February 10th, 2014

George Monbiot, 2006: Our Rivers Will Run Dry

Guardian green and resident loony lefty George Monbiot looked into his crystal ball and made a somewhat brave prediction about “our rivers” back in 2006:

The Thames today:

How’s that working out for you?

H/T Christopher Snowdon

96 Comments

  1. 1
    Spartacus says:

    Not a relation of Vince is he?

    • 4
      RomaBob.... Beeeeg Issue! says:

      Cannot imagine the Grauniad getting something wrong!

      • 42
        Mr Potato Head2 says:

        ‘While climate scientists have been predicting for some time that the wet parts of the world are likely to become wetter and the dry parts drier, they had assumed that overall rainfall would rise, as higher temperatures increase evaporation. At the same time – and for the same reason – soils could become drier. It was unclear what the net effects would be. But the new paper’s “drought index” covers both rainfall and evaporation: overall, the world becomes drier.’

        Seems to me the climate scientists who predicted that the wet parts will become wetter are not far off the mark. But then again the wet parts are the dry parts when it hasn’t rained for a while. The big problem with all this is that because we have seen such massive, uncontrolled immigration the demand will far exceed supply when the jet stream changes its path (which it undoubtedly will sooner or later) and we will be back to drought conditions once again and all the blame will fall on water companies for not fixing the pipes. But the real blame is for those swamping the country with foreigners and building houses on places liable to flooding (the only places left to build) to accommodate them all.

      • 91
        Rightwinggit says:

        Moonbat is a c­u­nt.

    • 96
      it's gordons fault says:

      the man is a knob

  2. 2
    Jeremiah says:

    Would like to take a drink from that lovely brown water Fawkes

    • 5
      RomaBob.... Beeeeg Issue! says:

      No dry rivers here? Are you looking in the right place? Global warming strikes when you least expect it :)

    • 61
      Gardener says:

      I don’t know about you, but we had a hosepipe ban last year.

  3. 3
    Bandwagon anyone? says:
  4. 6
    neitherdeadnoralive says:

    These idiots should be reminded constantly of the utter bollocks they spout.

    • 18
      walking into darkness says:

      from the comfort of their own noose, I’m sure lists everywhere have his name on it

    • 89
      Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation says:

      Yes, excellent research from Guido again.

      Monbiot sets himself up as an ‘expert’ and falls flat on his face. Yet the Left worship him and pour scorn and hatred on Delingpole, a man who does not twist the evidence to fit his political agenda.

  5. 7
    Huhne’s retarded love child Davey says says:

    what’s your point? Are you saying rain water is not drinkable or are you just a standard eco loon who does not know where and how things work?

  6. 8
    Lord Smith of Bendover & Gritcherteeth says:

    Global thirst???
    You mean we’re running low on Perrier and champers???

  7. 9
    Keitho says:

    I listened to him on LBC today. He was up against Benny Peiser of the GWPF. He came across as a lunatic claiming Benny was paid by the oil companies to slow mitigation of CO2. He had no answer for a mechanism of climate change causing AGW and the best he could do was ridicule sceptics.

    Benny just asked some pointed questions regarding Slingo and the Met Office predictions from last year being totally at odds with this weeks report. He did it in a very calm and polite way while George just sounded like a demented, insecure, robot.

    The question Julia didn’t ask was that if the rain and droughts and storms are caused by man made climate change what causes the unexceptional weather we get most of the time?

    • 36
      Taxpayer says:

      Summers and winters are getting more extreme periods

      I watch the Azores anticyclone -which historically protected us

      It has moved south and this lets more of this shit hit us rather than turning north offshore

      There is a regular shift here which remains unexplained

      • 51
        East Anglia and Holland says:

        No floods here!

      • 55
        Llareggub says:

        In years gone by, summers were always long, balmy and sunny. Winters were always snowy. Rain happened only occasionally, and generally when somebody had died, or your boyfriend/girlfriend had split up with you. I watch costume dramas too.

