January 17th, 2014

Guy News : Tim Yeo Special Report


  1. 1
    Podiceps says:

    Time Yeo will be over soon, I hope.


    • 10
      Gordon Brown says:

      I will be driving my steam motorcycle around Bellend Castlle on Sunday afternoon


      • 204
        briderick crawford i says:

        you ARE a bell end Gordon .


        • 211
          broderick crawford says:

          Miliband pledges After Eights for every middle class family

          ED Miliband has pledged to rebuild middle class confidence with free After Eight mints.

          Miliband said “It’s about reviving the taste of elegant prosperity as enjoyed in the 1980s.

          “For too long, the middle classes have been scared to dream. Let’s return them to a time when there was no cap on their aspirations, as long as they didn’t want anything more glamorous than a weekly dinner at a Berni Inn.”

          The Labour leader believes that a family of four should be entitled to a weekly voucher allowing them to a free 300g After Eights box, with pensioners allowed as many free mints as they can carry.

          Teacher Eleanor Shaw said: “I’m not bothered about this return to old-fashioned values, but I hope this means a return to old-fashioned After Eights.

          “I’m sure they used to be the length and breadth of a doorstop.”


    • 12
      Bill Quango Mp8 says:

      I thought the headline said subscribe to the Guardian.
      What with Miliband saying he is love with the middle classes and Osborne saying he loves the minimum wage I thought… Well…anything is possible in today’s bizarro world.


      • 19
        Psyche the Dog says:

        It’s now quite easy to understand Bill what is happening 4 months to the EU election so one side one thing and the other side say the opposite, to show they are different, eg if Miliband said the earth was a large globe, Cameron would say it is totally flat. Unfortunately there will be a lot more of this silliness as the election draws near, it will just the voters switch off, they have heard it all before.


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          those who are special know who they are. says:

          those who are persons of interest are special. they will never appear on a list. like the g.host they have a special place in the head, they are not real. they are just a feeling called “special”. They sit on the top table and protect us from the sun. make room for the table.


      • 83
        Taxpayer says:

        Minimum wage 7 quid per hour
        40 hours per week
        52 weeks a year
        = about 14K
        WAY Above the tax free level.


        • 96
          FFS says:

          Personal allowance £10,000

          Basic rate tax: 20%

          So the tax you will pay on £14,000pa will be £800pa


          • Taxpayer says:

            Not that the compulsory unemployment productivity (AKA min-wage) will increase wages over the whole economy, or even for the low paid.

            It’s an increased incentive to automate and employ less.


          • Taxed Too Much Already says:

            From that will come council tax, VAT etc. (20%) and all those little fees the government, and don’t forget also local government, likes to charge people for things so they can comply with their laws.


          • Maq­­boul says:

            Don’t forget capital gains tax – not all of them can afford tax lawyers.


          • Psyche the Dog says:

            ?Taxpayer¿, British industry of all types has been relutant to go for automation as the Yanks did, they thought automation was heavy capital outlay, they employed labour to do a lot of the jobs that could have been automated, especially those dangerous jobs that had to be done, heat fumes etc, no one in their right mind wants to do those jobs unless the pay is very high (sometimes wasn’t even that. Automation is great until there is a blockage somewhere on the line, or an actuator diaphram busts on a valve, then work has to stop until repaired, industry does not usually like running duplicate control systems should one breakdown


          • cbi says:

            Ignorant simplistic bollocks from the Dog. Have you left school yet?


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  2. 2

    Police now think the missing child in Jockland is possibly missing because of a criminal act

    Oh and he hasn’t been seen at nursery since Christmas as he “had a cold”



    • 3
      BBC News says:

      All of that is irrelevant.

      We have spent all day reporting on how the community has pulled together to go out looking for the child despite the fact the he is the child of immigrants.

      You see multikulti really works.

      We couldn’t really give a fuck about the kid. It’s just another propaganda opportunity.


      • 22
        Psyche the Dog says:

        If it was your dustbin lid you would be pulling all stops out to find it and you would expect everyone to rally round


        • 51
          Bilda Berger says:

          I haven’t got a dustbin. Three wheelie bins, but no dustbin. Besides, the men who empty them so elegantly are not termed “dustmen” any more, or even “dustpersons”. They’re called something else. Recycling operatives, or the waste disposal “team” or somesuch shite. The council will know.

