February 13th, 2014

Cops Warned of Mitchell Concerns Before Plebgate Incident

The Times runs another police leak upping the pressure on Andrew Mitchell this morning. They have an email showing Downing Street police asked for advice over Mitchell’s repeated demands to break security rules and cycle through the main gates the night before it all kicked off.

00:48 September 19, 2012

“[Mitchell] keeps requesting to leave Downing Street via the main vehicle gates. [He was] adamant he WAS GOING THROUGH THOSE GATES. As it was quite late and quiet at this point and in order not to create embarrassment to himself or the DPG [Diplomatic Protection Group] he was allowed on this occasion to leave via one of the main gates.”

Regardless of where these leaks are coming from, they don’t look good for Mitchell at all…

See also: Mitchell ‘Did Call Officers F**king Plebs’


  1. 1
    Steve Miliband says:


  2. 2
    sunderland is a labour ghetto thats why its shot says:

    Its not just Mitchell all these Westminster politicos are the same arrogant,above the law and completely out of touch with the real world.The lessons of 2008 have not been learnt.Look at McMong trousering hundreds of thousands in salaries and expenses but never turning up,Yeo chair of a Select committee and only interested in himself,Pritchard trying to chat up Klass as if he were Gods gift,McShame,the distaff Becow the list goes on and on.

  3. 3
    OxfordSimon says:

    If these leaks are based on truth, why has it taken them so long to be made public? Surely the time to reveal all of this was at the time?

    Cui bono?

    The Police would never close ranks and try to protect their own – would they? Of course they would.

    I no longer trust any police utterance on this topic. As a body, they have lied and manipulated the facts and thus have lost the right to be heard.

  4. 4
    Just trying to help says:

    You can fool all of the people some of the time.

  5. 5
    Ask The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    The British police farces reputation is in tatters. They are corrupt from top to bottom. A bunch of lying fascist scum!

  6. 6


  7. 7
    Hobo humping Solbo babe says:

    Why do people take an instant dislike to Mitchell? It saves time.

  8. 8
    Vic the King of all Geordies says:

    I know how you feel,just like David Cameron does.

  9. 9
    Mylene says:

    Men are nasty.

  10. 10
    C.O.Jones says:

    The police lied and tried to fit up a senior member of govt. Find them and sack them and stop finding excuses for them Guido.

  11. 11
    Steve Miliband says:

    BBC Breaking; George Osborne to give speech saying No to currency Union

  12. 12
    Phil from Pentonville says:

    Did you say there was someone around here looking for a bunk ?

  13. 13
    C.O.Jones says:

    And sack those who tried to cover up for their colleagues. Fucking corrupt public servants, had enough of them!

  14. 14
    Ask The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

  15. 15
    Steve Miliband says:

    BBC Beakering: Glorious Labour leader to visit flooded areas today

  16. 16
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    Well is he going to tell us what his solution to the currency issue will be in response to a “Yes” vote?

    I would not be getting too excited.

  17. 17
    seriously? says:

    So what? There’s no law that says the gate has to be kept closed. He’s the fucking boss – not them. If they advise him that it’s for his own safety and he tells them he’s not bothered then they should open the gate.

    Despite what plod likes to think he’s not the one in fucking charge. And they need to be reminded of it often.

    Just because plod doesn’t like being reminded who is boss is no reason to conspire to get a government minister fired.

  18. 18
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    Who hide behind allegations of institutional rac!sm and their promotion of diversity to conceal the real corruption that exists within.

    There is a real and concerted conspiracy ongoing against M!tchell.

    Why is that ?

  19. 19
    Putting grease on a telephone pole makes it slippery says:

    Still think he was taken down by some people who thought he was climbing up the slippery pole too fast, but like all uncivil servants plod over egged the pudding, maybe some others thought they could ruin his cv completely, the truth won’t out, well not in our lifetime.

  20. 20
    seriously? says:

    No solution required. We keep on printing our money and Scottish notes are no longer legal tender. They can print whatever the fuck they like but if they print ones that look like English ones then they had better be prepared for a short sharp shock.

  21. 21
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    Is he the Boss ?

    Or is the EU the Boss of the UK police now ?

  22. 22
    Tony E says:

    My first thought is – leak or fabrication? It’s taken so long for these to appear that I suspect the latter

  23. 23
    Depressed river mussel says:

    Although not especially happy before, I am even more depressed now that the fucking stupid EA did not move us out and dredge the Thames. Fucking moron lefties.

  24. 24
    You point that end at the crim says:

    Irrelevant. He maybe a posh tosser but the police clearly HAD an agenda and SEVERAL officers were prepared to break the law in pursuing this agenda. This is THE story

  25. 25
    lojolondon says:

    Guido, why are you propagating the Biased BBC / Guardian / Labour party’s propaganda for them?

    Mitchell clearly had a habit of riding through these gates, no wonder he was annoyed when he was confronted and informed one day that he couldn’t follow his normal route home. To me this is a comment that supports Mitchell, not bad for him at all.

    But now is time to follow the money – who is endlessly drip-feeding this garbage, and what are they trying to achieve?

  26. 26
    a plea says:

    Could they all start concentrating
    on the important issues facing our

  27. 27
    QED says:

    Corrupt Lying Politicians + Corrupt Lying Plod = Corrupt Lying State

    Democracy EU = Big Corrupt Lying State

    ∴ Vote UKIP

  28. 28
    Banana Republic Britain says:

    This is the same police force that kills innocent people and then on a regular basis tries to cover it all up.

    This is the same police force that has been selling information to the press illegally for years.

    This is the same police force that drove around in cars with ‘Vote Labour’ on them.

    This is the same police force that has covered up for paedophiles for decades.

    This is the same police force that gave up investigating their own corrupt officers because there were too many of them.

    Of course I believe every word they say.

  29. 29
    Lateral Thought says:

    Are they charging you bedroom tax as well ?

  30. 30
    Davíd Cameron says:

    He isn’t the boss just a fucking pleb. I am the boss.

  31. 31
    Bluto says:

    How much has the re-emergence of this storm in a teacup to do with Labour gearing up their pre-election campaigning?

    The British police still appear to be the armed wing of New Labour with many of their high ranking apparatchiks impersonating senior police officers.

  32. 32
    The Oncoming Storm says:

    Why does it matter if he wants to cycle out the gate? Typical jobsworth plods!

