January 15th, 2014

Two Interesting Quotes From Nick Clegg

Nick Clegg used to take allegations of sexual impropriety very seriously indeed. Here he is in November 2012, making it very clear where he stands on ITV’s The Agenda:

“Serious questions need to be asked and if after we find out what’s happened, it’s clear that people have turned a blind eye or, worse still, connived with it, then of course they’re going to have to be held to account and – if that turns out to be the case – heads will need to roll of course.”

Here is is that same month, asking all the right questions on 5Live:

“I have been thinking about this a lot, because I cannot understand how this could have remained hidden for so long. There just must have been so many people who knew what was going on …and I just keep asking myself why, why did this remain buried for so long?” 

Now of course this was Clegg commenting on sex allegations against Jimmy Savile, rather than the entirely unconnected matter of Lord Rennard that blew up three months later. But interesting, nonetheless…


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  1. 1
    Tim says:

    Chris Hoo?

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    • 8
      Vince Cable says:

      I don’t remember anyone called Chris.

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      • 90
        Lib Lab Con says:

        Vote UKIP

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        • 91
          Grab Stich & Run says:

          Vote Lib Lab Con

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          • Toxic Labour for Spongers, Parasites, Immigrants, Criminals & other Wasters. says:

            What a surprise, the LimpDumbs are all perverts. They prove this time after time, year after year and scandal after scandal.

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          • Django.. A former member! says:

            Fatty Rennard isn’t the problem, his accusers are! Remember a man is completely innocent until a jury finds him guilty.

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          • Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

            Clegg is a lying t*rd. He doesn’t like talking about Handycock either

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          • White rabbit says:

            Django. Impossible to defend oneself against trial by Cathy Newman.
            Surely process should prevail otherwise we’ll allow disgruntled supporters
            of the case for the prosecution to bash in the jury room door etc.
            Just like behaviour of mob last week.

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          • Someone says:

            All very well in theory White Rabbit, but there are others who did not complain as they are too senior in their fields and they think it would be humiliating as well as career death to let it be known what was dangled in front of them over lunch

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          • Django...a former member! says:

            Because its dangled in front of you at lunch time it doesn’t mean you have to eat it… You can in fact send it back, stand up and walk out of the restaurant!

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      • 188
        Guru hatcha papers says:

        indians work.
        hindu’s are up their.
        sikhs cry.

        cry baby cy.
        mercedes are fine but commonly used as taxis.
        sopranos are about the tilt in the brotherhood of man.

        so either the sikh will recede into the past and become part of the past. or he will switch into robert de niro’s phil mitchell hair piece look., as a launch pad. that’s another fine banana skin that has emerged from the offices of wtf, i am your son tomthumb watson. outlook is gloomy for the past but bright for the present. time to clear that outlook box?

        menta has been very well managed so far.
        time for Bunta to emerge and create it’s own so.pra.what.now gang.
        the journey will be uneasy.

        we need a sikhism based soapopera.
        sikenders, a story about a broken coxonut man who could not decide whether he is a white or yellow inside. coco chanel or nuts and bolts. be both. too late though. the egg is now broken.

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    • 14
      The Super Soaraway Retard says:

      Lefty in hypocrisy shocker!

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    • 101
      Bill Quango MP/4 says:

      Chris Who-ne? Don’t mention that Lib Dem lying jailbird either

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  2. 2
    The Liberal Democrat Party says:

    We need to move on

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  3. 3
    Poor Nick got fingered today says:

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  4. 4
    Is there a Trustworthy LibDem? says:

    A good LibDem is as rare as rocking horse shit

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      ████ 'changed my tune ' Hoon says:

      That’s a tad harsh !

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      Blowing Whistles says:

      And what about the Times Hack Oakeshot her bolt?

      Nice piece exposing Charlie Brooks / the harddri.ve of yesterday – It reminded me of that two-faced fork-tongued bastard Conrad Black – being caught bang to rights removing files from his offices.

      At least he did do some ‘prison time’ in the US.

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  5. 5
    Ziggy says:

    Three monkeys come to mind!

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    Randy Marsh says:

    Of course Clegg was going to say that, he was trying to prove how much more offended than everyone else he was (lib-dem credentials. .?)

    Also Savile was a tory voter.

    I’ll wager that Clegg was secretly backing Rennard the whole time.

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  7. 7
    Auntie Duggan says:

    No justice! No pizza with a side of garlic bread, chicken dipper and a bottle of Coke, ya get me?!

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  8. 9
    Anonymous says:

    Libdem man speak with forked tongue.Where does this leave Tether?

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    • 18
      Clegg should go back to Holland says:

      Monging about outside the tent spitting in, and telling shit jokes at conference.

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  9. 11
    Anonymous says:

    Manifesto.Not another porkie Nick.

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  10. 12
    Embrace the enrichment says:

    I have a feeling Owen Jones won’t be tweeting his outrage over this, backpack wearing left wing protesters won’t be gathering outside court to chant their fury, Diane Abbott won’t be calling for a public inquiry, and the government won’t be inviting the families of the girls to help shape policy. For all of the above to happen, you have to be a gun toting scumbag gangster c-unt who got what he deserved.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-25679982

    Weep for the death of this country.

    Victims as young as 12 were subjected to “horrific ordeals,” police say as five are convicted of sex attacks in Peterborough

    Judge John Bevan QC said: “Because some of the defendants do not speak good enough English, despite having lived here a long time, three interpreters have worked full time during this case, at a cost of over £30,000.

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    • 23
      Anonymous says:

      That should be printed and posted to every Labour MP with a ‘thank you for the enrichment’ note.

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      • 31
        The Loony Left says:

        Celebrate the rich, multi-cultural diversity !

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        • 33
          Owen Jones, Mental Aged 13¾ says:

          Islamaphobic!

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        • 46
          The Labour Party, fucked-up since about 1970, says:

          Moving forwards, lessons will be learned about enhancing the rich cultural experience with which these communities embrace and contribute to our society.

          Anyone who disagrees with the broad and beneficial cultural values of these communities is simple a Western Capitalist Imperialist pig-dog, attempting to force their white Anglo-Saxon imperialist values on the rich diverse multicultural community.

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    • 72
      Blowing Whistles says:

      A Rumour – One suspects that BHH during the reign of terror ‘concealed’ plenty of dirt on many politicians across the political spectrum who were guilty of Kiddy Fiddling.

      The evidence would have largely found its way to the pigs – so what did they do with it to line their own criminal pockets … and perhaps how did they leverage favours etc … They do entrapment and blackmail as well you know.

      Who’s got the dirt on Blair and Mandlebum of the ‘New Labour Project’ … or could it be that they (prior to and during the reign of terror) obtained more than enough dirt on previous MP’s and Ministers and that Blair launched a plan to ‘keep them silent’ for their wrongdoings along with Labours wrongdoings and thus the LibLabConners – have been concealing their collective dirty deeds from the public?

      They used to be able to ‘bury everything prior to the net – now they better fucking wake up – because the rage is GROWING and will not be silenced.

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      • 123
        Not Blowing Whistles says:

        Anger is one thing.

        The growing body of credible evidence that could be suitable for a credible criminal prosecution is perhaps of much greater concern.

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          Blowing Whistles says:

          The inherent problem is the number of professional legal types throughout all of their ranks who are also guilty of Kiddy Fiddling.

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          • civil engineering plant says:

            Linky linky…?

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            To the CEPlant

            Do some reading you pratt. Haven’t you noticed how those in the elite van (across the political divisions) always get a legal to find some way out for them and their mates.

            e.g. Ken Livingscum – ‘not acting in an official capacity’ – oh fucking please who do you think owns Kenny boy?

            You sir are of the deluded rank and file – who ‘constantly’ talk up British Justice – while never having actually learnt how utterly corrupted the whole system is. They totally rely upon dim wits like you to keep them in clover. It’s so simple yet you just don’t have the ability to think outside the box of your ‘pre-conditioning’.

