December 23rd, 2013

MacShane Jailed for 6 Months

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The thing about MacShane is that although he was convicted for defrauding taxpayers’ of £13,000, the true figure was in the hundreds of thousands.

Read all Guido’s stories about Denis MacShane, bon viveur, europhile extraordinaire and convicted fraudster. Now eating porridge.

Happy Christmas!


1,082 Comments

  1. 1
    left wing, right wing, they're all turkeys. . says:

    Good morning.

    • 21
    • 23
      Anonymous says:

      Less than 12 months so will soon be a Labour MP again?

      • 38
        Commie McCluskey says:

        Correct. I’ve issued the paperwork to my pet Milpoodle.

        • 424

          We ought to thrash him about the rear quarters,
          on the poop deck, with a Bo’s’n’s Rope’s End !

          Then keel-haul the blighter, across the hull
          of the most barnacled ship in the British Navy !

      • 119
        Southern Softy says:

        Well qualified

        • 304
          lojolondon says:

          Let’s remind ourselves how the ‘justice’ system works in the UK.

          All sentences are only 50% served – means release at the half-way mark, no matter what the crime. But before that point, one can be released into a low security prison (so the crook can “re-integrate into the community”). This means lots of privileges, and the possibility of home visits.

          So he will almost certainly be allowed home in 6 weeks. (Reference Huhne, 8 month sentence, home in 8 weeks).

          Then you get people saying that ‘custodial sentences don’t work – it has been proven’. They don’t work because the way we implement them it is not a punishment, more like a short-term break from the drudgery of working as an MP. He should get MORE time for stealing as an MP, not less, because he betrays all his constituents, whom he represents.

          • Cinna says:

            Of course this is what happens when a country becomes morally bankrupt as ours has become.

            At one time it would be unthinkable that an MP, a servant of the people, could ever be guilty of such behaviour. Unfortunately the HoC is now stuffed with political time servers, chisellers and outright crooks that the whole House stinks.

            It’s about time that these people who set themselves up as our betters were made to suffer for their crimes. The higher they rise, the further should they fall when found guilty. They should be made an example of, not treated leniently.

            A custodial sentence of such length and severity that it would serve as a warning to the rest of the smug, smarmy freebooters who think that taxpayers money is theirs to do with as they wish.

          • Major Disaster says:

            Late last week, Michael Turner QC, chairman of the Criminal Bar Association, pointed out that “The taxpayer is forced to foot a bill mounting up to hundreds of millions to deal with bank fraud cases each year.” Astonishingly, Ministry of Justice figures confirm that 90% of the legal aid budget ‘goes on 1% of “high value” cases, chiefly terrorist, money laundering and fraud trials’

            About 45 per cent of the criminal legal aid budget of £1.1 billion is spent on these fraud cases alone. The state pays for the investigation by the police and the state prosecutes at the expense of the tax payer…If they never recover that money, the banks are entitled to write off the fraud loss against tax. That is why banks have absolutely no interest in putting in systems which prevent fraud taking place. They should have to carry insurance to protect the public from paying out if they get defrauded”.

            So once again we are paying for the bankers, lets see Guido go and investigate this…

          • Chris Huhne says:

            Actually, not all sentences are only 50% served. So that’s your first mistake.

            McShane is low risk. He’s not a sexual or violent offender, so it’s right that he will be released with a tag at around the 1/4 point. He’ll then serve another 1/4 of his sentence, with restrictions and curfew, in the community.

            You right when you say he should have got more because he’s was an MP. If you’re really concerned, why don’t you complain to the Attorney General?

            https://www.gov.uk/complain-about-low-crown-court-sentence

          • Jack Ketch says:

            The vast majority of custodial sentences are against jobless or very low paid people.
            It costs around £1000 per week to keep a low-cat prisoner in jail compared to $70 JSA plus whatever housing/child benefits may apply so it makes financial, if not moral sense to let them out early. Macshane and other MPs are not without assets. The State can afford to levy a massive fine AND lock them up for a substantial period.

