January 11th, 2014

SKETCH: EU Referendum Bill
It’s in the Lords: Will it Ever Come Out?

The debate was good enough to shift obdurate, entrenched and virulent opinion (I speak for myself).

In the end the summary seems to be: good idea, bad bill/bad idea, bad bill.

In the blue corner, the democrats who say that it is the settled will of the British people that there be a referendum (Lords Owen, King et alia). In the red corner, the lofty lefties who think the people should act in their higher interests by doing what they’re told.

In the middle, peers who may be for or against a referendum but who prefer to wallow the filthy politics of it. For them it’s a partisan Bill, it’s designed to get Cameron out of a hole, it’s pandering, it’s probably the result of global warming.

Lord Liddle (Lab, obviously) got a great shout of laughter when he described the deep divisions in the Conservative party on Europe and claimed, “Labour does not have these visceral internal divisions to manage.”

Noble Lords: Oh!

“Oh!” may need translating. I leave that to Commentators, below.

Mandelson (financial interest undeclared) called it “a pig-in-a-poke referendum”. As one of the aristocrats of Animal farm he meant that a referendum was Government of the pigs, by the pigs, for the pigs.

He deployed a weapon from his dark armoury by ascribing the most vulnerable aspect of his position to his opponents saying the referendum would “create more alienation and public disillusion.”

Noble Lords going Oh! completely missing.

Mandelson gave heart to skeptics saying that “it is stage one in raising impossible demands of the EU in order to create a pretext for leaving it”. But he also cast a chill in the hearts of the faintly-skeptic with his confidence that In would Win.

That’s something skeptics should take more seriously. Their poll lead is not decisive. And the consequences of leaving, when laid out one by one, are impressive.

Lord Turnbull listed some: “. . . citizenship and rights of residence affecting millions of people who have moved one way or another within the European Union; ownership of property; employment; trade in goods and services; recognition of intellectual property; the operation of cross-border businesses; study at European universities; and many others.”

But leaving aside the devils of these details, the case for a referendum is yet more impressive.

Michael Ancram as was: “Never in the history of democracy has there been such a large bureaucratic empire without once consulting the peoples who are affected by it as to whether they wanted it or whether they liked the shape of it.”

UKIP’s Lord Willoughby: “. . . the European project is all about rampant supranationalism, with a sneering disregard for national sovereignty.”

And finally, there was Neil Kinnock (enormous financial interests undeclared). He claimed that the consequences of membership of the European Community were persistently and vigorously presented to the British people. That is such fat, copper-bottomed lie-and-a-half it must go onto the frontispiece of the Out campaign document. With Kinnock against them the Outs can’t lose.

For it or against, the Lords have to process the Referendum Bill because it is a Commons Bill and therefore loose as a goose in its conception and drafting.

The fixed date for the referendum is 2017. There are German and French elections in that year and it may not be clear who is governing those countries, as it takes them time to establish their coalitions.

Can anything be negotiated with the EU in a couple of years? it takes a year to decide on the refreshments at the meetings. It took Mrs T five years to get one demand, her rebate (Lord Armstrong). Cameron should be allowed as long as he needs, he said.

In any event, the deal that we will be offered is entirely unclear. “It is important the public must be able to handle the goods before they buy.” (Lord Inglewood). How will that happen?

Lord Crisp asked: what is the question, and who gets to vote? There are 1.5m Britons now living in Europe, currently not included in the franchise. What happens to their opinion?

The question of the question is a challenge to us short-tempered democrats. “Should Britain be in the European Union” is criticised by the Electoral Commission because many people don’t know we are in the European Union at all. And yet they have a vote on whether we should stay in it. Such is democracy.

But if the question is amended to “Should Britain remain in the European Union” then the Bill is lost.

Because the Bill is, according to the business managers, unamendable. If it’s changed, it goes to the bottom of the Commons pile and is dissolved at the same time as Parliament (Lord Wakeham).

So the Lords can scrutinise it, but not change it. (“Why don’t we all go home now,” more than one peer asked.

And is there any point to the Bill at all, considering that David Cameron has promised a referendum, it will be in the manifesto. Isn’t the prime minister’s word good enough? (Answers to that question to appear in Comments below.).

One result of the Electoral Commission research was that ordinary people are unsure what they know about the EU.

I can tell them.

Nothing.

It’s very unlikely that 25,000 people in Britain know anything of consequence about the EU.

For instance, do you disapprove of the passerelle because a) it’s an expression of a characteristically continental system of fiat government? Or b) because it contains too much fat?

But we know rock-all about benefit tapers as well and yet we all know which way we’d vote on that.

Referendum-fans should monitor the Bill in committee – it has to be out by the end of February, in the same form it went in – or it will be lost.

PS: New peer and Times columnist Danny Finkelstein made a speech on the Bill. It had jokes in it. Peers described it as “refreshing” and “very amusing:”. It wasn’t clear whether Finkelstein realised how damaging to his reputation the reaction was.


456 Comments

  1. 1
    2013retribution says:

    “Will it ever come out” you ask. Not if they used superglue it won’t.

    http://2013retribution.wordpress.com/2014/01/06/28/

  2. 2
    Jay says:

    I am not a big fan of these sketches, I have to say.

  3. 3
    One Term Dave says:

    I’ll give you my cast iron guarantee it’ll pass!

  4. 4
    BBC says:

    Today we’ll mostly be completely ignoring the death of Ariel Sharon, we won’t be sending 150 jonos to the promised land to cover his memorial and we won’t be doing a two hour Ariel Sharon special or turning his death in to a political bandwagon.

    We are the BBC.

    PS. Remember to pay your TV tax on time or we’ll send the goons round.

  5. 5
    WelshRacer says:

    1973

  6. 6
    John down the road says:

    To really understand what’s going on click over to Dr North at EUreferendum

    http://www.eureferendum.com/Default.aspx

  7. 7
    Glyn H says:

    The Electoral Commission objections are as disable as the daft catholic woman suing her solicitors because they did not explain that divorce meant the end of her marriage. If you have to explain to your clients what door, coffee, carpet and chair mean life would grind to a halt. The EC has an appalling record over the postal voting scandal and are partisan to lefty causes; thus by definition seek to harm GB interests.

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    Glyn H says:

    I hate autocorrect! Risible!!

  9. 9
    Blessed Mark of Tottenham says:

    I love the EU and the ECHR because they will get me justice and plenty of bennies for mu six kids/

  10. 10
    Pascal Chimbonda's Locksmith says:

    I have to say that I am a fan.

    The idea of Mandelson and Kinnock pontificating at our expense in order to deny a referendum is disgraceful. These two have been on the wrong side of history for their entire political careers and they ain’t changing yet.

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    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    BBC – Reporting on Sharon the BBC have item after item telling us how Sharon was a terrorist and criminal.
    Strange that in the days and days of BBC Mandella coverage there was never any detail of Mandela’s terrorist activities.
    Draw your own conclusions about the BBC’s agenda.

  12. 12
    Jimmy says:

    Here’s a alternative suggestion. At the election next year let the parties say in their manifesto whether or not they think the EU is a good idea or not and then the voters can decide.

  13. 13
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Well what a great turn out for the Duggan vigil. Socialists, anarchists and benefit scroungers.

  14. 14
    White Hart Lane says:

    Just passed Tottenham police station very quiet the Duggan vigil was a damp squib.

  15. 15
    Geoffrey Johns says:

    So the Eurofanatic argument as it stands runs thus – we’ve dragged you into this debacle so far that getting out will really hurt you. True to form they want to make the issue undiscussable. Trust me, we can expect the mother of all scare campaigns if a referendum is ever held.

    I shall vote UKIP, even if I think that this will lead to a Labour victory. It seems to me that this would be the least worse outcome.

  16. 16
    Sniper says:

    Maybe you should risible the auto-correct ;-)

  17. 17
    Bilderbugger You EU says:

    Fracking Total power. TPP. Ipnas. It is futile, just bend over.

  18. 18
    Iain Smith says:

    Universal Credit will be delivered on time and on budget.

  19. 19
    Mong Watch says:

    If the LibLabCon are in favor, it will help the no vote enormously.

  20. 20
    Anonymous says:

    I am also a fan and feel the same about Kinnock/Mandelson.

  21. 21
    General Pinochet says:

    Back in Chile in the good old days we never had referendums………….if you didn’t like what was going on, you simply disappeared! Luckily in Britain we have Senor Farage……..he will make the EU disappear!

    Hasta La Victoria Siempre UKIP amigos!

  22. 22
    Jimmy says:

    Did’t last time. Combined lemon/benp vote was 5%

  23. 23
    Jack Ketch says:

    Mandlebaum and Kinnock ( and you can add Clegg and Patton) receive pensions from the EU at a level that would satisfy a Columbian druglord. One condition of all EU pensions is that the beneficiaries continue to promote the “European Ideal” and are under sanction of losing their benefit if they criticise the EU, its Commission or its structures, so they are hardly going to be honest or objective–but then who would expect The Dark Lord or Gollum to be honest?

  24. 24
    Whiffler says:

    Perhaps Sharon was involved in killing people – and our people at that!.

    Later – much later – he became a politician.

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    The debate is worth watching in full.

    Another theme which came across from those who spoke both for and against was the question of why the referendum should be avoided when it would be a good opportunity for the ‘In’ argument to be made.

    Some did raise the relevant point that shying away from this and not presenting that (or any) argument to the people has played a very large part in the rise of UKIP, and what could be considered unreasonable skepticism in some quarters.

    The big tell is that the pro arguments made alluded to above, were mainly the old canards about loss of jobs, adverse economic effects, preventing wars and essentially: What will they do to us if we leave. Most of these were also defused in the same debate.

    The subject of Eurocrat pension obligations which the UK may continue to be liable for raised – which is perhaps a very strong secondary no argument.

    Nick Clegg’s actions were described as being ‘malevolent’.

    The bill may come out with some minor amendments quickly so as the problem is passed back to the Commons and the Lords are absolved of charges of not following procedure properly (private members bills should be amended and they do not want to set precedent of treating such as government bills), or killing the bill.

    If the bill found its way to the bottom of the pile as a result, that would play very nicely into UKIP’s hands.

    They have already stated that their process of amendment is compromised by the fact that the bill may die if amended. The Lords may prefer to ensure that such damaging strategy is discouraged in future as it is not in the spirit of things.

    Perhaps the Lords will decide to pull the pin on this particular hand grenade to teach this Prime Minister a lesson in etiquette ?

  26. 26
    Good riddance says:

    Maybe because he was a c-unt.

  27. 27
    Mong Watch says:

    Even you cannot revise away the effects of austerity and how public mood has changed. ;-)

    But Labour did lose record seats last time, didn’t they.

