January 6th, 2014

Rich’s Monday Morning View


341 Comments

  1. 1
    JH34989342529345 says:

    Fucking hell. It’s not even Monday yet.

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      Joss Ayinglike says:

      It’s not a cartoon either.

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        The Hunt for Pink October says:

        http://bit.ly/1gAst76

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          Mr Potato Head says:

          I think the biggest surprise was how low Murnaghan would stoop.

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          • Psyche the Dog says:

            Talk about stooping have you een this one, http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/05/tony-blair-businesses-amass-13m-cash-surge-profits
            a real Tory sort of regular guy, after that guy was in power things started go wonky and got very wonky by the time he signed, was there something that Liebore knew and put the pressure on him to go.

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          • don't forget says:

            Has Murnaghan already forgotten about the blood
            of poor murdered soldier Lee Rigby?

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          • Mr Potato Head says:

            Or worse still 7/7?

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          • Mr Potato Head says:

            Imagine if Murnaghan had come out with this cheap trick the day after either of these happened?

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          • Where are Tony Blair's Expenses says:

            I saw this interview, Farage has nothing to worry about; all Murnaghan demonstrated was that

            1. Enoch Powell, was absolutely correct in his speech

            2. He is out of his depth as a political commentator.

            All our political classes whether it be the MPs, Lords, Quangocrats or the media are intellectually bankrupt when it comes to trying to deliver meaningful debate on matters concerning the electorate

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          • frenchjohn says:

            The worst was the Sky idiot Jon Craig. Utter tosspot.

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          • I hate socialists. says:

            Murnaghan thought that he was being clever in trying to trap Nigel Farage
            but he just made himself look a total dickhead.

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          • Dae says:

            Murnaghan is keen to give a statistic for biths to foreign born mothers – we are being concerned without reason he implies. But that statistic doesn’t tell the whole story. Given the practice of bringing in foreign spouses (i.e. cousins), the offspring of many (conservatively reared) British born women will be brought up with English as a second language & with a foreign culture

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          • Low Blow says:

            It’s nothing unusual for old Mur-nag-han, it makes him feel big and clever. I thought Farage responded rather well, not a stutter or a stumble in sight. And Murnaghan just proved Farage’s point. Dunno what Jon Craig was on about either, yucking it up like they had played some clever trick. Sky’s agenda is clear now though.

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        Further, It is neither Murnaghan nor Farage.

        Enoch, I say!

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        (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

        O.K. I give up! Who are these two supposed to be?

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      Anonymous says:

      But will Monaghan make the mud stick?

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        The Emperor's New Clothes says:

        You guys just don’t get it.

        It’s not mud.

        It’s free publicity.

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      • 79
        Ariadaeus says:

        I thought his name was Mongahan.

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          Anonymous says:

          The sad media mob will be having one off on Mong taking down one of the perceived conlablib enemies. What a sad reflection on the appalling level of discussion and information these poorly educated mongs give.

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      Who could disagree with that other than the rich elite? says:

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        Tom Catesby. says:

        We are the victims of an ongoing process of elimination as a nation and a people, by means of population replacement and displacement. No shots having been fired as yet.

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      Farage Is now Considered A Top Dog by the press says:

      Nigel Farage should be flattered when the poached top Beeboid has to result to trickery to try and catch him out, and rather pleased that it failed.

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        Afrocutter says:

        It is becoming clearer by the day that the reason the BBC gave Moanyhan the push was because he really is so effin useless that even by the Beeb’s exceedingly low standards he was far and away the worst. They all just laugh at him up in Salford these days.

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      Your behaviour is Self Defeating Dermot says:

      Murnaghan later in the show when talking to three women journalists was out and out biased against UKIP and their policies. I assume he votes for one of the unholy trinity and that sort of behaviour just makes me more certain than ever not to vote LibLabCon.

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        Fuck the LibLabCon says:

        Hear, hear and me too.

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        This Century says:

        He’s just doing what he’s paid to do. Don’t be mad at the guy. He has a living to make. Just don’t ever take him too seriously.

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          Afrocutter says:

          He should be taken in the most serious fashion possible – and thrown head first into the overflowing Thames.

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          • Anonymous says:

            But they are all like him.They are playing “Devils advocate”putting both sides of a scenario.Some are more biased than others, obviously .Evan Davies of “today” springs to mind !

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          • Anonymous says:

            I do not seem to be able to reply to Anonymous at 7:16, but the media are not just playing devil’s advocate. It is only people and parties with views they don’t approve who get this treatment. The right-on chums of Evan Davies, whom you quote, do not get UKIP truths thrown at them; they do not get challenged to justify statements such as “immigration has been a great benefit to Britain”, which they regularly trot-out.

            Only Anonymous thinks it is UKIP against three old parties when it is clearly, still, UKIP against the political establishment.

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          • Tom Catesby. says:

            Having been suitably weighted down.

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        Anonymous says:

        He’s a beeboid, he’ll vote Labour.

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        Dougie says:

        He votes Labour. And I thought Farage handled him very well.

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          Guido is a Jeremy Hunt says:

          Farage handled that well and doesn’t in my view look worried at all, as I say a “shit cartoon” and a low point for Guido Fucks maybe he has to take this line to keep Murdoch sweet

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      I'm Gobsmacked. The Guardian of all people get it. says:

      Nigel Farage backs ‘basic principle’ of Enoch Powell’s immigration warning

      Ukip leader says ‘rivers of blood’ speech warned about tension that can arise when there is large influx of people into an area

      Nigel Farage has backed the “basic principle” of Enoch Powell’s warning that mass immigration can make people feel like strangers in their own country from the Tory politician’s 1968 “rivers of blood” speech.

      The Ukip leader was read several lines of the infamous speech on Sky’s Murnaghan show and agreed that it was true for “a lot of England” – without being told who had spoken the words.

      The extract was about the impact of immigration, saying “the indigenous population found themselves made strangers in their own country, their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition”.

      http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/05/nigel-farage-enoch-powell-immigration

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        Casual Observer 5 says:

        Which is absolutely not news as Farage has been warning about this in the broader European context for a while now.

        I think the quote to look up, and especially its context, is when Nigel says:

        ‘You ain’t seen nothing yet’

        He is right of course. Not many in the past two generations have. But they will do. Soon.

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          Psyche the Dog says:

          Does UKip have anyone besides Farage who is worthy of appearing to represent the party who can open their mouths without Farage putting the clamp on them.

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      • 93
        Anonymous says:

        That’s why most whites have moved out to new estates.

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          M102 says:

          wtf?

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          • An old 'un says:

            aka white flight. The same happened in the US in the 60’s. Especially in and around the Washington DC area.

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          • T May says:

            Yankee go home

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          • Anonymous says:

            …and Detroit.

            It’s funny the effect a r@ce r!ot can have.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            The exodus from Detroit after the second set of riots is also noteable, as was the early drain after the war ended and sentiments expressed after munitions workers were shipped in from the deep south.

            The state of the city today is the outcome for these types of liberal policy and is where many parts of the UK are and are now headed.

            It is ironic and rac!st to attempt to pin blame on smart people from one segment of society who are moving away from a problem which is not of their own creation by those who are trying to cover up their own failed policies.

