    Cinna says:

    Tell me about it :(

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    Jealousy I'm just a lefty at heart says:

    Whats up!, an ordinary young lad from a Liverpool working background gets on and gets paid a fortune, you lefties should be pleased about the lad, instead your insanely jealous of him, your a sad sad git

  101. 101

    Contrarian bastard that I am, I have just picked Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus from the shelves and found that the first eleven declarative statements are capable of fitting into a tweet (OK a bit of cheating on the last one…) but it hits a brick wall at 2.0121.

    Naturally, it is much easier to do in English than in German.

    After this point it gets successively difficult but, of course, it does end on a superb note – in either language:

    7. Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen.


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    SNAFU says:

    I see that all the Lefty Commentators/Activists/Experts are coming out the woodwork trying to convince us that it is a CIA plot that is causing the unrest in Venezuela. Why would the people take to the streets in a Socialist paradise otherwise.

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Not at all – please re-read.

    If you were a resident of K’iev over the past few weeks, how would you have perceived the effect of the demonstrations that have been ongoing ?

    You should understand that the demonstrators were not all residents – many came in from around the country, and they represent very much a minority view.

    The London riots shut down business for a few days, caused serious disruption to residents, and were generally not well received.

    That is the parallel being drawn.

    If the UK was truly that well run, then the 7% or so drop in GDP seen in 2008, followed by the riots a few years later would not have happened. All of that was caused directly by Labour.

    But this is not the point of the comparison in this case.

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    FTFFoff says:

    Yes, hang the bosses of the shitstirrers who were sent there to cause trouble.
    Do the same with the bosses of the scum causing trouble in Ukraine, Syria and everywhere else, while you are at it.

  105. 105
    Tony Benn says:

    Tony Benn does not believe Tony Benn.

  106. 106
    Ben Brogan says:

    Thanks for my 15 minutes of fame Guido

    It is wonderful being assistant chief bottle washer on a sinking ship

    Do you think I should move to Sark?

  107. 107
    FTFFoff says:

    Israelis are at the forefront of the Ukrainian troubles, actually.

  108. 108
    Anne says:

    Vote Tory

    Double national debt

    Promote gay marriage

    Keep immigration up

    Keep the highest deficit of G8 countries

    Quite an achievement

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    No news all is well says:

    England is now safe, the media are now not being seen wading in the floods and we now have no COBRA meetings, so the floods must have abated and the soil has now dried enough for the plants to grow, the rivers have now gone down from being dangerous swollen rivers to meandering streams and all the flooded houses have now dried out, 24 hours sees a long time for these news companies, Ukraine is an EU setup and Britain should stay out of it, the floods are actual and help is still needed.

  110. 110
    SNAFU says:

    While the EU is patting itself on the back for the apparent collapse of the present Ukraine government they’ve opened a can of worms. The Crimea will break away from the Ukraine, they are very close to Russia and will request aid/help from Putin. Putin will give it even if it includes sending in the tanks.

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    Yep. It’s a shame there going to win in 2015 — all down to Bumsex Dave

  112. 112
    Never underestimate the overall gullibility of large swathes of the electorate says:

    In fact for the majority of “core Labour” voters NOTHING will change if Labour and Miliband is elected in May 2015. there are areas in the Midlands(naming no names)that are basically shit holes;have always been shit holes and will remain shit holes and who have consistently returned Labour councils and Labour MPs for decades despite them doing nothing for them. No redevelopment;no jobs;more immigrants to take what few jobs there are for the unskilled poorly educated indigenous locals leaving failing schools

    Even the matter of benefits cuts and the so called bedroom tax….NOTHING will change in May 2015 for the majority of Labour supporters but they are too thick to realise.The Guardianistas and Beeboids will still live their nice cossetted middle class metropolitan lives in Primrose Hill and the like whilst the millionares on the Labour front bench will continue to con their core vote that they actually care about them once they’ve got their vote…..

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    Fundamentals says:

    Britain has just clocked up its biggest current account deficit in history

    The Eurozone has a lage current account surplus

    It is £ sterling that is likely to crash not the Euro

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    The ‘Tweet’ does appear to serve the same purpose as the headline from a propaganda perspective.
    Joe Emersberger was born in 1966 in Windsor, Ontario, Canada where he currently lives and works. He is an engineer and a member of the Canadian Auto Workers (CAW) union.

    Nearly all of us have a blind spot to that.

    But then the blog article which Jone’s has dragged up is from just a random guy with an agenda:

    ‘J’oe E’mersberger was born in 1966 in Windsor, Ontario, Canada where he currently lives and works. He is an engineer and a member of the Canadian Auto Workers (CAW) union.’

    So, Owen Jones is now having to resort to the disturbed mind of a Canadian loony left ‘nobody’ (heavily Fabian by the way) to justify the murderous actions of a government which he supports.

    W’indsor O’ntario I can assure you is a total god-foresaken sh!thole.

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    Lies more lies,spin and more spin says:

    Vote Liebour and whitewash 13 years of total destruction of a country.
    ps replace Vote Tory with Vote Liebour

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Sorry – cut and paste fail in last post :-)

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    jgm2 says:

    S*i*n*n-F*e*i*n logic. The good ol’ I*R*A would blow up a shopping centre and kill a few shopers and somebody would door-step J*e*r*r*y A*d*ams and ask him how, the fuck, did he justify that and he’d, without fail give it:

    ‘What we have to remember is there are victims on all sides blah blah Battle of the Boyne blah blah….’

    Same weaseling from Owen.

    He’s a c*u*n*t. Like J*e*r*r*y.

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    As opposed to Brecqhou?

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    sorry “They’re” — with apologies to duty pedant who must be on a pee break

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    jgm2 says:

    I grew up in Birmingham and left 30 years ago. We had one b*l*a*c*k kid out of 90 in the leaving year. Now more than 50% of kids in primary school are 1st generation immigrants (b*l*a*c*k and A*s*i*a*n).

    A city of 1 million, the cradle of the industrial revolution, wiped out in a single generation.

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    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? says:

    Problem is with internet now nothing ever goes away, so they can’t get away or rewrite history with another con job of bankrupting themselves and then begging to join the Union so the English would bail them out and then blaming us for all their woes once admitted to said union and bailed out.

    The wee neds won’t be able to tell the rest of the world porky pies and tall tales this time around.

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    dave the Gays' Lover says:

    Excuse me — I’ve done more than just promote gay sex marriage — I’ve legalised it.

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    jgm2 says:

    He pays 45% tax. You should be fucking delighted he’s getting so much money.

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    Joe Public II says:

    It’s not possible to Vote Tory while Dave’s in charge. The option just doesn’t exist. Those that purport to be Tories are ConDemmers.

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    Jeremiah says:

    Maybe Tony Benn actually truely believed in what he did and his beliefs, unlike a lot of present day politicos eg B’Liar (he in fact was a Tory family and upbringing public school, money grubbing, he was the first former public school boy since Douglas Home to become PM) Very rarely in British politics do the lower classes rise to the top. The so called middle class especially the upper middle class have taken over from the nobs, except possibly with a little exception of Dave and Gideon, who are sort of nobs (now then), through history every revolution has been start by the middle class but have failed without the backing of the masses.

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    Ellie-Mae (9) says:

    Barclay Bros

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    Educashun says:

    …Is it Tony Blair?

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    Your first point was just the same subject over the breakfast table here! Twitter must be the place where sub-eds wish to find themselves in the next life. (Sorry, Leon Pilpel, you were exceptional!)

    Your downer on Canada, whilst understandable, might even turn your sights back to eastern Europe again. :-) The amount of American culture which has come from those parts is colossal. C&W and folk music in particular. But also art and classical music. When I travel to places, I tend to see them through two sets of eyes. What they are now (few places stand up well on that analysis) and what they once were, sometimes at more than one epoch.

    Back to your point, I was reading the article and considering who it criticised and my reaction was: A curse on both your houses.

    You clearly have a much stronger stomach for this stuff than do I! ;-)

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    Skeleton bob says:

    And if it is all USA’s fault (didn’t we have that moronic nonsense from Gordon Brown) then what does it say about that lefty, Obama?

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    Fundamentals says:

    + 1000

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    Village Idiot says:

    … The Young ones,apparently,do very little ball or tin can kicking in the street and show little interest in football today; I have nothing to back this up,but heard it on the radio!..If true,football may price itself to decline,(I hope)….It is the fanatics,(other names available) that pay to watch,and ,merchandising,along with tv that seems to justify these amounts of pay!

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    Skeleton bob says:

    That’s the big danger when you get lots of countries allying together. It can cause wars. WW1 and WW2 are good examples.

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    jgm2 says:

    Single mothers and children being forced into eat or freeze situations


    Spend the money on food instead of booze, fags and lottery tickets and wear an extra jumper.

    ‘Eat or freeze’. My arse.

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    Fundamentals says:


    The Russian speaking East will also remain in the Russian sphere of influence

    Which includes one of the granaries of Europe and 90% of the interesting industries

    Watch what the Oligarchs do now…

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    Moley says:

    The Scottish “Yes” Campaign has been defeated by the bombshell revelation that;

    Alex Salmond, Scotland’s first minister, has been warned that, if it opts for secession, Scotland might not be allowed to enter the Eurovision Song Contest.

    (From the Mail)


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    Yes, Ellie-Mae.

    In their little pseudo-castle there.

    Only yesterday I stated that they may have become bored. Look at their other investments over the last few years. It fits a certain pattern of people who have much money but little vision.

    For good or evil, I have had some direct experience of these types.

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    jgm2 says:

    If I remember rightly the Russians still have their Black Sea fleet based in Sevastopol. They don’t want that falling into enemy hands.

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    Jack says:

    The best thing to do is to divide Ukraine

    Otherwise we will start seeing ethnic cleansing like in Yugo and Ysrael

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    Jack says:


    Do you mean we will be deprived of koke fuelled skirted gay Jock singers?

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    There was a story put out by !ran’s PressTV about this, which was picked up by IBT:


    Depends on how credible you consider PressTV – it has not been picked up by the main news wires and isn’t properly confirmed.

    There may be some truth, but without confirmation it does not really pass the credibility test. Kind of down there with the nutbar US / EU Z’!onist theories.

    What cannot be denied is that U’kraine remains a deeply anti-sem!tic country, yet is the location of much that is important in J’ewish history, and happens to be a place where !srael sources prostitutes from. (See people-trafficking reports)

    There are about 104k J’ews and 450k M’uslim’s (C’rimean T’artars mainly) in U’kraine.

    One should be aware of this problem which exists out there:


    Before jumping on the anti-!srael band-wagon ;-)

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    Chuckabrick says:

    He doesn’t mean it. He is dishonest. He is on the side of Maduro.

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    Bob says:

    Should read

    Have too much money for their own good

    They look increasingly like The Citizen Kane Brothers

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    Scotland nil points says:

    Hells bells, getting thrown out of the Eurocrap song contest, Scots will cry, jump up and down and self flagellate themselves over that decision, the NO tossers seem to have reach more than the bottom of a bucket but dug a hole underneath it, LOL

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    pedant says:


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    Simon Cowell says:

    I prefer Lebedev and the Indy

    At leat he has done his community service in Moscow for lamping some other oligarch on live TV

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    Chuck it in says:

    I presume that works for England as well, if they throw Scotland out, bring it on, the people of the country will be most upset.

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    Strategist says:

    They can easily move it to Sochi if they have to

    Funny that…

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    Chris Moyles aka Arthur Daley says:

    Nice little earner.

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    Fly on the wall says:

    As I said in the last thread (but you were all still probably asleep and missed it:

    Fly on the wall says:
    February 22, 2014 at 7:34 am

    Much of this will depend on-

    – where the debate is to be held
    – how long it is to last
    – who the moderator is
    – by whom and how the audience (and moderator) is selected
    – day/evening of the week in which it is to be held
    – which tv and radio stations will be permitted to broadcast it
    – how widely advance publicity of the debate will be disseminated
    – etc etc

    If this is to be just another QT-lite, then I for one won’t bother to watch

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    Ring the changes says:

    I thought Russia passed the Crimea over to Ukraine to look after even though it’s mostly Russian, would have thought even for the EU dictatorship that area would be verboten.

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    Strategist says:

    If the truth be told

    The financial crash was caused by casino bankers in New York and the Cesspit City who benefited from a total lack of regulation

    Thanks to Clinton, Bush, Blair and Brown

    You will note that Clinton and Blair have made huge personal fortunes from the banksters

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    Excalibur says:

    Sickness benefit tests firm pulls out of £500million contract after death threats to staff

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565297/Sickness-benefit-tests-firm-pulls-500million-contract-death-threats-staff.html#ixzz2u2vIVhkz
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    Can we then please have the Services running the thing properly if the gayers cannot.

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    Cinna says:

    Working class lad get on and makes a fortune ! In the twisted mind of a leftie he ceases to become working class and becomes part of the hated middle-class. Completely beyond the pale.

  155. 155
    Excalibur says:

    A’t’os pulling out, let’s have the Services in then, bit of muscle in the process please Dave. Start with White Dee.

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    Village Idiot says:

    ….When will this declining country get leadership again,leadership,rudderless ship,tossed in an eu sea of corruption and unreachable democracy,or, dictatorship as I recognise it.?
    …..Please,conservative mps’,wake up,do what is in Britains interest,with a heart!…I fear deaf ears and la la la la noises!….Oh well, UKIP it is,no choice!

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    JH349849583249030 says:

    Birmingham will be our Detroit.

    There will be a ‘post-industrial decline blah blah’ narrative, but we all know what will actually cause the city to turn in to one big slum.

    It doesn’t matter how many fanciful buildings they put up either. They look fucking stupid.

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    Fly on the wall says:

    Just as a matter of interest, what is the weekly/monthly reduction for this so-called bedroom tax? When we know this we can assess whether such a sum would make all that difference to the average benefits recipient. Might lose a packet or two of fags and a six pack of lager, but …..

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    Ric Holden CCHQ says:


    We found out last week that half of Tory money in the last quarter came from donors who have had private dinners with David Cameron and Tory ministers.

    We can’t let a few Tory donors buy this election.

    The only thing worse than another 15 months of David Cameron? Waking up on 8 May 2015 to another five years.

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    Reality Cheque says:

    The fat bird seems to have enough non depressive periods now, ie about 35 hours per week TV time, to be given a brush job.

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    I feel fubarred etc ... says:

    here here..

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    lazarus says:

    I hope to work for the new contractors, my successes to date should not be underestimated.

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    Money tree at the ready says:

    I think the questions that should be asked, is it against the law and is he a BBC lefty hypocrite, if both are yes then send him down, if it’s not against the law and he’s a BBC lefty hypocrite then send him down, if it’s not against the law and he’s not a BBC lefty hypocrite then good on him he’s found a legit way to save money.

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    The good bit of culture you mention from the East you will find predominantly in the US.

    What many people do not see or understand is that the image of the US being the great Satan, the majority of h’olocaust denial, the nastier side of anti-semit!c propaganda etc. sources from Canada.

    This may be a proxy for the UK, but that notion I do find somewhat incredible.

    Other than the economic differences between the two countries, the main reason for this cultural difference can be summed up thus:

    The US did not allow people from Eastern Europe in without them being vetted first. Particularly, J’ews from R’uss!a and folk from E’ast G’ermany, R’omania and the other ex-Soviet satellites. I am talking from the end of WWII to present.

    One of the significant differences is that the US denies visas to those with criminal records, and those who were involved in acts of genocide or were members of the NSDAP.

    (Excluding to a degree those with money, which is slightly different)

    The Fabian influence in Canada cannot be ignored either.

    If you get a chance to do some research on this you will get a clearer picture on what is sounding to this point like a BW rant. Name check the W’indsor ‘nobody’ also. (No dis BW)

    The cultural M’arxism problems which are undermining US society at present have mainly entered via Canada. The real Z’!o-loony stuff is also to be found lurking there.

    That what some consider to be a leading political commentator on the left, Owen Jones, has to resort to such people to try and shore up his case demonstrates just how weak a case he has.

    He perhaps should have G’oogled for some better material before sending that tweet out ;-)

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    I feel fubarred etc ... says:

    Does he really pay at 45%? Many of these people have arrangements to have the bulk of their salaries paid offshore – and way way way outside the claws of the EU, so I would not be surprised if Rooney’s arrangements are any different. The alternative of course is to pay “after tax” salaries, so the club foot the tax bill as well. MU fans paying huge sums of money to watch thickies kick a ball about for 90 minutes must really have been dropped on their heads when they were babies. Same goes for most of the other teams too – especially as most of them are made up of foreigners anyway!