  28. 28
    Smackheads Against The Tories says:

    Conservative leader David Cameron took drugs while he was a pupil at Eton College, a new biography has claimed>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6350909.stm

  29. 29
    nee nick clegg. says:

    nee is a slippery fish. ne. ne ne.
    he likes to say no. his knee is active. he must have car trouble. he needs a fixer. there. fixed t fr you.

  30. 30
    Karl Marx says:

    I taught, quite simply, that the people are conditioned to accept the social and political constructs in which they have been raised. I also taught that only by suddenly and forcefully imposing a new political and social order on the people will the people be forced to accept the new conditioning of the socialist state.

    My followers Kinnock and Mandelson are merely reflecting my teaching. The people should have no say in the socialist EU because currently the people are wedded to the ideas of freedom, capitalism and democracy. Only by forcing socialism upon them can the people be forced to accept socialism as their future.

    Socialists must, by their nature and in following my teachings, refuse any kind of referendum which would somehow allow the people to reject socialism. Eventually the people will be brainwashed, sorry convinced of the correctness of socialism.

  31. 31
    Moishe Fawkes says:

    Hebrew’s words for strength = Koach & Gevurah, but they mean different things; Ariel Sharon demonstrated both. http://bit.ly/1h8XHCP

  32. 32
    IBS says:

    *parp*

  33. 33
    I hate socialists. says:

    He was a good and trusted leader for Israel.

  34. 34
    Anon. says:

    #SomethingToHide.

  35. 35
    Toxic Labour for Spongers, Parasites, Immigrants, Criminals & other Wasters. says:

    What these lofty lords must realise is if legitimate discontent is denied a vote then only terrorism is left.

  36. 36
    Owen Jones says:

    Turns out you can’t turn armed drug dealers into heroes after all. Bugger.

  37. 37
    Jimmy says:

    It was a dark day for Britain indeed.

  38. 38
    Mong Watch says:

    Thst sounds rac!st ;-)

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    The Public's pissed off says says:

    Dave’s private member’s EU bill was designed to fail, it’s another blindingly obvious piece of pantomime, to be seen doing something, but with no intention of delivering anything of substance.

    We’re sick and tired of this shit. Fuck the LibLabCon and it’s treasonous scum.

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    M102 says:

    Chris Leslie is a tw@t.

  43. 43
    The Public's pissed off says says:

    Yep and once we’re out, we’re coming for the traitors. Full treason trials are necessary.

  44. 44

    One might have expected a really cheap remark from Lord Lidl.

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    They do realize that if the right to determination is denied then violence will follow. That was a subtext of many of the speeches speaking about democracy and the power of the people yesterday.

    However, they also realize more subtly that if they allow the legitimacy of the government and their own legitimacy to be undermined on this issue then they will lose the right to govern irrespective.

    Do not be under any illusion that the Lords reform could be put back on the table with blame pinned on the Lords if there is any issue with civil unrest stemming from their handling of this bill.

    This perhaps is why Clegg was described as ‘malevolent’.

  46. 46
    Reader says:

    That, sadly, is where the logic of this is tending towards, though a revolution is also possible.

    I hope these people wake up and smell the coffee, but I suspect, being the great and good, they are too fucking stupid to see the pretty pass they are rapidly reaching.

  47. 47
    Casual Observer 5 says:

    meant of course – Lords reform would be put back on the table as the Commons would pass the buck, and perhaps be ordered to do so by the EU.

  48. 48
    Ma­qbo­ul says:

    A single issues is best decided by a referendum.

  49. 49

    A camel is supposed to be a horse devised by a committee.

    I have seen evidence of this nugget of truth at many different points in my long career.

    Never… (Churchillian paws for effect) have I heard its truth reflected multiple times in the same situation as in this subject. It is the alpha and the omegawd!

  50. 50
    Democracy Now says:

    ‘partisan to lefty causes’

    My dear, it is far worse than simply that. Some of them are dodgy coves.

  51. 51
    Mandela Free Zone says:

  52. 52
    Learning from Europe says:

    Why not inquisitions ? As the Lords suggested, put their feet to the fire.

    Then throw them at ATOS to compete in the market place against the R’oma on benefit street.

  53. 53
    Lefty Watch says:

    And the National Union of Teachers

  54. 54
    HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

    It is rapidly approaching the point when the only way out of the stinking EU will be armed insurrection .

  55. 55
    How wrong you are says:

  56. 56
    Potato says:

    Find me a politician who hasn’t tried drugs at some level at all, and I will show you someone who spent their entire adolescence and univerrsity years as a billy no mates.

  57. 57
    Tom Catesby. says:

    Vote UKIP get a referendum.

  58. 58
    napoleon says:

    sounds as if the lords took the opportunity to show their contempt for the electorate

    pity the land without lords
    pity yet more the land that needs them

  59. 59
    Jethro says:

    …nineteen minutes later, and I’m still chuckling!

  60. 60
    HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

    As I pointed out earlier this means that their first loyalty is to the EU even when speaking in the British Parliament !
    Do they ever declare an interest ?

  61. 61
    Casual Observer 5 says:

    The fundamental problem has been that from inception the UK public has been lied to on this specific issue, and sold the short end of the stick.

    The debate yesterday illuminated a lot of the real thinking and sentiment that has been at work, but was left at the end of it still confident that the Out box is the right one to check.

    Why ?

    Irrespective of the apparent benefits (questionable) etc. and maybe good future, being taken into an organization like this on a lie is going to end badly whatever happens.

    This is maybe why it is falling apart as it is at present as the dishonesty has been repeated across many member states. Only G’ermany itself has not fully woken up to the reality.

    The fundamental dishonesty has undermined any chance of political union. That lesson has not been learned, as the UK is told that it is the problem partner, then you read in the Span!sh press that they are being told the same, and then there is G’reece who need riot police to enable the handover of the presidency.

    It seems that even when trying to do the democratic thing, the EU / Europe question for the UK damages democracy.

    Hope you get a chance to watch the debate it, or read through some in Hansard as would be interested to hear your view.

  62. 62
    Anonymous says:

    Our people? Would that be Iraqis, Syrians, Egyptians or Jordanians? Arik’s military career started in 1948. He was hit by 3 bullets at the first battle of Latrun courtesy of the British run and trained Jordanian army. He was an old style patriot and put his country first.

  63. 63

    How does one define means of production when there is no production?

    It is a problem that has worried me for years and I did not know there was a place like this where one could bring these things up.

    Thanking you in advance.

  64. 64
    Non taxable pikey says:

    As they gazed heavenwards I hope they saw P.C. Blakelock smiling down on them.

  65. 65
    Lee Kuan Yew says:

    Drug dealers need suspended sentences. I have lots of spare rope.

  66. 66
    i says:

    dany fink
    danny boy is de,ad now it’s all abt i fink that i fink this.

  67. 67
    Potato says:

    Find me a politician who hasn’t tried drugs at some level at all, and I will show you someone who spent their entire adolescence and univerrsity years as a beeelly no mates.

  68. 68
    Non taxable pikey says:

    Churchillian paws? Well he was an old imperial lion.

  69. 69

    Doubt I will get the time as things are busy here.

    However, I dare say I could write it all out from imagination and knowledge of the players.

    The interesting thing is that I would probably vote out, notwithstanding my status of being a foreign resident. That is assuming I will get a vote, a matter of some doubt, referred to by Lord Crisp and mentioned in Simon’s piece.

    If that may be indicative of an ethical approach over one’s own preferment, I leave others to judge. Maybe I am just a fool. :-)

  70. 70
    Google Translate says:

    He was also a terrorist and mass murderer. Do you know the hebrew for that?

    רוצח טרור ומסה

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  72. 72
    i says:

    david own.
    all he wants is for someone to say to him that they owe him.
    he loves ovi, the brave one. he is full of surprises. when all is said and dune he likes to switch to pickle.

  73. 73
    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    Confirmation that the UK Justice System was completely corrupted by 2003 under Labour – as per findings of Operation Tiberius:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-corruption-of-britain-uks-key-institutions-infiltrated-by-criminals-9052617.html

    Good attention to Turkish drug gangs in the article. Perhaps Dave’s motivation.

  74. 74
    The Bulgarian Ambassador says:

    Thank you for putting the tent up for my cousins. It saves me having to put them up myself – I am a bit busy this weekend.

    Do you mind showing the way to the benefit office on Monday? They are new here.

  75. 75
    White Hart Lane says:

    Allez le chat

  76. 76
    No Woman No Cry says:

    Justice and Pizza,up the workers the Socialist Workers long may they support Blessed Mark they are certain to fail

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    Dirty ole Bugger says:

    I don’t give a f*ck about Sharon, apart from when lefties whinge about their petty obsession with Israel.

    It’s high time people took the piss out of his name though.

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    Colin the Meek says:

    Very similar to Mandela.

  79. 79
    Professor Plum says:

    So what? Feckin red ed looks like he needs to be on summit himself the wonky lookin mong..

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    Universal Hiss says:

    At times I’m very simplistic.

    I see Mandleson & Kinnock are all for the EU & wish to deny me a say in something I think is of the utmost importance to my country.

    Therefore I will take the opposite view.

    Gordon Brown has put his considerable weight behind Better Together. This is a man that did untold damage to my country.

    Therefore I will take the opposite view.

  81. 81
    Dirty ole Bugger says:

    Exactly. It will be like the “no to AV” campaign all over again. Rember those leaflets sent by “lord knows who”? The ones that said “Vote no to AV or it will cost £1trillion per vote and millions of babies in incubators will die and it will be all your fault?

  82. 82
    Jimmy says:

    What’s to stop the losing side demanding another one?

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    There is a completely tortuous argument playing itself out right there.

    One issue raised for UK exit is what will happen to UK nationals who have relocated to other EU member states.

    I do not see why their interests should be affected at all: They were just fine before the EU existed, so why should they be different after ? Perhaps those folk may need to apply for citizenship, but surely their current EU citizenship is fine as it is that of those here who would be choosing to revoke.

    They should not lose their UK citizenship either – dual citizenship is tried and tested.

    Second – this is a vote for all in the UK and the ex-patriot vote is equally qualified and should be included. This issue is a major flaw with the Scottish vote IMO, and the arguments for exclusion are false.

    Seems like G’ermany is getting tough:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10561999/German-foreign-minister-attacks-brainless-Eurosceptics.html

    Cameron’s fruitcakes approach arguably helped get UKIP off the ground properly. This kind of talk is really inviting the UK to leave.

    Flawed as well as by definition as someone who is opposed to the EU is a danger to it. Politically at least as they will want to vote it away. Take away that right, then I think we see where the G’erman wants to take this ;-)

  84. 84
    The British Public says:

    A referendum is a means to an end, as indeed, voting UKIP would be.

    What we want is genuine democracy and freedom.

  85. 85
    The Late Baroness Thatcher of Pestilence says:

    You’re talking about the man I love.

