February 14th, 2014

Totalled Recall

The Coalition agreement could not have been clearer:

“We will bring forward early legislation to introduce a power of recall, allowing voters to force a by-election where an MP is found to have engaged in serious wrongdoing and having had a petition calling for a by-election signed by 10% of his or her constituents.”

This morning, recall is dead. The Indy is blaming Cameron and Osborne, reporting that Clegg was all for it but it was vetoed by the Tories. In truth, in spite of the rhetoric from all three party leaders, there has been no appetite to let voters have the chance to boot out corrupt MPs. Last year Clegg himself flip flopped when put on the spot by Zac Goldsmith, refusing to give any sort of time frame or specifics on when he would be pushing for recall:

Zac ain’t impressed:

Given their record for dealing with their own disgraced MPs, the LibDems pretending they are “furious” today is rather lame…


122 Comments

  1. 1
    FFS says:

    Is this government actually achieving anything at all?

    Because it seems to me that it is just marking time waiting until Labour get themselves together enough to be re-elected.

    What a bloody joke.

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    • 5
      Time 2 CTRL, ALT & DEL says:

      They have done floods and terrorists and gay stuff

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      • 13

        LibDems = shitty
        Labour = dysentery
        Conservatives = diarrhoea

        UKIP = The only way to go!

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        • 16
          Davíd Cameron - utter contemptable cúnt says:

          Yes cat, and together with Gay anal sex, precisely why we don’t need working sphincter muscles these days.

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          • lojolondon says:

            The Limp Dims are furious, because they can’t bring themselves to fire anyone so they want someone else to do it for them… That will also justify years of inactivity, as they ‘wait for the voters to have their say’. Simples.

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        • 27
          Jeremiah says:

          Maybe you are right Puss, there are too many jobbies for life constituencies, how can that be right, parachuted from party HQ, the two biggest parties love the first past post system because you have a ready made voting fodder, so the poor old voter votes with their hands tied in “one party states” because no matter who they vote for, the dominant party gets in.

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          • Your jobs for life observation is surely what this is all about. Get on the gravy train and there is nothing to do any more but sit back and collect the winnings.

            They cannot be booted out – unless discovered in bed with a dead boy – a LibDem would probably even brazen that one out!

            The only way to change it is to smash the entire system.

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          • Where is my right of recall? says:

            With a rigged electoral system and no realistic means of democratic or legal recourse, what is the genuinely aggrieved citizen to do?

            I predict serious political violence in the coming years. Some of these ‘safe seat’ wallahs may find they are not as safe as they once thought they were.

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          • Chris Smith says:

            No one can kick me off the gravy train.

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        • 42
          Xavier Onassis says:

          Couldn’t agree more. Allow voters to get rid of bad MPs? Too dangerous for these creeps in Parliament! – next thing they’ll want to dictate policies!

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        • 115
          Anonymous says:

          UKIP have no recall policy.

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          • DAVE AND NICK OLIGARCHY SAY

            Indeed , building on our recent very illuminative about turn on the recall option and having regard to the legislation passed on our incumbency , to stipulate a minimum full five year term before any new General Election , we now intend to bring this parliamentary model fully uptodate by introducing a three line whip bill to extend the period of the next and any future General Elections to a future date to be determined by the governing administration at its sole discretion and not subject to appeal from any quarter.

            On current projected trends this indicates a date around 2055……

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      • 121
        Who IS Harry's dad? says:

        Don’t worry, they’ll find some other ridiculous fluff to piss about with

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    • 6
      constituency trainbound says:

      the libdems are a complete spineless joke

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    • 8
      UKIP or bust says:

      It has nothing to do with this government, if by this government you mean the coalition. It has everything to do with what the EUSSR wants, as they control 70% of our laws.

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      • 30
        Jeremiah says:

        Directives and trans Euro laws are sent to the UK, but what happens is what starts as say 100 pages by the time it is enacted is 500 pages

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    • 9
      Dave's father-in-law says:

      This government has been excellent, mind you so was the last one.

