January 4th, 2014

Saturday Seven-Up

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  1. 1
    Dear Mod says:

    Why is Sat u r day verboten?

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      OUT DAVE OUT DAVE OUT DAVE OUT says:

      However, Dave is a useless lying t(u)rd is an entirely acceptable comment for Moddie.

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        Mr Potato Head says:

        By suggesting that anyone with any money should pay for the enormous national debts of western economies caused by incompetent politicians, the IMF is showing itself up for the socialist organisation it is. The only way to sort out the capitalist system is to execute these IMF idiots with savage dogs and genuinely cut public spending. Countries have been living well beyond their means for far too long. It can not go on. Simply punishing those with money will not solve the problem it will just encourage even higher public spending and debt.

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          Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

          Exactly.

          What we have across the West, and in Europe in particular, is a ‘Cost of Government Crisis’

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          FFS says:

          QE is the way to resolve the debt problem.

          Do this for both public and private debt reducing the outstanding debt to about half what it is today to reset the system, then put interest rates up towards 8%.

          Debt is just numbers in computers. No way should it be causing such big problems in the real world. Problem is the world is governed by intellectual light-weights, and EU idealogues that would rather see people starve to death than admit they are in the wrong.

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          • Small Business says:

            What utter crap. When my creditors don’t pay me, I can’t feed my family. When they don’t pay their debts, i can’t invest in my business and employ others. There is nothing artificial or trivial about debts. People who welsh on debts and advocate not paying them or paying them at a reduced, ‘inflated,’ rate some time in the future are thieving scum. The more such voices we hear, the less anyone in business wants to carry on.

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          • FFS says:

            But you will be paid. All you have in your bank statement is a number at the bottom. You don’t know whether that number is made up of other people’s cash or other people’s debt. You don’t care either.

            So if the part of what you have been paid is debt, but the government comes along and converts it to cash you won’t even know.

            That’s the problem with people today. They don’t understand even basic economics. They don’t understand that when a bank creates debt it is just a number they have created out of thin air. It isn’t backed by cash (well about a third of it is, but under current rules they could go down to just 10% and be within the law). Governments like it that way, because they can play games with the economy and get away with it.

            If the debt that is in the system is allowed to default, then you won’t get paid, because nobody will have any money for your products and services. That’s when a depression starts and then you can kiss goodbye to your business and probably your home. You’ll be begging a local farmer to feed your children.

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          • Small Business says:

            Have you ever run a business? Have you ever had to make the decision as to whether you can trust someone enough that they given credit or offered work, even though your whole business’s reputation depends on them delivering?

            You claim people don’t care about the numbers on a bank statement. Of course they fucking well care. Every one of those numbers means something. Usually whether someone gets to work or doesn’t get to work, which in turn means they can pay thier rent/mortgage, put fuel in their car, buyt a train ticket, feed and clothe themselves or their family. Or someone allocates their time and energies to doing something you need to have done.

            It mayalso surprise you to know that most businesses are not in debt: they are usually in credit. The biggest debtor in this country is the government, egged on by twats like you who think debt is unimportant. Going round pretending that debts are a trivial thing to be played with is pathetic.

            Don’t talk crap about pretending to know about economics: you will only know about economics when you have, like I do, over a thousand suppliers here and abroad; none of whom want to be paid in empty promises or bullshit theories.

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          • Mars Attacks! says:

            I like the 8% idea- that would mean about 6% given on savings….. yes please.

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          • Small Business says:

            PS. I will never have to beg a farmer for food, as i actually own a small farm. But that is in another country and nothing to do with your empty rhetoric.

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          • FFS says:

            “You claim people don’t care about the numbers on a bank statement. Of course they fucking well care.”

            They care about the number, but they don’t care about how that number was made up.

            “It may also surprise you to know that most businesses are not in debt”

            Nonsense. There is a huge sector dedicated to merchant banking. Companies have long lead times and require debt to finance operations, they need investment for expansion, they have short term cash-flow problems, they have debt secured against property. Massive amounts of corporate debt. There is also the recent expansion in private equity schemes to buy whole corporations using debt. I work in big business – huge amounts of debt involved all the time.

            “Have you ever had to make the decision as to whether you can trust someone enough that they given credit”

            All the time. We run credit checks on them frequently. Sometimes they still go under. We’ve extended generous credit terms because of their long lead times and they take our money with them. But there you are. We’ve done everything right and done real work, the end customer has benefitted but we get shafted by the bad debt of someone in the middle and the goverment doesn’t step in to create the cash to save us from becoming a casualty ourselves.

            “none of whom want to be paid in empty promises or bullshit theories.”

            No they don’t and neither do I. But they all shit themselves in a recession caused by massive amounts of bad debt in the system. Credit terms get tougher. It’s more difficult to do business.

            I’m not talking about the morality of having a system that has become inflated with massive amounts of unpayable debt – that definitely shouldn’t have happened. I am talking about the best way to let the shit out of the system without the innocents getting screwed by all this bad debt being allowed to go bad. To do that you need to be just as flexible with your concept of what money means as we were when we created so much debt in the first place.

            “Or someone allocates their time and energies to doing something you need to have done.”

            Exactly. We get hurt because of their bad debt. Someone has gained by our work but the middle-mans bad debt means we may go under. Why doesn’t the government bail us out? It is only a number they need to create. If we are allowed to go under jobs get lost and the situation gets worse.

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          • Cinna says:

            The politics and economics of the primary school. Successive governments have been bailing the likes of you out for donkey’s years.

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          • Reader says:

            I notice FFS you did not answer the question put to you as to whether you have ever run a business. You say you work in a big business. That makes you what? The receptionist?

            Despite all the attention they get from polticians because of the corrpution they spread about, big business is not the backbone of our economy.

            Small businesses are our nation’s main employers, and the main creators of new ideas and wealth. We need to stop polticians fucking them over by running the country for the benefit of big businesses, many of which don’t spend their profits here and don’t even pay their fait share of taxes here.

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          • FFS says:

            I am a senior engineer on the management team of a British subsidiary of a mid-sized American manufacturer. It pays taxes here as well as paying good salaries to a large number of highly skilled people.

            I am therefore well aware of the problems of cashflow, major customers demanding 90 day credit terms. In the industry I work in there can be several parties between us and the end customer. The retailer of the finished product, the manufacturer of the finished product, the distributor of the components, and then us, the component manufacturer. If we have somebody go bust in the supply chain the whole supply chain is impacted. We can usually survive one customer going under as long is it isn’t our biggest. If we have a systemic failure as we did during the dot.com crash then several customers can go under – and take us down too. This is what happened to me at my previous employer.

            Why should the whole supply chain be impacted by the failure of one bad debtor when the end customer and the first stage in the supply chain have both done their bit? Because simply the banks, which create their debt out of thin air wirth nothing to back it, make sure they get their money first.

            “Small businesses are our nation’s main employers”

            Don’t deny it. And you’ve got the wrong end of the stick, just as our friend earlier did. I’m not looking for new ways to see small business screwed, I want government or the BofE to step in to pay bad debts that occur when companies in the middle of the supply chain go under.

            “big business is not the backbone of our economy.”

            Yes it is. You forget that a huge number of those small businesses are doing b2b transactions with big business, whether it be Honda in Swindon or the Tescos in Bracknell. Take those big businesses out of the picture and you’ll see plenty of little businesses fall over, believe me. And what do they make the small businessman do? Offer 90 days or 120 days credit terms, or fuck off. Even then they don’t pay. They take your cute little red stickers on your invoice and make a nice collection of them on their accounts department whiteboard. What can you do about it? Then if they go under they’re sure to see you do to.

            I’m saying that’s wrong. I’m saying that if they go under the bad debt shouldn’t end up in the small businessman’s account. I’m saying the government should print the money and give it to the small businessman where that bad debt would have been. I’m saying what is good for the public sector – the monetising of debt – is good for the private sector. Indeed, godo for the community as a whole.

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          • pretense. says:

            gold price shoot. springtime is now. hit the la la spot and march on, as if it was the month of march. time is racing in tune with discontentment.

            pre tend that we are at the beginning of spring. get a spring in the foot and ram on. cheers.

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          • Ma­qbo­ul says:

            If you knew the first thing about business and insolvency you would know that it is not the banks who “get their money first” but the taxman.

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          Kim wrong -un says:

          I have just the animals for you.

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            If anyone feels sick about what the wrong un did – you are invited to find out what Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky were up to during their reigns of terror from 1917 to 1953 – now they were barbaric – the wrong un is a mere novice.

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          • Exhaust is i ted says:

            when the motor is done for.
            fuck it.
            whent h helli cop it or ie on. ride it.
            plane sailing laters.
            grease on your elbow is your mouth.

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      Er says:

      saturday lower case test

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    • 341
      Gordon says:

      Congratulations to the winning England team. I taught them all how to spin and to bowl underhand. Australia stand no chance.

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  2. 2
    P. J. Harvey says:

    My guest editorial has been put at the bottom of the weekly pile.

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  3. 3
    Climate scientist says:

    I don’t want to worry you Captain but I think one of my lentil turds has caused the ships toilets to back up.

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    • 163
      fake it. says:

      orderharder is the work pf THE president.
      RECTOR is a bummer.
      PROVOST has to prove.

      new RECTOR new bùm.
      change the itch.

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  4. 5
    What the BBC calls a research vessel is in fact a tourist ship says:

    https://twitter.com/RogueStaffer/status/419425125478326273

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      And the BBC remain silent says:

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        Some of his comments about the Guardian's science Jolly says:

        he said, the trip itself was a “pseudo-scientific expedition” that, because it had run into difficulties, had drained resources from the French, Chinese and Australian scientific missions in Antarctica.

        This kind of commemorative expedition has no interest from a scientific point of view

        Because of the rescue operations, French scientists had had to scrap a two-week oceanographic campaign this month using the Astrolabe,

        The Chinese have had to cancel all their scientific programme, and my counterpart in Australia is spitting tacks with anger, because their entire summer has been wiped out

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      • 73
        Lord Stansted says:

        Chris Turney, the expedition’s leader, is a professor of climate change. HTF can you be a “professor” of an idea? It’s like being a Professor of Entropy rather than of Physics. If he means climate change over millions and millions of years then why isn’t he a professor of geology? Possibly because geologists don’t think much of man-made climate change anyway.

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      I wonder why? says:

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      Expat Geordie says:

      Apparently it is all down to the wrong type of ice (I shit you not – well it is shit, but it is the latest excuse for avoiding the truth).

      Global warming/man made climate change has caused the sea in Antarctica to warm up and melt some of the underwater ice. As this melts it warms up and rises to the surface. This freshly released water then freezes when it hits the surface as the air temperature is still VERY COLD. Hence the increase in the Antarctic ice pack.

      So there you have it:

      Global warming = more ice.

      Now why this doesn’t happen in the Arctic, where apparently due to global warming there is now less ice, I don’t know. Perhaps the laws of physics change when you cross the equator, in the same way that water flows into a sink anti-clockwise in the southern hemisphere and clockwise in the northern one.

      If this excuse doesn’t work, I’m sure that another one will follow shortly.

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      • 105
        Albert Einstein says:

        Ah! It’s a relativistic effect! I wonder if its E=mc^2 at the South Pole and E=mc^3 at the North Pole?

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        • 126
          MOREmmmmmmmm says:

          alberto balsamm……must remove dandruff. the hosp awaits. pad on i. pùìñg
          yu ñīgtœ

          yu nigga?
          yu dno?
          yu ?dnœ

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        • 193
          European Science says:

          Well, some !talian’s thought you were wrong.

          Then some non-!talian’s showed them how to plug their equipment in properly.

          You were right.

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          • eàšŷ tîgèr says:

            y burn.
            my wife, Ybûm

            y bürñ
            y fî
            tiger is the itch in the bum.
            my bum, your bum.
            sameôł
            šamêàïmmmmmmmmmmmm

            ôpêñ a hàrem
            ‘àrrŷ.

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        Lord Stansted says:

        These climate “scientists” obviously missed the lecture on Occam’s razor when they attended Science 101. They did attend Science 101, didn’t they?

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        • 127
          Climate Skeptic says:

          I used to work at the Met. Office as a modeller. We determine if our models are valid by running them on past observations from the 1970s (hindcasts) and seeing if they can predict current conditions. If a model has skill (has probabilistic accuracy for a specified climatic event that can outperform climatology) then all well and good. In fact most of the time it was worse than climatology (no skill) and worse than random chance (random values within the range of min/max of climatology) – especially for precipitation. I don’t work there anymore.

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          • BBC News Editor says:

            One thing for certain, with your detailed knowledge and background we will not be interviewing you.

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          • The Met Office says:

            Can we have a bigger, even more expensive computer please?

            It makes us look more important you see.

            We’ve grudgingly changed it now, but our web site used to look like an unashamed bit of propaganda for the climate change cult. You were hard pressed to find information about, you know, the weather.

            ‘Climate change’ used to be the first tab on the site navigation. No shit, we really were that shameless. We’ve toned it down now to say ‘climate guide’.

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          • Alan Chingachgook says:

            The ‘opening the window’ model and gazing upwards is quite successful.

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          • oi chagochogoœ says:

            alun by name is alund.
            tear the stich and then press. does it hùrt

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          • mïñîmà says:

            expand and blow yŷ ôłë

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          • Jack Ketch says:

            My favourite ever forecast was that there would be “A 50% chance of rain”.
            Let’s see, that means that it will either rain or it will not. I reckon that my Grannie’s bunions are a better bet.

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      • 195
        Real Science says:

        Ice is less dense than water due to trapped air.

        Ice floats.

        You can check this in the kitchen. That science is settled.

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      • 396
        Warmist says:

        People think that it hasn’t got any warmer for the last 17 years, but actually the warming has caused your thermometers to expand, thereby showing an incorrect lower temperature.

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      • 486
        Unhinged conspiracy theorist says:

        So these self-appointed climate change “experts”, knowing that Antartic ice increases despite warming, decided to put themselves and the crew in danger by going anyway?

        Or… could it be, these “experts” haven’t got a fucking clue about climate?

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  5. 6
    Bill d'Sarse says:

    UKIP MEP doesn’t know the difference between debt and deficit. Doh!

    http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/features/readersletters/10914377.Our_national_debt/

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      And? says:

      Neither does 99% of the UK population and 99.9% of the Westminster village. What’s your point?

