February 1st, 2014

Union Reform: Follow the Money

GMB Red Ed Ballot Paper

Ed’s proposals are being briefed out. At first glance they seem a sensible attempt to reduce control of the Labour Party by union vested interests. As always the key factor is money. Here it doesn’t look so good. The unions seem to keep control of the purse strings:

“…for too long we have operated with structures which were laid down in a different era which did not anticipate the new forms of communication and community activism available for a modern political party.

And, in a 21st Century political party, it is no longer acceptable or fair for people to give money to it without having made an active choice as individuals to do so.

So every individual member of an affiliated trade union will be given a straight “Yes or No” choice about whether they want to pay a small sum to ensure their union’s voice is heard within the party.

Trade unions will continue to affiliate collectively to Labour but, for the first time, the payment of affiliation fees will become a wholly transparent process based on individual positive consent.

These reforms will be introduced during 2014 and will apply to new members of affiliated organisations first. It will be fully implemented for existing members of such organisations within five years – which is the time frame recommended by successive reports into the future of political funding by Sir Gerald Hayden Phillips and Sir Christopher Kelly.

During this period, affiliated organisations will be encouraged to help the party maximise the number of people who agree to pay an affiliation fee.

At the end of this period, the affiliation of each organisation will be determined by the number of members who have consented to the payment of affiliation fees. Only those who have made a positive choice to pay affiliation fees will be counted.”

These reforms are a good start, unfortunately it is still the case that he who pays the piper calls the tune…

UPDATE: Source says “it’s a five-year plan. And anything political phased in over five years is unlikely to come to pass.”


  1. 1
    AncientMariner says:

    An excellent move.
    I recall many years ago, because I opted out of the political levy, I had to go to Transport house once a year to retrieve my money.
    It irritated them and delighted me, but less strong willed members couldn’t face it.

  2. 2
    Rob says:

    So, the union will still know who has and who hasn’t paid. Same opportunity for intimidation.

    No change, cosmetic but enough material for the BBC to claim huge reform.

  3. 3
    DAVE one term flop CAMERON says:

    Good job i don’t face a ballot What !

  4. 4
    kmc says:

    “…for too long we have operated with structures which were laid down in a different era”


  5. 5
    Mr Potato Head2 says:

    Every party leader should have a secret ballot of MPs and MEPs every five years. Simple.

  6. 6
    Sir William Wayde says:

    People mainly join trade unions because they believe the union will protect them as individual employees if they are under threat of dismissal, disciplinary action or having their job changed for worst. They don’t usually join the union out of a commitment to syndicalism or democratic socialism. If they really do have to opt in to supporting the Labour Party it will mean a long, slow decline in income for Labour, as older union members retire.

    Collectively, most employees lose if there is a powerful trade union in their walk of life, unless they can maintain a monopoly like the Underground drivers. Because unions resist change, unionised jobs tend to become poorly-paid and unsatisfying. Eventually they are privatised or abolished. Even the tube drivers will eventually be replaced by automated trains.

    Present-day ‘political’ unions exist because of the myth that unionised workers all have some common interest, in opposition to the rest of us. They would preferably be replaced by full-time protection schemes for individual employees.

  7. 7
    altruism in industry says:

    I opted out of the levy with ACTT and just didn’t pay that part of the subs if I remember correctly.

  8. 8
    Ah! ha says:

    You’re Lard Prescott. Bring me a G&T.

  9. 9
    Anonymous says:

    If union resources are used to “encourage(d) to help the party maximise the number of people who agree to pay an affiliation fee.” would that constitute a donation in kind to the Labour Party. Would it be reported as such and funded out of their accumulated political funds.

    Just asking.

  10. 10
    Ah! bugger says:

    I wish I could join in. But I was never working class.

  11. 11
    C.O.Jones says:

    As per usual, Miliband is talking crap. Opting out of the political levy never made one iota of a change in union contributions to the Labour Party.

    This is just window dressing. The moment this man uses the word transparent then you can be sure he borrowed Tony Blairs “Box of Words that Sound Good”.

  12. 12
    Ed Miliband says:

    One Mong One Vote!

  13. 13
    altruism in industry says:

    but then I think they had a fire in the office and nobody knew who owed what after that.

  14. 14
    Anne McIntosh says:

    Can I join Labour?

  15. 15
    Ah! better late than never says:

    Baroness Sally Morgan, who is leaving her post as chair of schools inspectorate Ofsted, claims she is the victim of a “determined effort” to appoint more Conservatives.

  16. 16
    Emily Fatbelly says:

    I was so upset at the audience laughing at me on Question Time on Thursday, I went home and stuffed my face with pastries. And then put it on expenses.

  17. 17
    I had hoped that Jack would be the last Straw says:

    Mao ‘encouraged’ professionals to work in the fields

  18. 18
    C.O.Jones says:

    What is this woman going on about?

    She was appointed Chair of Ofsted in 2011 – must have been a Labour govt in power then.

  19. 19
    John Prescott says:

    This is by way of important party reform for that which is can be seen that Ed believes because he’s saying this is what he believes and as like when with Tony on Clause 4, so comrades, I ask you to support Ed because for that which is important to beat the Tories, the reform is essential so that we can pull wool over eyes of you thickies and for that which the bankers the bonuses and our thick voters who think we give a shit about the poor bedroom tax cost of living and chicken korma please, put it on my tab.

  20. 20
    C.O.Jones says:

    Stopped watching that program years ago. Bias in is bias out, even the audience are selected.

  21. 21
    Not Good Enough. Must try harder. says:

    The yes or no selection for a small sum.

    Is it confidential?
    What is a small sum?
    Why should members be asked to donate to a political party?
    Why not include donation options to the other parties?
    Is Ed’s plan so useless because the Unions are Stonger than Labour?

  22. 22
    Dreaming of the new Liebour world says:

    Same people, same voices, same speeches, same change, same spin, same rubbish, same believers, same nothing, same tell the media enough times and the braindead will believe it, same Liebour, no change.

  23. 23
    rick says:

    Same here.

  24. 24
    Ctesibius says:

    Odd that it takes five years to turn the sheeple’s money tap off. Why?

  25. 25
    Dave says:

    Well slap me in the face with a wet ukipper.

  26. 26
    The Tory Board says:

    We thought you had.

  27. 27
    Anonymous says:

    multiple choice exam paper for Sally Morgan.

    Q1. I lost my job because:

    a) I wasnt good enough

    b) a determined effort to appoint more Conservatives.

  28. 28
    brown the clown says:

    Hahahahahahahaha, a sexist homophobe topped the popular vote to win Celebrity Big Brother, perhaps hapless Ed should take a few pointers from Jim Davidson.

  29. 29
    JH3492384923056 says:

    Just read the oozing disdain the Guardian has for the public for committing the capital thought crime of letting Jim Davidson win big brother.

    How dare they. Jim Davidson is not on the side of the angels. It is not acceptable to like Jim Davidson.

    These sanctimonious twats are not going to enjoy losing the wrecking control they have had over our culture for the last 30 years.

  30. 30
    Reminds me of Ed Mili at PMQs says:

    Hundreds of mourners who came to the wake of Christopher Rivera Amaro in San Juan found his body propped up with a yellow hood on his head and blue boxing gloves on his hands. The makeshift ring was set up in a community centre of a public housing complex by the boxer’s family – who dedicated several hours to creating the scene

  31. 31
    Chalky White says:

    Talentless, wife beating, unfunny sexist homophobe, if you don’t mind. Nick nick!

  32. 32
    Dreaming just dreaming says:

    If the BBC is so brilliant and people “like” it’s programming, now is the time to change the way it’s funded and allow it to make more money for it’s programming, why are they still funding it by taxation, why not allow it to be funded by subscription, it’s popularity will bring more money to the treasury.

  33. 33
    Big Jim says:

    Two fingers up to the PC establishment, fuck you chalky.

  34. 34
    Bemused of Bath says:


    WTF are you wittering on about? Why is Jim Davidson (the comedian?) supposed to be a big brother?

  35. 35
    DAVE one term flop CAMERON says:

    Now where’s Sam ? She took Francios a cup of tea an hour ago
    Ah she must be waiting for the cup

  36. 36
    Nick nicked says:

    I agree with the principle of what you’re saying, but the common consensus around here is that Channel 4 et al make sure everything is rigged. A day before the results, the conviction would’ve been they’d ensure he loses. So how do some square that type of paranoia with the fact he won? Surely Channel 4 would have rigged the results? Same way everyone here was certain the bbc would rig the sports personality of the year so that bradley wiggins doesn’t win, but he did.

    Sometimes there’s bias, sometimes there isn’t. The paranoid certainty that everything is always fixed just looks absurd when the facts don’t bear it out, as with Davidson winning.

  37. 37
    Nick nicked says:

    Before you say it, yes, I just remembered it was on Channel 5, not 4. I don’t mind admitting when I’ve made an error. :-D

  38. 38
    I dislike socialists intensely says:

    Labour ,rotten to the core. Miliband will still be Len McClusky,s poodle and will do exactly as he is told .He is a weak leader and will always be a puppet .

