January 10th, 2014

Lords EU Referendum Debate Running Order

Main business

European Union (Referendum) Bill – Second Reading – Lord Dobbs


L Dobbs

L Liddle

L Strathclyde

B Falkner of Margravine

L Hannay of Chiswick

L Crickhowell

L Radice

L Roper

L Kakkar

L MacGregor of Pulham Market

L Mandelson

L Taverne

L Howell of Guildford

L Turnbull

L Garel-Jones

L Grocott

L Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay

L Owen

L King of Bridgwater

L Kinnock

L Shipley

M Lothian

L Willoughby de Broke

L Finkelstein

B Quin

L Bichard

L Vinson

L Monks

L Tugendhat

B Liddell of Coatdyke

L Hennessy of Nympsfield

L Wakeham

L Anderson of Swansea

L Crisp

B Oppenheim-Barnes

L Giddens

L Wigley

L Balfe

L Foulkes of Cumnock

B Suttie

B Hooper

L Whitty

L Jay of Ewelme

L Inglewood

L Tomlinson

L Armstrong of Ilminster

B Browning

L Harrison

L Stoddart of Swindon

L Spicer

B Goudie

L Watson of Richmond

L Cormack

L Davies of Stamford

L Bowness

L Lea of Crondall

L Selsdon

L Grenfell

L Kerr of Kinlochard

E Dundee

L Berkeley

L Thomas of Swynnerton

L Howe of Aberavon

B Farrington of Ribbleton

L Teverson

L Lawson of Blaby

L Triesman

B Warsi

L Dobbs


  1. 1
    EC1 PhD says:

    Nice to see BBC balance on R4 between the Dobbs interview and Mandelson

  2. 2
    Anonymous says:

    Oh this will get through in the permitted time, no problem!

  3. 3
    Susanne says:

    BBC Radio 4 Toady this morning interrupted Lord Dobbs constantly.

    I notice that Lord Mandelson was allowed to speak uninterrupted, unchallenged & without being hectored.

    The BBC is a disgrace – it does not even notice its own prejudice & bias anymore – it is merely who they are – pro EU anti, anti democracy & anti Britain.

    I was genuinely shocked this morning at that piece – subtle, but quite sinister & dark in its propaganda.

  4. 4
    Liar.Politicians says:

    Most interested in Mandelslime contribution.

    Will he declare his vested interest in keeping the EUSSR going?

  5. 5
    P.Mandevilson, the Eminence Greasy says:


  6. 6
    Lord Haw Haw says:

    Should we allow real democracy and let the people have their say in the most important issue facing this country since World War II?

    No – the plebs don’t know their arse from the elbow.

    Lord and Ladies, I recommend that real democracy should never be allowed.

    Pip Pip!

  7. 7
    Poor form says:

    I noticed Mr Shinyface Uminna was allowed to talk over everyone last night on QT. terribly rude and ill mannered.

  8. 8
    vile labour ruined my wife says:

    ‘Mr Shinyface’

    and you call people rude and ill mannered you wanker.

  9. 9
    RomaBob.... Beeg Issue, Beeg Issue! says:

    Blah blah blah blah expenses blah blah blah………… entitled and ennobled!

  10. 10
    ukip.i.am.not says:

    All at £300 a pop.

  11. 11
    Ian Smith says:

    Universal Credit will be delivered on time and on budget.

  12. 12
    vile labour ruined my wife says:

    i can’t wait for UKIP to get no MP’s and the date for this referendum to be set.

    then hopefully we can see the end, one way or the other, of all this tedious obsession with the EU

    what will the point of UKIP if this bill is passed?

  13. 13
    vile labour ruined my wife says:

    what will be the point that should say.

  14. 14
    Chuka ( you can call me Harrison ) Urmunneyaround says:

    Vince Cable, the Sage of Twickenham ??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !! I won’t allow him in my Cabinet in 2015.

  15. 15
    vile labour ruined my wife says:

    people who say EUSSR = morons

  16. 16
    Jabba Le Chat says:

    Which face was shinny?