      • 72
        not more relations illyband says:

        Late 70s to early 80s weren’t our Ruskies diverting their rivers northwards away from Caspian and Aral seas all the into The Arctic. All that easy to freeze water at 0 degrees as opposed to -10 for salt water could explain a few observations.

  8. 10
    SleeplessInKirkaldy says:

    To be fair, most of the scientists looking at global warming / climate change suggested that warming would add more energy to weather systems (wind) and more moisture evaporation (more rain). While they didn’t know what local changes would be, common sense suggested that we would get more if both given our location next to the Atlantic and prevailing westerly winds.

    The interesting bit isn’t these winter weather patterns. If the Atlantic does ever warm up enough, there will be enough energy pushed into weather patterns in the late summer / autumn for the tail end of hurricanes to teach us. That will not be fun.

    All that said, the current models are not good enough and there are vested interests on both sides to do change everything / do nothing. Experience suggests we’ll do the middle course of doing a bit but not crucifying our economy

    • 39
      Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

      How do the eco-loons explain all the extremes of weather that are well documented in ancient Chinese,Roman,Egyptian,Myan records, when the worlds population was a fraction of what it is today and no fossil fuels were being burned?

      Even more how do they explain the great changes in the earth’s climate over billions of years before man even existed?

    • 40
      CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

      GLOBAL WARMING IS BOLLOCKS there are no both sides!

      • 64
        SleeplessInKirkaldy says:

        There are always two sides to an argument. Only one can be right. History will show which

    • 41
      firefoxx says:

      Sorry Sleepless, but your comment is utter rubbish. The green argument has always been that higher temperatures cause more evaporation and more water held in the atmosphere (as water vapour), so things will become steadily *hotter and drier*. No extra water is created (of course) and they claim that the balance is shifted so that more is in the atmosphere rather than on land, therefore drier.

      This in itself is (of course) extremely dubious from a numerical point of view: the total warming over the entire historical record since 1850 is 0.75 degree C. A tiny percentage change in the system’s energy.

      • 73
        SleeplessInKirkaldy says:

        I didn’t mean to cause offence.

        The green argument has always been framed in dramatic terms because it is intended to make a political impact. Dramatic scenarios are rarely based on proper science, which in this case clearly had a lot of unknowns and enormous margins of error.

        We all know that climate science is one of the most complex subjects out there. Do we understand the inputs? Mostly. Do we understand all the inter-relationships? No. Can we model well enough to explain observed data to date? No. Are our models therefore good enough to forecast the future? Absolutely not. Should we use the models to make policy? Probably not unless in the most general terms, but only for catastrophic scenarios (eg. The Thames barrier, flood defence for nuclear power station sites).

        The point for Britain – irrespective of all this – is that we have a growing population, finite space and we have changed our environmental approach to manage the land less – less drainage, allowing erosion and ingress, and protecting some communities at the expense of others. Do we need to change this? Can we afford to? Are we allowed to?

  9. 11
    Bob says:

    Keep the Thames Barrage closed and it not be bicycles

    It will be submarines

    We will have to call in the Soviet Navy

    PS How many more feet needed to submerge Parliament?. – Guy Fawkes would be happy

  10. 12
    Anonymous says:

    Except he’s not talking about the UK in 2014, is he? He’s talking about the world in ‘the second half of the 21st century’.

    • 16
      Mongbiot channeling the ghost of BR says:

      In the 2nd half of the 21st century I’ll be dead so it’s safe for me to predict unicorns gambolling in the fields because I won’t be there to have somebody jabbing their finger in my face giving it ‘Where’s the fucking unicorns…’

    • 31
      Ma­q­bo­­ul says:

      Th eguy does have a point about fresh water. It is going to become a more and more valuable commodity. Not necessarily because of global warming/climate change, or woteva they call it this week, but because of the increasing demand mainly due to the population explosion.

      A few weeks without rain and we’ll understand that it applies to UK as well. All the experts say dredge the rivers, yeah man dredge da rivers, so that it flows out to sea and is lost rather than letting as much as possible percolate into the water table where we can use it when needed.