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          • civil engineering plant says:

            Oh dear…

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          • Hello cep!

            See what we have to put up with now? I don’t blame you for not frequenting these pages as often as you did a few years ago, nor for wearing the false beard and funny hat of a different moniker.

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    • 94
      Lord Stansted says:

      After weeping, vote UKIP. We have our own scum without having to import from the rest of the world.

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      • 354
        A Thought says:

        Cameron should emulate the Saudis and chuck the whole bloody unwanted lot out before the end of February. If they can do it, why can’t we? Just tell the lawyers, bleeding hearts and EU to take a powder.

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    Other than being a somewhat abhorrent position to take, surely this would complicate any possible negotiations between Labour and Lib Dems over possibly forming a coalition.

    That Cameron is remaining quiet on the matter speaks volumes.

    - Surely David Cameron cannot condone this position of his Deputy ?

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    • 21
      Calamity Clegg, Chief Cockroach says:

      You don’t understand the venality and duplicity of the Lieral (sic) Democrats, clearly !

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      nell says:

      The liberal democrats clearly have a problem with sex scandals whilst labour have a problem with financial scandals.

      They should get along just fine, each turning a blind eye to the others’ flaws.

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      • 161
        Tom Catesby. says:

        Things haven’t changed that much then,although in the ‘good old days’, it used to be said about political parties and scandals, that it was. Tories and women, Labour and money, Liberals and boys.

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      • 168
        Chris Rennard says:

        Look, can we go up to my room and talk about this in private.

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    • 51

      What a terrible thing to say, CO5!

      You can rest absolutely assured on this matter.

      If it came to the issue of those levers of power coming within striking reach of their sweaty fingers, they would slice and dice their grandmothers and place the product in jars of Branston Pickle for consumption by their own children.

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    • 176
      Marc de Nadiov says:

      It is unfair to judge Liberal Democrats by the standards of normal civil society. They have standards and values of their own, which we should be sensitive to, and do not know any better.

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    Tatty watch says:

    Where is Handycock?

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  13. 19
    Who Dunnit? says:

    No signature on the drawing. Very wise Rich.

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    Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation says:

    On BBC Radio 4 news at 5 pm the top story is about a 2-month sex exploitation case at the Old Bailey. It takes the BBC 10 minutes into the bulletin to actually name one of the sex offenders, presumably because he is an immigrant (Roma, apparently), swiftly followed by a BBC disclaimer that of course, people of all races are sex offenders. Unlike Sky and Channel 5, they decline to give us the names of any of the other convicted offenders, because they are of the same ethnic group.

    This isn’t the news. This is censorship by the state broadcaster.

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      The BBC are Self appointed Guardians.. says:

      It is. It is censorship. There are no laws which say they must report it this way, so it must be political censorship.

      About time a Liberty group took them to court.

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      • 42
        Randy Marsh says:

        I don’t think Shami Chakrabotty is gonna come running.

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        • 132
          Blair needs to go on trial says:

          IRA Ammunitions trial in Belfast today, and the BBC did everything in its power to keep from informing the public that Semtex explosive had been found, and used in bombs.
          This being the Semtex that was supposedly destroyed by the IRA when they decommissioned their weapons arsenal…..another Tony Blair lie.
          Meanwhile PSNI Constable Kerr lies in his grave, murdered in a Semtex bomb after all the Semtex was put beyond use.

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      • 158
        Blowing Whistles says:

        The BBC like most of the msm – hide behind – which of course they love – the legal fraternity and those who framed up media laws – it is a form of mutually guaranteed ‘concealing of the truth’.

        It is the highest of the legal fraternity – who are the most guilty – for ‘concocting numerous B/S’s of legalese’ to keep themselves and their co-conspirators from actually being nicked for their criminality. They mutually exist as evil and depravity personified.

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        • 355
          A Thought says:

          Nothing a quick visit from the vigilantes wouldn’t fix before supper time. Only need a few ‘examples’ before the whole house of cards came tumbling down.

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    • 352
      Jack Ketch says:

      NB the 6 O’clock TV news led with a story about BRITISH pervs grooming Asian girls in the Far East over the internet. Funny timing.

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    Incapable Vince, deputy Chief Cockroach says:

    Look at those Royal Mail shares !!! 614p, almost DOUBLE the price I set at the flotation. WOOP, WOOP !!

    (or do I mean, whooops, whooops ?? )

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    Ma­qbo­ul says:

    Socialist Workers Party call upon Nick Clegg to resign.

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    Owen Jones is a mong says:

    Surprised Owen has not blocked MP G’eorge F’reeman yet.

    He is trying to make the argument that since Thatcher’s liberal reforms direct share ownership has gone down to 10% now, compared to over 50% back in 1963, and over half the FTSE is now owned by foreign investors.

    He is missing some fundamental points:

    i) Most people now own shares indirectly – as eloquently pointed out by Freeman
    ii) Direct share ownership went up sharply under Thatcher as a result of the reforms of the 80s
    iii) Foreign ownership is high now because people have sold their shares to foreign buyers.

    The last point is most interesting. First, this is perfectly fine in a free market – there should be no restriction (within reason…) as to who you can sell to or who can buy.

    More importantly, could it perhaps be due to Labour mis-managment of the economy and failure to enforce regulation of the banks during the reign of terror which led to near 0% interest rates being paid on deposit accounts, and thanks to Labour’s inflation, caused real saving rates to go negative that perhaps spurred UK share holders to have to sell to foreigners ?

    Moreover, the dependency culture which Labour constructed certainly has helped to compromise UK individuals from being able to participate in this market, particularly if they have high mortgage costs to service and are living off of benefits.

    Owen likely believes that he has a case here.

    Owen has nothing.

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      Ma­qbo­ul says:

      Some good points here but you don’t usually choose who you sell your shares to. You can’t really specify that you would want only a Brit to buy them when you instruct your broker or even “no blacks”. Highest bidder.

      As for foreign investment in British companies… what the hell is wrong with that Owen old fruit?!!

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        Casual Observer 5 says:

        The only way that who you sell to could be restricted is through capital controls on who is allowed to buy. That is of course out of the hands of the seller.

        Another way is to collude with the buyer – a matter for anti-trust lawyers.

        My point on dependency though is that it is possible to exclude certain purchasers by depriving them of capital / incentive to participate in the market. That certainly was not Thatchers vision, but seems to have occurred under Labour.

        Owen is completely off the mark, and quite rabidly so this time. He is really not doing himself or his Twitter followers any favors.

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      NE Frontiersman says:

      ‘iii) Foreign ownership is high now because people have sold their shares to foreign buyers…’

      It’s more likely because many foreign firms are now listed in London, even when a majority of their shares are not available to be traded, but held by some oligarch whose name we don’t know. This was sold to us as visionary globalisation, and a world-wide vote of confidence in the city’s diligence procedures.
      So your pension fund may be obliged by the terms of its remit to hold parts of the loot of some central Asian warlord, who may play the market with his billion mining shares at his leisure.
      Who would buy a pension scheme on these terms?
      Who can have faith that their would-be prudent investment cannot be torpedoed on the day of sale by some hedge fund placing a leveraged bet against it?

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        Casual Observer 5 says:

        Poor phrasing on my part.

        Foreign investors have been at a distinct cash advantage compared to UK investors for many years now. It is a function of relatively cheaper cost of living abroad, and people overseas having more liquid cash on the hip.

        The re-allocation of petro-dollar money away from T-Bill purchases is one notable example. What Owen fails to point out and which you are quite right about is that the majority of foreign held stock is not held by individuals, but by overseas sovereign funds, corporations and pension funds.

        This is generally fine.

        Perhaps Owen is considering the forbidden and dangerous fruit of enforced nationalization as a policy idea…

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    Mark Duggan: The Early Years says:

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  19. 38
    George Nobsore says:

    Whatever happened to the Maria Miller expenses enquiry?

