February 11th, 2014

SKETCH: Peter Lilley v Tim Yeo

That was a first. Not even Ellis vs Vaz has produced a moment like Peter Lilley flying at Tim Yeo in committee this morning.

”That is disgraceful!” Lilley spat out as Yeo took the questioning away from him. “Absolutely disgraceful! You have protected a witness who cannot answer a question.”

Would not, rather than could not. We had a masterclass in passive aggressive responses from Emily Shuckburgh of the Royal Meteorological Society. Her winsome smile, her quiet, disbelieving giggle, her cosy chuckling with allies in the room, her manner of explaining something really, really difficult to a seven-year-old. And almost effortlessly constructing answers just wide enough of the question to confuse the issue, the audience and the questioners.

Peter Lilley asked: “Since 1997, the amount of CO2 emitted by mankind is a third of all CO2 that mankind has emitted. And there has been no statistically significant rise in the surface temperature. Does that increase, decrease or leave unchanged your confidence that the scale of warming will be as high as previously thought?”

She didn’t say, “Slightly decreased.” They only use short answers when they want to be understood. Such as: “Do you think there’s anything in the latest climate report to justify a change of policy? “No.”

The weather chief used the ever-suspicious beginning: “I think the first thing that’s important to note is”. . . Sceptic-sounding facts or questions always have to be contextualised.

Lilley: “First of all, answer the question. Increase, decrease or leave unchanged your confidence in the projections.”

Shuckburgh: (Smiling winsomely) “Mr Lilley, I’m going to answer your question, don’t worry.”

But to answer a question from Lilley directly is a loss. A defeat. An acknowledgement he has a right to an opinion.

Had she been among friends, and in private, and not-to-be-quoted, she might have said: “We have significantly decreased confidence in short-term warming as rapid as previously thought. The IPCC has, in fact, reduced its forecast accordingly.”

But no. She was dealing with a Lilley and she wasn’t giving him a single bone to chew on. When he repeated his question – increased, decreased, unchanged? – she looked cornered for a moment. Struggled for an answer and then inspiration struck:

“Your question in itself is not well-formed. You ask whether it leaves unchanged future projections of temperature change, but in order for your question to be well-defined you need to articulate over what time period.”

That’s passive aggressive fighting talk.

She gave her answer in such a way as to satisfy her allies and infuriate her opponents.

Lilley: “Witness refused to answer the question.”

Shuckburgh: (Always accuse your opponent of your own most obvious fault) “Oh no, come on, you’re playing politics.

Yeo: (Smoothly) Rather a comprehensive answer.

Shortly after this, Lilley’s burst of anger made his opponents purr with satisfaction. It was a small but significant climate change victory. A sceptic had been made to lose his temper.

As far as I could follow it, Lilley wanted to know why the model projections differed from the expert judgements. Whether the projections had been fudged to make the models produce the desired answers.

Ms Shuckburgh’s explanation was that the models were constructed for 100-year predictions and were no good for predicting climate over the next couple of decades.

And then, by way of finesse, she also said that you could feed other data in and the models could be used to predict the next 10 or 20 years.

The difficulty with – and brilliance of – passive aggressive confrontations is that you can’t quite follow what’s going on. And usually, it’s not worth finding out. But climate change is a multi-trillion dollar issue and deserves better.


272 Comments

  1. 1
    seriously? says:

    So, in short, she won.

    She refused to answer the question and wound Lilley up so much he spat out the dummy.

    It’s why nobodyhas any time for any global warming cultist or any politico. They’re lal as bad as each other.

    She knew the answer. She knew the answer he wanted. But she refused to give him his victory. And yet, were the show on the other foot Lilley or Cameron or Milband or Balls would pull exactly the same stunt.

    Utter fucking scum the lot of them. And infuriating to the point of incoherence when, as you say, absolutely mind-cripplingly stupid policy decisions are being made in the teeth of fuck-all evidence.

  2. 2
    Eric Pickles says:

    Buying Mercedes cars for tinpot dictators will help prevent flooding in the south west.

  3. 3
    C.O.Jones says:

    They can get that evidence fairly quickly. You would be amazed at what a decent research grant can provide.

  4. 4
    i don't need no doctor says:

    Shuckburgh spoke in riddles.
    What is Yeo’s agenda?

  5. 5
    Jimmy says:

    “her manner of explaining something really, really difficult to a seven-year-old.”

    And still it went over his head.

  6. 6
    Pissed off says:

    Anticipating global warming and drought they sold dredging equipment invested fuck all in snow ploughs and salt and used unsuitable tarmac on our roads which are now full of potholes.
    Anything else these climate wankers have got right?

  7. 7
    It would be fun to... says:

    Publish her address and allow the public to decide on whether the drains around her home should be cleaned and whether or not her home is flooded next time it rains.

  8. 8
    Moley says:

    The fact that these global warming cultists are unable and unwilling to answer direct questions succinctly is in itself an admission, both that they know themselves to be wrong, and that they are incapable of admitting that unfolding reality is destroying their arguments.

    They won’t be getting many new recruits, and for that, we should be grateful.

  9. 9
    The public says:

    You are a dolt. Eat less and do some exercise.

  10. 10
    Anonymous says:

    You can tell one thing with 100% confidence.
    You can tell they’re lying because their lips are moving.

  11. 11
    Surrey man in scuba gear to get to computer says:

    I agree, no evidence of climate change at all

  12. 12
    Socialism Ate My Future says:

    Like the economy to a lefty ;)

  13. 13
  14. 14
    Mornington Crescent says:

    She may be Climate Change scammer and I don’t know about the state of her drains but my plunger is available to her at any time:

  15. 15
    ɐılɐɹʇsn∀ ɯoɹɟ ǝʇɐW ɹnoʎ says:

    ˙ǝʇɐɯ ǝnɹʇ ʎpoolq oo⊥

  16. 16
    Táxpáyér says:

    So they were expecting rain, and did the one thing to make it worse?

    I always thought they were saying it was going to be dryer…

  17. 17
    Táxpáyér says:

    Their pensions, pay and conditions of employment, they swan about at our expense.

  18. 18
    The 70s are Back says:

    TV weather presenter Fred Talbot has appeared in court charged with the sexual abuse of schoolchildren between 1968 and 1983. The 64-year-old former teacher is accused of nine offences of indecent assault and one serious sexual assault against five alleged victims. At Manchester Magistrates’ Court, Mr Talbot spoke only to confirm his name, address and date of birth.

