February 7th, 2014

Dave’s Olympic Effort to Avoid Salmond

Brave David Cameron will square up to the nationalist peril from the comfort of the Olympic Park’s velodrome today. He’s got the headlines down south that he wanted – putting himself at the heart of the campaign without actually having to get his hands dirty and go to Scotland. Yet, will frit Dave really be able to get through the next six months running away from Alex Salmond? If he wants to defend the union, he should have the courage of his convictions and be willing to defend it to the hilt. It would be good practice for the 2015 TV debates too. Why so scared?

UPDATE: Pete Wishart of the SNP gives Dave two barrels:

“As an example of political cowardice Cameron gets the gold medal for this Olympic lecture to the Scottish people. As Scotland’s Prime Minister he will run a country mile to avoid a debate with Scotland’s First Minister yet is happy to turn Westminster into a massive resource for the No campaign. The Nos are getting increasingly tetchy as the polls close and no amount of love bombinng or Olympic posturing is going to turn that round now.”


  1. 1
    Cinna says:

    We don’t want him to do anything to stop the Scots toddling off.

  2. 2
    Cast Iron Dave says:

    Hoot mon, can ya no hear the pipes?

  3. 3
    Best of Britisher says:

    There’s no need to bait the Jocks. The “Yes” campaign are miles behind in the polls, why give their petty campaign any more significance.

    At this rate Salmond is heading for electoral humiliation in September and all the senior figures of the Scots Nats will have to resign in shame at their failure.

  4. 4
    Tardkiller says:

    cos he’s NOT addressing Scotland, but England, Ireland and Wales, did you not read the transcript?

    “That’s why this speech is addressed not to the people of Scotland, but to the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland. We would be deeply diminished without Scotland,”

    try again

  5. 5
    Skeptical Voter says:

    Spot. On.

  6. 6
    him says:

    Also, why haven’t our “wonderful” Government put a claim into the EU Solidarity Fund to help clear up the mess in the West of England? They have ten weeks to do it from the start of the problems which was six weeks ago and no action has been taken as confirmed by the EU this morning!!

  7. 7
    Ah! says:

    OMG if Salmond loses, we are stuck with Gordon on benefits ’till death.

  8. 8
    Weight Watchers says:

    How’s Salmond’s diet going?

  9. 9
    Jocky says:

    Cameron by choosing not to come to Scotland to give his speech, make sit pretty clear that he values his representation of the Scottish people to be a minor issue. Apparently we’re not worth his time and effort

  10. 10
  11. 11
    Joe Public II says:

    Where’s the cast iron guarantee that the Scots will have to take on their full share of your £1.4 TRILLION National Debt, plus all the unfunded public sector pension commitments, etc. etc.? Plus they can’t still use Sterling?

    Go on SAY IT — you weak cnut.

  12. 12
    P l e b says:

    Cameron is more useless than John Major.

  13. 13
    Ctesibius says:

    The Jocks do represent less than 10% of the whole country and the Union is a matter for all of us. It makes sense to address the country as a whole from its capital. In fact that’s why we all (Jocks and the rest) HAVE a capital city.

  14. 14
    Silly man says:

    It’s Scotland’s decision.
    England. Wales and Northern Ireland have rightly left them to decide amongst themselves.
    Cameron gets it wrong, yet again.
    A ridiculous intervention.

  15. 15
    Sally says:

    Cockroach is innocent #guilty face

  16. 16
    The people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland says:

    Cameron is a cast iron liar.

  17. 17
    Salmonella says:

    Thanks Dave. Every time you open your Eton trained gob it gets me another 10000 votes for independence.

    Everyone in Scotchland knows that you are an archtypical southern metrosexual LibLabConning rich idle bastard — and that’s your good points.

  18. 18
    How come the Scotch are allowed to have Nationalists? says:

  19. 19
    Too Far Too Fast says:

    Salmond must be shitting himself that his faux campaign is going so well.

    He wants Devo Max, where the English pay all the bills and not full independence where the Scotch will have to pay their own way in the world.

  20. 20
    Herman Achille Van Rompuy says:

    Like I say to Cameron.

    When I want your opinion I will give it to you.

  21. 21
    nell says:

    Perhaps he’s not scared – maybe just indifferent . Stay or go we don’t much care – just can’t be bothered to travel all the way to scotland to tell them so.

  22. 22
    High Dudgeon says:

    Why seek money to help people who choose to live in a flood plain?

    Time to stop the entitlement culture where people look to the State just because it rains.

  23. 23
    Ah1 but says:

    Why would he go to Scotland? No floods there.

  24. 24
    Anonymous says:

    Cameron’s not going to do the 2015 TV debates is he? I thought he’d already refused to participate because he’d have to face Farage. Or will he fiddle the debates so that Nick gets a podium despite being the 4th largest party now?

  25. 25
    David Ward says:

    Piss Off

  26. 26
    An English Lament for Scotland says:

    Goodbye-ee, goodbye-ee,
    Wipe the tear, baby dear, from my eye-ee,
    Tho’ it’s hard to part I know,
    You’ll be tickled to death to go.
    Don’t cry-ee, dont sigh-ee,
    there’s a silver lining in the sky-ee,
    Bonsoir, old thing, cheer-i-o, chin, chin,
    Nah-poo, toodle-oo, Goodbye-ee.