  39. 39
    I dislike socialists intensely says:

    Many years ago when I was in a union ,I eventually contracted out , but the union
    did everything possible to be awkward . Utter scum !

  40. 40
    Pschye the Dog says:

    “These reforms are a good start, unfortunately it is still the case that he who pays the piper calls the tune…” how very true Fawkes, when is Dave who is the head of the Cons, I think, but that seems debatable, going to publish the true big doners to the Cons, you have hit the nail on the head with that last statement Guido, the bulk of UK uncommitted voters are waiting for an answer. Everyone remembers leading up to B’Liar (the detested) victory 1997 he was courting big business , especially the City Boys and “bankers”, was he saying to them, “give us some money, and we will see what we can do for you, we are now a very friendly business party”, and we know where that eventually led to.

  41. 41
    Hard hearted Anna the dinner lady from Hell says:

    If she considers herself to be a chair then she should be put back in the front room by the piano.

  42. 42
    New Boy thinks he knows it all says:

  43. 43
    R Hon DC says:

    Oh, how horrible, I would get my lovely hands dirty, I am not a man of the soil, I am not a plebeian, the very thought makes my skin crawl.

  44. 44
    Power to the Unions says:

  45. 45
    nell says:


    Talking of unions here’s high life bob crow on a south american cruise costing £thousands as his members prepare to strike.

  46. 46
    Nigel Farage says:

    Can I transfer my contribution from labour to UKIP please.

  47. 47
    Hard hearted Anna the dinner lady from Hell says:

    Scousers or Arsonal supporters do you think?

  48. 48
    Hard hearted Anna the dinner lady from Hell says:

    Chucky sets out his 2015 dictatorial manifesto…

  49. 49
    USA says:

  50. 50
    R Hon DC says:

    No! I was in charge, she was a B’Liarite anyway, but she did not become a Con as I though she might have done.

  51. 51
    Taxpayer says:

    And Dave is just Blair’s political heir

    He even has some of the same financial backers

    And of course he would start another illegal war if the Coalition allowed him to

    And he will become another neo con political pimp when he is kicked out by the electors soon

    Or by his own backbencherd

    He is a wannabe Geeko like Blair

  52. 52
    JH3492384923056 says:

    Just to clarify, I don’t give a shit about Davidson and his end of the pier shit.

    I just can’t stand sanctimony from people who have an emotionally driven need to tell others what to do in order that they feel well of themselves.

  53. 53
    Hard hearted Anna the dinner lady from Hell says:

    Is that ballot or bullet?

  54. 54
    Up the workers says:

  55. 55
    Power to the Union (bosses) says:

  56. 56
    Taxpayer says:


    Or Wolf

  57. 57
    X LABOUR says:

    How much are the Kinnocks raking in from their pensions these days, and still working, and getting the family onto the gravy train. Nepotism is alive and doing very well!!!

  58. 58
    Hard hearted Anna the dinner lady from Hell says:

    Is it aimed at Streatham?

  59. 59
    R Hon DC says:

    Good idea, I will set the level at about £11 per month and bring in advertising, and made make Sky pay the going price for the Beebs old programs, what, what.

  60. 60
    Ronnie Cohen in Monte Carlo says:

    Meanwhile I am so glad you never mention who actually pulls the srings in Britain

    Keep the smokescreen up Guido

    You know who your masters are

  61. 61
    altruism in industry says:

    Does George Galloway really not drink alcohol ?

  62. 62
    Archie says:

    The level of intelligence of those who dreamed up this idiotic scheme is evident from the scheme itself…..and they would have us let them be our masters!!!

  63. 63
    Caw said the Crow. Balls said the Milligan says:

  64. 64
    altruism in industry says:

    it would be more inspiring if it was a real rocket

  65. 65
    Möben Kitchens mit umlaut says:

    Guess what?

    I took a job as a milkman in 1971 and had to join the TGWU, there being no other option.

    But the Heath government had at least introduced an opt-out of the political levy. I said I did not want to contribute to the Labour party.

    They looked at me solemnly and assured me that no levy would be deducted from my pay.

    You can probably guess this: it was!

    Here we are, 43 years later, listening to this twat. Why can’t I believe that anything is really going to change?

  66. 66
    Pay Your Subs says:

    This “Small Sum of Money” that Ed Miliband speaks of. It’s not really so small is it.

  67. 67
    Frank says:

    To be frank. Chuka wasn’t really inspired, he just tweeted that he was because he thought it was the right thing to say, to gain a few more votes.

  68. 68
    Captain Henry Morgan says:

    My daughterrr – if she be mine, and her mother ain’t telling – always were a froward wench.

  69. 69
    C.O.Jones says:

    Sky already pay the going price.

    Besides, who wants to watch that old rubbish anyway? It’s been repeated so often over the years that our kids view us with disdain that we ever watched that stuff.

    In those days there were only four terrestrial channels and we had that rubbish crammed down our throats year in year out.

  70. 70
    Sir William Wayde says:

    Davidson has one thing in common with the Beeb’s favourite student-socialist comics. He isn’t funny.

  71. 71
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Labour party still pissed and broke.

  72. 72
    john in cheshire says:

    Why must it take 5 years to fully implement? Why can’t the requirement for voluntary subscriptions begin immediately? 5 years gives Mr Crow and his thugs ample time to devise ways to by-pass the new rules.

  73. 73
    Lord Stansted says:

    Was Bob Crow privately eduacted? He appears to know how to spell “co-ordinated”.

  74. 74
    Lord Stansted says:

    Oh dear. It seems I went to a bog-standard comprehensive.

  75. 75
    Sir William Wayde says:

    I think he injects it.

  76. 76
    Anonymous says:

    I don’t understand why its problematic for unions to fund parties Guido? Everything is funded by something, including Mr Fawkes.

  77. 77
    Non taxable pikey says:

    A fine figure of two men. I didn’t think he could turn even more red; I was wrong you could fry several breakfasts on that gut.

  78. 78
    Mike Giggler says:

    I went for a job as a milkie but I bottled it.

  79. 79
    Non taxable pikey says:

    It’s not just Liebour has-beens with their snouts in the EU trough.

  80. 80
    Sir William Wayde says:

    The party sub is a form of mis-selling. People feel they need the protection of a trade union but they end up paying for a crap political party.

  81. 81
    This is the BBC says:

    Why would a PC channel promote Jim Davidson you fucking idiot?

  82. 82
    Anonymous says:

    The fact is that the Trades Unions will run the Labour Party,its about the finances,because if Trades Uionists are given the honest choice they wont pay the political levy and only those after honours ie House of Lords,knighthoods etc would be barmy enough to give Labour money.But ordinary members of the Trades Unions will be given a limited choice of opting out of the levy.It took me 18 months before I was able to disaffiliate.

  83. 83
    Democracy says:

    One Man, One Vote.

    Anything else is bullshit.

  84. 84
    Anonymous says:

    He might be able to spell it but he dosnt know what it means,fat bastard.

  85. 85
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    This CPP selling must stop.

  86. 86
    The British media are cunts says:

    Needless to say the BBC mong who interviewed Tony Blair’s live in lover for many years didn’t follow up when Falkoner claimed Labour never appointed their own lackeys when in power. Of course not, you could see the cum dribbling down the face of the BBC presenter as he handed out the verbal blow job interview.

  87. 87
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    That chair Crow is sitting on is a tennis umpires chair. It was 5ft higher before he sat down.

  88. 88
    The British media are cunts says:

    One for the ladies!!

  89. 89
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Hain is sad.

  90. 90
    Democracy says:

    If unions actually funded the party, I’d be in agreement. But they don’t.

    They get a hugh amount of their money from the taxpayer.

    The unoins also direct funds, second staff, subsidize printing and office space etc to specific individual MPs to buy their votes in parliament, (often in breach of laws on election expenses). That is corruption.

  91. 91
    Anonymous says:

    You are the cream of the crop.

  92. 92
    Someone else says:

    I once had to join the national union of railwaymen in order to sell tea on Liverpool Street Station.

  93. 93
    White Dee says:

    Chek out mi profyle on plentee ov fysh. Dont judge book by cover. U mite njoy wats inside. I wuldnt kno, cos I neva reed any books.


    My interests includ smoking, drinking, football watchin not playin, and benefits.

    My ideeal dayte is dinner at me local doner kebab house and a quick fumbl down me tracksuit bottoms.

  94. 94
    Mike Handycock says:

    I may be interested in a no strings attached sniff.You never know.

  95. 95
    Bloody Hell. It is a brand spanking new house. says:

  96. 96
    EUHATER says:

    The fat git can often be seen guzzling lager in the pubs around Euston and Russell square surrounded by his union catamites .

  97. 97
    EUHATER says:

    Only the best is good enough for the workers representatives

  98. 98
    Nick nicked says:

    You’re absolutely right. I guess that means BBC1 is a PC channel for having had Jim Davidson present Big Break and The Generation Game for over a decade, and also explains why the BBC pay Jeremy Clarkson a ton of money to appear on a bunch of their programmes.