          Anyhow, time to update the rhyming slang.


  3. 4
    Private citizen says:

    So O’bama is reining in the criminal and lying NSA

    But silence from Poodle Cameron

    Noone in the UK seems to give a fuck about privacy

    Since Murdoch and other redtops did the same thing for years

    I suppose it is acceptable

    But will GCHQ continue business as usual going Uncle Sam’s criminal work a la Stasi?


    • 6
      Maggie the dog says:

      Is their something you need to get off your chest ?


    • 21
      jgm2 says:

      ‘So O’bama is reining in the criminal and lying NSA’

      Of course he is. Just like he’s been shutting down Guantanamo for the last six years.

      Incidentally, I have this bridge I think you might be interested in.


      • 27
        Psyche the Dog says:

        Not Tower Bridge is it?


        • 30
          jgm2 says:

          Only preferred bidders will be notified of the actual bridge. You sound like you might be the right sort of bidder. Please forward copies of your bona fides and bank details and £100,000 to show seriousness of intent to my solicitor at Crook, Scoundrel and Thief LLP, Inns of Court, London.


    • 23
      carlo gambino says:

      I’m in the UK and I don’t give a flying f*** about privacy.

      The knob who puts his whole dull lumpen life on Facebook and twitter is the same know who goes into full howl because he thinks an NSA dark satellite is taking photographs of his notes to the milk-man.

      Breaking news – unless you’re a jihadist or master criminal the State doesn’t give a toss about anything you say, write or do.

      You’re just not of interest. Hard for you to imagine, I know, but true.



      • 28
        cep says:

        Gotta agree…..nicely put.


      • 35
        Private citizen says:

        Typical visceral abd superficial reaction

        And what about personal financial and business secrets

        Intelllectual property?

        All irrelvant to your little mind?

        PS Do you work for the criminal Murdoch?


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          broderick crawford says:

          No …. It woukd be beneath Carlo to work for any one other than his own …….. Family .

          And to answer your next question : there is no such entity as the Mafia …KAPISH !!!


      • 53
        FFS says:

        To be honest it would be nice if I did get a bit of attention from the state. I feel like they have been totally ignoring me for years.


        • 81
          stun says:

          So that when you get raided, you get to say ‘And another thing…’


          • FFS says:

            Exactly. Poor bastards. They’ll come round to my place looking for drugs and illicit porn and get a three hour lecture on exactly what I think of the state.

            Perhaps that’s why they never come knocking:

            “Leave it out, he’s not worth it”


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        Taxpayer says:

        >Breaking news – unless you’re a jihadist or master criminal the State doesn’t give a toss about anything you say, write or do.

        If that were true, we wouldn’t worry. Unfortunately it’s not true.


        • 133
          carlo gambino says:

          GCHQ Cheltenham 17.59 17/1/2013

          Spook 1. Right time to knock off. Jesus how many emails was it today?

          Spook 2. 151 million and 90 million texts. Yep time to go. Oh wait here’s an email from Taxpayer to his mum. I’ll just read this first.


          • Taxpayer says:

            Actually no. I’m on a “list”. I can’t use the automated Passport machines.


          • Homer's Great Aunt says:

            It is rumoured that if you wrap your passport in aluminium foil the little chip thingy embedded in the back cover does not work. So once you get through outward controls you can disappear for good.


          • non taxable pikey says:

            Homer that does work, as do the woven stainless steel wallets that are now available on ebay. Stops people scanning your credit cards etc. Remember to remove your mobile phone battery too.


          • carlo gambino says:

            Taxpayer ‘on the list’ and therefore ‘important’.

            Or more likely, far more likely, Taxpayer a serial fantasist who once carried an SWP placard with ‘no ifs no buts no education cuts on it’ and feels that now THEY are after him.


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      One of Alan's five a Day. says:

      Err No. Not ‘business as usual’

      This will require a real boosting of effort and resources. As always we’ll be expected to cover for the ‘Politically Handicapped’ Yanks.

      But don’t worry chaps and chapesses. With the Canadians Aussies and New Zealanders, plus other members of the Commonwealth the Dutch ext, the Job’s covered.


  4. 5
    Lord Rennhard-on says:

    I can touch women wherever I want and when ever I want, with complete impunity.