      • 67
        We're fucked says:

        Dead Sea. They’re taking so much water out of the Jordan that the DS is shrinking alarmingly. There are plans to build a pipeline and refill it from the sea.

        And as for the Aral Sea…

      • 69
        Cinna says:

        Well it’s certainly percolated into the water table in Somerset.

  11. 13
    Sceptic says:

    Bit odd that there’s an MG garage in the background if the pic is really from today.

  12. 14
    Mongbiot channeling the ghost of BR says:

    It’s the wrong type of water.

  13. 15
    Will says:

    George is paid to write this crap by the guardian he is much in touch as the rest of them. Dave hill is just as bad but given the response he has been getting in the fact of few comments I think his days are up. As for George well he is one of those that seems to think its all doom and gloom as spouts crap such as the countryside is only partly built on and we can build more houses but not in Wales on his small holding. In fact taking Scotland and Wales out of the equation and land in England we can’t build on ie national parks cemeteries etc we have very little land left to build on

    • 24
      Taxpayer says:

      And the idiot government wants more immigrants

      And more tourists

      And another airport

      They are clearly stoned out of their boxes

      As bad as Gordoom

  14. 17
    pippakin says:

    LOL. Its the exception that proves the rule.

  15. 19
    London Thames Duck Tours says:
  16. 20
    Jack says:

    Who will be the first fucking politician to actually done something useful?

    Like organising sand bags and protection on the ground?

    Or actually filling them

    I saw that woman on Sky crying because her whole community near London has been abandoned – even the Police do nothing

    This is the British Katrina

  17. 22
    Daniel says:

    Monbiot is consistently wrong.

    Just like the trougher on R4 Toad this morning linking flooding to AGW.

    No evidence. Just a massive feffing gravy train for Kommon Purpose goons to suck up taxpayer cash.

  18. 23
    SNAFU says:

    Just wondering if all the flooding in the West Country and it being a bastion of LibDemism, will the LibDem vote be phucked as they are the main instigators of Eco Loonism.

  19. 25
    Ravinder Gupta says:

    Hehe, he’s up there with Gordon “safe banks” Brown and Nigel “hordes” Farage.

    • 35
      SNAFU says:

      The thing about Nigelsl “hordes” is that the could be flooding in and how would we know, as we have been told our borders are leaking from all points of the compass.

  20. 26
    London Thames Duck Tours says:
    • 58
      Whats climate change please? says:

      I’m still old enough to remember when it was plain old anthropogenic global warming.

    • 59
      Larry SilverStein says:

      Does your “list of articles” include daily weather forecast and traffic and travel infos?

    • 62
      Wake up & vote UKIP says:

      But ALL of the 206 would be BBC & Graun stories – ie bed wetters agenda.

  21. 27
    submerged says:

    number 10 will soon see the cost of trident on their doorstep

    • 46
      Shlomo says:

      Knowing Dave he will hop a lift on a Trident to the next CoCobra meeting

      Waving the Union Jack

  22. 30
    Sid Cleverbollocks says:

    The obvious solution to the floods is to simply drown Benjamin Zephaniah in it.

    It wouldn’t actually help, but it would make everyone feel better.

  23. 32
    non taxable pikey says:

    Camoron’s statement to the effect that “we are all in this together” has taken on a whole new meaning. It’s bollocks of course, he’s high and dry.
    If this continues i will have to swim to the Polling Station to vote UKIP, but be assured, I will swim if I have to.

  24. 33
    Truthteller says:

    “This draconian slashing of the funding of the river dredging, and other necessary work needed for adequate drainage, has been carried out in line with EU policy which itself is aligned with UN Agenda 21, which seeks to move people out of the countryside and into the cities.

