January 10th, 2014

Guy News Special: Al Gore’s Ice Crap Prediction


  1. 1
    sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    The Cats the man viva le chat.


    • 16

      One of the problems with coming second in a US presidential election campaign is that you have a recognition factor without a purpose.

      That can be a very dangerous situation.


      • 27
        Bumboy Dave says:

        Hug a polar bear before it drowns!


        • 46
          Splooge says:

          Happy Margaret Thatcher Day!


        • 71
          Toxic Labour for Spongers, Parasites, Immigrants and Criminals says:

          Al Gore has conned the world and made a billion dollars. Not bad for an idiot!


          • I hate socialists. says:

            Global warming, the biggest con this century.


          • whore says:



          • al is alla says:

            where are my whores


          • bloke says:

            All them effing wanker politicians want is your cash. All of it.


          • The Effing Politicians says:

            We are also quite happy taking benefits in kind


          • lojolondon says:

            It was reported over the weekend that Argentina have received £2m in aid from Britain since 2012.

            So – don’t just stop giving money to these people, ask for the money back, charge them interest, how dare they take money and criticize us, and how dare our representatives give our money to ungrateful countries? Teach them a lesson (again)


          • older person says:

            and what of greece?


          • Has_a_brain_cell says:

            You don’t have to be a braintrust to know that climate change is real, and man made. Come on now Guido, I expect an inkling of intelligence from you!

            You can deny all you want – those of us who know won’t be washed out of our houses along with the rest of you. Row, row, row your boat … Someone said on here once that right wing doesn’t have to be synonymous with stupid, but I dunno …


        • 215
          Anonymous says:

          So a man with a vested interest in climate change turned out to be working from flawed data – no surprise there!


          • Gove is right about standards needing to be higher says:

            FFS – quite news day Quido? The twats you spend so much time around are begining to infect your evaluation of the facts.

            What he says on the tape is:

            a 75% chance
            within 5-7 years
            the north polar ice cap (Arctic)
            in some of the summer months

            Its winter now. Its 5 years. The ship is in the Antartic (thats the South polar ice cap and, unlike the Arctic, it isn’t all ice anyway)

            Climate change is crap. Gore is a nobody who blew an election. Move on. There’s nothing to see here folks


          • Has_a_brain_cell says:

            Well said, Gove is right about standards needing to be higher!


      • 49
        Faceless Bureaucrat says:

        Not exactly Mystic Meg, is he?…


        • 64

          No. But he does have a switch just under his left ear which, when massaged, gives that repeat voice-over which makes you think you have heard it before and therefore creates a self-fulfilling prophesy.

          You can see him rubbing it at the start of the clip.


          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            He is perhaps 50% more qualified than Cameron’s gut though, and Cameron’s gut is 0% qualified.

            In other news…

            So – it is officially too cold in the US for polar bears to stay outside.


          • As a mathematician and logician of modest ability, I would have preferred that you gave some positive value to Cameron’s gut, however modest, otherwise the logic of your comparison falls away.

            0.00000000000000001% would perhaps not be an overstatement whilst rounding would render a value of zero.

            On the AGW front, when are we going to have a similar mob saying that the world will come to an end because it is cooling (which it is) and therefore we have to light bonfires, use up all the oil and shale gas as soon as possible to stave off extinction day?

            Though seemingly nonsensical, it holds together better than the AGW muck.

            (Seriously, I think he has got a switch under his left ear – can we zoom in and get a closer view? :-) )


          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            Nope – 50% more than 0% is in the spirit of the climate change reports, like the 90% consensus of all scientists that the IPCC claimed had full agreement across the community on the science.

            The global cooling mob are probably thinking about it, but need the heat off the warming mob before they can start prepping public opinion. Pun intended.

            Who exactly would want to fund such research into global cooling is a different matter. Watching ice freeze is almost as interesting as watching it melt.

            I don’t think there is any need to burn all the resources quicker to stay warm. The insulation that was put in to homes during the global warming scare (see – it sounds like a joke, but that is reality…) should help a lot with that.

            The taxes being proposed to reduce unnecessarily consumption need to be revoked, otherwise people will be taxed into an early grave. That will be figured out fast and not tolerated.


          • I have a suggestion to make which perhaps you could consider:

            The imaginary number, widely known as i (where i² = −1) is surely much more appropriate here, don’t you think?

            In maths it has a real purpose but in AGW terms it is just as good as anything else they have produced (where good = 0).

            Being a quadratic polynomial i, or -i, can be inverted to produce a graph which resembles a giant phallus, which would turn out to be ineffective anyway ( ךּ ).

            Now, you are an intelligent guy CO5. Why are you evading my thought about that switch under his ear? I am getting more and more convinced of its existence. You have been across there in the not too dim and distant past (or future). Do you know more about this than you are letting on? ;-)


          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            Too complex ;-)

            Not sure about the switch, but it could be a nervous tick indicating that everything that follows is a lie.

            Gore did make > $100m when he sold off Channel TV to the Qatari’s.

            So the global advocate for climate change sold his propaganda network (which happened to also carry C-SPAN) to Al Jaz, at a time when Qatar was getting heavily involved in nat gas distribution and fracking within the US.

            Doesn’t take too much joined up thinking to put those dots together and come up with an appropriate graph ;-)


          • Somewhat offpissed. says:

            Ohh do cut the intellectual hubris, schrodinger (without the umlaut). There are two complex square roots of every real number other than zero, which just happens to have double.


          • So sorry! I have to catch a Cartesian plane so I can buy some more Galois so will have to leave it to you to dissolve the quintics. Good luck.


        • 91
          GnosticBrian says:

          Except that Gore was talking about a 75% CHANCE that the NORTH pole would be ice free in summer and Guido is showing tourists trapped in an ice field in the SOUTHERN polar regions – pretty much what passes for what for journalistic accuracy on this site.


        • 151
          Laidbackbanker. says:

          Call Me Dave said that our floods were all due to Global Warming!
          Didn’t he use to work for Mystic Meg or perhaps he’s friendly with that Caroline Lucas? I get so confused sometimes.


          • David Cameron: National Seer and Asset says:

            Next week, at PMQ’s, I shall be giving advice on best picks for the lottery numbers. But shhh…, don’t tell everyone ;-)


        • 353
          Has_a_brain_cell says:

          Not exactly a shining light yerself!


      • 208
        sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

        Cat dont become entangled.


    • 190
      Taxpayer says:

      Nigel Farage MEP
      This week’s key by-election results

      St Edmundsbury Borough Council (Haverhill East): UKIP 529, Lab 240, Con 157, LD 54, (UKIP gain from Con).

      Haverhill Town Council (Haverhill East): UKIP 630, LD 107, Lab 229, (UKIP gain from Con).

      Salford, Swinton South: Lab 661, Con 298, UKIP 215, Green 196, ED 54, TUSAC 43


      • 210
        Keep Calm, Vote UKIP says:

        In % Terms:

        St Edmundsbury Borough Council (Haverhill East):
        UKIP : 54.0% (+54.0)
        LAB  : 24.5% (-12.7)
        CON  : 16.0% (-31.9)
        LD   :  5.5% (- 9.4)
        Swinton South (Salford) Result:
        LAB  : 45.1% (- 0.5)
        CON  : 20.3% (+ 4.3)
        UKIP : 14.7% (+14.7)
        GRN  : 13.4% (- 3.4)
        ED   :  3.7% (- 1.1)
        TUSC :  2.9%

        The Salford result is looking very good, and an excellent night in Haverhill.