    Bend over bitch!


  5. 7
    Genghiz the kahn says:

    Steve I nearly wipped out Grangemouth and fucked up Deans has a new job with Unite.



  6. 8
    Leonid Kharitonov & The Red Army Choir says:

    yeo heave ho, yeo heave ho.


  7. 9
    Lord randy says:

    I unreservedly do not apologise in case it might prejudice a future civil action against me!


    • 15
      Lord Rearguard says:

      Quite do. Mans been sort of acquitted so he can’t now say he Ever did anything wrong, can he?


  8. 16
    Gordon Brown says:

    That twit Miliband is destroying all those banks that I saved.


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      Young gay man warns old bank man says:


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        jgm2 says:

        Come on Carney. Here’s your chance. Tell Chukka/Labour to keep out of big economic affairs and you’ll keep out of ‘big political affairs’.


    • 41
      Adam Smith and banks says:

      Before you window lickers gonhysterical

      Have a little think

      5 year after RBS and Llyds are still dogs

      Competition is very weak in the UK oligopoly

      Adam Smith himself belived in tough regulation, usury laws and competition in banking

      It is high time his followers advocated some real solutions to the contijuing banking scandal

      PS Next major scandal – manipulation of currency and commodity markets by these gangsters


      • 49
        jgm2 says:

        For folk who can balance a budget and do without shit until they’ve gotthe money the UK banks are great. Free banking, cash machines all over the place. It’s when they were lending bazillions to any fuckwit who could fill out a pro-forma ‘business plan’ that it all went to shit.

        If the banks aren’t lending money to jackasses who have no realistic hope of paying it back then that’s a good thing albeit ten years too late.


      • 64
        Zerohedge says:

        German Gold Manipulation Blowback Escalates: Deutsche Bank Exits Gold Price Fixing



        • 71
          Historian says:

          The Fed refusing to return the German gold is very worrying

          I thought it was a conspiracy theory that the Fed had sold it

          But it seems to be true

          The USA has become a rogue nation


      • 89
        Taxpayer says:

        More importantly Adam Smith also supported a tax on the unimproved value of and which would put a massive dampener on the harm that it land-speculation (and it’s resultant rent-seeking).

        Of course, if governments lowered debt levels then the real mess that taxation makes of the economy would be apparent…


  9. 18
    altruism in industry says:

    I want all animated gifs dead.


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    I used to love the black and white minstrels says:


  11. 45
    Alfred Shall Return says:

    St Alfred the Great has been found.

    1) Interment at Westminster or Windsor
    2) Start a E-petition to clone him


  12. 48
    Dirty Harriet says:

    I know what you’re thinking. Did she fire 6 shots or only 5. Well in all this excitement I kinda forgot myself.



  13. 52
    Cassandra says:

    Not that you will be told unless I do so but – all Roma and other Slavic crime is being recorded as committed by whites and in the white crime statistics, another urine poor attempt to skew the figures and pretend all the multi culti shite is working, Quelle surprise.


    • 62
      Stick this up your @rse NSA says:

      Same sort of shenanigans is routinely carried out in the states.

      Mexicans count as white when committing crimes, non-white when the victims of crime.


  14. 55

    Today is the seventeenth of January 2014.

    It is quite a notable day:

    * 395 – Emperor Theodosius I died
    * 1377 – The Papacy moved back to Rome from Avignon
    * 1648 – England’s Long Parliament passed “Vote of No Addresses”
    * 1852 – The United Kingdom recognised Transvaal independence
    * 1944 – World War II: Allied forces assaulted Monte Cassino
    * 1991 – Gulf War: Operation Desert Storm began
    * 1998 – Matt Drudge broke Monica Lewinsky story
    * 2014 – Alan Rusbridger mentioned Guido Fawkes in despatches

    No animals were harmed in the making of this report.


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      Blowing Whistles says:

      I have today copied and read the ‘opinion’ you posted up last night in our discussion.

      The piece you referred to is but an ‘opinion’ laced with lots of mantra words, lots of irrelevant side issues and examples. The piece is biased and written from a clearly biased postition. It has been deliberately written for heavy duty and highly ‘emotive purposes’. It is couched in rhetoric with more than enough repetition of several ‘trigger words’.

      Thanks for leading me to it SC – I am grateful for the copy of it.


