January 25th, 2014

Employers Condemn Balls Tax Rise

That radical new Balls policy: increase taxes. Don’t say the bosses of some of the largest employers in Britain didn’t warn you:

  • Rob Templeman, chairman of the British Retail Consortium, Gala Coral and the RAC: “this tax increase would be bad for business in Britain. It would put the recovery at risk, deter investment and  ultimately cost jobs”
  • Sir Stuart Rose, former executive chairman of Marks and Spencer: “This will put at risk all the good work that has been done to put the economy back on track.”
  • Mike Lynch, co-founder of Autonomy Corporation and former Labour donor: “The proposed tax increase would put jobs and the economic recovery at risk and discourage investment into the UK.”
  • Ian Cheshire, chief executive of Kingfisher: “Putting up the percentage rate is the wrong answer. When the rate was cut the total tax paid went up and the top 0.1% now pay over 30% of all income tax. Raising the rate is bad economics and sends an anti business message that may undermine investment plans and the recovery”

Dracula will be a vegetarian before Ed Balls balances a budget.


  1. 1
    Podiceps says:

    Worst picture of Miliband yet?

  2. 2

    They still don’t get ,same old , socialist lunacy, will somebody please explain to them tax is the problem NOT the solution !

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    Not suited and booted by M&S any more. says:

    Sir Stuart Rose would be better off explaining why M&S’s anti-British buying policies meant their clothes became so unattractive under his leadership.

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    What a shower says:

    Gala Coral – making a High Street shittier near you. Rob Templeman presides on one of the great unflushed turds of British commerce.

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    What a shower says:

    None of those ‘business leaders’ have done much to make this country a better place. Frankly, they have little to recommend them.

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    Anon. says:

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    What a shower says:

    Gala Coral – making a High Street shittier near you. Rob Templeman presides on one of the great unflushed tu-rds of British commerce.

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    White Dee says:

    As long as the money gets redistrubuted into my benefits package, who cares?

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    Blame that twat John Major he got Kinnock appointed.

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    Reader says:

    Mike Lynch is a former Labour donor. ie, He is one of the guilty men responsible for financing the party that brought us the reign of terror and economic near-melt-down. Why should anyone bother about what he has to say?

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    Realist 2 says:

    Dracula will be a vegan before either gay Dave or Bollux balance the budget.

    The LibLabConners will never do it. The interest to cover the vast National debt they have all built up will prevent it.

    Between them they have totally fucked the U.K. economy.

  14. 14
    Bellend says:

    Balls is an economic puppet

    He has been told to do this or he won’t get a shag from his boss

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    Casual Observer 2 says:

    Is he one of Ken Dodd’s sprogs instead of Traitor Ralph? He certainly looks to have Diddyman potential.

  16. 16
    Anonymous says:

    Ed balls;

    “Back a new 2030 low carbon target to stimulate long-term investment in renewable, nuclear and clean gas and coal”.

    The price of everything will sky rocket. Killing British business and British pensioners.

  17. 17
    john in cheshire says:

    Is that Pinky and Perky in the photo?

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    …and the Chief Exec of Coral is…?

    Step forward… Andy Hornby!

    Yes, he who made an almighty clusterfuck of the Halifax, turning a once respected building society entrusted by millions into a grubby, down market and bust bank with premises that make a branch of, er, Coral look respectable.

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    Anon. says:

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    Reader says:

    Balls is thick. I have no idea why anyone would bother wanting to put him in power.

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    Screwed Taxpayer says:

    British pensioners are already been and are being fucked by the artificially low interest rates contrived by the BoE, aided and abetted by the bastard Camoron

  22. 22
    MILF fan says:

    Hollandaise has split from his MILF partner Valerie W (can’t be bothered to check spelling). She’s available! I should make a move before a dirty bastard like 2 Jags or Rennard tries anything. Vive la MILF!

  23. 23
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Indeed, ‘Sir’ Stuart Rose made my underpants a considerably worse place.

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    Kit says:

    And Ed Ball, what has he done to make this a better country? NOTHING! But he has don plenty to make it worse. Starting with helping to keep Brown in office when it was obvious that he was not fit for purpose.

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    It was gordons policies that don it says:

    so not being satisfied being Crash Gordons backroom staff these economic serial junkies wan’t to inject the economy with more of their foolishness.

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    Benny Street nicked says:

    7 residents of Benny Street have been charged with drug dealing and possessing ammunition without a licence. Expect Jasmin Beckett to protest outside the court during the trial. No justice, no pizza!

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    Slime Watch says:

    Anyone who used to be a Labour minister of any kind should hang their head in shame and keep their big mouth shut. Nothing they say or do now will ever undo the damage they have done to this country by being part of that evil, crappy government.

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    Slime Watch says:

    They should all have been put up against a wall and shot for the way they brought our country down.

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    The Daily Telegraph School of Not Really Checking Anything What We Type says:

    “the top 0.1% now pay over 30%”

    Are you absolutely sure about that?

  30. 30
    Slime Watch says:

    True. Balls is a moron. But at least he is an elected moron. These other chancers have no mandate to speak on behalf of anybody.

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    Statman says:

    I have found a direct correlation with Ed Ball’s bizarre policy announcements and sales of Sunny Delight at Kirkaldy Morrisons

  32. 32
    Cost-of-Labour-crisis says:

    Yes Sir Stuart, that made in China crap really the worst. Look at M&S share.

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    Mr Helpful says:

    No, Hollande’s dumped the ugly one (or she’s dumped him). It’s the other one who’s the MILF.

  34. 34
    Every trick in the book says:

    “the top 0.1% of those people who bother to pay any tax at all now pay over 30%”

    There are plenty of guys as rich as them who are still taking the absolute piss.

  35. 35
    bellend says:

    The real problem is that the 50p tax rate is really bad for the amount of tax collected

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    Cost-of-Labour-crisis says:

    True socialists.

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    It must take a specially dedicated socialist anorak to waste his Saturday morning to listen to that delusional drivel.

  38. 38
    Anonymous says:

    When are they going to raid Nigella? Or has possession of Class ‘A’ drugs now been legalised for celebrity friends of Dave?

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    The most amusing claim ever says:

    The BBC STILL thinks Balls’ plan is fantastic and they have been constantly lauding it since this morning

  40. 40
    Its not an etch a sketch picture says:

    ‘I’d erase deficit by 2020′: Ed Balls to pledge to put Britain back in the black if Labour is elected

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    Lessons in making money are best learned from the rich says:

    I think people who generate lots of wealth for this country are within their rights to criticise policies that remove wealth from this county. Don’t you?

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    Fungi says:

    I drink piss

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    M&S has gone from national treasure to national disgrace says:

    Not just made in China, but the men’s clothes have apparently been ‘inspired’ by the kind of foreign people who have with no dress sense.

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    Anonymous says:

    The Telegraph wrote a story in 2011 that said 1% paid 25% of all income tax. Sounds much more like it.

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    Cost-of-Labour-crisis says:

    and don’t forget that obscene pension you gave Fred the Shred.

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    Lessons in making money are best learned from the rich says:

    By, er, reducing the amount of tax paid to the Exchequer..

    Yeah. That’ll work.

  47. 47
    Its Miliband junior aged xx says:

    To paraphrase Michael Heseltine “Its not all Balls its Marxist Miliband”

    All senior members of the last Labour administration fundamentally do not believe, have no evidence to consider it.

    Balls is there as the fall guy. Sucker.

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    Who would have believed that one day the Bank of England would conspire to debase the currency ?

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    Margaret Hodge and her £18million tax dodge says:

    People who pay tax are little people.

  50. 50
    Benny Street nicked says:

    Nigella didn’t deal Bolivian marching powder, she just took it. And she’s too sexy for prison. Just give her a slap on the wrist. Or a spank on the bum. I’ll volunteer to do the latter.

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    FFS says:

    She was married to Charles Saatchi for ten years. She’s suffered enough.

  52. 52
    Sitting in his £2 million mansion, paid for by other people, Ed Miliband says:

    Cost of living crisis.

  53. 53
    White rabbit says:

    I believe he looked ‘lustily’ at a young woman. And then, appallingly, he spoke to her.

  54. 54
    Fabians are EVIL says:

    It really is quite simple; the Labour party and its socialist agenda IS the problem and so it can never be part of a solution.

  55. 55
    retardEd Miliband says:

    Len McCluthkey gave me inthtwuctionth.

    I mutht obey.

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    White Dee says:

    Ed Balls has got my vote

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    Slime Watch says:

    Not when, like Lynch, they had previously been supporting and egging on a government which destroyed vast amounts of this nation’s wealth, no. If twats like that want to play politics, he should stand for election. Otherwise, piss off.

