February 20th, 2014

A Whine From God

Foodbanks? Check. Benefit sanctions? Check. Boring snoring? Check. On first glance you would have thought Rachel Reeves had written the letter from 27 bishops to the Mirror this morning. It is worth pointing out that the letter itself does not even mention Cameron, Osborne or IDS, let alone directly criticise them, so it is hardly a case of turbulent priests. In fact, it doesn’t even criticise the government all, simply arguing:

“We call on government to do its part: acting to investigate food markets that are failing, to make sure that work pays, and to ensure that the welfare system provides a robust last line of defence against hunger.”

Which is exactly the point. Awkwardly for Labour the bishops’ solution to the nation’s ills are making work pay and reforming the welfare state so it provides only a safety net “last line of defence”. If they keep on like that Guido for one won’t be bashing the bishops…


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  1. 1
    • 13
      Toxic Labour for Spongers, Parasites, Immigrants, Criminals & other Wasters. says:

      We already are. The size of the individual is in direct proportion to the amount of benefits received. I’m sick of theses tubs of lard blocking the aisles in the supermarket. Reduce their benefits.

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      • 49
        Jim Currie Former Director General , European Commission says:

        Just watching the Master races parliament, they are looking at their part of the rebate.
        The one thing this man did say of interest, that “opt outs are looked on as time limited by the EU”. As this man was head of the Sty you can see that opt outs are only a sweetener for the greater project.

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        • 88
          Anonymous says:

          I sent the following email to Jim Currie this morning, jim.currie@bm.com, about his TV performance to the Scottish parliament. After leaving the European Commission he prefers, it seems, to be known, more informally as Jim.

          Hi Jim,

          You looked a little lamped on TV this morning, happy to give you advice if you feel you need it.

          Look forward to hearing from you.

          Kind regards,

          Jim was also a former Non-Executive Director and Member of Remuneration Committee, The Royal Bank of Scotland Group plc.
          Jim is a Senior Advisor for Burson-Marsteller.

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        • 90
          Desyduk says:

          I sent the following email to Jim Currie this morning, jim.currie@bm.com, about his TV performance to the Scottish parliament.
          After leaving the European Commission he prefers, it seems, to be known, more informally as Jim.

          Hi Jim,

          You looked a little lamped on TV this morning, happy to give you advice if you feel you need it.

          Look forward to hearing from you.

          Kind regards,

          Jim was also a former Non-Executive Director and Member of Remuneration Committee, The Royal Bank of Scotland Group plc.
          Jim is a Senior Advisor for Burson-Marsteller.

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          • broderick crawford says:

            REPETITIVE PEDANT SAYS

            February 20, 2014 at 11:29 am
            I sent the following email to Jim Currie this morning, jim.currie@bm.com, about his TV performance to the Scottish parliament.
            After leaving the European Commission he prefers, it seems, to be known, more informally as Jim.

            Hi Jim,

            You looked a little lamped on TV this morning, happy to give you advice if you feel you need it.

            Look forward to hearing from you.

            Kind regards,

            Jim was also a former Non-Executive Director and Member of Remuneration Committee, The Royal Bank of Scotland Group plc.
            Jim is a Senior Advisor for Burson-Marsteller.

            Reply

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      • 105
        Anonymous says:

        To: the people in Room 101 – Tory HQ

        How much do your controllers pay you to write this vile, fascist, BS?

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    • 41
      oWEN JONES says:

      My old mans a dustman and I am a middle class gorm

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      • 107
        broderick crawford says:

        Owen

        you re nothing of the sort .

        Your father was a pheasant plucker and you — strange as it nsy seem —

        are indeed …… a pheasant plucker s son .

        I thank you .

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    • 56
      Cinna says:

      I’d have more respect if they started liquidating some of their assists to feed the “poor”.

      In any case many of these food banks are being used not necessarily to feed those in need, but are the last refuge of those who like to eat but not work.

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      • 66
        Airey Belvoir says:

        The accounts of the Trussel Trust show it as a nice little earner for its founder and his wife. Big salary, rent paid to property they own, churches charged for opening food banks, ker-ching!