          • Quiet Bat Person says:

            Major Disaster, you will rarely hear the host of this site railing against corrupt banks.

          • Squeaker says:

            its even worse than that.

            When McSHaqne gets out he will be given his rail fare home to Vicky s waiting arms plus a resettlement grant so that he doesent have to nick anything for the first week or two until his dole money kicks in

          • Psyche the Dog says:

            Why Have then bashing the square 4 hours a day, lunch break exactly one hour, one hours bull, 2 hours bashing the square, 1 hours bull, shower, tea 30 mins, association time 2 hours, then bed any slakers do double.

          • Wouldn't it be better just to shoot the cunt? says:

            “When McSHaqne gets out he will be given his rail fare home to Vicky s waiting arms”

            Now that really is a fucking punishment.

          • Doctor Mick says:

            Once again the bankers are being used as scapegoat to deflect attention from the criminal activities of members of the Labour Party.

            MacShame is a thief. He got caught. He admitted his guilt. He is now in prison.

            Get over it.

          • Psyche the Dog says:

            MD, “They should have to carry insurance to protect the public from paying out if they get defrauded” now what right minded insurance company would insure them after the last 20 years, they seem incapable of being honest, surely that was what keeping of a certain %age in liquid form, which they more or less did for years, no major bank went bust, one or two had sailed very close to the wind, they begged Gordy to reduce the demands of keeping a certain amount of capital as liquid, Balls should have picked up on it, but of course he finished his economic degrees in the states, and everyone knows what happened there.

      • 479
        Ippikin says:

        Like a holiday camp without the Redcoats!

        • 591
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        • 688
          when broken says:

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    • 46

      This is an affront to English justice.

      • 69
        One law for them! This Country stinks. says:

        “Privilege”
        noun

        a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group:education is a right, not a privilege [mass noun]:he has been accustomed all his life to wealth and privilege
        something regarded as a special honour:I had the privilege of giving the Sir George Brown memorial lecture
        (also absolute privilege) (especially in a parliamentary context) the right to say or write something without the risk of incurring punishment or legal action for defamation: he called on MPs not to abuse their privilege [mass noun]:a breach of parliamentary privilege
        the right of a lawyer or official to refuse to divulge confidential information.
        chiefly historical a grant to an individual, corporation, or place of special rights or immunities, especially in the form of a franchise or monopoly.

        verb
        [with object] formal

        grant a privilege or privileges to:English inheritance law privileged the eldest son
        exempt (someone) from a liability or obligation to which others are subject:barristers are privileged from arrest going to, coming from, and abiding in court

        • 82
          Hilda Berger says:

          Apparently he made no personal profit from this!

          Can we see the figures?

          Did he provide the figures?

          The twats a thief! If a hungry person had stolen a packet of sausages from Tesco he’d have got three months FFS

          • Dontvoteforanyofthem says:

            This news has made my Christmas a much happier one. It is about time that the stinking, lying, theiving bastard was sent down.

            The real shame is that the same corrupt vile lefty bastards at the BBC who stuck by him and still gave him respect, right up to the end, will still not see that he was merely a product of their own form of corrupted left wing thinking. Labour are crooks! End. of. story.

          • Mandy, Laws and Dale (Solicitors at Law) says:

            Clearly crime pays. Anyone know where this myopic “judge” lives. Is he a member of the unohoo?

          • Judge for Yourself,
            We certainly did,
            and
            made a stonking
            WAD OF CASH

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        • 108
          born Denis Matyjaszek in Glasgow in 1948 says:

          The time will soon pass.

          • Stan Corrected says:

            So, out in 12 weeks…

            Way too lenient, just not good enough.

            “Of good character”, apparently.

            Apart from being a theiving bastard of course.

          • GRIPPER SMITH Full time criminal and part time puff says:

            Another fucking Eastern European who came here just to fleece us

      • 430
        Psyche the Dog says:

        Puss it’s just not British, why they used to hang them if they stole a loaf. ;-)

        • 456

          Yes. Now they can steal the whole freakin’ bakery and the police won’t even turn out to investigate!