      Thank you Plebs.

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    • 11
      Weygand says:

      Er, you mean apart from the economic recovery?

      As Clinton once said, “It’s the economy, stupid”

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      • 18
        Someone working 16hrs a week says:

        Economic recovery?

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        • 119
          Jeremiah says:

          You have a jobbie, what more do you want? You no longer appear on unemployment figures so Dave is happy, if he is happy so should you be! There is or was a benfit for those on low hours but I think raised that to 25 hours from 16

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      • 32
        Gosplan says:

        You guys are building socialism faster than we did with stats like these! Well done nothing can go wrong keeping printing the money, keep lending to fund speculative property bubbles and keep letting in the workers of the world in. Oh and make sure your elite can dodge taxes and make a mint off the public cash as it gets pissed away.

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    • 19
      Long John Silver's parrot says:

      Yes they are taxing me loads.

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    • 20
      Joe Blobs says:

      When a fucking Goldsmith calls things shitty then you know it’s bad. If the four be twos are getting upset it does not bode well for the rest of us. I love the sound of breaking glass.

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      • 49
        Hugh Janus says:

        “Shitty” doesn’t even begin to describe the Tory position – or lack of – on recall. I take it the idea was to bury it, so the flooding has been damn good for the Tories in that respect.

        Just when we thought there would be a significant advance in democracy, our shitty thieving bastard politicians run away from it.

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    • 77
      Where is my right of recall? says:

      It is every citizen’s duty to remove these lying scumbags from office.

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      • 103
        I feel fubarred etc .. says:

        Violently, if necessary? Can they be offered a choice as to the methods to be employed?

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  2. 2
    Whiffler says:

    Surely ‘could not HAVE been clearer’ ?

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  3. 3
    Truthteller says:

    Quelle Surprise!

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  4. 4
    GB Educashun sux says:

    Good point,but: Could not “of” been clearer? I know your minions are likely to be the products of our now appalling education system, but some proof reading please!

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  5. 12
    An old quote but a good quote says:

    “Zac has his father’s looks and his mother’s brains”

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  7. 17
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    Why in these times of austerity are police driving around in BMW motor cars killing people?

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  8. 21

    EU court says hyperlinking doesn’t constitute copyright infringement.

    Small mercies. They have at least got that right.

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  9. 22
    Soon to be Lord Cam says:

    How exactly would a g@y divorce be based on the grounds of non consumm@tion??

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  10. 25
    ex Tory Voter says:

    Just bring the matter up every time you see a prospective MP campaigning in the next 15 months. Tell them recall needs to be the first bill the next government passes.

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  11. 28

    Didn’t think it had happened. The secretary of my MP, Richard Graham, said that his Conservative party constituency members would have to vote to chuck him. I’ll bet even in that rare likelyhood, he could still carry on as MP til the next election…

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  12. 29

    First he was Call Me Dave; then Cast Iron Dave; now Flip-flop Dave. So many nicknames.

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    • 34
      Davíd Cameron says:

      I have dropped that many bollocks that people now just call me rupture.

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      • 45
        Jane Birkin from Paris says:

        French news were giving the British floods top billing last night even though half of the West coast of France is under water.

        They accused David Cameron of having dithered and not acted fast enough in the early stages.

        Clearly they are talking complete rubbish.

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        • 50
          François Hollande says:

          So they are not talking about my poking anymore? Can I take this helmet off and come out of hiding?

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        • 98
          CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

          The French floods are not because they obeyed the EU diktat, does anyone out there seriously think that the French would allow thousands of acres of their best farm land to be destroyed on the whim of Brussels.

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          • Rightwinggit says:

            “The French floods are not because they obeyed the EU diktat…”

            So it’s because they are fuckwits, then?

            Mind you, when have the frogs ever been able to stop an incursion?

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          • Anonymous says:

            “The French floods are not because they obeyed the EU diktat…”

            So it’s because they are fuckwits, then?

            Mind you, when have the frogs ever been able to stop an incursion?