  19. 19
    seriously? says:

    If only. With the BBC giving it ‘floods caused by global warming … floods caused by global warming … floods caused by global warming … floods caused by global warming … floods caused by global warming … ‘ 24/7 they’ll be inundated (no pun intended) with shiny-eyed ‘believers’.

    Remember folks, that’s how the ‘global crisis that started in America and has fuck all to do with me, Gordon Brown’ myth got propagated.

  20. 20
    We are fucked says:

    If you want to get on in this country you now have to adopt the common purpose hive mind way of thinking.
    They don’t need lots of recruits just enough to hold the levers of power.

  21. 21
    Loosehead says:

    Its a simple question, and there are three possible one-word answers. Pick one.

  22. 22
    Ancient Egypt says:

    Once upon a time Egypt was green and verdant around the Nile.

    Those blasted biblical car plants pumping out their deadly CO2.

    Jeez

  23. 23
    Glyn H says:

    Hurrah for Lilley; pity the warmists have not twigged it is sun activity that drives our constantly changing climate and that the CO2 rises historically follow rather than led the temperature increases. And as the modelling can be out by 40% after a few months ( vide the Trrasuary predictions 6 months after PBRs and the like) using 100 year predictions to make policy, such as the 2008 Climate Act, is cretinous.

  24. 24
    Or says:

    Not speak English

  25. 25
    seriously? says:

    They did more than that. Blair’s idiot token Northerner, Prescott, entrusted with a staff of 2,000 to make him feel important made on single headline decision. He decided to built 100,000 homes on a floodplain.

    It has to be deliberate. They knew it was a floodplain before they started. We’ve had a Thames Barrier for 30 or so years – the risk of flooding purely from isostatic rebound is recognised and yet they still chose to build 100,000 homes on a floodplain.

    They’re actually setting the scenarios up to they can say ‘See – global warming is real – we never had as many as 100K homes flooded before..’

    What the fuck is going on?

  26. 26
    Anonymous says:

    Not saying you’re an asshole but you put the Butt in rebuttal Jim.

  27. 27

    Global climate change sensitivites. Globullshit!

  28. 28
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    Nothing like a Tory crossed in love.

  29. 29
    altruism in industry says:

    the argument is, from the warmers side, that it is a religion, it is not necessary to have facts because it is a belief, a gut feeling and if climate change is shown in one hundred years to have nothing to do with human activity then it is still a good thing to reduce the pollution and protect the creepy crawlies, don’t you think ?
    My view is that pollution and population is causing irrepairable damage to the nature. and I would like to see a reduction in the global population of 90% but I can’t see that happening until all the resources are completely used up. Optimists think that science will always come up with a solution, invent some magical, unthoughtof thing and I can see that scenario working, hopefully.

  30. 30
    seriously? says:

    She knew the answer. But she didn’t want to give the answer because it would wholly undermine years of slavish adherence to her global warming religion. So, like any politician, she danced around the answer.

    You are not going to get these fuckers to admit they are wrong. They believe you see. And they’re getting well-paid to believe.

  31. 31
    SarumSea says:

    Not this bit of public.
    Try not to be personal in your attack.

  32. 32
    SarumSea says:

    E.U.

  33. 33
    Kay should never have put herself under the knife says:

    Kay Burley has the look of the plastic surgery about her. Piggy eyes with tight surrounding skin and a frozen expressionless face.

    What a pity she succumbed. She looks like a freak now

  34. 34
    Anonymous says:

    Its ‘climate change’ when its cold and wet, its ‘global warming’ when its hot. Their argument changes to suit the weather – isn’t that were the saying comes from?

  35. 35
    walking into darkness says:

    On Spitzbergen, the island to the north of northern Norway, there are fossils of palm trees

  36. 36
    SarumSea says:

    E.U.

  37. 37
    Persona non grata says:

    Farage objected to flood plain homes in 2003.

    http://tinyurl.com/njly7kh

  38. 38
    Ed's Holiday Tweet says:

  39. 39
    Jimmy says:

    There’s also a two-word answer.

  40. 40
    SarumSea says:

    E.U.

  41. 41
    del boy says:

    If it gets warmer then it gets warmer.

    End of story.

    Not much you can do about it without moving the sun off its axis.

  42. 42
    SarumSea says:

    E.U.

  43. 43
    seriously? says:

    You simply can’t win. The warmists have constructed a paradigm whereby all weather is evidence of ‘climate change’.

    Too wet? ‘Climate change’.

    Too dry? ‘Climate change’.

    Too cold? ‘Climate change’.

    Too much snow? ‘Climate change’.

    Of course the climate is changing – ‘Ah-ha – so you believe in ‘climate change!!!’

    How can you argue with ‘climate change’. You’re fucking well beaten before you start.

    It’s exactly the same rhetorical trick as ‘Doing the right thing’.

    What’s that then. ‘The right thing’.

    But what is the right thing? ‘It’s the right thing to do’?

    But what is the right thing to do? ‘You don’t know what the right thing to do is!!!’

    How can you rationalise with people who are prepared to go down that route?

  44. 44
    Jimmy says:

    “Anticipating global warming and drought”

    Because in rightieworld warmer air holds less water does it? Do you have special courses in voodoo physics?

  45. 45
    broderick crawford says:

    ERIC PICKLED REPLIES

    i cant . my joints are atrophied and i have ciculatory and cholesterol problems also my stomach ( like nature ) abhors a vacuum .

    i should have followed tbe advice of my uncle wilfred who was famous for noting ” take phylosan , it fortifies the over forties “

  46. 46
    All socialists are scum says:

    She’s one ugly fucking munter. Par for the course for socialist vermin and scum with their snouts in the trough.

  47. 47
    SarumSea says:

    Well said Delboy.
    Instead of wasting billions trying to stop climate change (a laughable notion) the dosh will be better spent learning to live with the fact, while reducing human impact.

  48. 48
    seriously? says:

    When we have a drought the magic warmer air in summer holds less water. Can you see what it is yet? Yes, that too is evidence of ‘climate change’.

  49. 49
    Datchett Job says:

    How strange that action on the flooding only really happened when multi-million pound homes right on the Thames banks were affected. What do the people who buy such houses expect sitting next to a RIVER on low-lying flood plain. Sure its idyllic in the summer, but what do they expect … a tall concrete wall surrounding their houses to stop the water coming in?

  50. 50
    Perv says:

    Gordon ate my Dingo

  51. 51
    Flooding the market says:

    About time he turned up….I thought he’d hibernated for the winter

  52. 52
    Jimmy says:

    Jesus wept. Are you Peter Lilley by any chance?

