January 23rd, 2014

Rachel Reeves Surrenders the Benefits Battle

Have Labour taken Dan Hodges’ advice and given up on fighting on welfare? This morning IDS took a sawn off shotgun to the opposition for their welfare record and a legacy that ‘let these problems be ghettoised as though they were a different country. Even now, for the most part they remain out of sight – meaning people are shocked when they are confronted with a TV programme such as Benefits Street.’  The speech was packed with ideas for reform and the moral case for it, yet the increasingly underwhelming Rachel Reeves is trying to suggest that it showed IDS has ‘no answers’. Which is rich coming from someone whose contribution to the benefits debate so far could fit on the back of small Post It note.

As Trigger’s speech on Monday proved, it is Labour who are devoid of any real contribution to the welfare reform debate. As Hodges said:

“It’s time for Labour to just shut up about welfare. It’s clear that Miliband does not feel comfortable advocating genuine cuts in the social security budget, and has no real intention of making the case for them.”

IDS sums up the problem rather well:

“Met with the problem of social breakdown, the Left would have it that a sympathetic approach is to sustain these people on slightly better incomes – the accepted wisdom of the last Government being that poverty is about money, and more state money should solve it. As a result, Labour ratcheted up welfare bills by an enormous 60%. Yet rarely did they stop to ask what impact that money was having, no matter if it kept individuals from the labour market, if it labelled them ‘incapable’, if it placed them in housing that they could never have afforded if they took a job. Where for most people, their life’s direction of travel is dictated by the informed decisions they make: can they afford a large family? Should they move in order to take up a better-paid job? Can they risk a mortgage to get a bigger home? Yet, too often for those locked in the benefits system, that process of making responsible and positive choices has been skewed – money paid out to pacify them regardless, with no incentive to aspire for a better life.”

Labour have no answers because they want to ignore the question.


122 Comments

  1. 1
    Adam Smith says:

    Absolutely spot on. human cattle kept kept fat, literally so in many cases, to ensure votes for Liebour.

    • 8
      Maggie says:

      The Sainted Maggie needs some recognition for her part in this farrago as well, she shunted thousands and thousands of people off the dole on to long term sick in northern working class communities she had closed industries down in. she did it to massage the numbers, but it has played its part in the generational worklessness we see in some parts of the country.

      that prob won’t be very popular on here, but this is a systemic issue going back generations and just going yah boo labour lets everyone off the hook

      • 18
        Executive Summary says:

        All Politicians are cūnts.

      • 27
        Village Idiot says:

        ….If it were true that people were deliberately put on incap ben to massage the unemployment figures,then all the doctors of the day would have been complicit in the cover-up,and liable for dishonesty! Heavy Industry took a heavy toll on the health and wellbeing of those that worked in it!

        • 47
          Bemused says:

          Not as much as the fags and beer mate.

          I worked in heavy industry for years and it was the heavy smoking, beer drinking and eating fish and chips daily that did the real damage. Working in heavy industry was bloody good exercise.

        • 59
          Yeah,right.... says:

          Doctors have been complicit in this deceit for years.

          Signing a sick note gets the shouty, possibly smelly and undoubtedly not middle-class patient out of the surgery quick as you like and frees up time for that appointment with that pretty young drug rep….

          • Wait - what! says:

            How many doctors have been struck off after confirming a patient is unfit for work only for them to be later found guilty of benefit fraud?

          • CYNICAL OLD GIT says:

            If faced with a 17 stone chav what could a lone female GP do ?

      • 29
        Tony Benn says:

        What industries did she close precisely?

      • 113
        CYNICAL OLD GIT says:

        I don’t remember Margaret thatcher owning any industries to shut down,she had no authority to shut down anybody else’s , which ones do you mean ?

    • 9
      Tankboy says:

      “back of the net” IDS – right on the money – excuse the pun

      • 23
        Silent Majority says:

        +1

        • 52
          Dontvoteforanyofthem says:

          I think that the cruel, nasty malignant labour party actually get some sort of sick and perverse pleasure out of watching the wretched and pathetic benefits classes infantalised and trapped dependent entirely upon the effort of others. they love seeing the poor rot in hovels and then they use them as poster children for stopping the “savage cuts”

          Labour are just as much of a nasty party as the tories.

    • 15
      George Orwell says:

      I did try to warn you that this is what the Fabians were planning, but you didn’t listen. Maybe I made it a little too obscure.