  17. 17
    Liar.Politicians says:

    It doesn’t matter if the peers pass the bill, you cannot bind a future government. The private members bill is meaningless, and Cameron knows it.

  18. 18
    Bernie Hogwash says:

    Who elected this lot?

  19. 19
    IBS says:


  20. 20
    Reality Check says:

    But, but George Osborne and his glove puppet Fat Guido told me France and the Eurozone generally are totally fucked and the UK powering ahead, like the good old days of the 80s under Saint Maggie and Lawson’s debt-financed housing price boom?:

    ‘Surprise fall in UK manufacturing output’

    UK manufacturing output Oct ’13 to Nov ’13: flat, no change.

    Germany manufacturing output Oct 13 to Nov 13: +3.0%

    Sweden industrial output Oct 13 to Nov 13: +5.7%

    UK manufacturing output 2008 to 2014: -10%

    Germany manufacturing output 2008 to 2014: +5-10%

  21. 21
    Gordon Brown says:

    Hoots Mon, I canna wait until I am an Ex Lord.

  22. 22
    Liar.Politicians says:

    Oh boo hoo, I’ll go sulk now at your “insult.”

  23. 23
    Major Burns. says:

    I agree people should not be rude about Spearchuka.

  24. 24
  25. 25
    In Vitro says:

    people who say ‘people who say EUSSR = morons’ = Socialist bedwetters

  26. 26
    Evan Davis is a quisling cunt says:

    Evan Davis talking to Peter Mandelson on R4 this morning.

    Evan Davis: “How stupid would Ed Miliband be if he were to call a referendum on EU membership?”

  27. 27
    Paniagua V5 says:

    Does the L stand for Liar?

  28. 28
    Herman van Rompuy, unelected president of Britain, says:

    Who voted for you?

  29. 29
    retardEd Miliband says:

    Cotht of living cwithith.

  30. 30
    Mr Potato Head says:

    What is the point of Westminster now the country is being run by the unelected of Brussels?

  31. 31
    Lord Pantsdown of Cheating-sub-Normal says:


  32. 32
    Getting the champers out says:

    Has he croaked?

  33. 33
    The Menu says:

    L is for Lunch

    B is for Breakfast

  34. 34
    snotrocket says:

    Susanne: You beat me to it! Unfortunately, there were two things going against Dobbs, other than the constant interrupts: He blathered about how he would vote, rather than being decisive; and when Davies interviewed Manglebum, it was just two luvvies having a circle jerk.

  35. 35
    Mr Potato Head says:

    I think you will find that from 2008 to 2010 the UK was still being vandalised by Labour.

  36. 36
    EU Watch says:

    With the strength of GBP at the moment, and explicit lack of inward investment and restrictions in loans to UK business, it is not surprising that UK manufacturing is crashing.

  37. 37
    Pig caught out! says:

    London police officer admits misconduct in public office over ‘plebgate’ incident and offers to resign

  38. 38
    Scandal says:

    Bernard’s Boy’s finally got him.

  39. 39
    David Osborne and George Cameron says:

    That is why we are now engineering a new house price bubble!

  40. 40
    The Public says:

    Sack him. No pension.

  41. 41
    Anonymous says:

    I thought it should read *T*hat will be the point of UKIP

  42. 42
    Brussels Sprout says:

    Good point!

  43. 43
    P l e b says:


  44. 44
    Common Purpose Witch says:

  45. 45
    Lateral Thought says:

    No. A R’oma gang have just stolen his bike.

  46. 46
    The Ruling Class says:


    Fuck you.

  47. 47
    The 1922 Committee says:

    PC Keith Wallis(Plebgate) to be sentenced on 6 February.

  48. 48
    Dobby the Ho use says:

    I love the concept of creepy people, who I never had any say over, lording it over me and controlling what I do.

  49. 49
    V53 says:

    We found his gun was found 20 feet away.

  50. 50
    Paniagua V5 says:

    You have to admire the man, when he sees even his own demise as a Photo-op.

  51. 51
    Evryone in the EU says:


    EU ----------> direction of travel --------> dustbin of history.

  52. 52
    A Penguin says:

    Where is Baroness Scotland on that list? She is supposed to tbe an expert on the self-determination of the British people. Why else did she go all the way to the Falklands to lecture them on democracy?