  33. 33
    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    The Filth strike back.

  34. 34
    Georgy pudding and pie says:

    Is this his to attempt try and force the Scots to say no, wrong, very wrong, the Scots will say a gorgeous YES, because they will want to make their own decision and won’t want a toy Conservative telling or forcing them what to do, shame it hasn’t been called an illegal referendum as only one part of the Union has the vote as I think that’s the only other way for a no.

  35. 35
    seriously? says:


    If a decision was taken to advise him not to cycle through, for his own safety you understand, then that is a decision that should have been conveyed to him officially and personally since it was causing such consternation to the poor plod at the gate. Not, as he would see it, arbitrarily by some jumped-up twat with a gun who just happened to be on duty that day.

  36. 36
    Ask The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    It’s about time that the people reminded the police farce that we are their masters and they are our servants not the other way around!

  37. 37
    Bradley Wiggins says:

    Only a nob who looks down on the Plebs would pedal a sit up and beg bike with a wicker basket on the bars.

  38. 38
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    No, David Cameron is not the boss of anything. ;-)

  39. 39
    eric blair says:

    When they open those gates the people inside risk getting lynched.

  40. 40
    M­a­­­­q­bo­­ul says:

    Unnecessarily opens the security gates which increases the risk of a breach. If terrorists know this guy comes out at a certain time late at night it would be a great opportunity for an assault.

    Seems Mitchell had all the cheek of a mouse floating down the Thames in a matchbox expecting the Tower Bridge to open for it.

  41. 41
    The Cumbrian says:

    Surely that’s the whole point. Mitchell believed himself to be above the law and wanted to show he was superior to the Officers and could do as he pleased. I would say this demonstrates the arrogance of Mitchell and confirms in my mind that he did respond with some demeaning comment when he was quite rightly stopped from riding through the main gate.
    This information does not in any way support Mitchell in fact quite the opposite.

  42. 42
    Ask The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Physical currency will soon be a thing of the past and all money will be created/spent electronically.

  43. 43
    A cheeky scouser says:

    Money is no object

  44. 44
    Lost in the wilderness says:

    I believe the incident happened as reported by the original officer. BUT those prast in the police federation skewed it to their advantage and apparently damn well lied. The off duty policeman lied and has been punished. But who was the member of public that reportedly saw and heard the incident and claimed Michel did not use the pleb word? Portillo has stated it is a word used by Michel but that is not damning in itself. Lord knows how this will be resolved as, at the moment their is no conclusive evidence either way.

  45. 45
    Moley says:

    Sorry to go off topic.

    The EU is planning the forced confiscation of savings and pensions in order to “address” Europe’s financial problems. The EU Government will of course decide, (with its customary degree of competence), how to allocate those vast resources so that most of them end up in the pockets of the EU politicians and their friends.


    Anybody have an Irish pension?

    Anybody have a pension with a Scottish company which may end up as a Eurozone asset?

    The EU is becoming a serious threat to every European citizen.

  46. 46
    seriously? says:

    If the UK declared the election illegal that would be just another ‘reason’ for the Little Scotlanders to claim a ‘YES’. It would be the T*ries forcing them to stay against their will.

    No matter what UK politicians say it’s claimed, by the Little Scotlanders, as a reason to vote ‘YES’.

    Fuck ‘em. Let them vote ‘YES’ or ‘NO’. I don’t give a shit. I don’t live there. It won’t affect me.

  47. 47
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    Difficult when they hold the guns, and you don’t.

    The UK population is in a state of de-facto dictatorship, and has been for a while.

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    Diabolical, wilfully ignorant, head in the sand, nimbyist Maximus says:

    mornin’ all. Any climate change today?

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    Casual Observer 6 says:

    The EU is a serious threat : It also has no legitimacy.

    This almost feels like a cheaper rerun of the US confiscation of Gold from its citizens during the depression years.

    The difference is that the government there paid their people something, and did not explicitly engage in an act of theft.

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    seriously? says:

    So what if he made a ‘demeaning’ comment? When confronted with some jumped-up little shit acting way beyond his pay-grade and competency who wouldn’t get frustrated?

    I think plod realised he’d thrown his weight around a little too much with the wrong person and got his retaliation in first.

  52. 52
    A flying seagull says:

    And who in their right mind puts a heavy security lock around his handlebars ?

    That in itself is surely enough to exclude him from Cabinet Office.

  53. 53
    Mince says:

    Open the fucking gate you lazy Plod tossers.

  54. 54
    Environment Agency says:

    Money was no object when we wanted to build a bird sanctuary.

  55. 55
    Lost in the wilderness says:

    I think it is standard orders not to open the vehicular gates for pedestrians. I would imagine that as there are heavily armed police guarding the entrance, opening a large entrance for pedestrians would causes an unecessary security risk. And if he goes through the vehicular gate then why nit everyone, and why have a pedestrian gate. FFS the pedestrian gate is less that 10 meters away. Seems like it was more of a power struggle….Let me through…..No I wont. Storm in a teacup whipped up by the opposition/media/agenda driven federation.

  56. 56
    seriously? says:

    Tell you what Sally, have John buy them the latest tech and put the bill on our expenses eh? There’s a love.

    Oh you have?

  57. 57
    Django of Tunbridge Wells! says:

    Mitchell looks like a prig and acts like one. I’ve no time for police that lie nor politicians that think themselves so grand that they are above mere mortals. Both Mitchell and the Policemen who behaved disgracefully should be given their P45s. The fact that such an insignificant event should have boiled over into public life speaks volumes for the lack of judgement of all concerned

  58. 58
    Ask The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    They couldn’t even handle the riots a few years back, 60 million of us against a thin blue line of lefty box ticking mongs.

    No contest :-)

  59. 59
    M.Barosso says:

    Oh my friend Daveed!, You make me laugh off my socks!

  60. 60
    C.O.Jones says:

    I hope his wellies have dried from his previous visit.

  61. 61
    Mark Carney says:

    I am working on it now .

  62. 62
    peterthe painter says:

    Scottish notes aren’t legal tender.


  63. 63
    i don't need no doctor says:

    So far the police and police federation have been found to be lying. Hogan-Howe has apologised to Mitchell. It’s all been stacked in Mitchell’s favour, so why are we now seeing an anti-Mitchell agenda. It stinks.