    Now, look in the mirror and say out loud “I’m a thickie c-unt who’s the result of my mum being r*ped by Gary Glitter and I should be wary of calling others fucking idiots”.

  99. 99
    Are there implications for our ruling classes in their schools were infested by child abusers ? says:

    Charlie Falkoner is the definition of a lickspittle.

  100. 100
    BBC are shit says:

    The BBC couldn’t balance a plate on a fucking stick.

  101. 101
    Mr Nobody says:

    He’s still funnier than Jo Brand.

  102. 102
    Are there implications for our ruling classes as their schools were infested by child abusers ? says:

    He feasts on himself.

  103. 103
    M102 says:

    I thought it was a syringe at the first glance.

  104. 104
    The Sixth Dense says:

    Why was a fat fraudulent psychic made head of OFSTED in the first place?


  105. 105
    Anonymous says:

    All this bollox about TU reform,Labour will win the next election because of the millions dependent on state handouts like tax credits,housing benefit,free dinners,free childcare and the myriad of other state handouts,I exclude the State Pension.In the end it will be the IMF that sorts out public spending but it will be too late.I would like to think the Tories would do it but they just dont have the electoral sums.Why do people think Obama was elected in the US? it was because of the millions sucking on the teat of the Usa taxpayer.I doubt you will ever see another real Republican like Reagan in the White House unless he is dark skinned,is fluent in Spanish and a real libertarian,in other words no chance.

  106. 106
    DAVE one term flop CAMERON says:

    Don’t they try to refloat beached whales ?

  107. 107
    Mr Nobody says:

    Hain has shown how committed he is to the socialist cause by trying to dye his skin red over many years. Unfortunately it hasn’t held fast and he’s been left a curious orangey amber hue instead. Maybe he’ll follow Vince and join the Lib Dems.

  108. 108
    Lord Mandelson says:

    If Bob had invested his £140,000 a yr into buying property when houses were cheap (pre Labour house price boom) he would be a millionaire like the rest of us.
    Now his £140.000 would barely get him a mortgage to buy that council shithole.

  109. 109
    Mr Nobody says:

    Miliband couldn’t win a raffle, the trend of his polling has slowly been heading south for a long time. Come the election Labour will be looking at 220 seats at best.

  110. 110
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    Dear Hard Working People, you have never had it so good.

  111. 111
    Jack Ketch says:

    @ Lord Stanstead
    Something odd about Comrade Bob (ex-communist party member and current communist party supporter). His CV claims secondary modern school and leaving at age 16 to do manual work; he has an Alf Garnett accent and a Reggie Kray presence. Yet, he knows the difference between a merlot and a shiraz without seeing the label, he can do complex calculations in his head without making a putz of himself as most elected politicians do and is always grammatically correct in his speech.
    Oddly, his brother, brought up in the same home and attending the same school, speaks with totally different accent and is a broker on the stock exchange.

  112. 112
    Mr Mrs Balls says:

    Not bad but it’s a semi.

    But not as nice as the detached houses that the taxpayer bought for us.

  113. 113
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    And I was a Bullingdon Boy !

    I know my place.

  114. 114
    altruism in industry says:

    were you shaken up ?

  115. 115
    Violent Homosexuals attack Christian Pensioner's house. says:

  116. 116
    Mad Frankie Maude says:

    Come on WOMEN

    Wake up

    Tories & women?

    They want to take you all back to Victorian Times

    When women had NO vote.

  117. 117
    Owen Jones says:

    I find Eric Pickles sexually attractive

  118. 118
    Crow hates being told says:

    Six years after being born I was helping my Dad with his vegetable patch, sweeping the yard. What’s that Child Slave Labour or being helpful without even thinking about not doing it.

  119. 119
    He was Blaming CAMERON not the Gayers. says:

    12 people out of a population complained.

    Or put another way. 62,999,988 people did not complain.


  120. 120
    And it's been downhill ever since says:

    To be fair. Since women had the vote we’ve had two world wars, one cold war and and an axis of evil.

    This is not a record to be proud of.

  121. 121
    You move on says:

    What kind of chair, high chair

  122. 122
    Question Time Wars says:

    I know many of you don’t watch Question Time, but next Thursday’s edition is set to be a bit of popcorn worthy showdown. On the panel will be Dr David Starkey and George Galloway. That’s going to be a verbal punch-up of LOL proportions.

    If you don’t tune in, you’ll miss out on entertaining moments like this, where Labour’s Emily Twelvebellies got completely monstered by the audience, Ken Clarke and even David Dimbleby.

  123. 123
    Be careful what you sit on says:

    Blair had a sofa but got caught out sitting next to Gaddafi on a plastic seat. Brown kicked him out Government, Parliament and much of British Politics for that.

  124. 124
    Rejoice! says:

    And also an absolutely appalling female prime minister. I completely agree with you. A horrendous record.

  125. 125
    Your seat confers power says:

    The Queen sits on a throne which Prince Charles expects to use one day.

  126. 126
    John Reid says:

    I have a sparkly seat sat on four times a day.

  127. 127
    Umunna obviously superior says:

    I’m having my own party. Invitation only.

  128. 128
    The Teacher says:

    So did the kids.

  129. 129
    Hain from SA in spain near Neath says:

    I will need a sponsored premier transfer fee with glossy literature, BBC coverage and a palace fully funded to make this historic leap.

  130. 130
    altruism in industry says:

    is Greenpeace full of homosexuals now ?

  131. 131
    JH3492384923056 says:

    Brownshirts in tie-die, the lot of them.

  132. 132
    The CP stooge soon to be booted out of no. 10 says:

    Swamped with propositions from my bum-sex chums, eh ? Lucky bastard.

  133. 133
    Non taxable pikey says:

    His head is so far up his @rsehole he can lick his own tonsils.

  134. 134
    Miss Manners says:

    Don’t talk with your mouth full, there’s a good assclown…

  135. 135
    M says:

    Bob is appearing in the mail today , he’s gonna give Gavin Henson a run for his money .

  136. 136
    Revolution Light says:

    There is the question of accession by another one – Charles, and his alcoholic woman that really should be on the cards.

    Perhaps now is the time to table the republic question – particularly if the kingdom is about to disintegrate, and if sovereignty is accepted as lost.

    The UK needs a political movement to support the republican view.

  137. 137
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    Emily Thornberry is an inferior version of Jacqui Smith.

    Didn’t think Labour could do that, but they did !

  138. 138
    Anonymous says:

    Typical eastern block form of democracy, unlike western Democracy where people are engaged.

  139. 139
    Anonymous says:

    Another comment from a labour hypocrite.

  140. 140
    Yuri Dickulus says:

    Let me guess, Sunny Jim– you plan to keep on giving it to us at every turn, correct?

  141. 141
    TUC to buy and run footy team says:

    TUC are seriously considering buying a potential premier league football club to be run under their management principles. Penciled in full fill roles are Bob Crow as chairman, Owen Jones merchandise, Manager tbd, Players as registered. Team colours army green.

  142. 142
    Anonymous says:

    Making sure labour fook the working class.

  143. 143
    FFS says:

    Chucky announces his belief that political parties need to re-engage with the broad electorate in a newspaper with a circulation of just 180,000 copies.

  144. 144
    John Bellingham says:

    Recent episodes of The Daily Politics, This Week, Question Time and PMQs prove that the BBC can still produce first class comedy. It’s a bit non-PC though to rely on cheap laughs at the expense of the mentally disabled by allowing people like Berger, Umana, Raspberry et al to actually try and answer questions.

  145. 145
    DavidCameroonTurd says:

    It will backfire on him. UNITE are now certain to give members the option of not only opting-out (every member had to opt-in anyway) but also of which party they want their contribution to be used for.
    I do wonder exactly how much big business, including the bank criminals, have contributed to the conservative party, largely without comment on here or elsewhere?
    Upwards of 260 million since 2008 I hear?

  146. 146
    Jack Ketch says:

    The bums are still bumming. The rain is still raining.

  147. 147
    Peter Pain says:

    Another strong and assured message from Ed Mittyband.

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    Casual Observer 6 says:

    Sounds like they are stealing ideas from M’andela…

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    Pissed off says:

    I have applied to be in the QT audience half a dozen times and had no reply. Next week it is in my home town–still no reply. Instead of being a 63 year old retired floating voter, maybe I should fill in the form as an unemployed, Urdu-speaking member of UAF with a criminal record.

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    Casual Observer 6 says:

    Did you count the fraudulent Labour postal votes there ?

  151. 151
    Jack Ketch says:

    It was Winnie wot ran the Mandela United Football team. Anyway, most of the ream members were re-tyred early.

  152. 152
    Dave says:

    You’d be surprised how many people want to watch repeats of Top Gear mind

  153. 153
    Jack Ketch says:

    I meant “team” of course.