  53. 53
    seriously? says:

    There’s evidence of glaciation in the sahara. Who was burning fossil fuels 20,000 years ago to chase back the sahara glaciers?

  54. 54
    Mark Wouters says:

    Sovietsalami63 Here,
    What we need is NOT another Thatcher, But a CLEMENT ATLEE ,so Mr EDd Milliband what next ??? and Those FLOODY TORIES have done us bad,god has hepled the Labour party and given it a gift ,will it now take notice and win the next general election and give us a LEFTWING GOVERNMENT for the people by the people.
    Thatcherism is dead and so is the Floody tory party ???

  55. 55
    Jimmy says:

    I think the rightie argument is still that it’s premature to act on the current evidence. The “too late to act” argument comes later.

  56. 56
    seriously? says:

    Make your mind up. Either the warmer air holds more water or it doesn’t. Pick one and stick to it.

  57. 57
    Emily Shuckburgh says:

    Don’t Know.

  58. 58
    Anon says:

    So R@yner another goy?

  59. 59
    Mark Wouters918@yahoo.co.uk says:

    Sovietsalami63 Here,
    Nearly forgot ! WHERES ALL THE COUNCIL TAX GONE TO ? its not been used to dredge the Thames ,Perhaps the tory partty will dredge itself of Pickles and co ? (is there going to be a Musical ?Flooding and flooding and flooding around ???

  60. 60
    seriously? says:

    Floody Tory party?

    Oh, you are a one.

  61. 61
    White Dee says:

    Fuck off prat, there aren’t enough bennies to go round.

    We woz ere first

  62. 62
    The answer you seek is ... says:

    The final salary pension of all the council employed box tickers

  63. 63
    Anonymous says:

    The educated pessimist point of view has been voiced so many times over the centuries that it certainly cannot be considered the realistic point of view. Reverend Malthus wrote his essay of doom and gloom on population in 1798 he was wrong. There have been a succession of headline grabbing disaster predictions since that have come to nothing. My position is this, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

  64. 64
    seriously? says:

    What evidence? It’s just a bunch of geographers with some numbers they don’t understand. They’re no more scientists than L. Ron Hubbard.

  65. 65
    Jimmy says:

    Only a rightie would suggest I had a choice as to the laws of physics.

    http://littleshop.physics.colostate.edu/tenthings/WhyDoesWarmAirHoldMoreWater.pdf

  66. 66
    That's his wellies full then LOL says:

  67. 67
    Paniagua V5.1 says:

    I trust Jimmy to be the ultimate arbiter on the subject of Hot Air.

  68. 68
    Jimmy says:

    Yes, that’s the (let’s call it) argument.

  69. 69
    G W Bush says:

    it was al-qaeda
    it was al-qaeda
    it was al-qaeda
    it was al-qaeda
    it was al-qaeda

  70. 70
    Co-Op says:

    We will bail him out. Again.

  71. 71
    seriously? says:

    C’mon then. Go on the record and blame the recent flooding on ‘climate change’ or ‘global warming’ or ‘AGW’ or whatever it’s called this week.

  72. 72
    Village Idiot says:

    ……If you pay the full council tax,surely the council in receipt of that tax should ensure that the environment around said property,should be maintained to a suitable standard,failure to achieve this,should result in refunds with costs!..Would these flooded properties ,damaged by negligence of council and EA,over years,be entitled to sue the government?
    Example; If the council did the drainage ,the EA did dredging and clearing,the flood water may reach a depth of 1ft,but if the council and EA neglected the drainage for years,and the flood water was 3ft,is there a case?……..Insurance is separate…

  73. 73
  74. 74
    Jimmy says:

    Who’s doing that?

  75. 75
    Fatty fat-fuck Pickles is a disgrace to humanity says:

    Hmm. Useless fat fuck fatty Pickles insults the intelligence of everyone in the country by pretending that the government’s squandering of £11 billion every year on foreign aid (to countries that don’t need it) is “a good thing” and “will prevent flooding in Britain”.

    Insult the useless fat fuck? I hope the useless fatty fat fuck chokes to death on his own vomit or dies of the massive heart attack he’s been working towards for many many years.

  76. 76
    David Silvester says:

    AGW

    All down to Gay Wankers?

  77. 77
    Jimmy says:

    How very dare you. Sir Peter is a happily married man.

  78. 78
    seriously? says:

    Your refusal to blame the floods on ‘climate change’ or ‘global warming’ or ‘AGW’ or whatever it’s called this week is duly noted. As is your refusal to defend the geographers.

    Report to Labour HQ for reprogramming.

  79. 79
    Village Idiot says:

    …There could have been volcanoes erupting,spouting stuff into the air,Iceland style.(not the one mum goes to).It’s not fossil fuel,rather,igneous stuff.

  80. 80
    Triple Dipper says:

    Rubbish! Ed Balls has never been in the Dee or Nile.

  81. 81
    Piss-poor Comedian says:

    I’m sure that former Mayor of Windsor & Maidenhead, Conservative Cll Rayner, is delighted to be patronised by Ed Miliband.

  82. 82
    SSSSCCCCCCAAAAABBBBBBB says:

  83. 83

    Did Red Ed clear his visit with the local MP? pitching up unannounced in someone else’s manor is a blatant disregard of parliamentary convention. Ed thoroughly deserved his bollocking. his was ecoloon Ed’s time as Minister of the environment where the fateful decisions to carry out lunatic policies was made. Now he has seen what he has wrought, I hope that he will feel justified in flooding out lots of Tory voters.

  84. 84
    Mr Curious says:

    “god has hepled the Labour party”

    Oh, so that’s what’s happened to them. You don’t want to get hepled.

    Where does hepling come of the list of general nasty things that God in his wisdom inflicts on people? Is it between ‘famine’ and ‘plague of locusts’, or after ‘frogs’?

    I think we should be told.

  85. 85

    Owen, your remedial English teacher is waiting at home for you.

  86. 86
    seriously? says:

    So which one is it Jimmy? The warm air in floods that holds more water or the warm air during droughts that holds more less water?

  87. 87
    Jimmy says:

    Is this about gay marriage again?

  88. 88

    Simon Carr is the best bit of this blog since Guido sold out.

    A bit of cognitive dissonance for the Millennialist Malthusian Green scum.

    http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/02/11/did-they-have-global-warming-in-1929-as-well-julia/#more-6935

  89. 89
    Jimmy says:

    You are James Delingpole and I claim my five euros.