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    It comes down to trust and judgement.

    For that your view is shrewd and representative.

    If the In argument is the best one, and can be assumed, why all the deceit and deception to date ?

    To your point, the country never trusted Kinnock enough to vote him in when offered the chance, and M’andelson was thrown out of the last government twice for various improprieties – out of a Blair government.

    Why should they be trusted now, and why are they so in favor ?

  87. 87
    Colin the Meek says:

    Ah, Milipede.

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    Oh Danny Boy says:

  89. 89
    Ms Beckett aged 17 3/4 says:

    When I read this I cried. I want all bennies dead

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    Auto correct says:

    Precisely like Mandela

  91. 91
    Phwooooar! says:

    Penny Mordaunt will be diving soon.

  92. 92
    Karl Marx says:

    In the capitalist system, the citizen is encouraged to work in order to obtain some small part of the wealth produced by the capitalist system. In a socialist system the “carrot” of wealth must be denied, since this would allow the citizen to aquire property which is impossible in a socialist state.

    In the socialist system, therefore, there is no incentive to work or to “produce” as you would put it, so productivity falls. However, decreasing productivity in the socialist system can be re-branded as “opposition to socialism”. It is then a simple matter to justify the replacement of the “carrot” of capitalism with the “stick” of socialism. In Russia they call it “the gulag” but other socialist states have alternate means of implementing the “stick”. Productivity then rises again to an acceptable level.

    Of course, in the socialist system there is no incentive to produce more or better, as this would require innovation and this innovation is not rewarded by gaining wealth. However, socialism is less interested in the level of wealth created and more focussed on the equality of wealth, so low levels of productivity are not a concern.

  93. 93
    The Owl Of The Remove says:

    After knocking down a kid in my car, my wife told me to turn myself into the police.

    So I bought a uniform & started shooting black people

  94. 94
    Auto correct says:

    Your statement said “claimed” .

    Not the sharpest razor blade in the drug paraphernalia are you?

  95. 95
    Halley's Comet says:

    So many of the things he said were absolutely bang on the money. He was the last of the honest politicians.

  96. 96
    Daz Sharon says:

    Don’t you dare make fun of my brother or I’ll our cousin Persil to kill you.

  97. 97
    Fred says:

    I am fan. The first one was not great but now I think they are one of the best things here. We need to know how the system works and how it fails. We need to know what goes on. This guys tells us and he writes well.

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    Tip of the day says:

    Turn it off then!

  99. 99

    Thank you so much, Karl, for your reply but you leave me even more confused than I was before.

    I read your Das Kapital, and a rip-roaring read it was too, full of suspense and drama, but when you use the words: as you would put it, that is only true by virtue of the fact that I am such a devoted disciple of yours that I took it word from word from your own blockbuster!

    So you leave my initial question unanswered. Now it would be a terrible thing for our beloved EU to be proved to have been built on a false premise and, as I am sure you are aware, your intellect is one of a colossus as compared with mine, which alas is of mere minnow proportions.

    So I really need you to answer that question, Karl, before the whole thing goes belly up!

    Respect, as the kids say now!

  100. 100
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    Is taking a “selfie” the same as having a wank?

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    Nothing like ad hominem from the opposing forces to realise that we have won the argument…

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    FFS says:

    Oh, so we didn’t know the police are corrupt and rotten to the core?

    We didn’t know that it is the police that are turning a blind eye to drug dealing because they’ve been bought off?

    We didn’t think that perhaps the reason that the police can’t find drug dealers when any other fucker can is because so many of them are bent?

    The reason Al Capone was able to sell illicit booze was because the police were bent. The reason drug dealers in the UK are able to sell illicit drugs in the UK is because the police are bent.

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    The EU In Vote Campaign... says:

    Ha da da dee da hada hada da da
    Oh, it’s no use
    Flash light
    Red light
    Neon light
    Ooh, stop light

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    Psyche the Dog says:

    There one problem as far as the comerouters are concerned, what to do if the vote actually goes against them, will they throw their toys out of the play pen and demand another vote, or accept finally the result of the poll?

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    Out of the EU now says:

    Indeed however they would have to win 327 seats and they will be lucky to win one. If Labour do get back in then now you have witnessed mandleston and Kinnock in action then there will be no escape.

    I utterly totally wholeheartedly despise the EU but I am sensible enough to understand I must not allow Labour to get in for another 5 years. If they do then its all over we will become so entrenched only war will change the situation.

    Remember Lisbon and the Traitors in Labour.

  106. 106
    Anonymous says:

    Don’t watch it because of that lefty bitcj joe brand. The one that makes racist jokes but framed carol Thatcher for an innocent private comment. She is a typical left wing scumbag and not even funny

  107. 107
    Anonymous says:

    You could have sung in a group?

  108. 108
    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    Most suspected that, but seeing it in print confirms.

    The buying off of the CPS / Court staff etc., and implication for judges (perhaps helped by the judgemental site) confirms things nicely.

    Now there is precedent for some behind fridge cleaning methinks.

  109. 109
    Psyche the Dog says:

    King David Hotel 1948?

  110. 110
    Ms Beckett aged 17 3/4 says:

    I watched the signing of the Lisbon treaty and I cried. I want all empty ink pens dead

  111. 111
    The Public says:

    In that it makes you a wanker, yes.

  112. 112
    Anonymous says:

    Where am me to get me fix now mon?

  113. 113
    bloke says:

    Yes.

  114. 114
    The Police says:

    Walking on, walking on the moon

  115. 115
    Anonymous says:

    What amazes me is having observed their party destroy this country they moan about the cost of another party. Truly socialism is a mental illness and obvious Akers you go deaf and blind because they are already dumb.

  116. 116
    Who Makes up this Shit? Ed Miliband really says:

  117. 117
    The general is is heaven, his enemies are in hell says:

    Pinochet was a hero and a good and decent man who managed to clean out extremist vermin who would have certainly gone on to set up a murderous left wing dictatorship. So a few leftists disappeared, no great loss thats for sure, a few thousand less hamas supporters.

  118. 118
    diners, drive-ins and dives says:

    A TV series inspired by the gay and lovely Tom Daley. Who’d have thunk he was gay and a pin up boy for raging poofter TV producers eh?

  119. 119
    deep throat says:

    A TV series inspired by the gay and lovely Tom Daley. Who’d have thunk he was gay and a pin up boy for raging poofter TV producers eh?

  120. 120
    Casual Observer 5 says:

    :-)

  121. 121
    Vote for EEC means says:

    If you vote for the EEC, if it ever happens, could we not all agree the House of Commons becomes a revision chamber of EEC directives etc and other business and the Lords is abolished with all members pensions perks and privileges lossed for good.

  122. 122
    The Secret State says:

    Sorry lads, we’ll get it right next time:

  123. 123
    Lewis Hamilton says:

    It’s somewhat waffley of the cock.

  124. 124
    Smith is a pleb says:

    Smith is a pleb and a not very useful one at that.

  125. 125
    BBC and hamas are as one on this issue says:

    The BBC filled with hate, almost as if the BBC and hamas were one organisation, you never see them together do you?

  126. 126
    its a mad mad mad world says:

    Why don’t you become a black policeman? Black on black is totally PC and acceptable.

  127. 127
    Ed Miliband's Parasite Party (for shirkers, not workers) says:

    “We’re going to build a better Britain together.”

    Better for sponging parasites. By order of Ed Miliband.

    You will obey.

  128. 128
    Karl Marx says:

    The point is, SC, that your original question was entirely facetious.

    You know full well that production in socialist countries never falls to zero, and therefore “defining the means of production” is not as preblematic as you suggest.

    In the socialist system production simply reaches an equilibrium depending on the desire to avoid work of the worker, the amount of violence used to “encourage” the worker to continue to produce (or perhaps I should say “to discourage opposition to socialism), and the level of human resource needed to impose that credible threat of violence compared to the number of people actually doing work.

    Given time, the workers will come to appreciate socialism , having been conditioned to that political and social structure. It may take a generation or 10, but they will get there I’m sure.

  129. 129
    Owen Jones's special-needs teacher says:

    I told you! I fucking told you!! Polonium 210 in his Ribena!

  130. 130
    fucking shyster snake oil salesmen says:

    Yeah like the case in Ireland Jimmy? When you don’t get the answer you want, hold another referendum.

  131. 131
    Charmed old chap says:

    Oh!, I hadn’t realised you and your friends hadn’t finished destroying the old better Britain, personally I would like to see Liebour hierarchy in jail awaiting trial, for 13 years of criminal behaviour whilst attempting to try to organise a piss up in a brewery ,

  132. 132
    the cats bollocks says:

    May I say that political philosophy, or philosophy of any kind, is SC’s strong point?

  133. 133
    Big Fat Bird says:

    #Straight or gay
    Everything’s A-OK
    Friendly scroungers there
    That’s where we meet
    Can you tell me how to get
    How to get to Benefits Street ?#

  134. 134
    Blowing Whistles says:

    And I said on here a few weeks ago that the pigs were part of the drug running cartels and what did I get back but a load of abuse.

    I told you – blinkered doubting Tom asses so.

  135. 135
    pork scratchings says:

    The EU is a proto-fascist federation, mark my words and despair Jimmy.

  136. 136
    Anon. says:
  137. 137
    When he murdered people says:

    He put his party first

  138. 138
    how about says:

    Build a better Britain by welcoming Romanian
    criminals at Luton airport?

  139. 139
    penny red says:

    Aren’t they just charming.

  140. 140
    Gerry Rafferty says:

    Lounging your way down on Benefit Street
    Dead in your head you put up your feet
    Well, another crazy day
    You’ll drink the night away
    And forget about everything
    This Hagen Dasz makes you feel so cold
    So many people pay for your household
    And it’s taken you so long
    To find out you were wrong
    When you thought you were everything

  141. 141
    Trash says:

    Mark Spitz, Tom Swallows

  142. 142
    Little git says:

    If that was my relative,, and that vacuous wee twat was tweeting bout it, I’d kick his fucking head in

  143. 143
    Arnold says:

    >will they throw their toys out of the play pen and demand another vote

    If they do, it’ll be because they’ve picked up the habit from the European Commission.

  144. 144
    Arnold says:

    +1, very good work IMO. I heard the telescoped version on Aljabeeba and this is better.

  145. 145
    Maggie says:

    I was never personal friends with any gays. I had strongly hetero friends like Lord Boothby, Peter Knighton and Derek Laud.

  146. 146
    Penfold says:

    “”””Oh!” may need translating. I leave that to Commentators, below.

    Indeed sir, Hunts.

  147. 147
    Penfold says:

    No, no, no I said Hunts….