        From poll’s on 4th Jan:

        Lord Ashcroft's Megapoll:
        LAB  : 39%
        CON  : 30% 
        UKIP : 16%
        LD   :  8%
        LAB  : 37%
        CON  : 30%
        UKIP : 17%
        LD   :  8%

        h/t @PurpleColumnist

        From 2010 GE:

        Salford & Eccles: 
         Labour: 40.01% (a majority of 13.78% over LD)
         UKIP  : 2.61%
         Current MP: Blears, Hazel (Lab)
        Suffolk West: (Haverhill)
         Conservative: 50.56%, (a majority of 23.42% over LD)
         UKIP        :  6.42%
         Current MP: Hancock, Matthew (Con)


        • 221
          lojolondon says:

          Go, Nigel, we are all behind you – this is going to make the bastards take note!!


        • 228
          Reader says:

          It would be helpful to have a little more analysis of the Salford figures, if possible, as i can’t see how they are looking very good for UKIP. Can anyone explain these for me?


          • Keep Calm, Vote UKIP says:


            i) +14.7% from nothing – That in itself is good.
            ii) Over 6x improvement compared 2010GE for that constituency as a whole.
            iii) Not that far away from the polls.

            As you can see, Salford is a very strong Labour area. (Apologies for statement of the obvious…)

            This performance is a good indicator that UKIP have traction in strong Labour, as well as Conservative areas.

            There is going to be a by-election coming up not too far away in Wythendale soon as a result of the sad passing of P’aul Goggin.

            This result is certainly positive for that, where UKIP will be looking for a strong second if they fail to get the seat itself.

            This is a very good result in that strong Labour area, and indicates that the UKIP message is getting through.


          • Reader says:

            I see. Thanks, that is helpful.

            I wonder how many Labour areas there are where ‘traction’ at this level be sufficient to unseat the incubment? Or are still greater efforts required?


          • Keep Calm, Vote UKIP says:

            Shall be doing that analysis over the weekend – it might be enough to upset some of the marginals.

            This specific result on the face of it looks poor, but the target is moving, and the trend seems positive. If this was a typical result for that ward then would definitely lean towards what I think is your rightful skepticism.

            If UKIP were to take a constituency like Salford though, that would be a surprise result. But then, that they can take 14% in a first showing in such an area is also a bit of a surprise.


          • Reader says:

            Yes, it would be. And maybe not as strange as one may think.

            There have been some very strange things happening recently: I am quite convinced that some kind of change has occurred in public sentiments in the past few weeks. What changes, and how deep, I am am not sure, but the game has most definitely changed.


    • 219
      lojolondon says:

      I hate Gore with a passion, but in the interests of fairness, he said the Northern ice cap would melt and the dingbats got stuck in Antarctica – South Pole region – Anyway, he was still 100% wrong, 100% a liar and 100% a crook.


    • 296
      Do Turkeys vote for Christmas? says:

      95% of all those working for the global warming pressure groups agree global warming is happening.

      In other news, 95% of people in the Stretford End support Manchester United.


  2. 2
    Spartacus says:

    will he get a peace prize for this prediction??


    • 86
      BBC support this says:

      Air miles galore.

      As one of those elites we have to endure that are entitled to jet in where the media need some footage and be given 10x yearly salary weekly. Like Clinton like Blair.


  3. 3
    East India Company Wallah says:

    Al is not listening
    The money made him convert to eco-fraud and only even more of our money would make him honest again


  4. 4
    Perse O'Nalley says:

    Al Gore….twat of this, and indeed any, parish.


    • 6
      C.O.Jones says:

      Now that is an inconvenient truth.


    • 122
      I hate socialists. says:

      It could have been a lot worst if he was elected President.


      • 136
        Unspeakably smug Mandy who knows best (like fook he does) says:

        This must not be put ‘in the hands’ of an unpredictable referendum.


        • 237
          Alan Chingachgook says:

          Listening to him got a bit of sick in my mouth. Switched channels and Vaz was in unctuous full flow….the carpet cleaner is calling Tuesday.


      • 198
        Only chavs shop at Tesco says:

        Good evening, I Hate Socialists. I hope you didn’t miss Katie Hopkins of The Sun (I know, I know!) telling Diane The Hypocrite Fattbutt what she can do with her pathetic, Livingstone-like defence of benefit scroungers. It’s available for another week on the Beeboid site and is worth a chortle. Fattbutt’s expression when Hopkins creamed her is a sight to treasure!


        • 202
          Alan Chingachgook says:

          Just had a peep. Rather splendid really. Mind you, I wouldn’t want to owe her
          any money.


    • 194
      Taxpayer says:

      Algor. It’s Latin for cold.


    • 357
      Lawrence David says:

      Shush! His paramour might rendition you to Gitmo on her private Gulfstream!


  5. 5
    Ed Dafty, LimpDim MP, Climate Change Chieftain says:

    I agree with Al.


  6. 7
    Vapid fox of fleet feet says:

    5 year plan, innit !


  7. 8
    Big D says:

    The mans an idiot as well as a hypocrite (remember all those private jet flights )


    • 138
      I got SO bored says:

      Al Gore is as Green as can be
      But now he just looks sill-ee
      The ice, it is more
      Than said by this bore
      Diddly-um, diddly-um, diddle-ee


    • 139
      C.O.Jones says:

      And his energy bill for his 21 roomed mansion.



      • 200
        Only chavs shop at Tesco says:

        Don’t forget his four children. That’s a great example to set, n’est-ce pas?


        • 257
          nice is in france. nice is a biscuit. nice is a feeling. says:

          allah ‘o akbar
          jodha akbar, is claimed to be a made up story.
          akbar, is news

          a law is a law is a law.

          migraine goes when the law goes.
          divorce helps the better “i will h-
          the connector o


          being nice is a law, what the mother sold us.
          nice ppl go to nice to have a nice biscuit.


    • 267
      Somewhat offpissed. says:

      Don’t worry, the polar bears that he conned into posing for his propaganda photographs never got paid. They now wish to have a serious (carnivorous) conversation with him. Is there any way we can help them achieve their objective?


      • 291
        A polar bear says:

        Revenge is a dish best served cold – but right now it’s still in the freezer and I’m tucked up warm in bed. Still, the woolly mammoths will remind me later, I’m sure.


  8. 9
    Little Ed says:

    There’s nothing wong with a bit of exaggeration to get your methage akwoss.


  9. 10
    Al Bore says:

    It’s manbearpig I tells ya…!



  10. 11
    Ian Smith says:

    Universal Credit will be delivered on time and on budget.


  11. 12
    English for Beginners says:

    “melt away in five years time”



  12. 14
    Jack the Ripper says:

    Strictly speaking, he said there was a 75% chance (did Mr Spock calculate that figure?) that the north icecap would be gone within 5-7 years.

    However, I must go, to put on another jersey.


  13. 15
    Anonymous says:

    ….not heard of the concept of “summer” months, eh?


    • 18
      Durrrr says:

      It is summer in the antarctic..


      • 21
        C.O.Jones says:

        :) doughnut!


      • 31
        Gertrude Perkins says:

        Al Gore is talking about the North pole (it is winter there). And it was fairly ice free last year, so may well be ice free this year.