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      Mr Potato Head says:

      You seem to be forgetting that it is the Liblabcon-men and the loonies who vote for them that are responsible for the national debt.

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        Fuck the LibLabCon says:

        Indeed although lets not let the banks of the hook so easily, I prefer to think they were all in it together because they thought it was the right thing to do.

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          Labour's Economic Mracle was built on NOTHING says:

          Lenders were encouraged to relax lending LTV ratio so that it was possible to borrow 125% of house valuation with the excess over 90% covered by mortgage indemnity policy at a very nice premium which was added to the mortgage loan as well but still lots of lovely commission so who the fuck cared. This of course increased retail spending as everyone put purchases on plastic and then banks carried out a nice little consolidation exercise by putting card debt on to mortgage and thus got double the money for the same debt. Meanwhile the borrower was free to run up card debt again and power the so called boom in the economy. Whilst house prices were rising everything was hunky-dory but as soon as confidence went the whole house of cards came tumbling down and credit ground to a halt. The last 20 years of economic miracle was a total illusion built on unsustainable debt

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          • Ma­qbo­ul says:

            What has that to do with the national debt? Brown went on the unbridled spending spree with the state’s coffers not the banks. Think the Grillo Sisters with a few zeros added.

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        Blowing Whistles says:

        This so called national debt is being paid for by the British Public. But doesn’t the real blame for it all lie fairly and squarely on the shoulders of those in the city atop their ivory towers and, the politicians and their advisers who were chasing madoff-style rainbows?

        Who’s economic ineptitude created the bubble that could only burst!?

        e.g. The pensions Heists. Post Maxwell Gordo advised that the big companies could take a pension holiday because the funds were brim full … and on cue the raids began.

        Of course the ‘created’ excuse after the thefts was that the public were to blame [Alex of DM, Kahn of Express the ft etc] such that they hadn’t put enough in, in the first place and that they would have to replenish the disappeared funds themselves.

        Isn’t it funny how all the city and politicised types (across the commons / government to government) who ‘mismanaged’ the whole economy conveniently blame the Public for their ‘collective mismanagement’?

        How convenient was it that the UK’s ‘Corporate Governance’ had no teeth at law; and wasn’t it hailed as great by the cbi’s placeman Digby just to give the ‘perception’ (The old dupe the Public trick) to the middle classes that there were proper ‘checks and balances’ in place to stop the thieving by those who were the ones who allowed it all to happen on their watch?

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          Not Blowing Whistles says:

          The low interest rate environment and restriction of inflation linked bonds have done much more damage to pension funds.

          Most of them are insolvent now. Including the state funds.

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Here is the perfect example of an unaccountable politicised executive who operate outside of and or above the law. News International.

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      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      Ultimately there is no difference the deficit eventually becomes a debt.

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        FFS says:

        Yeah, but you can have zero deficit and still have a massive debt to pay off.

        Conversely you can pay off your debt using QE but still have a massive deficit.

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          Lampshade says:

          That would be because QE is a euphemism for not paying off your debts

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        • 44
          AG says:

          QE is just a nice fluffy way of saying “worthless money”.

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          • FFS says:

            The debt is just as worthless but you pay interest on it on top!

            It is just numbers in a computer where government and money lenders conspired together to stitch up the taxpayers of the future.

            And you think we should pay it back with real wealth?

            You are a fool, right?

            Better to program those computers so that the debt is “paid in full” and the money lenders can whistle for their interest. They will get their capital back which they can invest in some Chinese Ponzi scheme instead.

            We are being taken as mugs because not enough of us understand the economy. We don’t understand the difference between the real economy (production and consumption) and the cash economy (numbers pushed around in computers).

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            FFS – if enough people knew (I decline to use the word understand and its relation to informed consent) about the overriding objective (legal terms) and how the executive (Politicians, The City boys and the highest of the legal fraternity) abuse the uninformed with the O/O then there would be a sea change “YESTERDAY” – In the irony words of Billy Connolloy.

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            It appears as if the modmob don’t like the wor over.riding ds objec.tive huh!

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Is the Overriding Objective a conspiracy of silence?

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          • FFS says:

            The over-riding objective is to create debt instruments out of thin air which can be used to force real work out of the general public.

            If this was not done then the general public (especially the middle classes) would tend to demand a bigger share of the real wealth for their work or they would refuse to work anymore at all.

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          • Blowing Whistles says:

            FFS – try applying it to what the wigs ‘n legal shysters hide unlawfully in their (‘cos they have taken them over) courts … btw they are not their courts they are the publics courts and all of them are the Publics Servants – not as is currently applied in reverse.

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          • FFS says:

            Don’t get me started on the bloody legal profession! I’ll be here all night!

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    • 220
      pàrt mŷ bitch says:

      i tax û tàx mè.
      thŷ çòmmision is broken.
      how long before rahul gandhi reveals himself as a homo.

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    Mr Potato Head says:

    It is the Liblabcon-men and the loonies who vote for them that are responsible for the national debt. They even give away money to our enemies like Argentina and pay for the North Korean leader to execute his uncle by being eaten by savage dogs.

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    • 18
      A Savage Dog says:

      Usually I prefer a Chinese, but I always tell me self beggars can’t be choosers under a totalitarian communist regime.

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      • 24
        East India Company Wallah says:

        Indeed behind the Iron Curtain dogs were a rarity,as were cats such was the abundance of food from the collective farms

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    Some random observations and opinions says:

    The case of the missing 18 year old girl who allegedly “disappeared” while taking out the rubbish just reeks of an honour killing. Police are probably too scared to pursue this line of inquiry for fear of being called racist by lefties and Guardian readers.

    Celebrity Big Brother is shit and Luisa Zissman from The Apprentice is an arrogant bitch, but she has a great pair of jubblies and a juicy arse. She’ll have her tits out in no time. Dappy will be up her cooch within days. Jim Davidson will make a fool of himself by chasing after her.

    I saw a clip earlier this week of Keith Vaz welcoming a Romanian on arrival at Luton. Vaz offered to buy him a coffee, and the next clip showed them at the airport’s Costa or whatever chain it was. My immediate reaction was that I bet he puts the coffee he so generously bought the Romanian on his expenses.

    We’re getting files released under the 30 year rule. What’s the betting that Blair ensured all the embarrassing files pertaining to his junta, I mean government, were destroyed, so that 30 years later, there’ll be nothing to be released.

    I reckon there’ll be another “two-faced Chuka” moment within the next fortnight. Even he will soon be thinking that his belief that he’s a future prime minister is a delusion of grandeur everyone else already knew it was.

    After reading that Kim Jong Un had his uncle stripped naked and thrown into a cell filled with starving dogs who ate him alive, any chance we could send Owen Jones, Polly Toynbee and the entire membership of the Socialist Workers Party to North Korea?

    Where’s Gordon? Is that grim looking c-unt making a speech somewhere for thousands of dollars which will, of course, not go into his pocket but to The Office of Gordon & Sarah Brown, which handles charitable donations to a very needy person called Gordon Brown, who also has to keep a “wife” on retainer.

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      FFS says:

      I’m not so sure t was an honour killing. She was quite an attractive girl and just gone 18. I reckon she might have run off with a non-Muslim boyfriend. Happens all the time apparently, according to those former Muslim ladies I know that happen to have run off with their non-Muslim boyfriends in the past.

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    • 147
      Alan Chingachgook says:

      I notice that the kind contributor who regularly posts details of Chuka Umunna’s social diary has had a long Christmas break. Take a few more weeks off please.

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  8. 13
    Ric Holden CCHQ says:

    Isn’t it time we got rid of the New Year’s Honours list and just got the Queen to endorse people on Guido’s blog “Order Order” ?

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    Good afternoon, window lickers!

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    For just two pounds a week you can help pay my 100k salary says:

    I saw the latest advert for the charity ‘Wateraid’ the other day and had to laugh.
    “This small spring has to provide water to over a thousand people” it says.
    In the middle of this six foot by six foot muddy puddle (spring) is a load of accumulated rubbish and an ox having a piss.
    Good job they don’t have supermarkets otherwise I’m sure some c*nt would have dumped a shopping trolley in there as well.
    I mean for fucks sake you don’t need £2 a week to stop an ox pissing in your only water resource.

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    • 46
      RomaBob.... Beeg Issue, Beeg Issue! says:

      hahahahahahaha

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    • 48
      East India Company Wallah says:

      “little child must get up at five am each morning to walk two hours each way to get water” intoned monosyllabic violin voiced pink-un on TV on New Years Day
      “why dont they just move nearer the well dad?” eight year old asks
      Hmmm!

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      • 53
        RomaBob.... Beeg Issue, Beeg Issue! says:

        ….and the Left complain about the millions of people here in the UK who are stuck in poverty!
        Poverty in the UK in spite of generous state benefits, these include cash, healthcare, education, housing blah blah blah :)

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      • 282
        Doalite says:

        How on earth do they feed their kids with no takeaway food?

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    • 60
      Oxfam Dupe says:

      Oi, I paid good money to rent that ox for the village.

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    • 286
      Alan Chingachgook says:

      The charity industry has turned into a marketeers training ground. Time served they move into general business and commerce.

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    • 319
      Jack Ketch says:

      I would like an enquiry into the ad by the ASA. Any old Africa hand laughs at the sight of a Piccanin with a perfect sunday-school corn-row hair-do putting a water container ON HER BACK! I suspect that the ad was made not a million miles away from Teddington.

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  11. 40
    Lard Pressclott of Beams, Bellies, Banjos, Bulimia, two bog seats, two Jags & Shags. says:

    We can solve our food bank ‘crisis’ by exporting our starving millions to the developing world.

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    • 50
      John Prescott says:

      I had that form of bulimia where I would eat and eat and eat then stick my willy down my secretary’s throat till she threw up.

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    Allah rains on Anjem's parade LOL says:

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      Anjem apologises for Allah says:

      Important: due to severe weather conditions today’s rally against gambling has been postponed. We apologise for any inconvenience caused.

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      • 51
        East India Company Wallah says:

        I will give you 11/10 that you will wait till winter is over to re-schedule

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      • 136
        Cinna says:

        If they can’t be ar**d to turn out because of a little inclement weather then they can’t be that bothered about the evils of gambling.

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        Allah says:

        Fucksake, Anjem, you big poof.
        How are my guys gonna summon up the courage to blow themselves to bits if they can’t even handle a bit of wind and rain.

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      RomaBob.... Beeg Issue, Beeg Issue! says:

      Who would have bet on that happening? :)

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        The Plume of Feathers says:

        Why didn’t they meet up in the pub instead?

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        Allah says:

        Look, I can’t be held responsible for the weather.
        That stuff is decided by the real God.

        I read this article in the Guardian about Global warming and was sure it would be a sunni day.

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    • 55
      Mr Khan says:

      If you think I’m going to stop selling booze scratch cards and jazz mags from my shop you can fuck right off Anjem.

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        CIA PsyOps (London) Bureau says:

        Anjem’s tiny band of followers are a joke.

        Anjem himself, however, is very helpful. We like to wheel him onto American TV to give everyone a little scare and justify our wonderful posting here in London. Thanks Anjem. Cheque to the usual account?

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          The BBC Bias Unit, headcount 14,263 and rising says:

          How dare you? He is an important figure in our gloriously diverse society.

          We’ll be having him on Thought for the Day soon on R4. Every day.

          Now, pay your Licence Fee and shut up.

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          • Cinna says:

            I thought you’d be more likely to have him as guest editor on the Today programme. You do have form for that sort of thing.

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      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      I bet it wouldn’t go ahead, Choudary’s wife was playing bingo.

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      haRaM says:

      an joom
      an jOom
      joke is on the jOo
      surname sggests that bum is dry.

      an Oo
      fuck m.
      trinity is dead and so is OoM for the mogrel race.

      JÔhn.
      anjem is
      john?

      anjem is John Choudh and he dry.
      dust him. he dandruffed. ask john major for john choudh is his twin.

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    What a wuss! says:

    Men who try too hard to impress women crack me up. Travelling on the tube recently, I witnessed just such a wet wanker. It was a crowded tube. I was in my seat. Two young women in their 20s got on and stood while chatting. This young guy sitting in front of them stood up, not saying a word, and moved to stand elsewhere. At first I assumed he was going to get off. And then I realised this was a pathetic and patronising gesture for the women. I never hesitate to give up my seat for an elderly person or a pregnant woman. That’s the decent thing to do and anyone who doesn’t should be ashamed of themselves. But I’m not going to patronise a young woman by offering her my seat.

    Anyway, he goes and stands. What happens next is comedy gold. Neither woman takes the seat, continuing to chat as they stand. Instead – and I had to contain my laughter – a male passenger who’d been standing took the seat instead! At the next stop, one of the women got off, the other took a seat that was vacated by a passenger who got off the train. Meanwhile, Mr Try Hard is still standing! And he remained standing for the rest of my journey of a further 6 stops and was still on when I got off! The tosser looked very grim faced. He obviously knew he couldn’t go back and sit down after having so ostentatiously given up his seat which was then taken by another man!

    Wet, wussy men like him are just hilarious. What century does he think this is? The biggest irony is neither woman even noticed his desperate gesture. Wanker.

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      Glad I don't live in London says:

      So young man does the correct thing and you insult him.

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        What a wuss! says:

        That’s not doing the right thing, that’s being a wet, lily livered twat who thinks he’ll score brownie points by giving up his seat for two women in their 20s who ignored him. Giving your seat to a pregnant woman is the right thing. Giving your seat to an elderly person, male or female, is the right thing. Trying to impress young women by patronising them isn’t.

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          A Psychologist says:

          You’ve got problems mate.

          How do you know he got up to give these women a seat? Maybe his ass was aching? He only went 6 stops – about 12minutes?

          Why would he give up one seat for two women?

          In what way was he trying to impress them when it seems from your account he didn’t say anything to them – just stood up.

          What business is it of yours what he was doing? He wasn’t doing you any harm. Nor was he doing the women any harm.

          I take it your derision of him didn’t extend to you actually getting up and telling him what you thought of him? So who’s the wuss really?

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      Tin foil tophat says:

      I’ll hazard that he was white,English and from the midlands or the north.
      We still have manners up here.