  148. 148
    Penfold says:

    Oh bugger, moderation, I said c*nts

  149. 149
    Gerry Rafferty - Benefits Street cont... says:

    You used to think that it was so easy
    You used to say that it was so easy
    But you’re trying, you’re trying now
    Another year and then you’d be happy
    Just one more year and then you’d be happy
    But you’re crying, you’re crying now

    Way down the street there’s a light in his place
    He opens the door, he’s got that look on his face
    And he asks you where you’ve been
    You tell him who you’ve seen
    And you talk about anything
    He’s got this dream about buying some weed
    He’s gonna flog off an xbox, and steal what he needs
    And then he’ll settle down
    In a sofa with some brown,
    And forget about everything

    But you know he’ll always keep scrounging
    You know he’s never gonna stop sponging
    ‘Cause he’s taking, he’s taking the p!ss
    And when you wake up, it’s a new morning
    The weathers shit, and the street looks a tip,
    And you’re voting, you’re voting UKIP

  150. 150
    left wing, right wing, they're all turkeys. . says:

    To universal hiss…

    You’ve hit a whole bucket of nails on the head with 1 (or maybe 2) strokes.

    Thanks

  151. 151
    Jimmy says:

    Isn’t that what you’re asking for now?

  152. 152
    Universal Hiss says:

    Very true.

    That philosophy course I did nearly sent me madder than I am now.

    You see that red thing there? Define red & thing. How do you know what is red? Define it.What is a thing?Does this thing exist?Why are you asking me all these questions?If you answer that question who is to say if the question is valid or the answer is reasonable to the way the question is posed?Who is qualified to answer the question or indeed pose the question?& on & on……….

    It made my head hurt & didn’t help me with a deeper understanding of anything except the realisation that philosophy is not my forte. Sorry SC!

  153. 153
    Arnold says:

    @Karl

    As they used to say in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, before it ignominiously collapsed, “We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us”.

    PS: a Soviet-era joke.

    Q: What is 300 yards long and eats cabbage?
    A: The queue outside a Moscow butcher’s.

  154. 154
    No Woman No Cry says:

    Having watched Penny Mordaunt I am now retiring to my bedroom for a few moments reflection!

  155. 155
    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    No abuse from me.

    This does strengthen your hand somewhat.

    The article speaks also of the endemic corruption which exists in the CPS and court staff also, which is something you highlight.

    However, it stops short at discussing the corruption that is alleged to exist in the law firms, maybe for legal reasons ? ** Cast Iron Irony **

  156. 156
    Anon. says:

    Looks like that Labour Party idea of restricting free movement is toast.

  157. 157

    Dear, dear, Karl Marx

    You posit that my …original question was entirely facetious

    It is with great grief that, as a loyal disciple of yours, that I realise that you are now criticising your own tenets.

    You cannot possibly begin to conceive of the damage which this does to other people’s beliefs (I, of course remain a dedicated disciple to the cause…)

    My meagre position is totally worthless, you have the sheer grace to recognise that reality, but I am aghast that you should undermine your own, long-regarded, position of authority over after such a long period of international esteem.

    What are you on tonight BTW?

    @the cats bollocks

    Thank you for your kind, indeed generous, comments but I am only the under-labourer etc. (ref: John Locke and all his prefatory bollocks in the Epistle to the Reader of his Essay Concerning Human Understanding.)

  158. 158
    Essential product advice for David Cameron, Prime Minister says:

    Forget about problems you cannot deal with, like the EU, and focus on those you can, like your hair.

    Use Caboki for PMQ’s, UKIP for the EU.

    Vote UKIP

  159. 159

    Ah! But was it his first stiffy of the day?

  160. 160

    It will last all of five seconds.

  161. 161
    UKIP or bust says:

    Another good sketch, keep ‘em coming.

    I like the way he referred to Mandelson as a pig very subtle and blatant at the same time.

    I take my hat off to him having to listen to Mandelson and not feel creeped-out, and what’s more, being able to bear even one minute of the Welsh windbag speaking.
    As far as I’m concerned he deserves a medal for being able to listen to a whole speech by the traitorous hypocrite.

  162. 162
    So what? It's a Free country you socialist authoritarian says:

  163. 163
    Blowing Whistles says:

    I accept that you did not abuse NBW, I didn’t mean to point it at you. Others some of the more braincell challenged on here though – the usual riff raff who make ‘knee jerk reactions’ who don’t think for a minute or more about what they’ve just read.

    Indeed your ref to the CPS / Court staff – is relevant to the maladministration by admin staff – but don’t for one second think that the wigs are not a party ‘controlling it all’.

    The law firms – and what of the 96 (not sure of exact number at present) companies who ‘have had their names withheld’ from the public who were also deeply involved in hacking / criminal abuse and my old mentioning too many times ‘entrapment & blackmail?

  164. 164
    Universal Hiss says:

    Obviously more pinball machines are needed.

  165. 165

    Sorry UH. But:

    From what I have read of you, philosophy is entirely your forte.

    You were messing with that analytical garbage. Karl Popper did for that decades ago… but people tend not to notice such things, the more especially if their pay-check is linked with it.

    Have a look at Anglo-American Idealism. One imagines there is much with which you will agree…

  166. 166
    Truth says:

    I would imagine 99.9999% of the residents of Tottenham are well rid of Mark Duggan.

  167. 167
    The BBC gives everyone the pips says:

    But surely the BBC loves fruits ?

  168. 168
    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    No probs with me :-)

    The maladministration that was not mentioned regarding the law firms though is relevant to pleb gate.

    Didn’t M!tchell have some paperwork ‘delayed’ which meant that he was prevented from having certain matters cleared due to administrative error which prevented any chance of him returning to cabinet once he had cleared his name over the original allegations ?

    Such errors going on in the courts happen on a daily basis with their staff. Particularly nasty for the closed family courts where such errors lead to children being unnecessarily kept from their parents in many cases.

  169. 169
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Gloria yourself and facts are poles apart. You are labour therefore you lie.

  170. 170
    Blowing Whistles says:

    And Eric Hobsbawn left a considerable sum of money to Warwick Uni – well well.

    And guess who was recruited for the commie / marxist cause at Warwick Uni

    Step forward Mr on Holiday in Israel (probably receiving new orders) this / last week Michael Dugher.

    Problem is the union barons still don’t get it – They have been sucked in by the moneylenders – who essentially control the left and the right. Neat trick that and has worked for some decades – but hey ho it’s all coming out into the open now.

  171. 171
    Essential product advice for David Cameron, Prime Minister says:

    Forget about problems you cannot deal with, like the EU, and focus on those you can, like your eyesight.

    Good product review on gaming glasses from a UK teacher.

    Essential points:

    i) He gets three months off / year in order to game
    ii) Glasses for infrequent wearers will make you look a twat
    iii) They help you see your enemies if they are concealed on the gaming screen. Useful for PMQ’s.

    On a teachers salary, it is possible to spend £70 on a pair of gaming glasses.

    Leave the big issues, like the EU to UKIP, and keep working on the Angry Birds score.

    Vote UKIP!

  172. 172
    Belmarsh category A says:

  173. 173

    The thought-terminating cliché.

  174. 174
    Cat A Prisoners are: says:

    Those whose escape would be highly dangerous to the public or national security. Offences that may result in consideration for Category A or Restricted Status include: Attempted murder, Manslaughter, Wounding with intent, Rape, Indecent assault, Robbery or conspiracy to rob (with firearms), Firearms offences, Importing or supplying Class A controlled drugs, Possessing or supplying explosives, Offences connected with terrorism and Offences under the Official Secrets Act

  175. 175
    Universal Hiss says:

    Yes,you’re right,as bloody usual.

    The course was not good.The university in question does not have a good reputation for it’s philosophy department, despite it belonging to the Russell Group.(Does that mean much these days,apart for a marketing tool?)

    The Astrobiology course from the same university was excellent. I really enjoyed it.

    Perhaps I should give philosophy another go from another university.

    Strange we are talking of this.I had a mail a few days ago from the philosophy department inviting me to their new improved course.

  176. 176
    Cat A Prisoners are: says:

    Those whose escape would be highly dangerous to the public or national security. Offences that may result in consideration for Category A or Restricted Status include: Attempted murder, Manslaughter, Wounding with intent, R@pe, Indecent assault, Robbery or conspiracy to rob (with firearms), Firearms offences, Importing or supplying Class A controlled drugs, Possessing or supplying explosives, Offences connected with terrorism and Offences under the Official Secrets Act

  177. 177
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    What about a prisoner placement exchange with Russia. Send MacShane first.

  178. 178

    True!

    Look at their alumni:

    Jeffrey Archer, Ian Huntley, Ronnie Biggs, Jonathan King, Jonathan Aitken…

  179. 179
    MacShane is now in Cat C Brixton says:

    Category C Those who cannot be trusted in open conditions but who are unlikely to try to escape

  180. 180
    M102 says:

    I remember years ago just before Hammas got in, I was driving home from work listening to PM and that c’unt Hugh Sykes was wanking himself into a frenzy talking to P@lestinians about the election. That was about when I stopped listening to PM :)

  181. 181
    Jasmin 'killer' Beckett says:

    I’m allergic to cats, they make me cry. …

  182. 182
    Hear that Lefties? says:

  183. 183
    Maggie the dog says:

    parliament act end of

  184. 184
    Cool Hand MacShane says:

    There is no prison that can hold me.

  185. 185
    Blowing Whistles says:

    NBW – as somewhat stated previously (and no I will not be giving any details just yet) a case is due to come before the courts in April – the whole legal trade body know that they have a very difficult one coming at them – and the evidence is already part of the case. It only remains for the merest hint of bias from ‘one wig’ and they are all going down. Every law firm in this country is a part of the deception upon and theft from the British Public. EVERY Law Firm.

  186. 186
    The Telegraph says:

    Exclusive: 95 Tory MPs call for EU law veto

    Parliament must be given the power to veto every aspect of EU law, 95 Conservative MPs demand in a letter to David Cameron.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10566135/Exclusive-95-Tory-MPs-call-for-EU-law-veto.html

    Kinl. Why Isn’t this already the law? It is so bleeding obvious.

  187. 187
    sunderland is a labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    Is it possible to send him to a Gulag for the remainder of his sentence,its lovely news that he spent time in Belmarsh Quelle Surprise!

  188. 188
    The English Referendum says:

    Vote No, then kill it. They can’t ask again if it’s dead.

  189. 189
    לך תזדיין says:

    Go google the massacre of Damour.

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    Karl Marx says:

    Of course I am criticising my own political philosophy. They made sense in the middle of the 1800’s, but now it must be obvious how riddled with flaws they are.

    After all, I presupposed that human history started with a form of primitive communism: modern anthropologists and zoologist have now shown that is completely false. There never was a time of shared ownership. From the earliest days as primates, what could be owned was owned by a small group of alpha males, the beta males forming a middle class and with the omega males fitting in as best they can and taking the scraps from the table. Human society has always re-organised itself around this simple structure. Even communist societies degrade pretty quickly to the same structures. The Marxist view of history has been falsified right from its foundation. Human social structures do not change, only the circumstances on which they impose themselves change.