  154. 154
    Jin Davidson says:

    Into a Belfast pub comes Paddy Murphy, looking like he’d just been run over by a train.
    His arm is in a sling, his nose is broken, his face is cut and bruised and he’s walking with a limp.
    “What happened to you?” asks Sean, the bartender.
    “Jamie O’Conner and me had a fight,” says Paddy.
    “That little shit, O’Conner,” says Sean,
    “He couldn’t do that to you, he must have had something in his hand.”
    “That he did,” says Paddy, “a shovel is what he had, and a terrible lickin’ he gave me with it.”
    “Well,” says Sean, “you should have defended yourself,
    “Didn’t you have something in your hand?”
    “That I did,” said Paddy. “Mrs. O’Connor’s breast, and a thing of beauty it was, but useless in a fucking fight.”

  155. 155
    Oi says:

    It all turned sour

  156. 156
    Blind Pew says:

    I always wondered what her mother looked like.

  157. 157
    FFS says:

    If Channel 4 has rigged the results that would be absolutely OUTRAGEOUS!

    Big Brother is now on Channel 5…….

  158. 158
    FFS says:

    Were there really white kids at that school or did they just run out of brown paint when they were doing the portraits at the back?

  159. 159
    Owen Jones says:

    Team colours shall have pink ribbons, back and front, easy to recognize. The shirt shall have meaning.

  160. 160
    Peter Hain says:

    I have a smartphone with no commas or full-stops

  161. 161
    Owen Jones says:

    He has a hairy chest but no hairs on his legs. What does it mean?

  162. 162
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    I hope you didn’t assume I was referring to Nelson ;-)

  163. 163
    Never been a Leech says:

    In order to understand the way the collective mind of a TV channel works you need only consider “Who pays the bill?”

    BBC – Govn – Needs to be pro PC

    Five – Adverts/Sponsorship/High cost phone ins – /needs to be controversial

    Its not about being politically correct or not its about the money

  164. 164
    All socialists are hypocrites says:

    One of the worst examples of many that inhabit the Labour Party and that is saying a lot

  165. 165
    Ed Balls - Shallow Chancer says:


  166. 166
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    It’s not how much are they getting, but what did they to get it and why are they getting it now.

  167. 167
    Lord Stansted says:

    @Jack Ketch
    Now that’s the sort of interesting news the BBC never mentions. Reminds me of Michael Meacher inventing working-class roots.

  168. 168
    Questions of our time says:

    Is it true that part of the initiation ceremony for gaining access to the Bullingdon club involves r’aping a child at Oxford and Cherwell college under the gaze of MI-5 and Common Purpose ?

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    You do know it's all a myth? says:

    You’ll find average London house prices here:-


    The J e w s tend to live in Golders Green.

    Frankly this great J e w i s h conspiracy isn’t paying off is it?

  170. 170
    Ed Balls says:

    I invented my own equivalent of the Bullingdon Club called “The Steamers”. We thought is wizard wheeze to dress up as stormstroopers.

  171. 171
    Len McCluskey says:

    We are the world
    We are the unions
    We are the ones to call a strike today
    So let’s stop working

  172. 172
    The Third Programme says:

    and it can fucking stay there.

  173. 173
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    Nothing is to the left of me.

  174. 174
    RomaBob.... Buy Beeg Issue! says:

    We love our council properties and even rent some of them out to other Romas :)

    Thank you :)

  175. 175
    That bloody dinner lady again says:

    … and Muffin the Mule…?

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    FFS says:

    The USA is finished.

    They let in no end of Hispanics that had no money. They still have no money, because it turns out the American Dream actually requires you to not so much dream as get up and do some bloody work. Hispanics didn’t realise that – if they had believed work was the answer they would have tried it in Mexico…..

    So now the Mexicans have adopted another approach. Just vote to steal the money off the rich white folks. That will work for a while, but eventually that magic money tree will also cease to bear any fruit…..

    The question is when will the whites realise that democracy in the US is simply voting to steal money off people and bring it to an abrupt end?

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    Former Hard Working Person says:

    Dear Mr Cameron,

    Due to the Effective Marginal Tax on salaries between £10,000 and £50,000 being 75% I have decided to give up hard work and adopt “lazy” instead.

    Yours Truly,

    Former Hard Working Person.

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    john says:

    I refused to pay the political full stop.Anyway the branch secretary decided which way the
    branch voted,will that change?

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    That bloody dinner lady again says:

    He looks like he comes from Brixton or Tower Hamlets!

  180. 180
    Clapham Common Bummer says:

    Look chum, we do significantly less bumming when it is raining.

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    That bloody dinner lady again says:

    Well he certainly did when I bought him a short one evening in Africa.

  182. 182
    Curse of Chucky (bestowed by Gordon Broon) says:

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    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Fatal Heart Custardy?.

  184. 184
    Jack D, black men 4 me says:

    Ballet for me, preferably Matthew Bourne’s ‘Swan Lake’.

  185. 185
    Russell Brand says:

    So is cholera.

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    You do know it's all a myth? says:

    Nominal per capita GDP:-

    UK: $39,000

    !srael: $32,000

    Nope, the internation conspiracy isn’t really paying off.

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    Couch potato says:

    I did notice that the phrasing at eviction time did not seem to contain the words
    ‘ the votes have been counted and verified’ if I recall.
    Maybe Mr Desmond could explain that anomaly?

  188. 188
    Jack, still in the doghouse with 'arriet says:

    I like them black.

  189. 189
    The Man From the Pru says:

    Hain is the sort of guy who carries signed photographs of himself around

  190. 190
    Google Translate says:

    It’s supposed to say “Neo-natal heart care” but a software programme can only do so much.

  191. 191
    The Lib Dems says:

    How about a nice yellow stripe up the back?

  192. 192
    Ikey Mo says:

    He should do – we pay well enough.

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    Islington voter says:


    In 2006, Steve Hitchens, then-leader of Islington Council, complained to the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, Sir Philip Mawer, that Ms Thornberry had “altered an electronic copy of an Electoral Commission news release by inserting a quotation from herself”

    Thornberry’s primary motive was to act in the public interest by supporting the Electoral Commission’s campaign to improve response rates, and consequently levels of voter registration.

    Ask me do I believe her. Go on, ask me!

  194. 194
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    King Prawn char sui.

  195. 195
    Cinna says:

    Lives in a council house I believe.

  196. 196
    Blubber says:

    Is there anything worse than no self-understanding?

  197. 197
    Look On The Bright Side says:

    It may not get you on Question Time but it might get you some decent benefit handouts.

  198. 198
    Emily says says:

    I think you are all being horrible to me. It wasn’t my fault that Labour HQ had not got round to telling us all what our well thought out personal opinion was on this issue.

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    N.Korean big Uncle says:

    Still think it was a great suggestion that evictions when they happen should be along the lines of the people left inside hear only silence on the outside….

    Then a single gunshot

    Spice the programme up a bit.

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    Casual Observer 6 says:

    The hispanic’s were two prongs of an offensive by the old soviet bloc, and the C’atholic Church.

    C’atholics ensured they bred like rabbits – to the degree that their home countries simply did not have the resources to support them all.

    The Soviet’s enthused them with the lazy socialist mentality that has led to the corruption of the electoral system you outline.

    In the US there are exit strategies for the rich folk to get out and stop contributing to the mess. That involves living in areas geographically separated from the poorer folk which are self sustaining, and having the means to properly defend themselves from the inevitable marauding mobs which will turn up at some time in the future looking for food etc.

    All that is required is for Atlas to shrug so to speak.

    It isn’t just hispanics though. There are plenty of economically un-viable people in the US – up to and including an older generation that has not bothered to save up properly for its retirement.

    They are beginning to learn right now that socialism cannot cover the costs, but can provide the right pretext for dealing with certain aspects of the population problem.

  201. 201
    Anonymous says:

    Ably assisted in their misdeeds by the lobbying companies?

  202. 202
    Red Robbo- Crowe says:

    Can you imagine living next door


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    You're fired says:

    I think that this is the appropriate place to point out how very lucky I was in not hiring Luisa Zissman. How very, very fortunate.

    Is it cupcakes or tarts that this woman represents in St Albans?

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    Psyche the Dog says:

    Say Captn, have you a couple of bottle of rum going free

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    Anonymous says:

    It really gets Labour that. The closest they have is the fucking elfin one and the man hater.

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    Still, it didn't hurt her pretty little head. says:

    Berger was a total disaster. She seemed unable to remember the party line on much at all.

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    Dweeb says:

    Did anyone else hear the lefty-greeny Jenny Jones on Any Questions? She “loves” paying taxes, also wants a total smoking ban in cars as it would give the police another reason to stop motorists.

    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the future of Britain.

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    Psyche the Dog says:

    Jonesy how do you know that, do you work form the Master? Not sure exactly what Sky actually actually produces itself apart from Fox News, even the films are old 20th Centuary Films, know wonder The Master bought 20th Centuary Fox just for the film library.

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    Zactly says:

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    Casual Observer 6 says:

    They are EU funded.

    This is the EU’s way of getting agitprops into Russ!a.