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    A Gang of Three and their members says:

    And no one will hold the LibDems to account as all the pressure groups which would normally de-louse these things are aligned to one political party or another, as are the media.

    We have a very unhealthy climate that coalitions create, where all three main political parties are living in symbiosis.

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  21. 41
    Lard Rennard says:

    I’m untouchable. Unlike a good number of female Lib Dem parliamentary candidates.

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  22. 45
    Nick Clegg says:

    I now have 236 different faces with many more to come.

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  23. 50
    Labour voting dogshite in Edinburgh shitty says:

    Pervs R Us!

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  24. 52
    Sir Wiliam Waydei says:

    Isn’t rennard something that goes into cheese?

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  25. 57
    Brown's crappy tricks. says:

    If he pretends he is gay, he can carry on pervin’.

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    Objective Productions protects creepy abusive media star. says:

    Scum!

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  27. 62

    A red letter day today!

    An extra caption contest and an extra Rich cartoon – both at no increase in admission cost.

    Truly, my cup floweth over.

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  28. 66
    Advanced maths says:

    Simple equation:

    Wanker gangster

    handgun

    armed police

    =

    one less scumbag on the street

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    The British media are cunts says:

    Jesus, the one eyed twat from Fife has just been on the BBC trying to spend even more of our taxes. This time he’s fucking up Syria.

    So if Gordy Broon thinks education is so important why did he and that other jock shit Bliar fuck up the English education system over 13 years, you know those bog standard comps that no Labour politician could ever be bothered to use for their own kids?

    What really pissed me off was the way old twat boy Gavin Essler was sucking Brown’s penis as he did the interview, not one snide comment or dig (unlike when he’s got an evil Tory on).

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    • 76
      Podiceps says:

      Education is important to Labour. What is important to them is to control the educational system so that it brainwashes pupils into Labour-voting dumbclucks, and they have been fairly successful at this, mostly by subverting teacher training.

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      • 88

        I wonder if this rebounds upon them? Kids tend to rebel at school at some point and what it stands for.

        If you are not convinced of left wing values, as I never was, any attempt to promote them may actually be counter-productive.

        BTW Your useful list is now scanned into a Word doc and placed in my reference collection! Many thanks.

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          A banned bird says:

          Hm, my reply to that did go down the drain. Either the modbot is not working properly or WordPress isn’t.

          I don’t think that the constant drizzle of left-wing propaganda in schools turns students into rebels — politically, at least. I think it dulls them into apathy. But when they emerge from the mill and find themselves unemployable, now that might make them vote Labour in the belief that it will safeguard their benefits.

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          • My argument was meant to be slightly nuanced from what I think your interpretation may have been.

            Kids rebel anyway, it is part of the human condition. In rebelling they are likely to throw overboard any conditioning that may have been attempted as an incidental by-product. I agree that the conditioning process, of itself is unlikely to cause rebellion (though it would have done with me, I think!)

            If they emerge from the mill and get a job, then that may be different. I remember when I first started to pay tax and NI. It just grew and grew. I understood George Harrison when he sung Taxman completely.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            You may not have seen what the mill is producing these days.

            Lobotomized young adults without a clue do not rebel, and when they figure out how to get benefits and buy drugs either don’t vote or are likely to vote Labour or for whichever party promises them more free money.

            It isn’t all doom and gloom, but the UK education system is very poorly labelled these days. It is more accurately an un-education system.

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          • That is a profoundly distressing view.

            It also does not accord with my own experience. We are clearly talking of different subsets of youth.

            Most of those who I know, they include English, German, Austrian, Italian, Slovenian, Croatian, plus most other European nations, have interesting enquiring minds.

            They don’t always have a lot of experience, it is true. But experience takes time. Not only that but willingness to absorb.

            The system is one thing. Those it produces are another. My original post to Pody was identifying the phenomenon of protest. At one time that was synonymous with bad. Maybe now it is so with good?

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            The msm have a lot to answer for in that they were ‘selling on’ Blairs Education, Education, Education rhetoric for years – of the whole msm in the UK not one of them properly ever dared to ‘tell the truth’ about blairs deliberate dumbing down of our children. To repeat The MSM and its most elevated and higher than thou ranks – couldn’t see what the marxist (and Zi.onist) tendencies were behind everything – yet the British public were screaming out at the msm – who belittle the public.

            The msm are a fucking shameful disgrace – especially its older ranks – who speak and talk themselves up / lord themselves about with awards etc as being of intelligence – JFHChrist.

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          • @BW

            I hesitate to start, knowing your proclivities but:

            The MSM have huge faults, it is admitted. So do I. Now the difficult bit: So do you.

            However, the only people who absorb the MSM do so by choice. No one holds a pistol to their heads and says “Read the Daily Worker, the Telegraph, Independent or even FFS, the Grauniad” (CP Scott or not).

            So you seem to be barking up the wrong banana here.

            Not being a Marxist, I may not be the only person here who is puzzled at how you crafted that in. Not being Bnai Yisraʾel, either, at least I understand you have a preoccupation here, however misguided.

            The discussion here did have some logical progression to it.

            Then you came along.

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            @SC – you undo your own head up ones own Rse in your ‘so do you’ bit.

            It is your opinion as is ever with you SC. You have so much ‘form’ in ‘positioning yourself’ with your lofty wording as being above all and any reproach in that you are some fountain of knowledge above all lessers who knows everyfucking thing. You don’t SC. You are ‘still wedded’ (blinkered) to many of your lifes misbegotten beliefs.

            The truths of many subjects that I have covered and some that really still do ‘get you going’ are out there – stop behaving like the 80% of deluded parliamentarians that have been ‘placed’ as puppets in our Parliament. In modern language – “Grow Some” old man.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            @SC: It should not be profoundly distressing, but it does need to be realized and taken on board.

            It is not exclusively a fault of the schools or the teachers, parents are partly to blame, as is the media and popular culture into which kids these days are lured. However, for kids that actually attend state school, the biggest impact on their daily lives will be that system, so their failings can be fairly attributed to that.

            Not really too bothered about what goes on over on the continent as their systems are different. I do not consider myself to be a numpty, but recall once in Switzerland, whilst relaxing by lac Leman, being accosted by a group of very young school kids (7 to 8) who were out on some class activity.

            They approached me and asked me if I had seen some ruin or other in the area, and could I direct. However, not speaking French fluently, I responded in English to which a couple of the girls turned to the lads, explained, then served as translators.

            They were directed, their teacher who they were with came over and thanked me for helping and the nice day continued.

            Did feel a complete numpty though as this group of kids, being somewhat polite were also very well spoken in about 4 languages, knew about the Roman ruins in detail, and were able to figure out my directions. When the teacher addressed me there was only genuine thanks and no hint of anything else.

            That right there brought home a very sharp contrast with what you will find in the UK.

            UK state education system is not about teaching at all any more. Bit of political indoctrination, and a lot of dumbing down and creation of apathy – political and otherwise.

            I do know of teachers who were fired for teaching off syllabus topics for example. Did not do damage to the kids or impact what they needed to know in order to pass exams, but certainly helped broaden knowledge. Their field was math – so not obviously subversive either. Go figure.

            If you catch a bit of benefits street (is on uTube) – the attitude displayed is extreme, but that is imparted in the schools these days – most certainly under Labour during their ‘reign’.

            An overriding sentiment I recall from university, in the UK, was the sentiment among students that the study was purely a means to an end. The end being to get some sort of high paying job.

            Whilst that seems reasonable, when analyzed, the lack of creative verve or fundamental interest in study beyond using higher education as an employment stepping stone is quite depressing. Correlates with a remark another teacher I once knew made – his field was in music: There just isn’t any talent about any more. And that was back in the mid 90s, a sentiment expressed only a few years after Ma’astricht was signed…

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          • @BW

            You may even be right.

            But you are so bigoted, you would never allow that of anyone else.

            As to the “old man” business, you are some way older than I am, if recent reports are correct.