        • 36
          Confused of Whitbury says:

          How come the northern one is going to melt in the summer, but the southern one isn’t?


          • Gertrude Perkins says:

            Different volumes of ice, continental proximity etc Not too confusing. they are basically different places and so have different climates (though they do sometimes have similar weather…)

            Reminded me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQlHaGhYoF0


          • Anonymous says:

            Because the antarctic summer is colder than the arctic winter.


          • When losing a debate, make stuff up says:

            No it isn’t


          • Anonymous says:

            Because the arctic ice is floating the Antartic ice is mostly land mass. In summer the water changes temperature quicker than the land and retains the heat longer the surface hence melts the ice which does not happen so quickly on the Antartic land mass.

            I think


          • The Inconvenient Truth says:

            The sea is never that cold. The land is, especially at 4000m in the middle of a continent.

            The Antarctic ice sheet is going nowhere fast.

            Greenland is similar, but the weather there is not cut off from warmer areas, unlike central Antarctica, and there is more potential for melting there.

            Of course, the Earth’s ice has generally been melting since the end of the ice age, 10000 years ago.


          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            Most of the melting which took place in G’reenland was due to volcanic activity (under the ice sheets…) as well.


        • 106
          The Inconvenient Truth says:

          Nope. Try again.

          2012 was a record low year for the north pole (within the satellite record), but inconveniently, this year had 50% more…


        • 147
          Captain Nemo says:

          I seem to recall one of them new-fangled nuclear submarines surfacing at the North Pole… 1966 it was, or was it ’67? About then, anyway. Can’t have been much ice about then, can there?


        • 197
          Taxpayer says:


          Artcic Sea Ice. Nothing abnormal, slightly above last year.


    • 19
      FFS says:

      Are you a betting man? Because it sounds like you’re anticipating the North Polar ice to have melted this summer. I’m more than happy to take the other side of that bet!


    • 22
      Physics Dear Boy. Physics says:

      Not heard of the concept of incidence of radiation?


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  15. 20
    Jimmy says:

    “In 2009 Al Gore said the polar ice caps would melt away in five years time.”

    Do you have a link to him saying that? You seem to have posted an entirely different quote by mistake.


    • 30
      digitaltoast says:

      He has indeed, but you can be sure it wasn’t by mistake!


    • 41
      Ed Balls touched me in my special place says:

      I appreciate that those of you on the left will back any c*nt as long as you can get together to bash the right, but backing Al Gore is a losers strategy, Jimmy.
      You both might agree on climate change, but I can assure you, Gore’s politics are way to the right of yours


      • 43
        Chairman Mao says:

        My policies were way to the right of Jimmy’s.


      • 54
        Jimmy says:

        So? Eve a stopped clock is right twice a day


        • 69
          Ed Balls touched me in my special place says:

          Thatcher thought it was a ‘possibility’, Gore is adamant.

          I take your point, Jimmy, but if you want to retain any political credibility. ….stay the fuck away from backing Al Gore.


        • 76
          Mong Watch says:

          She was talking about general environmental problems more, which are still valid, but not specifically about just warming and the need to introduce a tax against nature.

          Also – she was going on the advice of the Royal Society, unlike David Cameron who seems to be taking advice direct from his gut and cuffs, or Labour who are simply looking to profit from lies.


          • Jimmy says:

            You obviously haven’t listened to it.

            This of course was when the tories were run by a scientist.


          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Jimmy – let me give you a clue – try obtaining a copy of Gores Nobel Peace prize lecture with the title ‘Our Purpose’ a 60 page booklet.

            Try reading it. And then add in the evidence that has come to light in the past few years and theres your credibility completely washed away. Go to dumbclutz.


          • Jimmy says:

            “let me give you a clue”

            Only if you let me give you a unicorn


          • Mong Watch says:

            No, I did.

            Temperatures were rising during the 80s.

            Place it in historical context, with ozone hole detection through the new data coming in from improvements in weather satellites, she and the Royal Society were right to raise environmental profile.

            Now though, with the larger data set and better interpretation, the empirical results are different.

            A fact that the left cannot handle is that it is fine and good for science to change its mind irrespective of political concerns, as science should only care objectively about what observation tells it.

            To reconcile, the left might want to consider the concept of honest revisionism. :-)


          • Ed Balls touched me in my special place says:

            ‘Only if you let me give you a unicorn’.
            Is that a euphemism Jimmy?

            Cos it sounds painful.


          • no warming for 16 years says:

            The Unicorn in this case is global warming obviously.


          • Taxpayer says:

            > with ozone hole detection

            It’s always been there….

            Another dodgy scheme to make people buy on-patent cooling gases rather than off-patent CFCs….


          • Mong Watch says:

            The Ozone hole thing is real.

            That I have proven empirically on holiday, requiring treatment for second degree burns.

            The other warming stuff is b/s.


          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Jimmy – can’t answer but with distracting to another subject – twat. And btw I liked the way you called yourself an anti semite over on the last blog – twat.


          • Piz Buin says says:



  16. 23
    Jacko says:

    Someone give that man a Nobel Prize


  17. 28
    digitaltoast says:

    Talking of dishonest:

    Guido wrote:
    “In 2009 Al Gore said the polar ice caps would melt away in five years time”.

    Al Gore said:
    “Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”

    7 years, winter, 22 years, summer – ah, it’s all the same, right?

    Still, takes the heat of the Plebgate thing, yeah?


    • 33
      Talking of dishonest says:

      Iraq has weapons of WMD.


    • 226
      Blowing Whistles says:

      And the pig in the plebgate shit – already the ptb are giving him a get out of jail free card what with the mouthings of oh he has mental problems – now which MP recently used that old nutmeg?

      Does British justice seek to find the whole truth and go where the evidence leads it – i.e The rest of the pigs and msm (briefers The Sun) who ‘engineered’ the whole story? Oh step forward Rupert’s mob yet again … form he’s got arms lengths of it.


  18. 29
    Hanging Chad says:


    Oh hang on…


  19. 34
    Luciana Berger says:

    David Cameron is responsible for pensioners getting cold. Even outside, it’s his fucking fault.


  20. 37
    Anonymous says:

    Santa will soon be looking for a new production base then.


  21. 38
    Diawl says:

    To be fair to Al Bore, he did say north pole as against south , and the rescue was in the Antarctic. However, it is still marvellous to see such hubris shot down in flames ( unless that is a mixed metaphor).


    • 55
      JH3094-0234-032 says:

      As long as self-satisfied arseholes like Tunney never get a penny of taxpayers money again, who cares?


    • 230
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Another inconvenient fact – The polar bear population has multiplied – rather than Al’s other prediction about their numbers decreasing.

      Al is known to have refused to speak publicly about his big lie for some years – wonder why that is.

      Al Gore – is just another bum steer.


  22. 44
    Mr Potato Head says:

    Misquoting people just lets them off the hook. Surely the actual quotes are damning enough.


  23. 45
    House of Lords Watch says:

    Referendum bill has got second reading, and referred to committee in Lords.


  24. 51
    Time 2 CTRL, ALT & DEL says:

    Don’t forget – the ships are stuck in the ice in the southern hemisphere = where it is there summer.(BBC seem unaware of this) Where has this global warming gone?
    I took all me double glazing out because it was going be so warm!!!