    They will likely be reporting more on U’kraine and undermining Put!n that the actual events.

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    No Austerity 4 Bob. Readies at the Ready says:

  213. 213

    “So every individual member of an affiliated trade union will be given a straight “Yes or No” choice about whether they want to pay a small sum to ensure their union’s voice is heard within the party.”
    Yeah. Well.
    Union members have always had the choice about the political levy.
    But if your were joining a company where the union was well entrenched. And the union rep was a vociferous supporter of Labour. Which they mostly are. And you might be anticipating needing some assistance from said rep. It’s going to be a really clever move to nix paying that small sub, isn’t it?
    So how private will the choice be?

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    Are you suggesting collusion in your first paragraph or coincidence?

  215. 215
    Cúnt Watch says:

    Do you think they use the same software as the m0d bot ?

  216. 216
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    About as much use as Eddie the Eagle.

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    Labour's Cost of Living Crisis says:

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    Casual Observer 6 says:


    A bit like the Muzzies and UAF being jointly against UK culture, and undermining UK society. They are working to the same end but independently, but it is easy to assume they are colluding simply because they are not attacking each other.

    The communists may have taken note of the C’atholic strategy and quietly incorporated that into their calculations.

    As certain sections of the Muzzie mobs realize that playing the race card helps motivate the UAF mongs to act in a certain way.

  219. 219
    MB. says:

    Is it my imagination or do I remember Labour being very selective in who they appointed to positions like that, particularly Gordon Broon.

  220. 220
    altruism in industry says:

    I hear they are looking for a striker

  221. 221
    The Sliding Olympics says:

    Considering the only thing GB is remotely good at is the Jockanese stone sliding team curling one down, then sending 85 Beeboids to cover them is just a tad excessive.

  222. 222
    Airey Belvoir says:

    LOL. Gordon Geeko, the ruthless asset stripper and tycoon, who kept getting distracted from his plots by his Mum calling him away from his video game for tea.

  223. 223
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Curling up with embarrassment.

  224. 224
    Casual Observer 6 says:

    To back up assertion of coincidence, consider how Hollywood generally portrays hispanics.

    Most are not gold digging, over sexed violent sociopaths who are out to screw the welfare system for all they can get. They do believe in having large families though, and there are gang problems in some parts of the US (but not limited to hispanics).

    Hollywood is very much a left wing operation – liberal left / communist. Its political objectives are clear if the films it produces are looked at with a critical eye.

    Typecasting protestant whites as wealthy / bad (particularly with English actors), hispanics as violent / sexually promiscuous are common examples.

    Since O’bama has been in office, Hollywood has been seconded to be a full on propaganda outlet with the aim of fulfilling certain administration aims as per Alinsky. In particular, to create tension between previously integrated ethnic groups in order to help push the rac!st diversity agenda.

  225. 225
    EU Funded Pro-EU Troll says:

    Vote UKIP

  226. 226
    No end to Labour filth says:

    Here we go again with our old friend the Last Straw but One


    Getting arrogant and annoyed even with a leftie journalist

    It must be getting to him that we know he specialises in war crimes, rendition, torture and serial lying to the House of Commons

    A troughing lying, nauseating piece of bottom feeding scum who brought death and destruction to millions including British soldiers

  227. 227
    Fat is as fat does says:

    Maybe he meant to book for Rhyl but did-a-Dromey with his phone?

  228. 228
    Oi says:

    Do they shut up shop too?

  229. 229
    Mark Wouters says:

    Sovietsalami63 Here ,
    Ed milliband is a Joke and so is the Labour party in England ,His brother David Milliband should take the Reigns before the Next election, as western europe is on a collision course with the usa as are all nations of the world, as the usa has a warped idea of Freedom and society, (as theirs is brocken and corrupt),yet they still stupidly want to force rightwing neo-conism on us ,WHY ??? , it wont work,if the yanks are stupid enough to try it on the Chinese and Russians they will have another world war on thier hands ,perhaps thats what they want as the yanks are morally socially and economically corrupt.And would like to steal all nations gold reserves ,perhaps thats what theyve alredy done to us all ???yet we still all know that trusting a yank is Folly.

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    Ah! perhaps says:

    Ousted Ofsted chief Baroness Sally Morgan accuses David Cameron of purging non-Tories from public bodies.

    Next! Cameron purges himself.

  231. 231
    Fag-ash 'amilla says:

    Are you talking about the tampon babe, and he who wishes to ascend the throne?

  232. 232
    Curled up Captain says:

    The Beeboids are there toi polish the ice and our arses

    And supply with plentiful white stuff to inspire us

    Perhaps the odd rent boy thrown in for good measure

    Do you think the Coop will be having a royal box as well?

  233. 233
    Australian translator says:

    Well it’s what my mum called it

  234. 234
    Full Time says:

    a Very gooD ???? coMMent .

  235. 235
    Basil Brash says:

    Excellent, Miliband’s plan is unravelling in time for the Sunday newspapers.

    What a plonker!

  236. 236
    Wall Street Journal says:

    The short answer is

    The US Senate is Ysraeli occupied territory

    They are the founders of neo con agression and don’t know how to do anything else

  237. 237
    Michael o'Leary says:

    To be honest, we were supposed to be flying him to Cardiff, but Rio was the nearest airport in our network.

  238. 238
    Vote Kippers says:

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    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    I listened to her in complete disbelief. She along with the aggravating Abbott is a complete and utter fool. Notice how Dimbleby interrupted Pickles all the time but let those two stupid woman rant on. To be expected I suppose, it’s the BBC-Dimbleby way.

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    Fingers crossed says:

    Nothing that progressively worse depressions won’t cure, eh Jack.
    One may even send yo to hell mate.

  241. 241
    Ah! well says:

    As long as the don’t go into Libdem.

  242. 242
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Back in September 2008 the Equality and Human Rights Commission were pushing one of their ‘fringe events’ at the LibDem Conference …

    Here is what they stated “Rights for all” … “A reception to celebrate 60 years of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights”

    Odd that – seeing as Paddypantsdown just couldn’t bring himself this week [2014] to utter the words ‘freedom of expression’ and chose to go with freedom of speech.

  243. 243
    Ah! perhaps says:

    She came with her briefs round her ankles.

  244. 244
    Expat Geordie says:

    I heard that the reason Davidson won (and I’ve seen him live a couple of times at the BIC in Bournemouth and he is very funny), is because the Great British Public like to see the right thing being done, and as he was cleared of all of those abuse charges it was a way of telling the authorities to stop the witch hunt. Or so I’ve heard – I didn’t watch it.

    Incidentally an ex girlfriend of mine used to be a bar manager at the BIC and she had dealings with him on a few occasions. She reckons that he is a right cnut. Still funny though.

  245. 245
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Kissinger has lain behind some of the most barbaric atrocities throughout his lifetime; the sanctioned use of Napalm being just one example.

  246. 246
    Táxpáyér says:

    Oi steal your own moniker.

  247. 247
    Ah! don't all shout at once!!! says:

    Jack Straw: ‘I would have done a better job than Gordon Brown’

  248. 248
    Expat Geordie says:

    Long socks?

  249. 249
    just asking says:

    How can he still live in a council house when he earns
    more than David Cameron?

  250. 250
    Tracy Hirst Grayson says:

    Even I could do better than that.

  251. 251
    FFS says:

    The yanks are so neo-con they’ve put a Democrat in power for the second term in a row.

  252. 252
    but says:

    Her rictus grin is so distracting I never pay any
    attention to anything Berger says.

  253. 253
    Dr Watson says:

    No shit, Sherlock.

  254. 254
    Why does this page refresh to last Wednesday? says:

    Yes Why?

  255. 255
    This is the BBC says:


  256. 256
    The BBC ...We never fail to waste your money says:

    We’ve paid millions of licence fee payers money for the UK broadcasting rights and we intend to cover EVERYTHING whether or not Team GB is in it or any good so get ready for wall to wall 24/7 coverage starting next week for the next 17 days

  257. 257
    Expat Geordie says:

    A homosexualist at work has being having trouble getting in recently due to the floods. Now is it due to his unfortunate sexual proclivities? Or is it due to where he has bought a house?

    As I said to him: “Fordingbridge. Do you think that the clue might have been in the name?”

  258. 258
    Expat Geordie says:

    And we lost the Empire.

  259. 259
    Táxpáyér says:


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    Agree it could have been copycat.

    The whole of Hollywood history is littered with leftism. Even Ronald Reagan was initially a Democrat. William Randolph Hearst was definitely so despite his enormous wealth. There are so many others, if you leave out the studio moguls. DeMille was a quite rare exception.

    It is something I have never quite understood about the local psyche there, despite having visited. Maybe it is actually insincere and merely pandering to their mass markets. Maybe living in a fantasy world rots judgement. Whatever, I can’t wait to get away from there but I tend to go to see the art treasures they have amassed rather than any sense of admiration for the more privileged denizens.

  261. 261
    Táxpáyér says:

    I bet they beleive the floods ARE caused by homoeopathic amounts of CO2.