            Hypocrisy is your middle name.

            Why do you come and infect this place as if you were the dirtiest of the thousand fleas which infest a camel’s arsehole?

            Cue: Attack the man and not the message bollocks – when that is all you ever seem to do.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            @BW: The only Marxist angle to the reforms in education is that the education system was reformed in order to produce compliant apathetic people who would be satisfied with the desire to consume and not produce.

            The Marxist focus here is on man as consumer and not producer.

            From the legal angle, people who are not properly educated as to what their rights are, or what indeed consent means or how to argue their own case, are perhaps more vulnerable prey to the fraternity which generally do not educate their children at state institutions.

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          • @CO5

            Appear to have missed your post of 9:18 pm until just now. maybe it was hidden for a while or just missed it. Apologies!

            Your Swiss experience accords very well to mine in a number of European countries. There is an important lesson to take away here. The kids are not innately stupid, not that you were arguing that.

            I regard UK kids as no different. I have always enjoyed interacting with them and finding out how they can interpret what they learn at school. From about 11/12 onwards, they are sifting. By that, I mean the same as you or I do when we look at an article on the internet. “Now can I believe this, or not?” In fact, many of them probably do that better that either of us might!

            It is part of the human process.

            Fully accept what you are saying at input stage. But it is the outputs upon which life’s judgements are made.

            Your remark, There just isn’t any talent about any more, is understood. I know why you are saying it with entirely honest motives IMO. But I have had had too much recent evidence to the contrary to leave that unchallenged.

            I do not try to make the case that these kids are in the majority. I simply do not know. But they exist, otherwise I would not have spoken with and noticed them.

            Now the killer point! Those who are independent minded are, for the most part, not a product of the state. They are a product of their parents (in part) and to an increasing extent, as they grow older, of their own life’s experience.

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            @SC – go and have a read of some other comments I have put up here. And btw your attempt at reverse psychology re: attack the man – well that was all you ever did to me for the past few years – oh and then you’d suck up to others hereabouts to garner weasel support. And of course then there’s summit about Mary / QBV11 / and a whole host of mantra boys – who’s Rses I have kicked from here to kingdom come.

            Take your fucking blinkers off SC you MULE.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            The talent remark – I was quoting what was said to me by a fellow professional. I am not qualified to make that sort of judgement, but as far as my opinion is concerned it did stick and is still relevant.

            The context of that long ago discussion was on aspects of how students were responding to exposure to music, and in particular, composition and creativity within that field.

            I do not claim to make a completely sweeping statement either, but the broad average has definitely dropped over the past 30 years from where it was prior to that.

            Do agree with you on the parental influence side. That I believe is much stronger influence on children, or at least equal with certain media sources such as television, and nowadays, the internet. Internet may be restoring balance – the real effect of that medium is still young and evolving.

            NB: I did mention above that parents were in part to blame. That is not having a go at peoples parenting skills per se, but when the full social context is taken into consideration, it is much harder for parents to do a fair job of raising their kids these days compared to 40 years ago. They have also been fooled into believing that the education system is doing what they are being prevented from doing – preparing their offspring for life.

            Am not dissing the kids themselves: But will slam without mercy the state education system which is causing this problem and harming lives.

            FYI: Am a big fan of home schooling – which in the US is beginning to eclipse the state system as folk there have realized the damage that the public school systems (state) were doing.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            @SC: If you have time the following is worth a watch on the subject of government run education systems in the West. A few years old, and America centric, but not completely irrelevant to the UK now:

            My own dark view is that as the UK has de-industrialized the balance between producing educated productive people vs. compliant consumers has shifted towards consumers only.

            Most of those emerging these days whether we like it or not are fairly well finished Marxian Men and Women who are completely disposable assets of the state.

            Gove has been having a very difficult time trying to change this awful status quo.

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          • @BW

            reverse psychology! LMFAOAOTFFTIFE!

            Since the season of goodwill is so definitely over, you can take your Adorno theories and stick them up your Horkheimer, you great Habermas!

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          • @CO5: I have listened to the video in its entirety, though it just petered out in mid sentence. It does not accord with my direct experience is all I can say. Anecdotal? For sure! That is not to say its arguments are invalid or its premises lacking in truth. We are in Gary Allen territory. How come he died at just 50, but maybe I am setting up a conspiracy theory all by myself!

            Agree that the standard has dropped in the last three decades. But we have the internet which our parents did not have. I see that as an even bigger counterforce in the battle.

            Have some sympathy with your de-industrialisation of British education argument but it is the case that the environment has gone that way too. In my view, the fault of government but also of industry itself. Nothing like this is quite as simple as it appears.

            I am the curious case of the optimist. A true contrarian, if you will. I think it is impossible to repress the human spirit! If I am being manipulated, I would like to know how!

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            @SC: Video is in about 5 parts – full interview is about 2 hours or so, the book is available online for free. Worth a read.

            The woman in question was in the US civil service for ages working in the education field. It is interesting to get a glimpse into that part of the US machinery as it is not that well exposed in the UK / Europe.

            Am an optimist also – in the people.

            The problem is very much the system and what it has been reconfigured to do. This all started back in the 80s so if you had done with education prior to the reforms which started under Baker (inc. GCSE replacing O-Level) you would not have real direct experience or have seen what happened in the 90s up close.

            The manipulation of yourself (and myself for that matter) is a totally different topic, and most of this is subliminal. If you do not watch much television and consume most information from the internet and print publications, the impact will be less, however, the internet is a strange old medium when it comes to propaganda and spreading ideas.

            You allusion to conspiracy theory, as the one odd one I rediscovered the other day, and Cameron’s reference in response to Tom Watson’s question today, is not moot.

            With a little thought, but keeping in mind the notion of triple-cross and such things as quad-think, maybe there are some rogue elements at work on the net seeking to take advantage of peoples blind faith in this new medium in order to sew the seeds of dissent for an otherwise occult outcome.

            Very easy to influence public opinion if you know how to place the right sort of message, at the time. Especially if you advertise something as having gone viral, when maybe it had not, just yet.

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          • White rabbit says:

            SC. I too am optimistic about the power and independence of the human spirit. The internet seems to aid and liberate this very spirit and chimes rather well with the ‘rugged individualist’ that was target of the transformers.

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          • @CO5

            Silly of me not to notice that about the video but I got the flavour of it. My education was completed in the 60s.

            BTW I think you kindly referred to me as the learned cat the other day. Very nice if you meant me and thank you if so, except I do not deserve it! I was a complete academic failure but have used that disability to fight my corner in life and study every subject I can absorb, travel to every part of the world that I could do and speak to the people in each place to learn from them.

            I steal ideas from other people without any compunction, if they are good! Many academics are my friends and I often join them on conferences. You might be surprised to find out how many are not socialist or Marxist, not a majority, I would swiftly add but a significant number.

            But I was a secondary school governor, not a silent one, either. I made myself very unpopular with the educational establishment simply because I was more interested in the needs of the children than of the establishment mafia. There was an awful lot of publicity which I did not welcome and I conducted my role at no cost. I even paid my expenses from my own (unconnected) business earnings, not something which I have heard of any other educationalist doing.

            As just one example, six of us went up to London to see the Education Secretary of the day, including the Head and the Chairman. The other’s expenses, including first class rail fare (note well!), were paid from educational funds. No one offered to reimburse mine and I was not going to go cap in hand…

            That is what I mean by independently minded. I am prepared to put my hand in my own pocket so that no one can tell me they are doing me a favour by paying me off. There is no gain for me except my freedom. I have paid for my life’s independence, which is why I am not shy in voicing it!

            So the real point here is that I was familiar with the changes which took place. They were partly to do with accountability, something that was previously completely lacking in school ethos. Teachers still don’t like inspections but they now accept that they ought to happen. I cannot see that is bad in any respect. But there is so much more to be done.

            @ White rabbit: Spot on.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            @SC: Yes – did refer to you as learned cat – and you can keep the compliment as read. Was meant straight – no sarcasm etc.