      • 101
        Blowing Cocks says:

        Fuck off twat


        • 109
          Blowing Whistles says:

          Your ‘timely’ “REACTION” (Within 3 minutes – wow that was fast) has been noted and observed by many on here. I rest my case about the Reactionary knee jerk mob.


      • 107

        mantra words?
        trigger words?
        irrelevant side issues?
        written from a clearly biased position?*
        highly emotive purposes?

        Sounds like one of your posts, I have to say. In fact it sounds like nearly all of them.

        * Here, you already said The piece is biased for heaven’s sake. Repetition.


        However, you at least read it for which I genuinely give you some credit. I certainly did not expect you to do so.

        But there is a difference between style and content. You seem to absorb and take note only of style, which frankly is superficial. In becoming so struck with that, you seem to miss the important part, the content.

        The western tradition of reason is the only rational basis of discourse which avoids the mystical. It has given us civil debate, ability to determine facts and argument free of fallacy. Logical reasoning which produces conclusions, rather than force, abusive language or other sophistry.

        That is the only way on which I am prepared to engage with you. If you start calling me an old man, tell me to grow some or similar, it has absolutely nothing to do with the argument (whether true or not) and switches me off. If I see that coming from you in future, I will then respond in kind and walk away. I have better things to do with my time.

        But if you want to engage in rational discourse, I am always happy to oblige. The mere fact that one agrees or not should have no bearing. Both sides have the opportunity to learn from it.

        Your call!


      • 119

        For the benefit of anyone else who may be interested, I posted up a link to normblog, the blog of the late Norman Geras.

        Norman was on the editorial board of New Left Review and on the editorial board of Socialist Register. It will be immediately apparent to many that his political instincts were diametrically opposed to mine.

        I picked his work quite deliberately because it shows that, even between those of vastly differing political views, opinions can be presented with honesty and a common basis of civilised behaviour towards each other.

        His personal decency shines through this piece. But he does not avoid the essential argument. Differences matter morally. Protestations of innocence are not always genuine, Perpetrators of barbarism are human beings, not monsters (as often portrayed in the media).

        If he is not right here, then I am not sure what is.



    • 86
      kmc says:

      It’s also Michelle Obama’s 50th birthday – wife of first non-black black American president.

      Also, Popeye the Sailor first appeared this day in 1929.


    • 129
      BarbeQ time. says:

      were the animals in a fit state to protest.


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    GOSBANK says:


    • 66
      jgm2 says:

      Taxpayers reps – appointed by Labour.

      Support small businesses – Businesses owned by Labour party members, their friends and their family.

      This has always been the danger of having the banks in govt hands. Osborne should get shot of them asap which is possibly why Miliband wilfully sabotaged their value today.

      They want to do to Lloyds and RBS what they did for the Co-Op bank.


    • 68
      Pick litter for bennies says:

      Thay will be the small businesses that the Kircaldy fool screwed for every penny/.


    • 70
      Common Sense says:

      Cable was talking about this some time back – copying the G’erman model.

      Might be a good idea, but it is not Owen Jones’ idea – in fact – Owen can fuck off.


      • 75
        Grammar says:



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          stun says:

          There may be a generational difference here. I was taught that there was no such thing as a “s’s”, so it was always replaced by a single apostrophe. It’s possible that a) I was taught incorrectly, though it was a minor public school, or b) they changed the rules just for giggles.


          • I think this is right says:

            When the noun is plural as in banks, then banks’ is the possessive. When it is singular as in Jones, then Jones’s is the possessive.


          • altruism in industry says:

            I think if the noun is a plural then it is ” s’ ” but if the thing is a single thing that just happens to end in s then it is ” s’s ” but I can’t come up with an example.


          • I think this is right says:



          • Grocer says:

            Apple’s and Pear’s


          • Podiceps says:

            Standard British usage for possessives

            Ordinary singular nouns and British or American names ending in -s: apostrophe plus s.
            The goddess’s shield, Charles’s toes, St James’s Park.

            Foreign names ending in -s: apostrophe only, at end.
            For Jesus’ sake, Achilles’ spear, Charles’ Law (surname of French scientist).

            Plurals ending in -s: apostrophe at end.
            The cows’ tails, the Germans’ charm.

            Plurals not ending in -s: apostrophe plus s.
            The children’s room, the gentlemen’s club.