    Violence in any Marxist system becomes necessary to impose a contradictory social system on a society that refuse to conform to its structures. Conversely, the capitalist take-over of China has been achieved without a single shot fired since the underlying social order in China has reverted to nature and away from the artificially imposed structures of communism.

    I got it wrong. Apologies for any inconvenience caused,

    Karl.

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    Harris Manchester at Oxford. Only for mature students. A wonderful establishment with world class fellows. I cannot speak too highly.

  192. 192
    Universal Hiss says:

    There should be no such thing as closed courts ever.

    It’s a total abuse of nearly everything this country should hold to be dear.

    Vulnerable people can be protected from the public gaze.Any contempt of court by publishing identities by any media could be dealt with severely & by that not a two line apology on page 38.Lengthy prison sentences for editors/owners +serious fines of gross turnovers.

    It can easily be done with the will to see fairness in the justice system.

  193. 193
    sunderland is a labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    Unlike her othe colleague Dianne,Justice and Peace,abbot

  194. 194
    The British public says:

    We have a right to a referendum.
    We deserve better than being ordered around
    by a bunch of unelected foreigners.

  195. 195
    Finsbury "Fracking" Smith says:

    I hear you had some roads to look after. You only had that one job to do. One job.

  196. 196
    Gene Hunt of the Met says:

    We don’t give those ones guns do we ? Bad for image.

  197. 197
    comp kid says:

    Hunt himself went to a posh private
    school in Hampstead before Oxbridge.
    He doesn’t represent mine or my children’s
    experiences with state education.

  198. 198
    Righties says:

    I hope all the racists and homophobes here die.

  199. 199
    The British public says:

    If the Tories are serious about winning the
    next election they need to adopt this law.
    Labour are trying to re-position themselves on
    immigration-an area in which they lack complete
    credibility with voters.
    This is one issue that can’t be put on the back
    burner.

  200. 200
    Casual Observer 5 says:

    They are offering Cameron their ‘full support’.

    That’s nice of them.

  201. 201
    Lard Prescun't says:

    Let’s face it Mandelson is a global whore who would sell his grandmother for money.

    I’m not naturally malicious but I think “tramp the dirt down” will be wholly appropriate when this sleazy scumbag pops his clogs.

  202. 202
    Non taxable pikey says:

    Someone has been doing the maths in the marginals.

    UKIP for me.

  203. 203

    @KM

    Thank you for that. Truly.

    Not my place to be thanked at all. Rather, let us remember Karl Popper and his empirical falsification, to which you generously alluded but without crediting the true hero.

    One of the greatest thinkers to affect our times. Now conveniently forgotten, once his thinking sounded the death knell of communism.

    Yet that insidious cancer returns to haunt us! We think we have escaped its clutches but its surly bonds re-entangles us.

    Falsifiability, the nail in the coffin of empiricism. Don’t get me wrong, empiricism has done a lot of good in so many aspects of life. But it is now beginning to do much more harm…

    *think AGW*

  204. 204
    Casual Observer 5 says:

    That’s a suicide note, isn’t it Owen.

  205. 205
    Tristram Hunt and the Unions says:

    You are a number, not a free man. Now hold still while we tattoo that number on you.

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    I don’t know whether I can take this level of adulation.

    But I will try.

  207. 207
    There's no escape you know says:

    I hope to die too. I dread to think what state I would be in at age 150.

  208. 208
    fucking shyster snake oill salesmen says:

    Fight fire with fire, learn to be as sneaky and underhand as the Euro-fascists. Bet most of the Irish are rueing the day they were given a second chance to join the euro clusterfuck.

  209. 209
    Tachybaptus says:

    People who think that hair loss preventers work are of the same intellectual kind as Labour voters: no sense of cause and effect.

  210. 210
    FFS says:

    You’ve fucking ruined that song for me now…..

  211. 211
    Universal Hiss says:

    Don’t worry about a new Better Britain irritating phrase as Ed won’t be able to say it.

    Why do they do it? They all do it.Is it something to do with PPE degrees?Spads fresh from media studies?Focus groups?

    It’s about time there was a real shake up in the selection of MPs.

    No gender selection & guff like that.

    We need 200 MPs who have a degree in maths,physics,chemistry,biology,engineering,IT.

    200 who are business people who have run a successful business for a minimum of five years.

    50 arts graduates who can spell.

    Another 50 chosen at random sort of like jury selection.

    This won’t ever work. I know it’s silly but…..

  212. 212
    Tachybaptus says:

    PS That really is Tachybaptus, if anyone cares. [Long silence.] I used the old name by mistake as it was stored on a different browser I was using to see the video.

  213. 213
    The British Public says:

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    Cameron is toast, the EU is toast.

  214. 214
    Bleedin' Obvious says:

    They will one day, and so will you and I.

  215. 215
    The British Public says:

    Parliament has the power to veto every aspect of EU law

  216. 216
    CHD? Coronary Heart Disease perhaps says:

  217. 217
  218. 218
    Tachybaptus says:

    Calvus cras.

    (And it is crass, too. I am not very vain, but very time I see my reflection I wince a bit.)

  219. 219
    frazer says:

    Why do have to endure another wanky TV series

    a) because Tom Daley is gay and drooled over by shirt lifting TV producers?

    b) he didnt even win a gold medal ffs.

  220. 220
    Anders Behring Breivik says:

    I know of a nice island where they can all go for one of my special holidays

  221. 221
    The British Public says:

    Yes, sending him to Belmarsh was wrong. He ought to be breaking rocks in a quarry

  222. 222
    The Telegraph says:

  223. 223
    Traitor Watch says:

  224. 224
    Universal Hiss says:

    My daughter went to a rubbish comp.It was strange but about 10 people in her year were hard working & bright & helped each other.They all went on to good universitys & graduated,despite the fucking awful school.

    Her physics teacher was to be found on the golf course rather than the classroom.

    Her maths teacher admitted to me at a parents evening that although she understood pure maths she had difficulty teaching it.

    The rector resigned 2 weeks before the comp was judged as failing by all indicators.

    The school serves its purpose for the aspirations of most of the local populace.A glorified free baby sitting service.

    An utter & total disgrace.

  225. 225
    Psychologist says:

    This young lady does have a perverse fixation with death.

    One should keep an eye on her…

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/necrophiliaobsessed-girl-among-double-murder-accused-in-threeway-sex-case-8513472.html

  226. 226
    Homo Sapiens Sapiens says:

    We are all the same race. “racism” is a euphemism.

  227. 227
    Phoney Sign Languager says:

    Promise I’ll do better tomorrow.

  228. 228
    Rot In Pieces says:

    I’m pro Ìsrael but Ariel Sharon was a scumbag.

  229. 229
    The Scotland on Sunday could not be more wrong. says:

  230. 230

    When I returned to England from South West Africa, in early December, I caught the typical English cold. I felt like death warmed up and as soon as I reached my hideaway on the River Inn, I did not bother shaving any more, simply because I felt too dire.

    Not having shaved since, on the shores of the Adriatic, it has frightened the hell out of my 96 year old mother, amongst others. This is at least my fourth beard, not that I have kept them that long, but I have not sought to trim it.

    Come the summer and it will be off as I love to let the sun get to my skin, in moderate quantities. But I have discovered that, for the first time, I have a beard that looks the part. Not quite Brian Blessed but given time…

    The fact is that I have at least doubled the quantity of hair above my neck. The next priority is to arrange a better distribution…

  231. 231
    A Psychiatrist says:

    She is a Class A narcissist with sociopathic tendancies and a very poor sense of humour.

  232. 232
    Lampshade says:

    They are idiots. They don’t need to call for a right to a veto. Parliament can pass any laws it likes. They already have a power of veto. They merely need to man up and exercise it.

  233. 233
    Anon. says:

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    Yes please vote YES says:

    Here’s your hat what’s your hurry, load of rubbish, we can’t wait for a yes, if Scotland says yes, they a free, so is England free from Liebour tyranny.

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    Jimmy says:

    Pretty gruesome alright.

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    Democracy says:

    The way to find out if that is true or not is to give the English a vote on whether to keep Scotland in the UK under the current arrangements or not.

  237. 237
    Jimmy S says:

    Is she under arrest?

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    Fog in Channel.

    Continent cut off.

  239. 239
    Homo Sapiens Sapiens Neuvo says:

    Oh! No we’re not.

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    Tom Fatson says:

    That article is SEVEN years old. You are Dolly Draper and I claim my free copy of one of your dreadful ‘books’.

  241. 241
    Jimmy the Dhimmi says:

    Rat-a-tat-a-tat.

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    Parliament says:

    Starchild, Citizens of the Universe, Recording Angels.
    We have returned to claim the Pyramids.
    Partying on the Mothership.
    I am the Mothership Connection.
    Gettin’ down in 3-D

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    The Hon. Tristram Julian William Hunt says:

    Thanks, Gloria. Now get them out for the boys again.

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    Brillo says:

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    Denis MacShameless says:

    The ‘A’ in Category A stands for Arsehole. Belmarsh was totally appropriate.

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    Universal Hiss says:

    If you’re hoping for a Labour free world after Scottish separation you will be very disappointed.

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    Karl Marx says:

    Well ironically Popper believed that Marxism wasn’t falsifiable. In practice it has been falsified in so many ways!

    For instance, I proposed that it was a lie that the interests of the worker and that of the capitalist were one and the same. However, that was because I focussed on the means of production. Consumption didn’t figure highly in my theories.

    By 1930 the concept of consumption being the other half of the capitalist equation was taking center stage. By the 1950s the modern capitalist was taking not 20% of the production of the worker, but 20% of the consumption of the worker. Once that had happened, wealthier workers inevitably meant wealthier capitalists, and the two parties were genuinely both benefitting from increased wealth. That really did knock a big hole in Marxist theory and left it listing somewhat to port.

    Finally the democratisation of capital by the Reaganites and Thatcherites left Marxism without a fig-leaf. The workers siezed their opportunity to obtain real property of their own and use freely available finance to fund their own dreams of becoming capitalists. Democracy became increasingly meritocratic and the concept of “class” weakened as capitalist societies become more vertically structured.

    Looking at human history from that perspective, one would come to the conclusion that genuine primitive society with only three levels of social class, no real wealth and no real ownership has developed to modern society with multiple social classes, great wealth and extensive ownership. This is the real synthesis, largely in opposition to Marxist synthesis. Consequently Popper was wrong, Marxism has been falsified by human development.

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    EU Watch says:

    In principle yes.

    But Gordon Brown did sign all of that away when he signed Lisbon.

    The UK has been beholden to EU law since 2009 when it lost its sovereignty.