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    You believe buy into it says:

    Those people who believe in a 50% income tax, including donors, can always voluntarily back date there contribution say to 1997 on all income and pay it until the thresholds are inplemented.

    Miliband can set an example on his inheritance and income from first pound received, including his wife. Perhaps as a further gesture throw in the difference in house inflation from the time he brought and now.

    Does Miliband and the shadow Cabinet pay more tax?

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    It is just as much an offence to buy drugs as it is to sell them they both constitute ‘dealing’.

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    She of the films says:

    The new MILF can be seen performing on the screen.

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    Slime Watch says:

    Gala Coral doesn’t create much wealth, it concenttrates it. In the process they have ruined many of our High Streets, and quite probably, in the process of their lobbying for favourable planning decisions and legislation like the 2005 Gambling Act wined and dined some of the most venal and mediocre politicians in the land.

  62. 62
    Jasmin Beckett says:

    Honestly never been so angry at anything other than hearing people being arrested on #benefitsstreet. Actually just cried. I want teh Police deaded.

  63. 63
    Anti Fabian says:

    They’ve been doing that day in, day out, since the late 1960’s.

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    FFS says:

    In 2011 that was true, but according to HMRC it had gone up to to 30% by the end of 2013.

    The top 0.1% pay 10% of all tax.

  65. 65
    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    Ed Miliband doing his best to wreck the economy while in opposition, if he gets elected all the businesses that can will depart these shores pronto, tax and spend tax and spend spend spend.

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    Dave Cameron from Eton says:

    I may be wrong but I think there is a difference between possession of drugs and possession with intent to supply.

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    Ed Balls - Shallow Chancer says:


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    Anon. says:

    That before or after the Absinthe?

  69. 69
    Colin the Meek says:

    I loathe Balls and all he stands for .

    However, I’m not convinced that the best reason for rejecting his latest idiocy is that the CEO of Kingfisher wants a new yacht.

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    Potts says:

    You missed the best bit, Guido. Lord Myners, Labour’s former City Minister, says the economic logic behind Balls’ thinking “would not even get a pass at GCSE”.

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    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    Google translation: never trust a socialist.

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    White rabbit says:

    Oh come on, it was flour, spilt by accident, after being bellowed at by that beast. And even if by some remote chance after being forced to take Charlie, surely not a smack on that slender wrist. Write out ten times, ‘I must be even more of a goddess’ That’s fair, surely

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    Margaret Moran says:

    Aren’t I a MILF?

  74. 74
    David Cameron says:

    In public I’ll disagree with Ed but really I get turned by taxing success. Just look at my record…I hate achievers.

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    Comptroller says:

    But it is fantastic. More money in, more to spend in the designer bread restaurants (yum!) of Salford.

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    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:


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    Buckin useless says:

    Haven’t bought a shirt, tshirt or trousers in Marks in five years. Overpriced, shit quality….and when, in Northern Ireland at least, you were required to buy a bag to carry the purchase out of the shop, they lost me as a customer forever.

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    Ed Balls says:

    Ed Balls

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    Eat the Rich says:


  81. 81
    Fiona Bruce says:

    What is “tax”?

  82. 82
    summa says:

    White Dee + Magic Mushrooms = Ed Balls

  83. 83
    Bilda Berger says:

    Too much information.

  84. 84
    E. Balls, former Labour Secretary of Schools, Carers and Safeguarders, Welfare and Cider junkies says:

    Nonsense. Everyone gets a pass if they hand in their paper (unless they’ve changed my system).

  85. 85
    Sam the Skull drinking Buckfast in Maryhill says:

    Gooney bird Ed Miliband – how can you take anyone seriously who looks like that?

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    Le Dumped says:

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    Bilda Berger says:

    Yes indeedy, a moron I’d like to flambé.

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    Cyril Lord says:

    They are plural and you use them to hold down carpets.

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    White rabbit says:

    Just a hunch, but isn’t it all about securing ‘brain dead, class warfare, thicky, gormless , tribal supporters,’ than raising revenue.

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    And to think he was anti Common Market and anti Lords says:

    Come the revolution. Those two are the first.

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    Anonymous says:

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    History says:

    Our politicians in Westminster had better take heed: history shows the English public are very reluctant revolutionaries but they are quite capable of being utterly ruthless and practical when need be. The Westminster parasites can thwart the will of the English public for only so long before people decide to remove them entirely from our public life.


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    Balls echo chamber says:

    @MichaelLCrick: On 1 Dec Balls said budget surplus goal by 2020 depended on economy; now it’s a binding pledge. Has economy improved that much in 8 weeks?

    Balls is a clusterfuck as the Yanks would say

  94. 94
    Everyone says:

    Yestderday’s men

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    And what about the people who DO NOT dream to be in your CORRUPT ORGANISATION? TWAT says:

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    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    Define ‘their dreams’ Herman?

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    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

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    Balls echo chamber says:

    Yes it’s just that
    Labour have never given nor will they ever give a flying fuck about any economy. It’s all about seizing power and then enforcing their political dogma on the country. Everything else can go hang

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    Benny Street nicked says:

    Impossible. She’s already a goddess beyond all measure.

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    cep says:

    That’s daft.

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    Anonymous says:

    Ed Balls is still getting blow jobs off the BBC

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    EU to me says:

    So you won’t prevent the people of Great Britain having a referendum prior to getting out of the corrupt EU, so we can have our dreams realised one day, the only rendezvous with history I would like to see is the death of the EU.

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    Herman is getting above his station says:

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    Balls echo chamber says:

    That in one cartoon sums up brilliantly the labour years of terror

    Are we really going to hand them back a shiny Ferrari so they can do it again? Ye gods I think we may be doing just that

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    Time and tide will overcome says:

    Tick tock, tick tock, time is on the peoples side, the braindead will wake up.

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    Balls echo chamber says:

    Who’s he FFs I don’t remember voting for him

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    Anonymous says:

    Probably because the modbot has. Total twat spotting feature

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    Hugh Janus says:

    Quite so, SW, but Chilcot may be about to dish the dirt on Bliar and the rest of his gang, so there is still something to look forward to when it comes to some retribution for past crimes:


    We live in hope.

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    NATO should have been awarded the Peace Prize. Not the EU says:

    Yes Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan and Lech Wałęsa made Poland a Free country and able to rebuild their economy. Fuck all to do with the EU you c unt.

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    King John says:

    Oh you haven’t worked out how the rich pay their taxes?

    They make YOU work harder…….

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    Mr Slater's Parrot says:

    SKQUIIIIRRRRRRKK… (crest) (stare) (grape)

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    Pick litter for bennies says:

    TO 64///Simplicity is best “All yours and it,s not insured”.

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    Gordon says:

    I did, on your behalf.

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    T.B£iar - the People's Messiah says:
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    bbc says:

    state theft … gotta love it

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    White Dee says:

    Fings can only get beterrr

    They did for the parasites

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    Cupertino says:

    He wanted rid. At least we are not paying much of the bill!

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    President de la Republique says:

    Bonjour mes amis, c’est moi Francois Hollandaise ze saucy leetle socialist & role model for ze leetle, strange Miliman.

    Tax & Spend! What a great, original nouveau idea!! It’s what ‘as made moi so populaire!!!

    In one stroke ze REd Balls has solved your immigration problem! ‘is policies will make everyone leave! Genius!!!

    Pah! Zut alors! Sacre bleu! Balls to you rosbifs!

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    The kinnocks rejected three times by the electorate says:

    Allowances I mean WTF do they get allowances for like that?

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    A tax payer says:

    With REd Balls in charge, there will be no treasure left…….

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    Laffer was right says:

    What would labour cut in order to fund this tax rise?

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    Anonymous says:

    Christ on a bike we’ve actually found something the loopy lefties don’t blame Fatcher for

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    The King of Dubious Logic says:

    “There are plenty of guys as rich as them who are still taking the absolute piss.”

    You’re absolutely right. It’s high time we made all of them pay all of the tax. I expect THEM to put the food on my table and a roof over my head.

    We’ve found a whole new money tree! Keep taxing the rich for everything! The rest of us won’t need to work. Only rich 1% will work and the remaining 99% of us can live the high life on their TAX! We won’t need to work any more!

    Hold on…. something doesn’t feel right somewhere……

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    Hugh Janus says:

    Rule 1 – the political classes always look after their own.

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    Anonymous says:

    It won’t be until after the next election

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    Securing the Recovery says:

    Economics? No, this is populism.

    Ball is putting symbolism before sound money. It’s Gordon Brown all again.

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    That is the kind of porn Cameron should be banning.

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    That’s because Gordon Brown was following Ed Balls’s advice before.