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    jgm2 says:

    ‘If the truth be told

    The financial crash was caused by casino bankers in New York and the Cesspit City who benefited from a total lack of regulation’

    That’s Brown’s version of ‘the truth’.

    The actual truth is that Post 9*11 the US govt, in order to deprive the religion of peace of a recession in the immediate aftermath, flooded the US with printed money. they literally sent people cash in the post to boost the economy. They also employed a million or more security and military using borrowed money and generally flooded the US with printed cash.

    Every body felt richer and so took on bigger loans and mortgages.

    Gordon Brown pointed to the US and justified his deficit spending as ‘well, if they’re going to do it then I’m going to do it’.

    The banks simply took their cue from the behaviour of their governments.

    And that’s the truth.

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    The value of bedroom tax is:

    i) Propaganda to the left
    ii) An excuse for the left’s supporters to not bother paying their rent.

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    Lefty Ricky the non wonder boy/girl says:

    We should ask the Ed’s the same question or has the whitewash already been painted on, now who gave Liebour the shares in the company, what was the rumour tax deductible for the company, you should really tell them, put their names next to Liebour and people like me won’t buy their products.

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Credit Swaps also enabled banks to issue bad loans in the belief that there would be no consequences for them.

    Fine until the US decided not to let AIG blow up after Lehman’s was allowed to collapse.

    No one was in the right, but there were more debtors than bankers who are eligible to vote.

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    jgm2 says:

    I wouldn’t blame the b*l*a*c*k*s and A*s*i*a*n*s for Birmingham’s industrial decline. The natives, with the help and guidance of their union leaders, managed that all by themselves.

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    I feel fubarred etc ... says:

    Have you enquired about training courses at your local mosque?

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    Judge Dreadful says:

    So Owen, you want to put the socialist president of Venezuela on trial for murder. Great idea. Which court?

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    And Whitechaple

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    jgm2 says:

    but there were more debtors than bankers who are eligible to vote

    That’s also the truth.

    All these c*u*n*t*s swanning about the place blaming the banks yet they’ve had five years of record low interest rates to pay off the fucking ludicrous mo*rt*ga*ge that they, personally, went to the bank to beg for the money.

    All those c*u*n*t*s blaming banks for lending too much money to stupid people when, were it not for record low interest rates to keep them able to afford their mo*rt*ga*ge they’d be revealed as one of the stupid ones who borrowed too much.

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    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    I think it safe to assume Rooney will be paying a shitload of tax. The taxman will have a pretty good idea of how much he earns and although, if he has any sense at all, he should have a decent accountant who can minimise his tax bill, the lad will be making a huge contribution to the Exchequer.

    I feel a touch of envy that he has so much money coming in for working one day a week but I do not resent it unlike some of the mingebags on here who do. Probably Liverpool supporters.

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    Mr Sensible says:

    Both parties are engaged in criminal enterprises which subvert democracy.

    The organisations should both be prescribed and their members should all be banned from holding public office for the term of the next Parliament.

    That’ll learn ‘em.

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    jgm2 says:

    ‘The only thing worse than another 15 months of David Cameron? Waking up on 8 May 2015 to another five years.’

    Oh yeah. Because 5 more years of Cameron would be so much worse than 5 years of Ed Balls trying to spend his way out of deficit. Because that worked so well the last time he tried it.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    Shouldn’t the taxing parasites be going after those who ‘advised’ moyles and others or is there something / someone (a group) / some area of financial trickery where they do not want to shed too much light upon?

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    Chris Moyles aka Arthur Daley says:

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    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    Don’t believe you.

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    The way of the world says:

    The trouble with undeserved, barely earned millions is they invariably end up being squeezed into these kinds of artificial tax-laundering schemes. Genuine second hand car dealers don’t have these sorts of problems. They tend to use cash.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    With your experience could you tell us who is Radovan Sikorsky The Polish minister married to?

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    Anonymous says:

    Never figured out why Is ray el is allowed to participate unless Europe moved south without anyone noticing

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    The way of the world says:

    He should sue them. Make them pay his tax bill for being so useless. (With a small legal bill to reflect the costs of his own gullability and greed, of course).

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    We KNOW liblabcon are liars.. we can hope UKIP less so. says:

    A few years back I bumped into an old Army acquaintance (his last posting-Hereford) he’s now a biker(Angel) and he knew of chapters that have been stockpiling arms for years. …..

    There’s probably still hope :)
    The castration of the forces means there are an awful lot of semi trained people out there who will look after their own…

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    jeezus says:

    morality cameron

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    The national debt says:

    I see little difference

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    I feel fubarred etc ... says:

    It is verboten – but the EU is run by ignorant thick-headed fukwits, so no surprise that they did not realise the can – no, barrel – of worms they were unlocking. This will not end in a pleasant way for those folk who live there.

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    Boom banga disco kidney banga-longa la la la glitter ball says:

    Not even Is-rael has managed to avoid the Europvison curse. Why should the Scots be so lucky?

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    Anonymous says:

    The only way to catch up was too stop spending entirely. I am sure you would have had quite a bit too say about the nasty Tories depriving the old the sick and the needy oh and don’t forget that parasite White Dee

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    Anonymous says:

    That’s because you is fick

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    Anonymous says:

    And your point is?

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    English correctional services says:

    You mean ‘proscribed’. Prescribing is what doctors do.

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    I think you mean R’adoslaw S’ikorski, Polish Foreign Minister, who is married to A’nne A’pplebaum.

    She has been writing about U’kraine recently in Washington Post:


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    Blowing Whistles says:

    The Israeli’s / zio zits are the main string pullers behind the EU / Kiev agitation – they always operate at arms length always have done save that they are now in full view of people everywhere whom they have manipulated in many situations across the world.

    CO7 – you need to lift your blinkers somewhat and stop being an excuse front for them.

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    Calverson Gerund says:

    Kids today are rarely allowed to go to kick a ball about in the park without adult supervision. Their mummies are terrified of paed-os

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    UK Democracy says:

    No referendum on the EU.
    No say on who runs our country its the elite who choose leaders NOT the people.
    No say on the invasion of our lands via mass immigration.
    People forced to pay for a traitorous BBC that is free to the rest of the world.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    The point is of the ‘silence’ of HMRC to venture past moyles and into the den of the advisers … therein will be 101 legal shysters operating on the fringe of lawfulness.

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    jgm2 says:

    That Cameron isn’t Jesus whereas, presumably, Brown and Balls are.

    I think we’ve identified the problem with bedwetters.

    They really do believe in the impossible.

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    The way of the world says:

    It has been a typical British mild winter. No snow yet and temperatures have barely dropped below freezing.

    I suspect the choice is not between eat and freeze but between eat sensibly at home or go out on the lash and then stuff a kebeb in your gob on the waddle home.

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    Mass Immigration says:

    I see little difference too.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    Madoff – skrewed over his own religious types as well as others – was he operating just shy of the zio loony financial tricksters who are the real bastards hiding behind the biggest financial tricks of all time?

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    Hello! Get real! says:

    The only people in the UK who are ‘being deliberately starved’ have had gastic bands fitted at taxpayers’ expense on the NHS. And supermodels.

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    jgm2 says:

    This doesn’t sound like the fringe of lawlessness. It sounds like the Mega City One of lawlessness.

    Laundering your money through some second-hand car business that didn’t actually require you to sell any second hand cars?

    It sounds about as lawful as VAT carousel fraud.

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    The Fringe of Lawlessness says:

    I do as I say, and not as I do.

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    Herman Van Rompuy of the EUSSR says:

    Red team or Blue team take your pick, it makes little difference to us.

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    Happy Gooner says:

    To get a better government, you need better voters.

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    A Rumour says:

    The protestors in the West are said to have acquired artillery and are heading to Kiev.

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    LibLab says:

    Do you think Dave winning the next election is impossible?

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    jgm2 says:

    No. Dave could still win.

    He is, after all, up against Ed Miliband and Ed Balls.

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    Policy analysis from another bedsit in a different country says:

    The Ukrainians are at the forefront of the Ukrainians’ troubles, just as they are at the forefront of the solution of them.

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    Satan says:

    I blame Gordon Brown

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    Jack says:

    You cannot worship God and Mammom

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    The BBC Bias Unit, headcount 14,263 and rising says:

    Yes, b-but… they’re hideously white in Somerset and… ugh… they’re… heterosexual! Ewwwwww.

    Where is Somerset, anyway? Eh? Outside Zone 1 of the Tube??? Urrrggggghhhh!!!

    Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, Syria, Syria, Egypt, activists, activists, activists…

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    Podiceps says:

    In either language? It’s next to impossible to translate into reasonable English.

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    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? says:

    Problem is with internet now nothing ever goes away, so they can’t get away or rewrite history with another con job of b**krupt**g themselves and then begging to join the Union so the English would bail them out and then blaming us for all their woes once admitted to said union and bailed out.

    The wee neds won’t be able to tell the rest of the world porky pies and tall tales this time around.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    God bothering nutter alert!

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    I will do once I see some actual proof.

    They did drop the ball over Syr!a, but that doesn’t complete the case for U’kraine by any means.

    Check the recent A’pplebaum article I posted up close your S’ikorski comment. Whilst that could be considered carefully crafted propaganda, I would suggest parking that notion for a minute and just consider it at face value.

    Why ? Because she happens to have the right angle (factual) on a number of key issues that have been playing out recently.

    The ethnic U’kraine / R’ussian dimension has been largely ignored by the European media. That is a very important part of this, and will be important in the upcoming election, if that is ever held.

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    Vlad the Loudhailer says:

    Better the Bullingdon Club than P.I.E

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    A thinker says:

    You window lickers keep missing the point

    We are now in a world of Social Darwinism

    Socialism is dead

    Honest or real capitalism combined with the Rule of Law is dead

    Might is right

    Crony capitalism aka gansterism is all that is left

    The rest is just hot air

    PS Perhaps Confucianism will save the world from armageddon

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    Rob Roy says:

    Scotland has already got its loonly politicians in the shape of the SNP.

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    A thinker says:

    The Enlightenment led to Auschwitz

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    Rob Roy says:

    Hasn’t Benn to go to the great collective in the sky yet?

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    rick says:

    Add another +1000 for me – thanks.

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    Never Mind says:

    I’d give up thinking if was you mate.

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    LibLab says:

    ‘could’ he hasn’t yet.

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    Rob Roy says:

    If they ever remake the Dam Busters I wonder what name would be given to Guy Gibson’s dog. Perhaps It will be written out of the script.

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    SNAFU says:

    You cannot worship god and Mammaries.

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    Harriet Harperson says:

    It’s the man’s fault for being a man.


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    F**k the LibLabCon says:

    So that’s what you call him when your indoors, interesting.

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    F**k the LibLabCon says:

    Auschwitz led to the globalist elite.

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    A thinker says:

    Keep sniffing mate

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    C.O.Jones says:

    We would never stoop so low!

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    SNAFU says:

    “Barrister sparks fury after ‘comparing legal aid cuts to the horrors of Nazi Germany'”

    Another legal aid trougher losing it as supply of easy money is cut off.

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    Historian says:

    After Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, their criminal banks, drugs and toxic sub-culture

    It is time to kick the Americans out of Europe once and for all

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    FFS says:

    Tony Benn is yet another narcissist on the left. He began to realise that the more left wing he became the more plaudits he got from the left-wing press and Marxist activists.

    Benn became more left-wing after his attempt to become party leader failed and this particular outlet for his narcissistic tendencies was blocked.

    As is usually the case with narcissists, the way he actually lived his own life was not “in tune with the workers” at all. It is another example of “splitting” common in people with NPD – having one persona in public and another persona in private.

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    Historian says:


    The astounding arrogance of these overpaid legal shysters who think they are entitled to Chelsea tractors on the taxpayer

    They are as bad as benny fiddlers

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    FFS says:

    Hmmm, I think he might actually be that naive. He’s no Ken Livingstone. Ken had a world view that was difficult to challenge without deconstructing the whole left-wing edifice he held in his head. Owen, however, is pretty shallow.

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    The EU seem to have forgotten what happened a few years back in I’ngushetia.

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    Chris Moyles says:

    Does he sell second-hand cars?

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    F**k the LibLabCon says:

    Dave ain’t gonna win in 2015 jgm2.
    I dare say he could if he wanted to but he chooses to ignore the wishes of the majority. Once you except that then you can move on to asking the question why but until then I’m afraid you’re the one believing in fairy-tales.

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    No steps forward 100 steps back says:

    Crony capitalism aka gansterism is all that is left

    Crony capitalism aka gansterism is the left, I think that’s about correct.

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    UN Observer says:

    There is no difference between the right and the left in Britain except for certain sound bytes quickly forgotten

    They even have the same bent Hedgie financial backers FFS

    Rather like the Ukrainian gangster oligarchs currently backing both sides

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    UN Observer says:

    The banks and hedgies funding the right are gangsters as well

    Open your eyes

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    He has been to the country, and is hanging out with the Labour ideologues who are part of the real problem.

    To classify him as naive is tantamount to allowing Jones benefit of the doubt. He knows exactly what the deal is, but is seeking to preserve his own image, and is knowingly misleading his followers who can be considered naive.

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    Jimmy Hill says:

    Man Ure are owned by dodgy yank chancers out to get as much money as they ca. If Rooney negotiates a deal, that’s up to them. If he took peanuts the owners would pocket the difference as they will still look to maximise revenue from Sky.

    The Old Cuckold will in turn charge as much to idiots for Sky as he can. Indirectly it might help Gheedough’s master if footballers are paid less so they might be able to negotiate better deal themselves.

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    Bob says:

    Read Charles Ferguson’s books on the criminal banks

    And he is no leftie…

    And they finance both right and left…

    Behind the scenes power is the name of the game

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    Jimmy Hill says:

    Man Ure are owned by dodgy yank chancers out to get as much money as they ca. If Rooney negotiates a deal, that’s up to them. If he took peanuts the owners would pocket the difference as they will still look to maximise revenue from Sky.

    The Old Cuckold will in turn charge as much to idiots for Sky as he can. Indirectly it might help Gheedough’s master if footballers are paid less so they might be able to negotiate better deal themselves.

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    Mr Sensible says:

    Thank you. It is always reassuring to know that there is someone else on the internet willing to take the effort to read and correct my mistakes.

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    RBS employee says:

    My bank is controlled by the taxpayer

    And it has just announced that 30 000 of us are getting sacked

    It’s not fair

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    Graeme Morris commisar for the detached socilist enclave of Easington twinned with Caracas says:


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    The Archbishop of Spearmint Threadneedle says:

    God created the heaven and the earth, which presumably inlcudes mammon and mammaries. Worship God and all his works and you probably cover most of the bases.

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    Professor Plum says:

    A mate of mine used to play for liverpool fc, I saw some of his pay slips once…just think a ‘normal’ pay slip with a few extra 000’s on the end.

    His basic wages was taxed as normal PAYE…he is/was a ‘normal’ employee ie staff hence if he got a grand a week he was basically paying over half in tax and Ni.. The perks that the big boys get ie boot sponsorship image rights etc are mainly shovelled into offshore tax havens etc.

    My point being is that if Rooney is gettin wages of £300,000 per week HmrC will be getting £150,000 approx per week off him.

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    Scotchland the brave says:

    Who cares about a bank from a foreign country?

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    True, it is difficult to distinguish between his Sachverhalt and his Tatsache but Ogden did a fine task on 7. IMO with “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.”

    Anscombe also was a good interpreter of meaning rather than a strict translator of words.

    As an aside, out of my copy fell a cutting from the Times, dated 27 April 1989, containing the Diary written by Alan Coren.

    Yesterday I bought a new car. It was Wittgenstein’s 100th birthday. I did not, of course – lest logicians among you begin rooting around for distributed middles – buy the car for Wittgenstein, who hasn’t needed a car these 38 years past. I bought it for me. Indeed, even if Wittgenstein were still the holder of a current licence, I should not have bought him a car, because the last time anybody gave him anything he immediately gave it away again, demonstrating that a genius and his money are soon parted. On that occasion it was his father’s fortune, which he doled out to Traki and Rilke to enable them to gobble caviar while versifying. I should not want to see Ted Hughes barrelling around in my shiny new banger. If the Laureate has a fancy for alloy wheels, let him write commercial jingles like everybody else.
    I shall return to the wheels in a bit. If, that is, they are still there. For the moment, you will be burning to know whether there is anything more in the relationship between Wittgenstein and my new car than the mere coincidence of April 26. I am here to serve you right.

    Unfortunately, I have to leave it there!