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          • FFS says:

            But the real problem is that many people that moved out of places like London to get away from our ethnics and ended up in Slough, High Wycombe, Aylesbury, Bracknell and Reading are now finding that these towns are also now becoming overrun with immigrants.

            This is what is really causing massive problems with regular race riots and fire-bombing of houses, all suppressed in the nation news because of the fear it might spread. Young people in those towns that have already had their families moved once are realising that their only option is to stand up and start fighting.

            If we don’t elect a party that is prepared to roll back immigration by peaceful means all hell is going to break lose and no amount of liberal hand-wringing will stop it.

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          Wit flit says:

          A colleague of mine moved out of London to Hayes (and Harlington) in the 70s. Pretty soon he moved again, to High Wycombe. God knows where he’ll have to have moved to now. HW is a cross between High Street Calcutta and Warsaw with a good splash of Jamaica thrown in.

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        Ma­qbo­ul says:

        The basic principle was that if you must have immigration then do it in a controlled way so that the immigrants are allowed to assimilate into the local communities and do not form ghettos. Otherwise …. anyway the riots of 1981 in Toxteth, Brixton, Handsworth etc. proved him right.

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          Psyche the Dog says:

          And of course all those lovely Croydon and North Londonistan riots a few years ago.

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          • Balkanising Britain for profit & party gain says:

            Not to mention St. Pauls, Britstol – Chapeltown, Leeds – Notting Hill and the good old Bradford disturbances of 2000.

            My, my what a lot of ‘disturbances’ we’ve had over the last 30 or so years. Still you can breakup a ghastly mono culture without a few riots, here and there.

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          Balkanising Britain for profit & party gain says:

          If we had a government that gave a damn about the native population, a decent education system, and employers that could be bothered to train their work force, you’d find a country the size of Britain would need very little immigration. We’re not Pitcairn Island after all.

          Employment self-sufficiency should have been the medium and long-term goal of every post war government.

          Instead our ruling elites took the easy, lazy option and the rest is history.

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          • FFS says:

            We don’t need immigration at all. What can be useful is a “green card” employment system that allows the workforce to expand with foreign workers during a boom time but where those greenc cards are rescinded when the boom comes to an end.

            If we had allowed the workforce to expand temperarily during the last boom by 7% but sent them all home in 2009 we wouldn’t be feeling the recession at all right now. The immigrants would be happy for the money they could make during the good times. Everybody would win.

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          • OffEff says:

            If you have emigration you must allow immigration. Over 10% of Brits live abroad. A fact that moronic Tabloid readers always forget.

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          • FFS says:

            Why? If another country (such as Australia with very low population density) happens to allow immigration, why does that mean we have to offer a quid pro quo?

            And evfen if it did, surely that only means “Well, you’ve allowed in 1million Brits to Australia, so we are happy to admit 1million Australians into the UK”. What it definitely does not mean is “We have 1million highly educated Brits going to Australia so we are obliged to import 5million unskilled people from Bangladesh”.

            Your argument makes no sense at all.

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    • 109
      ancientpopeye says:

      What I find so surprising is the fact that Guido is so anti UKIP, given the other crap we’re served by.

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        (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

        + several million!

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      • 134
        Anonymous says:

        Must be all those drugs he took previously.

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        Psyche the Dog says:

        He is obeying The Master, he who pays the shekel calls the tune, it’s as easy as that! either that or he loses the contrac. If The Master switched to UKip, if he though it was going that way with the electorate, because the Master always wants to say, “It was the Sun what won it!” Guido would be all over Farage.

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        • 253
          Useful Idiot says:

          Ironic that it is you that keeps trotting out the message from above, like a good little doggie.

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      • 195
        BBC intern says:

        That’s why I’ve decided it’s not worth reading him anymore; this is the second anti-Farage ‘cartoon’ in less than a month. The establishment is closing ranks. He’s no longer worthy of the name GF. Vidkun Quisling more like.

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          Casual Observer 5 says:

          Guido doesn’t support any UK political parties or politicians – he does have a reasonably objective view.

          The perhaps more pertinent cartoon of Cameron sitting Canute like with a telescope looking out over Dover with a floatilla of immigrants and Russ!an warships headed our way, saying ‘I see no ships’ is perhaps subject to DA notice.

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          • Jim says:

            Talking of a fully armed Russian warship 30 miles of the coast of Scotland waiting 24 hours for the Royal Navy to see them off – do you think they pulled this off from the information Guido’s Poster Boy gave them?

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          • OffEff says:

            LOL!! He sucks circumcised Dick, like you do.

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          • Airey Belvoir says:

            Poror old Canute, traduced yet again. He was demonstrating the limit of his power. Read the story.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            And such a cartoon outlined isn’t demonstrating the limits or lack of Cameron’s power ?

            Add an EUSSR swasticka covering the end of the telescope for full effect. :-)

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      Carry Hole is a porcine homunculus says:

      Awesome. For Farage and for Enoch. Punished for having the audacity to tell the truth.

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    Ed Balls still talking crap says:

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      Let's UKIP baby says:

      Hah!

      You can tell Labour are starting to sh1t themselves about UKIP as much as the Tories are.

      This is a good sign for the British people, even if not for ConLabLib.

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    • 148
      Piss-poor Comedian says:

      Spoken by poverty-stricken working class Ed Balls?

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      The Labour party luvs you plebs, really they do says:

      Yes, Nothing says concern about the working classes like flooding the country with cheapo labour, driving down wages and unemployment through the roof.

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      Revealing Comment Watch says:

      Note the use of the word ‘another’.

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      Village Idiot says:

      ….What an absolutely ,pathetic attempt to undermine UKIP…They really are waking up from their cocooned,westminster bubble environment and realising how utterly sick and disillusioned the electorate are at their ruination of a once great country!
      ….Hopefully,the quiet revolution will continue apace,and perhaps one day,politicians will serve the people and their wishes,instead of boot filling,but, do not hold your breath!

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    Mark Oaten (LibDem) says:

    That looks yummy.

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    Nige must be doing something right! says:

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      Someone says:

      Lee, your kind of black supremicism is no longer really tolerable to the British public. I would recommend you start looking for a proper job.

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      Fuck the LibLabCon says:

      I’m glad you’re offended Jasper.

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        Jasper the professional race card shark says:

        +1

        Offending Jasper is a sure sign of being in the right.

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        This Century says:

        He’s not offended. It is all faux outrage. Most of the settled immigrant population – the older members of the second generation – agree with Farage. Britain is full and everybody knows it.

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          Tom Catesby. says:

          Which is why brother Blunkett has got into such hot water recently. Faced with having to back up his muzzie vote, who kicked off in Sheffield over a threatened influx of new immigrants. kind of funny in a sad sort of way.

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    • 104
      UKIP to the max says:

      If just one good thing emerges from this its that race hustlers like Lee Grasper are offended, he has offended many people with his bigotry and grubby divisive opportunism.

      If Grasper is unhappy you just know it was right.

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    Osama the Nazarene says:

    Enoch Powell was a very clever man.

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      Enoch says:

      The daisies can push themselves up.

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      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      If Murnaghan thinks he can put voters of supporting UKIP by comparing them to Enoch Powell he is wrong , each time some leftie pro EU interviewer, whether BBC or SKY tries to play the racist card it must pile on ukip votes by the thousands.