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    Obvious innit says:

    Anything but White Dee’s bennies

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    Preferably a death at the democratic hands of the people of Europe rather than the slightly stronger hand of the Russ!an army.

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    Business disagreeing with Ed Balls.

    Is this a sign that the crony capitalism thing – communitarianism – is perhaps coming apart as well now ?

    If that is so then the end of the EU is a lot closer than many realize.

    What to do with a continent where about half of the younger generation have not been in work for the past five years or so is a whole different issue.

    Canon fodder anyone ?

  132. 132
    Penny Dread says:

    So French voters don’t mind their president treating women like shit?

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    Balls Echo Chamber says:

    Balls and labour do not give a flying fuck about the economy its all about getting hold of power. Len McLuskey awaits in the background and bides his time

    They are coming and they are coming for you.

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    UKIP or bust says:

    So, if I understand those figures, this pair of hypocritical vile scum get 8,152,701 between them every ‘king year from the British tax payer for being vile labour traitors to the British taxpayer.

    That’s over EIGHT MILLION! How can this be, and for what? What do they do?

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    UKIP or bust says:

    Does John Major and his old woman get that sort of dosh, I wonder?

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    comp kid says:

    I object to being lectured on politics and the NHS
    by posh twat Rufus Hound.

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    Everyone says:

    What doesn’t feel right are still very very rich people paying less tax than their cleaners.

    Worse, they run businesses which are then subsidized by the taxpayers of this country and have the cheek to direct govcernment policy to favout them rather than the people of this country who are footing the bills.

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    frank says:

    What lunatics would put their economy in the hands of a party millions of pounds in debt, wholly beholden to extreme left wing public sector unions and in the control of a man who was bankrolled by the Crystal Methodists Co Op bank?

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    Podiceps says:

    Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder.

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    Podiceps says:

    A majority of British voters, I fear.

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    Still on hols down under says:

    Well, third week in the sun done, more to come, 34 today folks and that’s Celsius, ha.

    Looking at the financial damage worldwide yesterday it’s clear the number one safe haven is the UK, you people need to take the creep gonads outside, why is Osbert not tearing this man apart?

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    Anonymous says:

    Yes, flog not fuck.

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    purity on the net says:

    That is the kind of porn which should not appear on a family blog like this. Attention modbot!

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    The equation says:

    Are there more sensible people than stupid thick mongs in the country?

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    Nothings says:

    By God he had absolutely nothing to say, like that so called comedian bloke on after

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    Anonymous says:

    Nothing except Fuck you and me over. You and me that rejected them 3 times.

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    Dr Owen Jones says:

    Crime, Alcoholism, obesity, incest and benefit dependency are all things Scots will be celebrating tonight, along with Burns Night.

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    Anonymous says:

    Too early. If he does it now he risks damaging Balls and he will be replaced. The plan is for the Tories to just absorb the crap until you get past the point of no return where balls cannot credibly be replaced. I suggest this point will be as the fireworks start lighting up the sky. At this point Osborne, Cameron and the entire lot of them will then open fire with a barrage the likes of which has never be seen before. It will be merciless it will be constant and it will be brutal.

    Patience all in good time

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    Princess Cinderella says:

    Bloody hell I thought you were describing the lib dem annual conference for a moment there

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    Ed Ballsup. says:

    I really don’t know what all the fuss is about.
    Last week I was up in Scotland with my mentor Gordon Brown, and he advised me, as the sorcerer’s apprentice so to speak, to re-introduce his 50p in the £ tax.
    He states it will bring in over £5billion which we could spend on benefits for Labour voters to keep them loyal. Simple really.

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    Lib Dem says:

    He was censured because he is obviously not gay like the rest of us; imagine flirting with a girl like she was his rent boy. Bloody disgraceful.

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    Just Saying. says:

    I think you will find that the current CEO Marc Boland is the problem, and certainly proving NOT to be the solution.

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    Because they are entitled to it, they ARE socialists after all!

  154. 154
    Mike Hancock says:

    No no
    No no, no no
    No no
    No no, there’s no limit!
    Techno techno techno!

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    Anonymous says:

    Ballls’s plan will be as successful as Hollandes’s love life.

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    Vlad says:

    Dracula’s a fictional character. Surely a better analogy would be John Prescott will learn portion control before Ed Balls balances a budget.

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    The fat lazy cow is ENTITLED to them !

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    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Balls and Miliband’s 50% tax idea is, along with other crap, designed to try and stem the growth that has started. If labour can stem the growth figures wages will remain low, thus keeping their supposed cost of living crisis in the headlines.
    Labour are playing politics with peoples lives, and what for, a socialist marxist union satisfying ideology.

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    Pundit Too says:

    Yes and the BBC are in a bit of a quandery as they have problems with contracts and all those zzzzzzzzzz “celebrities” who have so little following that they employ get well over £150,000, so you can imagine these champagne socialists phoning their comrades in PwC and other financial institutions asking for urgent advice on their contracts.

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    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    I’m getting very impatient.

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    Ed Balls says:

    You Twats clearly do not understand Post-neoclassical Endogenous Growth Theory.

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    Pundit too too says:

    This should be framed and put in a prominent safe place in the House of Commons and Lords as well as a signed copy by Cameron sent to Gordon Brown.
    I will certainly make sure it gets some circulation – quite brilliant.

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    Honorius Caesar says:

    I would like to announce that the Romans have left Britain.

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    Toffs for Liebour says:

    It’s a sales message to the braindead, stay with them and your bennys will be paid by the taxes of the right toffs, we don’t have left wing toffs otherwise it would not compute, notice how all the union moguls on above comment somewhere are all paid below the tax threshold for the 50% that their poodles are proposing.

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    Mark Oaten says:

    Ed Balls is just like my mouth. He’s full of shit.

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    Bemused says:

    I have some sympathy with what you are saying but it is a difficult nut to crack given that the people you are talking about generally live wherever they like, don’t use UK public services and probably don’t spend as much as you think given that £500K for a car is as expensive as they get and the most expensive house is £80million.

    The newspapers like to whip up this frenzy of hatred for billionaires but most of them probably do pay tax on the money the extract from their investments to buy stuff. It’s just that their living expenses are relatively small compared to their investments.

    Fact is that most of the loopholes that are exploited by the very rich are put there to help all of us.

    In the end, can you tax cash wealth anyway? If it were that simple the government could just print limitless money for its own use. You can only really tax labour, which in the end means ordinary working people.

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    Django says:

    Miliband actually looks like a comic character of yester’ year called Plug who was one of the Bash Street Kids in a comic called the Beano. Appropriately enough Plug was the tall daft member of the gang.

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    Bemused says:

    They’re going to be unemployed for a whole lot longer. It will take the peripheral countries a long time to build back up from where they have fallen. Still, I’m guessing more and more of them will be working in the black economy well away from the taxman and possibly well away from the law as well.

    Those fools running the EU don’t realise what they’ve done.

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    Sobvious, innit? says:

    Whores, rent-boys, bribes and drugs.

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    Sure as eggs is eggs says:

    Leave Edwina out of it

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    Bemused says:

    It’s OK. We’re so used to being on our knees we thought we’d just stay like that.

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    Thank you for your characteristically considered reply on the last page. Have got in for my very pleasant meal in the village to find the page has turned. I understand your position and agree with much, but not all, of it.

    I can see situations where the prospect for loss of innocent life is a distinct possibility. This is may main area of concern.

    In such situations, it is not always possible to anticipate correctly how matters will develop and one can be wrong either way. One cannot second guess these incidents.

    The likes of Gordon Thompsom, who torched Reeves of Croydon, could easily have been responsible for the deaths of dozens of people. I would far rather have seen one bullet dispatch him, prevent that possibility and set a warning to others.

    If that is not Libertarian, it matters not to me. And I am a Libertarian.

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    Cost-of-Labour-crisis says:

    Our next Prime Minister.

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    Can they possibly continue without bloodshed? says:

    They’re on the list, but Blair is a higher priority target. And Slotgob. And Brown. Ali Campbell has got to go. Don’t forget Mandelslime. Then there’s Straw, Blunkett, Harman, Beckett, Blears, Jacqui Smith, Dromey, Hoon, etc, etc.

    Those freaks in Buck House would have to go, too.

    Perhaps we should just put Kinnock in a cage and charge people a fiver to throw fæces at him?

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    Cost-of-Labour-crisis says:

    He’s solving the problem by allowing muzzie staff not to serve booze.

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    Welsh people don't money, there aren't any shops in that shithole says:

    The best anti-europe speech I’ve ever heard was by Kinnock. Really.

    It’s disappeared from pootube, strangely enough.

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    Cost-of-Labour-crisis says:

    Our next prime minister the Rt Hon Edward Miliband.