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    Jack Ketch says:

    Stephen Fry’s draft script of a Dambuster’s remake renamed the pooch “Digger”. When it was pointed out that Flight Lieutenant D. J. Shannon, DFC, RAAF of “A” flight was also called “Digger” the suggestion was made that the name “Trigger” be used instead. Legal officers await a reply from the Estate of Roy Rodgers. A simpler solution was achieved by my neighbour in Johannesburg who ran into a problem a few years ago when people objected to the names of his two Dobermans called “Kaffir” and “Boy”–he renamed them Winnie and Nelson.

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    Gold Top Commander says:

    Does this mean no more biscuits?

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    Anon. says:

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    Do Your Own Reasearch says:

    No idea mate. Your question. You tell me. Or are you too busy beating your wife?

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    Anon. says:

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    FFS says:

    Are you blaming the rich for people starving? What a corrupted view of economics you have found yoursefl with.

    For this to be true the rich would have to be going into your local ASDA and buying up everything just to deprive the poorest of that food.

    That doesn’t happen does it? The farmers work as hard as they can to produce all the food they can and sell all the food they can. Those that refuse to return the same courtesy of hard work back to the farmer will always find themselves struggling to justify why the rest of us keep them alive.

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    John Bellingham says:

    Bl@ck man walks into a pub with a parrot on his shoulder. Barman says “Where did you get that thing?”
    Parrot says, “Lewisham, the place is full of ‘em”.

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    No-one owes a living to a banker says:

    But it is right

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    FFS says:

    There’s always plenty about that can find someone rich they happen to despise.

    But then you say to them “Yeah, but your CD collection is full of albums by Adelle and she’s ferkin loaded thanks to people like you. What’s your position on that”.

    That’s why they always chose footballers for these Marxist rants, because for every MU fan that will support him there will be a hundred that hate him. It’s pure propaganda. Make Adelle or JK Rowling or Alan Sugar the subject and suddenly their position is much harder to justify.

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    C.O.Jones says:

    Is he is trying to compare the Venezuelan protesters with a London gangster?

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    FFS says:

    I can se the problem if you are a Marxist.

    Lots of ordinary people paying small amounts of money each week that ends up making a handful of highly skilled people very rich. That’s outright capitalism and totally undermines the Marxist argument and they know it.

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    Anon. says:

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    The Ferry Lane Arms Traders Association says:

    Mr Jones thinks like a socialist, so he thinks that police should be run personally by politicians who should take every operational decision. (Oddly though, in Venezuela he has yet to admit that the President, personally, is a murderer. Maybe having taken money from him to turn a blingd eye while the Chavistas rigged an election has something to do with this).

    He also thinks that the rule of law is hogwash, so the decision by a court is something that can be ignored when it suits him for polticial reasons.

    He also despises his fellow citizens and therefore does not believe a British jury can come to a just decision based upon consideration of the evidence. Far better that trials are conducted by slogans and tweets.

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    A London Gangster says:

    Yes. I am not very happy about that.

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    Afghanistan Banana Stand says:

    Remake (dir: Peter Jackson) due in 2016. Script by Stephen Fry(!!). Was due to be released this year (‘Hobbit’ franchise has delayed it)

    Guy Gibson’s dog is to be called ‘Digger’

    History must be rewritten so as not to offend those delicate leftys, eh?

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    When attack is not the best form of defence says:

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    FFS says:

    Hmmm, I’m not so sure. Those rioters looked pretty well organised to be taking on the police like that day after day. They will have a leadership, for sure. For some reason we are not being told about it…. (I’m guessing it doesn’t fit the narrative the TV people want to portray).

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    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    I had to take a fire axe to that dump.

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    Afghanistan Banana Stand says:

    Edit: beaten to it by Jack K.

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    Venezuela says:

    This is the style of socialist policing Owen Jones prefers.

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    C.O.Jones says:

    M8, that’s terrible, you must feel brutally scarred and emotionally vulnerable after that.

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    FFS says:

    I notice that our local paintball venue appeaqrs to have morphed into an E D L training camp.

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    Elsie Hargreaves 5 Railway Terrace Dewsbury says:

    Venezuela was so peaceful when that nice Mr Chavez was in charge.

    The country has really gone downhill following his premature death.

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    Barry O'Bumunna says:

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    RomaBob.... working hard for you! says:

    If you are David Hopper the hard working leader of the Durham Miners, I claim my prize!

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    Reason says:

    Don’t bother trying the argue with Owen Jones. He doesn’t beleive in free speech. He will block you when you win the point.

    He doesn’t believe in the rule of law.

    He believes in silencing his opponents, by violent means if necessary.

    He is prepared to take the money of dictators aand is prepared to lie about it if it will further his socialist ideas.

    The man is an utter disgrace.

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    Gone Crabbing says:

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    Tom from Burnham on Sea says:

    I think David Cameron should resign for having increased my tax bill by 28% in three years and for having left me knee deep in water and mud since Christmas.

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    Who will do the kicking ?

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    I want gay sex says:

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    We should have one of these. says:

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    NB: No question mark on Jones’s response.

    Note also: Alex is asking Jones what his beliefs are, whereas Jones has responded by apparently asking (could be rhetorical assertion though) for Alex’s cursory conclusion on a completely different matter which has already been ruled on by a Coroners court.

    Jones is demonstrating that he has not given due consideration to the question.

    Anyone considering him as viable material for a safe seat selection should take note of this. It is not the first time he has demonstrated such gaps.

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    Tom King from Bridgwater says:

    I believe Dave Cameron should be arrested and taken to Conservative HQ in Taunton and hung from an upstairs window.

    I know some here may think this a trifle excessive but after our performance yesterday alongside our EU colleagues when we managed to hang draw and quarter that democratically elected Government in Kiev anything is now possible.

    We are living in dangerous times.

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    A man from Sky news says:

    That woman is bleeding dangerous.

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    If anybody no matter who, can find a way of paying less tax I wish them well , unless they are employed by a statist organisation who advocate EU socialism and constantly rail against torycutz .

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    A Smackhead from Benefits Street says:

    Luckily her health has deteriorated in captivity so she will not be fit enough to return to public life.

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    So does Herman says:

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    RomaBob.... working hard for you! says:

    It is what Barry Obama would have wanted… well done :)

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    Skeleton bob says:

    And how is Tony Blair getting on at the JP Morgan bank?

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    Ah! please complete says:

    Neknominate Owen Jones to………………………………………..

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    RomaBob.... working hard for you! says:

    Bleeding dangerous? FFS keep it clean, we don’t do menstrual cycles here!

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    Ex RBS employee says:

    Did the banks simply “have” to sell hundreds of billions worth of fraudulent bonds?

    Of course not

    But the bankers made billions in bonuses

    The facts cannot be disputed

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    Ah! please complete says:

    Neknomoinate Chuka to…………………………….

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    Skeleton bob says:

    Let us start by kicking the Europeans out of Britain, with their corrupt EU accounts, their dodgy banks, their drugs, their criminals and their toxic laws.

    Vote UKIP.

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    Ah! Ug says:

    Phew Cock !!!!!

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    Nigel Farage says:

    and London.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    To TFoL – ‘Words’ and their meanings are very important; i have pulled many judicial judgments / reports about the use / abuse of words.

    to repeat – when a politician comes out with the words ‘I think’ or ‘I believe’ – the truth of the matter is that they do not fucking damned well know for a fact and are being ambiguous with the actualitae. In other words they are selling the masses a dummy.

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    Go Home then says:

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    to.... says:

    Drink a pint of his own bile

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    John Bellingham says:

    He does not think like a socialist at all. He thinks, or at least talks, like an immature pratt.

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    Ex RBS employee says:

    And John Major at Carlysle FFS?

    He is just more discreet than gangster Blair

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    As you spotted, my cultural references were to the US, mainly Nashville and the Rockies, but extending into every part.

    Don’t forget though that the industrial areas of Detroit and Chicago are also a breeding ground for Marxist thinking (or the laughingly-named progressives), the former city being bang next door to Windsor, Ontario to which you commended my attention but regret I need a slightly better reference to the ‘nobody’. I did not think you meant Edward VIII!

    Trying to do too many things today and will probably end up failing at all of them!

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    Grick Niffin says:

    Hello fellow righties. It feels good to be here amongst my own kind. I get great comfort from reading the comments here every day about jungle bunnies, darkies, 4 by 2s, poofs and disabled scroungers. Together we can unite and exterminate these half blood scum off our streets and keep Britain all white, all right, all straight and all able bodied!

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    They had better not trash this. That would be serious. says:

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    One look tells you all you need to know , she obviously has command of battalions of ruthless marxist thugs ready to kick heads in and machine gun any opposition ,’ today the Crimea’ TOMORROW THE WORLD !!!

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    John Bellingham says:

    I am reminded of the IRA terrorist who justified the killing of innocent women and children with indiscriminate bombings with the argument that in WW2 German civilians were killed by British air raids.

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    FFS says:

    Not to mention the fact that the Ukraine owes Russia billions. Which will leave the EU with a conundrum – can they pay off Ukraine’s debt to Russia but leave Greece’s debt to the EU on the books?

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    DYOR – you have left a key word out of that there ‘beating your wife’ bit; the little word omitted is ‘still’ …

    Plenty of dirt appearing in the dead tree press rags today against the legal-type shysters – fuck me; have some of the media monsters oops moguls started realising that the people won’t be fooled by legalese and twisted rhetoric any more?

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    Jack Ketch says:

    Lost a lot of weight in the clink, didn’t he?

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    Grick Niffin says:

    And please join me in sending best wishes to our good friend and hero Anders Breivik who showed us the way forward.

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    Onion Watch says:

    Owen Jones turns a blind eye when it suits.

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    FFS says:

    Or was he simply a greedy bastard?

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Owen Jones – classic:

    i) Read this:


    – Diatribe blaming America for all of problems of socialist Venezuela from 2012.

    ii) Owen Jones’s latest line of defence:

    The piece is written by D’avid S’milde – a professor with WOLA: The W’ashington O’ffice on L’atin A’merica.


    So – just in case it isn’t clear, Owen who castigates the US for being the evil that was causing Venezuela to fail, also holds up US source to defend the regime killing it’s own people.

    This is not twisted thinking, but knotted.

    Incidentally, this article on WOLA explains how liberal left imperialism is espoused by organizations such as WOLA…


    One should recall with these organizations Blair’s ‘Bring peace and democracy to the middle east’ meme, and what that actually meant.

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    Tom Badwind says:

    ‘Weeds’ Hmmmmmm

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    Hendrik van den Bergh says:

    You are just a Kaffir who has all the shit kicked out of him!

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    Jack says:

    You are very funny

    The Cesspit City and British banks are the most criminal in the world

    Just look at all the fines etc for 5 years now

    London is the money laundering capital of the world

    The City and London are also the koke capital of Europe

    And what do you think about the accounts of RBS HBOS and the other British banks which went belly up

    Not to speak of your totally corrupt political class and press

    Methinks you should clean up your own cesspit first before throwing stones!

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    Mong Watch says:

    See Crown vs. Huhne / Pryce for some recent relevant case law history.

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    Onion Watch says:

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    Village Idiot says:

    ….I,ve got a peashooter and spud gun,and I could probably make a blowpipe of some sort,if pushed! This would be to repel humans,but as regards trapping animals,rabbits,birds and fish,the sky is the limit,i have the knowledge!

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    Thank you CO7 – for responding on behalf of SC. i was in a hurry earlier and apologise for the error – but yes the point has been made. i was in a hurry to go outside and enjoy the weather – ‘cos i do not spend all fucking day behind this screen.

    btw annie get yer gun wrote in her Gilag of an american VP visiting Stalins USSR wherein the VP was fooled and tricked into believing of Stalins wonderful industrial revolution that was ‘working’. Said VP was totally and utterly duped.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    Grammar police – alert ‘Gulag’. i seem to be making unforced spelling errors – strangely.

  331. 331
    Village Idiot says:

    ….Once upon a time,i lived 25miles from the SAS HQ!

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    FFS says:

    It’s having to wake up every day and admit to herself that she’s a fat useless lump of lard which is making here depressed.

    Actually making a worthwhile contribution would allow he to have some self-respect.

    Depression baked into the UK cake thanks to the policies of the Labour Party.

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    FFS says:

    The mod bot is dr!ving me nuts. Sometimes you put together a few words and it puts it into the moderation queue (i.e. the road to nowhere) and you look at what you have written and you can’t imagine what it is the mod bot has picked on.

    Other times you put in a few spaces and hyphens and the modbot doesn’t spot you’ve posted the most extreme rant imaginable.

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    FFS says:

    That’s all very well mate, and I would be on your side, except that I think maybe you are a Labour activist and I recall Gordon Brown doing much the same thing (except nobody wanted to go to this dinners….)

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    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    You are setting me up, so you can make a comment about my legendarily small penis, aren’t you?

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    chriselee says:

    Where is Venezuela and who gives a shit anyway?

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    FFS says:

    Everything in moderation…. and don’t forget communion on Sunday.

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    Let the squirt fade away says:

    Too many of you give that squirt Owen Jones the oxygen of publicity. Who gives a shit what that pint sized prick thinks about anything? He’s never worked a day in his life. He left university and went straight into writing about every subject under the sun without ever having lived in the real world. He recycles tired old socialist claptrap which is only impressive to 15 year olds, Labour voters and fellow morons like Laurie Penny, who also hasn’t worked a day in her life.

    I agree he’s an annoying c-unt but just ignore the fucker and stop posting his tweets. The little shit loves being talked about and loves pissing people off with his Sixth Form level polemics. Just like Freddy Krueger, he gets his power from people taking him seriously. Stop doing that and just like Freddy the wanker will vanish. And hopefully unlike Freddy he won’t come back 7 more times.

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    Will there now be a criminal investigation ? says:

    Re Chris Moyles: How on earth can you be led to believe that a tax return was ‘legal’ if it involved you lying and knowingly providing false information ?

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    Jack Ketch says:

    Dear Bananastand,
    I suppose that Mr Fry will be able to tell the story with conviction from the Tail Gunners’ perspective.

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    Reason number 5 says:

    Easier way of shutting up the schoolboy is to ignore him, don’t comment on him, don’t watch him on tv, pretend his sad existence is just one of those things, it will be seen in the media as popularity and it’s zero, if someone puts something on the comments here, don’t add any comments, it’ll piss the little boy off no end.

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    600 MPs says:

    It’s an easy enough mistake.

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    Mong Watch says:

    The ‘nobody’ is the author of Owen’s suggested article above.

    C’hicago / D’etroit were infiltrated by those of the school of Marx. Being industrial cities that was relatively easy.

    W’indsor has declined as D’etroit has. Most of the industry that was built there was A’merican, and the rest was supplying the US auto sector. As production has declined in D’etroit, so demand from Windsor has also.

    Marxism over there has not exactly been a success story ;-)

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    Will there now be a criminal investigation ? says:

    I should also add that those accountants and lawyers who ran this sçheme should also be prosecuted for advising people to lie on their tax returns.

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Oops – have been borrowing MW’s moniker today also ;-)

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    FFS says:

    I don’t care. They can make all the money they want and piss it all away on sharks in tanks and dubious housemaids.

    I want my life better. That means better policing, a better built environment, less immigration, better healthcare and such.

    For that to happen I need my fellow citizens to start focussing on the real problems we can actually solve without ever referring to the rich, or indeed any other distraction concocted by the conspiracy theorists and Marxists.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    FFS – yes ha was being a greedy bastard – but he didn’t go there alone did he?

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    To CO7 – have copied the annie article and will have a good read and get back to you later.

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    Jones is writing like a 14 year old girl in the Independent and that is probably doing a disservice to 14 year old girls. He starts off with his dogmatic position and then works his way out to the extremes in order to try and justify it.

    (Incidentally, did you notice that picture of Assad raising a glass of wine to Viktor Yanukovych reproduced in a Fisk piece below? :-) )

    You are correct in your judgement but we live in a Twitter-thinking world, as discussed earlier.

    The entire Swans site seems to be down now so will try again later.

    Back to the grind!

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    Silence says:

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    chriselee says:

    Shrodithingies Cat,you really should get out more.Go to a football match,pick up a hooker,vomit in the foodhall at M&S,get your willy out in a shopping mall.
    You will find all of this more rewarding than your pseudo intellectual posts on here.

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    Both sides at once says:

    Just wondering if it will be the Russians or the Chinese that will kick off first, the EU dictatorship is coming from one side and the American socialists from the other.

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    Village Idiot says:

    ….You omitted the House of Lords,which has recently,effectively,denied the people of the United Kingdom, a say on the EU…(bit more to it….but)

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    Someone not falling for weasel words says:

    It wasnt a mistake it was a deliberate lie.