  64. 64
    Skeleton Bob says:

    All this information does is to further confirm the police conspiracy against Mitchell. The police (or a section of the police led by their union) don’t like to be shown up for the liars they are undoubtedly are.

  65. 65
    Bikers are tossers, because they believe they are above the law, traffic lights no worry says:

    It’s a prop to get noticed, you noticed the bike and the nob on it, so it worked, just like the geriatric Vince the expert Cable with his hat.

  66. 66
    Dangermouse says:

    I thought he was the Chairman of UK PLC .

  67. 67
    Erm.. says:

    I suspect he put it there when not in use!

  68. 68
    i don't need no doctor says:

    This where we need a good investigative journalist. Pity there aren’t any!

  69. 69
    Sally Bee says:

    Just to confirm that despite the bad weather my legs are still open for business.

  70. 70
    Nick Clegg says:

    Is it time for me to suck your cock yet?

  71. 71
    Lost in the wilderness says:

    Actually their boss is the Queen. Thankfully they are still crown servants and not, ultimately, sevants of Parliament. He would have no power/authority over any police officer.

  72. 72
    Ed Millibandwagon says:

    Help me! My wellieth are thinking!

  73. 73
    Dave Likes a Big One Up the Arse says:

    I have my round my sissy c_ck till Sam unlocks me before using me as her strap on slave.

  74. 74
    Shooty* says:

    Whoa, hang on: I thought we all loved Mitchell again now. As i don’t need no doctor says, what’s going on here?

  75. 75
    Mitch says:

    Better to let Mitchell and his mates get carried away with the recriminations and dig themselves into a hole before revealing this damming evidence. Which is exactly what has happened.

  76. 76
    M.Barosso says:

    Oh I like you Nickelarse, I will make you my “special” friend

  77. 77
    Skeleton Bob says:

    And you think the police is not arrogant, deceitful and thinking it is above the law? Sheesh.

  78. 78
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    +Infinity to the power infinity!

  79. 79
    God's Holy Trousers says:

    Mitchell strikes me as a right arrogant winker, but plod have to accept some blame for this.

  80. 80
    Lost in the wilderness says:

    Absolutley, although I don’t think it would get anywhere now. Too many reputations on the line.

  81. 81
    Mitch says:

    The police have been saying all along that this was all true. But, not having strong evidence, they’ve let Mitchell call the shots. Now there is evidence. Maybe this was their plan all along – give Mitchell enough rope?

  82. 82
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    The Howe apology was an admission of liability: The police officially recognized that they had crossed a line.

    Anti-M!tchell sentiment now in order to compromise his seat, or provoke a deselection ?

  83. 83
    Diabolical, wilfully ignorant, head in the sand, nimbyist Maximus says:

    21st century UKreign – no Brave New World stuck in a permanent 1984, but Fahrenheit 451: where the police do not investigate the facts, but fabricate them.

  84. 84
    seriously? says:

    There’s nothing damning about it.

    Plod had reservations about opening the gate. And that’s it.

    So what? It’s no use having reservations if you don’t sit down and explain to Mitchell that while, technically he’s the boss, you’d really prefer it if he didn’t demand the gate be opened because that produced a window of opportunity for the Religion of Peace to ‘enrich’ Downing Street.

    You don’t just tell some low-level plod ‘Next time he tries that tell the c*u*n*t to use the side door like everybody else’.

    And if you do then you can expect some push-back.

  85. 85
    C.O.Jones says:

    Evidence, what evidence?

  86. 86
    Mitch (no relat.) says:

    You have no evidence for any of that. Mitchell looks like exactly the kind of guy who would behave in the way described.

    The police aren’t saints, but on this one I believe their story much more than Mitchell’s.

  87. 87
    John Prescott says:

    A chicken shawarma with garlic sauce, two doner kebabs with chili sauce, three chicken vindaloos, a sag aloo, pilau rice, a peshwari naan, onion raitha, an extra large deep pan meat lovers pizza, potato wedges, garlic bread, a 2 litre bottle of Coke, a chocolate cheesecake, a hot fudge sundae, a lamb rogan josh, bombay aloo and a bottle of Cobra.

    And for my main I’d like 25 Big Macs and 14 large fries.

  88. 88
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    It was well recognized that senior police commanders ordered officers to stand down and allow those riots to develop.

    When they did move in, the disturbances were shut down fairly quickly.

    The point is, when the state holds the guns and a population is unable to defend itself using similar force, the population is in an oppressed state.

    The state of that oppression is shifting from an acceptable one to one that is becoming increasingly unacceptable to many people now.

    Police fitting up an elected member of Parliament is an example of this shift.

    The photo above of the shouty guy with a bike with his back to the wall, with an armed Police officer controlling his movements is very much to this point also.

  89. 89
    A member of the public says:

    I have no problem with the police being required to respectfully open the gates for an MP to walk through, whenever the MPs wants. The police should show some comon sense: Members of Parliament are not a security threat. They should show MPs far more respect than they do.

  90. 90
    Mitch (no relat.) says:

    These emails both complaining about the same behaviour earlier, and the new statement of a witness.

  91. 91
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    We the people pay their over inflated salaries. They are there to serve the public.

  92. 92
    seriously? says:

    Man calls Plod a ‘pleb’ – loses job.

    I’ve no doubt he did call plod something or other. So fucking what?

    Awww poor ickle policeman. That nasty man said something mean to him. Awwwww.

  93. 93
    Mitch (no relat.) says:

    “The Howe apology was an admission of liability..”

    No it wasn’t. It was an apology in the face of the evidence available at the time. IMO this new evidence shows that Mitchell behaved in exactly the same way before, and therefore makes it much more likely that the police were telling more or less the truth about the “Plebgate” incident.

  94. 94
    Chris Smith Predatory Gayer says:

    £30k for a Gay Pride march.

    Sure no problem, where do I sign?

  95. 95
    alister says:

    Cycling on the footway (pavement) is an offence under Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835 as amended by Section 85 (1) of the Local Government Act 1888.

    Therefore Mitchell was asking to be allowed to follow the law. If the police had gone to him and said “look it takes longer for us to open the main gates, than it does for you to come up to the pedestrian gate and get through. So can you do us both a favour and use the pedestrian gate?” it would have been handled better

    What it looks like what happened was someone was looking for a reason to “get him”. As in the feeling that Mitchell needs to be put in his place.