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    Dreams are for idiots, rational people deal in reality , the EU is a nightmare !

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    Vinnie van Goch says:

    Made my ear fall off.

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    Cost-of-Labour-crisis says:

    They are known as “talent”.

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    It went tits up when we came off gold standard says:


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    All the more fool them, if I had that kind of money I would get it as far away from the thieving taxman as I could.

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    Cost-of-Labour-crisis says:

    I hate Barroso, dirty Maoist.

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    ukip voter says:

    Actually Hollande’s sex life is a lot better than most. Try and think of another anology.

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    ukip voter says:

    I’d do the exact opposite to Stuart Rose.

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    Cost-of-Labour-crisis says:

    FFS let us realise our dreams and get the hell out of the EU Rompuy Rompuy.

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    Cost-of-Labour-crisis says:

    Who says they are going to ‘build back up’? Never ever with the euro.

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    The 50% tax is motivated purely by socialist spite , by their own admission it raises a negligible amount of revenue , it exists to keep the benefit parasites voting for an even bigger share of other people’s hard earned income .
    As a little bonus it will also undermine confidence and help to choke off any growth in the economy .

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    Anonymous says:

    Of course they are. They always do. The people need to wake upto this fact that Labour cannot afford for the economy to improve even further hence s Millibands attempts at sabotage

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    Cost-of-Labour-crisis says:

    Cost of living crisis.

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    bambina says:

    tony blair’s drug dealer during the 1990’s was geraldine ann moore who operated out of a flat on adelaide road nw3. she oh so amusingly went by the pseudonym “e moore”.

    there you go you labour fucks… that’s what you get for renegading on the half million quid you owed me for getting you know who out of some seriously criminal bother. but now you know who is back in some seriously criminal bother!!! fucking arrogant cheapskate scum. enjoy being murdered.

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    If the CEO of Kingfisher wants a new yacht that is his affair, if he can afford one why not?

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    The problem with the analysis of Thompson is this.

    He did not kill dozens of people.

    When considering the what ifs and then selecting a course of action based on an assumed or feared set of events which have not happened, then one is in the territory that Franklin warned about: Giving up a little liberty for a little security.

    The actual facts of that night and that event: Idiot set fire to a furniture store and the police stood by and did nothing. Fire crews also let it burn out as it wasn’t posing a real danger and their assessment was it would put lives unnecessarily at risk by going in to put it out.

    There is a good example of how a situation which from a media / propaganda angle can get people to start reacting emotionally rather than rationally. That is a dangerous place to be – again consider carefully Franklin’s words.

    Moreover, the fire and insurance payout likely did the business owner a favor, and at the end of the day only property was destroyed which in fact would create opportunities for others in terms of replacing and rebuilding.

    For a further example of why sending in the military to deal with civilian unrest is not a good idea, look at the 29 dead in E’gypt today. Then look ahead to what might happen in U’kraine if that government takes a set of actions in part based on the reasoning that you outlined above.

    Shooting people as a warning to others is not libertarian, or smart. It would create a weird sort of martyr and invite next time an immediate escalation in kind from the people.

    Have been mulling this question of military dealing with civil problems for a few days now and unless there is a civil war on then it really is not a good idea, or a smart thing to advocate.

    In the case of those who were involved in the riots, they I believe are the symptom of a much larger social problem that Labour incubated. Unfortunately the only real solution for that is the cannon fodder option if only because to create the opportunities that this underclass could fill in order to keep long term peaceful, competition overseas would need to be eliminated.

    Provided the conflict was just, that would be a libertarian solution, recalling that the only moral responsibility extends to the national borders. Beyond those borders it is fair game.

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    I think they know exactly what they have done.

    The problem is that the global economy can get by without Europe, and Europe is not strong enough to defend itself independently.

    This was an American plan also.

    If the UK wants to avoid being dragged down the drain with those across the channel, the only option is exit EU ASAP, and then jack up the defence budget.

    Philip Hammond should be charged with treason.

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    The mongs are not stupid, just lazy and a bit gullible. They are usually unforgiving when they figure out that they have been screwed over.

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    Another thought on the bullet and posse comitatus.

    If the bullet came from the gun on a private citizen or peoples militia, then as an act of defending private property yes. It would also send a strong deterrent as well.

    A bullet sourcing from the states military wing is what I would have a problem with.

    If the store keeper for example was of a mind not to use lethal force, why should that decision be usurped by others who really have no legitimate interest in defending his private property ?

    I know you will look at this reasoning deeper and get that I am arguing against the large assumed state where the people are mere clients without responsibility, and for individual responsibility and smaller state.

    The absence of that aspect of individual responsibility in civil society likely led Thompson to carry out the insane action he did that night. Again – a bullet from the state to silence a problem which the state has created is very dangerous ground to consider treading.

    The cannon fodder solution sort of follows this, but at least is open ended for the possibility of an improvement towards the end and would restore a sense of individual responsibility in the survivors, which would be an improvement.

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    Wong Wei says:

    Shiny Ferrari? Lots over here in Hong Kong. Only 15% income tax as well.

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    All is relative says:

    Exactly who is it in Poland that’s better off due to this claimed increase in prosperity ? It sure as hell isn’t the poor bloody troops on the ground.


    Ah ! Perhaps this is Rumpy-Pumpy’s sick way of telling us that the Ukraine is going down the shitter.

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    Oddsock Hospital says:

    Isn’t it strange the way these things usually turn up in fives ?

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    albacore says:

    You’ve sure got to hand it to Parliament
    Generating all this gas and dissent
    On which party’s OK and which one’s lax
    In fiddling about with your income tax
    While none of the sods will give you a vote
    On mass immigration, E U or owt

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    Genghiz the kahn says:

    For 98.8% of Labour’s time in office top band of income tax was 40%. For a mere 1.2% of the time and just before the last general election it rose to 50%.

    The sage of Twickenham thought that the 50% rate lasted 57 days.

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    Hackney black disabled lesbian immigrant dog walkers and outreach workers says:

    Hack chewally mon old fruit, it is votre great idea of raising ze taxes to 70% in your country zat has now made London ZE place to live for beaucoup de rich Frogmens. Eet eez now at long last possible to get a decent croissant and baguette in London. Zank you for your assistance.

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    Hackney black disabled lesbian immigrant dog walkers and outreach workers says:

    … and what exactly do they manage to spend that amount of money on between them?

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    Hackney black disabled lesbian immigrant dog walkers and outreach workers says:

    Old Drac will just have to make do with good old Jamaican blood oranges then, won’t he?

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    Hackney black disabled lesbian immigrant dog walkers and outreach workers says:

    … or the one after that either…

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    Hackney black disabled lesbian immigrant dog walkers and outreach workers says:

    Are they for real?? Better be care not to sneeze then!

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    Hackney black disabled lesbian immigrant dog walkers and outreach workers says:

    *careful (got flour all over my keyboard now)

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    Hackney black disabled lesbian immigrant dog walkers and outreach worker says:

    In case it has escaped your notice, they have been printing limitless money for their own use for the past several years. The bill is being presented daily to the general public.

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    Fly on the wall says:

    Oh! You mean like Ze Madonna viz ze Big Boobies?

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    FrankField's Buttplug says:

    The Two Ed’s – not quite The Two Ronnies, more Mike & Bernie Winters

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    Fly on the wall says:

    The throats of the current opposition front bench? Lots of folk would pay to attend that event!

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    Ma­qbo­ul says:

    The best reason is that lowering tax rates usually leads to an increase in tax revenue.

    Balls is appealing to the base envy of the those voters who contribute nothing to the economy by penalising those who do.

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    Fly on the wall says:

    In that case, why not simply arm the police? Why is the UK one of the few countries that allow our guardians of the law to go around unprotected from loony hooligans? There are too many ordinary cops getting severely injured or worse by eg knife carrying drug addicts. The police need the means to protect themselves as well as the public.

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    Fly on the wall says:

    Maybe, but more people have heard of Dracula and his dietary habits than have heard of Fatty Prescott, so will understand the reference better.

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    Fly on the wall says:

    .. a rose by any other name etc …

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    Jack Ketch says:

    Spot on, and Balls looks like Smiffy.

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    Still on hols down under says:

    Thanks anon. I’ll open another tinny on that. 38 degrees tomarra! Strewth.

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    Still on hols down under says:

    So Egypt kicking off again. When will we hear the first politico demanding we take the asylum seekers? Of course they must not be allowed to sort out their own difficulties. William, either send in the gunboats or lay on planes, do not prevaricate again. Make sue you pay Al Quats with our tax money. Idiot.

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    I follow your argument above and below.

    There are some problems which need addressing.