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    OK, Thanks. Will follow that up later.

    The building of the new river bridge there is a hoot too.

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    Benny Fitz-Clements says:



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    Village Idiot says:

    ..Do they have alcohol free wine?

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    CO7 – if the zio zits do not exist and do their stuff in the background – how come Bliar has managed to make himself so rich and avoid being indicted at the ICC?

    e.g. No one individual acting alone could get away with what bliar and his band of nutjobs have. Think about it logically.

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    Which hand is the money in says:

    Open a can of worms, surely not, it’s easier to go after the little people than go after politicians and third rate celebrities or companies owing billions after all they could be future jobs providers for uncivil servants.

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    FFS says:

    Joke isn’t it. People only need legal aid because the lawyers have allowed a legal system to grow like like Topsy, with prices per hour starting at £200 and going up from there. Simple cases are allowed to bring in all manner of matters and drag on for weeks if not months.

    I believe in a system where the prosecution gets one day to present their case, the defence two days and the jury one day to deliberate. Maximum cost to either side should be £1500.

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    John Bellingham says:

    How many of those “advisors” are former HMRC officers now in “private practice”, similar to the dudes who advised Vodaphone? Dave Hartnett’s, former HMRC head of Tax avoidance investigation sits pretty at Deloittes.

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Swans is up – might not be cached in your location so could be slow.

    Or it could be blocked where you are.

    I did notice that Fisk piece – interesting ;-)

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    FFS says:

    I think you will find the drugs come from either South America or Asia, via certain groups with connections with those regions.

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    That's Qualified teachers for you. says:

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    Grick Niffin says:

    Notice how I call you ‘fellow righties’ when our manifesto is basically Labour’s with some ethno-nationalism thrown in.

    Clever eh! The truth is what us lefties say it is. If you don’t like it, just look at Venezuela for what we will do to you…

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    Jabba Le Chat says:

    What’s going on in Venezuela in a nutshell

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    FFS says:

    Sure, but you aren’t actually forced to vote for them nor are you prevcented from standing.

    In reality we have a power vaccum where the people refuse to stop and think about who and why they are electing our politicians and so corruption flourishes.

    It is the electorate that are to blame, not those the take full advantage of the electorate’s willingness to vote for crud.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    Here is a question that some might want to think about on a more local basis

    Who are the Chief Executives (and executive members – unelected of course) of all local councils really beholden to?

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    Ideas just ideas says:

    I thought these people were using Ireland to come through to get to our hospitals, time to put some notices up saying you will pay for health requirements in Britain before you leave your own country, it’s easier to put a till next to the plane and use it as people are boarding if the boarding pass has a health receipt great other they don’t board,

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    FFS says:

    What ever happened to the Duggan campaign?

    Oh I know, it didn’t have any real credibility so the left dropped it like a hot potato and now it’s all forgotten.

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    i don't need no doctor says:

    Owen Jones is a waste of a human being.

  372. 372
    Diane Fatbott says:


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    Eric Hogsperm says:

    Oh no, Owen can argue alright. Like most socialists his view is simply this:-

    1] Killing that stands in the way of socialism = murder

    2] Killing that advances socialism = not murder

    It really is that simple

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    Ed Miliband says:

    I’m still a useless, unelectable twat.

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    i don't need no doctor says:

    Owen Jones is a waste of a human being.

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    ? says:

    Fuck knows. Whenever I write to them they never write back in person and always delegate some lickspittle to do it.

    What I do know is if you are having trouble getting a satisfactory response from the council(any department), find a link to the chief exec and they instantly become focused and responsive, until they realise that the Chief excec is in the clear and they revert back to normal can’t do attitude.

    Why on Earth Dave wants to give local councils more say is beyond me as the corruption at local level makes Westminster look like Kindergarten.

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    FFS says:

    That, unfortunately, was the consequence of the bombing campaign. Opened Pandora’s box. The Americans have been using it ever since to justify appaling high level bombing campaigns when they haven’t actually had the support to engage in a ground offensive. So has everybody else.

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    Someone not falling for weasel words says:

    Personally I have nothing against any scheme which allows anyone to legally avoid paying tax but how can any scheme which advises you to lie on your tax return be considered legal.

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    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    A lot of pundits and politicians still wearing the albatross around their necks,

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    Seems reasonable, considering how he will be treated by the divorce lawyers says:

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    Jim says:


    What?! A mild British Winter?! No snow yet?! I think you will find we have had record snowfalls heading into our 3rd month. Been digging the b*stard stuff long enough.

    It’s only 490cm, nearly 16 FEET deep on the upper slopes at the moment, though….

    For ‘Britain’, try and include all of it in your nonsense assumptions.

    I bet you’re one that talks about global warming too, ignoring the actual facts….

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    John Bellingham says:

    Cost of a birth in Lagos, shit hospital Na 150,000 (£490), good hospital Na 400,000 (£1440) epidural £350 extra–no post-natal care.
    Cost of flight Lagos-London £358.
    The benefit to Britain is that the picannin has a claim to British nationality and therefore Mum, Grandma, brothers, sisters and various Dads may also lodge such a claim ensuring that many hard-working people will be around to become the nuclear physicists, computer scientists, aeronautical engineers and traffic wardens of the future whose taxes will pay for your pension—honest!

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    Al Gore says:

    Amen to that brother

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    I wouldn't sign anything produced by the EU either. says:

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    Right on John says:


    I wish our politicians would admit this as I am sure in a lot of cases they already know.

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    i don't need no doctor says:

    Ummuna, too busy to be an MP.

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    Anonymous says:

    Any member of the public wishing to donate to Batley Food Bank out of the normal opening hours can do so by leaving the food donations at Batley Police Station. The officers there will ensure the donations are taken to the food bank at the next opening

    What about catching villains ?

  389. 389
    Hendrik van den Bergh says:

    But what about the Chews, K-ffir boy?

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    FFS says:

    Piss off. You know full well you are just another socialist preying on the foolish politics of the underclass.

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    Wendi says:

    Me and Carole isn’t grannies.

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    Anonymous says:

    I don’t think any of the above matters much.

    Nigel could debate it in the pub, on a soapbox, QT or on the radio.
    As long as he is allowed to speak it will be very simple to shed some light on how 70% of our laws are set by the EU now.

    Clegg has misjudged this very badly and I can see the pro EU LibLabCon and not just the Lib Dens, all having an absolute disaster.

    As another poster said, this could be one of those moments where things start to change.

    Cast Iron and Ed must be furious that Cleggs narcissistic ego and pride got the better of him on LBC.

    The public are not going to like or believe what Calamity Clegg has to say.

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    SNAFU says:

    Well that’s one way for the plod to cut down on their grocery bills. All the food-bank will get is a couple of tins of catfood plus out of date Tesco beans.

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    Jim says:


    Scotland Inventions/discoveries (only from the top of my head);

    Telephone, Television, Tyres, Roads, The Bicycle, proper Steam engine, Screw propeller, OHV engine, Wire, Gas street lighting, antibiotics, anaesthetics, Insulin, waterproof clothing,Incandescent light bulb, ultrasound, radar, electromagnetic theory, Radio waves, Logarithms, Postage stamp, Encyclopaedia, Bank of England, BBC (sorry), Universal standard time, modern economics etc etc.

    All quite handy in the modern world.

    England Inventions (from the top of my head)

    Morris Dancing, Immigration.

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    FFS says:

    Does it matter? In the end the reality is that Venezuela will fail because socialism can only fail. It seems humans can only learn directly from their own mistakes and never from the mistakes of others.

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    CCHQ says:

    Years of unchecked mass immigration is the fall of Britain. Too overcrowded, too third world. Our MPs should give themselves a bonus for bringing the country down. All we think is trade economy, money. The real damage is done, we will all see this.

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    C Balding says:

    Not whilst I’m here

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    Unless your stoned says:

    One of the most boring pieces of music ever written.

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    FFS says:

    Do what the Russians do – show you have health insurance and money in the bank to pay for any healthcare before you can even apply for a visa.

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    Jeremiah says:

    To put it crudely Puss, could not one say, “Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.” what you do not knowthing of, keep thi gob shut.

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    It will really end in tears when M’aroun buys the road that connects the south end of the bridge to the interstate, and puts a toll booth on that ;-)

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    Stealers Wheels says:

    If you pretend to operate a food bank can you claim back millions in tax ?

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    FFS says:

    Strange then that Bla!r works for JP M0rgan – which doesn’t actually have a connection to the J o o s.

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    Jeremiah says:

    Now how do know he has not done that someyime in his long life, don’t forget he is a Tom cat

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    RomaBob.... working hard for you! says:

    Some mis-guided chap stood at door of my local Tesco this morning collecting for a foodbank and handing out leaflets.

    I suppose it makes him feel better to keep the underclass down and on benefits?

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    Hi Righties! says:

    Why do you hate blacks so much? Simple question, righties! It’s not good enough to just say “Fuck off leftie” or “Fuck off gayer” (gays seem to be your other obsession but we’ll leave that for another time). I’ll have more respect if you’re honest enough to just say you hate them because of their skin colour and/or because you think all blacks are criminals.

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    RomaBob.... working hard for you! says:

    Comes to something when the immigrants want the doors locked now that they are here. If we suggest the place is full, the hard working British tax payer is racist!

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    Mussies and K'oran lovers says:

    We see no difference in blue or red. Both are evil dog loving, pig eating kuffars who should have their heads cut off.

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    JadedJean3 says:

    I’m afraid to say, you are correct.

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    Piss Off says:

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    Maybe she realised that she was wasting her breath, trying to drum knowledge through the thick skulls of the disruptive moronic spawn of the chav benefit classes ,being reduced to a play supervisor while their fat ugly mothers lie around on the sofa all day watching Jeremy Kyle and stuffing their faces with crisps between slugs of Bacardi Breezers.

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    Not all perhaps only about 65% !!

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    White rabbit says:

    Poor effort. Why d’you bother.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    Thanks for mentioning that before i did.

    Right wing comparisons (as you point to na.zis etc) are as ‘below the belt’ as are left wing comparisons (herein and below of O jones and venezula)

    The desperados of the left are the equal and opposite of the desperados of the right.
    They actually ‘need one another to exist’ to keep up the division and thus rule by those who ultimately control their purse strings. Come on you lot out there think about it.

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    Jeremiah says:

    Who is Chris Moyles?

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    FFS says:

    When you se the phrase “blacks” as opposed to “black” you are referring to the entire ethnic group.

    Given that this group commits 20x more crime than the group we call “whites” this is a key consideration in my dislike of that group. Furthemore they are more likely to be at the bottom of the social pile and therefore take disproportionately more tax from me. They have also developed their own faux culture which they use to justify their own racism towards whites.

    As a group, therefore, I consider they serve no useful purpose to my compatriots and simply damage the delicate social fabric of the wide community that would normally encourage feelings of brotherhood and mutual dependence – I don’t feel these things at all towards immigrants and yet I’m expected to act as if I do by the politicians of the left.

    I would, however, point out that my feelings towards an individual black person are based entirely on their behaviour and attitudes and may therefore be very positive. I am racist, but not racially prejudiced.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    it sometimes helps to put in a fucking swear word.

  419. 419
    FAB says:

    She looks like she ought to be on Thunderbirds

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    brown-dog says:

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    Do you expect people to have ‘public ‘ dinners ?

  422. 422
    Green Greeny says:

    We like recycling. This sort of thing is to be encouraged.

  423. 423
    Clint says:

    If you are going to shoot, shoot, don’t talk

  424. 424
    Denis MacShameless says:

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    Reader says:

    I dislike fascists

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    Hi Righties! says:

    Well, at least you gave a full and honest answer.

  427. 427
    Anonymous says:

    Why are there more black people in jail then ?

  428. 428
    Oy vey says:

    Hello Shlomo…how’s the weather in Tel Aviv today?

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    Oh for the days of waiting 6 months for a spark plug says:

    To be fair to the guy, most of those Eastern bloc-made vehicles are pretty near worthless.

  430. 430
    Scallywag says:

  431. 431
    Cinna says:

    Well shove up and give them some room!

  432. 432
    Pricky Vyce says:

    Still got crabs, Chris ?

  433. 433
    Jeremiah says:

    S B “And it is the poor who are happily paying money to attend football matches or buy SKY or BT Sports packages who are to blame for Rooney getting so much money.” that’s correct, you are a clever boy, why don’t IDS and Gideon put a Sky Tax knocking their benfits down same as the “bedroom tax” I am absolutely sure Rupert would think it was the right thing to do.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    FFS – i think the phrase is do a fucking bit more research.

  435. 435
    Cinna says:

    That’ll be the BBC then.

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    Egg-white says:

    Racism isn’t a big issue anymore simply because most people aren’t racist. Some people seem to want there to be a racism issue so that they can play the race card to their advantage. There’s a law against that, and so perhaps it’s time that some of those playing the race card are prosecuted for inciting racial hatred, disturbing the peace, libel, slander and anything else to shut them up and encourage them behave properly?

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    Better off in Tel Aviv there is no chance of being violently assaulted and robbed by misguided alienated afro-carribean youths .

  438. 438

    Nothing gets blocked here! Absolutely nothing. It is like the Wild West right now. Whether or not that will change remains to be seen, now we are in the EU.

    Fascinating quote by Noam Chomsky at the start. It plays to my love of self-referential problems! I have to confess, I love to hear him speak or read his writings. I know they are going to lead me astray and I will suddenly reach a place where I am not in agreement any more but cannot always quite see how he has got me there… This one is easy to spot and plays against himself just as much as it does against his opponents!

    Regarding the article by Michael Barker, I am tempted to view it as a smoke screen. Much of this stuff, I do not have a direct tap into so I am at rather a disadvantage here, but I think I recognise obfuscation when I encounter it.

    It has a smell all of its own…

  439. 439
    White rabbit says:

    I don’t think he ever gives consideration for a difficult question. He almost always supplies a well rehearsed narrative, or as in this instance, asks an unconnected question himself. It’ll take more than 140 characters to expose this tricky little fucker.

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    John Bull says:

    I had a call from 10 Downing street just now, They ask me what I think about coastal waves making the UK a smaller place to live in, I tell them that I’m born and bred in the UK and that they don’t usually take any notice of what the voters say so why ask me. Yes they are right, the UK is getting smaller, but they keep on letting more and more people into it. I’m only saying.

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    Victoria Nuland-Nugelman says:

    Fuck the EU

    We will bomb Ukraine

    And give the remains to our vulture funds

    Thats what gangster neocons do

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    ████ 'changed my tune ' Hoon says:

    Still shagging my ex ??

  443. 443
    Crime Watch says:

    They don’t need empty gestures. Gesture politics such as yours leads to the kind of crap that is going on in Venezuela.

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    Note to ‘n@zis are racists’ brigade – not only were the Arabs ‘N@zi’ Germany’s allies in WWII, but the Japanese were too! Some of the people getting all hot and bothered about ‘r a c i s m’ therefore need to ponder why it was that the Minister for the economy in Germany named Iran as he did, i.e ‘land of the Aryans’.

    If you never wondered whether you have bene misled, perhaps now’s the time to do so. Germany didn’t want a war with Britain in 1939. Who did?

    Which country doesn’t like the Arabs or Iranians today?

  445. 445
    Jim says:

    A weed is merely a plant growing somewhere you don’t want it to.

  446. 446
    Victor Pimchuk says:

    Its a museum

    Not a private collection

    Typical Goebbels like propaganda

  447. 447
    Lee Grasper says:

    Harvard’s Project implicit proved that only white people can be racist.


  448. 448
    John Bercow says:

    Good idea

  449. 449
    Cinna says:

    Would that be the garden variety or….?

  450. 450
    RomaBob.... working hard for you! says:

    MacShameless is such a silly tit!
    Great to have fiddled enough money from the taxpayers to have a misguided social conscience :)

  451. 451
    EU Watch says:

    A new style of EU interference ?

  452. 452

    Interesting conflation of know and no, Jeremiah, lad.

    Tha will go far, at least while five ‘o’clock. ;-)

  453. 453
    Selbourne Walk says:

    Stella Creasy once did that at ASDA in Walthamstow. She sat outside and wanted people to buy tinned food to give to help homeless people.

    I reckon the homeless, if they ever even saw the food, would have found money or some bottles of special brew more welcome. Or maybe even some homes.

    I bet ASDA were grateful for the extra sales.

  454. 454
    Cinna says:

    Lawyers, benefit fiddlers, bankers…all the same.