  96. 96
    Di-Ann Fatbutt says:

    You’re my kinda guy Johnno

  97. 97
    A member of the public says:

    When did it become ‘the law’ that the police can prevent a person going about their lawful occasions and decided when it is or is not permitted for thenm to ask for a gate to be openned for them?

  98. 98
    Mitch (no relat.) says:

    The problem is his aggressive and abusive behaviour towards the police, who were actually there to help him.

  99. 99
    seriously? says:

    New statement? Hahahahaha.

    Is this a statement from a paid-up member of the Labour party? A policeman who was at home when the incident happened? Hearsay?

    Pull the other one.

  100. 100
    Dangermouse says:

    Mitchell is innocent.

  101. 101
    Anonymous says:

    Maybe this is why Mitchell is being persued…

    “Mitchell expressed support for the idea of a televised appeal for Gaza on the BBC in 2009, a subject which had aroused much controversy on both sides of the argument. He said that, while the matter was ultimately for the BBC to decide, “We believe that they should allow the broadcast to proceed so that the British public, who have proved themselves so generous during recent emergencies in the Congo and Burma, can make their own judgement on the validity of the appeal”.”


    He probably upset the z’ioloons with this proposal, and as all on here know, that is strictly verboten and very career limiting.

  102. 102
    seriously? says:

    If they’re there to help then they could have helped by unlocking the gate.

  103. 103
    Putin is gay and so is his horse says:

    As Silly and Little John have a spare house, there’s no real need for the taxpayers to provide them with one.

  104. 104
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    No wonder we had 100 mile an hour winds last night :-)

  105. 105
    A member of the public says:

    Because he expected them to treat him reasonably and they were too pompous to do that.

  106. 106
    C.O.Jones says:

    That is not evidence as to the alleged event. That evidence if anything is damaging to the police showing their dislike of a senior member of govt. They have singled him out and got him the next night.

    This email indicts the police and shows a conspiracy if anything.

  107. 107
    An MP is no security threat? says:

    Mike Hancock?
    George Galloway?
    Caroline Lucas?
    Tim Yeo?

  108. 108
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    If Mitchell stands for reelection and is reelected then his Electorate will be voting for a spent force, and a force which will have been spent by his own stupidity.

    Best for the country to move on.

  109. 109
    Fish says:

    Surprised that after all that has happened and coppers facing disciplinary action, that the police continue to leak stories about this.

    It also seems that the coppers’ union were stirring things up which probably explains given the unions’ relationship with the BBC where Newsnight was getting its stories from and why they kept it going.

  110. 110
    Mitch (no relat.) says:

    Downing St is a restricted area and may be exempt from this and other laws.

    In any case, there were rules in place about who can go where and when. These rules are there to protect people in an area that is, for example, a prime target for terrorists.

    Mitchell knew these rules and arrogantly tried to break them. He then got ar*y with the police who’s job it is to protect him. That is his ‘crime’.

    Personally, I think he deserved everything he got. If I’d done the same thing I’d have been arrested, so actually he got off lightly.

  111. 111
    It's just a fucking gate says:

    It is not against the law to cycle down a road and go through a gate.

    Even in the Labour party’s wettest dream, this is still not agains the law.

    The police are there as servants to those inside Downing St, they are not fucking prison officers.

  112. 112
    Hackers-R-Us says:

    Can’t wait.

  113. 113
    The BBC says:

    We join the whole nation in extending our sincere condolences to the Benn dynasty.

  114. 114
    seriously? says:

    They used to. Until Gordon Brown, Jacqui Smith and the useless Sp*eak*er Ma*rt*in conspired to have an opposition MP arrested. In the Houses of Parliament FFS. On wholly trumped-up national security charges. And they were. Wholly fucking manufactured charges.

    Once you’ve given plod a green light like that there’s no stopping the fuckers.

  115. 115
    Ah! wish this was my quote says:

    I did not become an atheist due to lack of information but due to an excess of it.

  116. 116
    Bricktop says:

    Have you been arrested & smartened up up a little by those nasty plods at some time in the past Axe the telly tax ? Or maybe stopped for speeding & spoken to rather sharply in your opinion ? Get a grip you moron, not all cops are bent, just a tiny minority, similar in fact to most walks of life.

  117. 117
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    Any apology is an admission of liability.

    Remember that in case you are tempted to apologize to anyone who has accused you of wrongdoing, especially if there could be criminal implications.

    How is M!tchell’s relationship with T’heresa M’ay ?

  118. 118
    Tax-Payer says:

    Where are you living while renting your house out?

    Who is paying for where you live?

    It’s me, isn’t it?

  119. 119

    Never mind that. If you don’t get all that water mopped up there won’t be any Second Coming.

    Not even for Chris Smith.

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    Skeleton Bob says:

    Lynched? There were no people there to worry about rope abuse. Look at the tapes FFS.

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  123. 123
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    So the other week M!tchell called for stop and search powers to be stripped from the police ?


  124. 124
    Not believing Plod says:


    Lies piled on lies and they’re getting desperate.

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    Dave says:

    Yippee! I’m borrowing another £250 MILLION today, same as yesterday and every other fucking day — and all the cnuts are worrying about is some fucking idiot ex-minister and bent plods endlessly crapping on about whether the rude cnut could cycle through some gates.

    THE U.K. IS UTTERLY FUCKED — Haven’t I done well?

  127. 127
    Lefty Retard Spotter says:

    Only because you’re a lefty retard.

  128. 128
    Putin likes it up his Aris from his gay horse says:

    The gate’s weren’t needed until politicians started shitting their pants in fear of some crackpot papist or muzzy. Now it’s easier for them to have a crack at members of the public (or take a job in the establishment) so the PM of the day doesn’t need to worry about chucking afew of his own bombs around.

  129. 129
    Skeleton Bob says:

    Yes the tapes clearly show aggressive behaviour by Mitchell. FFS, you thick twat, look at them.

  130. 130
    seriously? says:

    So do I. So what? The bloke was in the habit of riding out the gate. One night, with no warning they decide that they’re not going to open it. How would you react. He’s a senior govt minister FFS. He’s entitled to have a bit of a a warning via a quiet chat from some senior security chap.