            Also – despite your deferment – as you explained above – the attribution is justified. What you describe is the best way to learn, provided you have or can acquire the basic tools to navigate that path. My take is that the current state of the education system is to not pass on those tools and prevent many from even knowing that they exist.

            Am on your wavelength, but am looking at the problem from a different angle – seeing the damage first and not the possibility of success later. I do believe it is better to impart skills / knowledge etc. at a young age as young minds are able to learn at a much faster than older.

            Would be wary of the internet as being a complete panacea. Whilst the chaos and disorder is generally positive (and a welcome relief from the rigid dogma that some would like to impose), a lot of the information available needs to be treated critically and with care.

            Someone recently tried to tell me that the internet has everything. It only took me 5 minutes to prove that it didn’t, and moreover had some potentially catastrophic mis-information. That was related to some technology which is central to a project we were working on, technology which itself has largely been pushed using the internet at the expense of the more traditional approaches.

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          A Thought says:

          CO5 at 11.43:

          It did not start in the 80s. In the UK it started with Shirley Williams and Dick Crossman in the early/mid 1960s and has been going steadily downhill ever since. I have met so-called English teachers who had never heard of ‘subject’ and ‘predicate’ or ‘parsing’ or ‘adverbs’, but what escapes me is how teachers can teach foreign languages that always need basic grammar rules explained, whilst totally ignoring the fact the English also has its grammar rules.

          One solution might be for Gove to go through school by school and make every teacher, including and especially Heads and their Deputies, re-apply for their jobs. If any of them is clearly shown not to be up to the necessary standard in order to gives kids a decent start in life, they should simply be binned. That might also stuff the utterly useless , subversive and time wasting NUT as well.

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    • 78
      A banned bird says:

      But education does matter to Labour. It is part of their mission to subvert the educational system so that it brainwashes pupils into Labour-voting zombies. In this they have been unsually successful by Labour standards, having started by buggering up teacher training.

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    • 133
      Benefits Treet says:

      And people are suprised youth unemployment has gone up?

      A whole generation educated under Labour, doomed to become unemployable.

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  30. 71
    IDS in a Hurry says:

    Esther McVey – what a c’nt

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  31. 73
    audi, adidas and not half mum says:

    talk talk is all very well but who will do something about .
    there is something about mary, o she fragrant.

    time for o bro where art thou.
    the african american tarzannogram’s are no gooey bob’s. top bro couple earn 80mpa. ours are cheap.

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  32. 74
    David Cameron says:

    If I become Prime Minister, no one in a bank that has received a state bailout will receive more than £2000 bonus.

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  33. 75
    Lord Oakshit says:

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    • 81
      RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

      THE PWIME MINITHTER WATH BEATHTLY TO ME TODAY.

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      • 112
        ukip.i.am.not says:

        What happened to the promises made by both Osborne and Cable during the election campaign to stop the bankers bonuses and reverse the deregulation of the banks activities. It was on the Channel 4 prog about “Who’d Be Chancellor” as I recall. They were as valid as previous governments pledge that there would be the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

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  34. 79
    JJJ & Partners says:

    Your rules simply don’t apply to my client. Simples…

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  35. 82
    Ian Smith says:

    Universal Credit will be delivered on time and on budget.

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  36. 83
    Ed Balls says:

    I never said

    ” Where is Plan B? ..Too far, Too fast …flat-lining..Double-dip recession … triple dip recession..Recovery was choked off …or Plan A has failed.

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  37. 89
    DLT bacon lettuce tomato says:

    Someone’s balls must hang..

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  38. 95
    The British media are cunts says:

    Interesting that back in 2009 McMong, Darling and presumably both Ed’s opposed limiting banker bonuses, funny the BBC in their report failed to mention that. I wonder why?

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    • 98
      tachybaptus says:

      Europe wants to try and stop any future financial catastrophes, George obviously doesn’t. sensible control of banking will stop the madness of casino banking that George wants to promote and take the benefits for the Tory Part of the banking bribes they receive. this is not about protecting the UK it is about the funding of the Tory Party

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      • 115
        Casual Observer 5 says:

        Europe could avert most financial problems by wholesale reform.

        Drop protectionist measures, reduce regulation, and clear out the corruption.

        Whilst G’ermany and the others are hell bent on protecting their markets and producing uncompetitive overpriced trash whilst repressing development in the other memeber states, the situation will only get worst not better.

        The UK needs to separate and stand its own ground. Some direct competition against the EU bloc would actually do them some good, which the UK would ultimately profit from.

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        • 358
          A Thought says:

          You forgot about producing honest and verifiable accounts.

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          • (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

            You think that those characters from Southern Europe with a fondness for spaghetti and concrete footwear will ever allow the accounts to be published? Dream on, mate!

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      • 143
        The British media are cunts says:

        Bankers are mere amateurs compared to the billions wasted away the political elite.

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        • 222
          Bilda Berger says:

          Er … the bankers own the “political elite” (read: puppets).

          Search for “money as debt”, “fiat currency”, “fractional reserve banking”, “history of the Bank of England”, “Mayer Amschel Rothschild”. That’ll give you a start.

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      • 154
        CYNICAL OLD GIT says:

        EUROPE IS ONE BIG FINANCIAL CATASTROPHE , WHAT;S THE MATTER WITH YOU ?

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  39. 102
    Cuntwatch says:

    Cancer patients who have more than six months to live could have to do work experience or see their payments slashed under the scheme by Work and Pensions Minister Iain Duncan Smith.

    At which point to we all agree that ” enough is enough ” ?

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    • 109
      Someone says:

      What is the survival rate for cancer these day?

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      • 124
        Andy Burnham MP says:

        It’s not so much ‘surviving cancer’, it’s more ‘surviving your stay in an NHS hospital’.

        I did my best to cover up the thousands of needles and agonising deaths that were the result of cruelty and indifference.

        I hope to do so again.

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  40. 107
    Any sane person says:

    The EU is the only thing keeping us safe from the Tories

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  41. 108
    Jimmy Cricket says:

    I hear that Tom Hanks is going to play George Osborne in a film about this government and its priorities.

    It’s called Saving Private Banks.

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    • 151
      CYNICAL OLD GIT says:

      So by implication you assume business can continue without viable banks, just nationalised ones ?

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    • 181
      The British media are cunts says:

      Funny as I thought it was the one eyed mong who bailed out the failing Scottish banks, oh and the mong who trashed a great English bank (Lloyds) after he persuaded them to buy one of those shit Scottish banks.

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  42. 110
    RomaBob.... Beeg Issue, Beeg Issue! says:

    Sex offences, what is all the fuss about, it is our cultural deviant heritage :)

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    • 121
      The Labour Party says:

      And moving forwards we must all come together and celebrate the rich cultural experience with which your community enhances and enriches our collective One Nation community experience.

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      • 196
        Non taxable pikey says:

        Estimated 8000 underage marriages last year in the UK. The leaders of 18 crescent topped religious buildings agreed when approached undercover to oerform said marriages.

        As yet not one prosecution.

        Something else that enriches our one nation community experience.

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    sunderland is a labour ghetto that why its shyte says:

    Just watched a rerun of PMQs,Cmeron was absolutely brilliant,Milliband pathetic.I an now more encouraged that Milliband wont be elected at the next GE

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    • 126
      RomaBob.... Beeg Issue, Beeg Issue! says:

      But Labour and canny auld Sunderlan’ will remain :)

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    • 127
      Ex-Conservative says:

      I feel exactly the same way. Red Ed is a pathetic and diminishing feature of British politics, and now the LimpDums have said that sexual assault against women isn’t really that important we know there’s not much chance of another coalition.

      Then I remember that Cameron is a toffee-nosed c*nt who’s doubled the debt, increased immigration, increased our contributions to the EU to £22 billion a year, paved the way for the destruction of England’s countryside, wants to concrete everything, wants to piss-away £50 billion on the ruinous waste of money HS2 railway, destroyed our military and spunks £11 billion down the drain every year on foreign aid.