  90. 90
    Pay attention, Jimmy. says:

    No, it’s about Ed Miliband’s notoriously poor judgement.

  91. 91
    Half a million dead Ragheads murdered by a former memer of CND says:

    It’s a “right v Left” thing is it Jimmy, you narrowminded twat? If you believe the proletariate should own the means of production, then you must also believe that climat change is predominantly man-made, and vice versa.

  92. 92

    On the contrary, I wish you every happiness when you finally tie the knot.

  93. 93

    Here is the classic example of a leftie claiming, in evidence, an alleged video when the link merely provides an article and three pictures.

    Wildly exaggerated claims masquerading as truth. And that goes for your comment too Jimmy!

  94. 94
    Socratesthegooner says:

    Guido,
    The question I would like someone in government to ask is:
    “What is the optimum temperature for the earth’s climate?”
    If that can’t be answered, then no policy can be formulated.

    For background:
    average global land & ocean surface temperature during 20th century was 13.9 C
    average for 2013 was 14.5 C

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global

    The earth is a bit warmer now than the last century. But is there any reason to think that the the 20th century climate was optimal?

  95. 95
    Ed in a bucket says:

    Our pledge is for a wet mansion tax, but we’re actually planning for a monsoon tax.

  96. 96
    Dave lessons learnt says:

    I have arranged that everyone will be issued with a voucher to purchase a pair of wellies from G4s. I myself at great risk have put my pair on expensive.

  97. 97
    seriously? says:

    You are Polly Toynbee and your husband got fired. Ha ha.

  98. 98

    Jimmy’s trying passive-aggressive. He hasn’t twigged that it’s a loser’s tactic.

  99. 99
    Bricktop says:

    Begins with an ‘F’?

  100. 100
    Jimmy says:

    I think you’ll find that the first picture magically moves when you click on it.

    Have you considered a position on a govt IT quango?

  101. 101
    In the long term says:

    If ‘winning’ means disrespecting the public and avoiding answering the questions put on our behalf by a member of our national Parliament, she can think of herself as a ‘winner’. But I think that she is really a ‘loser’.

    People like this just come across as untrustworthy.

  102. 102
    CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    Another Milimong photo.

  103. 103
    seriously? says:

    Those figures aren’t worth the adulterated spreadsheets they’re entered into. They’re extrapolated/inferred/ignored/’re-evaluated’ as necessary by the warmists to create ‘the world is warming up’ hysteria.

  104. 104
    Jeremiah says:

    Basically she was doing a Maggie, she said what she wanted to say and not directly answer the question, Maggie was a past master at that. There are too many variables which affect the global climate, Methane (like that produced in HoC & HoL, farm animals, and natural emissions), CO2 levels, the solar cycle every 11 years or so, the distance of the earth with respect to the sun, the gravitational pull of other planets, the level of oxygen in the atmosphere, the list is endless. Rest assured, that firm of lawyers Fawkes, Fawkes & Shyster (formerly Fawkes & Co) say there is no such thing as gobal warming.

  105. 105
    Mike Sugar says:

    It took me a while to navigate the awful parliament.tv website but I eventually found the link to the Lilley v Yeo exchange. It’s well worth watching:

    http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=14877

    Simon Carr’s piece is spot on, and Lilley had every right to be angry. Yeo’s future income depends upon “green” renewables.

  106. 106
    seriously? says:

    Maybe he could have a go at the NHS computer. They seem to have money to burn.

  107. 107
    The public says:

    In the real world, as with the internet, there are no Marquess of Queensbury’s rules.

    If you think I am wrong and that he is an intelligent and healthy man reaching the full extent of his potential as a human being, who does not need to do some excerice, then your frame of reference must be severely limited for some reason or reasons which people can only speculate about.

  108. 108
    Jimmy says:

    It does? How shocking!

    Thank God for one honest disinterested parliamentarian.

    http://www.tethyspetroleum.com/tethys/aboutmgntcontent.action?managementType=BOD

  109. 109
    Red line on the map says:

    WEALTH WARNING!
    Labour to demand a monsoon tax on all properties.

  110. 110
    Jimmy says:

    You should send that to Lilley. He’d probably ask it.

  111. 111
    Táxpáyér says:

  112. 112

    BBC clearly does not want its “evidence” to be seen overseas.

    The first picture I get is captioned “Sir Peter Lilley, right, urges Tim Yeo, third left, not to intervene”.

    However I have looked at the page source found the item and seen there is something there which does not come up on my page.

    The conclusion must be that global warming is happening. But only in Britain.

  113. 113
    Anonymous says:

  114. 114
    seriously? says:

    So does a lot of his past and present income.

    I think, rather like watching the 1997 – 2010 Imbecility and wondering why, in the teeth of a runaway housing boom like the one during the 1990s, the Imbecile just sat there and slashed interest rates and stoked the economy with borrowed cash and watched the entire economy implode under housing (and concomitant consumer and public) debt it only becomes clear afterwards why it was allowed to happen.

    It was the expenses scandal that revealed that practically all MPs were building up their property empires using taxpayer money. No wonder they didn’t give a fuck about ballooning house pr*ces. Just as they’re pumping them up again – and for the same reasosns – and no MP – even a Labour one is warning of the obvious madness.

    So it will be with this global warming scam. They’ll all have huge shares in windfarms or solar park subsidies or some fucking angle which is why they’re so keen to carry on the charade.

  115. 115
    Táxpáyér says:

    You forget the most important.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_gas_law

    For atmospheres bounded by essentially gravity T==n

  116. 116
    Ed Miliwatt says:

    Knee deep in water and having to talk to ghastly English people. I didn’t become an MP for this.

  117. 117
    CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    Clement Atlee another prick who plucked money from the magic socialist money tree , he is the cause of the disastrous nationalisation of industry in the 1940s ,while the Germans were investing their Marshal Plan Dollars into technology and manufacturing ,that idiot was sovietising the British economy into an uncompetative laughing stock ,from which we have never recovered to this day.

  118. 118
    Paniagua V5.1 says:

    Friday Caption Contest

  119. 119
    seriously? says:

    It’s a fair question. If we’re worried about ‘climate change’ what temperature are we aiming for? What ‘climate’ are we aiming for?

    Why don’t you say what you think? Was the 20thC climate optimal or not?

  120. 120
    Táxpáyér says:

    Jimmy wont mention that the solubility of CO2 in oceans is temp dependent.

    i.e. CO2 is a lagging indicator i.e. an effect, not a cause.