    To the first two sentences: there are many crimes where the contingency is considered rather than the outcome. I would suggest that is valid. The idiot who threw a fire extinguisher off the roof a few years ago is a case in point.

    There were two hundred people or so underneath him. If that had landed on any of their heads, it would have killed them outright. The state’s decision to prosecute him and the severity of the punishment handed down needed to take account of the contingency and not solely be based on the fact that he wrecked an otherwise perfectly good fire extinguisher. It would be perverse to argue otherwise.

    Franklin wasn’t considering the types of actions of this man, neither the one who set fire to Reeves when he made his remark, in my opinion. Indeed, he organised a militia to fight the native uprisings and later to defend the natives against settlers. But, by never holding the role of President, he was able to avoid the responsibility for some dilemma-laden decisions which may not have left him in quite such a favourable light.

    My concern is more for the safety of the law-abiding and innocent community at large than for those who would put them at risk. It was because the government ceased to take this view in terms of its own field of control but thought fit to impose it upon another nation, thus exposing its hypocrisy, which helped me make up my mind over my relocation.

    Regarding your examples, there is a great deal of difference between anti-government protest and behaviour which puts the whole community at risk. It would be very wrong in my view to conflate these entirely distinct phenomena. Indeed, one may use Franklin’s dictum to defend the second category.

    It was not my purpose to shoot people as a warning to others but a by-product of that. I admit that I could have made that rather clearer and am glad to clarify, but you would have to rather twist my words to wrongly derive that as my primary purpose, given the preceding words. Regret I do not buy the insurance payout argument at all. Glad you consider that there is a case for the store owner shooting (not that this will ever come about in the UK) but many of the public would see a distinct difference between this person and de Menezes IMO. Yet our security forces make a habit of picking the wrong man – you would think they had a Common Purpose.

    Again, my long familiarity with that part of Croydon instructs my thinking. Not in this particular case, but in many others nearby, people actually live over the premises. Very often, they are not connected with the business at ground floor level. This is very similar to the fire extinguisher example above. The fact that no one was killed was only due to extreme fortuity.

    Imagine that things had gone the other way there. A dozen or more innocent people, including children, had been burned to death through the actions of a crazed looter. I know it didn’t happen but it just as easily could have done. To base morality solely upon outcomes has always been recognised by most thinking people as unsound.

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    Egypt, if it really kicks off will make Syria look like a spat in a ladyboys dressing room !

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    Sue Denim says:

    Shadow Cabinet.

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    hollande was right .really? says:

    really for the next 20 years what other way can labour go other than increase tax.

    they have spent our childrens cash.

    tax rises are the only game in town for labour unless the tories implode like in 1993.

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    C.O.Jones says:

    Someone should teach Ed Balls what 50% really is by eating half his food and drinking half his pint.

    Fancy half a cup of tea luv?

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    Well that went well says:

    I see Balls economic policy speech has benn well received in other parts as well.

    “Labour civil war after Balls lurches to Left with soak-the-rich 50 per cent tax bombshellBlair allies accuse the Shadow Chancellor of ‘economic illiteracy’
    They say ‘Socialist’ move takes the party back to days of Harold Wilson”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2546078/Labour-civil-war-Balls-lurches-Left-soak-rich-50-cent-tax-bombshell.html#ixzz2rUbOOImB
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

    “Yesterday, flat-lining Balls had a bad economic policy… now he’s got no economic policy at all, writes former Labour adviser DAN HODGES”

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    Asleep at the wheel says:

    English = planned minority, and no voice.

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    Its all about getting votes sod all about solving the economic mess created by LABOUR says:

    Labour MPs and union leaders hailed the initiative as a ‘populist vote-winner’ that could propel the party into power at next year’s General Election.

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    smoggie says:

    Don’t forget they’ve got their son on the books as well.

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    The Boy Plunger says:

    So you want me to work and make money.

    Then for every pound I make you want me to give you over 60p and I can keep what is left over ?

    Well Ed what little pay backs have you to offer me?

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    Screwed Taxpayer says:

    Meanwhile Camoron spends like there’s no fucking tomorrow as usual. After 4 years the cnut is still blaming Gorgon & Co. That’s no excuse for borrowing yet another £250 MILLION to waste today, just like every day.

    LibLabConners are all the same.

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    broderick crawford says:


    we have been asked to make clear that our client has always embraced the healthy tradition of his transylvanian forbears by devouring the traditional side dish of boiled , raw and pickled vegetables with his main meat dish of the night.

    he is open to all vegetalia — except garlic !

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    Anonymous says:

    The problems as always been the Labour voting settlements in Scotland the North and the postal voting regions in the big cities they vote for Labour because we are told to, me dad did and Scotland fuck knows.

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    A warning from history says:

    Balls is a mere beginner in soaking the rich he should try and emulate Healey by bringing in top rate of 83p and then topping it off with an additional surcharge of 15p on investment income making top rate of 98p. As Healey told a cheering Labour Conference in 1873…” I’m gonna squeeze the rich until the pips squeak !”. Strangely though Conference booed him 3 years later in 1976 when faced with a run on sterling caused by massive outflows of capital abroad as a result of him “squeezing the rich” he had to approach the IMF for a bail out. The IMF imposed draconian conditons which led indirectly to the “Winter of Discontent” and the end of Labour for a generation and the ushering in of Thatcher.

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    Anonymous says:

    Permit me to enlighten you ,Reader. The reason they bother is ‘cos “me paa vooted liebour,me maaa vooted liebour, mee granpa & mee granny did,so I vote for ‘em as well”

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    At the BBC we like it three says:

    Lenni, the paper tiger at the BBC, thinks it’s GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAATE

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    A warning from history says:

    *should read 1973….not 1873….of course as …”Going back to Victorian Values” was another policy that failed BUT that’s another story

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    broderick crawford says:

    PARANOID STARE TO SPHERICALS : I really think you might have finally got somewhere near the knuckle with this manoeuvre — keep trying you re very close .

    SPHERICALS TO PARANOID STARE : that s what I get told every Saturday night .

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    broderick crawford says:

    OI !!

    Leave Bennies Street out of this !!

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    A warning from history says:

    “…….they have spent our childrens cash…..”

    I regret to tell you it’s NOT just our children’s but our grandchildren’s as well…the sheer scale of Labour’s mishandling of the economy has not even begun to be known.

    We shall be living with the effects of it for decades whoever is in government and re-electing Labour will just compound the debt further

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    Never underestimate the overall gullibility of large swathes of the electorate says:

    Many a true word…..

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    Anonymous says:

    Mark Sandell editor of World Have Your Say and partner of Radio 5 Live presenter Victoria Derbyshire faces claims of sexual harassment against a female employee. He left his wife Fi Glover in 2002 for the radio host. Last night, the BBC also confirmed that his expenses claims were being investigated. He moved to another job after he was found to have bullied several staff.


    The lefties don’t you just love em

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    Not seen you for a long time. Been away or just under a different moniker?

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    Anonymous says:

    We have PFI yet to appear . LabOur used this like a sweetie shop. Yes it was used under the Tories but with care

    Labour just let rip. they are quite simply criminal.

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    The most amusing claim ever says:

    Latest poll published in respect of Scottish Independence shows large number in Wales and England who want Scotland to leave the “Union”……..although it’s not certain which union they were wanting the Scots(and themselves ?) to leave as the “Don’t Knows” or “Didn’t understand the question” seemed to top the poll.

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    broderick crawford says:

    m and s went to the wall when they ditched their st michael value for money mens clothing in favour of euro ” fashion” styles made in south east asia programmed to last one season only . this does not accord with british male consumer s paradigm of clothes which last at three seasons or more . get rid of built in obsolescence .

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    Anonymous says:

    Labour still blame a woman who left office nearly 30 years ago. It seems that any leftie is forgotten after a month

    Go figure?

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    Sunny Jim says:

    More like Dumb & Dumber

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    Cuts and Balls – sounds much better.

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    broderick crawford says:

    well perhaps some intrepid investigative reporter will pull his finger out and start an investigation then we ll all know !!

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    Anonymous says:

    You are right. I have a business with over 800 specialised personnel on my books. I am comfortable that he business i own pays the tax it does now though I still think its high.

    If Labour are elected it will be moved out of the country within a month.

    That’s what will happen all over and will be the true “cost of balls” as the revenues are placed beyond his reach. I am not the only one already making such preparations by far as a contingency plan in the event of another Labour government.

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    I'm going back to bed and hopefully wake up back in reality says:

    Ed Balls has flipped.

    He’s now complaining about the deficit he created.

    Andrew Marr has flipped

    He’s now correcting Balls for calling it a bedroom tax.