    Now sovereignty has not been lost in the minds of the electorate, as none of this was explained to them.

    This disconnect is a significant source of tension.

    Solution – restore UK sovereignty and start again, but the EU will only allow that if the UK exits.

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    Universal Hiss says:

    You don’t have it. You won’t have it.

    I wish you did. You would bite your own leg off & cause a landslide yes vote.

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    Civil Rights (Northern Ireland) (1969) says:

    Didn’t we learn that lesson in the Six Counties?

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    Tin foil top hat says:

    Which means more than half don’t give a crap.

  252. 252
    Anonymous says:

    like Mandelson and Kinnock

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    Even Lefties can't be doing with Owen says:

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    Tin foil top hat says:

    Then who would be left to vote Labour?

  255. 255
    Claire Perry says:

    Do you like kittens?

  256. 256
    Then and Now says:

    That was last time. This is this time. Big difference. Huge.

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    Nemesis says:

    Mandelson a rich socialite gay bastard who once posed as a socialist in order to gain power. Now this arrogant vile sod thinks he is above democracy and we plebs should not be given the responsibility of an EU referendum. What a fucking country this has turned out to be.

  258. 258
    Tin foil top hat says:

    Been getting too much “vibrant enrichment” from the immigrant inmates hopefully…

  259. 259
    Universal Hiss says:

    A man who couldn’t tell the difference between guacamole & mushy peas.

    I take it his main residence is not in the north of England at present?

  260. 260
    Diane Abbottomasbigasthemoon says:

    Fat?! You call that fat?? Compared to me he looks like he just crawled out of Belsen.

  261. 261
    Demos says:

    Parliament can do what it likes. It can tell the EU to fuck off at any time it likes. The signature of a single twat (now out of office) on a piece paper does not change the fundamental right of the British people to determine their own future.

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    Most of the Irish says:

    We are.
    And we don’t have a UKIP or anything remotely like it to help us.
    And until we do, we’re f*ck*d.

  263. 263
    Demos says:

    Are you a crook?

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    Duty pedant says:

    “Europe isolated”.

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    Universal Hiss says:

    I’d challenge that. I’d take a guess that 87% couldn’t give a crap.

  266. 266
    Edukation Edoocashun Edsvacation says:

    Half of them don’t even know where Scotland is.

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    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    In a free an open society closed courts have no place.

    If the courts are in camera this is expressing that society is not open.

    In the next few years it would be good to open up the family court system as the real dirt that the state has been getting up to has been concealed there.

    That is where the defenders of p’aedophiles and the social engineers who have been ripping families apart in the name of the state lurk.

    Stringing up approximately 85% of the people involved with that system would be a good move to reforming it. The damage inflicted on society will take a few generations to heal.

  268. 268
    Nigel should open an Irish Branch says:

    If Ireland pulled out at the same time as Britain, that would really strike hard at the European Project. It’s an idea which needs to be talked up, to gain traction.
    Nigel, what about an “I-IP”, to complement UKIP?

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    Dimmy Dave is the worst Prime Minister ever ! says:

    I’d offer him the chance of a quick and painless death.

    And then tell him it was only a cast-iron guarantee, and torture him to death over a period of several months.

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    Hold on KM! I have seen these claims. They don’t add up to a ball of fog. Really.

    You are coming back to haunt, as I anticipated.

    Marxism was not science. Therefore one could not expect it to be empirically verifiable. So your argument falls away.

    (I am still a strong supporter, of course!)

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    They are Bust anyway says:

    Most don’t even realise that Scotland is a country in its own right (other than England pays all Scotland’s bills)

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    EU Watch says:

    Agreed.

    But because in their minds they have given away sovereignty and have consented to that, they likely will not.

    This is where the tension is sourcing from – a fundamental disconnect between the ruling class and the people, and repeated across many member states of the EU at this point in time.

    It should resolve in favor of the people eventually, but might be a bit bumpy.

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    Congratulations!

    That is the first time ever in which I have experienced an attempt at an apocryphal event being corrected as to fact!

    Naturally, I put you to proof.

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    Slut...Godfrey Bloom says:

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    Universal Hiss says:

    I’ll just have a big sigh at that. Again,again & again.

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    Ed Balls - Shallow Chancer says:

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    Free England says:

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    The Party’s Over by Keith Sutherland, a smart guy and a friend of mine.

    Well worth a read.

    Jury system of government.

  280. 280
    White rabbit says:

    I’ve been busy. What’s happening ? Bit of trouble in Hamburg eh.

  281. 281
    Pdubya says:

    Agreed I have read most of his articles and they do throw a jaundiced journalistic eye on the appallingly bad way politicians, the public sector in general and in this case the retirement home for hangers on treat the electorate.

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    Racists and Homophobes R Us says:

    You like black cock don’t you?

  283. 283
    Parliament, Mr Wiggles says:

    I’ve gotta string attached to my thing,
    Will you pull my String ?
    I can’t do my thing like I oughta.

    Mr Wiggles here ;-)

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    HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

    For all practical purposes he’s been dead for years, longer even than was Mandela !

  285. 285
    The G-Man says:
  286. 286
    HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

    You may think that funny but if the eurotraitors can get enough chavs to believe that in a referendum…………………..

  287. 287
    A float of crocodiles says:

    Jasmin Beckett makes us want to weep.

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Man who wrote on Facebook that he’d ‘hurt someone’ is jailed for 20 years for brutally stabbing his ‘gentle giant’ neighbour to death 20 times ‘for no reason’.

    Mail on Sunday.

    This must be a record. Nineteen reincarnations

  289. 289
    Righties 45% v Lefties 49% says:

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    Problems in both Hamburg, DE and New Hamburg, Ontario.

    Take your pick.

  291. 291
    White rabbit says:

    We gave our country away very cheaply electing this..this, person.
    There’s a sort of death wish when traitorous, vain politicians such as Mandelson
    time and again get returned to power. Time we all grew up and got deadly serious.

  292. 292
    Ah! Monika says:

    Boss of Morrisons blasts schools, saying youngsters applying for jobs at the supermarket can’t spell or add up

    AND are now working for the MOS

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    Parliament says:

    Mr Wiggles the worm here,
    Coming at you from downtown Atlantis.

    This fish tail begin, where most fish tails end,
    With a school of fool fish,
    Playing hooky from school – and getting caught ;-)

    The mop and bucket affair man,
    What’cha doing fool ?
    Mr Wiggles here.

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    Don’t take the piss!

    Gentle Giant was the best prog rock band of all time, bar none!

    Whispering Bob Harris was a fan.

  295. 295
    i7g685 says:

    He was a lying, murderous piece of shite and a war criminal. I hope he was aware throughout his coma.

  296. 296
    Intellectual Pygmy says:

    Are they not of your political flavour?

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    i says:

    ed balls, with his head in the balls. he who is headball. he no,s no net.
    he so so when it comes to the wets. he like it hard.
    thrusty. him. never appears to get thirsty. his need to vote is to support ais headball.

  298. 298
    i7g685 says:

    He was a putrid scumbag and even got sacked for committing war crimes.

  299. 299
    You can not be serious Gloria says:

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    Intellectual Pygmy says:

    +1

  301. 301
    The Blue Anchor says:

    Why isn’t Cornwall included in the above chart?

  302. 302
    i says:

    jasmin beckett is a brown.
    she like to do rara when other morn.
    she of the nite.
    she no girl.

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    Parliament says:

    Mr Wiggles here,
    Swimming on past your conscious mind,

    Toilet brush protest eh ?

    Mr. Wiggles here.

    Motor Booty affair is of more concern,
    But can they can do their thing underwater ?
    Fools.

    Go wiggle ;-)

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    Did she go on to uni and, if so, what did she study?

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    Anonymous says:

    WORRIED !!! Hahahahaha
    were worried they don’t ask the question this side of the border. Can’t wait for the jocks to vote yes

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  308. 308
    i says:

    mike smithson is a son.
    he no smithy.
    he no smith and western.
    who is his daddy, .

  309. 309
    Anonymous says:

    How much lead did Kinnock have at this point?

  310. 310
    White rabbit says:

    My spies on the ground tell me it’s eviction of squatters in red light district and violent complaint about gentrification of said district. Similar problems in Stow-on-the-Wold all the time.

  311. 311

    Yes, I saw something about toilet brush protest but could not be arsed to read it. Was it just another load of MSM crap?

  312. 312
    i says:

    owen jones. he like mow. even there is no dough. he is a fixer with not a bulb in sight. he blind, will go . he lacks the will to go. he stuck and stays. he needs putting down.

  313. 313

    I am not surprised at Stow-on-the-Wold.

    Especially since that brilliant Balti house had to close there in the 1990s. The best I ever visited! The price was very reasonable too.

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    Nickolos Grithththis says:

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    Parliament says:

    Oh !
    Mr Wiggles here,
    Saying ee-tiddly-ai, I’m talking about,
    Go Wiggle y’all !

    From the ocean comes the notion,
    That Ed Balls is a motion,
    Who cannot do his thing underwater.

    Check him out,
    He can slide between the molecules like an eel through seaweed,
    One slithering idiot.

    Mr Wiggles the worm here.

  316. 316
    BBC up to their normal lies again says:

    Up to 500 people have attended a vigil for Mark Duggan outside Tottenham police station.

    Looks like no more than a 100 on the photo and quite a few of those are crowd control and plod

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    i says:

    nick sutton of the hutton blenders. don,t expect much ado about nthing. he will disappoint.

  318. 318
    WinkleStrassa says:

    Out out out

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    i says:

    ariel sharon. whiter than white.
    he shy like sharon to the end.
    did he die or did he survive.
    why did he need a coma when a single coat would have dunn,

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    Karl Marx says:

    Marxism is not science but then neither is history, but claimed historical fact can be disproved by the emergence of new indisputable observations.

    I stated that early humans existed in a co-operative community with shared ownership: it has been observed that this is a false statement.

    I stated that socialism was the inevitable replacement of capitalism: it has been observed that this is a false statement.

    I stated that the goals of the capitalist and the goals of the worker contradict each other: it has been observed that this is a false statement.

    I stated that proletarian revolution was inevitable: it has been observed that this is a false statement.

    I claimed that the workers being subject to capitalism was a result of their conditioning, and that being exposed to socialism for generations would convert them to a permanent belief in socialism: it has been observed that this is a false statement.

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    Parliament says:

    Mr Wiggles here, your DJ for the affair,
    Making my ladies squirm, like a bionic worm,
    We’ll be going down and not coming up for air ;-)

    (Turn the worm)

    The Motor Booty affair, that is the big one,
    And meet Mr Wiggles the worm.

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    Intellectual Pygmy says:

    It is bollocks anyway.