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      • 128
        Ex-Conservative says:

        PS: vote UKIP.

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        • 145
          OUT DAVE OUT DAVE OUT DAVE OUT says:

          Camoron also legalised bumsex marriage — curious, since the cnut didn’t make any reference to it in the Conservative 2010 Manifesto.

          Question — do the gay mafia know something embarrassing about Dave’s past? It seems likely that some bl(a)ckmail was involved.

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          • Bilda Berger says:

            It’s no coincidence that it was introduced in many different countries at more or less the same time. Why was that? You may well ask.

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    • 129
      A banned bird says:

      No one outside the Westminster bubble cares, or even notices, who wins PMQs. It is as irrelevant as if Cameron had beaten Miliband at real tennis.

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      • 136
        The BBC says:

        We care, and Milliband always wins hands down.

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      • 142
        sunderland is a labour ghetto that why its shyte says:

        You are probably right but think of the demoralising effect it has on Labour MPs,how I vote in my constituecny is pretty meaningless if Labour ran a monkey with a red rosette they would still win.look at the recentlt released figures about unemployment and benefit claimants,the 3 Sunderland constituency are in the top 75.If you ever get the chance watch the 3 women who represent Sunderland,all elected on wimmin only shortlists have never had a proper job and are as thick as a bulls lug.

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    • 139
      ukip.i.am.not says:

      Yes all those people having to use food banks will now be voting Tory. Prick.

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  44. 125
    R. Ennard's mum says:

    Let’s get rid of the Libdems once and for all. Do not vote for the sleazy bastards.

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    • 130
      Podiceps says:

      Have you ever met a LibDem voter? Weird reasons they give for their behaviour: ‘Brilliantly effective locally’, ‘The only party that really cares about ordinary people’, etc. Straight from Planet Zog.

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    • 141
      Jimmy says:

      You mean the party propping up Cameron?

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      • 149
        White rabbit says:

        Ed Balls and Nick Clegg … lovers?

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        • 150
          Jimmy says:

          The Liberal Democrats are only relevant in politics today because of one person – David Cameron.

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          • civil engineering plant says:

            Nothing to do with Gordon being utterly shit then…?

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          • Podiceps says:

            Jimmy, I’d expand that, sadly. The Liberal Democrats are only relevant in politics today because of the failure of one person — David Cameron — to get his party properly elected when campaigning against the party that had just run the worst government that this country has experienced since the 17th century.

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  45. 137
    White rabbit says:

    I’ve never been to Peterborough, what’s it like ?

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    • 140
      Aroma Bob says:

      Dark

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    • 146
      CYNICAL OLD GIT says:

      Not so many years ago it was a pleasant medieval English city until much of the center was destroyed and built over with hideous shopping malls, then came Labours cultural enrichment……………………need more be said?

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      • 152
        Phil from Pentonville says:

        Just send them to us in Pentonville.

        We ain’t frightened to show em a bit of British Justice .

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    • 207
      Non taxable pikey says:

      Italians in the brickworks since the 1950s – some good restaurants.
      Poles and other Eastern Europeans working in the fields.
      Roma flogging the Big Issue.
      The religion of peace driving the taxis.
      Indigenous scroungers on Bennies who refuse to work in the fields.

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    • 379
      JH2303409329-3423 says:

      I used to walk past the job centre there.

      On one side were the magnificent benefits street types, milling outside the job centre sucking down cans of lager and fags.

      On the other were Poles queuing to get in minibuses on their way to a day of veg picking in the fens.

      Everything that is wrong is in that picture.

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  46. 153
    Any sane person says:

    Germany, a full and active member of the EU, has no problem developing their industrial economy into China and elsewhere.
    Instead of moaning on about how the EU holds us back, what are we doing to develop an industrial base for the 21st century? Or, do we think that fracking will do the job nicely

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    • 190
      Burble Wurble Guggle says:

      Are You mad? Germany runs the Euro Zone band quite rightly too as it is the paymaster general. Brussels does as it is told as far as Germany is concerned.

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  47. 155
    Ed Moribund says:

    I won The pre PMQs debate that we hold at 10am for practice.
    I was brilliant in that one. Not at all like the sheepish, gormless looking loser I was later.

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  48. 156
    The Big Society says:

    We just want to hug them give them a job and make them feel wanted.

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  49. 163
    David Cameron says:

    I cannot keep my promises in another coalition after 2015

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  50. 164
    Kebab News says:

    Some news from Southampton City:

    FROM Hindi and Hungarian to Spanish and Somali, with a sprinkling of Persian. These are some of the 47 mother tongues heard ringing out from the bustling playground of just one Southampton primary school. St Mark’s Church of England Primary School in Freemantle is one of the most multicultural schools in the country, so much so that it featured this week in a BBC TV documentary The Truth About Immigration, exploring how new arrivals from eastern Europe and other corners of the globe have transformed Britain’s towns and cities.

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    • 172
      CYNICAL OLD GIT says:

      OH !! how absolutely exiting for the remaining English pupils
      How lovely
      How ENRICHING their parents must be thrilled Dahhling!!!!

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    • 212
      UKIP, the only solution says:

      How nice it is then that the ruling class dont have to send their children to be enriched, the political class and the quango state functionaries all go private or manage to get the best schools for their dear ones. Our kids get forcibly enriched into a minority in their own country and the ruling classes kids get the finest education taxpayers money can buy. Vote for the liblabcon and enrich yourself out of existence.

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    • 274
      Websters Political Dictionary says:

      Transformed

      Fucked up

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    • 385
      (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

      I gave a mate a hand to lug his bags to Southampton en route to Oz in the late sixties and you couldn’t move for sub-continental enrichment even then!

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  51. 169
    Rob says:

    Regarding Rennard, would you want to be sacked because people made allegations against you , but where’s the evidence? This is politics, for fucks sake. Back stabbing and vendettas are standard issue.

    If you have evidence, go to the police. These are allegations of criminal acts. He may well have form for this sort of stuff , but let’s have some due process.

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  52. 171
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Well after tonights CH4 news – Its good bye to the Lib Dems and Good fucking bye to the EU Monster in our midst.

    Lordy Carlile – you were pathetic – noticed the rapid eye movement in your brazen lying.

    Alistair QC – has given an OPINION – a fucking OPINION – and that’s all. It and what has come out about it is shrouded in legalese ‘I believe’ ‘n all that bunkum.

    And Carlile – what an arrogant, up his own jacksy, condescending, lord with his own head shuvved firmly up his own fucking arse.

    We are truly nearing the endgame with all these despicable shysters controlling our daily lives – while holding themselves out to be beyond reproach.

    Footnote: So Rennard can RE’LIE’ – upon an ‘opinion’ of a QC and the cravenness of the CPS and police to get off the hook and they think that the general public are going to take that b/s – I don’t think so.

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    • 185
      Lard Everard says:

      :)

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    • 218
      Cunt Watch says:

      Yes, at least the BBC, on R4 this evening, gave an interesting juxtaposition of the Harris/Travis/Roache cases being heard in the law courts and Rennard’s pathetic “aquittal” according to a non judicial process!

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    • 257
      Blowing Whistles says:

      That Fuck-wit Alistair QC – gave an ‘opinion’ – none of the evidence (the real Trick performed by the legal opinion meisters) therefore ever got to be tested under oath in a proper court of law …

      Now tell me WHO’S Hoodywinked WHOM? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink – KNOW WOT I MEAN LIKE?

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  53. 180
    cured lefty says:

    In my gps surgery £80 fucking quid a pop for a translator its insane!

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    • 184
      Diane Fatbott says:

      WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCIIIIST !!

      P.S. You seriously believe these people need an interpreter ??
      HAHA ! It’s all part of the ‘game’. Sharpen up !