    Strange Times

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    bergen says:

    And if Labour gets back in 2015 you can be assured that anything interesting in that Report will never see the light of day. For that reason expect Blair to campaign for Milliband next year.

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    Anonymous says:

    Never ceases to amaze me that Labour seem to think they can spend the majority of my money better than I can

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    Obscure Wireless station watch says:

    What is this radio 5 for and does it have an audience?

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    bergen says:

    I wonder how our press would have treated a PM who looked and behaved like a character created by the late Benny Hill.

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    General Custer Balls at the battle of the little big horn says:

    The left are being routed. They are surrounded by their own incompetence and invalid promises.

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    The EU rejoices that our Referendum has been wrecked says:


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    Screwed Taxpayer says:

    One small example of Cnut Camoron’s waste — why is the stupid bastard giving money to India, while they are sending space mission to Mars?


    What’s that got to do with Gordon & Bollux cock-up — nothing — it’s 100% Dave’s fault.

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    I’m heading to Auschwitz. Sending you kisses. Your Heini says:

    Holocaust deniers are going to really hate this


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    Screwed Taxpayer says:

    It is to provide “employment” for yet more second rate meeja luvvies in the Beeb

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    Oh Dear says:

    We are in deep trouble, Ed bollocks on Marr, mentioned “investment”, double dip, triple tips if the Liebour garbage get in.

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    bergen says:

    Another of Healey’s taxes was Development Land Tax. The legislation had two “appointed days” for implementation. Thankfully they were out of office before the second day came into effect as it proposed to raise the rate to 100%. It would have stopped private housebuilding in its tracks.

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    Anonymous says:

    We are building an aircraft carrier in the one eyed twats constituency. Negotiated by the one eyed twat. That agreement calls for a second carrier that if cancelled costs more than to build it. The India cost pales into insignificance compared to that.

    Re India its all about improving conditions and keeping people where they live. If they don’t stay there they will try to Come here. Its a bribe and perhaps a bad one but still. I can tell you have never been to India.

    If you believe we are funding their space programme like the extremists would have you believe then you are thick

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    lojolondon says:

    Never forget that one of the key terms of the EU pension is that it can be forfeit if the person criticises the EU or doesn’t support the EU. So the Kinnocks, Mandleson, and anyone who has every worked in Europe is bribed with a massive pension to keep on the party line!

    Remember how much criticism there was of Nigel Farage when he spent £200k on expenses?? Not a squeak from the MSM at a family of two who appear to blow £5m a year!!

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    Hague and Dave never wanted a referendum set in law says:

    Hague just let it slip.

    He and Dave wanted the referendum bill to fail. So at the election it is a straight referendum choice between the Tories and Labour.

    This now explains why the Tory backbenchers wanted a referendum written in law for whoever wins the next election.

    Dave and Hague should hang their heads in shame.

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    C.O.Jones says:

    Someone needs to tell them that the term they use “investment” is incorrect as their version of the word brings back no returns.

    They really need to use the term “public expenditure”.

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    Anonymous says:

    The fact that the EU receive with glee the fact that people are denied a vote tells you all you need to know.

    Labour and lib dems want in and destroyed any chance of a EU referendum
    Tories partly want out and some in but offered a referendum
    UKIP are just not fielding enough candidates to beat Labour

    A sorry state of affairs which will probably end up with the two eds in No 10 based on a UKIP protest vote and as a result total integration within the EU within 5 years making UKIP irrelevant or even a terrorist organisation in the eyes of that same EU.

    Remember the EU hate and despise the Tories but love Labour and the lib Dems. That should at least show you the way.

    What to do? What to do???

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    Throwing a fire-extinguisher off of a roof onto a crowd of people sounds like it is getting close to attempted murder.

    There is an established justice system which exists for prosecuting such crimes.

    People may have been living above the furniture store, but one of the risks of living above a commercial property is this kind of event taking place. Am in no way justifying the actions of Thompson, but people die in arson attacks all the time, why should this one be singled out. Those who do kill people through their acts of arson are generally prosecuted for either murder or manslaughter, and if there are people above at the time the fire started, that should constitute attempted murder.

    I think you see here the problem with warning shots and over reaction, as well as that Franklin was warning very specifically about how people react to these kind of events.

    Unless Thompson was paid to do this by someone connected with the store, his actions do reflect those of an individual who has absolutely no sense of personal responsibility.

    That is the core of the problem which needs to be addressed, as it was similarly reflected in the other several thousand people who were involved in the broader events over those four days, and is reflected on a day to day basis in less dramatic terms in modern Britain today.

    Now back to the role of the state in all this:

    The police allowed those events to unfold as they did by holding back. Why ? The police are just as much to blame for the destruction of property, and deaths if they had occurred.

    The state itself has created this problem by subsuming the responsibilities of the individual and removing the ability for people to defend their own private property. The state is at fault as it has created an underclass of people who have no sense of responsibility.

    Back to the Thompson event – the ‘authorities’ had determined that there was no one at risk and decided to allow the fire to burn out for the camera’s. The whole thing was a bit stage managed.

    (The burning down of the Sony DVD depot was a somewhat more obvious insurance scam.)

    The notion of pre-crime and acting upon events on the basis of pre-justice and extra-judicial actions has no part in UK society. That may be the thinking in Europe and the US, but their thoughts on this are wrong.

    Thanks to the uncontrolled immigration of Labour – the Croydon you knew is no more. It is a ghetto. The notion of community would be a good first base – such a thing does not exist there.

    Incidentally, some people I know were in Croydon around that time – during the day – and they mentioned to me that on the station platform they were being openly challenged for their possessions by guys with knives. Not really a mugging, as when they told those with knives in no uncertain terms to p’iss off they did so. Reported to the police, but nothing came of it.

    The guys with the knives in that case were not white, as were not most of the filthy faces I saw in the footage whilst overseas.

    Still, irrespective of my qualified prejudices, the deployment of military or para-military forces into that situation could not be justified.

    The voting out of the government which created the problem, and that which allowed it to happen is perhaps a good step in the right direction.

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    Walter Wallcarpeting says:

    Socialism is a ‘luxury’ which the world cannot afford.

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    The India aid farce is typical of Dave’s liberal intelligentsia “feeling good and caring about those less fortunate than ourselves” crap policies.

    The U.K. is in serious debt, which continues to worsen every day. Dave is supposedly a Conservative Prime Minister and should axe such nonsense.

    He won’t because he is an abject failure.

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    lojolondon says:

    This is appalling behaviour from a LibDem, not to the standard demanded by the party. This man is clearly interested in members of the opposite sex, the girl was of legal age at the time, the girls were sitting drinking absynth with the man, they are not mentally or physically disadvantaged, and they were not asked to get into any kind of kinky or perverted setup.

    I am not convinced this man is a LibDem at all!

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    Out of EU now says:

    Odd you don’t mention foulkes Kinnock and the rest of the leftie lords who actually made it fail. Odd that?
    But for their actions you would now at last have a referendum written into law until 2015. Then of course the incoming eds would overturn it.

    I want out of the EU by the way so agree with you but I know if Labour get anywhere ear no 10 its a lost cause

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    Casual Observer 2 says:

    Dave and Willybum’s heads should be spiked on the railings, like those of similar traitors in the past.

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    Anonymous says:

    To the Labour Party RFI was investment.

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    Postal Votes are Labour Loo Paper says:

    Balls talks balls- quel surprise. This man should be taken out and shot for what he has done to this country.

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    That would be fine, provided private individuals also have the ability to carry equivalent firearms and can apply for the right to obtain concealed carry permits.

    The UK police are already armed.

    The equation for the bad guys becomes simple: Arm the police, they will arm to counter that force. Duggan is an example.

    The problem is for law abiding folk: With the increase in firearms in the hands of criminals, and the police (who to be fair cannot be trusted), then law abiding folk are at a disadvantage.

    It would make for a more equal and respectful society if this imbalance was addressed, and once the rights of the people to defend themselves has been restored, arming the police would be a good decision.

    The fine tuning would be to ensure that the police do not become a para-military force (as they really are in many European countries).

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    Anonymous says:

    I see the left wing trolls are out in force this morning

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    Hague and Dave never wanted a referendum set in law says:

    That’s irrelevant to the fact that Cameron and Hague wanted it to fail.

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    I think I can see a slight issue here says:

    Perhaps we should vote for the other lot then. What we need to do is get the white Dees off the teat that would release billions. There is no way she and many like her should simply live off the backs of the rest of us.
    The genuine cases yes but not these parasites.

  282. 282
    Rt hon. Blathering Smythe QC says:

    The court and i have noted that the witness has not provided a link to this said statement of the accused.