    • 234
      Blowing Whistles says:

      And don’t forget that in the early months of 2012 – Britain was experiencing a drought with all the global warming deluded screaming about the water tables being dry and demanding hose pipe bans – well Thank you Mother Nature – and as ever she pi**ed all over the AGW wets.


  25. 52
    Ship of Fools says:

    See also:

    Downfall parody of Antarctic ship misadventure (mentions Gore too)


    • 66
      Jimmy says:

      Funny how the meme for all these things is a rightie struggling to come to terms with reality.


      • 73
        It was called National Socialism for a reason says:

        Yeah. Hitler was a ‘rightie’.


      • 74
        Mr Whippy says:

        and which bit of “socialist” didn’t you get Jimmy Fuckwit?


      • 75
        A Penguin says:

        Jimmy, it’s funny how the meme of all your posts is of a leftie failing to even begin to realise the joke is on you. Hitler was a socialist. Just like you.


      • 78
        Pdubya says:

        At the risk of shooting your theory down pal Adolph formed the National Socialist party in Germany. The clue is in the name.


      • 79
        NASDAP says:

        Hitler was a socialist.


        • 84
          Jimmy says:

          It’s astonishing the umber of bottom feeders who think this is an intelligent argument. In fact all you’re doing is boasting that you’re more right wing than Hitler


      • 85
        Lefties can't fucking read says:

        National socialist party … NAZI

        Mmmm I spy with my little eye SOCIALIST



        • 102
          P l e b says:

          I really do suggest you read Ian Kershaw’s two magnificent volumes on Hitler, which adequately explain the origins of the term National Socialist. There is no connection whatsoever with the socialism we used to have in this country.
          Hitler was in fact a fascist, and was very firmly of the right in his views.


          • Politics Now says:

            Which is why he built a nationalized military industrial complex that was of and for the people and government of G’ermany, and not serving the narrow interests of the G’erman private elite.

            For fascism you need to look at !taly.

            The NSDAP were socialists.


          • Jimmy says:

            “I really do suggest you read…”

            I think I may have spotted the flaw in this plan.


          • Durrrrr says:

            ” Hitler was in fact a fascist, and was very firmly of the right in his views.”

            Hmm. Which is why he called his party the “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”.

            As you would, if you were a rightie, into free-market capitalism.


          • B E L P says:

            Ian kershaw is known to take a isolationist view of this part of history and his views are not shared by the majority including funnily enough Hitler himself if he was here who in approach and national activities was a socialist. The only difference between him and labours socialism is he killed a lot of people a bot like Stalin.
            Oh wait a minute …..I forgot about Iraq so basically the same really


          • P l e b says:

            “Nazism, or National Socialism in full (German: Nationalsozialismus), is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and state as well as other related far-right groups.”


          • FFS says:

            The Naz!s were heavily influenced by Swedish socialism. Swedish socialists also believed in Eugenics and the concept of the “ideal Swedish citizen”.


          • Expat Geordie says:

            Fascism is hardly right wing either. Didn’t Mussolini, and as the owner he should know, describe it as “neither capitalism nor communism but a third way”? Or was that Blair. Anyway, fascism, like socialism, is just corporate, big state crap.


          • Politics Now says:

            Yes – Fascism is more related to a political economy rather than a political ideology. From the ideological perspective it is characterized by having authoritarian traits.

            Public – Private partnerships are a good example of this in the UK, and elsewhere. It is not accurate to consider the UK to be a fascist state though.

            Tony Blair’s third way was referring to communitarianism.

            That is different. It’s model encompasses Public-Private also, but has a corruption of Marxism at core.

            This corruption can be viewed as a rotating door between private corporate world and public world: Think how MPs wind up on boards of large companies and vice versa.

            The communitarian model also involves public money being made available to support otherwise private interests and the transfer of private liabilities to the tax payer. Other than the revolving door for the elite, the private interests are expected to provide certain things for the state such as particular levels of employment, and the dissemination of political propaganda to the workforce.

            A very crude summary, but that is what it is.

            Public-Private schemes in operation in the UK are within the communitarian scope.


      • 111
        Reality Check says:

        Yeah right. Hitler was a rightie.
        Do you ever engage brain before posting?


      • 155
        Fish says:

        Yep, Jimbo…the nasty Nazis…or to give them their full name;

        The National SOCIALIST and German WORKERS’ Party


      • 201
        Taxpayer says:

        National Socialism. It’s Marxism with a slightly different group to kill than it’s more murderous brother international-socialism.


        • 272
          Somewhat offpissed. says:

          The Nazis and the Fascists were both ‘national’ socialists. The Marxists, in all of their (Labour?)manifestations are ‘international’ socialists. Both meet up behind the back of the same moral cesspit each with one foot in the same pair of jackboots and each fighting to exterminate the other via means of a shit pile of corpses other than their own.


  26. 56
    The Loony Left says:



    • 61
      Social worker says:

      We’ve placed a vulnerable 12 year old English girl in a foster home with a very loving and warm family, Mr Ibrahim Ahmed and his 14 cousins.


  27. 57
    Brrrrrrrrrrrap! says:


  28. 58
    Brrrrrrrrrrrap! says:


  29. 72

    Chlamydia and genital warts all available in Swansea with a high degree of probability.

    Who would have thunk it?


  30. 77
    Polar Bear Faced says:

    All Gore…that’s not a bad name for a bear…


    • 100
      UKIP or bust says:

      What I’d like to know is, as the Gore lizard is instrumental in causing us to pay way more in green taxes than would be the case if he’d kept his big flappy trap shut, and as he’s made squillions of dollars out of the green scam, now that he has been proved to be patently wrong and a lying cnut to boot, is he going to pay back all the money?


  31. 96
    Ozzie4Hire says:

    …in 5 to 7 years time my bank accounts will have swelled by such a massive amount of eco-cash moolah it won’t matter that my reputation is completely shredded.


  32. 97
    What Goes Around says:

    OT but looks like Piss Poor has been found out at last:


    Now just Celia to realise she has been scammed!


    • 108
      Sad, so sad says:

      Oh dear. If he gets the bullet he might end up returning to Blighty with his tail between his legs.


      • 159
        Welcome back Piers says:

        Not sure he will want to come back…


        • 246
          Expat Geordie says:

          I don’t think that anyone died as a result of the “Jager-bomber”. How many British soldiers died in Iraq because of those faked photos though? Those photos were probably worse that the BBC World Service telling the Argies that 2 Para were about to attack Goose Green.


  33. 103
    Out on a limb says:

    If Exaro have picked up Bernie Hogan-Howe’s scandal… perhaps Byrne related is close to the mark.

    What a mess.


  34. 105
    David Cameron's gut says:

    Red sky at night, global warming.


  35. 110
    Ian Smith says:

    Universal Credit will be delivered on time and on budget


  36. 115
    David Cameron's gut says:

    Floods in the morning, global warming.


  37. 120
    Jimmy says:

    I’ve just noticed that Labour’s supporters are generally unqualified chavs with low-paying insecure low-status jobs, and they live in shitty squalid housing, and contribute nothing towards society.

    Whereas righties are generally well-qualified, highly paid, have great jobs and live in desirable areas and pay lots of tax.

    This just proves that righties are incredibly stupid, and lefties are very intelligent.


    • 123
      Casual Observer 5 says:

      No it doesn’t. :-)


      • 129
        B E L P says:

        Labour’s supporters are generally unqualified chavs with low-paying insecure low-status jobs, and they live in shitty squalid housing, and contribute nothing towards society.This just proves that righties are incredibly stupid, and lefties are very intelligent.