  455. 455

    Yes. One can see that coming a mile off. :-)

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    Taxpayer says:

    It doesn’t. Worse, from the government’s point of view, it makes people like me want to pay less tax.

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    Blowing Whistles says:

    CO7 – only caught this string of comments later this a’noon. There are plenty of people in Canada and many of them are J’ws who have been throwing the dirt at the Zio zits. Suprisingly NOT – the courts (Shysters inc) in Canada have been oppressing those who dare to speak out which begs the question of – is it the dirty money men (as ever) from the zio backgrounds who are overtly and unlawfully controlling the politicals and judicials?

    Have you got any scruples CO7?

  458. 458
    Jim says:

    £100 quids worth of technology there….

  459. 459
    A Statistician says:

    More than when?

  460. 460
    Prime Minister"Money's no object" Cameron says:

    All 200 staff made redundant at County Londonderry utilities firm http://bbc.in/1l8QG93

    The UK economy has never been stranger,I’m so sorry I meant stronger.

    Go on,have a laugh,vote Tory.

  461. 461
    Blowing Whistles says:

    i have noted your admission to be a contrarian bastard – thank you.

  462. 462
    The way of the world says:

    Clearly, they have never seen a black man trying to catch a taxi in Thailand

  463. 463
    RomaBob.... working hard for you! says:

    That is the fault of the Gov’t. how?

  464. 464
    Giant's Causeway says:

    It is about time we stopped subsidising the Northern Irish.

    One reason they kept the ‘troubles’ going so long was because it was paying them to.

    Far better to built a rail and road link over to Scotland and open the province up to the prosperity that arives with trade and market forces.

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    Jack says:

    This is for BW who follows this story


    It gives a pretty objective indepth analysis of what has been happening in Ukraine for some years

    Not only the “Gas Princess but also Pinchuk, Lazarenko (in jail in the US now) etc

    I wouldn’t like to meet any of them coming out of Loulou’s at 3.00 a.m. (with Tony Blair and Wendi, of course)

  466. 466
    Giant's Causeway says:

    The government has for years allowed large numbers of the Northern Irish (from both religious traditions) to think that all they had to do was whine enough and more cash would be sent their way from the bottomless wallets of the mainland British

  467. 467
    Blowing Whistles says:

    The United Nations – should be disbanded because it is the worlds biggest and most useless fucking quango – follow the money.

  468. 468
    non taxable pikey says:

    The Republic doesn’t want them, why foist them on us. The Social Services bill alone would be enormous.

  469. 469
    White Dee says:

    Food banks are mint innit, means I can spend more of me bennies on fags and weed.

  470. 470


    I don’t mind taking the piss out of myself from time to time.

  471. 471
    Corsair, or just a rough wig says:

    I always get fatty Moyles mixed up with fatty Corden, and then I recall that the latter (age 35)is a good mate of Harry S tyles (age 20)

  472. 472

    Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84 4h

    @WikiGuido Do you think Cameron should resign for the killing of Mark Duggan

    *I have not a clue how to post these tweet things but this really takes the biscuit*

  473. 473
    Blowing Whistles says:

    The shame of it all is that you and i (and plenty of others on here) are not allowed to have our views aired / published in full on the msm or in the printed national papers … but then that would’nt be deemed open, transparent and democratic according to ‘them’ the all in it together – troughers with their suborned monkeys playing to their tunes eh?

  474. 474
    Jack says:

    Israel is the pariah state of the world nowadays

    Just look at the UN votes

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    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Ignore the odd smells – that is just the anti-liberal odour that such political commentary in the US has. It is an odd bouquet to the European nose at first sniff. (Ever tried reading anything in ‘The Federalist’ ?? :-) )

    The point is that WALO is a USAID funded NGO which operates in Latin America. You can draw full conclusions from that.

    I mentioned somewhere else the notion of a completely incredible conspiracy theory, that the Chavez / Maduro government was originally designed and supported by the US, which is why the left’s derision of the US is in many ways absurd and bizarre.

    As Jones has drawn attention to WALO, who themselves seem to be finding many excuses for the actions of the Venezuelan government, and who do have much influence in Washington, this does deserve a closer look.

    If, as a dominant power you only provide or support one type of government, then you will have opposition. The Swans article is simply to point out that in order for an alternative system to be provided, one needs a well funded NGO or two in order to facilitate, and be in a position to co-opt and direct the opposition.

    One of the basic errors people repeatedly make is not realizing that when looking only at one concept, other concepts are naturally ignored.

    Not saying at all that the US is responsible for the current problems, but would suggest that Jones is either unaware or in denial that the socialist dream that was put into Venezuela was put in with subtle US assistance from the outset.

    This is hilarious on some levels, as the left have been very successfully played.

    Foreign policy towards Venezuela will be focused on preventing proper development of the economy in order to minimize the countries own consumption of hydrocarbons, and maximize those hydrocarbons available for export. If exports are down, hydrocarbons are to be conserved – ie. Not produced now.

    A good way to ensure this is to destroy the middle classes, and in particular, wreck the economy.

    The students are dying in order to meet this objective, however, that objective is now reflected in the continuation of socialist policies put in place by Chavez under Maduro.

    This will likely end in a coup, with a new right of centre government brought in which will roll back all current social programs thus eliminating the threat of domestic demand increasing for the next generation, the next generation having had their standards of living significantly decreased from where they are now.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

  476. 476
    Owen Jokes says:

    Everyone should be guaranteed a job, by the Government, on the same salary as Wayne Rooney. We should all be earning £300,000.00 per week. Money is available from the Money Trees, only when Ed Miliband & Ed Balls are in power next year.

  477. 477
    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Cut and paste URL from Twitter, switch from https to http.

    To get the URL, in Twitter click ‘Details’, and cut / paste the URL from the nav-bar works.

  478. 478
    Oh! go on, go on says:

    It’s a private company who contracts to other companies including government works, I don’t see how the hell you can blame the government, when it’s bad managment running the company, can’t you think of blaming fatcher it gets monotonous hearing the same crap blame day after day

  479. 479
    The British media are cunts says:

    Spot on Owen think of all the tax as well can fund billions for the public sector.

  480. 480
    The British media are cunts says:

    The joke is Cameron is worse.

  481. 481


    There is no point in trying to make a fool out of Owen Jones when he does the job so well himself.

  482. 482
    A Wirral West voter who will vote UKIP says:

    Here is another question, why do we need 3 Councillors per ward, surely one would suffice.

  483. 483

    In short, one plays both sides against the middle.

  484. 484
    Cinna says:

    We called them gamekeepers turned poachers.

  485. 485
    The Benn Dynasty says:

    Money is no object for the sincerest socialist event of the whenever

  486. 486

    *No. Still does not work. But I have just about everything switched off*

  487. 487
    Cinna says:

    ENGLISH reacher…Maria Sakkadas…ami missing something here?

  488. 488
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Look at those vampire teeth that have formed to suck the blood from hard working taxpayers :-)

  489. 489
    Cinna says:

    besides a space between “am” and “I”.

  490. 490
    Cinna says:

    Well I can’t get even one to reply to me. Which reminds me I must write and thank the last one I contacted, for his lack of help. Presumably as he is the council (Labour) leader he was far to be busy to reply to someone who has no intention to ever vote for for him.

  491. 491
    Dodgy D. Laws says:



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    When The Times used to be a newspaper^^^^, I had three letters published in the printed edition in one decade, so must confess that I have less cause for complaint than some.

    That is why I acknowledge the great Leon Pilpel from time to time on these pages. He was then the Letters Editor and I could tell he had a twinkle in his eye even though I only ever spoke with him on the phone. A delightful man.

    However I do appreciate what you are saying.

  493. 493
    Peter Green says:

    I think not!

  494. 494
    Victor Pinchuk says:

    There is an association of local council Chief Executives

    It must be a self-appointed self-perpetuating cabal

    Which increases pay pensions and benefits “by joint agreement”

    And then imposes them on the councils

    They also play musical chairs bewteen eachother to get extra “payoffs’

    Another deeply entrenched and self important mafia

    “Who serve the people” FFS

  495. 495
    Cinna says:

    Graham Jones? Pity he’s not Owen’s dad. He could dish out a bit of the same to him.

  496. 496
    Cinna says:

    So I’ve heard.

  497. 497
    Owen Jokes says:

  498. 498
    Deep Fried Monkey Brain says:

    Gosh, haven’t you chaps got anything better to do on a Saturday afternoon.

  499. 499
    Curious says:

    Like they always seem to do.

    I have never signed one of the Left’s petitions, but I notice theese groups seem to have a different ’cause’ every week or so.

    Does anyone in the government ever actually receive the list of gullibles these lefties garner on the ostensible pretence they are trying to persuade the powers that be to do whatever it is they are whinging about?

  500. 500
    Bob says:

    The Russians will turn off the financial tap

    Ukraine will default and the people starve…

    Who can save them then?

  501. 501
    UKIP or bust says:

    Out goes Lenin, in comes Barroso. Neat.

  502. 502
    Zen Alcoholic says:

    Is there any other kind?

  503. 503
    Blowing Whistles says:

    To SC – The Times, The Telegraph and The Guardian have all singlarly refused to print any of the letters that i have been sending them for at least the past ten years – They are the establishment’s organs which attempt to keep up the falsity of there being a balanced democracy in the UK. i have been published in some of the other papers however – and sometimes it took a lot of cunning and guile to ‘get the bastards to actually do it’. The legal world ‘tend to only refer’ to the first three papers i mentioned as is their being herded by the establishment – like sheep being tended and herded from the left to the right as each ‘change over’ happens ever now and again. A neat trick eh – but oh so fucking old?

  504. 504


    When you get this low down the list it is not possible to know who is addressing whom unless you put in an identifier, as I have above.

    I was not ignoring you here and sometimes, in a rush, I forget to do this myself.

  505. 505
    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Yes, if the middle is the consent of the people and you are playing for fairly narrow reasons.

  506. 506
    Abdul the envelope stuffer says:

    How many can you afford?

  507. 507

    My first letter to the Times was written in 1966 (Astor era). I then wrote at least fifty letters over the decades (Thomson era) and was published eventually in the mid 1990s (Your friend’s era ;-) ).

    I asked Leon Pilpel why it had taken so long (using a tongue-in-cheek tone). He said, “Oh, you are lucky! We have people who have been trying without success for much longer than that!”

    On the second occasion when I rang him to confirm that the letter was exclusive to the paper (a standard procedure then), he remembered me. Definitely not bluff as he mentioned that I had queried him the previous time…

    That was two years later which I thought was a remarkable feat of memory and indicated to me how dedicated he was to his role.

    Now, I would not give tuppence to be published by any of them. This is the place to be.

  508. 508
    Climb down from your high horse says:

    And of course you can prove the shit your write? I mean actually prove that MOST folk on welfare are spending their money on SKY and footy tickets? You actually know this for a FACT, right?

    Feel free to provide the proof. On here if you will. Provide direct irrefutable proof or just shut the fuck up. Of course you have never claimed ANY benefits of ANY kind, including child benefit. Nor anyone in your family? And if you have,you have ALWAYS at ALL times spent the money on the what it was meant for?

  509. 509
    Ah! the ultimate insult says:

    ” The dress sense of a female ‘weather’ presenter.”

  510. 510
    Ed (Too Fat must Fast for Flat Waistline) Balls says:

    He’s a boy and a rent one at that I reckon!

  511. 511
    Climb down from your high horse says:

    Well, he could always double the national debt like George and Dave have.

  512. 512

    As a frequent visitor to Africa, you may be surprised to know that I am in broad agreement with what you say, the more especially as your argument develops.

    It should be remembered that there is some pre-selection going on in your identification of blacks. They have either come here or are second or subsequent generation. In these cases they are targeted by the left and, as potential allies to the cause, become hooked on the dependency culture.

    Those who originally travelled often did so to better the lives of their families, so did not fit the paradigm. I would too in such circumstances.

    I also find in Africa a vast number of honest and intelligent people.

    But as an experiment delete ‘black’ from your piece and insert, say, ‘French’. Does it still work in the same way? For me it does, with the slight reservations I expressed.

    If we really believe in libertarianism, we must surely always be prepared to evaluate people as individuals and not just see them in groups (especially in a politicised context). It is a tall order but essential IMO.

  513. 513
    A Smackhead from Benefits Street says:

    But inflation is a device to keep the rich rich because property prices increase and thereby maintain the status quo.

    If asset prices deflate then the real losers are those who have assets in the first place. If you own nothing and are possibly in debt then deflation is your friend.

    Cameron and his kind won’t sit back and let deflation kick in.

  514. 514
  515. 515
    FFS says:

    I’ve done the research. He works for JP Morgan. JP Morgan does not have a connection with the J o o s.

    So, now the ball is in your court. Put up, or shut the fuck up.

  516. 516
    FFS says:

    The Cesspit City and British banks are the most criminal in the world

    Just look at all the fines etc for 5 years now

    London is the money laundering capital of the world

    “The City and London are also the koke capital of Europe” – evidence suggests the problems are in the US, not the UK.

    “And what do you think about the accounts of RBS HBOS and the other British banks which went belly up” – companies go bust, what of it? Plenty went bust in France, Germany and Spain

    “Not to speak of your totally corrupt political class and press” – jeez, take a look at France. You can’t even get to be a politician unless you go to the right schools first – what kind of democracy is that?

    “Methinks you should clean up your own cesspit first before throwing stones!
    ” – sure we need to clean up our cesspit, but we won’t be taking any lessons from the EU.

  517. 517
    FFS says:

    No, I’m guessing they are only looking for recruits to the socialist workers party or whatever.

  518. 518

    CO7, suggest you research “Operation Paperclip”, the US programme for bringing in Nazis from post war Germany who could be useful to the American government. Werner Von Braun, a colonel in the SS when he was developing the V2 programme was one such beneficiary of Operation Paperclip” Of course, at the time he was overseeing the US space programme, his days in the SS were “redacted” in his biographies. Many Nazis who would go on to work for the US government, CIA, etc., were allowed to settle in the ‘States where their unsavoury pasts were whitewashed.

  519. 519
    Anonymous says:


  520. 520

    Climbdown.., why don’t you get off your arse and visit any council sink estate where the majority of inhabitants exist on State Benefits. Count the number of Sky dishes stuck on the sides of their houses. If you actually knock on any door I’m sure you would notice the 40″ and bigger flat screen tellies in the corner of the living room or nailed to the wall. Look out for the computer and laptop which the shirkers use to spread their semi literate inanities via Twitter or Face Book. Even White Dee subscribes to a Virgin and Sky Sports package. She also manages to afford a laptop, how much does a wi-fi contract cost these days?

  521. 521
    Jus' Askin' says:

    Is it just me or is shrodinger’s cat the most boring c**t ever to post comments on this blog?

  522. 522
    FFS says:

    If we were to import them as individuals then perhaps that would be true, but we import them as groups – no filtering goes on, no check is made of their character. Therefore is it reaonable to continue to treat them as one group, especially in those circumstances where an ethnic minority continues to live as a group in the host nation.

    Furthermore, I do not find if I put the word French where I put the word Blacks that I would come to the same conclusion. Blacks commit a staggering 20x more crime than whites (per capita), the French immigrants here do not. The French are not at the bottom of the social pile so they likely contribute as much to the UK state as they take out, and whilst they have their own culture and likely stick together in groups they are unlikely to have children born in Britain that develop an even stronger version of French culture in order to differentiate themselves from the British.

    I note that the one black family I met that were any good came from Barbados and the father was an airline pilot. The family didn’t stay in the UK as they came to the conclusion that life would be better for their kids back home, and of course they were right. Fact is we got left with the dross – most of those that are any good realised that could live like kings back in the Carib. A lot of black women agree with me – black men in the UK are a waste of space.

    But maybe you are right – in Africa maybe it’s a whole different story and they are top notch folk, but the HIV epidemic, the murder rate and so on suggests otherwise.

    Finally, be careful what you advocate in the name of libertarianism. The ethnic minorities that allow their parts of our great cities to become no-go areas for whites have already taken away part of your liberty – and much more to come. You cannot be free in your own culture if a culture from outside insists on imposing itself on yours.

  523. 523
    The Left in Britain says:

    But… but… we love our wanking fantasies about socialism. Why does everyone hate it whenever it jas been tried?

  524. 524
    Dr Mengele says:

    It’s you.


  525. 525
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    I think knot, therefore I am.

  526. 526

    Oh, for F**k’s Sake, Whistles! You’re like a cracked long playing record with your “Big Bad J*w” conspiracy theories. I bet “The Protocols of Zion” is the most thumbed book in your collection, next to your well used copy of “Mein Kampf”. Do us all a favour and give it a rest with obsession with blaming every bad thing that happens on the Heb-r-e-w race.