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        Don't let that put you off, lad says:

        Fair play to the lad for having sme manners and decency. That the two slovenly sluts couldn’t say thank you but its ok, is typical.

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          Alice says:

          Please explain why young man should give up seat to fit and healthy young woman who is just as able to stand.

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          • Dirty ole Bugger says:

            You weren’t there. You haven’t the slightest idea why he stood up. I often stand up on trains just because I’m otherwise sitting down all day, which gives me a pot belly. You can’t go shagging young women with a pot belly, they don’t like it. No, best thing to do is stand up, throw your shoulders back, stand tall, pull your belly in, then take the next train to Earls Court for a taste of Eastern Europe.

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      Lazarus of Atos says:

      Sounds like a candidate for the English cricket shambles. Just stopped typing..team. If we had blokes with at least one bollock each we could even give them a game. Decades of nancying around and feminising “Society” has led to this debacle.

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      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      This is a worse story than some of Guido’s.

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      Alan Chingachgook says:

      You seem very angry at a slightly clumsy attempt at male/female etiquette and manners. Why so , may I ask ?

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      Fog says:

      Whatawuss at 1.04 – you are entangled in a web of angry nonsense and political correctness, and expending energy on a non-issue you utter futwick. Anybody can give up their seat to anybody, anywhere, if they so choose. I don’t think we’re that far into stasiland quite yet when morons like you rule.

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      Lord Stansted says:

      I always get up on a train and offer my seat to a woman who is standing. I do not do so to “hit on them” – I have other techniques for that – but because it is the polite thing to do. I feel sorry for you, Mr WaW, because you are missing so much to enjoy in life.

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      Allah says:

      I’m not sexist, despite all the islamophobic complaints about me from the fruitcakes on this list.

      I used to offer my seat on the tube to men as well as women, but after what happened at Westminster station, I shan’t be making *that* mistake again.

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    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    I CAN SCARCELY WAIT TO IMPLEMENT THIS TYPE OF POLICY HERE.

    https://twitter.com/GABaines/status/419459975225024512

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      Socialism is wonderful says:

      Much the same in glorious Malaysia where import taxes, excise duties etc add at least 300% to the original factory price of all imported cars. Original idea was to protect the then fledgling Proton factory, but they were so useless only the poorest actually bought one. Special licences were issued to a favoured few – who of course promptly made millions out of the scam.

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      Resale Price Maintainence and other wizrd Labour wheezes of the 1960's coning here soon says:

      Worked for Wilson in 1964

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    Gordon Brown says:

    I have planed a trip to the moon.

    Unfortunately I can not fill in the correct paper work as my new private secretary, I believe her name is Miss Nurse, which is the same name as my last PS, anyway, Miss Nurse said that I can not have any more red crayons, and I should use other colors to fill in my paperwork.

    The woman must be a bigot, does she not know that all important lunar applications must be written in the special red crayon?

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      Captain Roger Mee says:

      Hello Gordon. Put on your seatbelt. We’re off to Button Moon.

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      Yankee go home says:

      Other “colors”?

      I can’t believe that posters on this blog are implying that Gordon is not clever enough to learn how to spell properly.

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        Important official recruitment officer says:

        Well spotted Yankee, we need more like you as traffic wardens and dustbin inspectors, then no one will be abel to get away with those heinous crimes.

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        Grodon Bworn says:

        I know how to cast aspersions but I just cain’t seem to cast spells.

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          Grodon Bworn says:

          PS There is a crock of gold at the end of the rainbow which started in America. As soon as I find it I’m going to swap it for a shitload of chocolate gold coins.

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    Casual Observer 5 says:

    @SC / @FFS: From Previous Post / Thread… Debt monetisation + G’reece

    The monetising of debt is only being done with public debts in order to preserve government. At the end of the day, continuation of government is what is in the national interest (perhaps changed slightly from its current shambolic state) – most private corporates are expendable.

    This is not meant to sound like a left wing argument, but excluding those key corporate entities – mainly in the arms sector – which provide essential services to government that government cannot itself provide, the rest are just ‘nice to haves’.

    Agree with point on G’reece – but what is happening there has not much to do with finance but a failed imperial expansion strategy of the EU. For historical context see the Roman strategy for expansion, where the states between the edge of empire or a wanted new section of empire were pushed into poverty as they were conquered and no longer in need of the largess of Rome, but rather their purpose became to supply Rome.

    There is a geopolitical twist with G’reece as well which perhaps alludes to the increased confidence of Russ!a. There is no moral justification for what is happening in G’reece at present, the G’reeks should wake up to the fact that they have been under economic siege and have had their state destroyed by foreigners over the past few years. Whilst the EU continues to support the G’reek military, the G’reek people and the country will remain in a state of sharp decline.

    To SC’s point – it would be preferable for the UK to be more self sufficient.

    With the new port being placed near Coryton, and whilst the UK maintains a commanding role in the international shipping insurance markets, the ability for UK to import and trade should continue unabated. The Thurrock port should help neutralize the Rotterdam effect and perhaps provide long welcome competition / break dependence on Northern European ports.

    It would of course be sensible to have the Royal Navy brought back up to scratch – the primary problem there is a lack of man power and ships. The aircraft carrier fiasco is just one aspect.

    Unlike Europe, the UK does (and should) have the Commonwealth to fall back on. Trading directly with our own, rather than being subject to European run trade agreements would be a much preferred state of affairs, which is perhaps a closer reality than most realize at present.

    On the debt issue – balancing by monetisation is a smart move, however, that does make one very sensitive to external events as the equilibrium itself is not very stable.

    It is notable that the money supply in the real economy of the UK continues to be drained, but not at the same rate as it was in the US during the 30s depression.

    The primary source of inflation in UK prices is supply side, which is somewhat different to the monetary inflation G’ermany created for itself, and with Ch!na now raising its prices, that supply side inflation may become acute later this year.

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      C.O.Jones says:

      There has been many a time when I see the animosity bordering on hatred that is directed at Gordon Brown and have felt sorry that I have ever contributed to the discussion. All decent people should shelter others from the diatribe of the mob.

      But then when I see the damage that he has caused to my private pension, the bust economy he left in his wake, the mindless and prolific spending of taxpayers money on anything that could buy him a vote, the gerrymandering that was on a proportion that would make Lady Porter would blush – then I think to myself.

      What a useless incompetent cvnt he was!

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      FFS says:

      You are correct that some of the inflation is supply side, but don’t forget that the government is still overspending by some 20% and this is funded by debt creation. Thus broad money supply is still increasing whilst productivity remains static and this will result in inflation.

      I agree that the UK needs to start looking seriously at how to improve its real economic position, but I think this should be done in a scientific manner. This is a small nation, our competitors in aggregate are much larger than us. We should look at what they are doing and doing profitably and say “How can we get into that game?”. That is where we should start, but the EU would prevent us from taking steps to improve our competitive position because making ourselves more competitve would be against the best interests of our European “partners”! The EU is holding us back. It’s holding everybody back.

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      @FFS (from previous page)
      Bad businesses should go büst. That included banks. It would hurt but we would get over it much sooner. It would then force those left to be more careful. It will take some decades to flush dishonesty out of the system because it is so ingrained

      @CO5 (from both pages)
      …most private corporates are expendable. If you say this because they don’t add any real value but merely churn, then I would agree.

      The arms forces are not even geared up to protect our seaways so I have severe doubts here, to which you refer only in part. It all rather depends on how the situation deteriorates in places much closer to home than they are currently stationed.

      The gearing of public and private debt is simply unsustainable as FFS already pointed out.

      Our market-leading international shipping insurance markets will not survive the overthrow of a world consensus on monetary exchange IMO (quite a likely outcome if we go back to being at war in Europe as you earlier suggested. On which I am rather less pessimistic than you appear to be but do not discount it.). It would be rather like not having Banker in a game of Poker.

      Will Australia even notice us whilst it remains China’s largest mine? I doubt it.

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        Blowing Whistles says:

        read box 6 of this blog

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        Casual Observer 5 says:

        It is precisely because many corporations do not provide any meaningful benefit to society other than a place of employment to keep people occupied with churning activities that they are expendable.

        I did mean that statement in a very broad sense – it is not exclusively directed at the finance sector. The finance sector just happens to be the most visible.

        One of the massive problems with this current economic cycle has been the unbridled influence of ‘crony capitalism’, or more accurately, the fraudulent communitarian model.

        What is criminal is that the fraud which has kept many of the larger corporates going artificially has been to the detriment of new players being able to enter the market place to replace those lost services (if required), and also the disadvantaging of better firms in the economy which in extreme cases have been put out of business by the distortions.

        As @FFS states about government – the large size of government itself constricts an already distorted market place by crowding out private competition from certain sectors, as well as interfering with the availability of labor (eg. 12,000 folk on a cushy number at the environment agency working on diversity propaganda rather than perhaps putting their skills to more constructive use), is also a problem. The biggest problem about to hit is that coalition deficit reduction was done at the price of investment rather than reducing cost of unnecessary government. The long term impact is not going to be pleasant.

        For sustainability to be returned a broad collapse in house prices and more sensible interest rate environment is required.

        Ultra low rates deter investment as the downside risk of a future rate rise is too great to allow most rational companies to proceed with investment.

        Similarly, you cannot produce competitively for a global market place, or even a local one, when your production costs are inflated by unnecessary EU regulation, or having to pay your staff at a level where they can sustain the excessive debt burden of a typical UK mortgage.

        Incidentally, the heavy weight of taxation of UK firms to allow government to subsidize the servicing of mortgage debt through the in work benefits system (tax credits) is totally unsustainable, and the returns on that policy have perhaps been negative for a while now.

        Not allowing the correction to have happened back in 2001, or even 2008 has created the situation where the correction when it does occur will be much sharper than it otherwise would have been.

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          FFS says:

          I do not believe that in normal times the finance sector has no useful purpose. Far from it. Apart from anything else the democratising of capital via banks and other money lenders is the very thing that undermines the Marxist dailectic. The fact the you, with a bright idea, can have that idea financed by a third party means you are anyone else can challenge the existing capitalists so they do not merely accumulate more wealth as they go along. Communism cannot do that, because communism abhors the very idea of giving wealth of any kind to individuals, so there is no incentive for bright ideas in the communist state and hence no progress.

          Of course, the banks will only play their part in the democratisation of capital if they get a good return on that capital, in comparison with other industries. For this loans need to be north of 10%. Anything significantly less than that and they are more or less forced to create debt instruments out of thin air and pass them on to the unsuspecting. They then end up in a situation where they play a disproportionate part in the economic health of the nation (although we should also bear in mind the fact that British banks have been able to create wildly inventive new ways of foisting debt onto an unsuspecting market has drawn a lot of foreign capital into Britain too).

          Gordon Brown’s policy of allowing interest rates to drop to the floor should have been disallowed under proven concepts of monetarism, because they cause inflation. But since the inflation was almost entirely in property prices which do not feature in inflation measures, the damage being done to the housing market was actually perceived as a benefit, even though the average house price is £245,000 whilst the average wage is a mere £21,000.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            Agree with your points on function of financial services – the liberalization aspect which came in properly under Thatcher.

            The problem is that this has been grossly distorted.

            (I would also argue that the principal problem with Marxist economic models is that they do not have a mechanism for facilitating price discovery in their respective market places. If one looks at prices for goods and services today, the traces of this can be seen. Certain labor costs went out of control under Labour, how much is a hospital manager worth compared to a doctor ? How much should you pay for a weeks worth of food vs. an Android Tablet ? How much is a house actually worth ? It’s all a bit out of whack at present…)

            Also, nowadays, the requirement to have a monolithic institution such as a bank to be available for funding projects is not quite as certain as it was previously. All one really needs is the means to seek out and attract capital where it is needed. The crowd funding movements can be looked at as a case in point. (In many senses these are much more democratic, but not yet proven suitable for large investments despite the fact that so called stock markets exist – same thing in some ways…)

            In Brown’s defense (and I do not make a habit of this sort of defense) the zero rate policy had to be followed in the UK after the US slashed it’s rates.

            The reasoning is connected with interest rate arbitrage. If the UK had left its rates at a more sane level, then with US and J’apan having ZIRP, the UK would have found itself on the wrong end of the carry trade. Capital would have swamped the UK to the point that it would have to either turn it away, and lose status as a financial center, or take it on and then cripple itself with high interest payments.

            What would have been preferable in the given circumstance is if the lower rate policy was better reflected inwards. It should have been a very good time for business growth and expansion – if low rates were available alongside very strict and enforced regulation to ensure that exuberance did not cloud sense.

            The failure of the banks to adequately provide loan facilities to UK business and private individuals during this time reflects another aspect of dis-investment in the UK. The effects of this will be felt by the next generation quite severely.

            The ratio of average earnings to house prices demonstrates very clearly a serious crack in the economic façade at present. The only way that will heal is for house prices to come down, and when they do a lot of people will feel as if they have lost wealth.

            The reality is, assuming they still ‘own’ the asset, or are not servicing unreasonable debt on it, when that occurs, they will not have lost any actual wealth as there was no true wealth to begin with. (Except the utility value of the asset)

            The elites never wished for the masses to own their own properties outright, but intended for them to remain in a state of debt servitude clouded by the dream of ownership.

            If one looks at the economic picture that has now been painted for the younger generation, one can see this model quite clearly. It will be up to the younger generation to reject this, if they wish.

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          • @CO5 9:43 pm

            Would like to open up the very interesting subject matter in your entirely parenthesised third paragraph which touches on the very purpose of government.

            The principle of privatisation in Margaret Thatcher’s time was that governments are not good at running businesses (true for all here, trolls excluded) and that the government should get out of this area where possible. Governments were still seen as necessary to control certain types of industry and the behaviour of those firms operating within these fields. This delineation seemed very sensible to me as it created a level playing field necessary for genuine competition.

            Some businesses had come under control because their very structure led to monopoly (e.g. supply of utilities). The way to deal that was to create competition through the same supply route and then to ensure that such route could not be held hostage by any one single company or cartel.

            The principle of this seemed excellent to me at the time. It still does if the government is acting honestly with regard to the consumers at large, be they individuals, corporations or, dare I say it, remaining public enterprises.