    Most of the political class and their beneficiaries assume that because you don’t have the time or inclination to read the minutiae of this or that aspect of the EU, you are by default incapable of deciding whether the EU is anti democratic for instance. I don’t need to look at the details to know that the leaders are chosen without a democratic vote. That is anti democracy.

    If you are pro unelected leaders you are anti democracy, it is that simple. It should be for the supporters of the EU to explain to the rest of us why democracy should be discarded.

  323. 323
    i says:

    tristram has a tryste with destined. he who is destined to fail.

  324. 324
    Parliament says:

    The motor booty where they shake their rump,
    The motor booty where they funk

    Living and jiving and digging the shit their in.

  325. 325
    White rabbit says:

    Are you the chief honcho for the Polari dating agency ?

  326. 326
    From Port Stanley says:

    You Argie twat! Leave us alone!

  327. 327
    i says:

    no matter what Glorio says, she is destined to be glorious. shw will glow in the dark. she is a worm. must be something in her genetic jeans.

  328. 328
    Intellectual Pygmy says:

    I listened to the LBC phone in about the EU referendum yesterday tea time. They managed to finally drag out somebody who claimed to be a foreigner indispensable to Britain. She said the EU was great because we would suffer if she was made to go home. The presenter failed to point out that if she was indispensable, as she claimed, we would be offering her work under the current visa system anyway.

    Apart from her the only person who said he would vote yes was Red Ken and even he had reservations and said he was worried about the loss of trade.

  329. 329
    Parliament says:

    Living and jiving and digging the skin he’s in,
    Rumpelstiltskin,

    Rumpelstiltskin,

    You’re a fish, I’m a water sign…

  330. 330
    Jack Ketch says:

    This was more or less the proposal of Sir Oswald Mosely. He wanted MPs to represent “functional constituencies”, i.e. Business, Teachers, Unions, the Arts etc. The politicians of the day had him vilified and locked up.

  331. 331
    White rabbit says:

    No that’s a onesie

  332. 332
    Not R D Laing says:

    Bob Harris ? Cool !

  333. 333
    Parliament says:

    Can he dance underwater, and not get wet ?

  334. 334

    No. It definitely wasn’t Winkelstrasse. In fact, I don’t even recall a Winkelstrasse in Stow-on-the-Wold, but naturally stand to be corrected.

    This was in the premises situate where the Digbeths Licensed Café and Bistro is currently established in Digbeth Street, next door to the Royalist Hotel.

    My first ever Balti. It was magic!

  335. 335
    Parliament says:

    I’ve got a string attached to my thing,
    Will she pull my string ?
    I can do my thing, underwater.

    Mr Wiggles, the worm, here.

  336. 336
    Floating Voter says:

    If a desire to vote Labour is indicative of mental illness, can I use that fact to claim disability benefit?

  337. 337
    i says:

    tom delaeli
    he is stern when it cmes to his laeli.
    he does his mantras before the isR.ælis.
    he shweet in the pushi, he no ali.

  338. 338
    i says:

    ayatollah likes.

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    Intellectual Pygmy says:

    Could you imagine Kinnock, Blair, Brown or Mengelson taking up arms to fight for Britain?

    “Let me see your war face!”

    “I’m a great supporter of the European Union. And I know bravery thank you very much. I read about in a book!” Said Gordon.

  340. 340

    You are really taking this badly and it concerns me.

    It is not possible for one to prove anything, only to disprove what has been posited.

    But communism did great stuff, don’t forget it, please. It put a dog into space. It did something else which escapes me for a moment.

    Actually, they also did have quite a good medical system in Russia and the satellite states. True, there was nothing on the shelves in the shops, I saw that with my own eyes. But it made stocktaking so easy.

    You should really try and look on the positive aspects…

  341. 341
    Intellectual Pygmy says:

    In theory a great idea. Until you remember that manifestos are worthless and generally ignored.

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    FFS says:

    Yes, I came to the same conclusion years ago. At least to monitor and dismiss rogue careerist MPs even if not to actually be part of the executive.

  343. 343
    Parliament says:

    Shine ! Sun shine mong. Liquid sunshine.
    Sun shine. Sun shine mong. Liquid sunshine.

    – No more pencils, no more books. No more teachers dirty looks.
    – Here comes Ow-en.

    Shine ! Sun shine mong. Liquid sunshine.

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    Intellectual Pygmy says:

    And batting for the global left we have Chairman Mao, Pol Pot and every stony faced cnut who ever run the Soviet Union.

    I won’t bother working out how many people these feckers killed because really anything more than one is a statistic.

    You nasty two faced murderous bastards.

  345. 345
    i says:

    no matter what anyone says it is all about the lee. and oh boy, does he like to tear. shed no tear for the tear for it does what it is told.

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    Balls – Alexander.

    Labour have denied it!

    Therefore it must be true.

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    It also kills the lobby system stone dead.

  348. 348
    FFS says:

    Nothing wrong with a big ass, however, it would appear she has a big waist too.

  349. 349
    FFS says:

    ..and don’t forget that the judges have already sided with the EU some time before even Lisbon. Which means they will find any MP guilty of contravening EU law should he be brought to court. Not sure who would bring him to court though.

  350. 350
    FFS says:

    I took a look on google images earlier today and couldn’t see more than a dozen. The same group of people are photgrpahed from multiple angles but you can always see one poster referring to roger sylvester.

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    FFS says:

    I’m guessing the Duggan family forgot that the riots were sparked by the belief spread by the Duggan family that Mark Duggan was an all round good egg and family man that wouldn’t dream of carrying a gun.

    Now everyone knows he wasn’t quite like that the community is now sending the Duggan family a new message: “Fuck him”.

  352. 352
    FFS says:

    Oh there is one thing that Marxism did achieve, and it is a very important thing. It alludes to the “dog in space” thing. Because what did the capitalists do when they saw a dog in space? They put a whole man on the moon.

    That’s the one thing Marxism achieved. It made capitalism up its game.

  353. 353
    cheche says:

    How dare you attack the veracity of the BBC. Its says “up to” so any where between zero and …………”

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    Intellectual Pygmy says:

    @Universal Hiss.

    One argument is the loss of trade. They always say we will lose trade, they just call it jobs, far more provocative a term.

    Ask them how they believe Germany will respond to losing its most important export customer for German automobiles? Five out of ten of the best selling cars in Britain in 2012 were built by the German car industry.

    Ask them what provisions Merkel has made to protect Mercedes, Audi, Volkswagen and Porsche from the loss of sales to the UK? She will protect them, have no doubt.

    Now spend a moment thinking about the manufacturing output of German engineering companies selling to Britain.

    The Germans need us and they will NEVER allow the EU to fuck up their access to our markets.

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    Intellectual Pygmy says:

    I started smoking pot at the tender age of fourteen. It wasn’t my fault, it was my mates brothers fault for leaving his stash in his sock drawer. Nasty drug pedaling bastard tried to restrict my human rights and twat me for smoking his shit. Fuck him.

    I bet I’ll never get a job in my life for smoking that nasty pot!

    Apart from the fact that I have spent the last ten years working for the US Department of Defense.

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    Alice says:

    Not only simplistic, but inconsistent.
    You want the UK out of the EU yet you want to be in an “Independent” Scotland that would surely be sunk in the EU cesspit.

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    A broken crayon says:

    It fuckin’ needs SHOUTING from the rooftops that Brown had already been voted OUT OF OFFICE when he snuck away in the dead of night to put his crayon mark on that document.

    He had not a scrap of legitimacy to do so – so that means, in words even a Liebore thickie might understand, that his signature is totally invalid and of no consequence, so can be ignored. The UK is not legally Party to the Treaty.

    Why are our Parliamentarians and Press/TV perpetuating this disgusting deceit on the British people? When is this bloody revolution we keep hearing about going to start?

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    Since you ask... says:

    Probably Euro Area 15K, reserved for the over 120s and located somewhere north east of the Danube.

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    Since you ask... says:

    You must all remember that there were lots of folk from Croydon just a long the road watching a football match. Now, I am not suggesting that any of them might like to wreak a little revenge on those basically responsible for the burning of large parts of their ‘hood’ down, but…….

  361. 361
    Bendit says:

    She also has hyper-mobile joints. Look at her right elbow. Maybe she can cross her ankles behind her head. We may never know.

  362. 362
    Porky Pickles and Fatty Soames says:

    Not in our league.

  363. 363
    Ecomentalism kills says:

    And dredging of the rivers was stopped by the green taliban ecomentalists, they always seem to escape any blame.

  364. 364
    Mr Potato Head says:

    If the plebs should not be allowed a vote on Europe how come the same plebs are allowed a vote on the UK every five years?

  365. 365
    HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

    DID HE SIGN IT WITH A CRAYON?

  366. 366
    HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

    Or the Isle of Wight ?

  367. 367
    HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

    They want their independence back the fascist bastards!

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    We're all doomed says:

    I can’t bear confused homophones.

  369. 369
    Guido Fawkes says:

    Getting rid of this government would be the best way, but not by voting UKIP as they’d only form a coalition with the Tories, making a bad situation worse.

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    No justice, no grease says:

    What are you talking about? Mark was a decent man. Just because he had a gun on him doesn’t mean he was a crook. He could’ve bought that gun for many reasons. He might have been on his way to a children’s football match and was planning to use the gun as a whistle. Or he might’ve been on his way to a Wild West reenactment show. Just because he was a known gang member of the Man Dem gang doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good guy. He was father to six children by nine women. That proves he was a good family man.

  371. 371
    Mr Potato Head says:

    “Ed Balls and Shadow Foreign Secretary Douglas Alexander had to be ‘dragged apart’ when they almost came to blows during a blazing row, it was revealed last night.
    Former Cabinet Minister Tessa Jowell was forced to intervene, saying she feared the Labour rivals were about to get into a ‘fisticuffs’.
    The dust-up happened when the Shadow Chancellor and Mr Alexander clashed in a private room in the Commons over the party’s policy on Europe.”

  372. 372
    Mr Potato Head says:

    All the Liblabcons are traitors. Only UKIP will get the UK out of the clutches of the corrupt, unelected of Brussels. And if the Tories couldn’t care less who runs this country for the next five years, why should I?

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    H a r r y H i l l says:

    There’s only one way to settle this

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    Rickytshirt says:

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    Chuka Spear says:

    Jack straw on the Telly with a Spear over his Fireplace. Wonder what the history is behind that.

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    Me And Hers says:

    Common sense says if you don’t dredge then river silts up and moves like it has always done ever since rain was invented.

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    Basic Basics says:

    Flood Plains are river silt.

  378. 378
    Bennie from Crossroads. says:

    Miss Diane, Miss Diane!

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    -__- says:

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    Elsie Hargreaves 5 Railway Terrace Dewsbury says:

    Tell her to forget about sex and posing about.

    Get into her office and get working on the economy and finding three million new jobs for the people she represents.

    After all that is what she is paid for isn’t it.