    You sound more like Julius Streicher with every post.

    And before you accuse me of being a “Zi-o-loon” I was born C of E but am now an atheist with no interest in following any religion.

  527. 527
    Won Ton says:

    No, yours is probably a quite common reaction.

    We will never know how many people have been put off the internet altogether by the dullness of his monomaniacal screeds.

  528. 528
    Ric Holden CCHQ says:

    U K Prime Minister Wanted:

    Experience Not Required

  529. 529
    Andropov says:

    Once the Sochi games are over Comrade Putin will act and if the EU interfere then you will pay a lot in money and many more immigrants flooding your land,remember we have long links with CND in your country and we know who is the Trojan Horse.

  530. 530
    Photosynthesis says:

    …”Weed” is a cannabis plant,growing exactly where you want it!!

  531. 531
    Ex-cons don't belong in Parliament says:

    Ironic, considering the British political class go out of their way to ignore, circumvent and subvert democracy here in the UK.

    Doubt there is anything they could teach Ukrainians, other than new ways to steal off the public perhaps, and of course postal vote rigging. Oh, and how to cover up any high level noncing scandals. They’ve very good at that.

  532. 532
    Cynic says:

    Putin is possibly grateful for the games. They give him an excuse for having done next to nothing. If he had wanted to do anything, he would have done so already. When his hard-liner fantasists urge him to engage in the futile task of persuading the people of the Ukraine to love his moribund oligarchiarate enough to join it. He will then be able to say after the games it is too late.

  533. 533
    Bill de Burger says:

    Must be able to follow instructions at all times.

  534. 534

    Firstly, I do not agree that we import them. Explain what you mean by this? True, Labour encouraged them to come from the sub-continent but they did not fit your description ‘black’.

    There are also problems with the classification where an ethnic minority continues to live as a group in the host nation. If they refuse to learn the language or respect our culture, then that is a strong form. If, for example, they prefer to play their own music, that is a weak form. One needs to know exactly how far this goes in order to evaluate it.

    Your crime figures goes to my point of being “targeted by the left”. Surely, blame attaches as strongly here to the proselytisers?

    My French point is one where I deliberately chose a grouping devoid of race. Had I said “all French are short”, that might have been better in some ways in the sense of can one make generalisations. Naturally, I accept that the French do not make up a large population of our prison cells. It was the contingent nature of the expression rather than the actual one.

    A lot of white men are also a waste of space. Even I have been thus accused by more than one female, I regret to admit!

    I have been to some 20 African countries so there are many more I have not been to. HIV is rampant in parts but not in others. Poverty through bad governance must shoulder most of the blame here. Communism created a more wretched existence than the worst imperialism ever did. The murder rate is high in SA but not unduly so in West Africa.

    It has not taken away my liberty because I emigrated. So I am someone else’s immigrant! I take care to remember that I am a guest but am never apologetic for it. I happily question officialdom if I think they are in the wrong. But my knowledge of EU law is invariably better than theirs.

    But respect for the individual trumps everything in my book. By individual, I mean a law abiding individual. By law, I mean a system that respects the individual in a democratic way.

  535. 535
    EU Watch 2 says:

  536. 536
    Calling the braindead, europe needs you says:

    Bliar, Brown and now Camoron, three in a row, problem is what do we have to follow, the politicians we have now none are PM material, just grabbing greasy pole troughing no descripts, all of the should be on the dole.

  537. 537
    in the real world says:

    I’ve never jetted 12,000 miles anywhere.
    I’ve never travelled first class.
    I didn’t send my kids to private schools.
    I’ve never fiddled my expenses or taxes.
    I object to being lectured by hypocrites.

  538. 538
    The truth says:

    Time the UK government had the balls to call a halt to the Stormont sham.
    The fear of Sinn Fein returning to bombs and bullets in England can’t be allowed to prevent Northern Ireland progressing.

  539. 539
    don't teach your grandmother how to suck says:

    Thanks Owen but I don’t need advice on where
    to find balanced news items.

  540. 540
    The truth says:

    Fuck the Republic. The majority in NI have zero interest in joining that corrupt hole.

  541. 541
    Anonymous says:

    Most people aren’t racist

    Really? I think you’ll find most people in the world outside of white western countries are very ethno-centric. They will instinctively put their own before outsiders, and will think nothing of it.

    It is only gullible western whites that have this naive universalist view that is shared by no one else. If white people don’t look after their own interests like every other racial and ethnic group on the planet, then no one else will.

  542. 542
    that's wishful thinking says:

    Nah-the cover kid looks like he has a personality.

  543. 543
    just asking says:

    Has MacShane repaid the thousands he stole from the taxpayer?

  544. 544
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Wr – you have described exactly how SC has survived many a tricky question on here for the past few years. Distract to summit else and go on the attack. So it works for both those of the left and the right who have their own – contradictions that they cannot deal with.

    i.e. Replace the person spoken of Jones for SC. The content of your comment is thus pertinent to those who have contradicted themselves

    e.g. many a pie follower.

  545. 545
    Prime Minister"Money's no object" Cameron says:

    Twerking is just really important.

  546. 546
    Blowing Whistles says:

    COM – your own comment inverts back on itself. Do re-read it and try and be honest with your world view. btw i know of many decent j’wish people they too know that their religion has been hijacked by more malevolent moneygrubbing people who hide behind them and have particularly for about the past one hundred and seventy years. It ain’t fucking rocket scienc COM.

  547. 547
    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Ukraine may stimulate a confrontation between Russ!a and the US.


    Would O’bama stand down to Russ!a again, as he did with Syr!a ?

  548. 548
    Blowing Whistles says:

    FFS – you really are playing games here. So have some – Read Antony Sutton “Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution”, Morley, 1981, p 41. Happy reading
    p.s. i could post a whole lot more.

  549. 549
    White rabbit says:

    Edward Leigh is a fucking good egg and has the added advantage of going extremely red in the face when angry and has a very good shouty voice. What’s more he’s a natural Conservative in the Conservative party, a rarity.

  550. 550
    koba says:

    Climate change started in 1979, after a period of cooling.

  551. 551
    Heroes Never Die? says:

    I feel the title for another Bond film coming on…

  552. 552
    Why aren't they in prison? says:

  553. 553
    Dr Mengele says:

    Ah, so all the common reactions are wrong and you, uniquely, are right?

    Interesting. Can you send me your newsletter as I may wish to subscribe.

  554. 554
    Ma­q­bo­­ul says:

    Oh dear, oh dear, tat is feeling left out.

  555. 555
    FFS says:

    “Your crime figures goes to my point of being “targeted by the left”. Surely, blame attaches as strongly here to the proselytisers?”

    Are you suggesting that they commit crime because the left encourage them to do so? In that case you would have to explain why they are as likely to commit crime in their own countries well away from the British left, and why the whites exposed to the British left seem less likely to succumb. No, I don’t buy it. The murder rate in Jamaica is 30x higher than in the UK, we imported (on the Windrush and subsequently) a proportion of their citizens having made no attempt at filtering out the bad eggs, et voila we have the crime rate we would expect exactly in proportion to their number. They are unchanged, unmodified, unimproved. Furthermore any attempt made to improve them would be labelled racist by the immigrants themselves, after all it inherently implies white superiority.

    Don’t blame HIV on poverty and bad governance. Plenty of other countries just as poor and badly governed do not have anything like such high HIV rates as the nations of Africa. These figures can be found on Wikipedia – I suggest you check the facts before making political comment based on unsound foundations.

    Of course under the bell curve there is plenty of overlap between whites and blacks, but racism is not about those people 2 standard deviations from the mean. It is about taking the groups as a whole and comparing them, then asking the question “Are whites as a whole superior to blacks?”. I used to believe they were equivalent, but now I realise that was an opinion based on the lies of our leaders. The truth is that by any usual measure (apart from sporting) whites are superior to blacks. Consequently I see no reason why whites should be expected to carry the burden of having blacks that hate them living in their homeland. The experiment was a mistake, and it is time to seek ways to reverse it. Far too many whites have paid the price with their life of having imported murderers in their mist, and without our imported criminals around there would be scope to improve gaol sentences for whites that do commit crime by fourfold.

    Yes, individual black people may be good people, and I have met many of them myself – they can go on being good people in their own homeland. I’m all for it.

  556. 556
    Ma­q­bo­­ul says:

    All invented by dead Scotsmen. The country simply produces nothing now that it has become a wannabe socialist utopia full of glue sniffers and hard left activists. Not even decent footy players like it did in its heyday.

    Good luck on yer own.

  557. 557
    Jack says:

    I posted this above about who the “Gas Princess” really is…


    For you to judge…

  558. 558
    Ma­q­bo­­ul says:

    I thought governments sold bonds, not banks.

  559. 559
    Bitchy bitches says:

    Can someone please explain why some attractive women have such an arrogant attitude about them? Not all of them obviously, but it’s something I’ve observed for many years, whether in clubs, bars or at parties. I can understand having an attitude as a defence against men trying to hit on them, but even if you happen to look in their direction, they react with a vehemence that’s really pathetic. I’m not a Brad Pitt but I’m not a Gordon Brown either. And yet some of these stuck up girls seem to only want the beautiful people in their presence and they react as though you’ve offended them by not being up to their standards and having the audacity to look at them or say hello.

    I sometimes feel like telling some of these bitches that their looks won’t last forever and one day they’ll have wrinkles, crow’s feet and their tits will be by their feet.

  560. 560
    Topical says:

    All I want to know is if the crisis will affect stocks of Chicken Kiev.

  561. 561
    Ma­q­bo­­ul says:

    Someone needs to get out more and travel south of Calais for starters.

  562. 562
    Ma­q­bo­­ul says:

    Salmond will look after you in an independent Scotland.

  563. 563
    One theory says:

    They are nasty to you to keep in line whoever it is they are really after – by treating you mean they keep the object of their desires more keen.

    They may change their tune when they have been dumped a couple of times.

  564. 564
    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? says:

    Women only care about money,lust, social drama and their biological clock.

    If you have ever worked in a office full of women you’ll know i’m right.

  565. 565
    Ma­q­bo­­ul says:

    Kerrist, he would take that minger to Thailand ? That’s not even coals to Newcastle.

  566. 566
    Poland Awaits says:

  567. 567
    FFS says:

    If you want to get a taste of what black culture in Britain is really like, check this out:-


    This is in Bristol, not considered one of Britain’s worst cities and yet ruined by black criminality. This is just up the road from me. I’m sick and tried of seeing and hearing about this sort of thing.

  568. 568
    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? says:

    How did he get a phone in jail?

  569. 569
    Anonymous says:

    The contract between rulers and ruled has long since been trashed.

    The British establishment had better pray there is never a serious external threat to the UK, cos I can not honestly see many native Britons willing to throw their lives away fighting for this balkanised shithole.

  570. 570
    Baby face MacShame says:

    There’s not a jail in the world strong enough to hold Denny MacShane.

  571. 571

    I asked: Firstly, I do not agree that we import them. Explain what you mean by this? You appear to have avoided answering.

    Am I to infer from this that you do not have an answer?

    No. I am not suggesting that they commit crime because the left encourage them to do so. But, by the same token, are you acquitting the left of all blame in encouraging them to do this – when they actually do?

    You are talking about Jamaica. I was talking about Africa. There is a disjunct here, unless you are only concerned with skin impigmentation.

    My comments are not made with any political slant in such an important area of life. Politics is the exact thing we are trying to escape from here! Life and death goes beyond this. I was talking about my, albeit, anecdotal experience from having travelled reasonably extensively in Africa (and all the other continents BTW). I am still naive enough to believe that it broadens the mind and do not mind if you object to that.

    The foundations of my belief that Africa was under the communist yoke (think I have spelled that correctly this time!) are pretty well established but do correct me, if you can.

    OK. You think that black people are intrinsically inferior. We have got there at last! I do not agree with you on that but at least I think you are entitled to hold such a view.

    Some do match up to what is acceptable. You have even met some. Bully!

    Get around England more and become disappointed with so many indigenous white people.

  572. 572
    Ma­q­bo­­ul says:

    Bet he had a raging hard-on with all that self-righteous posturing.

  573. 573

    To your 9:29 pm post, which appeared to me after my last response, I say this:

    No surprises here. I knew Bristol from the late 1960s. It is one of Britain’s shitholes, even though it has a nice cathedral.

    Are you going to condemn almost 20% of the world’s population, 1.033 billion people in an area of 30,221,532 km², on the evidence of one café in Bristol and a Grauniad article?

    Are you?

  574. 574
    Bitchy bitches says:

    Oh, I know that. But I’m taking the sexual/romance issue out of the equation and just talking about their general attitude problem even in a polite social context. For example, on one occasion I went to a party I was invited to by someone who was also going. I didn’t know the party hosts but she did. At the party, I went to say hello to one of the hosts, a tall Italian woman who worked in fashion. My intention was to simply introduce myself and compliment her on the buffet she and her friend had prepared for the party. I barely got past hello before she said she had to go to the kitchen and get something but actually wandered off to talk to someone else. Now, my irritation was two-fold. One was that she may have thought I was about to try and chat her up, which I wasn’t. But that sort of arrogance is to be expected from women like her. Second, she had absolutely no idea about me. For all she knew, I could’ve been a multi-millionaire. Unfortunately, I wasn’t, but she had no idea either way.

    I intend to be rich one day fairly soon and I cannot wait to encounter that sort of reaction again, after which I’ll casually mention my wealth. And when the greedy bitch suddenly changes her attitude, that’s when I’ll have the satisfaction of ignoring the c-unt.

    Luckily, I’m smart enough to know never to get married. No fucking way I’m going to earn lots of money and then see half of it end up in some golddigger’s pockets in a divorce settlement.

  575. 575
    Ma­q­bo­­ul says:

    Who the fuck would want a simpleton’s respect?

  576. 576
    Expat Geordie says:

    The problem with the original “The Dambusters” is that it didn’t play well in America. For it to work now it has to play to the Americans, therefore you have to change the name of the dog.

    Now although 617 Squadron was naturally made up of many different nationalities, including, genuinely, an American, and after the raid a number of Americans served with the squadron (look up the obituary of Nicky Killians DSO in the Telegraph from 2012/13 – can’t remember which), none of the aircrew were bláck. So, the real question is not what will the name of the dog be in this film? It’s not how many Americans will there be? But how many of the characters will be black?

  577. 577


    Has Carol Kirkwood appeared in a porno?

    Please say it’s not true!

  578. 578
    Patriot says:

    I would fight to defend this country, but the price might be high:

    I would not want to do so under the leadership of the current ruling class.
    The hanging of everyone who has been in Parliament in the last two decades and the seizure of all thier property to pay for the war might encourage me, however.

  579. 579
    Onion Watch says:

  580. 580
    Ma­q­bo­­ul says:

    Why would you want to ingratiate yourself with such people? Go find a fat ugly old woman to talk to. Or are you not interested in such types?

  581. 581
    Dreaming just dreaming says:

    Keep the dream, just keep the dream,

  582. 582

    Oh dear BW!

    Unless you are a sockpuppet, I still await your response from January.

    Thankfully I have not been holding my breath.

    And hiding this comment underneath someone else’s post is surely a sign of cowardice.

    And you think Casual Observer is a turncoat.

    Oh dear!

  583. 583
    Anon. says:
  584. 584
    Another theory says:

    Maybe you give off an aura of hostility and unpleasantness your without even knowing it, but it is one that women can sense.

  585. 585
    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? says:

    When most of them hit 27-30’s they are suddenly desperate to find a single bloke with bank account full of wonga to look after them and pop a kid out or bankroll them and someone elses sprog.

    I get single mothers asking me out all the time but unfortunately I do admit the fact I haven’t got it within myself to raise another man’s child, I just could not do it despite how interested in the women I am.

  586. 586
  587. 587
    Jerry Adams says:

    We know where you live

  588. 588
    Gordon Brown says:


  589. 589
    FFS says:

    I give up. I gave a long response to your remarks but it has gone into moderation.

    I think I might have to stop posting here. Recently about 1/3rd of my posts have been caught by the modbot. It’s really not worth the bother of posting here and tearing my hair out trying to get past the modbot. It really isn’t that important.

  590. 590
    Gordon Brown says:

    Oh fuck!


  591. 591
    Expat Geordie says:

    Hello dad. In reply to yesterday’s post, yes, you’ve done a great job.

    In response to the black people in jail thread, and your discourse with FFS, above, I have a minor comment. Several years ago I had a black girlfriend (I’m not ráycíst, I’ll shag anything female unless they are Irish or Polish – they are not called “White Níggérs” for nothing). Her dad came here in the early 1950’s and was a qualified teacher. His brother was a policeman and he came here at about the same time.