            Non-possessive plurals in -s used before other nouns: generally no apostrophe.
            The biscuits bill, the explosives cupboard.
            A general rule for this is: if you reverse the words, and if the preposition is ‘of’, there’s an apostrophe. If it isn’t ‘of’, no apostrophe.
            His three years’ absence > his absence OF three years: apostrophe.
            The biscuits bill > the bill FOR biscuits: no apostrophe.

            American usage

            Ordinary singular nouns and American or British names ending in -s: apostrophe only, at end.
            The goddess’ shield, Charles’ toes, St James’ Park.

            Other rules the same as for British usage.

            I’m trying not to be a pedant, but I was a publisher’s editor for decades and these things rub off on you.


          • I think this is right says:

            Thank you Podiceps


          • What is wrong with being pedantic? As Bertrand Russell mischievously said, a pedant is one who prefers his statements to be correct.

            Did your view about commas change at all over the decades? There seems to have been a movement to eliminate many of them. The legal fraternity appear to detest them to the point of banishment.


          • Common Sense says:

            Thank you Podiceps.

            I think it is generational. The US convention seems much more natural, and can confirm that the rules on ‘ are were not taught during my time in the UK state system.

            In fact I recall being told off for using a s’s – in what according to the real rules am now learning was a correct place. The English teacher we had was from California – God only knows what the kids who will be taught by the enrichment will learn. ( innit )


      • 159
        Podiceps says:

        SC: the legal view on commas is that they admit ambiguity, and if a sentence doesn’t make sense without them (however bad it may sound) it may be ambiguous and thus not legally sound.

        Missing punctuation, in this case a full stop, started the Boer War. The British forces under Dr Jameson received a telegram from allies within the Transvaal republic which read as follows:


        The intended punctuation of this telegram was as follows:

        It is under these circumstances that we feel constrained to call upon you to come to our aid should a disturbance arise here. The circumstances are so extreme that we cannot but believe that you and the men under you will not fail to come to the rescue of people who are so situated.

        This version of the telegram implies that if there is a disturbance, the writers hope the British would come rescue them. In other words, they don’t need help yet but would like Jameson and his men to be on the alert just in case.

        However, this is the version of the telegram that was wired to The Times in London. This version implies that the writers are asking the British to come to their aid. This interpretation of the telegram was used by Jameson and his men as justification for the Jameson Raid.

        It is under these circumstances that we feel constrained to call upon you to come to our aid. Should a disturbance arise here the circumstances are so extreme that we cannot but believe that you and the men under you will not fail to come to the rescue of people who are so situated.


        • 167


          Object lesson in first para, I note.

          Very interesting Jameson Raid point, to extend the exercise.

          I heard this reasoning too from those at the Inns of Court back in the day. My suspicion was that the barristers were just avoiding a problem of bad education rather than curing it and I am still tempted towards that view.

          But in literature, commas are normally a means of guiding the reader towards a better understanding of how the passage sounds. It is in this field which I was interested. My teachers would have been educated in Edwardian times. Their adherence to meticulous spelling and punctuation was fascinating to me and, inevitably, I retained some of it. Yet in that last sentence I get the impression that both commas would disappear today whilst they would have been required in the 60s. Given the mаrket you were addressing, I wonder if that was your experience?

          In my speech, I still get strange looks for saying “None is coming” and have even been corrected on occasion! I don’t do it out of cussedness. It was what I was taught.


          • Podiceps says:

            Sorry not to have replied sooner. I am badly hooked on the snooker on iPlayer. I take it that the ‘last sentence’ you are referring to is your own: ‘Their adherence to meticulous spelling and punctuation was fascinating to me and, inevitably, I retained some of it.’

            I’d say that the comma-ing off of ‘inevitably’ has an old-fashioned flavour. As an editor I’d have kept it in the work of a writer who wrote in an old-fashioned style. For a more modern-sounding writer I’d have chosen ‘Their adherence to meticulous spelling and punctuation was fascinating to me, and inevitably I retained some of it.’ Both are perfectly correct — it’s just a question of how you want the author’s voice to sound, because punctuation creates a tone of voice as well as serving the purposes of syntax. However, I would not have accepted ‘Their adherence to meticulous spelling and punctuation was fascinating to me and inevitably I retained some of it’, which sound breathless, and would have added a comma before ‘and’.