      For “underclass” read “proles”

      • 25
        MiniLuv says:

        The proles need to be watched if they ever have an inkling of their power then the elite are f_cked. Better to pacify them with handouts so they can be kept inert and docile. Much easier to control than having to spend your money on riot police and troops on the streets. And let’s not kid ourselves there will never be the kind of jobs needed to raise the ‘working poor’ out of state benefits. Just give them an Obama phone and they’ll be happy.

    • 81
      Fred says:

      Socialism is a worse prospect now than any other time in history.

      I am glad that Gordon Brown “retired” before the iphone got truely established otherwise we would all be a slave to the Labour app that would control our movements, what we view, whate we buy, what we eat, what we write about the government

    • 90
      Psyche the Dog says:

      By Jove, these benefit claimants have forgotten that Ian Doughnut Smith is state trained killer.

    • 116
    • 117
      rollo57 says:

      The Tories and IDS would have us all working for peanuts, subsidised by benefits, this is just another form of slavery, as no-one has any choice, to who they work for or what they do? I know tradesmen, who work filling shelves because there’s no work? What little they do find pays similar to shelf stacking!
      The Tory way is just another way of transferring taxpayers money to private pockets! Just like this scheme; http://rollo57.wordpress.com/2013/12/28/the-big-society-explained/

  2. 2
    Billy No Kids says:

    Never mind “can they afford a large family?” The planet can’t afford large families. We urgently need to get the population of Britain and the rest of the planet down to a sensible level.

  3. 3
    Oy Vey says:

    Now Daily Express photographer ‘hospitalised’ after alleged attack by Mike Hancock’s son http://read.ps/1eg93AV

  4. 4
    The British Public says:

    Labour are not ignoring the question. They simply calculate that benefits equal votes – and bugger the public good.

    • 22
      George Orwell says:

      You might think that but in fact the Fabians had already worked out what to do with the underclass by 1945.

      They had initially considered castrating them, then taking their kids off them, but eventually they settled on just putting them on bennies and ignoring them.

      I knew all about this, which is why I put the “proles” in “1984″. Unfortunately the schools were already infected by Fabians so they rebranded “1984″ as a treatise denouncing Stalinism when “English Socialism” actually referred to export-strength Fabianism.

      • 72
        (Rarely) Dangerous Brian says:

        I actually believed that all right thinking individuals understood the above.
        Obviously not, we are become the model communist society.
        Those in power trough continually at the taxpayers expense whilst passing laws and introducing the things that satisfy the “prole” meanwhile ensuring the working majority remain comfortably numb.
        Animal Farm is worth a re-visit and a paraphrase of Ken Kesey’s quote from The Electric Cool Aid Acid Test never seemed more aposite.
        “If a lie is big enough no one will disbelieve it”
        If only we had the nouse, collectively, to leave the EU State, kick out the bent idle and greedy politicians and create a place to live that respects the people, punishes the wicked, supports the truly needy and rewards the “working class”.
        I live in hope rather than expectation.

  5. 5
    i drum says:

    mot a dee fuck.

  6. 6
    T S Elliot says:

    Half of the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important.

    They don’t mean to do harm. But the harm does not interest them.

    • 12
      FrankFisher says:

      The other half is done by people who want to show they are compassionate, and fail to think through the implications of their actions.

      What the world needs is more selfish people who don’t give a crap what anyone thinks of them.

      • 20
        JH3493849032323 says:

        Either set don’t really give a damn about the people they loudly claim to want to help.

        They just want to feel well of themselves, usually by being ‘generous’ with money that does not belong to them and expecting plaudits in return.

      • 30
        George Orwell says:

        There are no compassionate people in politics. The personality type required to do well in party politics would exclude the genuinely compassionate.

        British politics is full of alpha male and alpha female types that consider themselves superior to all of us, above the laws created by their “inferior” predecessors. They consider others as weak, and as tools to be used for their own ambitions. They have no ideology other than the ideology of their own personal advancement.

        People like Rennard and Hancock are Class 1 exhibits. They abuse women because they detect those that are weak, that can be exploited and will be unlikely to fight back. They have the same attitudes to the people that vote for them.

        • 96
          Psyche the Dog says:

          Now though, there are others that control them, giving them money by the barrow load with the obvious implaction that hat favours will be delivered, nobody gives money to an organisation in large amounts if they do not want favours delivered. Look who were large donors to the parties over the last 50 years, just follow the money.

        • 101
          Anonymong says:

          If someone climbs the slippery pole to become President they should under no circumstances be allowed the responsibility of that office.