  382. 382
    Elsie Hargreaves 5 Railway Terrace Dewsbury says:

    Can he point us in the direction of the draft UK BIll of Rights his Party mentioned before the last Election?

  383. 383
    Yes Who Hogan Hyphen Howe says:

  384. 384
    altruism in industry says:

    the aging pufta
    jumps into the pool
    plop

  385. 385
    Phil from Pentonville says:

    One way of reducing the Prison population is this.

    All prison sentences of under say 12 months are automatically suspended.

    If you are convicted before the Courts again within say a ten years period then you go to jail without early release.

    What are his views on this ?

  386. 386
    If we are one nation why haven't we a vote in the Scottish referndum says:

    Turned on tv, Clegg spouting his usual rubbish, we are a family of nations, Scotland and England and in November ?, we have the Scottish referendum, family of nations and Scottish referendum, surely that in it’s own right is a load of bollocks.

  387. 387
  388. 388
    Labour divided over Europe and fisticuffs says:

    Just reading abou the balls /Alexander bust up over Europe.mentioned in seen elsewhere. We are finished if this lot get back in and Labour are still 9 % ahead FFs

    Labour is the nasty party and always have been.

    The only hope is that this is derailing the election preparations for Labour

    Vote anyone but Labour

  389. 389
    Tim Farron says:

    Does anyone listen to him anymore?

  390. 390
    Guido Fawkes says:

    In Eric Morcambes words “keep going you fool”

  391. 391
    Gordon McFuckwit Bust says:

    I saved the world you know..

  392. 392
    Big Mac says:

    Beware of wee Scotch.

  393. 393
    Rob Roy says:

    If us Scots get our freedom and fall flat on our bottoms the problem will be ours.

    That there might be a few initial teething problems and possibly reduced living standards is not really the issue.

    It is where future generations will be in 50/100 years time and things can hardly be any worse than they now are.

    It will bring a fresh level of competition which the English will never have seen on their own doorstep.

  394. 394
    Ms Beckett aged 17 3/4 says:

    I read this and I cried. I want all washing powders dead.

  395. 395
    Oscar from Reading says:

    Nice one Phil!

    it just goes to show that if you think about things you can come up with practical solutions which don’t mean more taxes.

    The problem with all the MPs is they are obsessed with their own expenses and pensions and what is on the menu in the Commons Diner.

  396. 396
    Fatbot says:

    Wacccisssssttttttt!!!

  397. 397
    Glasgee kiss from a poisoned dwarf says:

    Ay aw fooking av Ye yea ken

  398. 398
    at this point in time says:

    that’s a very good question.

  399. 399
    Rob Roy says:

    We Scots have more sense than to possibly risk our futures to Balls Alexander and Labour.

    This is why we are going to vote for independence .

  400. 400
    Jonny Divers says:

    All the leading Westminster MPs are going around frightening the Scots that they will lose out big time if they go independent?

    Why on earth would they do that? Why would they want to go on subsidizing us Scots ?

    It makes no logical sense so I am voting for independence.

  401. 401
    Mr Potato Head says:

    A labour government would indeed be a disaster. The Tories only hope is to ditch Cameron and put a euro-sceptic in charge. If they can’t be arsed to do this then why should anyone change their vote from UKIP to Tory, no matter how many seats Labour get?

  402. 402
    Mr Potato Head says:

    Good for you. What a pity the English don’t get a vote to get rid of the Scots as well. But the English never get a vote on anything of importance. Every general election results in a Liblabcon government.

  403. 403

    The logical flaw in that argument may be expressed thus:

    How did mankind manage to make any progress at all before Marxism’s benevolent effects visited it? ;-)

  404. 404
    Anonymous says:

    Like a wavering mirage viewed by world-weary UK voters amid the heat-stricken Westminster political desert, the much-promised EU In or Out referendum shuffles to and over the distant horizon with hypnotic regularity. No matter what the outcome of such a referendum I fear a result would be foisted upon us similar to that of the proposed new incinerator to be built up there in far-flung deepest Norfolk. The people of Norfolk solidly voted against it, and the government withdrew proposed tax-payer funding, but the irate folks of Norfolk will still be stuck with it, because the previously agreed cancellation of contract compensation terms would cripple the local council’s finances. I find it difficult to imagine that no similar crippling compensation terms would apply if we all voted to leave the EU

  405. 405

    Sì, ma dove sono le tette?

    ( . ) ( . ) :-o

  406. 406
    FFS says:

    Largely by accident

  407. 407
    I hate socialists. says:

    Go back to Bagdad.

  408. 408
    I hate socialists. says:

    Plus 1 million.

  409. 409
    FFS says:

    The concernI have is our government is so corrupt Scotland will get independence but will still be able to elect MPs to Westminster AS WELL!

  410. 410
    Private Pike says. says:

    Easily fixed. Come and collect your money if you think you are hard enough.

  411. 411
    sunderland is a labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    Let the Jocks vote for independence,but no more devolution of powers to Edinburgh as a sop.

  412. 412
    sunderland is a labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    Mama Mia.

  413. 413
    The Late Baroness Thatcher of Pestilence says:

    As I’ve explained before, some sound chaps in the Khmer Rouge. I would hardly have supported them otherwise would I?

  414. 414
    Jack Ketch says:

    If then Scots vote for independence and all the jocks in England are deported or imprisoned can we please keep Andrew Niel and Kirsty Young?

  415. 415
    HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

    The English voters are in the main desperate to be rid of Scotland, right away it rids us of about 41 labour MPs, not to mention the SNP grievance mongers in Westminster who so often vote with them.

  416. 416
    Anonymous says:

    Terrorism is merely acts of violence against the people, for publicity. It achieves nothing other than misery for innocents – all terrorists are scum.

    Revolution, on the other hand, …

  417. 417
    Dave (no relation) says:

    I like them, they are well-written, informative and amusing.

  418. 418
    Ozzie says:

    Shaaaaaaaaarrrrrrroooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn !!!!

  419. 419
    Dave (no relation) says:

    Indeed.

    We do not need to be a qualified vets to know that we do not want to be savaged by a pit-bull.

  420. 420
    Dave (no relation) says:

    yes there is a redundant ‘a’ there, bloody microsoft keyboard ;-)

  421. 421
    Dave (no relation) says:

    @ Jimmy “Isn’t that what you’re asking for now?”

    Nobody under the age of 57 has been able to have a vote on it.

  422. 422
    Dave (no relation) says:

    Stephen Fry and Eddie Izzard wanting AV was enough to make most people vote against it, just to piss them off.

  423. 423
    komrade watch says:

    Fuck off with your stupid lies about Thatcher.

    What is even the fucking point? It is easily checked.

    Fucking lefty simpleton.

  424. 424
    Grow a pair and vote UKIP says:

    If Labour did get in, then it would make the tories sort their shit out and get a proper conservative leader, for the next GE. More people might be persuaded to vote UKIP, also.

    We may lose a battle in 2015 but the war would not be over.

    Only a vote for UKIP makes sense now.

  425. 425
    Anonymous says:

    wanker

  426. 426
    Let's get offended on everyone else's behalf says:

    What’s the problem? She could always have said no. It’s a woman’s right to determine her posing.

  427. 427
    Lefty skum watch says:

    The true face of the “caring” left.

  428. 428
    The Late Baroness Thatcher of Pestilence says:

  429. 429
  430. 430
    Mrs Trellis (relocated) says:

    or 33 Acacia Gardens, Utoxeter!

  431. 431
    Not a Labour MP says:

    When are you going to bring back the death penalty for treason?

  432. 432
    Tommy wommy Watson says:

    A bit chunky but not in my league.

  433. 433
    21st century boy says:

    Prog rock? That was a short-lived music category last century, wasn’t it?

  434. 434
    BBC Wankers says:

    “Up to 500″

    Includes 0, 1, 2, 3 …

  435. 435
    Enriched 'Enry says:

    It is there to remind him to rub your face in diversity.

  436. 436
    not sayin' anything, like, but ... says:

    Plod was, was he not, a member of the plod union?

  437. 437
    McMentalissimo says:

    Can you quite if you’re ex already?

    Hoots’n’jings it’s confusing.

  438. 438
    McMentalissimo says:

    och nae! Ah’ve added an e!

  439. 439
    nicknameamundo says:

    Indeedamundo

  440. 440
    komrade watch says:

    Are you a complete fucking retard?

  441. 441

    True, that is your normal best.

  442. 442
    Not R D Laing says:

    ’tis music for people who aren’t afraid to think for themselves.

  443. 443
    The Late Baroness Thatcher of Pestilence says:

    It’s called dementia and there’s no need to be personal young man

  444. 444
    Omar Shamshoon says:

    You are right – but please remember that Kinnochio went off to Brussels on a crusade of reforming it and circumventing and even remedying corruption and hypocrisy.
    He ended up not only joining the unelected crony club and doing absolutely nothing, but became top pig in the dungheap of corruption and hypocrisy.
    Of the two I give the benefit of wisdom to Mandleson only because he operates more in the real world than Kinnochio.

  445. 445
    Joe Public. says:

    Seem the readers in approval of these articles is about 100 to 1.
    Who are these others? Probably lefty loon trolls.

  446. 446
    BBC Radio 4 Toady and News Programmes says:

    Hold on it is warmer there than in the UK and we in the lofty new reaches of the BBC could do with further “working” holidays.
    After all we did Mandela to death so why not a BBC enemy like Sharon?
    We will have no problem visiting Gaza and even finding Israili’s who opposed Sharon, and if not we will use actors as normal.

  447. 447
    Dave's keyboard. says:

    Not my fault you fool

  448. 448
    Cor Blimey says:

    And there was I thinking you were going to finish with “spent the last ten years” in Broadmoor.

  449. 449
    Cor Blimey says:

    Going, going, GONE.

  450. 450
    Just Saying says:

    I would rather Wales get independence than Scotland.
    England would then be inundated with Taffies and only the English hating bigots would stay – about 50% of their population.

  451. 451
    Red Ed Millibandwagon says:

    We have TOTAL UNITY in our one nation Liebour Party.

  452. 452
    Tessa Jowell - she who cannot add up says:

    I had to seperate these two hunks who were fighting over me.

  453. 453
    Cor Blimey says:

    Probably an assegai that reminds him of his future disembowelment for incompetence.

  454. 454
    Big Momma says:

    Don’t have to look further than Plod Lefty Union.

  455. 455
    Any Mouse says:

    ………and so it should be. Foreigners!

  456. 456
    (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

    You’ve not inconsiderably lowered in my estimation, Mr. Carr, merely for saying “That’s something skeptics should take more seriously. Their poll lead is not decisive. And the consequences of leaving, when laid out one by one, are impressive.” That places you right alongside the detested Beeboids and Guardianistas who would sell us into slavery!


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