  27. 27
    White Dee says:


    More for moi bennies

  28. 28
    The Scotch say NO to the Bedroom Tax says:

  29. 29
    WShy doesn't Gordon use his Charidee money? says:

  30. 30
    Blowing Donkey Whistles says:

    In that case I hope he keeps talking. The sooner we’re rid of you freeloading, benefits (and skag) addicted Jock mongs the better.

  31. 31
    Chris Smith says:

    I’m looking forward to a lovely day out in the Somerset Levels today. Anybody know if there are any nice cottages down there?

  32. 32
    BravePants says:

    Cameron wouldn’t get a chance to debate, he’d get a mob of cowardly pissed-ups neds kicking the shiite out of him.

    Anyway, no one in England gives a fuck if the chippi wankers want independence – it would be independence for us from their socialism and their tax-draining.

    Still, give it a decade or so and they’ll have pissed all their money up the wall and they’ll come crawling back to England wanting us to bail them out, which is how the Union came about in the first place.

  33. 33
    Ah! see says:

    Clinton snogs Sally. Today’s Sun.


  34. 34
    Apologies to Maggie says:

    “The problem with Scottish socialism is that they eventually run out of other people’s England’s money.”

  35. 35
    Paniagua V5.1 says:

    How many is he after?

  36. 36
    Bnon says:

    In the case of the Somerset levels. The Locals used to maintain the drainage channels. Then the new State/EU Environment agency took over by law and ceased maintaining the drains because they want to turn the levels into marshland.

  37. 37
    High Dudgeon says:

    Well then, why not take back control from Lord Smith?

    Much better than sponging money from the EU. Get cracking!

  38. 38
    Edwina says:

    I somehow doubt that *waves little finger*

  39. 39
    Dirty Digger says:

    I hate England

    You have put all my people in Court for carrying out my instructions for ever more vile and criminality

    I just loove Alex

    He will teach you scoundrels a thing or two

    And he has promised me tax breaks to move to my homeland

    Keep up the good work

    PS I will be sending you another of Wendi’s love letters to that rotter Blair soon
    We must bury them both

  40. 40
    Missing you already says:

    It must be annoying to those north of the border that the majority of the English want them gone.

    There they were, all ready to re-enact Brave Heart, or perhaps a re run of the American War of Independence, and all the native English do is say “Bye, Bye”.

  41. 41
    Cnon says:

    At the moment they can do all this socialist reckless spending stuff because the English are paying.

    Anyways this is yet another good reason why the Jocks should fuck off and die in Poverty on the 19th September.

  42. 42
    Hackney Hal says:

    It is always reported that the two outcomes of the Scottish vote are Independence or Devo Max. Why ? The outcomes should be Independence or Fuck All.

  43. 43
    Persona non grata says:

    Hopefully relations will deteriorate to the point of no return, which will mean no EU/USA trade agreement, allowing most ordinary Yanks and Brits to breathe a little easier.

  44. 44
    Too Late, Too Stupid says:

    Even if Cameron had got that aspect right, he’s left it far too late.

    Cameron is the epitome of wrong. He’s not quite the Jonah that Gordon Brown is, but he’s never made a correct decision.

  45. 45
    Looks like the Scotch are up to a bit of goading says:

  46. 46
    nell says:

    apparently he draws £10000 a week from that taxfree charity of his to live on – couldn’t he afford to donate some of that?

  47. 47
    Angela Merkel says:

    And the State Department is blaming the Russians for bugging their conversatiins FFS

    Whatever next…

  48. 48
    nell says:

    apparently he draws £10000 a week from that tax free charity of his to live on – couldn’t he afford to donate some of that?

  49. 49
    Errrr.... says:

    Why hasn’t Smith been sacked?

  50. 50
    Piers says:

    #read my interview with him in the Mail.
    #the weakest prosecution ever.

  51. 51
    Too Late, Too Stupid says:

    He wasn’t talking to you, he was talking to us.
    He is our countryman after all (sadly).

  52. 52
    Moose in the Hoose says:

    Wee timorous beastie.

  53. 53
    Obamalamadingdong says:

    But O’bumma has ordered the UK to join the EU.

  54. 54
    Dnon says:

    Too late for what?

    Socialist Scotland is a luxury that the English can no loner afford.

  55. 55
    Verboten, Verboten! says:

    Is Scottish Socialism the same as National Socialism?

  56. 56
    Union ? What Union ? says:

    Dave’s lost the argument as most of the English just want the Scots to stop moaning and just fuck off if that’s what they want

  57. 57
    BravePants says:

    Gesture politics. Wanka.

  58. 58
    Economist says:

    Far better to have EU Russia China Free Trade Area – the energy and manufacturing hub of the world

    The US and UK are just deficit con artist consumers which will blow up AGAIN


  59. 59
    Flooding the media with illusions of Prime Ministerial Action says:

    About bloody time

  60. 60
    The Netherlands says:

    Yep. Only stupid people would choose to live in land below sea level.

  61. 61
    The Judge says:

    It’s not a tax, it’s a withdrawal of bennies.

  62. 62
    seriously? says:

    Cameron knows that as an Eton posh boy he’ll do more harm than good amongst the chippy Little Scotlanders who like noting more than to portray themselves as tough northerners and the rest of the UK as effete little ‘Nigels’.

    As Farage’s treatment shows there’s no shortage of Little Scotlander rent-a-mobs to be mobilised at a seconds notice to shout down any alternative view-point.

    Fuck them. Let them go to Hell.

  63. 63
    Steve Miliband says:

    SNP want to come out of the Union and then join another Union with England, Wales and NI.