            It had a tremendous flaw though. It relies on the integrity of government. In comes a New Labour government (hindsight for most at this point in the tale is now actually hearing the opening theme of Jaws). They have been stuffing prawns down businessmen’s throats for some years now and telling them that, contrary to the earlier business hating Clause IV days, they absolutely lurve business now, so much so that they are going to have a light touch on regulation. The quid pro quo is that businesses are going to have to support them. (Incidentally, New Labour were so much steeped in the old tradition of gross incompetence that light touch regulation actually became no-touch regulation.)

            This became the ultimate Devil’s Contract. It pitched both government and business against the consumer. Both government and business sold out despite the fact that both relied upon the consumer in the final analysis.

            The malign subtlety of this eluded the general public’s notice for three elections in a row (Oh look over there! A war!, diversions helped.) Whereas Margaret Thatcher had made a real difference to the country’s productivity, wealth and world standing, not to mention enfranchising millions of people who were previously state serfs living in state-owned accommodation, neither to mention the sense of confidence that these people now possessed in going out and becoming entrepreneurial themselves, Blair had built an almost perfect chimera of boom.

            At the same time, entirely worthless people, who could never run a business in their lives, were given the opportunity to prevent those who did have flair from starting – in an orgy of red tape of which the USSR in its heyday would have been proud.

            It is the luck which only happens to the Devil Incarnate (deliberate capitals here) that Blair was shaken loose from the reins of power by the even-more-loathsome, evil, scheming Brown only weeks before the whole jerry-built edifice started to crumble, before the world’s eyes, in a much larger rerun of what had happened at Ground Zero some six years earlier.

            To return, the principle that government should work on an Ockham’s Razor basis is surely just as true now as it was then. (The Razor has a degree of subtlety which most miss out on: beyond necessity. Wikipedia falls down badly here in its very first paragraph!) People are beginning to see this as they are the ones who have been sold out. This is where disillusionment with politics has come from – the expenses scandal was just the icing on the much bigger and rotting cake. My only fear is that a new generation comes in having forgotten all the lessons of the past and the whole merry-go-round starts again. Cue Jaws theme music…

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            It is true that Government is not the correct vehicle for running business. To borrow from Miliband – the clue is in the name:

            Government is for Governance.

            The mistake that the left makes, the last Labour government a very good case in point, is that they like to blur roles and responsibilities.

            This perhaps goes to the flawed roots of Marxism which regard everything as a class struggle, rather than society as being a functional entity in a state of equilibrium. (This does not imply that the liberal classes have the right idea, but their model is much more stable, equitable and agreeable, an anathema to the Marxist)

            So, the Marxist wishes the state to take control of production in order to redistribute to the oppressed masses. In so doing this – see the plot of Animal Farm for a textbook example – they have to either corrupt and assimilate private enterprise, push private enterprise out of the market by increasing size of government / distorting the governance framework, or simple nationalize.

            In this process prices and the price discovery mechanism gets thoroughly distorted, and damaged.

            Why ?

            Because in order to enact such change, government needs to take control of prices, and from that point price discovery mechanisms are repressed for political reasons and the market place becomes dysfunctional.

            This blurs the distinction between government for governance and government as full spectrum state provider. Under Marxism, government will inevitably compromise its governance responsibilities (maintaining fair rule of law, regulation etc.) in order to pursue what will become its own de-facto private interests but absent the usual constraining forces of regulation and rule of law. Government will usurp law to protect its own interests in the name of the people, but will end up acting against the people.

            Moreover, within Marxist political economy there is absolutely nothing to account for this important function whatsoever.

            The previous Labour government adopted all of the above. The only valid case was perhaps with respect to de-facto nationalizing Railtrack – but the rail privatization was deeply flawed to being with.

            The freemarket does work and will find stable equilibrium points where society can function, people know what the prices of things should be and hence business can sensibly decide when, how and what to invest in.

            At present, any private entrepreneur in the UK who does not have money to burn would be very wise to remain on the fence purely because price discovery is dysfunctional in the UK. The current interest rate environment destroys this principal for evaluating the value of money itself, which is perhaps why bank lending is not working correctly.

            Thatcher and the moves in the 80s did briefly introduce a functional market place into the UK, which was felt up until about 2001. It was being corrupted towards the end of the Major years, mainly European influence following Ma’astricht, and perhaps some bad decisions being made after the UK fell out of the ERM.

            That combined with the introduction of the economic policies of Brown / Balls in 1997, and the moves to put in place S+L style finance schemes during the 90s (as had been done in the US during the 70s / 80s, and perpetuated in the 90s) was how basic price discovery in the UK economy was damaged, and hence the real economic problems seen today extend from.

            Whilst the price discovery mechanism remains broken, the UK economy will not be able to recover, and like Russ!a, the UK economy will be very susceptible to economic attack from abroad.

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          There is much which I agree with here. However I do have a problem with your earlier expressed Armageddon scenario, not that I say it cannot happen. Rather that some things will not be possible any more should this route be embarked upon.

          My problem is that I have had guests unexpectedly descend upon me tonight and we have just sent off for a pizza so by the time we are finished, so might I be! They are dear friends whom I have not seen for several months.

          I would like to engage with you upon this important aspect but it may not be until tomorrow.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            Have a great meal cat :-)

            Regard the armageddon scenario as a hyperbole of sorts. My gut feeling is that it is on the table, the only problem being that none of the major actors are in a position to make a definite move one way or the other.

            One thing that is I suspect certain is that Europe is playing a losing hand at present, which the UK is being drawn into unnecessarily.

            The one thing that is certain is that the current status quo and drift approach is not going to wash for much longer.

            It would be preferable for democracy to survive, and perhaps libertarian values be properly reinstated to help with the personal adjustments which are perhaps now inevitable for many.

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          • Thanks. It was really nice.

            My point is really the truism that, when war starts, all other bets are off. We need to be careful what we wish for as the peace is bad enough. People have forgotten what war on our own territory is like because we are nearly all too young to have experienced it, myself included.

            Going back to the Hobbesian state of nature is not inevitable. Neither is it desirable to use an atom bomb to crack a walnut.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            Agree with the atom bomb and Walnut.

            The power of the bomb is that it is very good at destroying political will. It does not even need to be dropped (in most cases) to achieve that end.

            In order to break the current political deadlock within the EU, and to a degree in the UK, someone without will likely bring such a hammer to bear. It would perhaps be better to deal with such problems domestically as that would guarantee a better outcome.

            (There is a DM article someone posted up here talking about Russ!an testing of UK sea defenses…)

            Don’t mistake any of my points as a call for conflict, but rather a reflection of how things could play out moving forward.

            The Hobbesian state is very much alive, and with the better Leviathan (US) appearing to be wavering in its duties in Europe, as Europe is patently incapable of filling that power vacuum then another large power will: By force if necessary.

            (There is a very valid argument that the US security arrangement with Europe is invalid from the American perspective. Assuming that US and Russ!an relations are set to remain constructive and positive over the next generation or so, then the US should have no real concerns about ceding control of Europe to Russ!a – irrespective of what changes Russ!a would like to impose so long as they do not directly harm or challenge US interests.)

            My only real concern is that the UK remains sovereign, is able to stand its own ground and makes the correct decisions in order to protect the home land.

            As a country with a history as rich as the UK’s, squandering that legacy on the likes of the EU is simply ridiculous.

            Fighting to keep that legacy a force for good in the world is priority.
            :-)

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    Captain Roger Mee says:

    You’ll have to ask my Thai wife, Ho Suk Long.

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    Get your car washed in Biggleswade says:

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      FFS says:

      Minimum wage, no tax paid, plenty of bennies to be claimed, no end of public services to be used. Doing a job which is normally done by the machine at Sainsburys for £2.99.

      Sick joke isn’t it? Don’t encourage them – use the machine: it pays tax, doesn’t use public servcies and doesn’t claim benefits.

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    • 94
      Can I clean your car sir and other annoying people in supermarket car parks says:

      As I said on an earlier thread…..He will be classed as “self employed” all Roumanian Car washers are and thus be able to claim housing benefits;child benefits;family working tax credit and a myriad of other benefits which illustrates that “Dave’s” cunning ploy to restrict eligibility is bollocks designed to fool the Daily mail readers

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      • 102
        Expat Geordie says:

        I always thought that these car washers were just a front for laundering money.

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        • 111
          kmc says:

          I think casinos could well be the best front for money laundering. Money just walks in off the street.

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        • 144
          Just leave it n the dashboard , luv says:

          Don’t the girls give wanks for a fiver in the 20ft containers too?

          Like

          • So I hear, but there is a downside.

            You can end up in Tierra del Fuego.

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          • Dirty ole Bugger says:

            That happened to me. Me and two hookers in a container bound for Tierra del Fuego. We ate the smaller of the hookers and the bigger hooker is now claiming child maintainance from me.

            The wife isn’t impressed.

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      • 110
        Gawd Help Us says:

        Having read some of the comments in the Daily Mail I don’t think Dave’s cunning ploys are fooling many of them.

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        • 113
          kmc says:

          Just what I was going to say.

          Discovering that Big Issue sellers are classified as self-employed and therefore eligible for benefits (including, I believe, housing benefit) really was an eye-opener.

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          • FFS says:

            Rep, they are legally permitted to claim housing benefit as determined by a recent court case.

            They don’t actually have to be successful in selling the Big Issue, of course, to be able to claim up to £26,000 in benefits. Even if their business is in effect loss-making they will still qualify.

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  20. 97
    Ariel Sharon's brain says:

    Tjgamd#&3wmd094pg.jt,?pjg¥ whoop

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  21. 99
    Blowing Whistles says:

    I see Dimmy Dave Camoron’s elder brother has come into the legal spotlight and that trade body of BARking mad barristers are ‘squealing’ about their self-protection racket of fleecing of the public purse – for doing Sweet Fanny Adams.

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    • 118
      The British media are cunts says:

      Fucking scum the lot of them.

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    • 156
      Not Blowing Whistles says:

      Wasn’t dimmy Dave’s brother meant to be working on the Brookes / Coulson trial, as defense ?

      It is still someone from the same chambers who is working that case, no ?
      :-)

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      • 171
        Blowing Whistles says:

        The legal fraternity operate a ‘closed shop union’ as do the marxist unions … now what does it take for people to open up their eyes just a ‘tiny, tiny’ bit to see who has their hands on the tillers of all these ships!!!?

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  22. 119
    Parasites and bacteria says:

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  23. 122
    Anonymous says:

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  24. 129
    Evander Holyfield says:

    Further demonstration of the Conservative led Coalition’s incompetence that 2011 riot victims are still yet to be compensated!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25595050

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    • 150
      The BBC are cunts says:

      These are Labour assertions, promulgated by the BBC

      Wait till the truth emerges. Oh, we won’t be broadcasting that though.

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  25. 132
    UKIP to the max says:

    Its at times like this when you can clearly see how bent and corrupt the MSM has become, most MSM reports claim the people on the ship of fools the Clitanic are tourists, not one has mentioned the number of scientists or the media crew or the Green left politicians/activists

    In dispute of this being largely a sightseeing tour with only a few scientists on board: http://www.spiritofmawson.com/

    Click menu and then the drop tags to find:
    03 Leaders (inc a green taliban senator)
    24 Scientists
    18 Graduate Students
    05 Media

    AkA 50 related to the ‘science’ experiment. Only 2 TOURISTS!

    And still not one of them showing the slightest remorse at the cost and danger of their rescue.

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    • 149
      Ther Chinese Capt of the Ice Gragon says:

      Thanks to the witless antics of those socialist commie environmental bastards my ship and crew are now stuck in the ice. In our country we shoot people like that.

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    • 151
      JH239120409123 says:

      I’m betting the original ship will be ruptured below the waterline and will need to be abandoned. They may already know this.

      The deafening silence from the BBC on the nature of the ‘expedition’ – despite having a couple of their little achingly middle class ‘reporters’ on board – is just hilarious.

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    • 153
      Party-time says:

      We’re all at No.5 – come and joind the party.

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    • 172
      The British media are cunts says:

      Keep saying the British media can’t be trusted. My monika says it all.

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  26. 139
    What a wuss! says:

    The politically correct fuckwit is the effeminate tosser who gives up his seat for a young woman because he thinks that’s the metrosexual thing to do. I mention it not out of anger but the hilarity that his seat was taken by another man and the tosspot ended up standing for the rest of his journey.

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    • 146
      Yawn 2014 says:

      Oh fuck sake get over it you tedious cùnt.
      The effeminate tosser could more than likely kick your balls in too.

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    • 164
      Desmond Morris says:

      You are in the wrong. So stop digging deeper. Or be a big man and go and apologise to the lad.

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    • 183
      Frank's son says:

      Do please enlighen us. Were you brave enough to approach the bloke and laugh in his face? Or rather like I suspect, you are the real wuss, who just couldn’t wait to rush home and become the big I am via the keyboard. Saddo!

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      • 294
        Alan Chingachgook says:

        Strangely, I have a sneaking suspicion that the foolhardy one is a camouflaged girly. Repressed anger about macho childhood father figure. In other words, no hint of manners and kindliness. Sad.

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  27. 145
    Ed Miliband says:

    I’m sinking! My party’s poll lead has slipped to 6 points and I doubt we’ll retain that for much longer, my personal ratings are dire and my front bench team are even more useless than me!

    I wish the election were now instead of 16 months away.

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    • 167
      One-term Dave (dragging the Tories to their grave) says:

      Fear not, Ed! I’m working jolly hard to ensure you win. Plans are well advanced to slash and burn ancient woodlands to build the eye-wateringly expensive and much despised HS2, plus squillions of homes for the squillions of jolly immigrant benefit claimants I’m allowing to flood into the UK, after I said I’d cut their numbers.

      And don’t forget the debt! I’ve bally-well doubled it after saying I’d reduce it! Spiffingly clever, eh, what what?

      Sleep soundly, Ed; with me in control, your victory is assured!

      Toodle-ooh.

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    • 256
      Londoner says:

      6 points?

      Somehow I doubt that.

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  28. 152
    Allan, you at t'bar says:

    Lol ! Watch Hamspam Chowdery explode at this ( literally, hopefully )

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  29. 155
    Blowing Whistles says:

    What that old Straw man up to with another rendition of a sort getting his excuses in early about bliar and bush in the DM today?

    Like

    • 158
      Not Blowing Whistles says:

      Straw is likely trying to dodge the noose which is due his neck.

      He always plays the injured party, or speaks up for outright crooks.