      • 32
        M­a­­q­bo­­ul says:

        Yes, it is remarkably easy to be generous with other people’s money.

    • 24
      An evil accountant says:

      The other half of the harm is doen by people who want to do harm – for their own financial gain – and are better at maths than the rest of you.

  7. 7
    Labour Fucktards says:

    Labour have no answers because they have no fucking idea….. about anything.

    • 31
      Only Chavs shop at Tesco says:

      Not quite true. They have an idea about the evergreen money tree, but the roots now grow in sandy soil with fewer nutrients.

      • 99
        Psyche the Dog says:

        I have just had an absolutely spiffing idea what, what. All those claimants who subscribe to Sky should have their benfits reduced in much the same way that benefits are reduced when they have too many bedrooms, I will hand it over to IDS and see what happens. Chavs buy the Sun we could put VAT on that paper title, not much but every little helps in these straightened times.

    • 102
      Lord Pressgutt says:

      Bring me more pies. And gravy. Oh yes, lots of gravy.

      My lordy lardy gizzard is in need of lubrication.

  8. 10
    Anonymous says:

    No government will take really tough action on benefits, as the result in some areas would be riots in the streets.

    • 13
      FrankFisher says:

      benefits steet would be ideal for rioting, as there’d always be a pavement sofa or mattress around if you fancied a break from the action.

    • 104
      Psyche the Dog says:

      In areas of high employment like Londonistan only the badly incapacitated should be on benefits, JSA what ever, in areas where there is high endemic unemployment the rules should be less stringent. You might say there are high pockets of unemployment in Londonistan, but they can always travel to the next borough walk or push bike it.

  9. 11
    Labour spokesperson says:

    We cant antagonise our core support!

  10. 14
    Tory Squire says:

    Cameron should abandon the Coalition now and call an Early GE,I hope he is not backsliding on Syrian refugees,Syria is an Islamic civil war fuck all to do with us!

    • 28
      Bill Quango MP says:

      Agree it’s not to do with us. Except we take bus loads of refugees from other shitholes every day. If we have to take some more, ok. Dave is right we should leave them where they are, but a moral case has merit too.

      They are in desperate straits. In a war zone. With shortages and death and disease all around. They need a lot more help than the Indian space program.

      So we deduct the cost of the Syrians from our “ring fenced” foreign aid budget.

      • 36
        Bemused says:

        No control = no responsibility

        If they want us to take responsibility then we must also have control.

        They didn’t want us to have an empire – they wanted to be independent. Now they want us to shoot up the place and take refugees for what in return? Nothing.

        There are far too many that say “you had no control over this situation but YOU are responsible!”. This is the Guardian/BBC thinking. I reject it totally. We are not responsible. If we took full control in Syria the Guardian and the BBC would be the first to complain. To hell with all of them and their crackpot morality.

        • 70
          Wake up & vote UKIP says:

          + many

          • Pick litter for bennies says:

            All BBC news outlets bigging up the idea of the UK taking in Syrian refugees(anything but talk about the good economy news).One woman wants 10000 people to open up their spare rooms for a Syrian family.After settling them in,a trip to the local benefits office would be next.Allegedly this would only be a temporary stay,yeah right!.£500 million aid is not enough for some people.

      • 107
        Psyche the Dog says:

        I nominated The Fawkeses to lead a delgation led by the Fawkeses and backed up by all the Tory MPs ( making sure the little darlings cannot
        hide ) and demand a meeting a meeting with Dithering Dave and demanding that the Cons break with the LibDems. Come on Fawkes, put yourself in the highlight instead of shouting then hiding behind a rock, make the Master be proud of you, you would be well rewarded by the Master. Can’t you just see yourself riding a white chargers at the head of your Tory dissenters!

  11. 17
    Rachel Reeves says:

    Honk honk honk .. Blah blah.. Poorest in society .. Honk honk…zzzzzzzzzzzzazzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

  12. 19
    Andrew Efiong says:

    Labour have been flushed out, happy to take our money and give it away to people to spend on plasma TVs and cigarettes.

    Now they’re fighting a desperate rearguard action to distance themselves from the poverty, misery and waste they encouraged.

    • 26
      C.O.Jones says:

      The welfare state was meant for people in need, not a lifetime choice of sitting at home sponging off the back of others.

      To hell with long term spongers.

    • 37
      Bemused says:

      “Now they’re fighting a desperate rearguard action to distance themselves from the poverty, misery and waste they encouraged.”