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      • 19
        Joe says:

        A point will come when this dam of lies and propaganda is breached, I just hope that’s done through the ballot box.

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          This Century says:

          The point has already passed.

          The hole has indeed been made: some time in the last few weeks. Not sure exactly how it happened but the changes in public opinion are in full flood and probably unstoppable for the foreseeable future.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            Could it have been the rapid events of:

            i) Denis Macshane being sent to prison over expenses fraud (dragging that old scandal back, implying cover up and further dishonesty still not resolved)

            ii) Climate change frauds getting stuck in ice in the Antarctic + clearly a cold winter

            iii) Realization that the R’omanian / B’ulgarian influx is starting, with Keith Vaz trying to score points, and Dave talking about relocating Turkey on the Greenbelt.

            iv) Negative economic news, for those who understand what gilt yield rises mean in context of QE and current government economic policy.

            v) Unnecessary flooding and power cuts in some part of the country, with Dave only concerned about insurance companies paying out, carpets and windmills.

            vi) News that victims of the 2011 riots still have not received compensation.

            vii) Failed PR stunt with Estate Agent for Help to Buy promotion

            viii) 24 hours for the UK rapid Naval response to intercept a Russ!an warship dripping with missiles that showed up unannounced in the Murray Firth, due to lack of boats.

            ix) The Yewtree stuff…

            x) Rail fare increases above the reported rate of inflation

            xi) Reports that Fallujah has been captured by AQ. Ok – for some who perhaps believed in Blair and the war, that surely must trigger some reflection on basic values and judgement.

            xii) Government deciding in the midst of this to wind up pensioners by giving out one of Dave’s cast iron guarantees about the state pension.

            There is a lot more, but for three weeks that should be enough to cause even the most apolitical person in the country to perhaps realize something is not quite right.

            Reading those as is, that is an awful twelve days of Christmas that the coalition have delivered, and we haven’t yet seen the retailers figures, but some well known high street stores going out of business in the next month or so is not beyond the bounds of possibility next, as Dave tells us the economy is good again.

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          • (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

            Spot on, CO5!

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    Bye, bye Grant Shapps...or is it Michael Green ? says:

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      Corinne Stockheath says:

      Rubbish. He should stay.

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      Casual Observer 5 says:

      Shapps is an Ok kind of guy, but they should replace him with Michael Fabricant.

      Mike is a straight shooter and damned fine chap who would be able to connect with the people in the right sort of way.

      There should be no animosity like this towards Shapps though as he does not deserve it.

      People should regard him as being like a male Maria Hutching’s, in the purely political sense.

      Honest at heart, tried his best, but put in the position of coal mine Canary by Cameron to die on a burning pyre of failed PR strategy.

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    Can we have a GE tomorrow? says:

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      Reader says:

      Not too sure how reliable an AOL online poll is. Bless.

      Nevertheless, something has definitely changed in the public mood in the last few weeks.

      The three main parties had better pray there are no unexpected by-elections. None of them are safe.

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        How about a Mirror Online poll? says:

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          Reader says:

          The same problem applies I am afraid. Online polls are not very reliable gauges of opinion. I would be very surpised if the Conservative support is down to 2%, but am not at all surprised they only get 2% support in an online poll in the Mirror. The disparity of support for Labour also speaks volumes: 41% in the Mirror and 24% with AOL.

          Nevertheless, I am sure that there has been a recent, and very major shift in public perceptions.

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          • Keep Calm, Vote UKIP says:

            True.

            Which is why polling 30% in recent local elections is so relevant.

            Not to mention the improving numbers UKIP has generally enjoyed at by-elections throughout 2012, continued in 2013.

            All polls are inaccurate, but if they are conducted honestly, the trends cannot be denied. The one trend that cannot be denied is that UKIP are gaining traction with the electorate, and are now perceived as a credible choice.

            Vote UKIP.

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          • Ma­qbo­ul says:

            Mirror readers are generally working class and Labour. The interesting thing about this poll is that it suggests that a lot of working class Labour supporters – those who would never dream of voting Tory and who have never heard of Liberals – now have a credible alternative party to vote for.

            Despite the protestations and denials, UKIP is a threat to both Labour and Tories alike.

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        • 106
          Anonymous says:

          I have never heard anybody say they will vote for ukip.The perception of Nigel is that he is a nutter, who is divisive and who has bonkers policices that will never work !

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          HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

          Just a few short years ago many respondents would not have even heard of UKIP.

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      • 63
        Potential says:

        How’s Goggins?

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        Tom Catesby. says:

        But have the UK voters got the attention span to make it to the next GE? and there will be another 18 months of continuous brainwashing and scare tactics from the usual suspects.

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  8. 12
    Nick Milicam says:

    Our name is mud and we’re all in it together.

    http://bit.ly/1az72yA

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    Luciana Burgers says:

    Rivers cost £9 trillion a year.

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    It seems telling the truth is a revolutionary act says:

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      Reader says:

      Mr Farage seemed to handle that pretty well. I have certainly seen worse performances by politicians.

      The interviewer is not very bright; he asked questions and then didn’t wait for an answer. All that does is irritate viewers after a time, especially as Mr Farage was clearly not avoiding trying to give replies to the questions.

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    Tories on the Back Foot says:

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      Enoch says:

      Crap attempt at playing the racism card.

      The metropolitan “elite” gasp in horror; not so those many millions living with enrichment on a daily basis.

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      The British Public says:

      Who is Tim Farron? Why should we care what he thinks?

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      Strangely Brown says:

      Do the voters of Westmorland realise that Farron wants to replace them?

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    • 145
      Historian says:

      If there is one thing that should be fucking obvious, it is that Enoch was 100% correct.

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        can i just say says:

        The more Enoch Powell is discussed and the public actually
        read what he wrote rather than listening to lefties demonising
        him,the better.

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        • 199
          Anonymous says:

          Quite so, because 90% of what Enoch said was true and has come to pass. It is high time Enoch had his reputation restored.

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      Where are Tony Blair's Expenses says:

      Great post from Farron when his party is about to be wiped out in 2015. Currently trending about 8% and dropping

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    • 226
      Daily joker says:

      What a comedian!
      There’s a living to be made on the stage come 2015

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    • 330
      John Bellingham says:

      Tim Farron stated on BBC Question Time that he went into politics at the age of 16 after watching “Cathy Come Home” on TV. That show was broadcast in 1966, four years before Farron was BORN! The show was broadcast again in 1968. It was released on video in 2003. Farron is a pathetic liar–presumably he was around when Powell made his famous speech?

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      Prof Chris Turkey, master sailor says:

      Nick Robinson: BBC made a ‘terrible mistake’ over global warming debate.

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        Bill Quango MP/9 says:

        Is this the same Nick Robinson who said “Everyone knew there was a rift between Brown and Blair yet the BBC never reported it because of the lobby system.”

        And

        “Nick Robinson, who last night admitted he had toed the government line too strongly during his reportage of the Iraq War, and admitted that he didn’t ‘do enough’ to seek out dissenting views.”

        And

        Nick Robinson admits he can’t place Algeria on a map…

        But in fairness he is one of the least biased of the BBC reporters. He’s just in the bubble. At least he eventually owns up to his errors.