  64. 64
    The British Public says:

    Ysrael is none of our business

  65. 65
    Bitchfight says:

  66. 66
    The most amusing claim ever says:

    He learnt his lesson in 2010 when he allowed himself to be out-bullshitted by Clegg and failed to land a knockout blow on Brown. For a supposed “PR Man”Cameron was bloody disastrous in all the debates but especially the first one and thereafter he never regained momentum. It probably cost him an overall majority

  67. 67
    Armenians and Ukrainians says:

    Were are our memorials?

  68. 68
    Not a BBC jurnalyst says:

    Funny how you only hear about Mozzi “Brotherhood” when they want to kill, maim, torture, r@pe, or eat someone.

    Where’s their money?

  69. 69
    Judicial watch says:

    Investment tip for my English friends.
    Buy up all the property you can in the north of England now. If Scotland goes ‘independent’ there will be a huge migration of escaping Scots to you green and pleasant land.

  70. 70
    Flooding the media with illusions of Prime Ministerial Action says:

    Are there any trains running though ??

  71. 71
    Specsavers says:

    There is only one deeply unpleasant trot.

  72. 72
    Steve Miliband says:

    Still, at least they’ll be out of the EU. Maybe UKippers could emigrate North of the Border.

  73. 73
    Bob Crow C/O London Underground says:

    This is true

  74. 74
    The British Public says:

    Bank of England supported foreign exchange rigging by London banks (Bloomberg)

    So the regulators were encouraging the cesspit to rip everyone off

    London should be blacklisted as a financial centre

  75. 75
    The most amusing claim ever says:

    Don’t bet on it as Cameron’s ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory is legion

  76. 76
    Stars says:

    Druid was subject to a witch-hunt.

  77. 77
    Steve Miliband says:

    Childish Lefty? Invented as a twat.

  78. 78
    Not a BBC jurnalyst says:

    Tommy Robinson attacked by muslim prisoner in jail

    Putting Tommy in the same cell as a muslim was a deliberate act of establishment punishment?

  79. 79
    Eh? says:

    Better than a deeply unpleasant tosspot

  80. 80
    any old crap says:

    I really don’t want Camoron to get anywhere with the Scottish referendum, just a yes will sort it out, like a yes for an EU referendum if we ever get democracy in this country, we now have seen what damage the greens have been allowed to do to people in the Somerset levels, fck global warming and climate change and saving the world for the future, the country is being damaged now by supposed good intentions and enough money for pr to change corrupt politicians minds

  81. 81
    Paniagua V5.1 says:

    In about 20 years, yes. i.e. When they run out of resources.

  82. 82
    Legal Beagle says:

    A clear case of embezzlement from a charity

    Does anyone care?

  83. 83
    EU to me says:

    So will we, rejoice if Scotland says yes.

  84. 84
    altruism in industry says:

    why not turn Somerset Levels into a fish farm ?

  85. 85
    Mr Spoons says:

    I turned up on Hadrian’s Wall to join hands and cajole the Jockish Scotch not to leave. Had I got the wrong day?

  86. 86
    Ian says:

    We don’t want him to do anything either mate. All the best to you and yours.

  87. 87
    Rambler says:

  88. 88
    Ah! says:

    SNP……. Haggis voting for Burn’s night

  89. 89
    seriously? says:

    Since when did the holocaust become something that British people have to don sackcloth and ashes to remember? We’re not the fuckers who carried it out.

    Why don’t we have ‘Stalin’s Purges’ books of remembrance. Or Chairman Mao’s books of remembrance too?

    What’s so fucking special about the j**s?

  90. 90
    SNAFU says:

    Call me Dave is calling for the English the Irish and us Welsh to call for the Scots to stay in the Union. As far as I am concerned the Scots can go it alone and they are useless at Rugby.

  91. 91
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Cameron is playing Salmond at his own games. Salmond knows he won’t win, so he needs to face Cameron to try and get more Scots on his side. Cameron should just wind Salmond up from afar.

  92. 92
    Legal Beagle says:

    I thought that was empty Ed…

    It seems both of them are vacuous

  93. 93
    feck Off says:

  94. 94
    Ian says:

    When Socialist Scotland do leave perhaps Education England can get some reinvestment. Lots of points on here based on prejudice and ignorance.


  95. 95
    Scottish Independence: Run for your lives says:

  96. 96

    And they can take their toxic bank with them.

  97. 97
    Ali Baba says:

    It all goes on bombs, RPGs and AK-47s.

    They’ve all gone up this year. How the hell is the honest terrorist meant to survive with these prices? Do they think we’re made of money? And I think the rifles are getting smaller. It’s criminal.

  98. 98
    Ah! off we go lads (&nell) says:

    Evidently, smoking hydrangea heads is similar to cannabis. Cancells trip to Colorado…off to garden centre.

  99. 99
    Un-united says:

    What will the U Kippers be called when the Scotch go?

  100. 100
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Is Owen Jones the most insignificant being on the planet?

  101. 101
    Ethnologist says:

    What no one points out is that Jockland itself is two countries

    The anglo-saxon lowlands

    And celtic highlands

    Nothing in common

  102. 102
    Mr Potato Head2 says:

    Tell them to Jock off.

  103. 103
    SNAFU says:

    Owen you have this amazing gift for talking shite, no matter which subject you decide to share your opinion to all in sundry.

  104. 104
    seriously? says:

    Quite right. Blair was kicking Major up and down the HoC every week and had a 30% poll lead but he didn’t take a chance on getting knocked out by a sucker punch. He just said ‘No.’