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    • 75
      Anon says:

      I prefer “fucknugget Dave”

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  13. 35
    Peter from Carrington says:

    An honorable man would resign without waiting for any recall.

    This is really the point.

    The passing of legislation is a sideshow.

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    • 105
      I feel fubarred etc .. says:

      That would then mean either:
      (a) the constituents remain unrepresented; or
      (b) replacement would entail an extra election – which of course we cannot afford in these times of austerity.

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  14. 37
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    On the subject of dodgy donations, interesting little gem from the Guardian:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/13/ukip-tories-fight-2nd-place-wythenshaww-sale-byelection

    ‘The Electoral Commission imposed a £5,500 fine on Movement for Change, a community organising group linked to the Labour candidate, for accepting impermissible donations from Lord Sainsbury, when the peer was not on the electoral register.’

    Seems that New Labour pressure group, Progress, were also fined £6,000 for the same reasons.

    Consideration was made that the groups reported the irregularities themselves once the irregularities were put into the public domain.

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    • 97
      hang on a min says:

      Talking of irregularities. Anyone thoroughly examined the postal votes
      in Wythenshawe and Sale East by-election yet?

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      • 112
        Manchester Police Commissioner says:

        The names are taken from surrounding graveyards, boosted by the large number of substance abusers who will put their name on anything for a fix.

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  15. 39
    Davíd Cameron says:

    If it was now 6th May 2010 if wonder if I could win a majority against the one eyed snotgobbler.

    By jove I reckon I could.

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  16. 43
    "Rekall, Rekall, Rekall." says:

    Bob McClane – Rekall Dreams: “Now Nick. What is it that is exactly the same about every single vacation you have ever taken?

    Nick Clegg: I give up.

    Bob McClane – Rekall Dreams: “You! You’re the same. No matter where you go, there you are. It’s always the same old you. And you’re a Khunt.

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  17. 44
    Ed Moribund says:

    Howaay! I won a very safe seat!
    See. I am erwecterble

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  18. 46
    BC says:

    Wake up chaps. Did you really expect a promise from a politician, or even a cabal of politicians, to be kept ?

    Where have you been for the last thirty years.

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    • 72
      Anon says:

      It wasn’t a promise but a pledge -a solemn promise.
      Thats like a chav swearing on his kids life and then reneging, or “not allow mon init”.

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  19. 48
    Sussex Sid says:

    Clegg has no authority to talk on this matter. He totally ignored the Handycock case for years uuntil he was left with no option because of media pressure.Shameful.

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    • 52
      Hugh Janus says:

      The Limp Dums have never been able to control their genitalia. Their motto is ‘Anything with a pulse’.

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  20. 51
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    Never mind.

    According to Facebook there are now fifty ways to swing.

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  21. 54
    Ric Holden CCHQ says:

    The Tories can stuff their manifestos full of clever promises, but if voters don’t believe them,The Tories may as well present blank sheets.

    Hear ! Hear !

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  22. 55
    Like absolute fuck he will.... says:

    Zak, of course, no doubt about it, will be resigning from the Conservative Party today…..

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    • 107
      Lord and Lady Establishment-Stooge of Brussels says:

      He’s already resigning over the Heathrow expansion stitch up !!!!

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  23. 56
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    Money is no object.

    And I mean that most sincerely.

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  24. 59
    Gideon George Osborne says:

    “Sandbags are very much the new currency”

    Hear ! Hear !

    Vote Tory !

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  25. 60
    Rick Nobinson. BBC star reporter says:

    ****Breaking News ********* Breaking News ***********

    Its Friday.

    *****Breaking News ********* Breaking News ***********

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  26. 63
    Politicians are useless says:

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  27. 65
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    I am renaming us. We will no longer be known as just ‘Con’ but rather the ‘Long Con’.

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  28. 66
    A flying seagull says:

    What has happened to all our Gold Medals Mr Cameron ?

    Whose fault is it?

    Is it the fault of that “compete mug” Milliband ?

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  29. 67
    The Lying Tit in Number 10 says:

    I’ve got plenty more promises where that one came from.