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    • 34
      The British Public says:

      And the BBC is still making the same terrible mistake.

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      Podiceps says:

      The BBC was a terrible mistake.

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        Chlöe Sal Gerbeeba says:

        Perhaps this is when it all went wrong :

        “Reith’s daughter, Marista Leishman, revealed how her father in the 1930s did everything possible to keep Winston Churchill and other anti-appeasement Conservatives off the airwaves.” [Wiki extract]

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      • 71
        Marie Antoinette says:

        Back in the 30s the BBC’s paper of choice was presumably the Daily Maily, a.k.a. the Daily Hitler. That’s when Reith seems to have lost the plot.

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      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      Since when is it the job of the BBC to have a debate on anything, their job is to report the news, not express opinion.
      The real crime they have committed is the suppression of any reasoned argument on just about any topic that runs contrary to received left wing orthodoxy.
      Childrens programmes ,soap operas, documentaries ,dramas even sports coverage all have the same thread running through them.

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      • 149
        BBC Trust - an oxymoron says:

        +1 and many, many more.

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          i want my money back says:

          Robinson has admitted that on major issues facing our country
          over the past 15 years,the BBC couldn’t be trusted to report the
          news fairly,accurately or even at all.
          What exactly is the point of the BBC?

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          • Vlad the Loudhailer says:

            None.

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          • FFS says:

            “didn’t have a proper debate on immigration from the late 1990s”: What Robinson is really saying is that during the whole time that Labour were in power from 1997 and bringing in immigrants, the BBC decided to support the Labour Party’s position.

            Now that immigration as an issue is perceived to be hurting the Tory party and driving people to UKIP, the BBC has decided that it would be a good time to have a debate on immigration.

            Fuck off you manipulative bastards. You’re so far up the arse of Labour you can’t see right from wrong.

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    a Lone Voice says:

    I don’t suppose anyone is interested in the truth but Enoch Powell never said rivers of blood, that was said by the press. Rather like the bedroom tax today.

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      This Century says:

      No-one under about 70 cares what Enoch Powell actually said. Most people have no real clue who he was. He is possibly not the bogey-man any more that the MSM elite seem to think he is.

      How old was Cameron when that speech was made? 16 months old? 17 months? Ed Miliband’s mother wasn’t even pregnant yet.

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    • 49
      Lord Duckhouse of Pondlife says:

      +1

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      Marie Antoinette says:

      Tell me about it !

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      Anonymous says:

      No he didn’t. He quoted the Sibyl prophesies in the epic poem Aeneid, 6, 86–87, of “wars, terrible wars, / and the Tiber foaming with much blood.”

      ‘As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see “the River Tiber foaming with much blood”. That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century. Only resolute and urgent action will avert it even now. Whether there will be the public will to demand and obtain that action, I do not know. All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.’

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      Anonymous says:

      Powell quoted the Sibyl prophesies in the epic poem Aeneid, 6, 86–87, of “wars, terrible wars, / and the Tiber foaming with much blood.”

      ‘As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, I seem to see “the River Tiber foaming with much blood”. That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century. Only resolute and urgent action will avert it even now. Whether there will be the public will to demand and obtain that action, I do not know. All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.’

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      • 331
        John Bellingham says:

        Powell was a Classics professor. The modern elite (excluding Boris) think that the Classics was a 1970s R&B group that their Dads danced to.

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  14. 27
    Graeme Swann says:

    Bum rape etc

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  15. 28
    Fuck the MSM says:

    When the Telegraph doesn’t allow comments you know the game is up, expect more Nigel Farage bashing with trick questions, set ups and damn right lies running up to the Euro elections.

    http://tinyurl.com/khnzgwm

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    • 57
      Bill Quango MP/9 says:

      The Telegraph is to UKIP what the Guardian is to Labour.
      if the Telegraph aren’t allowing comments its to protect Nigel.

      Telegraph became the print wing of UKIP many years ago. When Dave started huskying about.

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  16. 29
    Equal and Opposite reaction says:

    Turned out Murnaghan’s rivers of mud has turned out as a public relations coup for Mr Farage, the EU vote will certainly turn into an EU referendum if the Mafia sorry Media keep trying to trip the guy up, have an honest go at him but you play dirty tricks as Murnaghan did then you just keep getting more of the public on his side, who are willing to vote UKIP.

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  17. 33
    The pound in your pocket has never been worth less ! says:

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      JH34989342529345 says:

      Probably entirely intentional.

      Anyone who has read The Grapes of Wrath will know that unscrupulous employers in California deliberately created the impression that there was far more work available than in actuality, thus inviting a human wave of ‘Okies’ who created a vast oversupply of labour and would work for less out of sheer desperation.

      Same trick here.

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  18. 37
    Adam Bolton ( Christ Church, Oxford team) says:

    It’s all Alastair Stewart’s fault.

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  19. 38
    Mr Harman says:

    But it back fired on Murnaghan didn’t it, Farage has come out of it higher up the ratings.

    The today program won’t cover it as they are in Lagos searching for big black gay cock.

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      Reader says:

      Farage’s ratings would have increased in the past couple of weeks anyway. There has been a very significant change in the public’s perceptions on these and a number of other issues in the last few weeks. The polls are only just beginning to catch up with and reflect that.

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      • 123
        (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

        Spot on! I’ve noticed that, especially on the blogs! Lots of new names up too, besides the regulars. Something has changed; and in the past three weeks. Dramatically!

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    • 119
      Anonymous says:

      Yes. I turned on to Today and it was Evan Davis in Lagos for some reason. I had to retune to a commercial station. If I’d wanted to listen to World Service , I ‘d have tuned into it myself.

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      • 129
        Disgusted of Mitcham says:

        They really are taking the piss.

        How much will have cost to send a braodcast team all the way out there and so soon after the Mandela wankfest. It really can only be described as piss taking jolly.

        The Today programme really isn’t the platform for this programme. Also noted that Labour crony Jim O’neil (ex Goldman Sachs) featured heavily in the prog.

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      • 337
        Pick litter for bennies says:

        He,s checking that our foreign aid is being well spent on the space program.

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    • 329
      (Not so)Dangerous Brian says:

      You mean members of that great bastion of unbiased reporting the Today programme are “gay” and may only be in Africa to satisfy carnal desire (and get a bit of a free tan).
      How dare you?

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  20. 51
    We can't manage migration while Uk's in the EU says:

    “A large UK supermarket chain estimated in 2007 that there were 80 million people living in the UK, based on its sales of staple foods.

    Based on its previous blunders, I conclude that the current government hasn’t the faintest clue how many people are living here.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/n

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    • 55
      This Century says:

      I suspect they have a very good idea indeed, based on being able to pinpoint mobile phone usage very precicely and extrapolate statistically from the figures in comparison to census and other records.

      That is why they don’t want to conduct censuses in future or, at least, publish the results: they know the real fgures in real time already. They also know that the population figures are inaccurate by a statistically significant and identifiable extent, and also know that the outrage if the truth were known would be politically unsurvivable.

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      Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

      It’s more likely that with the UK being the obesity capital of Europe that the population is nearer 60 million with 20 million fat bastards eating enough for two.