      He is a psychopath, and a rather nasty one at that.

      On the bright side, he does make the allegedly illuminated ones look a bit like a bunch of mongs.

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      • 168
        Blowing Whistles says:

        umm … NBW you said “… or speaks up for outright crooks.”

        and of course isn’t Jack – the one who faithfully, hopefully and charitably – closed down the proper investigation into the true activities of the crafty ones who do not want light shone upon their true agendas worldwide?

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      • 225
        Jack Shit says:

        It’s not my fault. Daddy was a common gaolbird and my son was a drugs dealer. How can one thrive in such a den of vice?

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  30. 161
    Owen Jones says:

    Anjem Choudry’s a good man.

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    • 162
      Owen Jokes says:

      Compared to your hero Joe Stalin, yes.

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    • 165
      Abu Abdullah Al Britani says:

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      • 169
        When will the benefits agency tell the cunt to .. says:

        Get. A. Job.

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        • 226
          The Archboshop of Canterbury says:

          Trim that stupid beard and get rid of that ridiculous hat first, or no-one will employ you.

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      • 192
        Immigrants at work? says:

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        • 198
          Mong Watch says:

          Redo the numbers and include drug dealers / pimps and blokes who flog nicked bling on gumtree, and you are then just left with the women.

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        • 228
          Dirty ole Bugger says:

          So what you telling us Danny boy? That immigration of people from countries and cultures with a low skills base was a bad idea and needs to be reversed? That the burden of all these immigrants on the taxpayers is dragging down UK competitiveness and screwing the economy?

          Nah, you wouldn;’t say that. Cos you’re a lying cheating fucker of a socialist that believes the UK should be one big equal opportunity for fuck all charity case while you swan around in the US pretneding to be some kind of intellectual.

          Just fuck off before I consider coming over to the US equipped with a high powered rifle.

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        • 234
          Joss Taskin says:

          But I thought that we had to celebrate the rich multi-cultural diversity and that all immigrants contributed to the UK economy.

          Have the lefties been lying to us all these years ?

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          • Danny Blanchflower says:

            Exactly. We need all these immigrants to come over here because we need those hard workers that work so much harder than the whites to pay for our pensions.

            The only problem is white people are so racist they won’t give them a job!

            In fact, white people are so racist that British jails are fully of black people!

            No, I don’t think they would be “better off fucking off back to their own countries”, as you put it.

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      • 253
        What the Munafiqeen? says:

        Unless he learns to swea in English Anjem’s never going to get his message across.

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  31. 166
    Hardy Ramanujan says:

    Anything interesting going on in Putney right now ?

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    • 175
      Podiceps says:

      A cab with the number 1729.

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      • 180
        Pulsating Putney says:

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        • 184
          Hugh Mann-Wright says:

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        • 216
          Winnie Churchill says:

          An empty taxi arrived at 10 Downing Street, and when the door was opened, Attlee got out.

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        • 264
          Derek & Owen says:

          OWEN:
          ….. run of the, run of the mill, er, wank.
          DEREK:
          Yeah.
          OWEN:
          ‘Cause I had this picture of, er, Clement Attlee up on the, er, windowsill, and I’d, er, drawn in a huge, er, …..
          DEREK:
          Moustache?
          OWEN:
          ….. moustache …..
          DEREK:
          Mmm, gawd.
          OWEN:
          ….. on his, on his, on his, you know, on his, …..
          DEREK:
          On his chin.
          OWEN:
          ….. on his chin. And, er, I was getting really excited, you know, ’cause Attlee with a moustache on his chin is …..
          DEREK:
          Awww, fuckin’ ‘ell, mate.
          OWEN:
          ….. is a turn on at the best of times, inhe?
          DEREK:
          Oh, what?
          OWEN:
          “Clem the Gem”, they didn’t call him that for nothing.
          DEREK:
          Right.
          OWEN:
          Biggest fucking sex symbol this country ever fucking produced.

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        • 347
          HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

          Attlee like all the rest of the stupid socialist pricks never quite worked out just how, and , by whom , all the goodies on offer would be paid for .
          His government was soon kicked out of office , but sadly not before his unrealistic policies were able to inflict so much damage on the economy, from which to this day, it has never recovered .

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      • 196
        Hardy Ramanujan says:

        Cab 1729 – please take me to that new-fangled tower building on the South Bank.

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  32. 178
    Blowing Whistles says:

    I haven’t used any colloquial english today – yet!

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  33. 179
    Owen Jones says:

    The curse of our age is the obsession with conglomerates: big banks, big corporations, big governments, big labour unions, big trade blocs,and the dangerous Conservative led Coalition.

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  34. 186
    David Cameron's Hairy Hoover says:

    .
    .

    Haaaaaaaiiiiiirrrrrrrrryyyyy, Hoooooooooooovvvvverrrrrrrrrr,
    
      Vote for me !
    (Sucky Sucky 'n' See)
    
      I'll set you free !
    
    (Of your assets, tee hee hee..)
    
      Vote Conservative Dave.
    
    (mongs)
    
    Haaaaaaaiiiiiirrrrrrrrryyyyy, Hoooooooooooovvvvverrrrrrrrrr….
    

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  35. 187
    Out & about with the leeching socialist Edinburgh dogshite. says:

    Scum!

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  36. 190
    Nick Clegg, spanking the Lib Dem Monkey (the other Vince Cable) for votes says:

    Pro EU speech from Cleggy boy…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25555430

    Well, it is a fact he is not English, so therefore does not speak for the UK.

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  37. 200
    Dirty Roma wimmins says:

    We’ve got the Jack.

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  38. 204
    The fabled moderate mu zzer says:

    I’m Dynamite
    And I’ll win the fight
    I’m a power-load
    Just watch me Explode

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  39. 207
    Chuka Umunna - Now many pictures of me can I squeeze into my mid-term report? says:

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  40. 210
    Dr Pául Cráig Roberts says:

    The Case of the Missing Recovery

    http://tinyurl.com/n6bnt7h

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  41. 232
    Oy Vey ! says:

    Britain has just 2.71 doctors per 1000 people… which is fewer than Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania

    http://dailym.ai/1csoaJf

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  42. 233
    It's been a disaster..... says:

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    • 239
      RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

      Danny Blanchflower, brilliant footballer but a shit-awful faux economist.

      Stick to the balls, Danny. Balls can stick to the economic lies.

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      • 269
        The Real Danny Blanchflower says:

        He’s not really Danny Blanchflower. His real name’s David. Pathetic really. It’s like me going around calling myself “Jesus” because I happen to fancy it.

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    • 240
      Blue Peter Goldfish says:

      What a smug twat, another one that’s an expert after the fact, did he use to play for Leyton Orient?.

      Like

    • 280
      Alan Chingachgook says:

      Why I am listening to this c.u.n.t What the fuck is wrong with me.
      A fucking Ruski programme interviewing a proven serial ‘wrongist’ sitting in New Hampshire. He’s a Labour economist. In every way simply wrong. Like a polar Bear
      climbing trees in the Amazon. No.

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  43. 238
    It will all end in tears says:

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    • 241
      Blue Peter Goldfish says:

      c) they are both illegal immigrants.

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      • 245
        Not Blowing Whistles says:

        Well, were. With a stroke of a pen and a brown envelope stuffed full of currency, Vaz was able to make both legal and get passports for all.

        A bit like Robin Hood. If Robin Hood was a bent brief who got fake passports for the poor and actually worked for the Sheriff of Nottingham.

        So – not at all like Robin Hood, but definitely like a cúnt.

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    • 250
      The guy on the left says:

      The guy on the right looks like he needs to get himself a sun tan

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    • 252
      The bloke with the Teas Cosey gets my vote. says:

      Don’t let the one on the left in, he’s not from the EU.

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  44. 243
    Enriched Eric of Enfield says:

    Judging by the high numbers of E. europeans in a certain major shopping centre today, it appears the Romagarians slipped in earlier. They can`t all be car washers and beg ishu sellers, presumably then spending bennies. All with the latest child carrier of course, dutifully filled.

    Allied with the bagheads and usual mooz groups, all with the latest child carrier, dutifully filled of course, it was hard to pick up any spoken eengleesh at all.

    At this rate, it will be time to leave the UK before the month`s out.

    Thanks Blair, Brown. And worst of all, Cameron. Liars.

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    • 262
      One-term Dave (dragging the Tories to their grave) says:

      By jove! I’m jolly incompetent, eh, what what what?

      Now, let’s start building 200 houses every day for 20 years to house all the immigrants I’m letting into Blighty!

      And don’t you oiks try and get a GP’s appointment – because you can’t! Immigrants first, what what what!

      Spiffing!

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      • 302
        Roma says:

        We not bother with GP. GP say “books full no more patients please”. We go to A&E. We cause crisis – not our problem.

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  45. 246
    Mission Accomplished....Dave says:

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    • 248
      Dial 666 for Blair says:

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    • 249
      The Euphrates says:

      Did once had control of the place! Who knew?

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      • 255
        The Sunni side of the Street says:

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        • 257
          Tony from the Med says:

          AS SPECIAL, VERY, M.E. envoy I shall of course be consulting with all governments and kissing feet, organising a summit, shuttling to O Barm Cake, Israil and the usual places. Golly this is exciting. Where`s Georges number?
          Cometh the hour, cometh the tossers.

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          • Ker-ching B£air says:

            Now, the important stuff. Say US budget £10bn; RoW £10bn. @10%= FFS, I`m even rich(er).

            Like

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Tony have you got enough dirt on Chilcott yet; yeu know entrap ‘n blackmail ‘n all that stuff or is the 5hit still heading for the fan?

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      • 364
        Another historical fact airbrushed from history by labour,the BBC and the Guardian says:

        We once had nominal control of Basra until the Mahdi Army sent us scuttling out and left the yanks having to re-inforce to hold the position and negotiate a truce. NOT the British Army’s finest hour although in fairness they weren’t properly resourced by the Labour Government who was happy to commit our troops to fight Bliar’s Foreign Wars but wasn’t prepared to pay for them and thus supply the equipment needed

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    • 254
      Buy oil sell WMD says:

      Just as the price of petrol was coming down as well.

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      • 260
        A Coal Deposit Somewhere Near Your Windmill says:

        Oh dear. Maybe we’d better try fracking for gas

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        • 268
          The British media are cunts says:

          Iraq was well until the west interfered, Saddam kept the Al Qaeda nut jobs out of his country.

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          • Chilcot ...the report that will never be published says:

            You make a very very valid point. It was well known by any first year international relations student that the B’aath Party and Al Qaeda were enemies and that there was NOT a single AQ jihadist in Iraq until 2003/4. Saddam had absolutely NOTHING to do with AQ the perpetrators of 9/11 although this fact was either not known by the yanks or they chose to ignore it. Saddam was a nasty piece of work granted for his own people but he was contained and no worse than some others the west were supporting(indeed they had supported him in the Ira-Iran War)and he was a counter-balance against Iran’s influence until the West went blundering in

            Bliar has a lot to answer for although I don’t hold out much hope of Chilcot,if its EVER published, pointing a finger at him

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          • CIA spotter says:

            Join the dots. “Al Qaeda” was paid for by the Saudis. The Saudis wanted the US troops out of Saudi. The war in Iraq was started but had nothing to do with 9/11, but for some reason was passed off to the public as if it was. Then the US invaded Iraq whilst quietly at the same time pulling out of Saudi.

            Currently the British have the biggest presence they have ever had in the Gulf region in strong co-operation with Qatar which has also been funding and training insurgents.

            Now the Saudis and the Qataris are funding insurgents attacking Assad. There are rumours that British and American forces are involved behind the scenes and the Russians have effectively sided with Assad suggesting he knows what the British and Americans are up to. All the while we have Shia Iran working on nukes which is giving the Saudis and the Yanks the excuse they need to go after them next. Insurgenst are already troubling Irans borders.

            If we consider the insurgents as not being al qaeda but a Saudi and Qatari trained and funded guerilla force aiming to take over the whole Middle East with support from the West we can see a different picture emerging. Given that they have pinned down several trained armies across the old caliphate they seem remarkably well organised, well trained, well funded, well armed and well supplied for a handful of mountain irregulars from Pakistan.

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    • 388
      Dave's Imaginary Navy says:

      I’ll send a gunboat…….HMS Mission Accomplished is available

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  46. 251
    Twats says:

    Can I be an Imam too if I grow a beard, and don’t wash properly?
    Every other fucker is one these days, and they are blessed with supreme intelligence..

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  47. 270
    Laurie Penny says:

    Phil Everly was an American male singer and therefore an imperialist, Westcentric capitalist man whose passing I won’t mourn.

    However, I pay tribute to Majid al-Majid, the al-Qaeda commander who tragically died in a Beirut hospital while in custody. He is yet another victim of Western imperialist American men. May he rest in peace.

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  48. 274
    Allahu shatbar says:

    Fair play to the bbc. Catherine Tate’s new sitcom is taking the piss out of burka clad muzees. Cue lots of outrage from leftie wankers.

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  49. 275
    What have the Yanks, the Chinks, the Ruskies and the Aussies got in common? Prof Turney says:

    The Australian Maritime Safety Authority’s Rescue Coordination Centre (RCC Australia) has requested the US Coast Guard’s Polar Star icebreaker to assist the vessels MV Akademik Shokalskiy and Xue Long which are beset by ice in Commonwealth Bay.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/04/usa-to-the-rescue-us-coast-guard-ice-breaker-asked-to-assist-antarctic-rescue-vessels-trapped-in-ice-due-to-spiritofmawson-fiasco/

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    • 277
      This is going to cost big time. says:

      Well Stern did warn in his report that the “Man made Global warming” would be expensive.

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  50. 276
    Allahu shatbar says:

    Christ on a bike, even a pro-Maggie Thatcher joke in the show. Lefties will be foaming at the mouth.

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  51. 281
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Dear Mother Nature could you please rustle up a little tornado and knock down that awful statue of Karl Marx in london.

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  52. 284
    oioi says:

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  53. 285
    Miliband outflanks Cameron. And UKIP says:

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    • 287
      The referendum says:

      Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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    • 291
      Credit where credit's due says:

      This is actually a good idea and it is perfectly legal to plug this loophole where EU agency workers are paid significantly less than the UK minimum wage. Cameron has been caught napping here.