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        • 79
          Henry says:

          Aren’t these food banks in actual fact a “franchise”?

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          • John Bellingham says:

            Yup! £1500 down and a small commission per month gets you in business. Volunteer labour free. Charitable basis means no taxes. You can’t live well on it, but with the addition of a “shop” selling donated clothes, goods etc., it is a nice little earner for, say, a retiree or the missus.

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          • broderick crawford says:

            yeah i think you re right they are a franchise

            Interim global brand name is currently being touted as

            KENTUCKY FRIED WHOPPER MCFOOD

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          • Anonymous says:

            Proving, yet again, how business profits from the poor.

            P.S: Why did the PM ban the press from taking photos of him inside a food bank?

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        • 97
          Cinna says:

          They do say charity begins at home. Looks like someone might be doing quite nicely, thank you very much.

          I imagine that the whole charity industry is the same. Chief execs getting big salaries, big cars and expenses. The lowest in the food chain will actually being working for nothing while the fat cats at the top live high on the hog. Seems to be a leftie trait that.

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    • 62
      Nah says:

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      • 65
        JJ says:

        The EU has blood on its hands.

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      • 114
        Anonymous says:

        Watching the BBC, you might get an impression of freedom-loving protest being shot by brutal Police. Yet, check out RT*, and see how violent groups are shooting at, and beating up, the Police – as well fire-bombing public building. Just think how the US government would react if such unrest happened in Washington?

        *FreeView, Channel 85

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    • 103
      Piggy Banks says:

      But you lot don’t mind feeding the fat-cat bankers – with massive bonuses.

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    • 104
      broderick crawford says:

      Surely Schrod … you mean ..feed the CAT .

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    • 112
      Father Ted says:

      Careful now.

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  2. 2
    Satan says:

    Gods Wankers, they are all in it together.

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    • 10
      Whippersnapper2 says:

      Only a moron becomes a ‘theologian’ and doesn’t it show. If you scumbags feel that badly about the poor give some of the Church billions away to them. Let’s start with a letter to the Pope….ha ha some chance.
      In the meantime shut-up you idiots.

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      • 16
        C.O.Jones says:

        I am waiting for the day when the purveyors of sky pixies meet up with the carriers of light sabres for an all out basho.

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      • 35
        Jet Stream says:

        The pope? If you look at their photos, they are all non-Catholic bishops.

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        • 78
          drtu65e6 says:

          What’s the difference?

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          • FFS says:

            This is where organised religion brings Christianity into disrepute, by chronically misrepresenting Christian teaching.

            Jesus did not go around bestowing riches on the “poor”. That isn’t what Christianity is about. Christianity is about divesting yourself of the idea that you can become happy and live a worthwhile life by accruing vast wealth, having lots of sex and getting drunk and drugged up every day. If you put all your wealth into a big heap and set fire to it so you could live a simpler more spiritual life this would make you a good Christian.

            Giving the wealth to the poor is secondary – it is just a better solution than setting fire to it. You sure as hell can’t become a good Christian because the government has forced you to give up on your wealth through taxation, because the obsession with obtaining more wealth might still consume your every waking hour.

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      • 109
        Anonymous says:

        All these evil, vile, insults, have the Church hit a nerve by any chance?

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    • 84
      John redwood says says:

      Archbishop Nichols has recently claimed that “the basic safety net” of welfare has been “torn apart”. Has the Archbishop read any of the statements from DWP, or studied the figures from the Treasury?
      If he did so he would find that welfare spending has gone up under this governemnt, despite the substantial rise in the number of people in work, the best kind of welfare. Total welfare and state pensions spending is up by more than £26 billion a year. Welfare spending excluding penions and Jobseekers is up in real terms 2010-2014. The total spend is over £220 billion, and the welfare spend on people of working age is £94 billion. How does this amount to the end of the safety net?
      It is disappointing that people in positions of authority who have benefitted from a good education should be so sloppy with their words and so remiss not to read the numbers. If the Archbishop has some better way to spend the £220 billion then that could be a useful contribution to the debate. If he really believes that spending a few million more than the £220 billion could make a lot of difference he should tell us how and why.
      What is so frustrating about his type of comment is it gets a lot of airtime for a complete misrepresentation of what the government is trying to do and what it is actually doing. The government – like Labour before it – wants people in a relatively rich country to be able to live to a decent standard. It wants to help those with state money who cannot help themselves. It wants to encourage and assist more people into work so they can enjoy a better living standard without claiming on their neighbours, the taxpayers.
      It is both false to imply the government wants people to suffer, and false to assume there is a further large pot of money which the state mysteriously can posses which it could spend to better effect than the £220 billion a year it is already spending.
      It would be helpful if clergy gave better and clearer moral guidance to us and to their Churches on the big moral issues that come up in Parliament. If they have good ideas on welfare reform then they should state them with the detail to back them up. It would also be interesting to hear how much of the wealth of the Church, accumulated over the centuries, the Archbishop thinks they should share with the poor. They might also like to comment on their view of equal opportunities for women and the role of women in the workplace.

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      • 94
        FFS says:

        The government is none of the churches business. The government in !srael at the time of Jesus was run by Herod II and the Romans. Jesus totally ignored them. Christianity is about the individual and individual morality.

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        • 115
          Anonymous says:

          But surely the lack of any morality, behind attacks on the poor, IS their business? And all this BS concerning Christianity being only about individual morality certainly lets this government off-the-hook. For while:

          “We often hear talk of hard choices. Surely few can be harder than that faced by the tens of thousands of older people who must “heat or eat” each winter, harder than those faced by families whose wages have stayed flat while food prices have gone up 30% in just five years.”

          Did that hit a little close-to-home?

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  3. 3
    Spartacus says:

    But what of grease? Bankrupt yet? Any recent national strikes?

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  4. 4

    Chris Smith. Ex-politician. Works 3 day week. Gets paid £100k. Totally fucking useless.
    Chris Patten. Ex-politician. Works 3 day week. Gets paid £100k. Totally fucking useless.
    Chris Huhne. Ex-politician. Works 3 day week. Gets paid £100k. Totally fucking useless.

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    • 9
      BoJo says:

      Please say what you mean, don’t beat around the bush, if you think he is a total tosser and should be bum sexed three times a day say so.

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      • 18

        I will say this about the criminal piece of garbage which is Chris Huhne; that he is the only one who is paid this sum by a private company, unlike the other two who are paid directly by funds stolen from you and me under the stealthy guise of taxation.

        Mind you, Huhne’s new employer lives off the public teat so it is only at one remove.

        They should have all gone to prison for a long time.

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    • 26
      CPS says:

      We begin to see a patten here…

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  5. 5
    Mr Sheen says:

    Harriet eaten humble pie yet?

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  6. 6
    Mad Frankie Maude says:

    We must give inflation busting rises to benefits.

    Hear !

    Hear !

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  7. 8
    C.O.Jones says:

    “ensure that the welfare system provides a robust last line of defence against hunger.”

    But in reality it is

    ensures that the welfare system provides a robust line of defence against hunger, nicotine and alchohol deprivation and never having to work.

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    • 11
      Pike says:

      Please stop picking on the feeble minded, they don’t like it up them.

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      • 22
        C.O.Jones says:

        The feeble minded and those needing help is why the welfare state was needed. Instead it has morphed into a business plan for under achievers.

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  8. 12
    Lateral Thought says:

    The state is not a line of defence, but very much a large part of the problem.

    The state after all, through the Environment Agency, DEFRA and the EU have been responsible for the scale of flooding that has affected productive agricultural land, a reduction in the amount of land used for agriculture, the planting of unsuitable crops, and an unnecessary increase in population burden through immigration.

    The cooling climate is reducing crop yields: This is where the supply side inflation which is affecting food prices globally is sourcing from, but the UK has done more than most to compromise its own food security mainly as a result of state intervention.