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  21. 52
    We can't manage migration while Uk's in the EU says:

    City Eye: Facts on a plate: our population is at least 77 million

    “It is the statistic that dare not speak its name, though eventually it must. It has huge ramifications for the civil and political life of this country, the health of the equity markets and, most immediately, the residential property market. So don’t forget you read it here first: the population of the UK is presently somewhere between 77 and 80 million.

    The 2001 census, already hopelessly out of date and easy to avoid for those who find filling in forms a trifle inelegant, numbered us at a little under 59 million. But as statistics go, that one’s most definitely a damned lie.

    My sources for the above statement are good, but scared of admitting the truth for fear of incurring the wrath of Whitehall. It’s like the best way of monitoring illegal drug consumption: forget the pious statements from ministers – the foolproof method is to sample our water and the effluent in it. That’s easily the best way of monitoring what the nation has been consuming.

    Consumption – that’s the thing. Based on what we eat, one big supermarket chain reckons there are 80 million people living in the UK. The demand for food is a reliable indicator; as Sir Richard Branson says, you can have all the money in the world but you can only eat onelunch and one dinner.

    The supermarket in question was privately lobbying the Competition Commission to let it grow its market share. The argu- ment, reasonably enough, was that the market was far bigger than the regulator realised, so expanding the network was fair.

    I have a second, respectable, source. A major, non-commercial agricultural institution reckons there are 77 million of us in the UK. Again, its reckoning is based on what we eat.

    That faint background noise you’re hearing as you read this is the sound of everyone slithering off the record. Why? In political terms, standing behind these figures would be to toss a hand grenade into a vat of gasoline. People would be hounded out of a job for scaremongering.

    The Office for National Statistics’ figures, published last week, predict a population of 75 million by 2051. It’s an honest estimate but horribly wide of the mark because number counting doesn’t work effectively. If you want to know how many there are of us, ask a food firm.”

    The Independent

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/city-eye-facts-on-a-plate-our-population-is-at-least-77-million-395428.html

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      We Have a La La Government says:

      You are dead right. It is also a clue to the answer to one of the great political mysteries of the age: why the utterly incompetent senior officials at the Home Office are never sacked and why they usually go on to fill other plumb posts in Whitehall or the revolving door as if nothing had ever been messed up. The reason they can carry on with their careers with impunity is that politicians do not want the truth to get out. Preferment is provided where none is deserved because everyone involved is as guilty as hell.

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      • 88
        Anonymous says:

        I HEARD ON BBC WORLD SERVICE TODAY THAT POPULATION OF BRITAIN AT CRIMEAN WAR WAS 20 MILLION . WE ARE NOW ALLEGEDLY OVER 70 MILLION AND R ISING .

        HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY ACCOMODATE ALL THE CURRENT POPULATION NEVER MIND FUTURE GROWTH PROJECTIONS .

        ” FOR THOSE WITH EYES TO SEE …. “

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        • 183
          Stop All Immigration says:

          By shitting concrete all over the remaining countryside to build pretty little suburban houses and fucking motorways everywhere. Milton Keynsian hell.

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    • 291
      Vlad the Loudhailer says:

      You are correct, when MHRC lost a disc (about 5 years ago) with all the PAYE details of the nation; it stated that 40 million people could be affected. The biggest supermarket did state that it estimated the population to be 80 million based on analysis of its loyalty card use.

      That is why the country should move to benefits being in the form of food (shelter, and heat) and not cash. People are not going to ship potatoes to Romania or cabbages Poland or trade them on the street for cigarettes, alcohol or drugs. Benefits should be to ensure that people do not starve or die of cold, the fact that people talk of a benefit lifestyle shows how corrupt and useless the system has become.

      The government should lay out nutritional standards for a child, adult and pensioner in the form of quantities per week of given foods, eg 2 kilos of potatoes, 1 kg carrots, 1 cabbage etc. This should then be collected or delivered from their chosen local supermarket or shop. If the food is not collected for three weeks the benefit is stopped and child protection notified.

      The advantages are that billions would be saved because of reduction in fraud, feckless mothers are not going to breed to get extra potatoes, benefits can’t be shipped abroad and children will get proper nutrition, good food and not become obese. By making the benefit system cashless people will have to work or undertake some activity to get cash for drink, cigarettes, holidays and other such luxuries.

      This common sense solution, I suspect, is too simple to be taken up by any political party!

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        FFS says:

        I’m not sure I believe these figures. If you believe the population has suddenly grown to 80million from 60 million when Major was in power, then you are talking about a 33% increase in numbers. There is nowhere to put all these people, and even if you imagine they are living with previous immigrants then you would be saying for every single member of the ethnic minorities there is one illegal immigrant. The strain on public services, supermarkets and housing would have already pushed us way past breaking point.

        Supermarkets gain a monopoly market every time they get a new site. They will use all manner of lies to get what they want. This seems to be the latest ploy.

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        • 332
          John Bellingham says:

          Clearly the population was under-reported for years and years. I can never remember a time back to the 1960s when there was not a shortage of social housing, congestion on roads, insufficient schools, hospital beds etc. Eithe there was gross mismanagement in forecasting or the population ballooned ahead of planning. Has the number of National Insurance numbers ever been published? If so, how does it match census figures?

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      • 326
        First they ignore UKIP, then they laugh at UKIP, then they fight UKIP, then UKIP win says:

        bring back rationing… that’s how far we’ve progressed !

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  22. 53
    The irony is. Today All 3 LibLabCon leaders are saying the same says:

    Mr Powell, then shadow defence spokesman, had told a Conservative association meeting that Britain was mad to allow in 50,000 dependants of immigrants every year – and compared it to a nation building its own funeral pyre. He said: ‘Like the Roman, I see the river Tiber foaming with much blood.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534353/Basic-principle-Enochs-Rivers-Blood-speech-right-says-Nigel-Farage.html

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    • 153
      It ain't immigration, it's invasion says:

      Imagine how he’d have felt at the 5,000,000 immigrants Dave & Co let it.

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      FFS says:

      The thing is that back in ’68 everybody was saying that Enoch was wrong. Then in the ’70s we were told that immigrants were all lovely people that would assimilate into our superior culture, that they didn’t commit a lot of crime (us whites were just so racist we kept putting too many in gaol) and that they were all very hard working.

      They are still banging that same drum, but the reality is upon us. Enoch was the one that was right and the establishment was wrong. Very wrong. They’ve lied to us for decades.

      Farage can do himself no harm by being on the right side of the argument, and Enoch’s speech doesn’t have the negative connotations it had in the 70’s because his “racist doom-mongering” has proven to be spot on. If people bother to read it they will say “He warned about all of it. Why did nobody listen?”

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  23. 54
    The Break Out. says:

    Anyway. Nigel Farage will be flatted that he is now considered a political heavyweight by the MSM.

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  24. 60
    Bill Quango MP/9 says:

    Ken Livingstone on LBC on Saturday.

    “Foreign workers are attracted to London because they can earn 5 times as much as in their own country doing the same job”

    Good start..well spotted Ken. But his solution?

    “Raise the minimum wage to £12 or £15 to attract UK workers.”

    Erm…Ken..If immigrants are attracted at 5 times their national average wage how many more will be attracted at 10 times?

    Earning the equivalent of £50 an hour as a Waiter/waitress won’t discourage them Ken.