    • 125
      Jimmy says:

      Comedy’s hard.


      • 130
        Labour's supporters are worthless retarded subhuman filth says:

        Does kind of fuck your argument though, doesn’t it, retard?


        • 134
          Jimmy says:

          Actually the fact that at least two members of the rightie brains trust are currently arguing with my sock puppet pretty much makes my case.


          • Jimmy says:

            It just shows how well I impersonated you.

            Anyway, not that I’m really interested in your answer – I know you’re very hard of thinking – you have now got my point?

            Labour’s voters are mongs and they contribute nothing to society (except high crime and obesity stats, if you can call them a ‘contribution’).

            Righties, on the other hand, pay for everything (including your beloved NHS, for instance, although we only do so under duress). And we don’t live in shitty squalid housing estates and clean toilets for a living.

            Funny that.


          • A Patriot says:

            Jimmy….a National Socialist and a fcukin Na zi. We’ve flattened him and his cowards a couple of times last century. Be time to do the same thing again soon.


          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            In the real Jimmy’s defence, he does usually represent left views with some balance and perhaps repeats the more obviously rabid ones with tongue in cheek when not socked.

            Labour are having a hard time with the image of their client supporters at the moment though.

            If I was a Labour supporter I would perhaps want to switch to another party so as I would no longer be associated or considered to be an obese scrounging parasitic cancer on the anus of society.

            But if the actual Labour parasites do that and switch to say the Conservative party, what happens next ?


  38. 121
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    Pissing myself at some of the comments in this thread HAHAHAHHA


  39. 126
    David Cameron's gut says:

    Seats lost to UKIP, global warming innit.


  40. 127
    retardEd Miliband says:

    My gween taxeth, cotht of living cwithith!



    • 245
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Ed Miliband the author of his own delusions – The climate change Act 2008. Ever admit that you been had ed?


      • 323
        The Great (usually washed) British Public says:

        So have we!!

        Can someone please chuck Milipede into the about-to-overflow Thames?


  41. 128

    In the name of Hogan-Howe,



  42. 131
    Lady Lord says:

    Al Gore also said in his film, which Labour forced our schoolchildren to watch, that by 2013 several islands in the Pacific would be underwater as the sea will have risen up by several meters.
    They are of course still very much above water.

    He also said that a tipping point would be reached after 2000 and runaway rapid rises in global temperatures would happen.
    Temperatures since 2000 have not risen at all. (See Met Office for graphs and figures)

    I’m told Al has a lovely multi-million dollar home right on the beach so he doesn’t seem too worried by his own predictions.


  43. 137
    David Cameron's gut says:

    Ice on the wicket, a global warming ticket.


  44. 144
    john in cheshire says:

    Why can’t we let these socialists suffer from the consequences of their own stupidity. Surely, a valid example of natural selection.


    • 152
      JH2303409329-3423 says:

      All we need to do is stop paying taxes and watch them run out of other people’s money, as usual.


  45. 148

    Dieudonné M’Bala M’Bala, French comedian, censored in France.

    Manuel Valls (minister of the interior) has told the mayors of all the France cities where Dieudo was due to appear on tour that they should Ban him or else. François Hollande fully supports Vallson the grounds that Republican values are being held in contempt. The Constitution upholds freedom of expression but only for presidents.

    Ed Miliband will be offering Hollande his support no doubt.

    It is reported on BBC but read it on Spiked here.


    • 166
      Podiceps says:

      I don’t think that Miliband will be supporting Hollande on this. I had not heard of Dieudonné M’Bala M’Bala, but have looked him up and found that he has been blessed by Nature with a brown face (not terribly surprising with that surname). In this country, therefore, he would be invulnerable.

      The French, with long experience in offending as many people as possible as much as possible, do not mind offending minorities. Our timid rulers do.

      I also listened to the man on YouTube. Perhaps his humour doesn’t cross the Channel, but he seemed about as funny to me as a caustic soda enema.


      • 233

        Your assessment of him accords with mine.

        There is no way I can support his political views but, if he can be muffled then so can you and I.


        • 251
          Blowing Whistles says:

          Those who have benefitted personally and financially from the 1948 Universal declaration – article 19 – certainly don’t like it now – since many pieces of history have leaked out especially since the downfall of their front ‘communism’. Remember Voltaire SC.


          • Never have I forgotten, having read most of his output some decades ago.

            However he did not say what I imagine you are alluding to. The belief he did comes from a careless reading of Tallentyre.


          • Blowing Whistles says:

            The real subject you distract from SC is the slow creepy erosion of freedom of expression – and who are the ones chosen to bring it about every so slyly by garnering the sympathy of deluded Christians? It has served them ever so well financially and they are ‘desperate’ to close down the subject that there has been a huge distortion to the truth – Re Victors’ justice … [Anne Applebaum Gulag a History]


          • Anne Applebaum did a great job of exposing Stalin’s victims who were even more numerous than Hitlеr’s.*

            She also was a contributor to exposing the issue of Jеwish refuseniks unable to obtain exit visas to go to Isrаеl.

            Not your bag, I would have thought…

            * I know of no calculus to compare the evil perpetrated by either man. Both their crimes were beyond comprehension.


  46. 153
    Ed Dafty, LimpDim MP, Climate Change Chieftain says:



  47. 156
    Big D says:

    Its the jet stream stupid .


  48. 157
    Michael Fabricant is a damned fine gent says:

    Good tweet:

    Big shout must go out to Mike for this. Good work.


  49. 161
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    Happy Birthday, Rod Stewart!


  50. 162
    dead cert says:

    DWP refuse benefits to woman who has cancer on the basis that she contributed to it!!!




    • 172
      Mike Portaloo says:

      you should get benefits on account of being retarded


    • 176
      Labour's supporters are worthless retarded subhuman filth says:

      If she did contribute to it – by smoking or drínking etc – then she does deserve it.

      Why should we have to pay for her mong lifestyle?


    • 180
      Labour's supporters are worthless retarded subhuman filth says:


      Good luck claiming all your bennies when you’ve got rid of the stupid people who pay them.

      You worthless pitiable mong.


    • 205
      Taxpayer says:

      Should refuse benefits to people who never pay in.

      Can only take out what you pay in.

      Everyone should have a benefits savings account. Going overdrawn will mean you’ll have to lose weight (by not eating).


      • 329
        Are all capitalists stupid, or is it just you? says:

        You’ve not really thought about this, have you?

        If you are limited in claims to the amount you have paid in, you may as well not pay anything in, keep your contribution under the bed and then spend it as required.

        Trouble with that system is that people on minimum wage and other assorted systems of shit employment will be broke after a week in hospital and you’ll have dead bodies in the street, with no one on minimum wage to scoop them up.

        Go to your room and think think how badly you have behaved today, and don’t come down until you are sorry.


  51. 163
    Anon. says:

    What’s this about?


  52. 165
    Pista's R'Soles says:

    Gawd, Prime Minister David Cameron looks more like Rumpel Stiltskin these days ! Is he shrinking ?


  53. 169
    Mike Portaloo says:

    to think this man wanted to be US president. why dont you go hepl some kids in africa or something AL? oh yes the other one who got a bj in his office is already doing that.