    What will happen next is that the carpet baggers will move into the Levels to buy up the land at rock bottom fire-sale prices, which is all the farmers will be able to charge now that the land has been contaminated from overflowing sewerage and their farms are virtually uninsurable. The carpet baggers will probably make a killing in selling that land on to the frackers, as it stands over a huge shale gas field which they’ve been slavering over for some time.’” INTERESTING

  25. 34
    bergen says:

    I’ll say one thing in favour of Moonbat. When the UEA climategate e-mails came to light, he was one of the very few AGW fanatics who realised that fiddling the figures was totally unacceptable and condemned it without reservation.

  26. 38
    sub or plane says:

    Thames Estuary Airport is done & dusted

    boris?

    • 50
      Boris Press Office says:

      The Mayor of Gotham City is shagging Mistress no 3 in Ibiza at the moment

      Service will be resumed asap

    • 53
      Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

      Bring back the old flying boats.

  27. 47
    David Cameron Is A Cunt says:

    Moonbat is a moron.

    George Monbiot: Wrong about everything, always.

  28. 52
    Velocipedist says:

    Silly cyclist has just ruined his wheel bearings and bottom bracket.

  29. 56
    Anonymous says:

    That would be an article that explictly says:

    > While climate scientists have been predicting for some time that the wet parts of the > world are likely to become wetter and the dry parts drier, they had assumed that
    > overall rainfall would rise, as higher temperatures increase evaporation.

    By global standards, England is pretty wet – so getting wetter is exactly what Monbiot was warning about

    So what part of “overall rainfall will rise” do you think he has got wrong?

    • 63
      Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

      If it’s getting wetter then why have we been having record numbers of hosepipe bans this last decade?

  30. 57
    lojolondon says:

    Oh, yes, remember the good old days, when the rivers were all going to evaporate and the EA, government and water companies were agreeing to raise the cost of water to reduce how much water we drink, and wash our clothes, plates and ourselves with??

    The shortage of water was caused by “global warming”, and there was no way to stop it, but we spent a fortune trying anyway. Now those same rivers are flooding, this is apparently caused by “climate change”. We need to spend much more money to get just a little bit less than exactly what we had before, and we have to do it to be ‘saved’.

    How will we ever make these crooked politicians, quangocrats and media listen ?

    I personally think the answer is UKIP, but open to suggestions…..

  31. 60
    Ron Barras says:

    What a plonker

  32. 66
    George Mad Monbiot says:

    No need to dredge rivers if they are all dry due to Global Warming

    • 87
      Monclown says:

      - the Stour in Dorset is flooded along both banks for miles- obviously, then, our rivers are running dry.

  33. 70
    Nemesis says:

    George Monbiot is one hell of a wanker. He really needs dredging out to sea and to disappear forever.

  34. 74
    Clovis Marcus says:

    To be fair the Telegraph was on this story as well

    http://desertification.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/south-east-same-as-sahara-for-drought-risk-google-telegraph/

    It was the consensus of the time.

    I wonder if it influenced dredge/not dredge decisions.

  35. 75
    Lord Bumboy says:

    My favourite sort of green is my boyfriend’s piss. Streaming all over me.

  36. 78
    Mrs Framlingham says:

    er, maybe read the article. It’s about the congo, yellow river, the indus and the United states. Not a bit of below sea level bit of somerset or a great big river basin in SE England.

  37. 82
    Pete says:

    He was talking about INDIA…..

  38. 83
    Queens Bench Vii says:

    The excuses that the likes of moonbat and the myth believers are using are running dry.

    There must be a standard set of about 20 responses that the eco loons come up with weather event after weather event.

    The only records they have are the same old same old. Johann Hari’s Indy ‘your all deniers’ is still hilarious.

  39. 86
    George Moonbat says:

    How very dare you!

  40. 88

    Global Monblot with his fogged up crystal balls.

  41. 90
    Captn P says:

    The irony of an MG garage in the background as a further reminder of the Labour wonder years …

  42. 92
    Anonymous says:

    If Moronbiot told me it was daylight outside at midday I wouldn’t trust him.

    • 94
      Rudolph Bigantlers says:

      … and if you lived in the northernmost parts of Europe at this time of the year, you would be absolutely right not to believe a word of it.

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