      No, they simply want to be seen to be placating the floating voters that read the Daily Mail, same as always. They will go straight back to doing what they did before if they get re-elected, and the BBC will cover for them.

    • 51
      Harm done says:

      The plasma TVs are imports and the cigs are mainly smuggled.

  13. 21
    The Diary of Owen Jones aged 13 1/2 says:

    This Benefits Street show is ruining my weepy, demonised by the landowner Schlick.

    I am going to bed until the series is over.

    And Knock before you come into my room! I’m very busy reading Marxist literature and doing important communist thinking under the bedcovers

    • 69
      Only Chavs shop at Tesco says:

      Please, please tell me where this obnoxious little twat came from. Why is he so prominent in the media? I saw him on the Brillo Programme – big black mark, Mr Neil – and he was repellent, bigoted and infuriating.

  14. 35
    The Portsmouth News says:

    The woman who claims she was sexually assaulted by Mike Hancock says the Liberal Democrats should ‘hang their heads in shame’ for not taking action against him sooner.

    http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/mike-hancock-s-alleged-victim-this-has-taken-far-too-long-1-5827361

  15. 39
    Jamine Beckett aged 3 and a half says:

    Benefit ST,Syrian refugees,Mike Hancock I have cried all night

  16. 40
    David Icke says:
  17. 41
    AnusButtocks says:

    welfare dependency, the deficit, failing schools…..

    what else do they want to the union puppets want to ignore?

  18. 43
    The Daily Mash says:
  19. 45
    Nick Clegg in Davos says:

    Im tired and emotional Im going to make love to the person I love most of all,Im having a ham shank!

  20. 46
    Raving Loon says:

    “We should measure welfare’s success by how many people leave welfare, not by how many are added.”

    Ronald Reagan

  21. 48
    Give IDS a baronet says:

  22. 49
    Hi Righties says:
    • 56
      Everyone's a critic says:

      Norman Mailer should know. He was an unproductive tosser.

    • 67
      Bemused says:

      We must allow the underclass to scrounge because the upper class scrounge!

      What an astonishing grasp of logic you had Norm.

      How about the working class and the middle class get together and deal with all of you scrounging fuckers?

      Vote UKIP.

    • 77
      Hi Lefties says:

      We don’t hate the unemployed so much as we hate those who want to keep them unemployed in order to gain their votes, and to have a rump of people to patronise and claim to be acting ‘for’.

      We also hate those whose mission is to create a vast public sector bureaucracy to service the above, which will also happen to vote for that party which keeps them best in clover.

      • 88
        NE Frontiersman says:

        +1. Waltham Forest is struggling to account for several millions that disappeared into the ‘Worknet’ programme, which commissioned private companies to train and otherwise equip the unemployed for work.
        The only jobs verifiably created were for the job creators.

        Is this actually new, though? JS Mill described the Empire as ‘a vast system of outdoor relief for the middle classes’, and there must have been a pretty large bureaucracy running the workhouses and prisons.
        Go further back, and a large percentage of the clergy would have justified their privileged role by reference to their charitable work.

        There’s always been money to be made by farming the poor.
        One of our Labour councillors rents out 150 houses . His son until recently chaired the Housing Committee.

    • 87
      Pick litter for bennies says:

      We are blaming the poor for STAYING on welfare.Welfare is a safety net,not a lifestyle choice.The rest is socialist crap.

  23. 50
    Benny Fitzcheet says:

    Got one of them 100″ curved tellys at the weekend. If I hadn’t bypassed the ‘lecky meter, me benefits would have only paid for a 55″. Disgraceful!

  24. 53
    Anonymous says:

    Those on long term to lifetime benefit dependency are not unemployed. The have the vital duty of once every four or five years voting for their benefits to continue.
    This, along with massive postal voting fraud, gerrymandered constituency boundaries and massive import of a new third world voter base, means a bunch of inadequate model class control freaks can again take over in 2015 to pursue a micromanaged socialist dystopia for you lot, and nice positions of power and self voted remuneration for them. Isn’t the Labour Party a wonderful invention?

  25. 54
    Fish says:

    Rachel Reeves Street?

    FFS Guido, don’t give em any ideas, her name will be popping up inb inner cities all over Britain.

    A Rachel Reeves shipping lane somewhere in the Thames Estuary, would though be another matter altogether.

  26. 57
    Wait - what! says:

    Classic BBC stitch up on the Daily Politics.
    Bring in a shouty guest with more histrionics than a premiership footballer combined with the BBC’s hatred of UKIP and you have a heady and biased mix.
    I really should know better than to watch.