          • Psyche the Dog says:

            Quite probably Puss, the first timer, really desperately hard up person who just wants to live with food in his belly, the habitual crim who makes a living out of thieving, nabbed many times, slapped on the wrist and told to not be a naughty boy or a poppers nark and get just a warning.

          • master bater says:

            hello.
            expand and blow the doll.
            then say, cheese .

          • master bater says:

            cat calling mouse,
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      • 481
        Ippikin says:

        Its no wonder crime has been so ‘decriminalised’ in the eyes of so many . .

        • 552
          Psyche the Dog says:

          Dithering Dave: O dear, we are talking tough, we would love to jail them but the jails are full, we have no money to build new jails all the money is going to my glory projects such as HS2, what should I do, I cannot raise taxes on the big tax payers would not like it (a least those that actually pay tax), the lower orders don’t earn enough and they vote, oh dear how did I get in this mess?

          • Ippikin says:

            Simple, turn the Isle of Man into a prison camp, then all the illegal immigrants we keep arresting and releasing could be kept safe too!

      • 1080
        What Deterent?. says:

        This is precisely how English ‘justice’ works Cat.

    • 109
      Hilda Berger says:

      Maybe the real reason for the short sentence, is to limit the size of book he’s going to write about the other thieving Hunts…

      • 434
        Psyche the Dog says:

        Dear ‘ilda, now if he was in the states he would be get off completely if he blew the gaff on all those fiddlers

        • 483
          Ippikin says:

          Interesting point – will he now do just that and if so how many more?

          • Psyche the Dog says:

            We are waiting for Fawkes to get off his backside and out of the hostelry bar room and do some sleuthing for himself but he will have to be very careful on dark nights, accidents happen to investigators who dig too deeply, Rupe will no doubt promote him to chief blogger if he digs the dirt a great number of them.

    • 214
      Quelle surprise says:
    • 322
      Jim says:

      Quelle surprise at lenient sentences for MP scum.

    • 332
      Jabba Le Chat says:

    • 517
      One Term Tories - Oh Well! says:

      Of course McShane and George and Dave are all cut from the exactly the same cloth.

      Let us not forget that, despite being millionaires and owning several properties, both the Prime Minister and Chancellor of the Exchequer claimed housing benefit payments totalling several hundred thousand pounds over several years in the form of housing allowance claims.

      Indeed, filling out their housing benefit claim form was one of the very first thing they did upon being elected. And as they did not need to make those claims they were therfore false claims.

      So when you consider what happened to McShane both Dave and Gideon are both lucky they didn’t get banged up too!

      Bloody benefit cheats, eh?

      Merry Christmas everybody.

      • 771
        Anonymous says:

        Clever you managed to get the Tories in that smear but forgot that 9 out of the top 10 going to jail were Labour MPs

        You are just part of the fucking problem you twat

        • 809
          M­a­q­bo­ul says:

          So clever he’s on here apologising for Labour MP criminals like the good little doggy he is. Useful Idiot and fucking idiot.

          • Psyche the Dog says:

            M­a­q­bo­ul, of course Dave and Gideon and Dithering Dave claim if they are entitled to claim, but expenses should be for things actually involved in their parliamentary activities, putting duck islands and cleaning one’s moat do not constitute “in the activities associated with their public office” as they would have had to pay for those anyway, but of course they were just trying it on weren’t they.

          • M­a­q­bo­ul says:

            What they didn’t do is claim for the costs of cleaning a moat which had not in fact been cleaned nor for the costs of a duck house which belonged to someone else. Theirein lies the difference – deliberate misrepresentation with the intent to defraud the public purse.

            MacShame got off exceedingly lightly.

    • 518
      turkey stuffng. says:

      turkey is neither either or .
      turkeys are bumsta.

  2. 2
    FFS says:

    Should have been at least 12 months but it’s better than nothing and now he has a full blown criminal record.