    ‘Look Mitch, I know you like to ride out but we’re concerned it’s becoming predictable to the religion of peace, could you, you know, find it in your heart to go out the side gate…’

    I’m sure he’d have no problem with that.

    As opposed to being stopped one night out of the blue by, what to him, is just some random uniform with a superiority complex. Take control. I’ve got a gun. I’m important. You all do as I say.

    Oh do fuck off and open the gate, there’s a good chap.

  131. 131
    The most amusing claim ever says:

    NOT as well as your predecessor Dave….you’re just a beginner compared to HIM

  132. 132
    Mitch (no relat.) says:

    How often have you said sorry to someone in the street or at work when actually you haven’t done anything wrong?

    Howe’s apology was more “sorry if you were upset by this”. That isn’t an admission of liability.

  133. 133
    Judge Dreadful says:

    This is self-serving stuff of very little weight.

  134. 134
    Letting agent says:

    If they want the latest tech, tell them to sodding well buy it for themselves or find somewhere else to live. Then they can take it with them when they do a moonlight flit and you are then nothing out of pocket,except of course the unpaid rent.

  135. 135
    The most amusing claim ever says:

    You DID remember to turn the bath taps off before we went on holiday didn’t you ?

  136. 136
    seriously? says:


    Now, open the fucking gate. Pleb.

  137. 137
    Tax-Payer says:

    Plod should know their place.

    They exist to serve the public.

  138. 138
    The bastards says:

    European Union’s impact on British lives revealed

    Government’s ‘Balance of Competences’ review will highlight the negative effects of European environmental and transport rules on British businesses and households


  139. 139
    UKIP for whiners says:

    A news organisation being investigated for hacking by the police prints leaked material that benefits the police in an unrelated way.

  140. 140
    Mitch (no relat.) says:

    What he said was aggressive.

  141. 141
    skynewsateleven says:

    fucking tories, always think they are better than everyone else – even Christopher Chope MP calls HoC staff ‘servants’ – fucking tosser – now he’s refusing to see constituents following flooding in Christchurch, who’s council is charging £7.50 a sandbag


    vile, vile tories

  142. 142
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    His private activities in Afr!ca also upset some by inadvertently allowing Ch!nese competition in. Particularly in R’wanda / East C’ongo.

    His interests are coffee / chocolate, the upset trade relates to minerals used in the electronics industry.

    But this latest round is likely to be much closer to home and perhaps connected with stop and search / The Home office.

  143. 143
    Paniagua V5.1 says:

    ‘they are not fucking prison officers’

    May they should be?

  144. 144
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Is that you Constable Savage?

  145. 145
    Liebour scum detector says:

    “Dave’s” contribution above, is of course written by one of his predecessor’s supporters. Please understand some of the trolling that goes on in these forums

  146. 146
    The police are our servants, not our masters says:

    If Mitchell stands for reelection and is reelected then his Electorate will be voting for him to be their representative; a representaitive who will be entitled to all the respect due to a Member of Parliament by any policeman on duty, no matter how self-important the policeman feels.

    Best for the country to remember that an insult to an elected MP is an insult to us all.

  147. 147
    seriously? says:

    I’m with C.O. Jones on this.

    They had concerns with a senior govt minister so, rather than address him directly they, in their arrogance directed some low-level plod to confront him at the gate.

    They have no fucking respect these police. That’s their problem.

  148. 148
    Nick says:

    I first broke my story here ages ago.

  149. 149
    Skeleton Bob says:

    Guido. What a cop sucker.

  150. 150
    Anonymous says:

    When the f’king MPs show the electorate some respect then maybelod should.

  151. 151
    Officer Double-Bubble says:

    “Mitchell looks like exactly the kind of guy who would behave in the way described”

    Great. Can we use that rule to shake up the darkies?

  152. 152
  153. 153
    skynewsateleven says:


  154. 154
    seriously? says:

    ‘Personally, I think he deserved everything he got.’

    Wow. Lose your job for calling plod a ‘pleb’. Not even a ‘c*u*n*t’, mind you.

    You’re not a plod yourself are you?

  155. 155
    Anonymous says:

    When that happens expect the barter system to take off.

  156. 156
    Anonymous says:

    * sigh *

    Opening that gate is a ‘vehicle movement.’ It’s a security protocol in one of the most heavily-monitored and defended non-military parts of the UK.

    The Old Bill on the gate are following their orders, which is not to open a big fuck-off gate for a bike.

    None of us know what happened. But what we do know is that the coppers on the gate had been instructed only to open it for official vehicle moves. Those are the rules.

    Mr. Mitchell obviously thought the rules were onerous. Tough. He should be bigger than that, and so began an episode that made everyone look shabby.

    If the gates had been open and a vehicle forced its way through, anyone from a bloke in a batman costume to a suicide bomber, David Davis would be making a fuss about police incompetence.

    You can’t win.

  157. 157
    Letting agent says:

    Well, is she is their boss it’s time she got down to sorting them out – and telling Dave to get on with his Great Repeal Act of all this effin tripe we are having to put up with daily.

  158. 158
    Liebour scum detector says:

    No sweetheart, Tories just know they are better than Liebour scum-suckers like you!

    Liebour just hate everyone indigenous to the country, which is why they try so hard to destroy it.

  159. 159
    seriously? says:

    Awwww, poor wee plod with his gun. That man called me a ‘pleb’ mummy. I cried myself to sleep. I felt so emasculated. Awwwww. Bless.

  160. 160
    C.O.Jones says:

    That does seem to be the case. Strange for a libertarian.

  161. 161
    Tommy Twp says:

    What “law” is Mitchell supposed to have considered himself to be above, – he did not refuse to follow a lawful instruction issued to him by a serving police officer, simply complained that a request he made was rejected.
    Whether Mitchell is a twat or not is irrelevant. That the police and their federation attempted to stitch him up is very relevant.
    Who is to say that Mitchell did not say ” You f**cking PLODS should be supporting us”?
    Given that their eyesight was clearly defective that night having reported several people milling around outside the gates perhaps their hearing is not too good either.

  162. 162
    Lord Bumwatch says:

    Fact is Mitchell has to go as the evidence is mounting!
    Bye Bye

  163. 163
    Nick says:

    BBC BREAKING : New Conservative HQ to be fitted with a bike rack. Bikes with wider saddles to be supplied for female staff to amuse a hard-workng BBC reporter.