  53. 53
    "Kral" says:

    Let us decide instead of these expense-claiming “Lords” who seem about as accountable as an EU Kommisar

  54. 54
    himindoors says:

    I loved Mandelslime’s fearful comparison of a referendum as a lottery. It was at this point Davies, if he had any glimpse of a shred of journalistic integrity should have kicked in with the question “But surely that’s Democracy?” I wasn’t holding my breath.

  55. 55
    Lord Fawkes says:

    I’m just too busy to tweet ;)

  56. 56
    Victor Spirescu says:

    I will pressure wash you for only five English pounds Mr Vaz.

  57. 57
    Herman van Rompuy, unelected president of Britain, says:


  58. 58
  59. 59
    Reality Check says:

    And the vandalising was continued and ramped up further under the continuity occupation regime of ‘international financiers’ based in The City from 2010 to date. They’re all the fucking same. They are all blackmailed, pervert puppets, working for the destruction of our country, through mass immigration and the destruction of the family.

  60. 60
    Unimportant member of the public says:

    Liberal/socialist members of an unelected chamber doesn’t want “the people” to express their will – quelle surprise!

  61. 61
    OED says:

    Like a shin.

  62. 62
    Anonymous says:

    There are a lot of Ls, but the less said about the Bs the better.

  63. 63
    Grand Master says:

    As it was written


  64. 64
    P l e b says:

    Who will decide if the Royal Mail privatisation was ‘botched’ and if found so, who will be sacked?

  65. 65
    Evan Davis is a quisling cunt says:

    You could actuallly feel the contempt that Mandelson has for the electorate oozing out of the radio this morning.

  66. 66
    Mark Duggan, OG, Original Gangsta says:

    Let me gank him with my Man Dem gang. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrap!

  67. 67
    EU Loony Watch says:

    I propose that half a million English people all decide to turn up in Luxembourg and strip the rooves from their churches and litter the place with beer cans. And demand that the Luxembourgers pay for the experience.

    She will then be able to judge what it feels like to be invaded and whether the ill effects of uncontrolled immigration are a ‘myth’ or not.

  68. 68
    British media says:

    Strong pound = good thing, at least to sell to the plebs, for their summer holidays in Spain.

  69. 69
    Herman van Rompuy, unelected president of Britain, says:

    Excellent, my little poodle, excellent!!

    You are well trained. That is good.

    Please thank your faux-government on my behalf for the fifty eight million pounds they sent me this morning.

    I promise to spend it well.

  70. 70
    Call me Dave, A total utter failure says:

    As part of my pink strategy I will replace the L’s with T’s then there will be ‘Tops’ and ‘Bottoms’ – Lovely

    And with all the members of the house of Lords they will be able to form a quite large circle.

  71. 71
    Vaz immigraion Services. Bucharest to London express says:

  72. 72
    Sex-obsessed person says:

    What about the birds?

  73. 73
    Vince Cable is a corrupt bastard says:

    It does smell a bit like Mr. Browns Gold selling strategy of the late 90s…

  74. 74
    Anonymous says:

    Well its the first time I’ve heard it called that!

  75. 75
    Stan says:

    I wonder if Evan & his Lordship go to the same clubs & parties?

    We should be told.

  76. 76
    The ever-raped British taxpayer says:

    Who will decide if Gordon Brown’s PPI hospital building was ‘botched’? If it it was botched, who will be sacked?

  77. 77
    Bishop says:

    “L Hennessy of Nympsfield ” They have missed out an “h” surely.

  78. 78
    Casual Observer 5 says:

    And thanks to the cultural benefits of immigration, it is now a very British thing to shit on their doorsteps as well.

    After the above.

  79. 79
    and says:

    Not just Westminster- what about the assemblies in Wales,Scotland and Ireland.

  80. 80

    No. I am a very important Libor MP. I have never had a proper job in my life and don’t intend to start now.

  81. 81
    Deli_c says:

    There has to be some reason why Evan and Mandy got on so well this morning.