    According to her dad, he came over because the British government asked them to come because there was a labour shortage. He ended up on the London Underground, which was a waste of talent for both economies. His policemen brother became a cleaner.

    The problem was that although a lot of talented people came over, the colonial governors used the requirement for labour as an excuse to empty their prisons, in the same way that Castro emptied Cuba’s prisons in the 1970’s and sent them all to Florida. So immigration from the Caribbean was a disaster for everyone – they lost their most talented people, and we got their criminals.

  592. 592
    Rabbi Isaac Abraham Steinberger says:


    You are pissed again

  593. 593
    Rabbi Isaac Abraham Steinberger says:

    You are a pissed c’u’n’t BW

  594. 594
    Rabbi Isaac Abraham Steinberger says:

    Pissed yet again BW. haha!

  595. 595
    i don't need no doctor says:

    You still think it’s made with real chicken?

  596. 596
    Rabbi Isaac Abraham Steinberger says:

    Pissed cu’nt BW

  597. 597
    Expat Geordie says:

    Iranians have always referred to themselves as “Ayrans”. According to an Iranian mate of mine Ayran and Iranian is one and the same thing. Since most Iranians are of a slightly duskier hue than most Germans I think that old Adolf may have cocked up there somewhat.

    Oh, and didn’t the Isráélí Air Force fly combat missions for the Iranians against the Iraqis in 1980 and 1981?

  598. 598
    Rabbi Isaac Abraham Steinberger says:

    Yeah. Fuck off BW you drunken c’un’t!

  599. 599
    Rabbi Isaac Abraham Steinberger says:

    Forget him SC – He is drunk again as always

  600. 600
    White rabbit says:

    There is a bacterial denial infection common to the left. I can’t work out if it’s a natural condition or a political strategy common to Socialists such as Macshane, Owen Jones etc. It’s almost as if the more fantastic the denial of truth and reality, the more determined characters like these two become. In the end, it becomes so unreal and strange that there’s true comedic value.

  601. 601

    This is how we ended up last time.

    You are an interesting person to lock horns with. I am sorry I cannot see your reply.

    But I think you know me by now. If I agree, I will say so. If I disagree, I will also say so.

    The argument is always more important than the personalities.

    Do not give up. Ever!

    Even if I don’t agree with you. Maybe especially so.

  602. 602
    non taxable piley says:

    Vietnam, keep up.

  603. 603
    Expat Geordie says:

    SC, sorry, Dad.

    Since you used to live in Poole (you said Runton Road when I was on here a lot over the Christmas holidays I believe) and Pete, sorry BW lives in Bournemouth, then perhaps the next time that you are in town we could all get together for a drink in The Porterhouse. Iron out a few differences over a few pints of Old Thumper.

  604. 604
    Expat Geordie says:

    Please say that it is!

    And please post a link.

  605. 605

    I think I would be proud to call you my son but, of course, I will deny it – even though I was in the Westbourne area at the time!

    The damnedest thing is that I started off in broad agreement with FFS, as you can see. It then developed into a difference. I felt he might have been saying something without actually saying it so I was keen to smoke it out.

    It is really to do with whether there are universal values, on the one hand, and individual spirit, on the other.

    Politics has always been such a calamitous mess that I would prefer to go back to individual judgement each time. The colour of skin, religion or any other determining factor not connected with some basic honesty simply does not mater IMO.

    I hope you still have fond memories of her. Relationships don’t always last forever but it is nice to look back and get some pleasure from what went before.

  606. 606
    BBC News and Propaganda Unit says:

    We shan’t be including the MoS in any of our
    Sunday paper reviews.

  607. 607


    Have not been back there for some 20 years – but you are on when I do!

    Pete is welcome too, if he wants! :-)

  608. 608
    EU Funded Pro-EU Troll says:

    Vote UKIP

  609. 609
  610. 610
    Anonymous says:

    I thought that with deflation, debt becomes more difficult to service – essentially the opposite to being diminished by inflation.

    Separately, I think high inflation in some areas of the economy such as food, fuel, energy and housing is giving rise to deflation in other areas. Gov inflation figures are utter bullshit in my opinion. I wonder whether deflation in some areas is offsetting against rampant inflation in other areas – how else can it be that ~2% government target is being met?

  611. 611
    Bemused says:

    I tell them I’ve had a vasecotmy. I tell them this the day after I’ve screwed them. Gets rid of them every time. Not right away – you get to have some more hot sex first, but pretty soon they lose interest.

    My theory is that once they realise they can’t get you to make a baby with them, they know they can’t get their claws in you and shaft you later financially.

  612. 612
  613. 613

    I know you said you would shag anything but…

    (Suppose you found out she had Irish and Polish antecedents?) :-)

  614. 614
    Anon. says:

    Not working then?

  615. 615
    Anon. says:


  616. 616
    Bemused says:

    Usually it is to cover up deep seated insecurity. Its a defensive reaction. If you want to get one of these women in bed the best way is to ignore them then let it be known you are unimpressed with them. Let then know you think they are ugly and have an awful personality – they will then jump through hoops to prove otherwise because it’s the only way of regaining self-esteem.

    Another tip – try to avoid letting women know you think they are hot. A woman puts a notch on her bedpost every time she gets proof that a guy thinks she’s hot. Women are not really interested in sex, so the best way to get them into bed is to force them to prove they are hot by going all the way.

  617. 617
    Nice try, but bullshit says:


  618. 618


    Zbigniew Brzezinski:


    Carter was a fucking disaster but ZB sometimes spoke sense.

    *clear cache first unless already a subscriber*

  619. 619

    Meta-irony: Michael Fish warns of climate change.


  620. 620
  621. 621
    The Tony B£air saga is not over says:

    The likes of Jones get off on the antagonized responses to their provocative rhetoric. He has nothing valuable to say and knows he will never be in a stronger position than he is now. The way to disempower him is to stop listening and stop responding. His biggest supporter is the BBC who relentlessly pay him to appear as a lefty rentagob with our money.

  622. 622
    Blowing Whistles says:

    i will reply further here on Sunday when most of you are being taken for a ride by Rupert fucking murdoch. in th eman time research ALACE and SOLACE

    Association of Local Authority Chief Executives.

    Society Of Local Authority Chief Executives.

    of course i have already done my fucking research about the fucking mongrels we have misruling and duping the masses in the little fiefdoms.

  623. 623
    An industrial chemist says:

    Or garlic?

  624. 624
    Expat Geordie says:

    Since she is Scottish then it has probably been, ahem, diluted over time. Whenever I couldn’t be bothered to shave for a few days I noticed that there were ginger patches in the beard. Fortunately I’ve also notice that with age this is the first bit to go grey. The implication is that I have either Scottish and/or Irish ancestors, possibly from the large scale Irish immigration into the north east during the nineteenth century.

    Strange thing happened to me last night. I was approached by a Spanish prostitute near Bournemouth ASDA/Railway Station. As I was carrying a large carrier in one hand, and an 18-pack of Charmin toilet roll in the other I was naturally unavailable for business (which is the actual word that she used). However the fact that she was Spanish was the strange/unusual part.

    A lot of Spanish have arrived in Bournemouth/Poole over the last year or so looking for work, and the HMO’s (Houses of Multiple Occupation) appear to be changing their national profile. A lot of Poles and other Eastern Europeans are not getting their leases extended and are being evicted in favour of the Spanish, as they cause less trouble. My girlfriend’s flat is in a street with several HMO’s in it, and there has been a noticeable change in the languages spoken.

    Draw your own conclusions as to the desirability of this.

  625. 625
    Ban politicians travelling says:

    Never heard of Skype?

  626. 626
    Blowing Whistles says:

    CO7 you almost stated ‘narrowed remit’ – which of course is what the mong Hutton had when he and the bent labour government foisted upon the public as their pitiful attempt to dupe the masses about the murder of a man in the woods near Oxford. it’s all gone fucking pear shaped and blair is the leading legal shyster who ‘will be’ facing the music – contrary to that b/s of in good faith.

  627. 627
    Blowing Whistles says:

    To SC and EG – the sins of their fathers and even their pseudo fathers! you two are bonkers and well wide of the mark … still.

  628. 628
    I recommend says:

    Wipe your knob on her fluffy towels. Always good to leave a mark

  629. 629
    Blowing Whistles says:

    ohhhh ‘get’ you. Fuck of rabbi haven’t you got some kiddies to fiddle?

  630. 630
    Jacobite half-seas over the water says:

    Will alcohol free beer do?

  631. 631
    Blowing Whistles says:

    i note the countering troll is out and about – bit late in the day innit Rabbi

  632. 632
    Jacobite half-seas over the water says:

    The Stuart rightful heir to the throne will look after you in an independent Scotland.

  633. 633
    Expat Geordie says:


    You are right, of course, in your highlighting of local government corruption. However you do spend a lot of time highlighting your local councils, Bournemouth and Poole, which, to be perfectly frank, are rank amateurs in the scheme of things.

    When I had an account with the Bournemouth Echo a few years ago they ran a story whereby Bournemouth Council had won an award alongside six others, including Durham County Council, for council efficiency, or openness, or some such bollocks. Firstly I sprayed my tea over the keyboard in disbelief. Then I emailed a comment on the story to the effect that Bournemouth Borough Council needs to be careful of the company it keeps if it is being compared “favourably” with Durham.

    Within ten minutes the comment was pulled and I received an email stating that my account was closed, and that I should go away and not darken their doors again, or words to that effect.

    And if you want real local government corruption, try the 1987 General Election, where council officials “supervising” the counts of the Bishop Auckland and Sedgfield constituencies – both generally solid Labour, found that the Tories had actually won in Bishop Auckland, so moved 6k votes from Bishop Auckland to Sedgfield, and 6k votes from Sedgfield to Bishop Auckland to ensure the “correct” result.

  634. 634
    Blowing Whistles says:

    i have noted the timing of all your ‘specifically directed at bw postings on here – you’re the drunken fool rabbi – i thinks thou protesteth a wee bit too loud fuckhead. get urself off to the pigs and get em to try and nick me if you feel so aggrieved.

  635. 635
    Blowing Whistles says:

    ANOTHER – troll! (as i work upwards through the comments) FFS. You had a go at anyone else other than BW?

  636. 636
    Blowing Whistles says:

    The rabbi missed putting in a comment here Huh Pathetic.

  637. 637
    Blowing Whistles says:

    hey rabbi you missed a comment JUST below this one – IMMATURE NOVICE TROLL huh!

  638. 638
    Blowing Whistles says:

    That fake rabbi won’t be ‘getting’ his fee tonight he missed out one or two postings – novice troll – get back to kiddy fiddling.

  639. 639

    That says it all!

  640. 640

    Bloody hell! When I moved there in 1968, I was the foreigner and I had come all the way from West Sussex.

    I have grown the most enormous beard since early December, when I had a cold and could not be arsed to shave. It has some patches of ginger in it too! It is coming off when some decent sunshine sets in.

    Maybe she liked the toilet paper? The stuff in Spain can be a bit primitive…

    When I lived there, West Station was still standing but not used. Then they built the Wessex Way along that stretch of line. Frizz was not built then but arrived shortly after in the early 1970s.

  641. 641
    cheche says:

    and that has what to do with flooding?

  642. 642
    Nigel Farage says:

    Good you c u n t, I hope you are the first to be cut, c u n t

  643. 643
    Nigel Farage says:

    In fact I hope your wife and daughter get gang banged by a group of Muslims because they are kaffars, then as the unstoppable forces of reality wash over you I will be standing at the end of that tunnel that you will crawl down to inform you that you are actually a racist.

  644. 644
    This is what the public hates about politicians says:

    Corrupt fucker.

  645. 645
    Where is our right of recall? says:

    This corrupt git uses taxpayers’ money for many of his other junkets.

    He will be voting on issues which affect the business interests of the man who has bribed him with this particular jolly.

    He is scum.

  646. 646
    Podiceps says:

    ‘Earlier on today, apparently, a woman rang the BBC and said she heard that the climate was cooling. Well, if you’re watching, don’t worry, we’re all gonna fry.’

  647. 647
    כריס says:

    A “Rabbi” posting on shabbot, usually they are telling us off for such a thing…

  648. 648
    Wally says:

    ..or the corrupt and crooked Yanks.

  649. 649

    BTW Joe Emersberger seems to be a bit of a shy guy. I tried to find some pictures of him which made Bob Crow look like father Christmas. I could not find a thing.

    Presumably, he has a face made for radio.

  650. 650
    Wally says:

    I once knew an English English “teacher” who had never heard of a adverb.

  651. 651
    Wally says:

    opps sorry; of course I meant a nadverb….

  652. 652
    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Couldn’t get to that article, this was the same ?


    ZB definitely is speaking sense, however, what is likely to happen will be quite different. He is glossing over a lot of issues.

    Principal problem is the U’kraine is it is now ethnically polarized roughly east / west with the eastern side leaning much closer to Russ!a.

    For the implications of this one should look to what happened in G’eorgia the other year. The pressures which will be on Put!n, with the added bonus of S’evastopal and a lot of money owed by the country to Russ!a, will be significant.

    Russ!a would prefer a simplified security arrangement on this part of its border. However, there are certain issues of history and national pride for Russ!a, and strategic concerns: In particular the issue of the C’rimea is of importance to them, and S’evastopol will not be released without a fight.

    On the issue of resources, Russ!a will not write off the money it has recently loaned U’kraine. The resources in the East will be considered the collateral for those loans.

    My guess is that a compromise will be reached, and this will involve the country partitioning with the Western side maybe joining the EU.

    That will not be the outcome that Europe will want, but may satisfy the US, U’kraine and Russ!a. Think of it similar to what is happening with K’osovo / S’erbia.

    For the U’kraine, being fully in the EU the country would lose significant revenue from the gas pipelines, as well as exports of its own resources and its sovereignty. The EU model it is quite clear is non-beneficial for member states so there is no real incentive to rush into that. If the Eurozone had not decided to become the basket case that it is now, the U’kraine EU decision would have been a firm yes.

    The US is going to be forced into a position of compromise with Russ!a over U’kraine. Their primary concern will be limiting Russ!an influence as much as is possible whilst avoiding direct confrontation and reducing European security costs. Splitting U’kraine and seeing control over at least one of the pipeline routes transition to direct EU Russ!a management would fix the problem that arose before where U’kraine put European gas supply at risk.

    The US very likely has written off U’kraine remaining as a single country now, and will be mainly concerned about not being drawn into confrontation with Russ!a by either the EU or U’kraine. US needs to tread carefully because such a deal may be misread as weakness by others.

    All parties will want to avoid a civil war in U’kraine which would see Russ!a fully mobilizing.

    It would work more in the favour of the US and Russ!a if a stable solution can be found. Neither actor has any interest in seeing EU power enhanced.

    One suspects that the Eurozone economy is going to take a hit. The market may have priced in access to U’kraine’s resources through accession already. That access not happening combined with the future net cost of West U’kraine joining the EU would represent a significant downward pressure.

  653. 653
    Casual Observer 7 says:

    No, he is an unimportant nobody. This should clear things up a bit:

    – Just when you thought that Owen Jones couldn’t sink much lower, he did ;-)

    NB: James is editor of Left Foot Forward, and also contributes to NS, Indy and Speccie. He is a much more reliable source – and it is good to see he has also been criticising Jones for disseminating Emersberger’s material.

    Not trying to be vexatious, but Jones needs to be called out properly – nice to see him getting it in the neck from both the left and the right…. ;-)

  654. 654
    A says:

    As chaos explodes in Ukraine and as the threat of Russian intervention mounts the responsibility of the west for the attainment of a constructive outcome becomes more self-evident.

    Russia can plunge Ukraine into a bitter, destructive, and internationally dangerous civil war. It can prompt the secession of Crimea and of some of the industrial eastern portions of the country. But that would guarantee that a majority of Ukrainians would become Russia’s enduring enemies, irrespective of the short-run outcome of any civil war abetted by Moscow.

    In turn, that would mean that Russian president Vladimir Putin’s nostalgic dream of a ‘Eurasian Union’ headed by the Russian president himself would be exposed as an enterprise based on intimidation and coercion, not exactly an attractive vision for any of the recently sovereign components of the former Soviet Union.