    Yet PR man Cameron allowed himself to be manoeuvred into a debate and then Clegg hit him with a sucker punch, diluted the ‘anybody-but-Brown’ vote and the rest, as they say, is history.

  105. 105
    Ah! no says:

    You’re only codding, aren’t you.

  106. 106
    seriously? says:


  107. 107
    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    Scotland is full of idle bastards – they’re just not rich

  108. 108
    Ah! know says:


  109. 109
    Fish farmer says:

    Very good idea

    Don’t dredge

    Just block the rivers move 50 people and stock it with fish

    Very cost effective

    End of boring story

  110. 110
    seriously? says:

    Fat Alex is looking very jaundiced there.

  111. 111
    Ian says:

    First point was spot on.

    Second point was childish and pointless.

    Third point is pure ignorance and shows the problem. You like the UKIP, we don’t. No here to debate who is right or wrong on this but address the strong difference of opinion on politics. You wish to head off in one direction and we don’t. Nothing wrong with that, so good luck to you and good luck to us.

    Fourth point, pathetic. You wouldn’t dare say that up here, we both know that, but still I wish you all the best in your quest to gain intelligence.

  112. 112

    Where are John Swinney ‘s funds coming from ? Answers on a postcard to reach this office no later than Referendum day 2014!

  113. 113
    THe Truth about the Ecoloon Agency. says:

    Peers say they were told by officials from the agency that it could not protect the railway line at Dawlish until it had considered the possible impact on local birdlife


    Brunel must be turning in his grave at the madness which has enveloped modern day Britain

  114. 114
    Persona non grata says:

    David Cameron and Nigel Farage are on the terrace of the House of Commons having a drink, it’s sunny but gusty and the wind blows David’s hat off his head and in to the river.

    “Don’t worry David,” says Nigel, “I’ll get it!” and he jumps over the wall and in to the river.

    However, there is no splash. David peers over the wall and to his surprise sees Nigel walking on water. Nigel strolls across the surface of the Thames picks up David’s hat and takes it back to him in front of the entire House of Commons press lobby.

    The next day the headlines read: “Nigel Farage Can’t Swim!”

  115. 115
    Each action etc. says:

    Camoron is a piece of scared weak cast iron rubbish who can’t go head to head with the snake oil salesman, all the better for the people of both countries, the people of Scotland will vote for the snake oil salesman go there own way.

  116. 116
    Guilt mongering says:

    They don’t of course. But it’s a useful stick for those profiteering out of mass immigration to club those that oppose it.

  117. 117
    seriously? says:

    ‘Bank of England supported foreign exchange rigging by London banks ‘

    Of course it fucking well did. And it supported rigging the LIBOR rate too.

    Do you really think nobody at the BoE and (Labour) treasury knew what was going on while all these bazillions were being lent to anybody who could fog a fucking mirror?

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    Errrr.... says:

    Tedious Hunt

  119. 119
    seriously? says:

    Awww. Did Owen get his arse handed to him? He sounds so… whiny.

  120. 120
    Owen Trotter says:

    This time next year we will all be socialists.

  121. 121
    EU to me says:

    Great, brilliant ,congratulations, superb, pick a new name and carry on, if Scotland vote yes they are out of the EU and so are we and if these politicians think they can just reapply, 2015 is not far away,

  122. 122
    Ian says:

    Salmond has already accepted Scotland’s share of the debt, roughly £94billion but with that comes a representative share of UK assets of course. Or you can keep the assets and all of the debt.
    Your choice, we can afford either.

    We can use the Sterling, check Google for Bank of England Governor’s speech last week. Anyhow, it’s a commonly used currency, like the US dollar, how could you stop it? It makes sense for both sides to use the £.

  123. 123
    Tony likes the bamboo says:

    Say it ain,t so joe! http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=84683

  124. 124
    Fish farmer says:

    Do we lose Fraser Nelson if the Jocks vote yes?

    Will he need a visa like our Rnie Graf?

  125. 125
    Bill Quango MP/5 says:

    Maybe he should call Childline.
    Talk to someone about being bullied

  126. 126
    green green the grass is green says:

    Time to send the price of the repairs to the Green party.

  127. 127
    Ian says:

    Seems ignorance flows freely down south but where are the intelligent folk who don’t talk utter pish? Never met to many English that have said this tripe to my face, usually enjoy a bit of banter and some decent discussion. For the benefit of your future, when Scotland isn’t there to underwrite your economic disasters, I truly hope you get your head out of the sand and grow up.

  128. 128
    Mr Potato Head2 says:

    And Alex Salmond can be its MP.

  129. 129
    Hoots says:

    His first point was spot on.

    His second point was spot on too, and so was the 3rd, and indeed the 4th.

    And the only reason you don’t like UKIP is because you have not suffered the same degree of infestation.

  130. 130
    Shocking says:

    It’s true. And it is a total scandal that the British Government has allowed it to happen and even now the media is not reporting it.

  131. 131
    Bill Quango MP/5 says:

    Very defensive all the time isn’t he?

    Dr Wilhelm Quango MD of the Schadenfreude institute of Bavaria suspects Owen is terminally insecure.

    ” In his heart of hearts he knows he’s an absurd, middle class warrior, figure. He longs to wave a red banner on the barricades of Dzerzhinsky Square; but also knows his puny frame would be unable to lift it up.