          • Thank you. Your assumption was correct. That’s very interesting that editors would modify the punctuation in this area to the general style of the writer.

            I was always taught that there should not be a comma before and. Inevitably, one reaches a point where not to put one in would become problematic and subsidiary and nested clauses seem quite reasonable places to do this.

            Whilst I like consistency, the punctuation came after the language and therefore has to make sense for the reader.

            And so to bed.


          • Compare and contrast says:

            Podi said the Cat is daft.
            Podi, said the Cat, is daft

            Still, what’s a comma between friends, aye?


          • altruism in industry says:

            I was always also taught never a comma before “and” but looking at Podi’s example it makes good sense.


          • altruism in industry says:

            also always


    • 77
      Jack Dromey MP says:

      Owen’s gob is running wild again, she needs a cock in it.
      Preferably a big black one… don’t ask I know about these sort of things.


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      Mark Oaten says:



    • 93
      Taxpayer says:

      Business want cuts in tax, not loans based on how many black bereaved disabled lesbians we employ to look at wind totems.


      • 95
        Small Business says:

        True. I once talked to some guys from my councill. They kept saying they wanted to help my business: grants for this, grants for that. But I don’t want a grant. I don’t need a subsidy.

        I just want work. Nothing fancy. I just want them to buy what my business offers to all my other customers.


    • 125
      a black african american mrs Simpson says:

      o won.
      oo won doubly.
      wen is now

      owen jones is oj.


  16. 76
    The British media are cunts says:

    All politicians and journalists are cuunts and liars.


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    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the Spring of hope, it was the Winter of despair.


  19. 100
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Why is Ed Balls being kept quiet?


  20. 110
    Ah! but says:

    Kirsty wins short skirt / thigh NN comp.


  21. 118
    David, call me Prime Minister if you like says:

    My Guidogram goes straight to Nick’s inbox, thank fuck.


  22. 123
    Bill Quango MP 9 says:

    Tim Yeo.

    Ye-O, Ye-eh-eh-O
    Election come and me wan’ stay on.
    Yay, me say yay me say yay, me say Yeo
    Me say Yay, me Say ..Come, Mister Timmy Man, tally me banana,
    Election come and me wanna stay on.


  23. 124
    Hahahahahahah says:

    Today labour thanks to re ed just lost the 2015 election. Labour are fucked


  24. 126
    Gordon Brown says:

    Tonight Matthew … I shall be Neil Diamond


  25. 131
    Fish says:

    WTF is going on, on Labour’s Newsnight tonight?

    First they have an interview with that wizened old anarchist, Noam Chomsky (and typical of the BBC, introduced as a professor – not a wizened old anarchist)

    Then Krusty Wank goes all huffy and prissy about something that Jeremy Clarkson hasn’t apparently said in his sleep.

    Isn’t it time to sink this tired old wreck…and Newsnight?


    • 134
      Bill Quango MP 8 says:

      You still watch Newsnight, Fish?

      Most of us gave up on it years ago.
      And the Today program went off the clock radio about a decade ago.
      Much happier in the morning without it.


  26. 142

    Let us pick the easy parts first.

    Second paragraph: Any genocide is unacceptable. I know of no satisfactory calculus which can justify 10 million killed is better than say 11 million killed. Both, or any other figure, are too awful to contemplate. I have stated this here more times than I can remember and cannot imagine anyone who is of sound mind disagreeing.

    I agree with your third paragraph to a greater extent, but not fully. I regard some politicians as being very honourable. Difficult here to play the percentage game but I would put the later figure some way below 50%. What one has to recognise is that the system is set up in such a way that they cannot influence the situation very much. The exceptions are the ones who manage to fall outside the normal patronage line.

    You seem to have a double negative in your fourth paragraph (unless I have misunderstood you in some way) but the substantive point here is that I have read all that stuff, some time ago. It might have been what you posted which I first saw or I may have already seen it when you first started to come here.

    Now, neither of us were there at that time so we can argue over their validity for ever but we have to rely on those people between those times and our first awareness of them. I have visited Auschwitz. Keeping this on a logical basis, you can say to me That was all fabricated for people like you and I cannot plead that it was in my memory so therefore I know it to be true. In entirely like manner I could use the same argument back at you and you would be in my position, unless you are incredibly old, which I don’t think you are.