    Won’t keep the brass-necked wanker off the telly mind.

    • 8
      Toxic Labour for Spongers, Parasites, Immigrants and Criminals says:

      Should have been Life.

      • 24
        Prescott's chipolata says:

        Why do they keep gaoling my labour colleagues? Aren’t there any Tory thieves?

        • 457
          Psyche the Dog says:

          They are in power, helped by the Limpy Dems but Dave needs all his team on side at the moment

        • 484
          Ippikin says:

          Yes of course, but they are not quite as stupid as the Labour boys.

        • 588
          Hugh Janus says:

          The Tories perpetrate a much better class of fraud, thanks to their non-comprehensive education. Think I’m right in saying that all of the criminal scum from the H of C are socialists.

          I rest my case!

          • FFS says:

            Funnily enough MacShane didn’t have a comprehensive education.

            He’s ex-public school.

            Top notch Catholic public school at that. With its very own child sex abuse scandal. Not quite sure how he got there because his parents don’t appear to have been monied. Worth investigating perhaps?

          • Hugh Janus says:

            Ah, that makes sense FFS. Now I know why he expected his solicitor to carry his suitcases for him!

    • 32
      The BBC has no shame and will contract MacShane says:

      He’ll be on the BBC with his Jail Bird Pryce giving them in depth analysis of the Euro elections. Mark my words.

      • 45
        The employers of Jimmy Savile for 50 years says:

        Oh no, we would never employ anyone who had a shady past.

      • 65
        Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation says:

        This is currently the 2nd story on the BBC News Website. The weather is more important, apparently.

        Note that they describe him as ‘former MP’, NOT ‘former LABOUR MP’.

        Typically devious BBC.

        • 83
          BBC red bottom says:

          It’s the unique way we are funde. Through coercion.
          That’s what gives us a lefty perspective.

          What’s yours is mine and what’s mine is a
          gold Plated pension, unsackable, non job for life, golden goodbye, unaccountable position, mega salary and early retirement.

          Suck it up!!

        • 88
          BBC Prisoner Rehab Team says:

          All he’s done is not being able to account for the expenditure of public funds. We’ve all done that now.

        • 117
          Still flooded but the BBC don't care says:

          Shame they were not as interested in the weather on the night of the storm surge (5th of December in case you didn’t notice either).

          Complete News black-out about the flooding in the Trent Valley.

          Still, it didn’t happen in South Africa so why would anyone have been interested?

          • Lights, Camera, Action says:

            Think yourself Lucky that Mandela decided to go on 5th December. Or else you would have had Bill Turnbull wading down your road looking for the deepest spots to be filmed in and Kay Burley knocking on your back door from an inshore rescue inflatable manned by a dozen firemen posing for the cameras.

          • Look at the mantelpiece when you're stoking the fire. says:

            Don’t talk to me about Kay Burley. I’d be smashing her back doors in – wouldn’t want to have to look at her when I’m giving her a large portion.

          • MIKE OXHARD says:

            “and Kay Burley knocking on your back door from an inshore rescue inflatable manned by a dozen firemen”

            Now that wouls make a great porno
            Kay Burley having her back door knocked in by a dozen firemen

        • 159
          Sandwich Board says:

          Took me a while to find it on the BBC site. Mind you it was my fault really. I was looking under “Entertainment”.

          • East India Company Wallah says:

            The nonces on freshers wing will have their “entertainment” tonight
            It aint safe getting banged up now,the prison service resembles “im a BBC Celebrity bum botherer,GET ME out of here”
            Will Dennis have to pay the TV license for his office/garage while inside?
            someone has to pay the pensions of his new co-habitants

        • 486
          Ippikin says:

          What did you expect?

    • 85
      BBC Prisoner Rehab Team says:

      We’ve booked for Easter Strictly Come Criminal Dancing and then endless slots as a commentator on the contemporary political scene.