    He yearns to sit and drink in a trench with citizen soldiers of The Internationale Brigade like Hemingway did; yet knows he would splutter up the coarse wine and hear the contemptuously spat “Tosser” as he goes.”

  132. 132
    Hoots says:

    Nothing anglo-saxon about them, they’re pictish or gaels.

  133. 133
    The Bassman says:

    There is Scotch whisky – there is no such things as a Scotch person. No wonder the Scottish think the English are ignorant

  134. 134
    Persona non grata says:

    Agree, but it was three of them. Punishment for not agreeing to go on the main wing, where his life would be in danger.

  135. 135
    Cornish pasty says:

    The sooner the Scots have independence the better.
    No handouts and they sort out their own currency,EU
    and NATO membership and economy.
    They fund their own education,health,benefit systems,
    infrastructure and BBC Scotland.
    Goodbye and good luck.

  136. 136
    JH38492384032949 says:


    Over 40 million Russians died in WW2. It was they who broke the German war machine, we basically just mopped up in the West – is there a single memorial to this in this country?

    However we – England – stood up to Germany for the duration of the war. If people want me to order me to mourn ‘their’ loss, then they can first thank me personally for the losses MY country suffered while pulling their asses out the fire.

    So very, very tired of being told what I am to care about, and what I am not allowed to care about.

    I am not alone.

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    just like Broon says:

    Salmond would never resign,even if they lose the referendum.
    He’d have to be dragged out kicking and screaming.

  138. 138
    Steve Miliband says:

    Pete Washout

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    hang about.. says:

    The Scots can’t keep the pound.
    It would give them a say on monetary policy.

  140. 140

    They have been led to believe in the Celtic myth, and all the tartan and bagpipes bullshit largely invented by Walter Scott and the Victorian fantasists.
    The height of absurdity is the Gealic signs in places like Edinburgh and Glasgow where the pre Saxon language would have probably been more like Welsh.
    Edinburgh itself was an Anglo Saxon settlement in the Kingdom of Northumbria.
    But as they say never let the truth get in the way of a good story .

  141. 141
    Genghiz the kahn says:

    Pete Wishart – Gimp and Wanker.

    Won over da yoof of Scotland. Not.

  142. 142
    Wait - what! says:

    I too want Scotland to do its own thing however, we need somebody with the interests of England, Wales and NI to do the negotiations otherwise we could even be worse off. This is a very real possibility.

  143. 143
    how about says:

    The money we’d save from off-loading Scotland could be used
    to shore up sea defences and dredge our rivers.

  144. 144
    Wait - what! says:

    Scots have previous for this.

  145. 145
    man on the street says:

    The sooner the Jocks fuck off, the better and I’m Welsh not English.

  146. 146
    Pissed off English Taxpayer says:

    If you want independence, then go totally in all respects. No more sudsidies or sponging off England whatsoever, and take all your Liebour M.P.s with you immediately. All Scots living in England to be repatriated to Scotchland forthwith.

    Just fuck off completely.

  147. 147
    Wait - what! says:

    Because we’re only allowed to give money to the EU – it’s the un-written rules.

  148. 148

    With luck very soon he will receive one from an independent England!

  149. 149
    how about says:

    Sack Chris Smith and abolish the Environment Agency.
    He knows nothing about the environment and the bloated
    quango is an expensive joke.

  150. 150
    Fish says:

    He’s not talking to the Scots, he’s talking to the others in the country.

  151. 151
    Not the BBC says:

    We’ll take that thank you.

  152. 152
    charity begins at home says:

    At least they’ve got tents and huts.
    People flooded out in Somerset and the
    coast have lost everything.

  153. 153
    Rob Roy says:

    An independent Scotland will be for generations to come.

    Is it right for a transient “here today,gone tomorrow” Prime Minister such as Cameron (or anyone else) to seek to influence how people should vote ?

    Put the facts before the people and let them make a decision for themselves.

    Once this is done respect the peoples’ decision.

    Do not seek to scare them with mealy mouthed rhetoric about a gloomy future outside the union.

    You insult the people when you do this.

  154. 154
    oh dear says:

    Poor bloke.
    He’ll never live it down.

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  156. 156

    The wrong place actually , Mr Spoons is a dam fool, Hadrians Wall is well south of the border!

  157. 157
    er-isn't he an Engl;ish kid who writes for the Indy? says:

    So the debate about Scotland should be left to the Scots
    and not discussed by English journalists?

  158. 158
    Mr. Kipling says:

    Silly sod shouldn’t have built it so close to the sea then.

  159. 159
    Fish says:

    Tory MP? Career going nowhere? Why not follow Edwina Currie and Louise Mensch’s example and reinvent yourself as a deeply unpleasant troll, said Owen Jones, while trolling unpleasantly

  160. 160
    Pitkapoika says:

    Let’s all be brave and wave bye bye to the parasitic ” Sweaty Socks”, save us a fortune, clear their Leftist hangers-on out of Westminster, and maybe once again hear English spoken in the broadcast media.

  161. 161
    Fish says:

    Is this new? I think that Gordon has some explaining to do.

  162. 162
    Scotch mist on the Scotch Egg says:


    Scotch is correct. Scottish is modern.

    This is why Scotch is still used in the USA where the English language became frozen as the settlers departed Europe.

  163. 163
    Skeptical Voter says:

    EU sponging money is exactly what is need. Get Brussels to pay for a 20 square-mile sponge… Sorted!

  164. 164
    Anonymous says:

    The SNP are driven primarily by hostility towards the English. That are a fake nationalist party, more than willing to sell themselves out to the EU and the open borders crowd.