    We can both go off and look for corroborative evidence but I must confine this, on grounds of space, to illustrate the problems we have in taking positions on this.

    Now to the first paragraph where I have a difficulty. Regarding, Leon Uris, I read his Trinity some time ago. My view is that there a number of American based authors who look into other areas in the world, like Ireland in this case, and see an anti-colonialist picture. This is natural from a republican country but, however well they research the position (as Uris seemed to have done), they tend to obtain a one-sided view. I never saw QB VII. These are my personal views on Uris and I claim to speak for no one else. I certainly do not feel any affinity with him on the admittedly limited amount I know.

    Returning to your opening remarks, over the years, I have heard all sorts of variations to the figures. I have seen revisionism happen to every major event in history. It is like the internet, you have to decide yourself what to accept and what to doubt or dismiss. But I would say that my remarks regarding your para II are the case here. Only if you could show that no one died at all and the whole episode was a myth would there be a real problem. Some even argue that. I do not take them seriously myself. My opinion. I am entitled to it.


    • 153
      Fuck the LibLabCon says:

      Who on earth are you replying to SC?


      • 158

        @Fuck (them all):
        Fair question. BW had replied to my piece at 10:50 pm so I replied to him point by point, taking the easy ground first and then moving to the areas on which we would never probably agree. I wanted to demonstrate how one still may have a disagreement with someone in a civilised fashion, as I am sure I am not the only person here who gets fed up with abuse taking the place of reason.

        When I hit Return I found his comment had gone.


  27. 143
    1929crash says:

    An economist called Pryce
    Got blessed with genital lice
    She blamed it on Huhne
    Who was quite a buffoon
    And who said, ‘Shave it and it’ll look nice.’


  28. 147
    Chris Huhne says:

    My favourite crabs are fiddler crabs.


  29. 148
    Owen Jones,Guest Moderator says:

    Our generation is seriously fucked up.


  30. 157
    The Labour Party says:

    Shut the fuck up Carney what do you know about banking!


  31. 161
    Deep Cupboard says:

    *Note to self* Don’t forget to do Fantasy Football before I pass out.


  32. 163
    Joe says:

    They’ve found that poor 3 year old lad dead in Scotland.


    • 164
      Joe says:

      Found in Fife, one person arrested.


    • 165
      Daily Snooze. Only 85 pence says:

      Really? That’s a bummer. Still, life goes on…


    • 166
      Maddy was buggered to death and then ate cock says:

      Millions of children, all over the world, don’t have the luxury of reaching the grand old age of three. Why is this one so special?


      • 169
        E says:

        Sooo profound , an soo true .

        That the kinda thing I used to say , babe .

        E x x


      • 173
        David, call me Prime Minister if you like says:

        I <3 "heart" those sentiments, entirely.


      • 177
        Taxpayer says:

        Because Britain isn’t supposed to be a shithole like places where that sort of thing happens more often.


      • 198
        non taxable pikey says:

        When I was setting up an office in Vietnam their government gave me an interpreter (minder) who happened also to be school teacher.
        We sat at a cafe in Saigon one day as a group of young children passed by on the way to school. I shall always remember what he said. “I look at children I teach and wonder if one of them could be the next Einstein.”
        Every child is special.


        • 212
          Barrie says:

          That might be inspirational, or it might be self-aggrandizing bullshit.

          Once people know that everything is spinnable, everything is spun.


  33. 182
    albacore says:

    For decades our own Parliaments have done their best
    To degrade us down there with the worst of the rest
    In one more generation “Britain” will have got
    The British a minority. I kid you not


    • 183
      albacore says:

      That was a reply to Taxpayer’s post at 2.36
      But it’s hiding down here. Swipe me but ain’t that a pretty fix


  34. 203
    Mark Wouters says:

    Mr william Hague(THATCHERS PERSONAL SUPPOSITORY)or better Known as DEVIL BABY! is a Loser whos rabid anti socialist views ,are and have become worn ,perhaps his batteries need to be replaced with duds,perhaps hes a dud ,who f-ckin cares ,he just needs to be kept away from us ordianary Labour voters who are weary of rightwing vibrations from nerds like him,now that the Thatcher Bitch is dead perhaps he can go anddie aswel.


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