  164. 164
    Anonymous says:

    This scriptwriting team are really good aren’t they? More rewrites than Gone with the Wind.

  165. 165
    ACPO says:

    Oi, that is supposed to be a State secret. Report to the nearest re-education centre at once as you need working on a bit more.

  166. 166
    Lord Bumwatch says:

    What a loadatosh!

  167. 167
    seriously? says:

    What ‘evidence’?

    There is no ‘evidence’?

  168. 168
    Charlie says:

    Until 20-30 years plenty of ex- service men ,usually NCOs from top units such as RMC, Paras, /Special Forces used to join Police who had considerable experience of exercising authority in difficult situations. Consequently, they had proved themselves and were not insecure. Nowadays these sorts often go into private security. Consequently, the Police has too many insecure people who lack judgement. If one looks at cases where Police misconduct is reported in the newspapers it is usually because of immature officers with poor judgement. I am sure that if the Police at Downing Street had included NCOs who had worked undercover in N Ireland , the whole situation could have been resolved in a mature manner.

    The Police could have said ” Sir if it becomes common knowledge that we open the main gate to let you out and it comes to the attention of terrorists, then they could ram the gates. When I served in N Ireland there were plenty of look outs working for terrorists and it was not always possible to identify them.” Senior NCOs from elite units have a knack of putting people in their positions without swearing or name calling.

  169. 169
    PDubya says:

    The fact that police leaking appears to be turning into a flood of late makes you want to ask the question “how high up the food chain is this being sanctioned”?

  170. 170
    ACPO Urban Warfare Manual Vol II says:

    Nothing a few well aimed petrol bombs couldn’t fix fairly quickly. Plus set up a special unit to follow these fuckers home so you know where to look for them.

  171. 171
    ACPO Urban Warfare Manual Vol II says:

    Why is there never a suicide bomber with a truckload of high explosives around when you need one?

  172. 172
    Ned Ludd says:

    Surely the whole thing about whether the gate is opened or not boils down to security, and when the double gates are opened then the road into No. 10 etc is a lot less secure, available for some mad muzzy in a lorry, for example. All right, the road looked empty that night, but if Mitchell wants it opened every night that sets a pattern for watchers, and a single gate can, if attacked, be held by a single man with a rifle. When it comes to the crunch, the coppers have to provide enough manpower to secure the gates and at that time of night it becomes more problematic. No? Not that I hold any brief for either side. They are all as bent as my old headmaster.

  173. 173
    Big box fella says:

    Cos politicians always tell the truth. Oh wait

  174. 174
    Tax-Payer says:

    The plod involved are not just lying fuckwits, they are also such fucking simpletons that they cannot even fabricate a set of lies that are self-consistent.


  175. 175
    John Bellingham says:

    Ah, Nostalgia! It ain’t what it used to be.
    Back in the early 1970s I had a night job at a West End Restaurant and a bed-sit in Pimlico. I often took a stroll on the way home down Whitehall and cut through Downing Street the Horse Guards. In the early hours of the morning the copper on the door of No. 10 would greet me. A smartly dressed chap in a uniform and not the garb of an extra from “Starship Strormtroopers” with their cold, empty, stares and fixation for chewing gum.
    I even had photos of myself and various foreign girlfriends taken on the doorstep in the late 1970s.

    TRIVIA: I just looked this up. The Public right of way concerning Downing Street has never been revoked. The only powers that the Metropolitan Police have to prevent passage through the road is that in Common Law where they may act to prevent a breach of the peace. Of course if one wants to argue the point with a couple of psychopaths armed with Hekler & Koch MP5s and Glock 17s one might wish to be circumspect.

  176. 176
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Haven’t you got any boxes to tick, you lefty wanker?

  177. 177
    Fat Eric says:

    Call that a breakfast? I had more than that with my milk and cookies at beddy-byes

  178. 178
    Tax-Payer says:

    £7.50 per sandbag does not sound outrageous.

    Even if it were, people are free to buy them elsewhere.

    Or the council could raise their taxes and provide them without further charge, but either way, you’re paying for it.

    There’s no such thing as free. Even people who’s only job is to put sand in bags, have to be paid and that means the cost has to be met.

    It’s fucking simple really.

  179. 179
    Anon says:

    I see you didn’t get an answer.

    I bet he’s on the overbloated payroll somewhere…

  180. 180
    Anne Arquist says:

    If Mitchell had been a company director cycling out through the factory gates, it would surely be expected that the security guard would recognize him and help him on his way with a greeting. We obviously can’t expect this from the thick, thuggish liars that infest the police.

  181. 181
    Hobo humping Solbo babe says:

    This following statement is what one of his own relatives said upon receiving a text when the story broke “The git has finally been caught”. Mr Mitchell is arrogant and rude to everyone including his own family. If you go around spitting in everyones face, you will end up being hated.

  182. 182
    Anon says:

    There is a shill for the Police Federation trolling on here today.

  183. 183
    Hari Enfeeld says:

    Plod, know your limits.

  184. 184
    Anonymous says:

    Except that this leak demonstrates that Mitchell had every expectation that, the evening before having been allowed to go through the gate, the same courtesy was extended to him again. Teh fact that the police noted his use of the gate compounds matters for them; they knew he would be likely to expect to use the main gate.

    Only if they can produce the memo that was handed to Mitchell the following morning that detailed why the policy was being changed and why he would, in future be asked to wheel his bike through the side gate would this work in the police’s favour.

    Added to which this is now another leak of sensitive and confidential material from probably the most sensitive police post in the country.

    Still looks like more poor handling by the police and their advocates.

  185. 185
    seriously? says:

    I fully appreciate all that. But if Mitchell was in the habit of cycling out – in breach of protocol – then he needed to be advised by somebody a bit more senior that things were going to be different from now on. Otherwise it just ap*pea*rs to Mitchell as if the new boy on the gate is just being a jumped-up little prick.

    I think Mitchell probably reminded him who was boss and, faced with, in his mind, a bollocking and 20 years of traffic duty he decided to get his retaliation in first.

    Badly handled by all concerned. But plod really went the extra mile in having somebody perjure themselves to ‘get’ Mitchell.