  165. 165
    Genghiz the kahn says:

    Salmong vs Camoron.

  166. 166
    Sick of the greed and lies(still) says:

    However, we do need a clause that says that they can’t come back when they are bankrupt.
    It will be all “We don’t need the English!” followed by “Em, when we said we didn’t need you, that was just in the heat of the moment, Honest. We miss being part of the big UK family”.

  167. 167
    Genghiz the kahn says:

    Salmong vs Camoron.

  168. 168
    FFS says:

    The only reason they don’t like UKIP north of the border is because the ambitious Scots all fled south of the border to escape their god-awful socialist dystopia years ago.

    This is the fundamental problem with Scotland. It is basically Birmingham on a larger scale. No decent capable person would live there, indeed find a living there. All the ones that are capable end up moving south. They have no time for the nationalists they left behind.

    There are many fine Scots, but they all live South of the border.

  169. 169

    Eventually THE GOVERNMENT!

  170. 170
    Charity begins anywhere but home says:

    But they are not brown people.

  171. 171
    Peter Wiles says:

    Norfolk Broads, apparently, refused the Environment Agency’s offer to take over responsibility for managing their ditches, and they still do it themselves. So it’s not “by law”. Somerset should take back responsibility from them in the same way and tell the EU where to stuff its floodplain policy.

  172. 172
    Cinna says:

    Scots. Scotch, Sweaties….all the same.

  173. 173
    FFS says:

    They can’t keep the pound because they want to stay in the EU. The EU have already told them they would need to negotiate from scratch. Every new country that has entered the EU has been forced to adopt the Euro eventually.

    Scotland wil have to take the Euro if it becomes independent.

    I would also point out the the EU has already stated that North Sea oil should be considered “European oil” and that no doubt a change in its status would be part of any EU entry negotiations for Scotland.

  174. 174
    The Undergraduate says:

    How much will Border Crossing Visas cost ?

  175. 175
    Cinna says:

    Isn’t Cameron a Scottish surname?

  176. 176
    Anonymous says:

    The Scots politicians are so bonkers ! there was a mad sounding woman on the today prog this morning, i think her day job must be gutting fish ! feck, she was rough !

  177. 177
    tabblenabble02 says:

    +6 million (supposedly!)

  178. 178
    FFS says:

    40 million Russians did not die in WWII. Those numbers are totally made up.

    Can you imagine the impact to Russia if they had lost such huge numbers of young men in a matter of years? How on earth would they have raised an army to continue the war against the Germans?

  179. 179
    brown-dog says:

    Quite right.

    Libertrian politics is J*wish politics, and it’s very dirty indeed.

  180. 180

    There are NO good intentions to Ecolunacy , it is a means to undermine western capitalism and industry .

  181. 181
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    The Isle of Man & The Channel Islands use the pound yet are not part of the UK.

    So an independent Scotland can use it to.

  182. 182
    Village Idiot says:

    …Well,there you have it! ..Another reason to leave the corrupt,useless institution,and all the people in the pocket of the con trick that is the effing European union!…..”Making space for water”…..FFS

  183. 183

    Together with escaping savings accounts, ISAs, and pensions, before a scotch government can try to impose exchange controls!

  184. 184
    JH38492384032949 says:

    20, 30, 40 million – who cares? That’s out of a war-time population of 160-odd million. They clearly didn’t intend to go on, and on, and on, and on about it for ever more so why bother making up a figure?

    When did a Russian last demand you remember their loss? Or the millions more that Stalin saw to their graves?

    Russia lost just spectacular amounts of manpower and material, and carried on in a war of attrition and space. That was basically the plan.

    There were air battles in the East that make the Battle of Britain look like Duxford fucking air show. Barely anyone knows this, never mind remembers it.

  185. 185
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    What is all this phone a friend crap?


  186. 186
    Airey Belvoir says:

    The ‘Office of Gordon and Sarah Brown” is not a charity, but a Limited Company. Guido has covered this.

  187. 187
    A Right Fucking Bastard says:

    The fucking racist chips-on-both-fucking-shoulders welfare-addicted morbidly obese fucking skirt-fucking-wearing fucking cockweasels can fuck off.

  188. 188
    Fish Wife says:

    …..Hoi, do not tarnish us with the same brush!

  189. 189
    A Right Fucking Bastard says:

    Fucking aye right.

    I fucking detest the racist cünts.

  190. 190
    Sans culotte says:

    Wouldn’t Dave have an overall majority without Scotland? Surely his mission is to guarantee a “Yes” vote. His Old-Etonian charm should do the trick. If not, Boris could slip in a few insults. Then they can work on hiving off Greater Manchester and Merseyside.

  191. 191
    Pitkapoika says:

    Where the Scots are concerned remember you can’t educate pork.

  192. 192
    Airey Belvoir says:

    You guys are floundering with those jokes. You should know your plaice.

  193. 193
    An Englishman says:

    The Jocks are just a bunch of leeching mongs.

    They can just fuck off and they can sort out their own currency, defence strategy, Eu membership etc.

    Within six months Glasgow and Edinburgh will look like the set of “The Walking Dead”.

  194. 194
    An Englishman says:

    Fuck off then, you fucking welfare-addicted fucking mong.

  195. 195
    Pitkapoika says:

    Got it in one.