    There is an argument that a Malthusian Catastrophe is just around the corner. The state is one of the vices which shall ensure depopulation in the precursor phase before nature ensures the population returns to subsistence existence.

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  9. 15
    cornwall storms says:

    Last line of defence. Exactly ! Welfare benefits were supposed to be a safety net for those who encountered unexpected hardship – labour turned it into a refuge for the idle in the hope that would buy them votes. IDS is doing the right thing, long may it continue.

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    • 25
      IDS says:

      No he’s not he’s tinkering around the edges, the real problems are being ignored as too difficult.
      Without attacking the elephant in the room it will never be solved, just a continuing drain on the rest of society.
      I cant mention by name who I mean as the post will be moderated into oblivion, but they all face in the same direction.

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      • 34
        cornwall storms says:

        if you want to put a name in and avoid the modbot double space each letter – it usually works for me.

        Yes I wish IDS would go even further with this welfare crackdown but give him time he’s heading in the right direction.

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        • 50
          Gawd Help Us says:

          But he’s probably only got 15 months left then it will be back to the vote inducing payments system with a few more newly acquired ‘visitors’ added to the mix.

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    • 60
      Jim says:

      His whole approach is wrong. He should hold unchanged the current applicants on the existing system and sign further applicants onto the new system. As it develops existing applicants will fall away without claimants saying they are worse off or mistakes are being made in transferring them from one system to another. Any teething problems in the new system can be corrected as they arise. If he fails in this mass approach nobody will try again this Century.

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  10. 19
    south7eventh says:

    No Reverend Paul Flowers among the Methodist Church signatories. He should have been an automatic participant given that he has a foot in each camp, God and Mammon.

    Where is he when he is needed to support the Party line and bash the wicked Tories and their welfare cuts?

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    • 119
      Traditional Christian beliefs says:

      Does the Rev Flowers realise that if their is any truth in what he purports to stand for and then its the lake of fire or him for all eternity ?

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  11. 21
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    The simple way to shut-up these god-bothering frauds and charlatans is for the government to announce that it is proposing a massive tax on all church land and property to fund a more generous benefits system and that the church’s charitable tax status will be abolished :-)

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    • 29
      sunderland is a labour ghetto that why its shyte says:

      Good man brilliant idea.

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    • 72
      Cinna says:

      Best solution all round. Well done that man! I don’t see how the church could object tot hat either.

      Back in the day it was the church itself who worked to relieve the poor. That was until the state interfered and the church abrogated their responsibilities and decided to sit on the sidelines and snipe.

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    • 81
      Spartacus says:

      tax, tax, tax, tax . . . .

      are you a relation of V1nce?

      what we all want is less tax and less benefits, in fact, in general less confiscation of wealth all round

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      • 116
        Anonymous says:

        But, for the most part, the likes of you have pretty good tax avoidance plans in place. For how many workers can take the Tax collector to Starbucks and agree what they want to pay?

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  12. 23
    The Blair Rich Project says:

    I know people think that I’m a lying corrupt hypocritical slimeball but I couldn’t possibly comment.

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  13. 24
    Tom Watson says:

    I always bash my bishop.

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  14. 27
    Ah! hmm. says:

    Heavy under the belly as well. Opportunity to compare with Balls?

    Sun Politics @Sun_Politics
    EXCL: Gorge-less George Osborne is trying to budge it with celebrity diet: http://bit.ly/1crYttA
    Retweeted by Guido Fawkes

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  15. 28
    Anonymous says:

    As ever the CoE is talking to itself. Anyone with any common sense can see that the Benefits system stops some people working, preferring the lazy life on benefits. Usually, the food banks are supported by the benefits mob who have already spent there dole money on life’s’ essentials, booze, fags & the fixed odds machines. The sooner this Gov really drills down on getting the lazy back to work the better it will be for their lot.

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    • 40
      Mong Watch says:

      Booze and cigarettes at least give a benefit to the bennie brigade.

      The betting machines are money down the drain.