  262. 262
    Expat Geordie says:

    Do you believe her?

    There, I’ve asked.

  263. 263
    Táxpáyér says:

    women tend to vote how they tend to act, basically to spend money earned by men.

  264. 264
    The Labour Party says:

    We need more labour women MPs.
    If you have any of the following qualities please apply.
    Extremely fat or obese.
    Poor memory.
    Thick as a plank.
    Loud mouthed.
    Ability to speak rubbish.
    Talk over everyone else.
    A combination of all would be ideal but if you only have one then still apply, you could be the next Diane Abbott, Emily Thornberry, Luciana Berger, Harriet Harman, Angela Eagle, Caroline Flint, Yvette Cooper.

  265. 265
    It's only a matter of time says:

    Pooches reporting for baby duty: Watch these loyal guard dogs as they protect their family’s little ones from harm. Mail

    Tomorrow’s Sun. Viscious dogs devour babies.

  266. 266
    Táxpáyér says:

    Lefties complain about footballers, but where else do the workers earn above the so-called living wage, get treated extremely well, earn most of the turnover of the club and retire early (apart from the extortion funded sector).

  267. 267
    Táxpáyér says:

    Taxes are extorted not paid.

  268. 268
    Táxpáyér says:

    Should open it up so they can pay ANY political party…

    We know the B&P would get loads from traditional labour voterz

  269. 269
    Expat Geordie says:

    They’ll have a yellow streak longer than a herd of diuretic camels.

  270. 270
    Táxpáyér says:

    Shhh. Don’t encourage them.

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    FFS says:

    CO6 – you have a habit of picking out dots and connecting them in interesting and innovative ways. I am not sure they are bourne out by the facts:

    Firstly, I note that Hollywood may have a tendency to be left-wing but it has an even greater tendency to want to make a big fat profit, and that means putting bums on seats in cinemas.

    Generally Mexicans like Salma Hayek are shown in a pretty good light – but then in her case I can think of two good reasons why.

    “Foreigners” (i.e. those people that continue to choose not to become US citizens) are almost always shown in a bad light. So are members of other minority groups that don’t tend to buy a lot of cinema tickets in the US, like the CIA, mountain men, survivalists, members of radical religions and cults and very rich people. They have a rather amobiguous relationship with the last group, what with very rich people often providing the finance for movies and with some of the stars becoming members of the very rich people minority. They have created a sub-set of their very own to avoid conflict with their financiers: very rich people with megalomania.

    Mostly Hispanics don’t appear in Hollywood movies at all, to the extent I was shocked to find so many of them living in Texas the first time I visited. I’m guessing those that stay Hispanic stick with Hispanic cinema, and those that integrate are happy to watch Hollywood output.

  272. 272
    Bernard Madoff says:

    Why is the US Fed tapering?


  273. 273
    nell says:

    Well not exactly a high bar to jump is it? Even a two year old with behavioural problems would have done a better job than gordon!

  274. 274
    Expat Geordie says:

    I came across an old interview (1978, I think) with then Liverpool manager Bob Paisley a few months ago. Sorry there is no link but it may be on the Wendyball section of ARRSE.

    Anyway, for kids of his generation in the north east (and presumably elsewhere) football was a way out of poverty and of avoiding the pit. The money wasn’t great, but it was better than the pit and it would give them a good start in life. This was still the case forty years ago – a lad from my home village played for England, Everton and QPR back in the 70’s and has just retired as a games teacher from a private school in Chichester.

    What surprised me was that in Paisley’s school days the school employed a caretaker who was a former professional footballer, who acted as a talent scout for clubs, and this was just a state school in a pit village. The school took it so seriously that Paisley remembers turning up to class and being told to report to the caretaker for an egg and sherry, and a massage.

  275. 275
    Expat Geordie says:

    Long time ago, and the memory is fading, but didn’t one of the unions during the 1983 General Election actually support the SDP?

  276. 276
    T May says:

    One is that the purpose of QE has always been to support the prices of the debt-related derivatives on the balance sheets of the banks too big to fail. The other is that the Fed has enough economists and statisticians to know that the recovery is a statistical artifact of deflating GDP with an understated measure of inflation. No other indicator–employment, labor force participation, real median family income, real retail sales, or new construction–indicates economic recovery. Moreover, if in fact the economy has been in recovery since June 2009, after 4.5 years of recovery it is time for a new recession.

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    Mad, Bad & Dangerous Gordon McRuin ( Member in absentia ) says:

    SELL !!

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    Expat Geordie says:

    Why pick on Kissinger for that? Napalm was invented during WWII, and used by the Americans against the Germans at Metz, and against the Japanese almost everywhere. It was used in Korea and in Vietnam, as well as in Rhodesia under the name “Rattan”, and in Afghanistan by the Soviets.

    In many ways napalm is a better weapon than bombs or shells as it can be deployed very close to friendly forces. In some cases it was dropped within ten yards of US forces without causing casualties, something that is impossible to do with bombs or shells due to fragmentation and blast.

  279. 279
    BLOB coCROWch says:


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    Quixote says:

    Does this mean that all such affiliation fees will have to be paid to the party heedless of its relationship with a particular union at any given time or will the unions be able to withhold them in the event that they are in disagreement over an issue and the union wants to put pressure on the party? Surely, paying for a full party membership would be a more honest way of going about this.

  281. 281
    Expat Geordie says:

    Family connections also help, of course. Does Hilary Armstrong inheriting her dads seat in Durham ring any bells. Make me laugh that her first political role was as a councillor in Crook – most appropriate.

  282. 282
    BLOB coCROWch says:

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    Jimmy says:

    Too high a bar for spoonface.

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    JH3492384923056 says:

    Yeah, sorted my taxes the other day… was left thinking – ‘is it worth it?’

    Only the fear of shame of being on benefits keeps me going. But then who gives a shit with all that leisure time…

  285. 285
    Universal Hiss says:

    Two Eds better than one….

    I spent a very miserable holiday there but it was about 30 years ago.

    Seahouses was a very sad place.Only reason to go there was to jump on a boat to Lindisfarne.Locals were mostly nasty.Food was appalling.A walk through the Kielder Forest was good as it was devoid of locals.

    I’m sure it’s much better now.

  286. 286
    Universal Hiss says:

    You really think that Jack Straw would have made a good PM?

    That’s off the delusional scale even for you Jimmy.

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    RetardEd Militwat, millionaire, so I don't care if Labour go broke, as long as I get to be PM! says:

    I jutht want to be a thomeone!
    Pwease vote for me – I’ll danth for power!! PLEATHE!!!!!

    That was a Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the Labour Party.

  288. 288
    Gooey Blob says:

    Five-year plan? You must be joking! Ed won’t be Labour leader in 15 months, let alone 5 years!

  289. 289
    The Electorate says:

    Soory Ed, but 200 seats is all you’re getting. You didn’t think you were better than Michael Foot did you?

  290. 290
    RetardEd Militwat, millionaire, so I don't care if Labour go broke, as long as I get to be PM! says:

    Oh thit!

    How about if I pwomith to thave the world and be fithcally pwudent?

    I don’t think we’ve twied that before , have we?

  291. 291
    FFS says:

    I was going to say that.

    Perhaps the bombing of Cambodia was the atrocity he was thinking of.

  292. 292
    RetardEd Militwat, millionaire, so I don't care if Labour go broke, as long as I get to be PM! says:

    Being ethnic, one legged and a lethbian could altho be an advantage. And having lothed the leg protecting Waleth from Japaneth harpoonth.

  293. 293
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Let me put it more simply for you Expat. i assume you to be ex forces.

    Try and think from the perspective of having not been indoctrinated into thinking like a killing machine and the gung ho mantra that footsoldiers are duped into by weasel politicians and their puppeteers. Yes in the armed forces it is drilled into you to kill on order and most just do as they are ordered. But when you look behind the orders and where they eminate from and for what reason and realise that you may well have been used as pawns in a powerbrokers’ game … then the whole game takes on a different perspective. Blair abused his position of office to ‘do the !raq war’. What happened was that he used the forces as the frontline attackers while he hid behind at no 10 to wallow and glory in his abuse of power. Who are Blairs pawns / dupes?

    Chilcot – The fact is they (Blair / Straw and a few others) are damned already by the obfuscation and evasion from publishing the report.

  294. 294
    DILLIGAF says:

    Why – the window lickers gave us the Lavender traitor Wilson, Donkey Jacket Foot, the Ginger Whinger, Tony “Mengele” Blair, Gordmong McBroon and Militwat Jnr.

    They ARE consistant in their crap choices. Jack “rendition” Straw? Makes about as much sense.

  295. 295
    Blowing Whistles says:

    FFS – go to wanker.

  296. 296
    Useless Ed Miliband says:

    Plan? I have a plan? Woohoo! Now how do I build on this success story?

    Should I announce a policy? Very well then: Free Trident missiles for the under-fives! No school meals! Increase taxes for wealth creators!