  121. 121
    Memories of being a teen fapping to Kylie videos says:

  122. 122
    EyeSee says:

    The Climate Change scam is exquisite. It shows how stupid we are, in an ‘Emperor’s New Clothes’ kind of way, to believe this arrant, unsupported tosh. It is so obviously rubbish and yet, and yet we are paying billions in taxes to ‘fight’ it. Making the likes of Al Gore ever richer along the way. As Mr. Yeo would not say ‘It’s what we got into politics for’. Now, it is pure sport for these half-wits to claim that they are right and mere proof is of no consequence in their world of argument. Lilley did frame his question wrongly though. There is no point challenging the predictions and her ‘confidence’, he needed to ask why she was confident. After all, every time you run the models against known facts, they get it wrong. Because the answer is already programmed in; Global Warming. Look how Crispin Tickell convinced Maggie about it. When in the early Seventies he wrote a book about the coming apocalypse of Global Cooling.

  123. 123
    Indulgences and Tithes says:

    Stop asking questions, and just hand over your money.

  124. 124
    Skeleton Bob says:

    As the European Parliament is the most powerful parliament in the world it is vital that UKIP gets as many seats in it as they can – forget the parochial, castrated British one for now.

  125. 125
    Ed Miliband says:

    Is it a Bird? No

    Is it a Plane? No

    It’th Thuper Man

  126. 126
    CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    Into the pockets of corrupt councillors and local authority kleptocrats most of them stinking socialist Labour filth .

  127. 127
    Emily Shuckburgh says:

    Look the only word you should worry about is change. OK?

  128. 128
    The British media are cunts says:

    What a fucking joke the BBC are. They show Ed Miliband as a hero, Sky News show him looking a tosser getting a grilling off a woman,

  129. 129
    Engels says:

    Karl Marx would have seen right through an intellectual pygmy like Owen Jones

  130. 130
  131. 131
    Gordon Brown says:

    I wish Shirley Temple well.

  132. 132
    i don't need no doctor says:

    Jones is just another spinning marxist carrying on the baton of deluded fuckwits.

  133. 133
    The British media are cunts says:

    Exactly, billions are pissed away on wind farms when a few million could fix much of the flooding problem.

    This is what happens when Guardian readers take charge.

  134. 134
    Táxpáyér says:

    European Union

  135. 135
    Environment Agency says:

    There’s a RED risk of politicians flooding constituencies on the banks of the Thames. Despite all our efforts, stopping it is beyond us. The only hope is that the vast amounts of resulting hot air will lead to evaporation of the floods solving the crisis.

  136. 136
    Táxpáyér says:

    Go back to malthus and keynsian bullshit sites and stay there

  137. 137
    CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    There were Norse settlements on Greenland until the early 15 th Century.

  138. 138
    seriously? says:

    Indeed there are a huge number of variables. The interaction of which is understood by nobody. Yet we are shown models in (say) 2010 which faithfully inform us that the oceans will be boiling by (say) 2050 and yet come 2014 the temperature has not risen by even the lowest possible limit set back in 2010.

    The models are fucking useless. The ‘science’ is non-existent. Yet we are hobbling our economy pursuing with acts of eco-madness while the rest of the developed/developing world smirks behind its hands.

  139. 139
    Mme Guillotine says:

    He has been deselected, so his agenda is to cause as much trouble to the govt as is possible without somebody sticking a carving knife in his big fat spare ribs.

  140. 140
    Einstein says:

    I didn’t realise the BBC were THAT clever.

  141. 141
    Ozymandius says:

    In ancient times, people paid good money for monks to chant for the souls of their dead ancestors and loved ones.

  142. 142
    Climate change scam = power + $$$ says:

    Climate change, like immigration, is one of those areas the shysters on the left and the right can unite on.

  143. 143
    Stella Creasy says:

    I hope it will flood in Walthamstow. Then I can go about in my wellies and be a leader.

  144. 144
    Táxpáyér says:

    Green Taxation is mostly economic pollution.

    It leads to greater real world pollution.

    Just look at (and ex-)Marxist countries.

  145. 145
    Jimmy says:

    As mankind has developed to live and work in this climate then broadly speaking yes. There will be exceptions of course but to take the most stark example if I live somewhere which will be underwater in 100 years then I would have to say the current position is optimal. In any event we may not be talking about maintaining the current position but merely reducing the rate of temperature increase.

  146. 146
    broderick crawford says:

    BOB MALTESE FALCON SAYS

    ah m goin back to mah cahncil ouse now to sink fifteen cans of stella then swith to the shorts .

    then tamorrah ah m going back to rio to finish my holiday

    well .. ah m worth it innnnaiy … for resolving the tube strike .

  147. 147
    seriously? says:

    ‘After all, every time you run the models against known facts, they get it wrong.’

    Exactly.

    They have 100 years of data. If they took out just the last 10 years data and then ran the remaining 90 years data through their model it would ‘predict’ the wrong result for the last 10 years. The model is fuck all use.

    We are making predictions based on a fucking random number generator. We might as well ask the national lottery numbers to predict the climate.

  148. 148
    Táxpáyér says:

    “Wildly exaggerated claims masquerading as truth. ” CAGW alarmism in a nutshell

  149. 149
    Mme Guillotine says:

    Of what use anyway is this bloody Qango? Dave, your first target on Monday – stop their funding and close the bloody lot down. If we want to know what the weather is doing most of just look out pf the window.

  150. 150
    Táxpáyér says:

    That grave should be buried and removed.

    A blight on the country. Would hitler or pol-pot have a similar resting place?

  151. 151
    i don't need no doctor says:

    Why do people feel the need to stand in the water?

  152. 152
    Táxpáyér says:

    You actually think man can change the global temp?

  153. 153
    The British media are cunts says:

    If climate change is as bad as te warmists claim they why do the warmists still go flying generating more CO2?

    Why don’t they just ban cars? Shut down power stations? Clearly they are not so bothered to stop themselves flying to Goa to snort Cocaine and fuck small boys up the arse.

  154. 154
    CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    How can fucking farm animals cause global warming only an absolute IDIOT could believe that utter BULLSHIT !!!

  155. 155
    Táxpáyér says:

    The problem is and always is rent-seeking.

    Lab and Con are just two different ways to rent-seek. (lib is to choose both).

  156. 156
  157. 157
    Anonymous says:

    Happy birthday Guido. Born under Aquarius- the sign of truth and justice. Must be something in the stars. Best wishes.

  158. 158
    Mme Guillotine says:

    Zat ‘appens all ze time to zose living in ozzer countries. Ze BBC are so zilly as zomvun vill post ze filmlet on ze internet zomevere.