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  16. 31
    sunderland is a labour ghetto that why its shyte says:

    Whilst I agree totally with benefit reform the real killer is tax credits get rid

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  17. 32

    OK CPS, yet another bunch of public sector scumbags who cannot do their jobs properly. You have had the week you wanted – but should not have needed.

    Are you going to press for a retrial of Dave Lee Travis on the two counts which the jury could not decide on? Or not?

    It’s make your mind up time.

    Shit, or get off the fucking pot!

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    • 43
      Casual Observer 7 says:

      They maybe would be showing some neck if they did, but if they don’t then there are even more legitimate questions to be raised about this case.

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      • 53

        It goes to the raison d’être.

        Yet another instance where what started under Labour was turned on it’s head.

        Appearance is reality. The only reality.

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        • 55

          Greengrocer’s apology!

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        • 68
          Casual Observer 7 says:

          What is really being turned on its head, other than the notion of honourable MP or responsible party, is that some aspects of the state which are claimed to be politically neutral are not.

          The irony is that the EU has spent a lot of our money correcting these issues in the East European states – an important part of the liberal reforms and work of OSCE + a pre-requisite for accession.

          The neglect in the homeland is beginning to show quite dramatically now.

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    • 98
      Cinna says:

      You seem a little tetchy this morning Cat. :)

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      • 117
        Anonymous says:

        “Yet beyond even this we must, as a society, face up to the fact that over half of people using foodbanks have been put in that situation by cut backs to and failures in the benefit system, whether it be payment delays or punitive sanctions.”

        Such statements tend to make folks around here a little uneasy.

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  18. 33
    Rachel Reeves says:

    Who are you calling boring snoring? I’ve had a makeover!
    Hoooonk … Honk ! Honk! Honk!

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  19. 36
    Joe says:

    All religions are total bollux. All priests are idle cnuts who never do any real work. Ignore the idiots.

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  20. 37
    Carl Marks says:

    Agreed

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  21. 38
    Galton says:

    What we need is a bit of social Darwinism aka E’ugenics.

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  22. 42
    Danielle Stevens says:

    These facilitators of organisations of child abuse know nothing about anything except hiding their filthy brethren from justice & their God from liability for crimes against children.

    They also see poverty in the UK as the benefit class only having an iPhone 4.

    It is time that organised religion was dismantled by the sensible majority of people who refuse to accept the authority of invisible sky pixies & their rich male kiddy fiddling white middle class representatives on earth

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    • 48
      C.O.Jones says:

      And get libraries to move all religious books to the fiction shelves.

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    • 51
      Religious Nutters says:

      Our Sky Fairies are bigger than their Sky Pixies. Let’s start a war.

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    • 54
      Graham says:

      Sadly. You probably believe what you have posted.

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      • 64
        Joe says:

        Danielle is correct. Bishops are self serving posing pillocks — just the same as politicians — except that they con naive plebs into believing they have the backing of some supernatural fantasy beings that don’t and never have existed. Hence the plebs give them money for their churches, palaces and lifestyle.

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        • 80
          Village Idiot says:

          …Sanctuary for the educated elites,who have done so much damage to society,be it in religion,the law,politics ,or numerous public offices and,one of the worst, charities,what a flaming con;all fronted by delusional educated elites who have,between them,destroyed countries and societies across the globe,and are completely responsible for the so called underclass by their negligence!…Also QUANGOS,what a sanctueary for the useless ,educated elites,where they can hide their incompetence,and get paid handsomely for failure;…don’t get me started on the anti democratic HOL,who hate the people they pretend to serve!…hey ….ho….Interwebby hub things do not like lightening!

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  23. 46
    H says:

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  24. 47
    whippet says:

    This is part of the fallout over the gay marriage thing. Rather than criticise it directly, which is verboten under political correctness, they invent this nonsense.

    Also anyone seen this nonsense on Sky about English government money for floods in Wales? What is it about devolution they don’t understand? What is the Labour controlled Welsh government doing about this? Sky’s gone BBC, cancelling my subscription today.

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    • 52
      Casual Observer 7 says:

      I thought I had detected a shift back towards Labour in some of the M’urdoch outlets.