  82. 82
    The Public says:

    You expect can’t expect a Lord to understand or defend the concept of democracy

  83. 83
    Emergency Stop No 1 and full astern as quick as you can says:

    Not a popular policy on the doorstep in his Leicester Constituency though I suspect

  84. 84
    Labour's supporters are worthless retarded subhuman filth says:

    But his PFI hospitals were great value for money.

    Oh, wait..

  85. 85
    I want to know says:

    R4 Today was blatently biased throughout this morning.
    Who was the editor?

  86. 86
    Deli_c says:

    Applause – it was disturbing listening to it.

    Now we see what the EU is getting for the soft loans it gives the BBC – a client National Broadcaster who does not ask any difficult questions of the Europhiles.

    Scary times – the BBC are assisting in the theft of democracy and the nation state

  87. 87
    Mr Potato Head says:

    The strong pound does make exporting harder but it also means we are paying less for imports. Imports such as food, oil and gas. All of which will help with the cost of living. So bad news for Miliband’s lap dogs.

  88. 88
    but more importantly says:

    Who elected her?

  89. 89
    Missing Persons says:

    According to the DM., Victor has disappeared from his car wash job after 1 day.

  90. 90
    If Nazi germany had a State Broadcaster, it would look like the BBC says:

    That was nuts and surreal this morning – could the BBC have given any clearer indication of their bias against Euro sceptics?

    I am glad it was not just me who noticed.

  91. 91
    Dirty Harry says:

    Don’t do irony, well do ya, punk?

  92. 92
    Amnesty International says:

    Well if he’s shot Vaz dead he’s no need to hide.

  93. 93
    Would be EU dictators says:


  94. 94
    elpful arry says:

    He’s probably found another woman to beat up.

  95. 95
    God's Waiting Room says:

    An interesting list of speakers. I thought most of them were dead.

  96. 96
    The BBC, Guardian and other lefty shitferbranes says:

    Damn, and we wasted all that time, effort and money supporting him!

  97. 97
    The BBC, Guardian and other lefty shitferbranes says:


    But we spent hours at the aiports waiting for them!

  98. 98
    Anonymous says:

    All aboard the Vazmobile.

  99. 99
    Anonymous says:

    They make scousers look normal.

  100. 100
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    Anyone work in Camden and want free burgers? Get in touch.

    Hello at honestburgers dot co dot uk

  101. 101
    Fink bout tit, yeah? says:

    You seem to be under the delusion that utilities will reduce their prices in line with their costs, instead of jacking them up at every available opportunity and then telling us that we’ve never had it so good.

  102. 102
    M102 says:

    You never see van Rompuy and Mr Burns in the same room do you?

  103. 103
    Diane Abbot says:

    Yummie, I’ll take the lot.

  104. 104
    EU Watch says:

    They may well defeat this current bill, but if the Lords had any sense they would allow it to return for a third reading.

    Despite the legitimate reactionary feeling against what the EU is currently trying to become, the key problem with it is that it requires radical reform.

    To properly get that message across, as the problem does affect all other members states (cases of G’reece / S’pain / P’ortugal and I’taly, to a much greater degree than the UK…), a third reading with debate in the Commons would be most useful.

    What the LibLabCon do not seem to get (except for Alfriyie who crafted this bill) is that the EU question should not be treated as partisan.

    The corrupting effect of the current EU organization has led to this political miscalculation which in many countries has undermined almost totally public confidence in their mainstream national parties.

    If the UK is going to realign itself more properly with a European voting bloc, it will likely be split between the Freedom and Democracy / Socialist groups.

    Current mood suggests that the balance will likely swing to the Freedom parties though, which translates to UKIP / Labour future political landscape in the UK, and for the UK in Europe.

  105. 105
    Jo says:

    He spoke. Words tumbled out. But they tended not to be configured in coherent sentences or even make sense.

  106. 106
    They're not blacks, they're 'youths' says:

    10-1 mobs of enrichers kick off tomorrow.

    I’d shoot the lot, strafe them with whatever crap planes the RAF are currently borrowing from the yanks.