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  30. 68
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    Wythenshaw:

    Total Votes: 24024
    Postal     : 10141 (42.2%)
    Polling    : 13883 (57.8%)
    
    Party |   %   | Total | Implied Polling | Implied Postal
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    LAB   | 55.2% | 13261 |      7663       |     5598
    UKIP  | 17.9% |  4301 |      2485       |     1816
    Con   | 14.5% |  3479 |      2010       |     1469
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    LD    |  4.9% |  1176 |       680       |      496
    Other |  7.5% |  1807 |      1044       |      763
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    5% Level for loss of deposit
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    5% Lvl|  5.0% |  1201 |       507       |      694
    

    The Implied Polling / Postal assume that the populations of votes returned (postal / polling) are representative of the over proportion of votes cast.

    Will be interesting to see what the deviation in the actual figures are, but it can be concluded that UKIP were in no danger of losing their deposit last night.

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    • 71
      Damaging democracy says:

      Would anyone be surprised if at least 9500 of actual postal votes were Labour?

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      • 83
        Casual Observer 6 says:

        Well, statistically, such an event would be significant, and could suggest fraudulent activity.

        It should be noted that the 24024 votes cast in total represents 28.2% of the total possible ballot.

        71.8% of the ballot abstained.

        About 17,000 postal votes were sent out, and just over 10,000 returned.

        This implies that:

        Total Possible Ballot  ~ 85191
        Total Postal Votes     ~   20%
        Total Polling Votes    ~   80%
        
        Postal Votes Returned  ~   60%
        Polling Votes Returned ~   20%
        

        From this, it would suggest that a postal vote is 3 times more likely to be cast than an actual polling vote.

        Given that the postal votes were cast at least 1 week before the actual poll, and hence campaigning closed, this would suggest that a greater proportion of votes cast by population were cast without due consideration of the candidates campaign.

        If the postal votes were representative of the overall population one would expect a 20% return rate.

        It can be concluded that there is a skew towards a postal vote being more likely to be cast than an actual polling vote.

        The party breakdown by vote type would be of interest. If the party breakdowns were unbiased by vote types, then UKIP would still not have lost their deposit on postal votes alone last night.

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        • 95
          John Smith says:

          1) Postal votes are more likely to be used. SELF EVIDENT: If a postal vote is requested the voter is already taking an interest.

          2) The ‘uneven’ distribution of postal votes between parties could indiciate fraudulent activity. TENUOUS: Political allegiances amongst people more likely to request a postal vote, for example the old, may legitimately ‘skew’ their distribution.

          3) UKIP would not have lost their deposit on postal votes alone. SELF EVIDENT: This is then evidence of postal votes being used legitimately, and of not favouring particular parties.

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          • Casual Observer 6 says:

            If entrenched parties are found to be relying more on postal votes, and less on run up campaigns, then the postal vote is being cast in a non-free and fair manner.

            ie. The total ballot has not had free and equal access to the message of the people who are standing.

            That in itself is anti-democratic.

            If entrenched parties which are politically active are more reliant on postal votes, then perhaps their activists are more focused on voter intimidation during the campaign period to ensure low actual turnouts.

            This type of hypothesis would be in line with the anti-democratic aspect of the postal vote system.

            So to your points:

            1) How can a voter have taken an interest and cast their vote in an informed manner via the postal system on a short campaign cycle when they will be at a one week disadvantage to the polling voters in terms of access to information.

            2) Not at all. The actual data is needed to test.

            3) Not self evident at all. The actual data is not yet available.

            The actual data is important as it could be the case the UKIPs share of the postal vote was much higher than at polling. That would be at odds with some of their claims. This is important to check as it has implications for the credibility of this party.

            On the other side of the coin, if the more politically active parties, in particular Labour, are in fact gaining most of their votes on postal, then what exactly their activists are doing during the campaign period becomes a very interesting question indeed, especially considering the very low turnout seen.

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      • 90
        Democracy was damaged a long time ago says:

        Would anyone be surprised if at least 9500 of actual postal votes were forgeries?