  283. 283
    Hague and Dave never wanted a referendum set in law says:

    If you refer to me I am anything but left wing, unlike Cameron. The only sensible referendum route was to have it set in stone (in law) that there will be a referendum in the next parliament. Now the bill has failed and if there is a coalition again, then there will NOT be a referendum.

    Hague has let slip that he prefers this.

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    Hague and Dave never wanted a referendum set in law says:

    Andrew Marr Show. This AM

  285. 285

    I just hope that when the european civil war starts , there are enough of these pro european wanker politicians left alive to swing on the end of a rope in public

  286. 286
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    The BBC Empire, was it ever thus.

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    Lou Scannon says:

    Surely the problem with this is corruption within the police force. I know that doesn’t apply to all police officers but it only takes a few bad ones to destroy people’s trust in the police as a whole, and I reckon that’s where we are right now.
    Of course, this is partly the result of the police having become politicised, by which I mean they are now required to enforce laws which exist solely for political purposes which have nothing to do with ‘law and order’.

    I don’t think I could never feel comfortable in a country where police were armed and carried their weapons on open display. I have been in such a country (though only briefly) and consequently I did not feel safe there.
    I admit that there are some localised spots in the UK where armed police are present. I don’t feel safe there either.

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    Mr Potato Head says:

    They know that raising taxes will damage the economy but they do not care. They are happy to pander to jealousy just as long as they are in power. And there is a rich vein of jealousy to mine.

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    I dislike socialists intensely says:

    I cannot understand how anybody could possibly vote Labour,they cannot be all so thick that they do not understand the total lunacy of Len McClusky,s two puppets,
    Miliband and Balls crazy economic policies .I know that they were bag carriers to
    the worst Prime Minister in a hundred years, but for goodness sake .

  291. 291
    Ed Balls says:

    I wish people would stop taking the piss. I can’t be all that bad at maths – I managed to flip my taxpayer-funded property 3 times.

  292. 292

    At least three countries have had referendums on europe and ALL voted NO
    so they conned the easiest of the three into voting yes
    Thanks to the Irish a few million people were bribed into determining the future of half a billion people

    well done Ireland

  293. 293

    Why do i waste my time posting comments that dont get shown

    talk about censorship

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    Casual Observer 5 says:


    Here is a very interesting article for you:


    Once worked with that guy. He is not a trader but a broker. Not as offensive, but from the same school as Lee Amatis. Generally good but you would not want to mess him around.

    Very likely some South London gang related activity here – you can do the background on his family (unless it has been excised).

    I would suggest that this indicates not all is well in the economy at present, but it does give an insight into the kind of people who are running some of the financial houses in London.

    Hope Robin makes a full recovery and the individuals who were responsible for this are caught. Would not hold breath on that point.

    He would have benefited from a concealed carry permit.

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    uyd says:

    Thanks for the post. I did raise an eyebrow when I read about this. Looks like he was given a warning for some reason. I hope the plod take it seriously/ are not bent too. Press seem to have largely ignored it.

  296. 296
    Ed Balls says:

    Like my hair style? It’s inspired by Germany circa 1933.

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    I would argue there are two problems:

    i) Corruption: That varies by force but is generally present. It is beneficial in some cases for keeping the peace, but in notable cases such as the MET it does undermine the effectiveness of the police to credibly enforce and uphold the law.

    ii) Politicization: The police should not be political.

    The barrier to arming police is the politicization.

    It was political concerns which likely were behind senior officers not acting swiftly in the riots – to undermine the public’s confidence in the government and send a message to government as to who is boss.

    The M’itchell case was a clear follow up.

    If the police are a political entity then arming them certainly would be hazardous as it opens up the possibility of politically motivated extra judicial killing, such as is common practice in many other countries.

    The second problem appears to have formed under Labour, and needs to be addressed more urgently than the corruption.

    As for the few bad apples – that is a common feature of any corporation or public service. This is no different to the smearing of the entire banking sector on the back of the actions of a few criminals within their ranks.

    The notion that the police should be regarded any higher than any other public service is a nonsense. They do need to be held to account much more closely, and not allowed to conceal corruption behind political agenda’s such as equality and allegations of institutional racism.

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    Mi Suk Long says:

    That Mr Handycock is very bad man. He say he so horny. I say pay me 50 dorra and I give you boom boom long time. He say no. He say he pay me 5 dorra. I say fuh you! He say he want me to fuh him but only for 5 dorra. Me no like Mr Handy. Me hate him long time.

  300. 300
    Anonymous says:

    The picture sums up the UK since 1945.

  301. 301
    Adolph Miliband says:

    We’d expect nothing less from an InterNational Socialist

  302. 302
    Anonymous says:

    How come there is never any mention of the 60% effective tax rate that kicks in at £100k?

  303. 303
    Intellectual Pygmy says:

    There is a difference between love and sex.

  304. 304
    c777 says:

    The politics of envy.
    Same old Liebour.

  305. 305
    Mi Suk Long says:

    Me no like Mr Rennie. He bad man. He put fat hand on my leg. I say you need pay me 20 dorra to touch leg. He say he powerful man. I say I don’t give a fuh, I want my 20 dorra.

    Mr Rennie try put smelly tongue in my mouth. I feel very sick. I puke all over him. He very angry. He so angry, he shake and his fat jiggle. Me laugh long time. He shout at me. I say pay me 60 dorra. He ask why. I say because puke is special service.

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    Essex police will take this very seriously.

    Robin does his quota of good charity work in his spare time, and certainly did not deserve this.

    Thoughts are with him and his family.

    Anyone who wants to get an insight into the guy would be well advised to Google up the EuroBrokers response to the 9-11 attack.

    Robin was running the London office at the time and was involved with ensuring that families of staff killed in the NY office were looked after, and provided support for the move which prevented the US government from immediately deporting some of those families on visa technicalities as a result of staff fatalities.

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    Mi Suk Long says:

    That Mr Oaten is very sick man. Me not like him long time. He say he want special. I say it’s 50 dorra for boom boom. He say no. He say he want very special. I say puke is 60 dorra. He say no. He say he want very me so horny special. I say what mean that. He say he want my brother to do poo poo long time on him. I say fuh you! Me no do that for anyone! He call me bitch. I call him sick bastard!

    Me not see any Liberal Demclaps any more. They not horny, they all sick. Me hate them long time.

    Now I see new customer. He called Mr Ford. He say he from Canada.

  309. 309
    Don't kid yourself says:

    The Tories want in as much as the other two stooge parties.

    Sure there may be a few public dissenting voices, more for show and to fool the gullible than any real genuine anti-EU sentiment.

  310. 310
    Fly on the wall says:

    Over the years I have lived in several countries – eg throughout Europe and many parts of the Middle East – where the local police are armed and have never yet felt threatened by it/them. They are a reassuring feature/presence when eg snatch theft etc is rampant. Cameroon should depoliticise the police by getting rid of the top 3 ranks of every force (and disbanding and removing any power they may think they have from the clowns who call themselves ACPO) and warning those who replace them that they are being watched by us to exercise proper neutrality. Cancelling about 3000 of Blair’s political laws crap would also help. Whatever happened to that Great Repeal Bill we were promised?

  311. 311
    altruism in industry says:

    Dotun Adebayo is the only decent presenter on Radio 5

  312. 312
    Calamity Clegg, Chief Cockroach says:


  313. 313
    Still on hols down under says:

    Who is this White D? Is it a washing powder?

  314. 314

    The fire extinguisher incident was done by a young fool from a respectable middle class family who gave himself up after Guido offered a reward for his identity and a number of us chipped in to support him.

    We may have fun on here as a community but we can also have an effect in real life terms, as may also be seen from Guido’s long list of scalps. Full kudos to him.

    On the streets of NY, Thompson would have been taken out by the cops had they seen him, no doubt, no hesitation. It would have all been forgotten in minutes without vigils and protests that occur in the UK over the loss of genuine scum. There’s your problem.

    Clearly there is a balance to be drawn here and, believe it or not, I am not calling fro an oppressive state. But allowing people to think that they can do what they wish, anything (including the contingent risk which I regret you have not addressed), no criminality is too great to ignore, that level of defying the peace of the greater majority – that one day such situation will go so badly wrong that the British people’s views will become polarised the other way. Regrettably we have a long tradition of head-in-the sand attitudes (prior to WWII, support for the miners in 1974) but, when we are eventually woken up, it is earth shattering. Euro elections in May this year will be just such a situation.

    Am quite happy to argue the ethical aspects further as we do appear to be in disagreement on quite important detail.

    On the wider front, the approach to authority in the UK is so badly skewed that almost everything happens for the wrong reasons. On that we seem to be in firm agreement.