    Hey, I’m on a roll…

  297. 297
    FFS says:

    ….but somehow still retain responsibility for the people that fought us for their independence.

  298. 298
    JH3492384923056 says:

    You think Gordon was a better statesman than Cameron.


    Whatever you think of his policies, at least he wasn’t the excruciating international embarrassment McRuin was.

    Obama beach, pissgate, trouser in sock-gate, etc. What the fuck must people have thought of a country that let that fucking weirdo get to be in charge?

    Cameron can be trusted to carry out international engagements without disaster looming.

    And no, it wasn’t Sue’s fault.

  299. 299
    Gooey Blob says:

    Let me clarify that for you…

    Vote Ukip where the Tories have no chance of taking the seat, vote Tory where the Tories are in with a chance.

    Keep Ed out.

  300. 300
    a punter says:

    I’d hire her!

  301. 301
    ACTT brothers was a very long time ago says:

    Altruism in industry !!

    When you opted out @ ACTT were you one of George E & Alan S band
    of brothers ?

    Maybe @ 109 Wardour St ??

  302. 302
    T.B£iar - the People's Messiah says:

    Promise to be a ‘pretty straight kinda guy’. It fooled the idiots last time.

    No point booming out ‘British jobs for British workers’. We flooded the Country with imported voters.

  303. 303
    Jimmy says:

    Not what I said. Never much cared for Straw.

  304. 304
    Jim Davidson says:

    A black man walks into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder. ‘That’s a nice pet’ says the barman ‘where did you get him?’

    ‘Africa’ says the parrot ‘there’s fu©ing loads of them there’.

  305. 305
    Jimmy says:

    Charmless weirdo he may have been, but nonetheless a man of substance. No comparison between him and the empty suit who sneaked in in 2010. No one ever called Gordon a lightweight.

  306. 306
    Universal Hiss says:

    I do have problems with this.

    1.It’s Jack Straw.

    2.It’s a Guardian hack interviewing a leftie politician.

    3.It’s published in The Guardian.

  307. 307
    FFS says:

    Defensive as usual BW. Very tiresome, and obvious too.

    You got your facts wrong as usual, and can’t take the inevitable criticism.

  308. 308
    Voting for a candidate you don't want is the final admission that democracy is dead says:

    Much better to ask the faux Conservatives to stand down to avoid splitting the UKIP vote. :)

  309. 309
    Universal Hiss says:

    FFS Jimmy. Gordon was a heavyweight disaster.

    You are quite right about the empty suit. He’s awful too.

    I wish above anything that politics could be less tribal.

    Lets call out shit whatever the badge.

  310. 310
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    He looks an overdone chicken tikka.

  311. 311
    Jimmy says:

    He was temperamentally unsuited to the job, but I’ve not seen any serious criticism of his handling of the financial crisis other than from the usual partisan anklebiters. History will be kind to him. History will not even remember who Cameron was.

  312. 312

    Oh! I agree. Hollywood is all about putting bums on seats. It flows on money. But then the thinking becomes corrupted. I mention Hearst because he surrounded himself with so many of them even though he was a newspaper man.

    But back to Hollywood, when you have more money than you need, what do you want next? Attention for sure with that mindset. Adoration. Anything which panders to the ego.

    I don’t notice that there are many thinking types though. To a certain extent, Hollywood can (and does) make bad films which are still successful. Then they push things too far and it becomes a flop. Partly self-correcting but the actors have a risk free existence, if they can keep off the drugs and booze. A lot of the time, they can’t and it rots their brains. Oh, they seem to have a problem drіving their cars as well (can I say that here?)

    I have avoided commenting on the Hispanic aspects as I am not as well acquainted in that subject although I have been into Mexico several times. Of course you will appreciate that Texas is a whole world apart from California and particularly Hollywood.

    What I “get from my dots” is conditioned by my contrarian nature. I do not behave like other people, I don’t follow the fashions, watch the TV, see that many of the films. I prefer to visit things that most other people will not find interesting.

    As an example of this. I visited every extant Mission in California, Nevada and Arizona as, having visited the first one, I was so struck by the similarities (and differences) with the middle-age European monasteries that I decided I wanted to see the lot. I had five weeks there so just did them all. leaving aside the church, in place of the conventual buildings, the similar arrangement of cloister was laid out with more practical spaces.

    Clearly, as with the earlier monasteries, the defensive needs dictated this arrangement. But it was all in a different context and a different age. These are things I enjoy observing and I like trying to tease out the differences to come to what others may regard as odd conclusions.

    I have had situations where my heterodox approach has actually become mainstream, not because I changed it but because “an expert” started to think differently.

    Of course, I can also be wrong. :-)

  313. 313

    Thought I was replying to CO6 but it was FFS replying to him. Doh! Please read my above post in that context though the basics still apply.

    Clearly, I need a drіnk…

  314. 314
    tachybaptus says:

    Can everyone just give Miliband a break? Read between the lines, the man’s going to be the greatest Prime Minister since Atlee

  315. 315
    FFS says:

    Interesting that only one of his 5 wives ever claimed he was a wife-beater, and the husband of that wife considered having him killed.

    Presumably the violence and abuse was two-way.

  316. 316

    One can almost smell the fakery.

  317. 317
    FFS says:

    In these days people can just get on the EmpLaw website and find out for themselves if they have been wronged and how to take matters to a tribunal.

    Fact is that employment law is fuck all use anyway, unless you are determined to get your job back with the kind of asshole that was so keen to get shot of you in the first place he ignored the correct procedures. That’s why so many people claim racial or sexual discrimination, because those are the only two situations where you can go to court and claim real compensation.

  318. 318
    Universal Hiss says:

    Then you need to read wider.

    History is not necessarily a good judge of prior events.Who owns history?Academics?Novelists?The BBC?

    I’m interested in the here & now.It’s bad enough finding out about the truth of what happened today.

    I think you are simplistic & naive but that’s my judgement of your posts & endless championing of, to my mind an outdated & lost cause.

    If blogs such as these survive in the future it will be interesting what historians make of them.

  319. 319
    tachybaptus says:

    We want to hear an end to bedroom tax, and Atos.
    We want to hear rents capped in the private sector.
    We want to hear tax evaders will be pursued with the same zeal as benefit fraudsters, an end to zero hours contracts, and the implementation of a living wage

  320. 320
    Universal Hiss says:

    I saw a TV program the other night about the SNP from the 20’s onward.It was dreadful but it had footage of Blair from his early days.

    He had his lower jaw clamped which allowed him to curl his lips to give his rictus grin.He looked like a snake-oil salesman from the start.

    How well the country was deceived.

    I thought we might have got past that & then along came Nick Clegg.

  321. 321
    FFS says:

    That Marina Hyde take-down of Saint Blair listed top right is pretty good. I’m not saying that just because I want to shag Marina Hyde.

  322. 322
    Historical Factoid says:

    Jim Davidson won Celebrity Big Brother, soon to airbrushed out of socialist history.

  323. 323
    Ricki's Uncle Bob says:

    I met his “minder” in about 1979 – JD used to act the c@nt, pick fights and leave his minder to dig him out of the sh!t.

  324. 324
    Ed Miliband says:

    It’s not fair

    On the day I Launch my new Union Deal and Mr Crow makes a laughing stock of my cost of living crisis.


  325. 325
    Mars Attacks! says:

    That should be his epitaph, Tachy… ” A weed between the lines”

  326. 326
    Mars Attacks! says:

    We want to hear:
    Scotland independent – Labour fu@ked for ever.
    RetardEd Militwat stays on as leader after humiliating defeat in 2015 – Labour fu@ked for ever.
    BBC partially privatised – Labour fu@ked for ever.

  327. 327
    FFS says:

    Gordon Brown will definitely not be smiled upon by history.

    Even his existing Wikipedia entry is nothing more than a long list of his base lies, personal corruption and policy failures.

  328. 328
    Ed Milliband's Butler says:

    Wow! Look at that arse!

  329. 329
    Cob Browe says:

    A union leader goes to Rio and checks out the brothels. In the first one he asks if the girls belong to a union. ‘No,’ replies the madame. ‘And what cut do the girls get?’ asks the leader. ‘They take 20 per cent,’ replies the madame.
    Offended by this unfairness the union leader goes to a second brothel and asks the same questions. Here he finds that the girls do belong to a union and get to keep 80 per cent of their takings. ‘That’s better,’ says the union leader. ‘I’d like to have the redhead in the corner.’ ‘

    Sure you would,’ says the madame, beckoning to an old fat blonde. ‘But Ethel here has seniority.’

  330. 330
    The worst PM ever and a fucking useless chancellor to boot who bankrupted the country says:

    He was temperamentally unsuited to the job

    In other words he was utterly useless.

  331. 331
    Universal Hiss says:

    & a man who went into the biggest sulk since Ted Heath.

    Represent your constituents? No.

    Turn up in your job at Westminster? No.

    Find time to bloat funds into The Office of Gordon & Sarah Brown for personal enrichment? YES,yes,yes.

    The man is a fake like many Labourites before & present.