  107. 107

    UKIP will be needed more than ever, because in the event of a referendum the collaborators will have a bottomless budget to spend on propaganda , the BBC ,the Guardian , the Mirror , the Unions, the liblabcon will be mobilised.
    If these traitors win their referendum which, given the resources that they will have at their disposal, they might well do , we will be treated night after night to gloating euro Kommissars on the BBC news, congratulating the British people on their good sense and the correctness of their decision.
    Then we will be trapped forever as a province of the nightmare socialist bureaucracy.
    Referendums be careful what you wish for !

  108. 108
    snotrocket says:

    That’s because you cannot change a man’s opinion whose pay depends on his belief – and being ex-EU Commissioner, Manglebum is prohibited from saying anything other than ‘It’s good for you’.

  109. 109
    JadedJean says:

    Could not agree more.

  110. 110
    Anonymous says:

    All the birds are Keith Vaz.

  111. 111
    Intellectual Pygmy says:

    People who love the EU = morons

  112. 112
    Doc D K elly says:

    Has he k’illed himself with a b’lunt pen knife and 4 para cetamol?

    Poxy modbot.

  113. 113
    Jack Ketch says:

    So a bunch of unelected stooges will decide if the people will have a chance to choose if they will continue to be ruled by another bunch of unelected stooges although a different bunch of stooges promised such a choice if they WERE elected, but then decided that the promises made months before by another bunch who were “de-elected” made such a choice superfluous.
    Another triumph for democracy!

  114. 114
    The Public says:

    The pro-freedom parties are the pro-democracy parties. The socialist ones are not.

  115. 115
    (Not so)Dangerous Brian says:

    And, if they lose, endless re-runs of the Mandela wank fest.

  116. 116
    George says:

    Lords determined to talk it out

  117. 117
    Postal Votes are Labour Loo Paper says:

    Kinnochio will be worried about his enormous pension- gained for doing fuck all but mess everything up that he touched.

  118. 118
    South7eventh says:

    Kinnock is beyond parody. The Welsh windbag still lives up to his reputation. I am sure that he will be paid a production bonus for that rubbish by Brussels

  119. 119
    True Brits says:

    No referendum or a lost referendum = no change from now

    Winning a referendum = freedom

    I’m not afraid of a referendum

  120. 120
    Lord Charles says:

    What else would you expect from a tailor’s dummy ?

  121. 121
    George says:

    Yes this; is why we fougth 2 world wars but we’ve lost the peace through our own traitors

  122. 122
    Truthteller says:

    One born every minute.

  123. 123
    John Galt says:

    Who elected me?

  124. 124
    Up the Junction on benefits strasse says:

    Kinnock and Mandelson have spoken in the Lords but not declared a financial interest. Their pensions from the EU are conditional. – so they wont want us to have a say of course

  125. 125
    Lord Effingham says:

    They are. They just don’t know it yet.

  126. 126
    Nipsy Valve says:

    Of course the BBC are pro Europe. Once they get broadcasting rights in Europe, they can charge (tax) the whole of Europe for receiving their crap repeats.

  127. 127
    Mirkin Vendor says:

    People who love morons = EU

  128. 128
    Edinburgh shitty! says:

    Where Lord Thicko from Edinburgh shitty!

  129. 129
    Penfold says:

    Orff with their nadgers and then orff with their treasonous little heads.


  130. 130
    Clive Dunn (FUEUSSR) says:

    They Don’t like it up um, then again maybe they do

  131. 131
    Ex Con says:

    I’m sowing the sack at this moment, do you wan’t some bricks sown in

  132. 132

    A referendum

  133. 133
    Only chavs shop at Tesco says:

    An important point about Mandelscum is what he did to pull the hapless moron Gordoom’s strings. I know this from a former No 10 staffer. The fact that he offered to work for the Conservatives just before the 2010 election almost beggars belief. Note the word “almost.” What matters to this particular “Lord” is his rapidly expanding bank balance. Who does that remind you of? This sleazy reptile is panicking about the coming UKIP tsunami. His most lucrative EU connections would be stuffed up the arse if we ever did pull out. Oops! That was an unfortunate analogy.

  134. 134
    Rightwinggit says:


    Judge Tugendhat???


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