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  54. 182

    To anyone who ever liked, followed or loved Anna Racoon, get over here and give her your support:

    http://bit.ly/1apGxyT

    Seriously.

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    To аnyonе who еvеr lіkеd, followеd or lovеd Аnnа Rасoon, gеt ovеr hеrе аnd gіvе hеr your ѕupport:

    http://bit.ly/1apGxyT

    Ѕеrіouѕly.

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  56. 189
    altruism in industry says:

    “Gary Stretch, who is 7 feet 3 inches tall, denies three charges of preventing the lawful burial of all three men and two counts of attempted murder.”

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  57. 191
    The Spineless Tit in Number 10 says:

    The BBC is an excellent institution and Chris Patten is doing a great job. Great value for the licence fee.

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  58. 198
    Nelson Mandela is Worshipped by the BBC says:

    The BBC should report the news in a neutral way. It is obvious it does not do this as far as ethnic/immigrant crime is concerned, CAGW and politics but what bias is it applying to the not so obvious?

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  59. 205
    Ed Balls - Shallow Chancer says:

    Calamity Clegg.

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  60. 220
    Daily Doings, only 80 pence from your favourite news vendor says:

    Any word on Robert “I’ve been outed as an Internet Troll” Ambridge, then?

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  61. 223
    Laurie Penny says:

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  62. 224
    Lib Dem Female MP's - Defection choices says:

    The choices…

    i) If Libertarian –> UKIP
    ii) If Socialist –> Labour
    iii) If Liberal, but prefer company of gay men (no sexual harassment)–> Conservative
    iv) If Liberal and like sexual harassment –> Lib Dem

    Simples.

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    • 229
      Cunt Watch says:

      You made a simple error…

      i) If perverted sexual deviant -> HoC or HoL

      There, sorted it for you.

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    • 238
      ████ 'changed my tune ' Hoon says:

      Why would any women support the LibDems any more ?

      Labour are the layabout Party.
      Tories are the toffs’ Party
      LibDems are the ‘handy’ Party.

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      • 245
        Non Chauvinist says:

        The Lib Dems provide a political voice for the most morally corrupt and intellectually lazy in UK society. That is now confirmed.

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  63. 228
    Dimwit McDee says:

    more bbc abuse headlines to keep the tories in the shadows – corruption rules in tory uk

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  64. 236
    No Democracy says:

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    • 248
      REALITY CHECK says:

      I admire Nigel Farage’s oratorical skills and his rabble-rousing rhetoric. He’s a useful gadfly, superbly ably to unsettle the EU technocrats and unsettle their complacency.

      Trouble is, he’s not been proven correct on so many of the big calls.

      The euro hasn’t collapsed, the bond markets haven’t stop buying EU government debt and civil unrest hasn’t erupted on the streets of the Club Med nations.

      Lovely, warm-hearted character. Just permanently wrong forecasts.

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      • 255
        Eh?? says:

        ‘civil unrest hasn’t erupted on the streets of the Club Med nations’

        Are you sure? I seem to remember mass demos and riots in Greece over the summer.

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      • 269
        EU Watch says:

        No – Nigel is right. And it is happening.

        For example – in Spa!n, despite new laws against protest:

        Spa!n is looking like it is going to break up. All the protests are regional, fueled by austerity (failure of the Euro) and are expressing irritation with Madrid.

        Same pattern is seen in G’reece, !taly, P’ortugal.

        G’reece at present is not a functioning democracy.

        !taly’s democracy is somewhat fractured.

        The problem has not gone away, but is not being reported on properly, and all of this is being caused by the EU.

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      • 286
        Fuck the LibLabCon says:

        Oh ok then, well I guess you’ve called it.

        It must all be over, all the debts paid off, everyone in full time employment and all the immigrants have gone home with housing for all. So there’s nothing else for it, we fellow Europeans can safely skip off into the sunny uplands hand in hand with Beethoven’s Ode to Joy playing in the background.

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      • 291
        Civil unrest hasn’t erupted on the streets of the Club Med nations says:

        Published on 12 Jan 2014
         

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      • 334
        Joe says:

        What planet do you live on?

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    • 332
      Fuck the LibLabCon says:

      UKIP now making Nigel Farage available in Greek, nice touch!
       

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  65. 242
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Beeboids banging on about depraved Brits encouraging abuse of children, whilst ignoring the behaviour of some of their former employees.

    Must have all the morals of Jas Savile dec’d.

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  66. 249
    Having a column in The S_n has generted some interesting comments, has it not? says:

     

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    • 254
      Daily Doings, only 80 pence from your favourite news vendor says:

      The Sun, ffs? No moron buys it and even fewer actually read that dross. At least this cvnt’s shite is free. How were you wanting to spell “generated”, btw?

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      • 260
        Having a column in The S_n has generted some interesting comments, has it not? says:

        Genorated? This type of political ram-rodding is so 2008.

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        • 266
          Daily Doings, only 80 pence from your favourite news vendor says:

          Have you ever, actually, paid for a copy of The Sun?

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          • Having a column in The S_n has generted some interesting comments, has it not? says:

            LOL. No fear. As a paperboy, circa 1979, I once purloined a copy because I needed something to wank into.
            As I remember, I folded a copy inside No. 39’s Telegraph, along with a sneaky Double Decker, and made love to Page Three’s breasts and navel before cycling into double-maths at 0915 hours.
            It was a Tuesday.

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          • Ex paperboy says:

            I just used to nick a copy of Playboy, shove it in the paperbag, deliver all the papers and take the wankmag home.

            Why have mutton when you could have lamb?

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    • 262
      Remembering all those great commentators who used to post here (JGM2 et al) says:

      And having the fucktarded m0db0t crazy moron Hárry Cóle as a contributor to this once respected blog has generated an exodus of excellent commentators.

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  67. 268
    Jaw Jozzborne says:
  68. 271

    A C Benson was a manic depressive with a lesbian wife in the fin de siècle period, not the most auspicious of times for all that old nonsense especially considering that he himself was an iron hoof. His father was Archbishop of Canterbury (I know, it just gets worse). Master of Magdalene, Cambridge (I did warn you…), he linked up with Edward Elgar (in the most platonic of senses) to write the words for Land of Hope and Glory.

    Whether the Empire fell because of this is a subject too deep for this space but, clearly the words require reappraisal. My draft was published this morning but refinement, a word rarely associated with me, has taken place. I wish to share this with you.

    
    


    ♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫

    Land of Dope and Tory, Labour, BИP,
    How shall we destroy thee, and set our people free?
    Wider still and wider, EU binds be set!
    Nigel, save our Blighty, make us mightier yet!
    Nigel, save our Blighty, make us mightier yet!

    LibDems not worth their handle, Neither is the case*,
    They give away the bennies, help Indies into space!
    UKIP’s the only answer, let us cut our debt;
    Nigel, save our Blighty, make us mightier yet!
    Nigel, save our Blighty, make us mightier yet!

    ♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫

    * Of course, the Liberal Democrats are neither Liberal nor Democratic

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    • 283
      Sick of the Pomp says:

      You lost me just after S.

      No the one at the start of your moniker

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    • 366
      genghiz the kahn says:

      Benson’s words for The Coronation Ode of 1902, are execrable. It was a good job Elgar had a belter of a tune, which he reused.

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    • 370
      genghiz the kahn says:

      A C Benson’s old man was the Archbishop, who had married an 18 year old Lesbian.

      Quite a few of the offspring were bi polar depressives.

      They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
      They may not mean to, but they do.
      They fill you with the faults they had
      And add some extra, just for you.

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  69. 278
    Fish says:

    Labour slug, Lord Myners, says there will be considerable public support for Weird Ed’s intention to break up the banks and limit their market share.

    Not from me. I spread my accounts over three banks.

    HSBC – excellent

    First Direct – Excellent

    Barclays – poor

    It’s up to me who I bank with, not the retarded Marxist idiot who wants to interfere and poke his nose in everything he can. No wonder it’s flat and stupid looking .