    I utterly despise them.

  332. 332
    Jimmy says:

    Some of you seem to have difficulty distinguishing between this blog and real life.

  333. 333
    Village Idiot says:

    ….Where did our democracy go?….Our House of Lords seems to think that we do not need democracy when it comes to decisions on that (fill in as appropriate)wonderful institution,the European Union!….Protect the people from themselves,or,dic-tat?
    …..Disconnected delusion is my guess!

  334. 334
    Sir Hump free says:

    Dave lives in a public sectorl house too.

  335. 335
    Mars Attacks! says:


    Thanks for making an old curmudgeon laugh!

  336. 336
    Universal Hiss says:

    Isn’t the whole Hollywood film stuff hard headed capitalism having to put up with the socialist directors,actors & writers shit?You know them commies who make the fuckin stuff happen in the first place?

    Accountants run Hollywood.

    How much is the only reason to make a film. That’s why their output is so poor on the whole.

  337. 337
    Universal Hiss says:

    Oh no Jimmy! You’ve found me out.

    Is it a book, or a plane or a Jimmy or a plate of food?

    FFS. Shakes head.

    You really are a plank.

    Even for you that was pathetic. Fun though.

  338. 338
    Blowing Whistles says:

    FFS both you and expat are just the kind of excuse monkeys that Kissinger relies upon. You two and so many more are Kissingers dream team of excuse merchants – can you not see how you have been used to justify the bastards activities and act while he holds himself out to be inocent?

    Give me a break – you utter twats.

  339. 339
    Blowing Whistles says:

    No one else seems to have mentioned it and I have waited all day – so here we go

    Well that’s another Commie Marxist FIVE YEAR PLAN in the mix

    and then there’s another plan by Lloyds – a six year plan …

    JFHC spare me.

  340. 340
    Wall Street Journal says:

    If yoynknow the facta

    The Us Senate is currentlybthreatening to impose furthercsanctions on Iran WHILE THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH IRAN are continuing with the internatiinal community in Geneva

    Omaba has sais he will veto them

    The neocons wanted to bomb Syria until the peoples of Britain France and the US said NO

    The neocons led by Mcain and Kerry are now interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine
    Trying to start another civil war

    So the neocons are still a constantvdanger to world peace even though Obama is trying to contril them

  341. 341
    FFS says:

    I didn’t excuse Kissinger. I pointed out that Kissinger and Nixon were to blame for the bombing of Cambodia during the Vietnam war.

    Expat was correct to point out that napalm was regularly used in WWII and during the Korean war, so its use in Vietnam or any subsequent war was not particularly unusual, whether Kissinger sanctioned it or not.

    The USA has a “robust” foreign policy regardless of Kissinger’s involvement. Britain would have to, except we are constrained by our need to import 40% of our food and most of our energy.

  342. 342
    Who gives a shit what this mouthy muzzee cunt thinks? says:

    More helpful observations from someone here to enrich our nation.

  343. 343
    FFS says:

    That isn’t what is happening.

    Saudi Arabia and the Qataris are pulling the strings in Syria.

    The Americans are being pushed towards entering the war by the Saudis. They have more or less admitted it. Equally it was the Saudis that pushed America towards involvement in Iraq, at the same time displacing American troops from Saudi soil.

    Bear in mind that Al Qaeda is Saudi funded.

    What the end goal of the Saudi/Qatari operation is I don’t know – maybe they wish to re-instate the caliphate under Saudi control? They have the money and weaponry to be able to do that and the Americans would probably quite like that outcome.

    Towards the end of last year the Saudis were even threatening to take action against Iranian nuclear development.

  344. 344
    Jimmy says:

    I’m only going by what you post here. You’ve just told me that Gordon steals money from his foundation, a story entirely made up by Guido, another of you tells me history will judge him harshly because he read it on wikipedia. Let’s face it, if your IQs were any lower you lot would require watering. There are bar girls in Bangkok who are fussier about what they swallow.

  345. 345
    FFS says:

    Arrr Capn Morgan, the real pirate of the Carribean! And a real-life tale more thrilling that anything Disney ever dreamed of.

  346. 346
    \crow pie says:

    Presumably this Crow call was sent from Rio – the union members have to be thicker than pig sh*t to allow him to sh*t on them as he does.

  347. 347
    \crow pie says:

    Milliband – Puppet on a Union string.

  348. 348
    UK-OK! says:

    To avoid needless insults, I would not say that Tory-Boy not is rotten to the core – but he is a puppet of business interests and WILL do exactly as he is told. For while the old Reds-under-the-bed line might go down in the US – this is the UK. We do not want our (hard-won) NHS in the hands greedy firms. A fair number of working people remain proud of the long-standing links between their unions and the Labour Party. And most people do not agree with attacks on the poor – while the greedy bankers retain their bonuses. So please reconsider all this anti-left/anti-union BS.

    P.S: Have just seen the a great little film: Made in Dagenham.

  349. 349
    \crow pie says:

    Don’t be silly – what on earth does Crow know about morals? Fine wine, troughing at the workers expense, being a general enormous sponging, lardy sh*te, yes he knows about those things.

  350. 350
    EUHATER says:

    What the fuck is a baroness?

  351. 351
    EUHATER says:

    What a UKIP election poster !

  352. 352
    FrankField's Buttplug says:

    Ed Miliband and Arnie Graf say “Oi vey – have we got a policy for you, already”

  353. 353
    FrankField's Buttplug says:

    Is Rachel Reeves a woman? She looks like a man in drag

  354. 354
    EUHATER says:

    Atlee the twat was an unmitigated disaster!

  355. 355
    Rufus Stone says:

    Probably not Anna. She should first be inspected for woodworm in the legs, & the seat is saggy.

  356. 356
    Rufus Stone says:

    Why do psychics feel it necessary to advertise their events?

  357. 357
    LAC Three says:

    Have any of the Saudi air force prsonnel learned to fly those lovely shiny jets they bought from Tone? Not seen much sight of them over Syria.

  358. 358
    Thai-dyed perv says:

    Can you post the addresses Jim? Ta vm.

  359. 359
    Thai-dyed perv says:

    delete your cookies and clear your browser cache; then try again.

  360. 360
    Optional extra says:

    Ability to show any evidence of ever having had an education – optional

  361. 361
    Optional extra says:

    It’s only a line of fucxing numbers on a computer so why don’t they just delete the lot and start again?

  362. 362
    Optional extra says:

    Is he from Trinidad?

  363. 363
    jfgu65 says:

    Commies only do five year plans.

  364. 364
    Displaced Brummie says:

    A “Five Year Plan” comrades? Now, whatever could go wrong?

  365. 365
    I dislike socialists intensely says:

    Used to be made in Dagenham until the Unions buggered it all up.

  366. 366
    Anonymous says:

    Indeed – the phrase “affiliated organisations will be encouraged to help the party maximise the number of people who agree to pay an affiliation fee.” translates directly as ‘intimidate the f**k out of anyone who even tries to opt out.’

  367. 367
    UK-OK! says:

    Putting all the blame on unions certainly avoids having to mention the policy of exporting industry and jobs. For how many cars are now designed and mass-produce – by British owned firms?

  368. 368
    Rightwinggit says:

    If you look at the vid of Brillo taking Lusitania apart, several times when she tried to shout someone down her mic was faded.

    On the BBC!

  369. 369
    Ed (Too Fat must Fast for Flat Waistline) Balls says:

    Is the fat slob to be launched on the next tide?

  370. 370
    Froggie says:

    I hate the guys who criticize the other guys who’s enterprise has seen them rise above the guys who criticize.

  371. 371
    NE Frontiersman says:

    Well, he’s going to be busy when he gets back.
    Crow is the only union leader who gets it that the EU and mass migration disables working-class negotiating power by making it impossible to restrict the supply of labour.
    He delivers brilliantly for his members, who probably don’t grudge him a break.
    He’s almost the only person ever mentioned in this blog who is A1 at his job.

    The fact that he’s a pain in the bum to the rest of us doesn’t alter this.

  372. 372
    NE Frontiersman says:

    A socialist who’s made it.

  373. 373
    NE Frontiersman says:

    Typical: Waltham Forest not even mentioned. Perhaps they think it’s in Essex

  374. 374
    NE Frontiersman says:

    ‘During the course of a campaign run by Thornberry on the subject of social housing, the Islington Tribune, a local newspaper, discovered that her husband had bought ex-social housing stock for over half a million pounds and receives rental income from the property. It also emerged that the new residents are Labour Party activists. (Wikipedia)

  375. 375
    NE Frontiersman says:

    ‘Vote Labour, sleep Tory’ (Oswald Mosley)

  376. 376
    Anonymous says:

    What exactly is the problem with an opt out? Under the current system the many Tory voting union members have had to suck up extra costs for protection in the workplace.

    Oh, I see unions are a bad thing and them being fairer institutions with a broader appeal is likewise a bad thing.

    Lucky not a single tory donation comes from a company that gets anything at-all-like-kickbacks-then.

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