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      • 293
        Londoner says:

        They should not be allowed in at all. These agency jobs were not even advertised in the UK.

        Britain in full.

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        • 335
          HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

          Yes, full alright, full of labour’s imported future voters and benefit dependents!

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      • 298
        Bemused says:

        It would be a good idea, except it came up several times during the last Labour administration and they did nothing about it.

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    • 297
      Socialists = Sociopaths says:

      After letting in FOUR MILLION immigrunts between 2000 and 2010, the Labour Party suddenly decide it’s time, politically, to say ‘Stop’.

      Utter hypocrites and opportunists.

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      • 305
        Alan Chingachgook says:

        They won’t stop. None of our politicians will stop. We’re on an escalator of madness that will lead to 85 million within 20 years. Nothing will work and
        the Nation state is finished. Unless…….

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    • 326
      Jack Ketch says:

      British benefits for British benefit scroungers!

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    • 330
      Anonymous says:

      What about the intra-/inter-company transfer visa workers who have been flooding into the country, like in the I.T. sector? 24 months holiday on employer’s NI contributions, is it? For how long do they tend to stick around?? Do they receive their local salaries plus their living expenses in the UK paid as ‘expenses’?

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  54. 288
    Polly attacks the BBC says:

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    • 290
      The British Public says:

      Fallujah is none of our business

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      • 292
        It is our business, unfortunately says:

        You could not be more wrong. Too much British blood has spilled over Iraqi soil for it to be none of our business.

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      • 346
        Non taxable pikey says:

        With the gain of Fallujah ISIS (al Quaida for our American readers) now control a swathe of land all the way westwards into Syria. They are already probing into an already unstable Lebanon and southern Turkey. The Caliphate begins funded in the main by Saudi Arabia. Will they push east to Bagdad or keep going west to the sea, or both?
        Still, its none of our business. Yet.

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        • 370
          The Republican Party says:

          Look, just wait. The next Republican president will be a deranged uber-Christian who will neutron bomb the entire middle east as soon as just one of these rag-heads steps out of line, in a kind of “End of Days” scenario because he’s “hearing messages from God”

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        • 387
          Bemused says:

          I’m guessing that you are right that the Saudis would like to restore the caliphate under their control. I think they have the US on-side – they’ve probably struck a deal to allow Saudi full control over the area as long as Israel is left untouched and the oil keeps flowing. Next target will likely be Iran since it is Shia, and both the Yanks and the Saudis would like to see it gone. These forces are probably not “Al Qaeda” at all, but it suits Saudi and the Yanks to claim that they are, and that they have no connection to them. There have already been some skirmishes on the border with Iran.

          There is no way that these alleged “Al Qaeda” forces are really an untrained military force of irregulars. They have several country’s armies pinned down across the region from Africa to Pakistan. How are they being supplied and funded? Nobody is asking these difficult questions because a game is being played, no doubt by the usual shadowy forces.

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    • 296
      But Blair isn't bothered, he's just had his best year yet. says:

      Tony Blair’s fortune boosted £13m by ‘bumper year’

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10551183/Tony-Blairs-fortune-boosted-13m-by-bumper-year.html

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    • 299
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Desperate politicking by a desperate Marxist.

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      • 317
        Alan Chingachgook says:

        Can you be a British Marxist without being wealthy ?

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        • 329
          Ed and David Miliband says:

          It’s jolly difficult not to be wealthy and a Marxist. Our dad came here with nothing, we’ve never had proper jobs, yet we have both had to become millionaires and hide dad’s millions away from the tax man in legal trusts.

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        Care in the community says:

        I think of her pronouncements less as politicking than as derangement.

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      Dave from Witney says:

      Another Mission Accomplished for British Foreign Policy in the region following hard on the heels of success in Libya and in Afghanistan. If only the British people had allowed me to invade Syria I feel sure another success would have followed

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      • 385
        Poor Bloody Infantry says:

        Thanks for everything Dave and Tone. So glad you achieved fuck all at our expense. Still, you did get all those nice photo ops. for prime time telly.

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        • 460
          Fat boy Un says:

          You are a fucking twat
          Tone was responsible and Dave tried to withdraw troops as soon as possible. This was labours fuck up completely totally and only

          So just fuck off

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          • Poor Bloody Infantry says:

            Dave’s been in”power” 3 1/2 years. An Army Officer got killed only last week. What the fuck for?

            Although Tone bears the main responsibility, CnuT Camoron could have pulled the troops out a lot earlier.

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  55. 289
    Anon. says:

    #AnotherGrundianAdventure #LooksLikeWeWillHaveToLeaveItBehind #TheBeatGoesOn #Co2&Co #ScrewUmOntoTheNextJolly #CarbonCaper

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  56. 303
    The British media are cunts says:

    I see old Toenails is writing in the Sunday Times that the BBC got it wrong on not reporting the true feelings of Brits about mass uncontrolled immigration.

    Not that the BBC gives a shit about what we think, it won’t stop mongs like Toenails, Dame Nikki Campbell etc. all spouting on about how wonderful mass immigration is.

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  57. 307
    Londoner says:

    Ever since I have had a digital telly, I have noticed there has been interference caused whenever a police helicopter is on the area.

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  58. 309
    Kopshite says:

    I wonder what’s happened to 99.98% scouse twat?

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      UkIP or bust says:

      Dunno, but If he comes back I hope he will say if he buys the sun news paper or not, I really need to know which papers he doesn’t buy.

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    • 367
      Roma says:

      He got beaten up by Roma gypsies and will shortly be replaced by 94.28% scouse twat.

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      • 477
        Kopshite says:

        The things I miss.
        His finances are as solid as the rock of Gibraltar.
        That nice Mr Blair.
        Stopped buying The Sun in 1989.
        Waiting in for his parcel from Amazon.
        Bournemouth.
        He manages to say all these on whatever thread is there.

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  59. 322
    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    Can’t say the word “M u s l i m s” on Guido’s blog now, the censorship get’s steadily worse and worse.

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  60. 328
    BBC Bollocking says:

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  61. 342
    All wearing pink frilly knickers too? says:

    Good effort England.
    You really showed grit, courage and determination today to go down fighting like you did in Sydney.
    A real gutsy effort.

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      Dave really should resign now says:

      Cameron the feeble.

      Russ!a has been testing UK defenses for a number of years now.

      Realpolitik states that it would be rude not to.

      In the meantime what has quisling Cameron done other than undermine UK security – well at least publicly ? Not much, other than publicly undermine UK security by projecting and enforcing a condition of weakness.

      Chances of an actual Russ!an attack are small, but as the Euro Zone continues to collapse, a Russ!an pincer to capture would likely be put into motion.

      Russ!a would be very interested in sea based assault from North (hence testing UK defense – UK itself is probably not in the crosshairs), and the South (Black Sea fleet still active in Eastern Med), combined with ground assault from the East during Spring or Summer.

      The anti-missile / air defenses have been strengthened along Russ!a’s eastern border, and its Southern borders, and with the perception that US NMD has been pushed back in Europe their planners will be needing to evaluate:

      i) What is the defense capability looking like ? Particularly response times, as any assault would need to be carefully timed to evade existing anti-ship / missile / air defenses in the European theater.

      ii) Signals intelligence. What can I see of the enemies command and control structure, and where should I target in order to disrupt and confound that ?

      iii) How do the people react ? Would an invading force meet with stiff resistance, or is the target country politically / militarily weak and demotivated ?

      One suspects that the nuclear deterrent is primarily what is keeping aggressors at bay, and as that comes under question with the talk of Scottish independence, UK national security is perhaps at its weakest in generations.

      This is the combined Labour and Coalition legacy.

      Failed political leaderships such as these can still cost you your life.

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  63. 345
    Non taxable pikey says:

    Camoron has triple ring fenced pensions. The cvnt can’t do the maths. Time for a bit of alchemy on my part. Lead earnings into Au and stored a long way from the EUSSR.

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  64. 348
    UKIP to the max says:

    The BBC were hoping for dozens of propaganda reports from their reporters embedded on the ship of fools in the Antarctic, now they have been filling empty slots with all sorts of rubbish.

    The BBC are trying desperately to hide the fact that they had a dedicated team of propagandists including a guardian reporter, wherever you find a beeboid you will always find a guardian hack.

    The storms hitting the UK has been a Godsend for the BBC, they are flogging it to death and blaming it on global warming of course, lots of alarmists invited on to peddle their lies, all on message and not one sceptic.

    The BBC working hard to spread their lies and hide the truth and deny sceptics a voice, they must model themselves on on North Korea.

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      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      Just when they thought that it couldn’t get any worse for them on the global warming front, along comes news of the severe blizzards in North America .
      The whole scam is unravelling before their eyes, just three weeks ago even the Pyramids of Giza were under six inches of snow, but reality must never be allowed to impinge into their world . Why is it when the Guardian / BBC eco lunatics are trapped in ice during the Antarctic summer melt , it is dismissed as just a ‘ weather event ‘ whereas a mild spell in January is a grim foreboding of ‘catastrophic ‘ global warming .

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        albacore says:

        Well, it seems that the BBC slipped up here
        But then, things are not always what they appear
        Like: it must just be folks’ imagination
        That they’re being replaced by immigration

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25609411

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          UkIP or bust says:

          The new terror word from the climate change broadcasting company is ‘saturated’.

          Ok so it’s only ordinary rain we will be getting today, but, and it’s a big but, it will fall on saturated ground.

          Got that?

          SATURATED ground.

          I

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          • albacore says:

            Take care there – wasn’t “saturated” a naughty word?
            One that our globalist leaders forbade to be heard
            They’ve denied and decried so much British history
            Play it safe and wipe it out of your dictionary

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          • HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

            The word saturated is only verboten when used in the same sentence as immigrants .
            Eg. The small market town became SATURATED with immigrants

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        Noah & Sons...Building Arks since biblical times says:

        The reasoning is that “global warming” has moved the gulf stream further south thus resulting an extremely cold front coming further south from the Artic and Canada has met a warm frotn coming up from the Gulf of Mexico and collided over New York making the eastern seaboard temperatures drop to around – 40 c. The collision has caused problems in the ionosphere and sent the front over the Atlantic to UK causing the present weather conditions

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          altruism in industry says:

          I thought it was the jet stream that had moved ?

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          • HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

            As I have pointed out before ,even if these maniacs were to be cast adrift on an ice floe in their underpants they would die squealing about global warming, there is NO KNOWN CURE for this mental illness , maybe a selective cull will one day become unavoidable

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          • Bemused says:

            I think they will cure themselves. They will so convince themselves that there is global warming that they will move to Siberia where they will run around naked complaining about how hot it is.

            It will be at this point that Mother Nature will have the final word….

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          • Navy SEALs says:

            A selective cull, you say. We’re ready – just say the word.

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          altruism in industry says:

          Somebody who is doing a degree course on Global warming ( I jest you not ) was trying to explain to me something how about the reflective nature of ice was causing the air to warm up and got very irate when I said I thought the whole thing was a load of bullshit.

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          • HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

            AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            MAKE IT STOP

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            If the assumption about the role of CO2 in the atmosphere was correct, that this is the equivalent of placing the earth inside a massive sphere made of glass, like a greenhouse in your back garden, then there may be some traction.

            But – Ice doesn’t reflect infra red : The bit of the spectrum which is considered heat. (It does reflect ultra violet, which is why you need sun block when skiing, and most of the visible spectrum which is why it looks white.)

            Plants actually reflect infra red very well. This is one reason why it is cooler in forests with good canopy cover.

            So – by this argument:

            More ice will absorb heat, which may cause the ice to melt. This is a function of the amount of infra red output from the Sun.

            More vegetation will reflect more infrared. That will cool conditions underneath, and reflect more heat into the atmosphere.

            Now – if the original assumption about the effect of CO2 is correct, then that would mean warming of the upper atmosphere.

            However, more vegetation means less CO2 as plants consume CO2 during sunny hours as part of photosynthesis. In fact they get greener in higher CO2 environments, and so their reflective properties for infra red increase.

            Reducing plant cover would cause more ground heating as less infra red is reflected, hence will cool the atmosphere.

            All of this is a function of the amount of heat energy released by the sun per unit area which is a fairly constant value related by latitude, with a maximum at the equator, and minimum at the poles. At night heat energy is radiated away from the earth.

            The assumptions about CO2 are not relevant for the Earth as there is currently not enough available within the biosphere.

            You student friend should also be aware that as you make a gas hotter, the gas molecules travel faster. Heating atmospheric CO2 would increase the rate of evaporation of CO2 from the atmosphere into space thus reducing its concentration.

            The global warming science propaganda is complete garbage and relies on public ignorance of actual science.

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          • Bemused says:

            Shame you can’t delete stuff because just about every paragraph you have written contains a serious error.

            Plants do not reflect infra-red, they absorb energy from the sun. That’s why its cooler underneath them.

            The whole of the spectrum of light from the sun causes heat. Infra-red is no different. It is simply that infra-red is emitted by relatively cold objects while visible light is only emitted by very hot objects.

            The Sun emitslight across the whole spectrum and all of it causes heating, from Infra red through visible to ultra violent. Different parts of the Earth and its atmosphere are heated by doifferent parts of the spectrum.

            I could go on but I guess you get the picture.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            I perhaps should have stated near infra-red – rather than infra-red for reflection.

            They do absorb heat, and do not re-radiate much.

            But you do not address the question of ice.

            I also made no mention of cloud coverage, or that these are a big reflector of heat.

            The statements are made with the same inaccuracies present as in the climate science arguments put forward to justify unreasonable taxation and de-industrialization.

            The difference is, I have not burned through several million £’s worth of public money to make those statements, and they are as equally valid as what the alleged professionals say.

            The actual proof is seen by going outside and realizing that it is definitely cold.

            You also make your counter argument by picking one point, not properly addressing it, and then attempting to transpose that to other aspects.

            That is a shoddy propaganda technique which discredits your response.

            In the sense that the sun emits across a broad spectrum that is true, and over time all of that incident energy which is absorbed will wind up as heat.

            It is good that you acknowledge that it is the Sun which primarily drives temperature on the planet, and not the flawed science that has been sold.

            It is bad that your rhetorical style is that of Labour.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            I perhaps should have stated near infra-red – rather than infra-red for reflection.

            They do absorb heat, and do not re-radiate much.

            But you do not address the question of ice.