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  25. 61
    Jimmy says:

    I see righties foaming with much shit.

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    • 62
      Mark Oaten says:

      Really honey, where where ???

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    • 73
      Podiceps says:

      But you always do, old fruit, you always do.

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    • 83
      The Labour Party says:

      How dare Righties complain that thanks to immigration, working class Britons now struggle to find even low-paid jobs! How dare they complain that thanks to immigration, working class Britons now struggle to find affordable housing! How dare they!!

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      • 91
        Don't forget about Falkirk says:

        Anyone would think they Are rubbing our noses in diversity something we would never do.

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    • 101
      Nigel says:

      and piss and wind.

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    • 156
      Ed Millionaireband says:

      Up the Workers!

      (As long as they are immigrant workers)

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      • 177
        Two faced Ed says:

        Today I shall pretend to sympathise with British workers who
        lose work, while trying not to alienate my liberal leftie supporters
        by praising hard working immigrants.

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    • 172
      JH34989342529345 says:

      I’ll bet you live in some nice lily-white patch of metropolitan bliss Jimmy. Nice little boutique shops and that.

      I’ll also bet any kids of yours go to a school where speaking English is not an issue.

      But there you are, making emotionalised attacks on anyone who thinks diversity should not be forced on the masses.

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      • 197
        Stella Creasy says:

        I moved away from a ‘multicultural area’ (next to a Kashmiri ghetto) to live inTthe Village in Walthamstow. This expensive little district is one of the few white enclaves left in East London. Locals call this small collection of streets populated by wannabe beeboids and corrupt Green Party apparachiks the ‘The White Highlands’.

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        • 215
          The last white Londoner says:

          I though Walthamstow was in N. London ???

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          • Ma­qbo­ul says:

            North East London. “North London” is your Hampsteads, West Hampsteads, St Johns Woods, Highgates, Primrose Hills, Islingtons and the like. Walhamstow with its dog track, reservoirs, market and the like is definately more East than Norf innit.

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          • Londoner says:

            That’s what the estate agents want you to think.

            It was originallly part of West Essex. It is to the east of Hackney. Fascinating area: part white working class suburbia, part declining industrial multicultural inner city, part trendy bohemia. At 15 minutes from Liverpool Street it is also one of the closest liveable areas to the City. Luckily, the road connections to Stratford are dreadful so the Olympics ‘regenerations’ have not wrecked the place.

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  26. 64
    Casual Observer 5 says:

    But the river of mud which Murnaghan attempted to release seems to have backfired.

    Perhaps if there was more attention paid to the task of removing the silt, such rivers would flow more as expected…

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  27. 72
    The current state of British Politics says:

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  28. 75
    An overwhelming sense of déjà vu says:

    To see one Rich ‘cartoon’ might be considered bad luck but seeing two is a sure sign of an adjustment to the Matrix.

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  29. 87
    Ed Milliband-wagon says:

    You reall can’t make this up. Milliband and Labour jumping another passing bandwagon

    Owen Paterson’s climate change scepticism ‘has blinded him to future flooding risks’, claims Labour as winter storm continues to batter Britain

    The Independent

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/owen-patersons-climate-change-scepticism-has-blinded-him-to-future-flooding-risks-9040033.html

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    • 127
      Long John Silver's parrot says:

      It beats talking about horse meat in the food chain.

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    • 255
      common sense says:

      It’s not rising water levels that is the problem but more to do with the UK sinking under the weight of millions of additional immigrants arriving on these shores.

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  30. 89
    broderick crawford says:

    OFF SUBJECT SAYS

    I DO NOT KNOW IF GUIDO WILL ALLOW THIS

    BUT EUROPEAN PRESS REPORT OVER WEEKEND STATE THAT NEWS LEAKED FROM NORTH KOREA SUGGEST STRONGLY THST THE UNCLE OF KIM JONG EUN AND HIS 15 OR SO CO CONSPIRATORS WERE NOT __ AS PREVIOUSLY REPORTED ….SHOT OR MACHINE GUNNED BUT PLACED IN AN ENCLOSURE TO WHERE 120 DOGS STARVED FOR THREE DAYS WERE LOOSED ON THEM AND PROCEEDED TO TEAR THEM LIMB FROM LIMB WHIKST STILL ALIVE .

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  31. 94
    Anonymous says:

    can we have a today programme guest edited by Nigel Farage?

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  32. 99
    Nigel says:

    As I look ahead I am filled with foreboding. Within five years half my voters will kick the bucket and the rest of the popuolation thinks we’re nutters.

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  33. 103
    Anonymous says:

    Moanaghan spending too much time with ladies.How did he expect to catch someone with a factual quote?

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  34. 107
    UKIP to the max says:

    UKIP now on course to become the largest party in UK politics?

    Everything the bin diving smear merchants of the liblabcon and their running dogs in the MSM have tried so far has pushed more people towards UKIP. Out of touch and nearly out of time, the liblabcon need to go.

    The liblabcon has failed the British people, its has failed on every level and by any measure you care to name, it works for the interests of a tiny minority, it looks after a rich parasitical establishment that has no interest in us or our lives.

    VOTE UKIP, they aint perfect but when you look at the liblabcon dregs they become the only viable option.

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  35. 111
    The British media are cunts says:

    The Tories see immigration as “rivers of cheap labour” that can be abused. If you’re a fat Tory fuck why wouldn’t you want to employ a Romanian on £1 a day with no employment rights or health & safety? Notice how quiet the unions are on this as well. They want the mass immigration to help boost Labour.

    You’d have thought by now western Europe would have caught on to the fact that they have mass youth unemployment yet millions of eastern Europeans can turn up and get a job in 5 minutes. The only way this is possible is if they work for peanuts, these are NOT IT experts or entrepreneurs, they are simply the poor of eat Europe being exploited by rich Tory shit and welcomed by Cameron’s Tory mates.

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    • 142
      The metrosexuals are running the Tory party. says:

      But. Cameron is not a Tory. He’s a left leaning social democrat.

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    • 167
      Brane Sell says:

      Funny thing is, Labour love immigrants even more.

      Even Red Len McClusterfuck hasn’t said a word about protecting British workers’ jobs.

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      • 178
        The only good MP is a dead MP says:

        McCluskey’s been having too much fun playing with his pet Milipoodle to notice what’s going on.

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      • 185
        Unite union- helping those who threaten British workers jobs says:

        Unite has been too busy trying to attract new members
        among immigrants and offering them help to claim benefits.

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    • 175
      BBC establishment says:

      The astonishing thing that no one seems to get is that hardly any of this immigration is of any use at all to the people of the UK. They can pay their income tax in their native land and regularly send money that could be spent here back home. It is draining liquidity out of Britain.

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      • 203
        Economics 101 says:

        It is also making any projections about growth based on classic assumptions about the multiplier effect meaningless.

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      • 263
        M­­a­q­bo­ul says:

        If they’re here for more than 90 days then they pay UK income tax. If they are liable for tax in their own country also then they can set off the UK contributions against that.

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        • 300
          FFS says:

          Apparently this is not the case. If they are not expecting to be in the UK for as long as 2 years they can pay tax at home rather than in the UK.