  54. 171
    sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    I always thought Socialists didnt give a fuck,Hollande obviously does.


  55. 174
    Darwin says:

    I thought my theories were sound, but I did not reckon with a welfare state.


  56. 183
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Gore is frozen to the core.


  57. 196
    Casual Observer 5 says:

    Why are the Home Office in disarray over BHH ?

    There are perhaps legal reasons for not disclosing details, which is fine, but why the apparent chaos ?

    ‘No Comment’ is all that is needed.


    • 206
      Allegedly says:

      They don’t like him? They want the speculation to carry on? They want him to go? But they don’t want it to look like they have knifed him?


    • 220
      Robert Peel says:

      They love him? They want the speculation to end? They want him to stay? But they don’t want it to look like they need him?


    • 277

      My assessment of the non-resignation (as it stands at this moment)

      1. Mitchell case – highly likely
      2. Executive summary not reflecting the report’s content – highly likely
      3. HH forgetting he wrote the report when speaking to Select Cttee – possible
      4. Fall out from Hillsborough or Savile – possible
      5. HH doing a Savile – touted on these pages but most unlikely.

      I await to be proved wrong.


      • 283
        Casual Observer 5 says:

        It might be connected with the Carroll Foundation Trust scandal.

        That overlapped the crime figures cover up, has international implications, seems like others are involved.




      • 284
        Casual Observer 5 says:


        C a r r o l l Foundation Trust

        That could be it.


        • 292

          I have to confess that I have never heard of this before. It may be that HH is implicated but, having looked at some ten sites, there is nothing than rumour and disagreement that I can see.

          My interest in coming to these pages mainly stems from accountability in public life so I would not have paid much attention to a rich private individual being fleeced of his wealth (have seen that so many times) unless it had ramifications in other areas. This might have such a property but it is unclear what it is. The former Kent CC appears implicated and that would be reason enough for HH to be in control of Scotland Yard’s evidence. That does not of course implicate him.

          Realise that it may be fundamental to this curious situation but no one really wants to say and beyond the “book” which I opened in fun above I would not know how to begin to classify it in bookies’ terms.


          • A Gay Libertarian says:

            He’s as bent as a nine bob bit. But these days that is not grounds for resignation, or is it?


          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            The reporting has been virtually absent – thought you may have had an idea some time back when you mentioned Delaware.

            I suspect that the real background is somewhat spooky, but ripping off certain folk is not a smart move.

            Given the involvement of Exaro, going may be good to firm.

            Look at bit deeper and you will see what looks like another little time bomb from the left, to smear the Tory right, and a curious hangover from the Cold War.

            If the trust was laundering etc. and masquerading as a charity, there must have been a very high level of involvement in order to create what is in effect a very deep cover front.

            What were they laundering for ? Remember that this was operating through the same period of time as things like !ran Contra and B’CCI. The proceeds could have been funding anything, in addition to personal gain for some.

            The amounts involved in this offshore tax evasion are estimated to be in the billions of $. That is larger than M’adoff, and if the evasion is related to IRS as well as HMRC then there is a problem.

            Consider yesterday the Indy were yesterday reminding us that organized crime has strong holds within the Met.

            If something new has surfaced related to this, that could almost be enough to take down this government.

            Something new may involve criminal charges about to be laid, maybe against an MP close to Cameron as well as a commissioner. Might be worth keeping a close eye on the US press over the next few days.


          • Casual Observer 5 says:


          • Hmmm! I didn’t learn a lot from that clip except that this man had no concept of spread. He made a lot very fast and lost it all even faster. I have known several people personally at this level of wealth and a great deal more through business. Some have lost it very quickly but in the main, it takes a time to build up. He made his main wealth after the collapse of communism and yet it was all lost by 1995? That is a mere five years from rags to riches and back to rags again. He is still living in a multi-million pound address by the looks of it.

            Though you can’t tell much from this, I am not convinced that he did have a business worth all that money which was alleged. It does not ring true from the people who I knew well. It was immediately apparent why they were rich and successful.

            I can imagine he might have had many of those assets by means of loans but with a net worth of what? He never seemed to know. For a time I was running over ten businesses and contributing to another dozen or more. I knew where every penny was in mine. You only start another when you know you have the present ones under control.

            As you suggest, it may have just been one big scam by those you mention to discredit business (like BCCI). If that was so, it didn’t stop business get much larger, richer and more powerful after 1997 when light touch regulation came in.

            All conjecture and I may be proved wrong over the above. But when you have been around the block a few times things start to smell right – or wrong. This one stinks IMO.


          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            Did some much deeper checking – as I had heard of this before, but wasn’t completely sure. I had heard of the Maryland part vaguely.

            The Sky interview above – in three parts – agreed iffy. Sky may have been caught out.

            But, that combined with an old Guardian article, and CNN iReport made it look plausible. There was also a good set of blogposts from the SeekingAlpha site in archive – sourcing it seems from the same people. Then there are the LiveLink posts with vids half cut with the sky interview and clips from movies.

            I think there may have been a major intel front running which was the actual Carroll Trust, that was wound up in the early 90s.

            The stuff on the net though is perhaps part of a Labour disinfo campaign.

            Something interesting – you probably noticed this also – was the sheer quantity of posts up on uTube from ‘carrollfoundation’ and the plethora of dodgy blogsites which were carrying roughly the same odd message. (I hadn’t looked at those when replied earlier – but I think you had…)

            This may have been a mis / dis information scheme set up and run by Labour to attempt to discredit the Tories, and / or an experiment in setting up such a process.

            It seems that this really started up back in 2008/9 – the blog posts etc., which would have been about the time I think I heard about the Maryland fraud.

            If it is not that, then someone has a serious amount of time on their hands and an OCD problem.

            Agree with you that it is b/s, but a fraud of some sort may not be ruled out for BHH.

            The only minor doubt is whether something like this could be placed in order to provide a discredited smoke screen for a real set of events.

            Looked up the net details of c’arrolltrustcase.com:

            Domain Name: C'ARROLLTRUSTCASE.COM
               Whois Server: whois.PublicDomainRegistry.com
               Referral URL: http://www.PublicDomainRegistry.com
               Name Server: HHWSLTD.EARTH.ORDERBOX-DNS.COM
               Name Server: HHWSLTD.MARS.ORDERBOX-DNS.COM
               Name Server: HHWSLTD.MERCURY.ORDERBOX-DNS.COM
               Name Server: HHWSLTD.VENUS.ORDERBOX-DNS.COM
               Status: clientTransferProhibited
               Updated Date: 03-sep-2013
               Creation Date: 23-jul-2012
               Expiration Date: 23-jul-2014

            Whoever is doing this really does not want their details available, and they have been doing it for a number of years now.

            They have protected the DNS record via PRIVACYPROTECT.ORG, who are based in Nobby Beach, Queensland, apparently.

            The DNS resolves to:

            That is located in Road Town, British Virgin Islands, where the pages are being served from:


            Someone definitely wants to draw attention to BVI, and themselves not be traced:


            I am smelling a Labour rat.


          • I agree with your conclusion and may address the contents on another page should I get time.


  58. 212
    Incapable Vince, deputy Chief Cockroach says:

    Pillock, they’re 580p now.


  59. 213
    Alan Chingachgook says:

    I think he said the north polar ice cap, didn’t he ?
    Ah hockey sticks !


  60. 225

    Just in…

    The greenwashing is strong in the Britishers!