      Apparently Fox are warming to the idea of H’ilary C’linton nomination for presidential candidate over in the US as well.

      What a twisted path is being weaved… or are some political realities being acknowledged as some are in need of the $’s ?

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    • 67
      KLODS says:

      You didn’t read Guido’s post then. What the Bishes are saying is what most people are saying.

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  25. 58
    The Lizzud Returns says:

    Guido, the trouble is that you spend far too much time bashing your bishop.

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  26. 73
    Anonymous says:

    Don’t see no muzzie, or is that not considered a religion.

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  27. 74
    Henry says:

    Can no one rid me of these troublesome priests?

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  28. 75
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    Council taxes on all Church Buildings I say.

    Too many of these Bishops are going around with that old trick of “remember us in your Will,my friend”.

    Never trust a Devil Dodger.

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  29. 76
    Robin says:

    The churches, with their global reach, are very well placed to know that rising food prices, bringing 1 million deaths a year from starvation, are driven by bio-fuel production in response to their competitor religion, global warming.

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  30. 83
    My name is Michael Caine says:

    I wish someone would give me 40 Grand for doing Feck all. I wonder what she knows? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-26265219

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  31. 86
    Oh for gawds sake... says:

    And how many of those ‘relying’ on food banks are overweight, in posession of all the latest gadgets such as iPads, plasma tellys, mobile phones, Xboxes, etc…

    Little sympathy for most of them.

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  32. 87
    Anonymous says:

    “make sure that work pays”
    Who would have imagined priests capable of performing the thought experiment, which appears to be eluding the brightest minds of both the scientific and financial communities? Robots can certainly build cars more quickly and more cheaply that humans. Unfortunately no one seems able to fathom how they can be encouraged to purchase them, without a need or the wherewithal.

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  33. 89
    Jack the Ripper says:

    I wonder how many bishops avail themselves of House Of Lords subsidised grub.

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  34. 91
    Cardinal Rich says:

    We had to attack the UK government on poverty to take the focus from our piss poor defence of our systemic child abuse problem; and our denial of any wrong in this affair internationally, including refuting the UN report.
    Obviously we cannot do the same in the USA as we do not have the same amount of left wing media backing as we do in the UK.

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  35. 93
    Joe Public says:

    Interesting that the UK food bank question has not been investigated by the Roman Catholic church in the UK as to its political foundations.
    Also their ignoring the fact that 30% of Americans are on food stamps.
    The Catholic church full of hypocrites? Surely Not!

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  36. 102
    Anonymous says:

    Since a few key lines seem to have gone missing, here is the full text of the letter to the Daily Mirror:

    “Sir,

    Britain is the world’s seventh largest economy and yet people are going hungry.

    Half a million people have visited foodbanks in the UK since last Easter and 5,500 people were admitted to hospital in the UK for malnutrition last year.

    One in five mothers report regularly skipping meals to better feed their children, and even more families are just one unexpected bill away from waking up with empty cupboards.

    We often hear talk of hard choices. Surely few can be harder than that faced by the tens of thousands of older people who must “heat or eat” each winter, harder than those faced by families whose wages have stayed flat while food prices have gone up 30% in just five years.

    Yet beyond even this we must, as a society, face up to the fact that over half of people using foodbanks have been put in that situation by cut backs to and failures in the benefit system, whether it be payment delays or punitive sanctions.

    On March 5th Lent will begin. The Christian tradition has long been at this time to fast, and by doing so draw closer to our neighbour and closer to God.

    There is an acute moral imperative to act. Hundreds of thousands of people are doing so already, as they set up and support foodbanks across the UK. But this is a national crisis, and one we must rise to.”

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  37. 113
    at last says:

    At last priests are making a case for abolishing benefits and giving people food stamps. thank god indeed – no more tax payers money going on Sky TV subscriptions or mind altering substances.

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  38. 118
    Anonymous says:

    All very interesting, but it doesn’t detract from the fact that Cameron is a lying f*ckwit.

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