          The reasoning, which comes from the EU, is that most EU nations will not allow you to claim access to public services in your home country if you haven’t paid tax there. So, if you haven’t paid tax in Romania for two years because you were cleaning cars in the UK, when you go home you wouldn’t be able to use the local hospital. So the EU introduced a scheme where you pay taxes to your home country rather than the UK to get around this. All the Romanians and Bulgarians know about this, because the specialist employment agencies are making it clear everything they can claim.

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      • 315
        Anonymous says:

        It’s not just liquidity that immigration drains, it is money re-circulation. Every penny that exits the UK could have been spent in the UK, helping the economy.

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  36. 120
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    I like the suggestion of Guido Fawkes that the big issue in the next election should be the causes of the 100 Years War.

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    • 131
      (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

      You’re fucked, Cameron! Off to the Job Centre with you, you useless (vnt!

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      • 180
        BBC establishment says:

        No I think Guido believes the main issue should be the Roman invasion of Britain. Though to be fair at least that kind of immigration was beneficial to most of those Brits they did not slaughter.

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    • 132
      An awkward bastard says:

      The big issue for the next Election is that when we leave the EU what will we do with all those EU citizens resident in the UK but earning under £27,500 per annum .

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      • 135
        Flying over the Westminster Village says:

        Another problem will be that when the date for our withdrawal is announced what will we do with the millions who will fcuking flock here from all parts of the EU at the last minute with no job offers whatsoever?

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        • 141
          An English Entrepreneur says:

          The thought of an independent EU based Scotland alongside an independent non EU England and Wales interests me a lot .

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          • BBC establishment says:

            The big problem if we leave the EU is what do we do with all that extra money we have. If it was up to Cameron it would go to Argentina or Spain or any of our other enemies.

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          • Cornish pasty says:

            As long as an independent EU based Scotland adopts the Euro.

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          • Sellside says:

            Or vice versa as Scotland might have to leave the EU temporarily. Very interesting this though. On the one hand we’d have an extra vote for English-speaking countries which could be useful at certain times. Just wonder what happens if Scotland does a Latvia and goes in the Euro. Would that make us more likely to go in too (I think it would unfortunately).

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  37. 126
    albacore says:

    “A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of the truth.”
    Einstein’s advice tastes yet more bitter the longer that you grow in the tooth
    Russian missiles in Cuba brought us to the brink of annihilation
    The same fate, in the end, that our own state has pursued with immigration

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    • 164
      tn02 says:

      …and remember this. It was the consequences of racial and gender equalitarianism and legislation that led to the subversive adoption of Political Correctness that has facilitated this immigration invasion by rendering any discussion on the topic as verboten by labelling it as being racist.

      One racial group features strongly behind this subversion with the rest of their cheerleaders acting as useful idiots. They have successfully enlisted other minorities as fellow activists in order to subvert the indigenous population. Politics reallycan be very dirty game in deed.

      Much the same has happened in the US and the rest of Western Europe.

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  38. 130
    A Prawn Sandwich says:

    If someone wishes to indulge in activities which some may class as criminal then why should we as taxpayers subsidize their legal fees if they are charged?

    Nothing wrong with taking out your own insurance in advance. Problem solved.

    I would like to see the full list of striking legal aid barristers this morning.

    If they do not like the terms and conditions of working for the taxpayer then keep them away from this work.

    There is a massive over supply of lawyers caused by too many training contracts so let the laws of supply and demand do what comes naturally.

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    • 151
      Rhodes Boyson says:

      I propose that if a prisoner is released from Prison under an early release scheme it should be on the basis that he or she takes out compulsory third party liability and legal expense insurance for the next 10 years.

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      • 169
        Lock 'em up and throw away the key. says:

        I propose that prisoners are never released from prison under any scheme.

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      • 200
        Dave Pin Prick Cameron says:

        George has just said we need to make 25 billion in cuts during the next Parliament.

        Today we have lawyers bleating over cuts which will save a measly 220 million.

        That is the enormity of the task we face.

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    • 188
      Casual Observer 5 says:

      That is a tricky one for all concerned.

      The problem is that the current system – maybe spurred by changes introduced by Labour – encourages waste.

      They are talking about removing funding from defense not prosecuting side.

      So, whilst the defense costs have been jacked up by inefficiencies in the system, so have prosecution but there is no talk of reducing that.

      The insurance you speak of is already covered by tax layers and is being removed. If people are forced to take out insurance before the fact as a precaution against criminal legal defense costs – and M’itchell case shows that anyone can be fitted up falsely – then is this not leading to a form of poll tax.

      Or worst, with a weakened defense side the justice system could finally implode as it will not be possible for people to have access to reasonable defense. That implosion would be of form that if you are charged then you get a recordas a result of being in a position of having to sign a plea deal. Not guilty essentially is priced out.

      This has already happened for family cases.

      The system needs to be made more efficient by reducing the inflation effect that solicitors add not by removing access to good defense. If there was a similar reduction on the CPS side and a cap on trial costs then this move would make sense.

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      • 206
        A cheeky scouser says:

        The future is more strict liability criminal offenses with mandatory fixed fines and prison sentences.

        This would save loads and loads of court time and expense.

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        • 209
          Steve from North Korea says:

          No need for any strikes just as I thought.

          Just need efficient clear minded governance

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          • Rhodes Boyson says:

            The taxpayer has been paying far too much for a rubbish legal system which serves them not a jot.

            Cameron’s proposals hardly touch the service. Millitwit has his finger in his bottom. Clegg likes his freebies with the Society of Liberal Lawyers and Nigel cannot get out of the Pub because of the anti immigration hordes.

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        • 218
          Rhodes Boyson says:

          Why not just cut the number of legal offences on the Statute book by 50% and introduce new offences on a “one in one out basis” .

          It probably won’t improve things but it won’t make things any worse.

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      • 238
        Hoovervilles says:

        During the Reign of Terror ’97 to ’10 New Labour introduced 3,000 new laws half of which were connected to minority/equalitarian matters.

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    • 307
      FFS says:

      As I see it the problem is the entire justice system needs to be revised.

      1] Better lawyers should be assigned to more difficult cases. You should not be allowed to pay more to get a “better” lawayer to obtain “better justice”

      2] Court cases should never last more than a week. If they last more than a week everybody has forgotten what was said at the beginning of a trial anyway.

      3] There is really no need for the prosecution to do anything more than state its case. We don’t actually need to see the witnesses for the prosecution detailing the prosecutions case fromt heir own mouths in some kind of ridiculous drama. The defence needs to do that to cast doubt on the witness credibility, but not the prosecution.

      4] The prosecution already sets out its case in commital. The defence should then prepare its own case also prior to the trial. The judge should throw out any attempt by the defence to wander off its own plot.

      5] The law should be clear and the penalites fixed. There are far too many “excuses” used to justify having broken the law. Bullshit. If everyone knows the penalties and the law, then tough shit if you don’t want to do the time, don’t do the crime (or at least don’t get caught!). 90% of trials are open and shut and yet they still manage to drag them out for days based on presenting “mitigating circumstances”. In the old days such open and shut cases were dealt with in a matter of minutes!

      Our entire legal system has become a ridiculous ever more drawn out farce that deserves to be on the stage not part of our legal system. That is why it has become so expensive to seek justice. It only suits the lawayers and the criminals.