  159. 159
    White Dee says:

    Waves little finger *disdainful expression, nor is he ever likely to be.

  160. 160
    Jimmy says:

    Can and does.

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  162. 162
    n bhgvyfcvjhb says:

  163. 163
    seriously? says:

    Mankind can and does live in a wide variety of climates. Climates that we know have changed massively over the last 2000 years. Libya was the breadbasket of the Roman Empire. Now it’s a giant ashtray. This all happened long before the industrial revolution ie manmade CO2.

    If you’re going to be under water in 100 years then that is likely due to isostatic rebound in the South of England and nothing to do with ice melting.

    Even if we go along with AGW and say the earth is heating up it just means we’ll migrate (as we obviously did away from the sahara) and into the present day tundra of Canada, Russia and the Antarctic. Indeed, because of the shapes of the continents we’ll actually gain more fertile land than we lose.

  164. 164
    Skeleton Bob says:

    It is hardly logical that with a finite amount of land you can continue to increase population infinitely. And yet some idiots believe that to be the case. We are already seeing the huge damage that overpopulation causes in the world. Whether it be pollution or food and water shortages (increased by droughts) or floods (increased by having to house people in areas liable to flooding) and yes even ‘man-made’ global warming if you believe in it. And then there are all the extra resources (such as fuel) needed to cope with all these billions.

  165. 165
    Bazelgette says:

    Why not simply abandon some of the land on the banks of the Thames, such as at Datchett, build a wall round the area and create a new reservoir, thus solving the drought crisis. This would serve London well and save the difficulty of piping London’s water from Wales and blighting Wales with large reservoirs.

  166. 166
    It never Rains but it pours says:

    LOL and now a 50ft sink hole opens up in the middle of the M2

  167. 167
    Ah! well says:

    Failed attempt to walk on water.

  168. 168
    Spartacus says:

    but over the last ten years it has not gone up the two to three degrees a year we are told it has

  169. 169
    Holidaymaker says:

    Has it been raining?

  170. 170
    Chalky says:

  171. 171
    seriously? says:

    Is it technically possible to blight Wales?

  172. 172
    Jimmy says:

    I hadn’t realised you righties were such big fans of mass migration.

    Can’t see any flaw in that plan

  173. 173
    Spartacus says:

    would be reported as a small pothole in scotchland

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    Ah! him says:

    Surely there must be a flooded m0sque for Vaz to visit

  176. 176
    Ed Milibellend says:

    I’ve been down to the floodth today for a photo op. I muth thay ith a cotht of wellieth cwithith.

  177. 177
    Reverend C Bass says:

    The damage caused by flooding is God seeking revenge for the Tories introducing Gay Marriage, and their attacks on the poor, the sick and the disabled.

  178. 178
    Taff says:

    It wouldn’t have been noticed in wales.

  179. 179
    MB. says:

    I was at a couple of talks by meteorologists last year and someone (probably the same person) asked a very leading question about climate change, obviously wanting them to agree with his tree-hugger theories about it all being caused by my car. In both cases the expert just did not want to get involved, I got the distinct impression that they did not believe that there was some big change in the last few clear but the climate has always changed and always will, from completely natural effects.

  180. 180
    Bazelgette says:

    hmmm, that demands a rethink.

  181. 181
    Fish says:

    You’re that loony Bishop of Hume aren’t you (you know the one that’s always on the BBC).

  182. 182
    Chuka is Flooded with fans says:

  183. 183
    Simon Car says:

    I want my pay still.

  184. 184
    seriously? says:

    We own a huge chunk of Antarctica. And Scotland which is much the same thing. We in the UK will be fine.

  185. 185
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Duke of Wellingtons, I don’t know what he’ll do to the enemy; but, by God, he frightens me.

  186. 186
    Lifelong weather watcher and grade a in A level Geography says:

    Correct coherent summary.

  187. 187
    A. Farmer / DEFRA says:

    We need a more effective Badger cull.

  188. 188
    (Rarely) Dangerous Brian says:

    I clearly remember that great politician, statesman and energy secretary Sir Edward Milliband stating, quite catergorically “The science is proven”.
    Are you perchance saying he didn’t (and still doesn’t) know what he was talking about?
    Does he know where Doncaster is yet?
    Is he a backstabbing attention grabber, a closet commie, a union puppet or all of the above/
    Answers on …….. blah blah blah.

  189. 189
    Lifelong weather watcher and grade a in A level Geography says:

    The ginger boy she’d have covered the tosses face.

  190. 190
    Lifelong weather watcher and grade a in A level Geography says:

    Are blue peter goldfish, fish and reverend c bass related.

  191. 191
    (Rarely) Dangerous Brian says:

    Yep
    They know the right way to the trough!

  192. 192
    Accountant says:

    Does Chukka get paid when he takes the window lickers for a day out?

  193. 193
    A Theologian says:

    Muslims don’t swim much. I have no idea why.

  194. 194
    Ma­q­bo­­ul says:

    Yes it was Fred Flintstone’s emissions in his 4WD that ended the last ice age.

    QED

  195. 195
    Socratesthegooner says:

    As far as I know, we are not back to the temperatures of the “medieval climate optimum”. It might be nice to grow grapes at latitude 55 N (again).

    Just like a debate on taxation, when you only take about change, you only talk about the losers. I can’t remember seeing anything published on “Labrador will be improved by climate change” or similar, only stuff about who loses.

    Asking for the optimum value is the right engineering question – independent of whether current trends are anthopogenic or not. (For the record, I think it’s likely there is.) You can’t control a process if you don’t know what the centreline is supposed to be.

  196. 196
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    No.

  197. 197
    (Rarely) Dangerous Brian says:

    Yes and you will also have continuing limitless growth (boom)
    without ever encountering downturn (bust).
    Just ask Gordon.

  198. 198
    Lifelong weather watcher and grade a in A level Geography says:

    Prove it.

  199. 199
    Anita Lonsborough says:

    M0sques are usually dry?

  200. 200
    Suckers tea time says:

    Camoron on tv, trying to be Winston Churchill, somebody should tell the frightened mouse nobody believes him.

  201. 201
    Jen The Blue says:

    Good old Tim Yeo, still protecting his investments in Climate Change scams so he can help selection.himself to taxpayers’ cash long after his de

  202. 202
    Lifelong weather watcher and grade a in A level Geography says:

    Hajibs and burqas are a bit of a drag in the water and blokes with goggles could ogle them perhaps.