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      • 114
        Manchester Police Commissioner says:

        No

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    • 80
      Anonymong says:

      Out of interest… where did you get the data?

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      • 86
        Casual Observer 6 says:

        Guido’s earlier post / reports last night provided the Party Voting.

        Manchester Evening News and local reporters / observers on the ground in Wythenshaw provided the total / postal / polling figures.

        If you look back at the earlier post on this blog ‘Another LibDem Sex Scandal?’, towards the bottom the relevant source data was captured.

        The implied figures above were calculated on spreadsheet – You should be able to reproduce if interested as all source data is provided.

        The data that is missing at present is the exact breakdown of postal / polling votes cast by Party.

        The figures I have calculated above are implied, applying the % total to each of the totals for polling vs. postal. That assumes Postal / Polling are representative of each other.

        With the actual breakdown it should be possible to identify if there are any significant departures from the expected values above.

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    • 82
      M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

      Are the chavs selling their PVs to the Labour activists who go round ostensibly offering to post them on their behalf?

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      • 88
        Casual Observer 6 says:

        Impossible to determine from the current data available.

        Even if actual data shows a big skew in postal towards Labour, without separate investigation such a hypothesis would be impossible to test.

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      • 94
        FFS says:

        It isn’t so much the fact that they are doing that, it is the fact that it is entirely possible to do that.

        An entirely secret ballot is the only way to ensure people cast their vote freely. Anything else belongs to third world dictatorships.

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        • 96
          Abdul the envelope stuffer says:

          Some of this sculduggery is outsourced. No reasonsable offer refused.

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          • hang on a min says:

            Labour are masters of election rigging and have been getting away with it for years.Remember Tower Hamlets,Bethnal Green,Derby,Glasgow North East and Bristol.There were dozens of criminal inquiries after the last election, but was anyone ever charged with electoral fraud?

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    • 84
      Jingle bells says:

      I suppose with a turnout like that we better get used to garbage politicians knowing they are untouchable because the public are so braindead they just don’t give a crap who is in charge, then they wonder why prices and taxes are so high, instead of politicians protecting the public they with their mates are asset stripping them.

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      • 91
        Casual Observer 6 says:

        The Party’s and Politicians rely on voter apathy in order to maintain their preferred status quo.

        The primary threat of UKIP is that previously apathetic voters are beginning to once again vote, and vote for them.

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  31. 85
    Bitish Public says:

    No one does support them, Zac. The Lib-Dems are a Party of pervs, fraudsters and weirdos.

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  32. 89
    PM DC says:

    I say chaps, if while you are pumping out your front rooms you come across any money can you send it here please – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26183880

    Pip Pip

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  33. 101
    Well done Sir says:

    Zac impressive on DP show this afternoon.

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  34. 102
    Jack Ketch says:

    Piers Morgan interviewed by the Police under Caution in connection with the hacking of telephone voice mails.
    Detective Sergeant Caution would only reveal that a 48 year old former editor of the Daily Mirror with an American chat show had been interviewed, but they could not reveal his name.

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  35. 110

    Its not very often I agree with a Tory MP but Zac Goldsmith’s Tweet says it all.

    Bang on the button.

    Shitty, dishonest, revolting, he describes British politics to a tee.

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  36. 116
    Recall Rubbish. says:

    Take a look at Zacs proposal.
    Recall is only allowed if the politicians decide there are sufficient grounds.
    Where is this returning power to the voters?
    I want a proper recall policy, not this load of crap.

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  37. 117
    Anonymous says:

    Clegg really is an insufferable tosspot isn’t he.

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  38. 120
    Tom Catesby says:

    It looks like the only way still left to get rid of the slime balls is the ballot box

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  39. 122
    mraemiller says:

    We should be able to recall MPs who overspend on their election campaigns

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Can anyone help me? I went on holiday a week ago and returned to find someone has pulled out the stake and Gordon Brown is back and acting as Prime Minister. What did I miss? Has there been a snap election?


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