  186. 186
    John Bellingham says:

    Actually no. Downing Street remains a public thoroughfare and the public still have the right-of way under the Highways Act of 1980. The police may only restrict access if they believe that a breach of the peace may occur. The actual buildings in Downing Street though do fall under other legislation–but not the street or the footpath.

  187. 187
    German coast guard radio says:

    Vot are zey thinking? Hallo, hallo…

  188. 188
  189. 189
    Mitch says:

    Don’t you know who I am?

  190. 190
    Plod come with ready supplied bangers and mash says:

    When I was 15 in about 1960 I got stopped by a poxy cop for riding my bike on the pavement. I was in the middle of doing my paper round at the time. Happily I got away without a police caution so my CV remains clean!

  191. 191
    Johnny says says:

    “The Old Bill on the gate are following their orders, which is not to open a big fuck-off gate for a bike.”

    Then they shouldn’t have been doing it. But they did. Enough times for Mitchell to have a shit fit when they said no.

  192. 192
    Just trying to help says:

    Constantly revisiting irrelevant issues is perhaps the reason the country is in the mess it is

  193. 193
    wrinkled weasel says:

    Very senior chap asks functionary to open gate. Functionary goes all jobsworth and awkward. Very senior chap is pissed off. A difference of opinion occurs, in which the functionary gets his mate to lie, in order to back him up. The very senior chap loses his job and the mate goes to jail.

    FFS, it was only a gate. Are they quite mad?

  194. 194
    Anonymous says:

    2 days of Plebgate front page stories/headlines in the Times – hmmmmm – anything to do with the fact that Andrew Mitchell issued a libel writ against the Sun last March?
    Is it coming to court soon?


  195. 195
    seriously? says:

    Ahhh. That does make more sense. That explains why Guido is stirring shit on behalf of his paymaster.

    He’ll be getting a regular slot in Private Eye soon with his cross-media ‘revelations’ masquerading as news.

  196. 196
    Anonymous says:

    Does anybody know if the Police Federation is funding the copper’s libel action against Mitchell? This is pertinent. If Mitchell has to pay for his defence, then it’s not fair if the litigant has endless funds behind him.

  197. 197
    Anonymous says:

    I’m not defending the actions of anyone concerned in this. But Andrew Mitchell wasn’t ‘The Boss.’ He’s no more entitled to refuse directions from Old Bill as you or me.

    Furthermore, given his position, he should have been more gracious. He was the bloody chief whip. *He* should have brought it up with the police chain of command, not given it his ‘thrasher’ act with the bloke on the gate.

    Mitchell displayed a staggering lack of class consistent with his reputation as a bit of a bully. The cops who came up with a load of lies disgraced themselves and their colleagues. Strange days. But the attitude on this comments section is interesting: Mitchell is a politician and ‘The Boss’ meanwhile the cop on the gate is ‘Plod’ who should STFU and do what he’s told. I thought this was a site where people with a sceptical attitude to politicians congregated: I expect powerful, well-paid, mature men like Andrew Mitchell, men who have done well out of the public purse, to show some bloody manners. He didn’t.

  198. 198
    Anon says:

    But it is against the law to ride a bike during the hours of darkness (00.48 hrs) without lights. We have yet to see any lights fitted to his bike in any of the pics floating around the media so the chances are he was sans illumination on 19 Sep 2012….

    Book him Danno – moyder one!

  199. 199
    Sick of the greed and lies(still) says:

    I can’t get my head around the consternation that he used “Pleb” and not the fact that he swore at the Police.
    I know which word would get me thrown in the back of a Police van if I said it to a Bobby on the beat.
    I do think this story has run it’s course though.

  200. 200
    Weygand says:

    Guido wants it to be true so it is true.

    It’s the North Korean genes fighting through – if I was his uncle I would be running for cover.

  201. 201

    The police are useless cowards there is a video of them pissing themselves with fear during a confrontation with a muslim mob ,who are openly laughing at the white livered bastards .

  202. 202
    Spartacus says:

    i saw a cyclist yeronor. i feared for my life. so i shot im frew the ed seven times.

    well done constable, you committed no crime

  203. 203
    Displaced Brummie says:

    You DO realise that this provides motive and evidence that there WAS a police conspiracy BEFORE the incident in question?

  204. 204
    Displaced Brummie says:

    And had he cycled on the footway as instructed, they’d have done him for cycling on the pavement! Win-win for the bent Rozzers and trebles all round at the Police Federation club!

  205. 205
    Anonymous says:

    This does paint Mitchell in a bad light;

    1) The night before then ‘plebgate’ incident he was challenged by Police regarding his use of the main gates. He is therefore well aware that his use of the gate is inappropriate. Regardless of who he is, the policy regarding use of the main gates is clear. It is for vehicular access only. I very much suspect two things in relation to his previous use of the gate; some officers were lax, or lazy, others, well aware of how it might look, were unwilling to challenge AM.

    2) The officer submitting this email is clearly concerned about antagonising Government ministers and creating an avoidable situation. This isn’t shit stirring, it’s diplomacy. Downing Street and the gates are frequently host to tourists, press etc. It would be damaging and unprofessional for a confrontation to play out in front of any of these. The officer is looking for support from his superior to resolve the issue.

    3) Of all the words and all the phrases ‘Pleb’ is the most obscure and unlikely word an officer could make up. That has always been the thing that leads to my doubt. A confrontation with a respected senior member of Government swearing at Police was serious enough, and AM admits swearing. I doubt officers have heard him use the word before, yet I believe it is known that he HAS used it before.

  206. 206
    Weygand says:

    “I very much suspect” … “I very much doubt”.. all speculation built on generalities which ‘prove’ nothing and could just as much be used to prove the contrary.

    1. Mitchell objected to the police making him use the side gate
    2. This was on record
    3. Use this to accuse him of something that would be impossible to disprove – something that just the mention of it would make people hate him – and he would be done up like a kipper.

    The latest info doesn’t paint Mitchell in any light save for that commentators bring to bear on it.

  207. 207
    Hell for Leather says:

    Have been curious about Guido’s pickups yesterday and today of The Times stories on this — only for Dan Hodges to knock them down later each day for the garbage they are.

    But comments under the latest Hodges piece make an interesting point on why The Times is taking it to Mitchell (of whom I am no fan, by the way).

    The Times is sister paper of The Sun, which is being sued by Mitchell. And Guido has a column in the Sunday edition of ?