  196. 196
    Nuffin to do wiv me guv? says:

    ……Mmmmmervin Kkkking, (got off lightly)….ha….ha….ha

  197. 197
    English suck says:

    Just because you wish you were born scottish kiddo

  198. 198
    Blowing Donkey Whistles says:

    It’s because my beloved home county is run by limp-dick-lib-fcuking-dems. I’m not surprised that all this EA and EU run bullshite has been allowed to happen.

    I recommend moving to the quantocks rather than living on a reclaimed swamp.

  199. 199
    Village Idiot says:

    …..I will stick to being a “Kipper”…..

  200. 200
    Elvis says:

    +468,000 (the number of UK citizens who were killed in the war)

  201. 201
    English suck baws says:

    The sooner you stop touching up innocent sheep the better.

    ” Im welsh not English” to me translates ” Im inbred not a twat”

  202. 202
    UKIP does what it says on the tin says:

    It will be called Great Britain and a union of Northern Ireland/Wales/England.

  203. 203
    Blowing Donkey Whistles says:

    Cost of terrorism crisis! I expect Ed Millitwat will be droning on about it soon.

  204. 204
    Chris's catamite says:

    Somerset Broads surely Daddy.

  205. 205
    Your mum was fucked by a jock says:

    I take it your mum had sex with a scotsman and well, really enjoyed it? You found out, and are a little bit annoyed which i understand as no one likes to see there mum getting her bakey smashed in…..Infact what was here name it might have been me?

  206. 206
    madflyer says:

    Give it a decade or so and your Prime Minister will be Achmed Bin Laden your national sport will be cammel racing and your first language will be Arabic. Scotland will do just fine when we disengage from you horrible bunch of Hunts.

  207. 207
    ... says:

    Psst, don’t tell the little Englaenders!

  208. 208
    madflyer says:

    Who are we leaching of you ingnorant Hunt? I think Manchester, Liverpool and a whole heap more of the Englandistan counties are actually areas of the walking dead. Sad for those folks that the wealth of England doesn’t reach as far north. You can keep your poxy pound we will nominate our new currency, washers and pay you limey Hunts back in kind.

  209. 209
    Moleykins says:

    This Scottish debating row is just the political equivalent of the drunken Scotsman shouting ‘ yous come over heeer and see that – ye havnae got the guts have ye? Hew dee yee think ye are< lecturing us' This was the tone used by N Spurgeon on the Today prog this morning. There is absolutely no reason for Cameron to debate with Salmand and they know it. If English electorate had a vote on independence for Scotland, it would be different.

  210. 210
    Tartan terrier.. says:

    Robert Burns used the term ‘scotch’when referring to the people of Scotland.

    I guess he must be ignorant too.

  211. 211
    Hoots! It's Clown says:

    I am single handedly saving Scotland from secession using only my might sword of truth.

  212. 212
    Highlander456532 says:

    Yeah, people like you are just pure wanks! I served 22 yrs in a Scottish infantry regiment…….and you do??…….belt up fuck nut!! Hahahahahahaha ps I’m laughing at you dick wahla!!!!

  213. 213
    Great Granddad says:

    The affectation for ‘Scots’ to replace the good English word ‘Scotch’ is something that has arisen during the course of my lifetime. Most of those who think that ‘Scots’ is somehow correct, are unfamiliar with the writings of those great Scotchmen, Burns, Walter Scott and Boswell. They are among those who have come along even later in my lifetime and think that ‘gay’ means ‘homosexual’ that ‘gender’ means ‘sex’, that sex means ‘copulation’ and that ‘benefits’ is something different from ‘a penny for the Guy, sir’. They are joined by those who will never understand that we are in awe of the feminine and utterly repulsed by the feminist. Much as many of us feel about good English and bastardised euphemism.

  214. 214
    Jacobite half-seas over the water says:

    How can the Scottish independence movement claim to be genuine if it continues to accept the legitimacy of the House of Hanover (called Windsor)? A new monarch or no monarch! That should be the slogan. A real Stuart heir is what they should demand. “It was all for our rightful king.” Remember?

  215. 215
    Jim says:

    No worries, us Scots subsidise scrounging England. And not just financially, our history, landscapes and quality of life are far richer too.

    Why do you think the establishment is so determined to keep us-because we subsidise you lot.

    I think the reason there are so many downright offensive comments on here about the Scots is because the English, whom live in an overcrowded, backwards cesspit are simply jealous.

    I don’t blame you, it’s a wonderful country.

    You stick to your immigrant population, full of s**m like white dee…..and your pathetic assumptions about Scotland. No worries if you are blinded by biggotry, it’s why we have always been more succesful than the English.

    My English employees (Thats people whom work for me, and get paid money by me) are only too happy to live and work here….

    And no, I don’t want independence, I believe in the union.

  216. 216
    Jim says:

    Exactly-It’s hilarious all this biggotry about the Scots and how it’s such a scummy, socialist place. Where was benefits street filmed again?

    This coming from a country with towns like Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Sheffield, Newcastle etc etc etc. Absolute Sh*te holes, and they could teach us a thing or 2 about socialism.

    I thought this blog was inhabited by intelligent people. I was badly wrong. The hypocrisy and lack of facts, ignorance and bile makes me wonder about cutting the Southern Scroungers loose. Let them have their overpopulated huntry all to themselves, all the better to go Morris Dancing and kicking each others’ heads in.

  217. 217
    Jim says:

    Brillo did

  218. 218
    Jim says:

    hahahah! Scotland is like Birmingham but on a bigger scale?! hahahhaahaha!