  61. 227
    Meanwhile, in a galaxy far far to the left says:

    Owen has had a baby:

    He shall name him: Luke


  62. 249
    Incapable Vince, deputy Chief Cockroach says:

    Oh ! I didn’t go aww ! Does this mean I’m dead ?


  63. 255
    One rule for one and one for another says:

    Asian motorist who was eight times the drink-drive limit when breathalysed is let off after judge says alcohol affects ethnic groups differently
    The Asian man was reportedly seen acting drunk at a Swedish petrol station
    He was breathalysed at home and found to be eight times over the limit
    It was claimed he’d got drunk at home, but was charged anyway
    A judge acquitted him, noting that ‘Asian people process alcohol differently’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537268/Asian-motorist-let.html#ixzz2q23wT2oI
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  64. 261
    Nelson Mandela says:




    Can anyone hear me? Hello?


  65. 269
    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    @BW: Pleb gate: Could that really have been orchestrated out of the Home Office for political reasons ?

    Perhaps Cameron wanted to lay a land mine for his only real competition, May. What other booby traps were they hopping over today ?

    Everything about the BHH works against her, and the only mistake she and Bojo made was in appointing him. I do not think she is Common Purpose.


    • 271
      Not Blowing Whistles says:

      And is Justice Sweeney currently in charge of fridge cleaning, or is this just a coincidence of cases happening to be on his circuit ?


    • 276
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Perhaps Mitchell was getting too close to the truth behind Cameron and Maude and needed a favour from his media puppetmaster Rupe – rupe does that kinda thing yeu know he has form for it – but then look behind Rupe and what do you see – Scheusters controlling him. Scheuster was a New Yorker in the early 1900’s, that’s where the modern term originated from btw!


      • 287
        Not Blowing Whistles says:

        Hmm… BHH was (is) up to his neck in this:


        That ties together the fiddling of crime stats, and perhaps explains why he was essentially being called a liar by the select committee.

        There may have been some new movement.

        Exaro have been doing fraud cases as well as CSA.


  66. 274
    Anon. says:


    • 278
      Blowing Whistles says:

      He and his youngsters are the product of thirteen years of blairs true plan to dumb down education for a generation or two.

      Report seen this week about not informing kids of what consent means as per sexual relations. JFHC – the ptb don’t want anyone to know about consent / implied / implicit or otherwise especially when the not so independent judiciary are themselves quite guilty of abuse of consent.


    • 288
      Calamity Clegg, Chief Cockroach says:

      Think of all those Postal Votes !!


  67. 275
    Owhine Jones says:

    Leave them alone! :cry:


  68. 282
    It all hot air. says:

    Apparently, in the next decade we will all experience the green house gases effects from environmental damage that happened 1990s. It takes at least a decade or more for environmental damage to impact on the earth. Hmmm? These environmentalists keep changing the goal posts.


    • 289
      Ed Dafty, LimpDim MP, Climate Change Chieftain says:

      Just pay the Green Levies and Carbon Taxes and shut the fuck up.


    • 290
      Goal Posts says:

      I wish they’d make their fucking minds up!


    • 339
      JH2303409329-3423 says:

      Acid rain!

      Anyone remember Acid rain? It was going to turn the sea into that stuff that leaks out of cheap batteries, apparently.

      Also, I presume the hole in the Ozone layer is all better now? You don’t hear that one any more, so kudos to whoever sorted it all out!


  69. 286
    The Sodding Moonbat says:

    The seven years aren’t up yet you evil shits.


    • 293
      Pissed off with the green levy says:

      Oh do fuck off and get back to your quorn burger and lentil soup you sandal wearing twat!


  70. 295
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:



    • 302
      England says:


      Just go.


      • 313
        Anonymous says:

        That’s the ultimate aim here but no one will admit it until McFuckwit has now done. They want the cushy handouts, all the benefits but just sit on their arses all day.

        Message — just fuck off as quickly as possible


    • 315
      Postal Votes are Labour Loo Paper says:

      Let’s be crystal clear about this. The sole and only reason that McDoom and his cronies want to keep Jockland in the union is that liebor would lose all their lobby fodder.


      • 333

        In other words devolve so much that the union is for all practical purposes dead , until it comes to dipping into the pockets of the English taxpayers!


  71. 300
    Sir John York says:

    Frobisher and a number of other early ‘official’ explorers thought there was a clear ride through the North pole to Cathay (which they took to be the kingdon to the North of China).

    I have often wondered why. My belief is that there were rare summers when such a passage did in fact exist and that other, unknown, mariners who these early explorers or their patrons had heard about (directly or indirectly) were aware of this. The legend did not come from nowhere any more than Columbus thought the world was flat.


    • 312
      Podiceps says:

      It is asserted in Gavin Menzies’s book 1421 that the Chinese visited Europe, sailing their junks through the open Northeast Passage to do so. This book is generally regarded as a load of codswallop, but a certain amount of fact may have found its way into the farrago. The passage is intermittently navigable in summer, but only by icebreakers or ships with strengthened hulls. The most recent voyage through it was by Russian warships in 2013.


  72. 304
    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    Old article, but perhaps relevant:


    The Charity: 273884 was removed in 1993.

    The Charity Commission has been named as being involved in this – split between FBI / Scotland Yard.

    The involvement of the A’nthony C’larke Business A’ngel crime syndicate is interesting, considering the article in the Indy yesterday about organized crime infecting Scotland Yard. They attempted to reinstate 273884 in order to properly liquidate it in 1997. If successful that would have allowed the financial records to have been properly disposed of.

    Revenue had started investigating, but many records were for some reason destroyed by the law firms entrusted to handle the archives.

    This is related to a fraud / money laundering / tax evasion operation that was going on. One estimate suggests a total of $150m involved.

    At least 28 fraudulently registered corporations were registered in Delaware and with UK Companies house linked to this charity.

    The ACA were operating @ 100 Pall Mall, not far from NSY.

    It is alleged that there has been a systemic cover up of this at NSY which may have involved BHH. There were delays in the arrest of C’larke.

    UK reporting has been virtually zero.


  73. 306
    albacore says:

    British folks sat and watched immigration
    Without choice or voice in protestation
    And being frog-marched into the E U
    Let Parliament get away with that, too
    Add the rest of the scams and barefaced lies
    Surprise, surprise – fooled again, climate-wise


  74. 316
    Anonymous says:

    So. Fresh from all that extra dosh they earned during the Olympics just for doing their fucking jobs tube workers are going on strike in Feb. the activists say the closure of the ticket offices mean “These cuts would hit the vulnerable, the elderly, those with disabilities and women the hardest,” he said.

    Fuck off you think I can’t use a ticket machine? Bunch of twats

    Meanwhile only 30% turned out to vote of which only 20% voted for strike action. So 80% did not want action or could not give a shit either way. Irrespective of tht these left wing union nutters are going to bring London to a halt to fight a political battle. Well let them the arrest the fuckers after, throw them off the job Reagan style. Next move for driverless trains.