  208. 208
    Hello, hello? says:

    Well spotted ! Forward it to #205 below!

  209. 209
    Weygand says:

    The most relevant observation to date. Bravo

  210. 210
    FairTrialsForAll says:

    Police incapable of referring upwards so that a senior liaison officer could inform all using Downing Street that visitors using Downing St entrance cannot be let through – without exception – except when in cars?
    Except that then the question can be raised – what’s so bleedin’ security-proof about letting a car through and not a bike?
    Ans. It’s not. it has nothing to do with security. ‘It’s just themz gatez so ‘eavy, see, and I gotta bad back guv.’
    Which is fair enough, but then say so: stop all the routine lying, coppers.
    They lie so much that not even the opposite of what they say is the truth.

  211. 211
    FairTrialsForAll says:

    ‘Pleb’ is a word used routinely on the London street – you can even hear it on council estates. “They think we just plebs.”
    When you take all the lying pseudo-corroboration out of it, it’s one person’s word against another. Stop trying to dress it up as a ‘case’.
    Honestly, coppers.

  212. 212
    Anonymous says:

    Yup – couldn’t agree more – see 194

  213. 213
    Traycee says:

    and all I get is a nibble on your chippolata, Prezza.

  214. 214
    Late entrant says:

    I ‘ve just checked my diary and now recall I was walking past Downing Street on “the night before”. I distinctly heard a policeman say to a certain cyclist “get stuffed you toff, use the side gate like the rest of your lot”.

  215. 215
    Speculator says:

    Just as it is speculation that he didn’t use the word “Pleb”. I simply can’t see any police officer even thinking about using the word, they are not of the social class that does. Mitchell, however . . . . .

    The security gates are there for a reason and there is simply no excuse except hubris and arrogance for a cyclist to expect that they should be opened for him when there is a perfectly adequate and more secure gate nearby.

    So there!

  216. 216
    General Farquhart says:

    You f-wit. Every time you open the big gates you increase the security risk. Mitchell could and should go through the pedestrian gate to reduce the risk.
    Simple, ain’t it?

  217. 217
    EyeSee says:

    I think you will find, from much of what goes on with the police these days, that this does not support their case but rather it puts things in proper perspective. We know the Police Federation tried to use it to gain political capital and that for some strange reason an unconnected officer decided to get involved by lying. This document shows that the officers were getting annoyed with Mitchell (hence the capitals, who does that?) and following their standard mindset, decided to ‘get him’. It is how they operate these days. They are painting him as an arrogant toff, a typical nasty Tory. Except the arrogance is mainly with the police, something they are very comfortable with over the last decade or so. Fancy requiring something of them! See also Met chiefs in general.

  218. 218
    Jim says:

    If it was not a set up he would have been told by the Administrator to behave to the Rules. Standard procedure in any situation. It would never be expected that the on Duty Policeman would make the decision in isolation on the spur of the moment instead of reporting his concerns to his Boss. The risk of confrontation is always too great.
    Meanwhile we have another Criminal Offence committed in the name of the Police.
    That means another one thousand interviews of suspected police officers.

  219. 219
    Jim says:

    The Boss that sets the Rules for the gate operation has never been identified as far as I know. Even if it is a Committee there should be a named person responsible.

  220. 220
    Jim says:

    It was reported, by more reliable sources than the BBC, that there was over a thousand police personnel suspects interviewed in the investigation.

  221. 221
    Timmytour says:

    Someone’s got a nice little earner writing a column they wasn’t to protect…..

  222. 222
    Timmytour says:

    *want even..

  223. 223
    Alan Calder says:

    He should have set an example by doing what everyone else was expected to do. Arrogant git. But too much time spent on this. Have journalists nothing better to do?

  224. 224
    Anonymous says:

    …or the Tories would never get elected.

  225. 225
    Margot Leadbetter says:

    If you are on wheels, either in a car or on a bike then you are not a pedestrian and should not be compelled to use the pedestrian gate.

  226. 226
    Margot Leadbetter says:

    PC Keith Wallis has been convicted and jailed for claiming to be a member of the public who witnessed the incident when in fact he was a police officer who was miles away at the time.
    I’d say that that is conclusively a corrupt public servant. But clearly you would rather believe what you want to about the police because of your prejudice regarding Mitchell.

  227. 227
    Anon says:

    Being the first ever perfect Party – all power would not corrupt UKIP?

  228. 228
    Anon says:

    It might be that all the best British suicide bombers are helping the Free’ Syrian Army. Given the number of such terror gangs in Syria – was it not a good job the House of Comments voted against air strikes?

  229. 229
    Anonymous says:

    Fuck off! Stuck-up Tory toff.

  230. 230
    By the way says:

    Given the damage an upper-class toff calling anyone a pleb can inflect on the image of a ‘modern’ Tory Party – is it any wonder that some are attempting to play this down?

  231. 231
    Anon says:

    Order-Order! Far from being an insult to anyone, are there not many folks that consider insulting toffs and stuck-up MPs is something of public duty?

  232. 232
    Anonymous says:

    But they put up gates, is it not against the law to block the Queen’s highway?

  233. 233
    Let's not talk bollox now, officer says:

    “The Old Bill on the gate are following their orders, which is not to open a big fuck-off gate for a bike.”

    That remains to be seen – it seems to have been routine for MPs to cycle to Downing St and ceertainly Mitchell was just doing as he normally did.

    It’s just a fucking gate. And it’s just Plod getting too far up their own arses.

  234. 234
    Truncheoned to death by plod for not walking fast enough says:

    You’re a good little sheep.

    Just do what the police tell you, and do it fucking schnell.

  235. 235
    Reckless Tracey says:

    “Not bad for him”? You, sir are an ass

  236. 236
    Anonymous says:

    If you were going to attack Downing Street then the moment the gates are opened has to be the point at which you would do so. It therefore matters how often the gates are opened. To open them unnecessarily for a cyclist makes no sense and simply increases the risk. Its called risk management.

    The interesting point about this saga is how quiet C4 and Michael Crick are now some evidence is forthcoming that the original incident may well have been as described by the police notwithstanding the utter idiocy that followed.

  237. 237
    Plodtastic says:

    What a load of shiite.

    You’d just fire a missile from the van, you wouldn’t hang around the gate asking to be let in.

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