  655. 655
    B says:

    The west, however, can play a constructive role in containing the exploding violence. That will take concerted action by the US and the EU. The US could and should convey clearly to Mr Putin that it is prepared to use its influence to make certain that a truly independent and territorially undivided Ukraine pursues policies towards Russia similar to those so effectively practised by Finland: mutually respectful neighbours, wide-ranging economic relations both with Russia and the EU, but no participation in any military alliance viewed by Moscow as directed at itself – while also expanding its European connectivity. In brief, the Finnish model as the ideal example for Ukraine, and the EU, and Russia.

    But to be credible to the Kremlin, the US needs also to spell out privately that attempts to destabilise the emerging democracy in Kiev and/or to detach parts of Ukraine – not to mention even overt or covert Russian participation in it’s neighbour’s domestic conflicts – would compel Washington to use its influence internationally to prompt steps that would be economically costly to Moscow.

    Options to that effect can range from unilateral individual as well state-to-state financial sanctions, as well as a review of Russia¹s status in the World Trade Organisation, the World Bank, and its role in the G8. Obviously, the EU would need to be a solid partner in such an effort, since it is a significant trader with Russia.

  656. 656
    C says:

    But even more urgent and important is the imperative need for the EU to formulate a significant financial emergency package for Ukraine. Otherwise, the country will plunge into a destructive financial chaos. The lead in Europe should be taken in that regard especially by Germany and the UK. The latter’s role as haven for Russian and Ukrainian financial oligarchs gives London special leverage. But every EU country should make some sacrifice in a an effort to avert a potentially catastrophic Ukrainian economic collapse.

    Obviously, the US and the EU hopefully with Russia’s help should continue to press the dominant democratic forces in Kiev to adopt a stance not of revenge and retribution but of national unification and political moderation. That is do-able and the leaders who emerged in Maidan are moderates.

    So, irrespective of what happens in the near future, I continue to believe: “Sooner rather than later, Ukraine will be truly a part of democratic Europe. Later rather than sooner, Russia will follow unless it self-isolates itself and becomes a semi-stagnant imperialistic relic”.

  657. 657
    Wally says:

    You often get similar treatment in shops and restaurants. Try walking into a posh restaurant or boutique whilst wearing tidy but casual clothes and no matter how much you have in the bank some snotty nosed waiter will tell you “we are fully booked” even though there is nobody else in the place, or a shop girl who thinks you must be the local yokel on a day trip to town. I just tell these people in my best cut glass accent that if they do not want my money, I shall go and spend somewhere else and just walk out.

  658. 658
    Casual Observer 7 says:

    The EU will not be able to put together a credible financial package.

    A big risk, if it tries, will be member states who have just about reached their limit with austerity leaving.

    The priority is for a civil war to be avoided in U’kraine. The West’s real responsibility is to cease trying to force that. Contrary to the language used there, chaos has not been exploding around the country, only some disturbances in K’iev. There was a UEFA match played in one of their eastern cities and televised last week – hardly what happens in countries that are exploding. (The K’iev Dynamo match was moved to C’yprus though because of the protesters.)

    The presence of EU Foreign Ministers was actually helping to keep demonstrations going despite the efforts of the government to de-escalate.

    R’adoslaw S’ikorski warning opposition leaders that they will die if they do not sign deal with U’krainian government should have calmed things for now. Also gives a candid insight into how the EU negotiates, and how to negotiate with people from this part of the world.

  659. 659

    There could be no better illustration of the contempt and hatred that the Eurotraitors have for the rights and freedoms of whole nations.

  660. 660

    As always, it is all about money.

    Europe is in a weak position here for obvious reasons. Ukraine was always the USSR’s breadbasket. Given the level of food prices in the EU, it could do itself a lot of good by selling its production there. The French would complain like hell as they are still grossly inefficient in non-wine agriculture as the Code Napoleon inheritance rules mitigate in favour of smaller and smaller parcels of land. Austria, by contrast, has a lot of non-performing Ukrainian debt, so would probably welcome it.

    Don’t know what all the old armaments factories are doing in Ukraine now. Not much, I suspect.

    The linguistic divide there is another issue with the Russian/Ukrainian split being more north-south than east-west.

  661. 661

    Ah! Posting at same time but agreeing on Europe’s financial weakness being a limiting factor.

    Take note of your last paragraph too. Gung ho is the order, it seems.

  662. 662

    Jones is only interested in exposure. All publicity is good seems to work in his type of game.

  663. 663
    Nobalot de la France says:

    FFS you two! BW is rocking precariously on the borders of sanity. Are you attempting to push him over entirely?

  664. 664
    Nobalot de la France says:


  665. 665
    UKIP or bust says:

    C says, “Ukraine will be truly a part of democratic Europe.” Democratic!!! Te EU democratic? I don’t know about you ‘C’, but I never voted for, Barrosso, Rupomy, Shultz, Ashton or any of the other real power players.

    Democratic? Try telling that to the Greeks and the Italians.

    Oh and if you do get a vote on anything important in the EU you have to vote for what they want or they make you vote again.

    Democratic my arse.

  666. 666
    Nobalot de la France says:

    Our women ‘ave ze big boobies always on show.

  667. 667
    Killer Bercow says:

    Then why do I need long johns?

  668. 668
    Sally Bercow says:

    I call myself a socialist feminist, but socialism is antithetical to the rights of women. In Cuba, over 50% of women have been prostitutes.

  669. 669
    Rob Roy says:

    So the “omens” for the future of an independent Scotland are “not good” according to ginger nut.

    The last few years have been lined with bread and honey.

    Vote “yes” and control your own destiny.

    Gingernut and his kind can stay in London subject to the views of the English.

  670. 670
    Axe the telly tax says:

    Strange how slapper Bercow forgets how the left went after Cameron for visiting floods in Africa when in opposition and he wasn’t actually on holiday but on a long planned official visit

    The left and Bercow are just a bunch of hypocritical arseholes

  671. 671
    The Voice of Reason says:

    A convicted murderer has now absconded on day release.

    What the hell is happening here.

    This is supposed to be a Government upholding law and order.

    They should hold their heads in shame agree to refund half their salaries and resign en bloc.

    Taking money off the tax payer after their false promises and lies is fraud.

  672. 672
    DSK says:

    Socialist feminists are so twentieth century.

  673. 673
    William Wallace says:

    Cameron says an independent Scotland would tear the UK apart.

    An independent Scotland would mean two separate countries competing economically against one another whilst enjoying a common border.

    These two independent countries would have to assume responsibility for their own futures.

  674. 674
    Expat Geordie says:

    Don’t need to, he’s already there. He was a security guard at McDonalds in Boscombe a few years back. If that is not enough to tip you over the edge then nothing will. Anyway, don’t you have to be mad to post on here? I thought that it was one of the requirements before posting.

  675. 675
    Z says:

    C, B and A are all one and the same.


    That surprised you! Or maybe not…

  676. 676
    Gelion says:

    latest average polls from ukpollingreport

    Lab 38
    Cons 33
    Fibs 9

    Labour majority 60

  677. 677
    At last a chance says:

    Sunday Express:-

    Detectives are examining footprints in the sand on a beach in the hunt for ‘you know who ‘.

  678. 678
    altruism in industry says:

    people shouldn’t be so quick to condemn “lavish” spending by people who have attained wealth like what’s his face in Ukraine. Do people think that they eat or destroy the things that they purchase ? They are creating work for skilled artists and artisans, giving them the opportunity to create interesting items which might not exist without their patronage.

  679. 679
    Hushed Tone says:

    Not BW?

  680. 680
    M103.5 says:

    Having gobbed off about how they were going to have a referendum on EU membership if they win the next election Cameron realized he had better find out what the consequences of withdrawal from the EU might be and has been quietly consulting a range of stakeholders over the past few months, and the results are coming in. The picture for Cameron is not good, the most favourable reports from sectors say leaving the EU will make no difference to them and the worst say it will be a complete and utter disaster. No wonder Cameron smuggled them out when the media’s attention was diverted away by the floods

  681. 681
    Joss Ayinglike says:

    So-called ‘female window-dressing’ on the Andrew Marrtian’ programme. Talk about ‘rough’.

  682. 682
    Wun Hung Lo says:

    Beauty fades.

    Stupidity lasts forever.

  683. 683
    Ah! 'm hungry says:

    Is there an app that can tell me where the nearest food bank is?

  684. 684
    M103.5 says:

    The Libbys will be swimming with the fishes. They are complicit in the deaths of 10,000 people who died after being forced off disability allowance. They can carry on with the cuckoo land cloud thing, they will wake up soon as ordinary citizens, except that they will get directorships from their corporate cronies.

    Frankly who cares if Nick debates with Farage. It doesn’t matter if Farage loses! he will be the winner on a PR basis. Bad gamble

  685. 685
    Rabbi Isaac Abraham Steinberger says:

    D’ya’like that?

  686. 686
    Home Secretary fail says:

    Those who released hm should be sacked, forthwith.

  687. 687
    CO7 SC says:

    Guido to reveal that our posts emanate from identical ISP address.

  688. 688
    Rabbi Isaac Abraham Steinberger says:

    Somerset levels.


  689. 689
    Andrew Marr says:

    Moving swiftly on from mention of Barry Gardner…..

  690. 690
    Rabbi Isaac Abraham Steinberger says:

    I converted to natural gas.

  691. 691
    Andrew Marr says:

    Let me serve you these easy questions on a plate, Miss Old Hookerface

  692. 692
    Bob Sleigh says:

    Where are the Kippers?

  693. 693
    Casual Observer 7 says:

    It’s not the linguistic divide as such, more the division between people who are more aligned with Russ!a than the EU.

    The waters are muddied as many U’krainian speakers are wanting to side with Russ!a, and some of the Russ!an’s prefer to be with the EU.

    Wheat will be a strategic concern for Russ!a, but also of note is are the manganese deposits, coal and iron ore, as well as the pipelines. Ukraine itself would do better by remaining independent – the people there realize that they are being carved up at present.

  694. 694
    God says:

    If Eric Clapton is really me, then who am I?

  695. 695
    Maria von Trapp says:

    Got some bad news for you lot.

    They are all socialists up here…

  696. 696
    The bloody Mod Bot is still at it says:

    And let me provide you with the answers as well.

    NB: I believe when people have a near death experience and stare the reality of their mortality in the face, it concentrates the mind. Perhaps Marr-gate feels he no longer has the time to go through the motions of pretending to be impartial. Better get on with his life’s (and the BBC’s) work.

  697. 697
    Calamity Clegg, Chief Cockroach says:


  698. 698
    Bennies from Heaven says:

    It’s disgusting that after I’ve bought my booze and fags and scratchcards there’s not enough benefit money to feed my kids and I have to go to food banks. Tories out!

  699. 699
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:



  700. 700
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

  701. 701
    Anonymous says:

    Ghostwriter reveals WikiLeaks chief’s autobiography became impossible to write as Julian Assange hated to give up his own secrets
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    O’Hagan found him inconsistent, vain, funny, proud – a Peter Pan

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  702. 702
    Anonymous says:

    I presume these questions are asked country wide to get a broad spread? If so any questions asked in Scotland are likely to get Labour as the answer

    Suspect this may distort the overall intention elsewhere. Perhaps this is not as firm as what people think. Besides which didn’t the welsh windbag have 30 points lead and still mange to get slaughtered

  703. 703
    Kate and Gerry says:

    The “disappearance” of Maddy has made us very rich. Thank you to all the rubes who sent donations which we spent on mortgage payments and a new flatscreen TV. We’ve been terribly distraught travelling around the world first class and staying in 5 star hotel suites as we desperately try to find whatshername. The agony of going on Oprah or to the Edinburgh TV festival, or writing our autobiography has just been too much. But all the millions we’ve raked in has cheered us up no end. We look forward to continuing the search for our “missing” daughter for another 20 years. Please send more donations.

  704. 704
    Scallywag says:

    Lord Lucan?

  705. 705
    Owen Jones,Guest Moderator says:

    Well knock me sideways: UKIP’s housing spokesperson is one of the private landlords milking the welfare state


  706. 706
    Over 40% of the electorate no longer votes in Britain says:

    How many people refused to answer?

    Is the number of people telling the pollsters to f-off going up or down?

  707. 707
    Guy News Room says:

    Right wing political blogger,Guido Fawkes said Owen Jones was not a “significant threat to the public”.

  708. 708
    Spring Time for Ed Balls says:

  709. 709
    Common Purpose says:

    We call this sort of thing a success.

  710. 710
    Owen Jones, fear MONGer says:

    Fingers crossed for peace and democracy in Ukraine, and that fears of far-right exploiting chaos or country falling apart don’t materialise

  711. 711
    Prime Minister"Money's no object" Cameron says:

    Due to defence cuts could people who live near the sea, take it in turns at gazing out to sea, and report anything suspicious to a Boy Scout.

  712. 712
    Maria von Trapp says:

    I already told you just above. Don’t you listen? No wonder you keep getting socialist governments!

  713. 713
    David Cameron, bumsex marriage says:

    Election winning gold.

  714. 714
    The joys of being forced to be in the EU says:

    Think you better wait until Putin has finished milking the Olympics before you wish a country that was part of Russia good luck, it’s not the right that’s the problem it’s the left and the EU dictatorship that will screw it up and give us WWIII as a present.

  715. 715
    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Business has plenty of time to restructure.

    The general desire is to return the UK to Free Trade status, and not be part of the EU and essentially a vassal state.

    The problem Cameron has is balancing all of that and presenting it coherently.

    You will note that UKIP’s message from the start has been exiting the EU, ruling out joining the Euro by offering a referendum. Returning the UK to being part of the free trade area is also part of their message, as that is what was originally agreed back in the 70s.

    Businesses are not dependent on the EU at all, unless they are in direct receipt of EU funding, or relying on the EU tax avoidance provisions to remain profitable. Businesses which are dependent on the EU are clearly not operationally beneficial to the UK so should go.

    Once the companies which are not capable of surviving are shut down, this opens up the market place for competition which will see new companies which are capable of surviving fill the void: Assuming demand exists for the goods and services previously provisioned.

  716. 716
    Anonymous says:

    He is not entitled to a fucking holiday when he should be at least lending support to to the activities ongoing due to the worst storms and flooding any one has seen in 100 years or more

    Yeah I know he’s a leftie so cannot do any wrong. I fucking hate these utter scum lefties. Quick to pronounce what everyone else should do but never seem to allow this to apply to themselves

    Lefties could not give a shit until they want your vote. The government at least is trying to do something but given the world stopped in 1997 and flood defences abandoned in 2003 with equipment soled off what the fuck can he do

  717. 717
    The lefts mantra -- Don't do as I do do as I say says:

    Barry Gardiner MP

    how much wasted pharmaceuticals did you prevent from the centre of the 5 star hotel swimming pool with cocktail bar attached?

    Don’t worry I’ll wait for an answer until you get back and have cleared business class fast track.

  718. 718
    Anonymous says:

    How do you make your misses moan during sex?

    Wipe your knob on the curtains

  719. 719
    Anonymous says:

    You are quite a sick person constantly going on about “bums ex” why don’t you just grow up FFS

  720. 720
    Pedant says:


    (it was a poo!)

  721. 721
    Educated Elite says:

    …In this mad,bad,self serving,conning,fraudulant,crooked,untruthful,nasty world,..you will get nowhere!

  722. 722
    JH3498239482390 says:

    A great sight.

    Tired old long-dead men, tired old ideas that have never, ever worked.

    Socialism creates shortages of everything except misery and bloodshed.

  723. 723
    Ailurophile says:

    “Old Thumper”? In a “Porterhouse”?
    Guinness, surely?

  724. 724
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Both BW postings on the Rupe sponsored blog – box 139 and comment below at 179 – IMPOSTERS.

    but the namecheck has been noted.

    Had a read about Isaac Nahman Steinberg 1888-1957 today; umm interesting.

  725. 725
    Irish White Nígger says:

    @Expat Geordie

    We don’t want to shag you either.
    The difference between you and Cat is that he is a gentleman, whereas you are just a scumbag chip-buttie-eating ignoramus racist. Your attitude to the Irish also suggests you may be a decommissioned squaddie, with post-traumatic issues from Belfast.
    Now, fuck off.

    Cat, you really should choose your virtual company more carefully. I do hope for your sake that he is not your son.

  726. 726
    BBC Disinfotainment says:

    And now news just in: the freedom fighters in Syria don’t much care for gays. And now to our…oh…wait…

  727. 727
    BBC Disinfotainment says:

    Herr Doktor Mengele, I’d like to take this opportunity to apologise on behalf of everyone about Blowing Whistles’ mission to save us all from organized j’ewry. You must feel so like yesterday’s nazi.

  728. 728
    Blowing Whistles says:

    On reflection of timings looks like the fake rabbi could well be xxxxxx … in a drunken haze of his own.

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