    The unions cant stand the fact the economy is getting better and better and will do anything to fuck it up so Fuck em


  75. 318
    General Melchett says:

    So the rabid lefty baldrick was wrong. As per normal these lefties are never right about anything

    Heroic ancestors of Blackadder stars who reveal truth about the Great War… And sorry, Baldrick, they prove Mr Gove was right

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2537369/Heroic-ancestors-Blackadder-stars-reveal-truth-Great-War-And-sorry-Baldrick-prove-Mr-Gove-right.html#ixzz2q2ypngcV
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    • 330
      Lions led by Donkeys says:

      So the “ordinary soldier” was brave and fought well…that has NEVER been in dispute. I too had several ancestors who fought in the Great war and some died BUT it doesn’t alter the fact that it was a pointless and unnecessary war or that the Generals were incompetent and wasted millions of lives for a few yards of mud


      • 332
        UKIP to the max says:

        Wrong, how does anyone learn something entirely new? The British Army learned quickly and well at each battle lessons were learned and corrective measure put in place quickly.

        The rank and file offered tactical expertise and were sent back to train others in field craft, the generals were at the cusp of a learning curve that ended with a stunning victory against German forces in 1918.

        In fact it was not lions led by donkeys it was lions led by experts in the art of war, and we won, thats what the left hate most.


        • 334
          altruism in industry says:

          good job they all didn’t die for something that would later just be thrown away.


        • 336

          Neither side was prepared for the sudden effect of mass artillery on such a scale , the german army probably realised first and went on the defensive . The allies persisted for some time in packing their positions with too many men , in the hope of regaining the initiative, it was not until 1918 after much reorganisation and retraining that they were able to break through ,enabling a war of movement and rolling up the German positions in a few weeks.


          • FFS says:

            Not really true. Lessons had been learned from the American civil war. 750,000 men died in that war which relied heavily on trench warfare.

            Unlike the American civil war, however, in WWI the trenches extended the length of the entire front, and fall-back trenches were dug so that in the event that front-line trenches were over-run the enemy could fall-back to a second defensive line.

            There are some myths of WWI:

            1] The office class “led from behind”: A popular left-wing myth. Not entirely true since the officer class was decimated in the early stages of the war and orders were later imposed to reduce the rate of attrition. No doubt soldiers drafted late in the war would have had the impression that the officer class were hiding in the trenches, unaware of previous heavy losses of the officer class leading to such a decision.

            2] The soldiers were continually led over the trenches into pointless battles again and again: Not true. Each battle was different, with new lessons learned each time. This idea comes as a result of how WWI history is taught in school – we have the benefit of hindsight and an overview of how each battlefield was laid out before the battle started. Haig did not have the benefit of satellite spy cameras – the outcome of each attempt at breakthrough was not known before the battle started. There were multiple attempts at finding new approaches to achieve breakthrough culminating in the invention of the tank, and new techniques in deploying forces.

            3] The Americans won the war: Not true. The use of tanks at Amiens led to a massive breakthrough where the German lines were comppletely overrun. Although the Germans later dug in, by now the Allies had learnt new tactics and adopted something similar to guerilla warfare with troops being moved around the theater rapidly rather than simply trying to overrun the dug-in German forces. Once on the move the Germans found they kept being forced back continuously in a form of warfare much more similar to the later battles of WWII.

            4] Millions of young men had their lives cut short by WWI: True, but average life expectancy in 1910 was only 48 years. Of course, many people die far younger. Simple illnesses like Scarlet Fever could kill youngsters because penicillin had not been discovered. Young men had a rather different view of mortality than modern Brits. Fighting and dying for the folks back home was perceived as about the best one could expect to achieve in one’s short and brutal life in those days.

            5] Morale was low in the British Army and mutiny was common: Pure BBC Marxist propaganda. Morale was remarkably high. My grandfather was a volunteer soldier and had great respect for the leadership of the army. He understood fully the reasons that led to the war, and also the tactics behind each battle. There was very little dissent. Mutiny was amazingly rare. The heavy attrition rate only stiffened resolve on both sides. Is it so strange to believe that having your best mate blown to bits in front of you makes you very determined to kill the enemy? However, we should also remember that life was really tough then – my grandfather was down the mines at age 18 before WWI started – it was a blessing for him to be up in the fresh air during the war.

            6] Many of the troops suffered shell-shock and the officers didn’t give a damn: Not true. After the First Battle of the Somme 40% of the troops had shellshock. But the officers were trained that allowing troops to “give in” to shell-shock actually made it worse. Officers were taught to go and spend time with men suffering from shell-shock and “show they cared” about the inidivual solider. Those scenes you sometimes see in movies where officers were talking to ratings about “this bloody war” were not simply men “reduced to the same level” – officers were trained and taught after the Somme that this was exactly what they should do. My grandfather fought at Passcendaele, arguably the worst battle of the war but only 1% of the men suffered shell-shock, because so much had been learnt about how to deal with it. The British army learned a huge amount about morale during WWI and it is worth reading about – you will get a much different picture of the officer class and their care of their own troops if you do. It was a bit of an eye opener to me, compared to the “the officers didnt give a damn and led from behind” bullshit I was constantly given at school – just pure Marxist propaganda. These days “shell-shock” has been re-labelled “post-traumatic-stress-disorder” almost as if to suggest that the solders of WWI were suffering some quite special illness only attributed to that war.

            My grandfather had a deep hatred of Richard Attenborough and his film “Oh what a lovely war”. He considered him a traitor and a betrayer of the memory of those that fought bravely for their country and died in WWI. He would have had much the same to say about the continued myths perpetuated in “Blackadder”. It really is time we re-appraised our entire view of the war and tried to perceive it from the perspective of the people of that time.


        • 340
          JH2303409329-3423 says:

          I thought it was the prospect of practically unlimited cannon fodder rolling in from the US that did for the Germans? They simply could not supply the bodies any more.

          It was a war of attrition, pure and simple.


  76. 322
    Roland Emmerich says:

    I taught Al Gore everything he knows about science.


  77. 325
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Those polar bears at Chicago zoo should turn down their central heating and knit some woolly jumpers :-)


  78. 338
    Gravy Train says:

    Old saying: “Any science with more than 7 variables becomes an art”.

    In Al gore’s case it become a money-spinner.


  79. 341
    Blessed Mark of Tottenham says:

    MY vigil is being held today,hope to see all you leftie softies,liberals and other assorted jerks there after you croissant and lattes.


  80. 342
    Mycroft says:

    Al Gore = global warming = $200 million personal wealth.. nuff said


  81. 346
    tracklayer says:

    Get you facts right! He said the polar ice caps might melt by 2014. This is the similar to to the fact he might tell porkies about climate change or he might deliberately massage data to suit his agenda or he might only be in it for the money it is so difficult to tell from the data presently available.


    • 350
      Mycroft says:

      No the data say’s no warming for 17+ years depending which data set is used (one set puts it at 23 years

      They’ve been saying the Arctic ice cap will melt by 2009,2010,2013,2014 every few years and every time they put a date on it an that comes and go’s with no melt occurring they keep pushing the gate further into the future!!

      No explanation for Antarctic sea ice breaking records for the last couple of years though!


  82. 354
    Cognitive dissident says:

    How else could I pay for my…
    -indoor swimming pools
    -thousands of airflights
    -my fleet of cars and security
    -my green enterprises that make vast profits


  83. 356
    manicbeancounter says:

    Gore said this of the Arctic, whereas the ship became stuck in Antarctica. Further it is mid-March that the Antarctica reaches its minimum extent. I know that the Antarctic sea ice extent is about 15% more than its average of the last 30 years at present (3.5 million sq miles – the area of Australia) – but that it a minor issue.


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