    How’s it going in your padded cell?

  219. 219
    name says:

    Jim, lad – The English are not jealous, honest!

    But we are full up to the eye balls with the the recent Scotch cvnts you sent us who (a) took us into an illegal war on a dreamed up fairy tale; (b) Spent all Britain’s’ money on God alone knows what; (c) destroyed the fabric of our once harmonious and homogenous society with their disgusting immigration policies; (d) politicised just about every institution we have from the fields of law, justice, education etc.; (e) gerrymandered the parliamentary constituency boundaries…. etc etc etc

    Yup, you lot have a lot to make really jealous about. We note particularly the performance of two of your corrupt and incompetent – not to say downright crooked – banks.

  220. 220
    Jim says:

    FFS, you know I live ‘up there’.

    I am a decent Scot. With a degree.

    I run my own businesses and employ English people (shock horror)

    I haven’t felt the need to leave.

    When I lived in Cardiff on the other hand…….

  221. 221
    name says:

    Gorbals Mick also provides a decent precedent!

  222. 222
    name says:

    Once again Jim, lad, you miss the fucking point! Which is that these shytholes are represented by LABOUR MPs and oiks which why they have never made any progress. It is this chronic imbalance provided by Scotch mini-constituencies which will be corrected at a stroke and hopefully Labour will thereafter be but a footnote in history. When you lot say tata, you will be taking a large number of your Labourite compatriots with you. Once that has been accomplished, the necessary repair and rehabilitation work can begin in earnest. Make sure you get your supply of mars bars in early.

  223. 223
    Pundit Too. says:

    I do not know what drug Guido is on in thinking this “Cameron frit” comment would be taken seriously by anyone with half a brain.
    I would say only Liebor tribal followers and MP’s would want Salmond to fail as Darling is leading in attempting to do.
    Most of us would want an independent Scotland, paying us for the oil infrastructure, moving weaponry down south, without the £, being rebuffed by the Scandinavians, and fully in the EU living off its teat.
    Then we would see a dramatic increase in Scotland’s main export – its people.
    Far bigger than oil or whisky.

  224. 224
    Jim says:

    A) was your Attorney general Scottish? Blair wasn’t, although he likes to think it
    B) English quangos are quite good at that
    C)Mandellson was Scottish?
    D)I dont believe every instutution was gubbed by a Scotsman
    E) You mean Lloyds? Barclays? HSBC? Northern Rock?

  225. 225
    Jim says:

    So it’s all the fault of Scottish Labour politicians then, is it?

    I seriously suggest getting out of your ‘can’t do’ attitude, they never stopped me being succesful.

    I ould be happy to see socialist Labour consigned to history, but it’s got nowt to do with them being Scottish

    You keep telling yourself that, though. I’m off Salmon fishing in the sunshine and solitude.

  226. 226
    Anonymous says:


  227. 227
    Anonymous says:

    Without Scotland contribution you’ll all be skint until you retire and then there’s no pension better start saving now

  228. 228
    name says:

    They will need residence permits or leave to remain stickers

  229. 229
    Anonymous says:

    Did you make this one up or get it from wikkipedia ?

  230. 230
    name says:

    Fish farming will only damage the environment more than it already has been. Fish farming should be banned.

  231. 231
    name says:

    That American Braveheart fellow will be extremely pissed off when he reads that!

  232. 232
    name says:

    Anyone else notice the lefty dictatorial tendency of those countries. Birds of a feather I suppose….

  233. 233
    name says:

    Facts? What on earth are they? Bliar, Brown, Bush Cheney, Cameron… it’s their own private dialect.

  234. 234
    Anonymous says:


  235. 235
    Jeremiah says:

    Maybe, Dave thinks they might book the venue at the Glasgow Empire for a debate.

  236. 236
    Jeremiah says:

    It could be they are realising that their supplies of Scotch in in future may be become severly limited, they could always get around that, by importing dirt cheap whiskey from China, you know 2 year old firewater, and of course I almost forgot the revenues and taxes from scotch whisky industry.

  237. 237
    Jeremiah says:

    What would happen if the Thames rises 6 meters above the high tide line, just think of all those lovely underground railway stations, it will be a national disaster, the worst thing since the Great Flood, blind panic, £Billions spent in compensation and putting things right, and of course all the rest of the country would have to contribute inluding Somerset.

  238. 238
    Jeremiah says:

    Are you refering to Londonistan? That used to be a swamp.

  239. 239
    The jocks wan't to walk away Scott free after Darion two says:

    Because to much of the establishment is Scottish cons living in England because they can’t get elected north of the tweed

  240. 240
    The jocks wan't to walk away Scott free after Darion two says:

    So which English city was Antony C L Blaire born in then Jim?

  241. 241
    broderick crawford says:


    a nice glug of ” gold watch ” — can t beat it ….. class!!!

  242. 242
    Anonymous says:

    So when he says he wants Scotland to stay he actually means he wants it to go??

  243. 243
    Anonymous says:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch_(adjective) er I’ll go with Shakespeare on this.

  244. 244

    Have been on the road all day today, so coming into this page very late…

    Can’t resist it though.

    Fuck off all you Scotch c’unts! We will be better off without you.

  245. 245
    Sam the Skull drinking Buckfast in Maryhill and occasionally dodging the Strathclyde constabulary says:

    Piss off, wee kitty. Meet a real Scottish cat.

  246. 246
    cynic says:

    Perhaps Mr. Putin would like to rent a nuclear submarine base from them?

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