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    altruism in industry says:

    that he is agricultural spokesman may explain

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    Still on hols down under says:

    You lot think immigrants on is bad in the UK, you should se it here. Teeming hordes of brown skins out for Aussie day in the sunshine! huge groups under the trees taking over the public barbie areas and NONE speak English. They are just talking about this now and quoting Dave’s crackdown(!!) on non speakers, of course by the time they do anything it will be too late.

    Apparently half of Aussies were either born abroad or their parents were. It is amazing the tinie, Barbie culture is stil around but probably not for much longer.

    Why are brownies always pushing double buggies?

    Your ongoing correspondent from Adelaide now, wine country tomorrow.

  317. 317
    Owen Jones says:

    I hear you are looking for cheap fags. How can I help?

  318. 318
    altruism in industry says:

    the day after 9/11 some believable sounding guy came on the radio and said that a friend of his who worked in the building had said the weekend before people were kept away as teams of guys were in there working on all the wiring.

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    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    I recall that Australia belonged to brownies called Aboriginies.

  321. 321

    The gunman, who was wearing a balaclava, fled the scene in a vehicle parked nearby

    Almost complete immunity. That encourages the next man.

    If this aspect is not fought, then nothing will ever be sorted out. It will probably require some rough justice for a while. Don’t see anyone with the cojones to do it.

  322. 322
    aka says:

    But it worked so well for C&A!

  323. 323

    The ease with which the assailant of your erstwhile colleague, shot at Shenfield station, evaded capture only enforces my argument.

  324. 324
    Still on hols down under says:

    Granted, but as they exchanged eg the land of Melbourne for food and clothes, didn’t know they could sell land, didn’t have the wheel and we’re basically a basket case (still are) they had it coming didn’t they or do you think South Africa should still belong to the Dutch?

  325. 325
    Jacob the RM says:

    Who is the lady known as White Dee please.

  326. 326
    Jacob the RM says:

    What is The Twitter please?

  327. 327

    Of course it should

  328. 328
    Cabbage says:

    62% when you factor in NI. 66 when employers NI added and every time the nill rate band increases so does the 60% rate band. The very idea that these ludicrous marginal rates exist just shows that Cameron is obsessed with taxation just as Balls is.

  329. 329
    Swiss Tony says:

    complete bollocks of course.

  330. 330

    BTW I wish your former colleague, Lee Amaitis in character or not, a full recovery.

  331. 331
    Jim says:

    Are you sure?
    So many voters depend on Welfare for Sky TV and football.
    Labour think an economic policy is passing a Law that says they will not borrow money and their Voters will believe them.
    That is Some Blind Faith.

  332. 332
    Jim says:

    To early to say.
    He has got the budget balanced, now it is down to him to defend the Country.
    A good starting point in his Campaign is the Russian warship appearing off the coast of Scotland with the British Navy at anchor in Portsmouth.
    What did Cameron say about that?
    We are building for the future?

  333. 333
    (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

    Smiffy always gets things wrong!

  334. 334
    (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

    “Real mad bird!”

  335. 335
    Anonymous says:

    So vote UKIP then and put Labour back in

    That’ll work NOT

  336. 336
    Anonymous says:

    Precise words please not your fucking bias twist on them. Until then you are talking out your ass and hearing what you want to hear.

  337. 337
    Dhobi wallah says:

    Because you would never ever get a new improved version

  338. 338
    (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

    I DEFINITELY would!

  339. 339

    Not necessary it’s there for all to see ,they are not in the least embarrassed .

  340. 340
    Graham says:

    Absolutely correct. Liebour is the part for the ‘something for nothing’ Hunts. Always has been and always will be.

  341. 341
    geordieboy says:

    That makes you a heredity retard.

  342. 342
    geordieboy says:

    Dumb Fuck and Dumber Fuck

  343. 343
    geordieboy says:

    What the fuck has this got to do with the 50p tax hike.

  344. 344
    geordieboy says:

    Farmers do it in wellies.

  345. 345
    geordieboy says:

    Where do you find cheap fags in New York Owen? you little ass lick.

  346. 346
    geordieboy says:

    Get yourself a mega mortgage and save a grand a year.

  347. 347
    Battery Chargé d'Affaires says:

    Just because your home’s a flat that doesn’t mean it’s a pancake.

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    It was gordons policies that don it says:

    Trouble is the Normans are still in the big houses keeping the German bitch and her siblings in London to sign off their laws to.

  349. 349
    Mike Oxenfire says:

    I still think he looks more like Bernie Winters. Only Schnorbitz is missing…

  350. 350
    Ailurophile says:


    The Irish weren’t bribed.
    They were terrorised. Scared. Frightened. Bullied. Collectively.
    The poor gobshites fell for it.

    And so, the Gravy Train rolls on. For now.

    But (to borrow a phrase from some Republicans), “our day will come”.

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    I spot his Schnorbitz says:

    It’s between his eyes, just above his top lip.

  352. 352
    Carole says:

    Tone, Tone, if you read this, call me babe.

  353. 353
    Wendi says:

    You keep your hands off my hunk you biatch.

  354. 354
    Goldsmith says:

    Awwwwwwwwwww, I remember Bambi too.

  355. 355
    Jack depressed Straw )have sympathy for me people!) says:

    I read this from Anonymous
    ‘Until then you are talking out your ass and hearing what you want to hear.’
    and recognised that he could be talking about me.

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    A gleam of hope says:

    A good read imo.

  357. 357
    Blowing Whistles says:

    The Himm lerr article in the graph has so many holes in it – paragraph by paragraph. It does not stand up to scrutiny at all.

    As for the MOS – who are the people who are so “Obssessed” (24/7) about all things na.zi It’s as if they have and have had nothing else in their lives for almost 69 years but to spout, scream and fulminate over one event – which has had its numbers grossly over-inflated by its propaganda meisters?

    Isn’t it bizzare that they eat, sleep, and breath this poor us shit every fucking day?

  358. 358
    Anonymous says:

    They had to cancel the nativity play in Bennie St once again. Couldn’t find three wise men or a virgin

  359. 359
    Fanjita says:

    Its been clear for years that Balls’ agenda is to damage the UK economy and accelerate a culture of dependency upon the state for benefits, jobs and solutions / guidance in general. I’m surprised he hasn’t run down education to keep people ignorant of what he’s doing at the same time.

  360. 360
    Micky P in Casablanca says:

    boys boys boys

  361. 361
    Austin Powers says:

    YEAH BABY! Loving that thing you do …

  362. 362
    xplod says:

    Sorry if it’s been posted here already – from the States, but the principles’ the same. Of course, Balls would not understand it anyway.

    snopes.com: How Taxes Work

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    xplod says:

    Ooops, try this………

    How Taxes Work . . .

    This is a VERY simple way to understand the tax laws. Read on — it does make you think!!

    Let’s put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

    The first four men — the poorest — would pay nothing; the fifth would pay $1, the sixth would pay $3, the seventh $7, the eighth $12, the ninth $18, and the tenth man — the richest — would pay $59.

    That’s what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement — until one day, the owner threw them a curve (in tax language a tax cut).

    “Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20.” So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.00.

    The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six — the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his “fair share?”

    The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up being PAID to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

    And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59. Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free.

    But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. “I only got a dollar out of the $20,” declared the sixth man who pointed to the tenth. “But he got $7!”

    “Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man, “I only saved a dollar, too . . . It’s unfair that he got seven times more than me!”.

    “That’s true!” shouted the seventh man, “why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

    “Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison, “We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!”

    The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night he didn’t show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered, a little late what was very important. They were FIFTY-TWO DOLLARS short of paying the bill! Imagine that!

    And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.

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    Anonymous says:

    Clearly the Tory party propaganda has worked, based on the number of nitwits that have swallowed the line that taxing the rich less increases revenue. Maybe the numbers are fiddled, like unemployment, climate change etc. to support an argument?

  365. 365
    Nemesis says:

    So £150,000 plus is not enough for these greedy bastards. They should try living on the salaries that most of us have to live on. Anyway, they’re not all business people earning big money many of them are civil servants, chief officers of our health services and heads of the public bodies such as councils etc. Many of whom only take a risk with taxpayers’ money.

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    SarumSea says:

    This is an area that needs some exposure. It is in the terms for receiving an EU pension that the recipient supports the EU.
    Think who that includes:
    Patten ( running the BBC for heaven’s sake!)
    Mandelson ( God knows where his fingers might be)
    Both Kinnocks
    Clegg…. Eeee by ‘eck lad tha knows not what a gravy train really is.

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    (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

    Sarah Brett standing in for “Oprah” Nolan makes a far better fist of it!

  368. 368
    (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

    Who fucking believes Kellner?

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