            I also made no mention of cloud coverage, or that these are a big reflector of heat.

            The statements are made with the same inaccuracies present as in the climate science arguments put forward to justify unreasonable taxation and de-industrialization.

            The difference is, I have not burned through several million £’s worth of public money to make those statements, and they are as equally valid as what the alleged professionals say.

            The actual proof is seen by going outside and realizing that it is definitely cold.

            You also make your counter argument by picking one point, not properly addressing it, and then attempting to transpose that to other aspects.

            That is a shoddy propaganda technique which discredits your response.

            In the sense that the sun emits across a broad spectrum that is true, and over time all of that incident energy which is absorbed will wind up as heat.

            It is good that you acknowledge that it is the Sun which primarily dr!ves temperature on the planet, and not the flawed science that has been sold.

            It is bad that your rhetorical style is that of Labour.

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          • Bemused says:

            I’m a climate change skeptic so you’re arguing with the wrong guy. It’s just that people like you aren’t helping the cause because you are making fundamental errors that Team AGW can readily unravel.

            Simple rule: If you don’t know what you’re talking about, don’t talk about it.

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    UKIP to the max says:

    This from the guardian, are these fools not aware of how ridiculous they are? Only in the perverted mind of a leftist could possibly believe that this kind of censorship is acceptable. You have to wonder if these people are clinically insane and then you remember that left wing extremists seek to censor and suppress their political enemies all the time.

    Guardian Environment Blogs

    Should Australian newspapers publish climate change denialist opinion pieces?

    Should Australian newspapers, like Fairfax, publish opinion pieces that deny or seek to cast doubt on man-made global warming?

    The first reaction of a left wing bigot, the favourite tactic of left wing regimes everywhere is censorship, the guardian routinely censors it comment sections. The extreme left hate free debate not least because they always seem to lose on the rare occasions they engage in it. And it comes as no surprise that the BBC follows the guardian and copies its tactics.

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  66. 350
    altruism in industry says:

    I see Labour want to put an end to low skilled immigration. They can start by refusing entry to the England cricket team.

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    • 352
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      The only thing more infuriating about the miserable failure of the England cricket team is the smug delight of the sneering BBC arseholes!

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  67. 354
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    Jolly well played the England cricket team.

    I’m so proud of every one of the team !

    5 nil whitewash in the Ashes is a serious achievement! Great job and once again,well played,

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    • 375
      We are the losers says:

      FFS it’s still a game, when they start putting the players up against the wall for failure then you can feel depressesd, there’s always next time, if you want to watch real cricket go to your local park and watch that team, International cricket is just like football, a way of making loads on money and Internationally tribal and still means fck’all.

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  68. 355
    Ric"Tally Ho" Holden CCHQ says:

    Disastrous Killing of Britain’s badgers by The Conservative led Coalition Government Cost Country £7.3 MILLION FOR NO BENEFIT

    http://dailym.ai/1awuTie

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    • 362
      Jack Ketch says:

      Money that could far better have been spent in the interest of the countryside by culling Travelers.

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    • 366
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      The stupid bunny huggers made the the operation very difficult, if had been left to the affected landowners to carry out their own cull, the whole thing would have been carried out efficiently and quickly with the benefit of local knowledge .
      £7,3 million what were they using silver bullets?

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  69. 371
    Fly the Union Flag upside down we are in real trouble says:

    Just watched Camoron on tv, he’s reminds me of Bliar and Brown, telling everyone what they want to hear, full of lies and crap, if Camorons Conservatives don’t get rid of him soon, they the opposition benches are certainly beckoning, even with grap red Ed and his even crappier blinky Balls, we are really in deep doo doo if either Liebour or Camorons Conservatives get to a government in 2015 i

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  70. 374
    Common Poor Pose says:

    Tory voters jumping ship to UKIP. With average Tory party member heading towards 70 y.o. and 70% voter turnout amongst those of pension age, Cameron decides to offer sweeteners. Unfortunately, with 20% youth unemployment, high suicide rate and lack of jobs for the middle classes who are not connected, as soon as online voting comes into being the Tories will be no more. Suicide short-term policies to stem the tide to UKIP. Thank God for hardworking Cameron who never has to think for himself or worry about living day to day. Does he have a job lined up with Goldman Sucks or JP Moreguns?

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    • 391
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      Cameron has no intention of even trying to win the next election his aim is to ease Miliband into power in order to avoid holding an EU referendum.
      Why else would he enact every EU directive in the full knowledge it will cost his party the election.
      His reward will be a nice sinecure in Brussels a la Kinnock, with all the trimmings , free medical cover, free travel , massive pension, subsidised housing, the lot.
      The despicable slimy quisling cares not a jot about the country, his first loyalty is to his puppet masters in Europe.

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  71. 378
    A Star is born from the East says:

    Victor Spirescu, live on Sky news. He’s becoming quite a Star, He’ll be in the Jungle next or hosting a new BBC daytime program.

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    • 411
      Victory 4 Victor says:

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      • 472
        MSM Wanchors says:

        No, It just shows how utterly desperate the sh!tty establishment is to sell their latest round of mass immigration to an increasingly disgruntled and hostile native population.

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      • 483
        Mr Potato Head says:

        So how does someone on a low wage who pays taxes in Romania and sends much of his income home benefit the UK?

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        • 496
          Casual Observer 5 says:

          Could be very beneficial when prisons have been privatized and he has lost his job and gets arrested for trying to steal some food.

          Excellent anti-immigrant propaganda for the next administration also.

          To be honest the guy looks no better than the average derelict from a local council estate. Allowing such people in is not in the national interest.

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          • Sparks says:

            He said on Sky that he is jacking in the car cleaning as it too “heavy” to get a better job in the construction trade as he is a fully trained building electrician

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            Fully trained to UK standards ?

            European building standards and wiring is a bit different to UK.

            Does he know we are on 240V here ? Could be a short stay if he doesn’t.

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          • Shirley says:

            230V nominally, to appease the EU.

            However, I’ve also found a source which says that nothing really changed at all as the +10% / -6% tolerances cover the original 240V.

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        • 500
          Kirsty Allsorts says:

          . He should fuck off back home and fix his house up instead.

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        • 544
          The Multiplier Effect says:

          He doesn’t

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  72. 379
    Ed Miliband says:

    Hope the England Cricket Team aren’t on performance-related pay.

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  73. 383
    Well said Nigel says:

    Farage just summed it up in a nutshell. The right to work has been merged with the right to settle in the EU.

    And I believe they have done this to bring about a federal Europe, by turning member countries into member states.

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    • 384
      What a shame says:

      Murnaghan is constantly asking Nigel a good question and as soon as Farage starts to answer he interrupts with another question(s).

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      • 389
        Just goes to show says:

        He’s not after answers, Murnaghan is just trying to show that his brain is in his arse.

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      • 395
        The BBC supports "responsible capitalism" says:

        Well he DID train at the BBC after all THEY never let anyone apart from Labour politicians;Labour Supporters; Green Party members or anyone spouting a socialist agenda to actually ANSWER a question uninterrupted. It’s as if someone in the gantry is shouting in their ear through their ear-piece…”Don’t let the Tory/UKIP Bastard answer..interrupt him /her and put him/her off !” John Nott had the right response

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      • 399
        A Tory says:

        I hope Farage comes on the leadership debate. The kippers are convinced he will wipe the floor with the others but is that really true? He has problems thinking on his feet, gets ruffled easily and significantly worse than DC on detail. He has oratorial skills but that’s not the same as debating. Bring him on.

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        • 401
          A Tory says:

          Leaders debate not leadership debate.

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          • JadedJean says:

            Verbal intelligence is a feminine brained characteristic. Men tend to score more highly on spatial intelligence.

            Of course some males have feminine brained characteristics, however, on the whole, men are builders and women are talkers (though some would say wreckers).

            It’s why boys tend to be much better than girls in the hard sciences (maths, physcis, chemistry) though girls do better in the social “sciences”. This conclusion is backed up by the OECD PISA exam results for 15 year olds globally.

            http://www.oecd.org/pisa/keyfindings/pisa-2012-results.htm

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          • Multiple-choice questions are no more than a way of establishing how well students have absorbed propaganda.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            There are a few notable exceptions to the rule.

            Thatcher was one of them.

            Why she is not held up as a real role model for women, rather than derided with the slightly misogynist phrase: ‘Iron Lady’ (but a better quality of Iron that Dave’s ‘guarantees’…) is not so much of a mystery.

            The feminists really did damage to their cause by not deriding the Ding Dong slurs the BBC and others put out when she passed.

            They are just too supid to realize this ;-)

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            That last phrase relating to the feminists should have been:

            They are just too stupid to realize this.

            (Need a new keyboard. For some reason the c and t keys are dying. f, n, u and k may be wobbly as well :-) An effect of the coalition. )

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          • Have you noticed that the c, n, t and u keys always seem to be moist after typing furiously for some considerable time?

            One wonders whether it could be climatic?

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    • 393
      UKIP the voice of reason says:

      Despite Murnaghan’s best attempts, Farage gave a very good interview then. Impressive.

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      • 400
        He's frit!! says:

        Allegedly THAT is why “Dave” will not face Farage in a head to head debate as it’s acknowledged by senior figures in Tory party that Farage strength is in his debating skills and that “Dave” is crap in these situations as evidenced in the 2010 Prime Ministerial Debates especially the first one when faced by an unpopualr Brown and a chancer Clegg he let both score off him and allowed Clegg to “out-bullshit” him…..some feat indeed to out-bullshit the ace-bullshitter Cameron

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        • 412
          A Tory says:

          Farage can’t debate.

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          • LOL says:

            I hope the rest of tem Dave believe that.

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          • An inconvenient truth says:

            Blair was a good debater.

            Nuff said.

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          • A Tory says:

            He really can’t. He’s too sensitive and graceless when you push his buttons. And he doesn’t do any detail. His oratorial skills are undoubted. Don’t confuse that with debating skills. Prove me wrong.

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          • LOL says:

            Carry on believing it “A Tory”.

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          • Bemused says:

            They don’t actually “debate” much at all on those TV “debates”. They just give a series of little speeches about the key issues.

            Farage has one huge advantage on his side – he doesn’t have to bullshit.He can just tell it like it is. The others are simply forced to try and create some unbelievable mirage to try and convince us that they are not simply doing the EU’s bidding.

            Basically, in a TV head-to-head the other three would be fucked because Farage would be able to take down each one of their fabrications by putting out the reality of their previous administrations.

            And that is why a TV head-to-head will never be allowed to happen.

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            The problem is that he can.

            The real problem is that Nigel has a good gift for defeating the now discredited propaganda message which the others wish to spew (and people mistake for debate) whilst avoiding credible claim to being rac!st or reactionary.

            That is why they do not want him on a debate because even if he did not succeed, people seeing more of his style (and then emulating as is the reason for mass media) would create real problems.

            It is the discredited LibLabCon which is wrong footed at the moment, and they are wrong footed for all the right reasons:

            They have betrayed the national interest.

            That is what they would not want to see come out in a staged ‘debate’

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          • A Tory says:

            I disagree bemused. The leaders debate is not a set piece.

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          • A stage managed excuse of a debate says:

            Oh yes it is a set piece. The format, questions, time devoted, camera angles, audience shots, close ups, make up, subjects etc are all agreed under a fine toothed comb long before they go live.

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          A Tory says:

          Mr LOL, I will carry on believing it until I’m proved wrong. Try harder.

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          • Mr Potato Head says:

            Farage can debate but he doesn’t need to debate. He just needs to tell the truth and expose the lies and hypocrisy of the other three. As Farage says the difference between Farage and the others is that he is the only one who believes what he is saying.

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      • 402
        Long John Silver's parrot says:

        In summary form Nigel

        1. Will let all EU Nationals here at present stay

        2. Will limit all future immigration to people who must have job offers for 27.5K minimum. Such immigrants will get a maximum two year Green Card upon presentation of a Health insurance certificate .

        3. The Irish will be able to come and go as at present. There is nothing historically wrong with 400K of them having settled here permanently.

        What could possibly be clearer?

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        • 504
          Not our friends at all says:

          Fuck the sponging Republic of Ireland chancers. Let them adhere to new rules as well..

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          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            The more hard line Republicans perhaps not, but !reland is not an enemy of the UK.

            To be fair, they have put themselves unnecessarily through the EU austerity program, so deserve perhaps a small break.

            Better for !reland to be friends of the UK than of the EU.

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          • Bemused says:

            In any case, the Irish have had that right going back to the time of partition. It is a two way thing and it has nothing to do with the EU. Plenty of Brits working and living in Eire.

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          • altruism in industry says:

            not in the seventies there weren’t. I felt as if I was the only one in Dublin.

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    • 406
      A Bimbo from Grimsby says:

      Strange though he did not know the “rivers of blood ” speech when quoted at him.

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      • 408
        Why ruin a soundbite for the sake of accuracy says:

        He didn’t recognise a selective paragraph from a long speech. Not the same.

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      • 410
        Not a fuckwit says:

        Perhaps it was a trap and he saw through it straight away.

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        • 417
          Time to recognise Enoch says:

          I thought that too. I can just imagine what Murnaghan was planning to do if Farage had stumbled into that one.

          But isn’t it time the media stopped dissing Powell and recognised him for the genius he was? His so called “rivers of blood” speech was not in the slightest racist, it was about the clashing of cultures and he was correct.

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          • Tin foil tophat says:

            Slurring someone who stood up in parliament to decry the treatment of Kenyans during the Mao Mao uprising, and then sat down and cried, as racist is disgusting.

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        • 423
          Ivor Ellis says:

          I heard UKIP plan to convert one of those two aircraft carriers into a prison ship and stick it in the North Sea.

          As for the other Carrier because it is non nuclear they want to do a deal with the EU to keep it permanently in the Med and come to a side agreement with the French to loan “when necessary” their state of the art brand spanking new nuclear Carrier.

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          • altruism in industry says:

            I think an aircraft carrier would be a liability in a real conflict. lots of smaller ships brimming with missiles would probably be more efficient.

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          • Dong-Feng DF-21 says:

            Don’t even need smaller ships…

            Carrier Killer

            “The latest DF-21D was said to be the world’s first anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM). The DF-21 has also been developed into a space-capable anti-satellite/anti-missile weapon carrier.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21

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          • altruism in industry says:

            probably you’d have to get close enough to know where it was. I’d have thought lots of ship launched drones could target spot for ship launched missiles. rather than a jet and a bloke getting close with a missile.