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  70. 282
    Anonymous says:

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  71. 288
    David, call me Prime Minister if you like says:

    Why me an da Chicken lubs de dub vibe, old boy:

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  72. 289
    Lib Dem Sexual Harassment Training Video says:

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    • 310
      White rabbit says:

      Belly laughish for about 7 seconds. However, seeing the cartoon car prompted memories of Diana Rigg in that red American convertible in ‘On Her Majesty’s Secret Service’. Miss Rigg…a Goddess in a cat suit

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  73. 292
    Repeat says:

    251Hunt Watch says:
    January 15, 2014 at 10:16 pm
    Not once have the BBC (TV and radio) mentioned the ethnicity of the Peterborough Five tonight. Their top story is about dirty old white men watching online porn via Philippine webcams.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/

    BBC = Pe’edo appeasers and facilitators

    Reply
    257Hunt Watch says:
    January 15, 2014 at 10:19 pm
    Pa’edo

    Reply
    270Keith Vaz is an odious Hunt says:
    January 15, 2014 at 10:34 pm
    ITV have just admitted that the ring leader was a Roma.

    Reply
    273altruism in industry says:
    January 15, 2014 at 10:38 pm
    This story about the webcam abusers does seem to have been deliberately positioned to push the message that all society is riddled with it and not just our enrichers.

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  74. 294
    Ed Balls - Shallow Chancer says:

    ‘Actualy, Ed and I get on really, really well……

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  75. 300
    The British media are cunts says:

    Oh god bonkers Alex Crawford is on Newsnight wanking off about men and tanks as penises again, she really is bonkers, Sky’s nut job for wanting to start yet another war.

    Fuck off you old dog.

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  76. 303
    Ah! Monika says:

    Is it Kylie Minogue?

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  77. 312
    Fish eye says:

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  78. 315
    Black eye says:

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  79. 317
    ████ 'changed my tune ' Hoon says:

    LIBDEMS: TELLING LIES ON AN INDUSTRIAL SCALE.

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  80. 324
    An open letter from Owen Jones to Ukip voters says:

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    • 331
      Nigel Farage says:

      Get back to Lenin’s cock.

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    • 333
      CYNICAL OLD GIT says:

      Who is this lunatic, does he imagine that UKIP voters want to live in 1960s East Germany?

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      • 340
        The British Museum says:

        He has no idea what East Germany was like. The poor deluded idiot has no idea whatsoever what all his ridiculous last century socialistic rhetoric meant in practice. His ideas are so irrelevant and his grip on modern political realities is so poor he may as well be the Emperess Josephine in a Napoleonic re-eneactment society.

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    • 336
      Scouser says:

      Great Idea Owen. Let’s take over your home into public ownership and so I can move in.

      I’ll pay you a very fair fiver a week rent and you can pay be a tenner an hour to keep an eye on the place and make it doesn’t burn down.

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    • 341
      FFS says:

      Haven’t you worked it out yet? The UKIP voters coming from Labour are going t vote UKIP DESPITE not getting the things you mentioned. They know full well they won’t get that from Labour either. What they want is an end to benefits culture, long prison sentences for criminals and most of all an end to mass immigration.

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    • 346
      Casual Observer 5 says:

      I will so laugh when Nigel starts taking Owen’s Twitter followers off of him…

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  81. 326
    Billie says:

    No cuhunt clicks on our silly site no more does they guido ?? Part from Bob (Pionner) from the imaginary yaght in LaLa land.
    Why does we ban all the good ones you wonders the comments on mumsnet is more politically astute an that.

    your Billie Botty x

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  82. 327
    Brillo says:

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    • 339
      The British Museum says:

      He’s finished. Over. As unmentionable as Norman Scott’s dog, Cyril Smith’s hobbies and Mark Oaten’s coffee table. History. As last year as Nick Clegg’s reputation, and every greedy fuckers’ expenses claims. Gone. Not even Vince Cable can remember who he is. He’s as dead as one of Sarah Teather’s punchlines.

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      • 376
        Yesterday's Man says:

        LOL!

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      • 378
        UKIP or bust says:

        BM, do you mean he’s dead as in . .

        Mr. Praline: ‘Ello, I wish to register a complaint.

        (The owner does not respond.)

        Mr. Praline: ‘Ello, Miss?

        Owner: What do you mean “miss”?

        Mr. Praline: (pause)I’m sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!

        Owner: We’re closin’ for lunch.

        Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this Liberal what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.

        Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Norwegian Blue Rennard…What’s,uh…What’s wrong with it?

        Mr. Praline: I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it, my lad. ‘E’s dead, that’s what’s wrong with it!

        Owner: No, no, ‘e’s uh,…he’s resting.

        Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead Liberal when I see one, and I’m looking at one right now.

        Owner: No no he’s not dead, he’s, he’s restin’! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue Rennard isn’it, ay? Beautiful plumage!

        Mr. Praline: The plumage don’t enter into it. It’s stone dead.

        And so on . .

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  83. 328

    So to summarise the latest state of political play:

    The Liberal Democrats
    Have just lost any woman supporter who has a brain cell or more secreted about her. Only Lord Rennard could still vote for them but he does not have a vote.

    The Labour Party
    After their prolonged and catastrophic handling of the economy, promoted the diametric opposite in policy to what the nation needed. Even the most myopic of supporters can now see this and only those directly in receipt of state handout could possibly vote for them

    The Conservative Party
    Have had some good luck based upon the creation of another potential bubble economy. Lots of good noises in the media but no one believes the media any more, even when they are right which is rather problematical.

    UKIP
    Untried and untested. Heart in the right place. Anyone who thinks they are not going to poll huge numbers needs to get their bumps felt. Whatever their success, there are bound to be some mistakes.

    We have tried the devils we know for such a long time but look where it has got us. It really is time to heave the entire decrepit wagon over.

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      Casual Observer 5 says:

      I rather feel that the Conservatives have not created a bubble. They have tried, but failed.

      The good economic winds headed our way are to be short lived, and are a function of where interest rates are at the moment. The Fed will likely kill off the UK recover when they raise later this year.

      Looking at the shipping and freight indices suggests a new global recession is perhaps unfolding at the moment. Could get crunchy when those rates go up…

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      • 348

        Saw those figures too. I have been warning about rising rates for several years now. They will come, perhaps a little later than suggested. A lot of kite fling going on right now.

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        • 367
          CYNICAL OLD GIT says:

          There are those who would welcome a nice healthy rise in interest rates, for too long the system has been skewed in favour of borrowers while millions of savers have watched helplessly as their savings depreciate at an alarming rate.
          Printing useless money has always been the easy option, but history tells us that eventually it will bite you on the arse.

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          • Mr Potato Head says:

            Rates have been kept low (and don’t forget Q.E.) to bail out all the irresponsible people who borrowed far too much money before the credit crisis. This applies to the public as well as bankers and property speculators.

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    • 369
      CYNICAL OLD GIT says:

      True UKIP are untried and untested, the others are both tried and tested and proven to be complete and total lunatics.

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  84. 335
    Night night Guido says:

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  85. 364
    M­a­q­bo­ul says:

    So The S­un urges LibDem women to defecate over Rennard?

    To good for him, I say.

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  86. 368
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    Moan moan moan moany moan moan

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  87. 371
    Michael Gove says:

    I was fucking there for you, remember that.

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  88. 374
    albacore says:

    All these revelations, vague rumours and aspersions
    About sexual anomalies and perversions
    Titillating though they be, end up as diversions
    From Parliament’s dirtily treacherous excursions

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  89. 375
    Disgusted of Mitcham says:

    The BBC today spinning for all it’s worth pumping out every white pa’edo story they could find on R4 this morning to obviously deflect attention away from the Roma Peterborough 5 pa’edo case yesterday.

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    • 380
      UKIP or bust says:

      They would probably even talk about their own ‘in house’ activities rather than mention that this new lot were muzoes.

      Like


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