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    Mr Potato Head says:

    Now that Labour have admitted they were completely wrong about immigration and UKIP was right all along, which party are those lefties who constantly scream ‘UKIP are racist’ now going to vote for?

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  40. 154
    Gawd Help Us says:

    It wont be rivers of blood where I live, more like rivers of Tyskie lager, empty cans and discarded vodka bottles.

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    The BBC only made one terrible mistake, Nick?

    One?

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      FFS says:

      Ha! You’re right SC. More like a friggin catalogue of mistakes one on top of the other coming out recently! Glad I don’t pay for it anymore!

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  42. 170
    BBC establishment says:

    We do rivers of crud.

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  43. 198
    Geoffrey Brooking says:

    I’m sure Cameron will have enjoyed Dermot doing his dirty stuff.

    Thing is the British people can see through it all nowadays.

    Enoch was right, Nigel is right and Ukip are right.

    All the way to victory in the European Elections.

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  44. 208
    Knob Ed says:

    Ballth ith a nightmare. I’ve told him to thtop thaying too far too fatht. The new catchphrathe ith cotht of living crithith.

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  45. 211
    Labour Party says:

    Good to see Channel 4 doing profiles of some of our salt of the earth core supporters. The programme’s called Benefit Street.

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    Want a new job? says:

    The BBC are looking for political producers.

    http://careerssearch.bbc.co.uk/jobs/job/political-producers-talent-pool/6570

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    • 229
      Nick Griffin says:

      I’m free !

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    • 236
      C.O.Jones says:

      They probably need input as to how to change the current format to one like Fox News.

      Actually not as they would have to replace all current staff so many vacancies would have been advertised.

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      • 240
        BBC News and Propaganda Unit says:

        We’re only pretending to advertise.
        The jobs have already been earmarked for Guardian
        hacks and the Oxbridge educated off-spring of current
        BBC staff.

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    • 241
      A few more won't doan harm ? says:

      I heard on the R4 Today programme broadcast from Lagos this morning that there are loads of Nigerian producers looking for jobs.

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      Pick litter for bennies says:

      There is only one interview question-“who do you vote for”?.

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  47. 242
    Anon. says:

    Slow as always.

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    labour are hypocrites says:

    Lest face it Farage is fucked and all over the place on immigration, he wants to ban the Irish, (bad luck Guido), but let in the Syrians. Wont have Europeans in the Country but has no problem with German wives I guess, as long as they are his. Does he think people are so stupid? You cannot on the one hand allow “refugees from Syria but not allow those from South Sudan or maybe parts of Iraq”. The man is a brainless muppet who has yet to have a coherent polixy in place, look at his defence policies FFS.

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      You post without knowledge says:

      You obviously did not listen to Mr Farage’s interview. The Irish will continue to enjoy free access to an independent UL, nothing will change.

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        labour are hypocrites says:

        No he didnt say that, he said that clearly if Eire stays in the EU, (which they would be stupid to do), then clearly controls need to be piut in place!! Farage is an idiot, and fucking hypocrite, he wants to flood the place with Syrians but not allow the Irish.

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          FFS says:

          The Irish have right of residency in the UK that goes back to the time of partition. Farage doesn’t intend to do anything about that. In any case he also stated that EU citizens already here would be permitted to remain.

          Ireland’s special status in its border relationship with the UK presents a technical problem for a UK outside the EU but with Ireland inside the EU because obviously EU citizens from other nations could enter the UK via Ireland, so probably the Irish would have to have their passports to come to the UK in future whereas at present they do not need their passports. That is all that was about.

          The Syrian question bothered me at first, but now it is clear that he was referring only to rescuing Syrian Christians caught in the cross-fire between Islamic nut-jobs and only a small proportion of them (estimated at 500 people all told).

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          • labour are hypocrites says:

            An immigrant is an immigrant when you start trying to make distinctions then he makes an ass of himself. If the country is as he states overcrowded then why add to it, he was trying to be clever. You are right with regards the status of Irish citizens, but that could be changed, and if as Farage states Eire stays in the EU then that would have to change as how do you control immigration from the rest of the EU via Ireland if you dont, it is called secure borders.

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    Chuka goes Native says:

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  50. 260
    The world could do with more Airplane style moments says:

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    P l e b says:

    More cuts on the way….ah…right…that’s ok then…so the last seven years were just the hors d’ouevres to the real main course of more economic destruction of the most vulnerable in society

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      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      VULNERABLE TO WHAT?

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    • 267
      End Scrounging says:

      There is nothing vulnerable about the Royal Family. Their allowances and tax privileges should be cut in their entirety. The Queen should have a 150,000 pound a year salary based on a 36 hour working weak. The rest should get jobs or live off the interest on their savings.

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    • 274
      M­­a­q­bo­ul says:

      Grow up.

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    • 316
      FFS says:

      Given that most of the unemployed it seems are blick or as!an I don’t give a fuck. Maybe some of them will piss off home.

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  52. 265
    P l e b says:

    Get your smokey on. Only you can prevent wildfires —->

    What is this? We don’t have wildfires near here.

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    Mr Gove is indeed ideological. In fact, that’s why so many admire him. There is something heartening about having a minister who believes in something, and who advances his argument at every opportunity. He stands out because he is in a minority of principled politicians in a sea of opportunistic careerists who would sell their grandmothers if it helped to keep them in red boxes. – DT Benedict Brogan

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  54. 270

    Simon Hoggart dead at 76

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    FFS says:

    People have been saying that only oldies support UKIP. But I have noticed a dramatic change of attitude amongst young school leavers in the last few months.

    I think what has happened is that young people that have been out of work since they left school in July have got to Christmas and realised that they can’t even get temporary work during the Christmas boom time. My son was looking for some Christmas work at weekends but was told that for every position they are getting hundreds of applications, even for very limited hours. People are stitchign a few hours here and a few hours there into complete jobs.

    I think young people have clicked on that they are screwed. They can’t compete with immigrants that claim they will work any hours for not minimum wage and have experience on working a till blah blah blah. Young people just out of school can’t even lie about that. So they end up on benefits, and the government then says “Oh, you are out of work because you are lazy, not like these hard-working immigrants we are bringing in to do the work you refuse to do”. Uh?!

    White kids make up the backbone of this nations employment force. They often start at the bottom and work their way up – but there’s no starting at the bottom anymore.

    The government keeps telling us how hard working these immigrants are – but at the same time tells us we must all be racist because we aren’t giving jobs to the bl!cks and As!ans who have double the unemployment of the “lazy” indigenes!

    The reality is that we are bringing in low-wage immigrants from the EU because the last batch of immigrants we brought in to bolster our employment are now refusing to do any work! Young white people want to work and are trying very hard to find jobs but are being crowded out by EU immigrants that have got some minimal skills and are prepared to work outside the given employment contract.

    The penny has dropped with young white people that they have been sold out by Labour and the Tories and they have no future. Immigration is now the biggest problem for youngsters. It is standing in the way of their whole future and they know it. They can’t even scrape enough money and work experience together to emigrate to Australia and start a new life. They are fucked while the current situation persists.

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    Barnsley Chop says:

    A really bad fail for Guido and the undercover Cons. “He who has the last laugh” so the saying goes.

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