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        • 424
          The Trap Failed says:

          And Guess what. Sky are playing that bit on their top of the hour News bulletin. That was one big trap they had set up for him. Well sede stepped Nigel

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          • The skinheads are back says:

            I thought that interview was tame.

            Nothing about his policies on flood defenses which are very topical this morning.

            Nothing upon the Euro and Fiscal pacts and our next generation of Fighter jets.

            Nothing upon our United Nations position and the way we are letting the French do what they want in Central Africa.

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          • #FAIL says:

            It is defences.

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        • 433
          Powell was right says:

          The Lefties are already picking up on Farage agreeing with the quote. But it will back fire on them as there was nothing in that paragraph that has not come to pass. It only proves that Powell was a man before his time.

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      • 533
        Powell was no racist says:

        Have Labour forgotten that Powell’s speech was immensely popular around the country especially with the Unions who marched in his support.

        Part of his speech was about local authorities removing their ban on housing immigrants until they had been in the UK for a time. Something that the LibLabCon is now agreeing with him on…It’s a strange world.

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        • 574
          Crisis? What Crisis? says:

          They haven’t forgotten how popular it was with white people. They just don’t need white people anymore.

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  75. 403
    The best becomes a legend says:

    Eusebio has died.

    Now he WAS the best.

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  76. 404
    Guido Fawkes says:

    We’ll be removing the trolls on this site again next week :)

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  77. 405
    Lost in Clacton says:

    Has this Triple Lock young Cameron is talking about anything to do with Northern Rock ?

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  78. 414
    Rob Roy says:

    So the Conservatives and Labour are running around both saying that if we Scots vote for independence we will be worse off with ever falling living standards.

    Well if we do go down this root and for arguments sake stay in the EU it will be very interesting for England and Wales to come out of the EU and have a land border with an EU country possible with a Euro currency.

    It would definitely make things interesting.

    People would not be able to sit on the fence and pontificate in this scenario.

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    • 443
      An Ephemeral Independance says:

      I still do not understand why Scotland after wanting independence for hundreds of years (which I well sympathise with) are planning to give that independence away within 5 minutes of gaining it, to a foreign power on the European continent.

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    • 446
      a non says:

      Scots will not go down the Independence root.
      Branching out on their own was, and will remain just a pipedream.

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    • 451
      A cheeky scouser says:

      Well Paddy on Independence Day I want you Scots to repay every single penny you owe in UK Sterling.

      And no we will not be accepting Loan Notes and Club card points !

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    • 453
      Time will tell says:

      What do you expect, the politicians are on a good number and their trade union wouldn’t allow a referendum in England in case we said yes, so they gave Scotland an illegal referendum thinking that the Scots will say no and now are worried, all they have done is destroyed Britain and have created two countries with the same money, as far as the EU is concerned, it won’t make a difference if they take Scotland back into the fold and England and Wales are out and doing better with no EU business restrictions or garbage laws.

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    • 455
      The skinheads are back says:

      Why do you not just go off and fry a Mars Bar or something?

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    • 471
      Jacobite half-seas over the water says:

      I don’t understand how the Scots can become independent and yet continue in allegiance to the House of Hanover (called Windsor).

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      • 481
        Alan Chingachgook says:

        They can’t. Just a wheeze by Salmond to garner a few extra votes from Scots Royalists. Like the referendum vote for 8 year olds, American Scots living in Washington state for 50 years getting a postal vote, that sort of thing. He’ll pull every sneaky trick in the book.

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        • 488
          Jacobite half-seas over the water says:

          Scots ROYALISTS loyal to the House of Hanover (Windsor)? A gross and vile contradiction, surely.

          “It was all for our RIGHTFUL king”

          Remember?

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  79. 428
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Maria Eagle MP should be made to wear a burka.

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  80. 432
    Ric Holden CCHQ says:

    Message from Tory HQ, To all our geriatric, short term memory loss, mindless voters, It’s not the Banks fault.

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    • 441
      Brown garbage let loose in the China shop. says:

      It’s Liebours fault pure and simple, they let the nutcase Brown ruin the country, because he bullied them all including Bliar, Nokia’s a twelve oclock, duck.

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    • 487
      Mr Potato Head says:

      “I would like to pay tribute to the contribution you and your company make to the prosperity of Britain,” Mr Brown told Lehman bankers in London’s Canary Wharf . “During its 150 year history, Lehman Brothers has always been an innovator, financing new ideas and inventions before many others even began to realize their potential.”

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    • 531
      The British Public says:

      It was. And still is.

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    • 573
      Crisis? What Crisis? says:

      Labour was in charge and it was a man-made crisis that happened here in the UK.

      Therefore by definition it was Labour’s fault.

      There’s far too much of this “I’m in charge but nothing is ever my fault” bullshit going on at every level of UK society.

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  81. 442
    Daily Mail says:

    PM’s right-to-buy poster girl revealed to be estate agent – who sold the flat to herself
    PM visited Sharon Ray at her home, bought with Help To Buy, on Thursday
    Last night it emerged she is sales director at the firm which sold the flat
    Anonymous blogger also revealed she drives £33,000 BMW convertible
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533994/PMs-right-buy-poster-girl-revealed-estate-agent-sold-flat-herself.html#ixzz2pW2nTAOO

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  82. 447
    Two girls snowballing says:

    Cameron and the Conservatives just ignore the reality of experience of people in the UK, who are mostly doing it hard. To insist that things are improving when most people aren’t experiencing this as part of their reality is not really an intelligent approach..

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    • 454
      Who is pulling my plunker says:

      And with projected GDP growth of 1% per annum hey presto there will be money for plenty of taw cuts this side of May 2015

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    • 463
      Ma­qbo­ul says:

      reality ? experience ? Seems like the latest buzzwords.

      Guess what, life is hard and we can’t all be rich.

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  83. 452
    Anon. says:

    #SoldByGaryBolton #GlobalWarming #WotNoIce

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  84. 461
    The opinion of the Useless says:

    LOL.

    Sky have Gordon Brown’s “advisor” on talking about how useless Farage is.

    You could not make this up.

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    • 465
      Sky playing dirty says:

      And yet again they play the “Rivers of blood” clip. Sky reallyt were trying and are still trying to trip Farage.

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    • 473
      Mr Potato Head says:

      The Liblabcon-men leading their parties all favour the EU and yet it doesn’t take anyone with any mathematical knowledge to see how immigration from poor countries like Romania damages the British economy. First if they are working they are likely to pay their income taxes to their home country which takes money out of Britain. Then the workers often send much of their income home, which also reduces Britain’s wealth. Even the ones who do pay taxes here are in 90% likely to pay far less than the money that goes to keep a British person out of doing the same work. And these immigrants also get state benefits on top of the money they don’t pay in tax, such as free education and healthcare and financial benefits.

      Only UKIP have the answer to this. Don’t be an idiot and vote for the Liblabcon-men. Dave even wants Turkey to join the EU. Think how many more immigrants from a country with 75 million people that policy will bring to our shores.

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  85. 474
    Prime Minister Comrade David Cameron says:

    I once wrote a book on Penguins, to be honest ,I should have used paper.

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  86. 476
    Anon. says:

    #OnlyFiveMoreDays.

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  87. 479
    Quite says:

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  88. 489
    Chuka swipes at Ed says:

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  89. 490
    Tin foil tophat says:

    First we had Cameron telling us we need to assimilate to Muslim culture in the observer, then we had Cameron telling us we need immigration because we are thick and lazy, now we have the BBC telling us they did not deem us worthy of disusing immigration because we are vile racists -http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/article1359525.ece

    When do we get to feed them all to dogs. Kim Jong-un is a visionary (and a genius in the application of irony).

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  90. 492
    Update says:

    Dear readers. Please excuse the absence of a new thread. Guido’s busy getting pissed.

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    • 515
      Rupert Murdoch & NI says:

      I think I will be negotiating a non payment very shortly.

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    • 579
      Sam the Skull drinking Buckfast in Maryhill says:

      A bit more tactful and diplomatic language, if you please. To repeat what I said a few days ago: “Guido is perhaps otherwise engaged, in the perennial and notorious recreation of his native land”.

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  91. 495
    -41.8°F says:

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  92. 503
    Will it rain today? says:

    That rain radar is tits up. It’s pissing down here and the radar is clear.

    http://www.raintoday.co.uk/

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    • 506
      Global Warming Mong says:

      Your microwave and fridge is clearly causing runaway global warming, and confusing the radar.

      Switch off your microwave and fridge, stop eating, or pay some new carbon tax and hit reload. Should be showing correct now.

      + Thank you for the heads up on rain in your local area.

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    • 516
      The Madness ythat is Eco Conservation says:

      Most of the flooding could be alleviated easily and cheaply if we did what was always done and that is dredge the silt out of the rivers.

      Here the town was under threat from floods because the river had silted, so much so that even boats with shallow drafts could not get up to the historic town quay. And because some twat wanted to protect the lug worms they managed to stop the river from being dredged.

      The solution in the end was a very costly flood barrier and earth bunding, the river is still silted up and the Quays unreachable. The Lug worms seem happy, even though they have to share the mud with shopping trolleys and road cones.

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      • 525
        Percy Thrower says:

        Dredged river silt makes an excellent soil conditioner and fertiliser. A criminal shame to ignore it.

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        • 537
          Mondsanto says:

          We don’t need any of your old-fashioned soild conditioners or fertiliser.

          Where’s our EU subsidy?

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  93. 511
    Prime Minister Comrade David Cameron says:

    Hands up – who’s broken their new year’s resolution already?!

    I have !

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  94. 513
    Luciana Burgers says:

    Gym membership is £5692 a year! Another example of the cost of living crisis!

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  95. 518
    Vote yes or you'll be voted for anyhow says:

    Is the result of the Scottish referendum going to be skewed by postal votes?
    Salmon cannot be trusted on that score.

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  96. 534
    Tin foil tophat says:

    In 1932, he told Young Liberals at the University of Oxford that progressive leaders must become “liberal fascists” or “enlightened Nazis”

    HG Wells
    Socialist, Fabian, Labour party member.

    Vote Milliband
    Socialist, Fabian, Labour party member.

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    • 549
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Socialism / Marxism – works just fine and dandy if you are breeding a colony of ‘worker ants’ – however humans ain’t quite so stoopid – well …. some that is.

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  97. 539
    Blowing Whistles says:

    T’graph – Solicitor / Coroner / Shyster / Thief – of course he is the only one out there isn’t he Gary Streeter MP?

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    • 551
      Curly says:

      WTF are you chuntering on about this time? FFS stop talking in riddles; you are becoming extremely boring to the rest of us.

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      • 555
        Blowing Whistles says:

        What so much so that you replied! Thanks for that. btw try reading the Telegraph – that was the really really conspicuous BIG clue that I gave you.

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  98. 546
    Sports fan says:

    I don’t think the England cricket team should be allowed to go on tours. They are not good enough.

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    • 578
      Joe Public II says:

      Who gives a fuck about cricket? Or the overpaid morons that kick pigs’ bladders about either.

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  99. 550
    Blowing Whistles says:

    This CC AGW mythology – hasn’t it all gone rather ‘hockey stick’ shaped?

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    • 552
      Blowing Whistles says:

      p.s. If 650 odd MP’s can come back to the House of Commons and ‘still continue to ignore the facts’ that Mother Nature has delivered this winterval; world-wide about the busted myths of AGW – then the 650 + of them really do need to be ‘sectioned’.

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      • 565
        Not Blowing Whistles says:

        This is not a troll – but to amplify your point:

        Q: How is the weather in Tel Aviv ?

        A: Thick snow.

        Any climate scientists up for Skiing in Golan ? ;-)

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      • 566
        Not Blowing Whistles says:

        Snow in Tel Aviv:

        Not yet koshered with a gritting machine…

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        • 582
          Non taxable pikey says:

          Strange, temperature today in Tel Aviv hit 20 degees Centigrade. Is this the new heat resistant snow Bibi has developed to confuse Hamas?

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  100. 553
    The seven up is losing it's fizz says:

    Have the Sun on Sunday axed their Geedo lines? He usually puts up a Sun promotional post first thing on a Sunday morning.

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  101. 554
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    “Now comrades. About that revolution.”

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    • 570
      Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus says:

      Money is the means by which a sexually transmitted disease is, in infinitesimally small incremental steps, hierarchically organizing the human race akin to insects via money controlled systems and nepotism. Bugger you!

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  102. 567
    Not Blowing Whistles says:

    First time snow has fallen in Egypt for 100 years:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/13/cairo-snow_n_4441049.html

    The snow on the Pyramid’s picture that has been doing the rounds was photoshopped.

    Clear evidence of global warming…

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    • 581
      'Climate change' chancer twats says:

      This unseasonably cold winter in parts of the world is clear evidence for our theories, and you should give us lots of money, power and prestige.

      On the other hand, if it was warm there it would also provide clear evidence for our theories, and you should give us lots of money, power and prestige.

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  103. 584
    Robbo says:

    For some reason this photo really bloody irks me…. can’t you find something else 7 Up related Guido?

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  104. 585
    Nigel says:

    As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Half my voters will kick the bucket within 5 years and nobody else likes us.

    Like


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Rob Colvile reviews Russell Brand’s new book:

“Oddly, the person I feel sorriest for isn’t Brand himself – although he certainly comes across as a rather pitiable figure, projecting his own brokenness on to the world around him – but Johann Hari. Drummed out of Fleet Street for plagiarism, the former Independent columnist has washed up as “my mate Johann, who’s been doing research for this book”. For a genuinely talented polemicist, it would have been a humbling experience to have to treat this sub-undergraduate dross as the scintillating wisdom of a philosopher-king.”



Mycroft says:

Have you read the last bit of Animal Farm?

You know where the animals are looking through the Farmhouse window?

My TV screen was that window at lunch-time today.

Be careful, the sudden self-congratulatory tone, the slightly pudgy outline of indulgence and you become exactly what you should despise.

The jolly face of the Quisling Cameron poses for your camera has mesmerised and deceived you, you who were once not so deceived.

You were no firebrand, you were a damp squib in my opinion, sorry.

You need a damned good kick up the ahse!


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