  203. 203
    Ma­q­bo­­ul says:

    More drama in the shot than standing on the dry verge like a normal person.

    Unfortunately these fucking idiots of all parties can’t do a thing, haven’t a clue what’s going on nor have any idea how to solve it. What we are seeing is a free-for-all posturing contest now that flooding is today’s big topic.

    Next week they’ll have all moved onto the next issue.

  204. 204
    CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    Self censorship, probably in fear of losing his job

  205. 205
    i don't need no doctor says:

    Where is the anti-fracking squad when there is a photo opportunity.

  206. 206
    Just askin says:

    Wirral just had snow, it went dark, it snowed like hell, went brighter and snow stopped, is this due to climate change or could it be global warming?.

  207. 207
    Mr Ed says:

    Generally my outing today has established that no effniks, a seekers or otherwise potential poor people like white D who would always vote for a tosses with a red rosette have been affected by the floods. Only rather horsey posh Wimin with strident voices, forceful manners and Swiss Finishing we’re evident. So, it has been a bit of a bummer day really.

  208. 208
    BBC says:

    MOve along nothing to see here – not a UKIP Councillor

  209. 209
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    I asked Albert Einstein that very same question (the birk didn’t have a clue).

  210. 210
    Good man Nigel says:

    This deserves highlighted.

  211. 211
    Mr Tiny todger Dave says:

    Would it be possible Herman for us to forego our £60m per day payout to the EU and Swiss bank account foreign despots in Africa and Muzzie land for a day to drain the country a bit?

  212. 212
    Anonymous says:

    But it is a right vs left argument. That is why the BBC believe it. The socialist approach has failed so many times in so many circumstances in so many countries that they need a new leaver to pull to make every one do as they say, and this ‘idea’ fits with what they believe… from each according to his (sic) ability to each according to his (sic) need. In other words “I (the lefty) am more able than you (the righty) so you should not get (earn) more than me” If you earn more than me this means that you must be inherently evil because to do so you must consume more than your fair share. All just lowest common denominator stuff.

  213. 213
    Fish says:

    They’re still there Ed. You can jump up and down and splash in the water when the cameras have gone.

  214. 214
    Marcus Brigstock says:

    I need my ski holiday

  215. 215
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Think it caused the blockage in the first place, all that money that’s been thrown down the drain.

  216. 216
    Tunnel says:

    Keep an eye on it. Thousands of illegal immigrants will likely emerge from it later

  217. 217
    P necklace says:

    I wouldn’t mind covering Kathy Lars face

  218. 218
    wiggia says:

    Mind you they raised the temperature here !

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25922514

  219. 219
    Táxpáyér says:

    Nice to see Jimmy’s religious faith is strong.

  220. 220
    Third world says:

    Really, the army filling sandbags……is that the best we can come up with in 2014 ?

  221. 221

    Or someone with a sniper rifle near Royal Sandwich golf course. Yeo IS the Nasty Party.

  222. 222
    Wendi says:

    it was tony ….. sigh
    it was tony ….. sigh
    it was tony ….. sigh
    it was tony ….. sigh
    it was tony ….. sigh
    it was tony ….. sigh

  223. 223

    http://judithcurry.com/2014/02/11/uk-floods-in-context/.

    Read this paper by a real scientist, not a climatologist. Come back if you need any help with the longer words or the concepts.

    This should be easier for you to grasp.

    http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/02/11/did-they-have-global-warming-in-1929-as-well-julia/#more-6935

  224. 224

    Clement Attlee, “a modest man with much to be modest about.” H/T Sir Winston Churchill.

  225. 225

    With any luck there would be floaters in those wells.

  226. 226

    Guido should double it.

  227. 227

    “Today was an umbrella and puddle day. He’d woken up to the sound of raindrops dancing on the ground and thought “Oh what a lovely day to race between the raindrops and jump in puddles,” so once he’d finished his morning honey, he pulled on his red rubber boots and picked up his brightly-coloured umbrella and wandered outside.” Attr. A.A. Milne, Winnie the Pooh goes Puddle Jumping..

  228. 228
    Jim says:

    refuse to call it climate change-keep calling it global warming,all the better to highlight the bulshit claims.

  229. 229
    Jim says:

    I ask that of global warmists all the time “what’s the earths’ temperature meant to be right now?”
    Watch their little minds implode…..
    Had one on the guard last week, should have heard ‘em.

  230. 230
    Bulls**t Baffles Brains says:

    Or, his deselection means (being generally useless) he needs another public teat to suck on, and has decided that jumping on the ‘climate change’ bandwagon is his best bet. Like Baron Deben.

  231. 231
    Buggery the national sport of England says:

    Its about the size of an english public schoolboys arsehole . Tally ho !

  232. 232
    Tom Catesby says:

    To refuse to answer the questions of a parliamentary committee is s contempt of parliament for which you can be imprisoned at parliaments pleasure.

  233. 233
    Eric Pickles says:

    Can we discuss this inside please. (Good line, that one, picked it up from a friend recently).

  234. 234
  235. 235
    NE Frontiersman says:

    If she’s only just resigned, they can get away without a by-election held in a mood of outrage, because there’s less than six months to the next election.

    Labour pulled this trick in Waltham Forest recently, when one of their insiders was caught nicking £100 grand from a church charity. Caught in September, but waited until January to plead guilty, then resign. If the idiot had stolen from the council, nobody would be any the wiser. They’re still looking for £11 million that went missing 5 years ago, but a bunch of vicars caught this guy in no time.

  236. 236
    Anonymous says:

    Is your surname Roehm by any chance..?

  237. 237
    Anonymous says:

    the above addressed to ‘socialist scum’..the nazi bigmouth

  238. 238
    bubble says:

    tip for Mr Lilley: read a book on sociopaths and how their minds book. Things will make a lot more sense afterwards e.g. they are extremely big-headed and can be needled into showing their true face using that route

  239. 239
    Mine d'Boggles says:

    Read up on the Milankovic cycles.

  240. 240
    Keitho says:

    Considering the handicaps that his physical reality may bring he has done awfully well to get as far as he has. Many folk may find his shape distasteful but he has a better job than yours.

    The triumph of will over adversity. Frankly I like him and he is doing good things.

  241. 241
    bubble says:

    If they’re green they’re lying.

  242. 242
  243. 243
    Cinna says:

    Surely that’ll be Vince Cable and the Libs “Mansioon Tax”?

  244. 244
    Cinna says:

    Kways room for one more passenger on the “SS Climate Change”

  245. 245
    bubble says:

    Why don’t global warmists want more flood and sea defenses?