    • 71
      VOTE UKIP says:

      Farage just took it in his stride. Anyone with half a brain can see what the BBC is doing…..anyone that can’t still votes Labour.

    • 73
      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      +1 That woman has got the biggest gob. I bet her employer just let’s her do what she wants, just to shut her up.

      • 78
        cheche says:

        Farage did well just to let her go on and on and make a fool of herself

      • 106
        Village Idiot says:

        …..yes,the lady,who ,in the past,i had a lot of respect for,blew it spectacularly!
        ……Shame really,as I used to listen to her knowledgable point of view,with admiration,sadly ,no more…A deliberate trap…..and it failed,desperate or what?

        …Keep it up Farage,you are flushing out the EU troughers,who must be in the pay of the EU,or relatives are!

    • 121
      Jack Ketch says:

      They also featured a Labour party twister who joined in to try and twist Farage’s comments on Syrian refugees; when he said that Syrian Christians would be persecuted in neighbouring middle-eastern countries and should perhaps be given some preference if any refugees were considered for asylum, the twister attempted to lay charges of “sectarianism”.
      But here’s an idea–the Labourists have suggested taking in 500 refugees. Now there are 258 Labour MPs and we all know that they have at least two homes each, why not just allow them to take in two Syrians each, just temporarily, until there is lasting peace in the Middle East.

  27. 60
    'ello 'ello says:
  28. 62
    Ah! Min says:

    BBC has an atomic clock in the basement, but surprise,surprise the pips are a minute late.

  29. 66
    Opps, wrong Reeves says:
  30. 74
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Rachael Reeves – No gear and no idea.

  31. 75
    JM says:

    Am I blind, but I can find no reference to Duncan Smith’s speech on the BBC website.

  32. 82
    Anon. says:
    • 89
      Will says:

      I bet jasmine does not live within a mile of people like this I bet she is public school or ex grammer educated in a nice part of the country.

      • 95
        (Rarely) Dangerous Brian says:

        Back again Jasmin and still as vacuous and dim as before, please give it a rest, get a job, learn some real life lessons and pop back in 25 years or so, maybe someone besides Owen Jones and Ed Milliband will take some notice.

  33. 85
    Clegg, where are you? says:
  34. 86
    Window Taxidermy says:

    OK so lets cut the crap – yes there are long term benefit claimants who have never worked, whose parents never worked and whose children born on benefits are likely not to work. Labour did nothing to help this de-skilled group which as others on here have pointed out really bloomed under Thatcher. This group is very unlikely to vote so no party gains either way from them. BUT for all the press coverage they get the long term benefit group is very small – most people have too much dignity to want to sign on all their lives. Unemployment benefit/JSA is a very small part of the welfare budget. In work benefits are much much greater – this financially is the area that needs tackling and this means that the rest of us stop subsidising the wages and profits of firms who pay minimum wage and let the rest of us pick up teh tab for tax credits, housing benefit and the rest. This is the real scandal not benefit street.

    • 93
      Will says:

      neither did the labour party under the boom years try to reskill these people so many are unemployable, whilst the tories failed these people tony blairs government did nothing to help them retrain or get employment. It also did not go on a massive house building programme either. Labour could have spent the boom years on reskilling people for jobs.

      So over the last 30 years both parties have failed these people not just the tory government.

  35. 92
    Jimmy says:

    “Should they move in order to take up a better-paid job? Can they risk a mortgage to get a bigger home? ”

    Or marry an heiress and never have to work again?

  36. 103
    Anon. says:
  37. 108
    A Maimed Badger says:

    As is ever, one can not put things right unless one accepts they were wrong in the first place…Conclusion… Labour will do nothing to repair Failed Policies

  38. 114
    Labour voting thicko. says:

    Labour do not want people to have aspirations. They prefer them to be co-dependent and subordinate so that Labour can run their lifes for them. Individual responsibility is the enemy to the collective mindset of a One Dumb Nation. Labour cannot thrive unless we are all needy & helpless. They are scum.

  39. 115
    Mark Carney says:

    If you cut the benefits budget by 50% then within 12 months unemployment will be reduced to 4.25% and Bank Rate will be 4.5%.


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Rashida Manjoo is a part-time professor of law at Cape Town University in the totally non-sexist country of South Africa (otherwise known as Rape Capital Of The World).

Mrs Magoo has been wandering around with her notebook and is appalled by the sexist “boys’ club” culture here, apparently.

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