  246. 246
    bubble says:

    “If only. With the BBC…”

    Yes. As long as the cultists stall and blank the debate on the actual science in public the media and schools will be able to keep the cult going using emotional and propaganda methods.

  247. 247
    bubble says:

    “I would like to see a reduction in the global population of 90%”

    This is the underlying reality of the green agenda and why breaking the global warming cult is so important. There’s no limit to what they’d do and they’ve been burrowing their way into institutions like the EA and EU for decades.

  248. 248
    bubble says:

    Correct. (Apart from building improved flood and sea defenses to compensate.)

  249. 249
    bubble says:

    The rightie argument ought to be we obviously need better flood and sea defenses and the people preventing that from happening need to be sacked as a minimum and preferably deported to a mangrove swamp somewhere.

  250. 250
    bubble says:

    Always call it global warming. They changed the name to climate change when the warming stopped precisely because “climate change” is a totally meaningless nonsense phrase but most people still think they mean global warming when they say it.

  251. 251
    bubble says:

    “What do the people who buy such houses expect sitting next to a RIVER”

    You know what a river does right? It’s thing that takes rainwater to the sea. They always have done.

  252. 252
    altruism in industry says:

    I always used to view the world manufacturing / expansion as a gambler on a doubling up system thinking that he must eventually win before he runs out of funds.

  253. 253
    Lord Duckhouse of Pondlife says:

    Notice also that they refer to him both as “Sir Peter” and “Mr Lilley” – the latter is correct.

  254. 254
    bubble says:

    Marxism is a religion for sociopaths.

  255. 255
    Cardinal Biggles says:

    Sounds like a Pol Pot solution to me.

    Good old Saloth Sar and his Khmer Rouge cadres returned the country to an ideal agrarian past by emptying the cities and slaughtering about a third of the population. They obviously didn’t go far enough in the view of the Gaia worshipers.

  256. 256
    Anonymous says:

    Meanwhile, ocean temperatures continue to rise at a fairly steady and forcastable rate, almost completely independent of the chaotic and insubstantial cloud of gas that surrounds us.

    However neither the media or politicians ever bother to pay any attention to this fairly simple and conclusive fact as the ocean is not in front of their noses.

  257. 257
    Jimmy says:

    It would range between -100 and 6000C depending on where you were, although perhaps they didn’t think it was quite as a brilliant a question as you do.

  258. 258
    JH322049234-05324 says:

    Oh, for fucks sake. He’s up on the AGW lingo.

    You really went for the package deal, didn’t you Jimmy?

  259. 259
    Jimmy says:

    Funny how the righties all agree that it is the state’s job to keep houses in the stockbroker belt dry.

  260. 260
    non taxable pikey says:

    Someone has been moving those plates around.

  261. 261
    non taxable pikey says:

    Yeo’s agenda, to lower his handicap at everyone else’s expense.

  262. 262
    Anonymous says:

    The irony is no one ever discusses the main drivers of global warming. Water vapour has a total effect 3x than CO2 emissions and it trended up over the last few years. (hmm, better not give them ideas for their water tax).

    i don’t think it even mentions that water is a 3x bigger driver of global warming in any of the UN reports I’ve seen, i think the AR4 and AR5 mentions deep within the techie bit that it went up, but nowhere near the executive summary.

  263. 263
    In my view says:

    A simple solution to solving the unemployment crisis instantly. Get the lazy cvnts off the sofa and doing something useful for once.

  264. 264
    Aardvark says:

    When I was 8 we had to shovel the car out of 4ft of snow.

    We didn’t know it was global warming in those days – it was called English Weather.

  265. 265
    EA spokesperson says:

    Don’t worry. We have sent 12,000 of our staff to look into it.

  266. 266
    Observation says:

    Many happy returns!

  267. 267
    Observation says:

    Yeah right, ‘cos the levels never flooded before right?
    Wrong.

    The Environment Agency acting on directions from Brussels stopped dredging.
    Result is now plain to see.

    Out of their £1.2 billion budget the Environment Agency spent £20 million on clearing drains and culverts, and £593 million on staff and pensions.

    They now claim that the problem is lack of funding.

  268. 268
    CB says:

    Fucking waterboard the slapper.

  269. 269
    Johnny says says:

    I replied to this yesterday but it’s gone awol. Will repeat the gist of it without any links.

    They cannot say with much certainty what the 20th century average actually was due to the relative scarcity of measurements and hard to determine quality of those measurements. Much of the hype about warming could simply be they are getting more accurate at measuring it.

    If you look at the history of that NOAA webpage using web.archive.org you will discover that the NOAA like to revise the figure they give for the 20th century average.

    In 2010 they claimed it was 14 degrees C
    In 2011 it had been reduced to 12.9 degrees C
    By 2012 they had put it up to 13.7 degrees C

  270. 270
    The Stig says:

    win the battle, lose the war.

  271. 271
    Club of Rome says:

    At the root of it all is what one could call a “tick-tock” debating technique. There are two arguments, both flawed. When one is close to being debunked, the cliamatist switches over to the other, with a flourish of “it’s not that, silly, it’s this!”.

    Argument 1 is the historical/empirical one – that temps are rising and fast so panic now! Argument 2 is the predictive/consensus argument that says temps will inevitably shoot up at some point in the future, by the authority of science!

    1 is debunked variously by the fact that temps were already on the up before human CO2, that random fluctuations can and do occur on those timescales, and the pause. 2 is debunked by the fact that without some sort of historical or experimental verification the models are not scientific, and the people who peddle them are really just a small number of activists working in politicized institutions.

    Peter’s question addressed 1, and Emily refused to answer it on the grounds that the debate should be about 2 (the “tick”). What Peter should have done is (a) accept the answer as if it were a concession on argument 1 and then (b) ask the difficult questions relating to 2 (causing Emily to “tock” back to 1).

    PS the giggling is what people do when they feel like they’ve gained control over a greater force using their wits. Just citing falling public approval levels for climate change and the green agenda as a whole would have sobered her up in an instant.

  272. 272
    (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

    Whatever happened to Yorkshire common sense?


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Boris on British Jihadis. Apparently based on MI5 intel:

“If you look at all the psychological profiling about bombers, they typically will look at porn. They are literally w***ers. Severe onanists. They are tortured. They will be very badly adjusted in their relations with women, and that is a symptom of their feeling of being failures and that the world is against them. They are not making it with girls, and so they turn to other forms of spiritual comfort — which of course is no comfort.”


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