    • 193
      Red Ed Milibandwaggon says:

      We will greet him back with open arms.
      He fought well for us and got his name in lights with our comrades in the BBC so there is life (with us) after criminality.

  3. 3
    Im Voting UKIP says:

    He will be out in 2 months. ardly a punishment.

    Heres hoping some big thug gives him a good slap.

  4. 4
    Arse says:

    Oh the poor dear!

  5. 5
    john mackie says:

    And early Christmas present.

  6. 6
    Disgusted of Tunbridge says:

    He’ll be out in three months.

    Given the amount of money he took this is a tidy earner: fill your boots and then sit back for three months’ easy reading in full board accommodation at Her Majesty’s expense.

    Which prison is he going to?

    • 26
      FFS says:

      The courts never stop to think about this do they?

      I watched one of those real crime programmes a few weeks back and this chap had stolen credit cards and spent an estimated £200,000. He got 2 years in prison. It was the second time he had committed exactly the same offence.

      I thought “£200,000 for 2 years work away from home? That’s a better deal than being an on-site engineer!”

      Yet another example of how the elite have lost all moral authority.

      • 47
        Crime pays says:

        £200,000 tax free, then 2 years’ free board and lodging. Nice work if you can get it.

        • 79
          FFS says:

          It’s now wonder he went straight back to doing exactly the same crime.

          The Howard League for Penal Reform will tell you that prison doesn’t work.
          Well now we know why.

          • East India Company Wallah says:

            Yes
            Afore-mentioned criminal type blows £200k on credit cards,however he would be unlikely to have drawn down cash to that value.
            More likely he buys tons of crap and Ebays it ,carboots it or just flogs it at a huge discount for cashflow £45-£60 k tops

          • FFS says:

            Nope. It was an ID fraud. So he had full control over the credit cards, but the bills were to the name and address of a third party.

            He used the credit cards to draw cash, buy a 4×4, furnish and pay for his rented cottage in the country.

            So yes, he actually SPENT £200,00 on various fraudulently obtained credit cards.

  7. 7
    The British media are cunts says:

    BBC reporting that another Tory MP has been jailed for being a scumbag.

  8. 9

    Two months? More like a fortnight.

  9. 10
    Dr Doom says:

    McShane suggest you speak to G Swann re what to expect in shower

  10. 11
    The British media are cunts says:

    McShit will be out in 2 months and get himself as new title as a “consultant on the EU”

    The BBC will immediately give him a well paid gig on Newsnight, Questiontime and Radio 5.

    • 99
      BBC Prisoner Rehab Team says:

      And on Strictly don’t forget! Or perhaps a cameo in Dr Who?

      • 152
        Scottish Chav says:

        mibi a dalek will stick its plunger up his constituency office … although I may have spelt that last word wrong

      • 197
        Fat Joe in the Blag. says:

        The X Factor is where he should be, showing his professional side shoe shuffle to a witty prison ditty.

  11. 12
    Anonymous says:

    Early Christmas Present! NIce

  12. 13
    Phil from Pentonville says:

    This has spoilt my Christmas.

    Deliberate and calculated thieving whilst in public office, protestations of innocence and smarmy comments to the Court staff.

    This should have been a three stretch.

    The law is an arse I tell you.

    • 492
      Ippikin says:

      Bring back Judge Jeffries and the Witchfinder General.
      People like him should be publicly humiliated – stocks, public flogging – that sort of thing.

  13. 14
    Stan Butler says:

    Not long enough but still good to see this Europhile gaoled.

    • 59
      JadedJean says:

      Another Europhile and internationalist/cosmopolitan jailed. He thought he could live the high life on unearned income (remember “Arbeit Macht Frei”?). It must have something to do with his make-up, surely?

      Of course he is from the tribe that invented internationalism.

      • 596
        FFS says:

        Like many of our politicians he seems to have a chronic Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Look it up on Wikipedia.

  14. 15
    Breaking News says:

    What an absolute farce and disgrace.
    The politicos certainly look after each other.
    Who says crime does not pay.
    PS Whats Vicky gonna do for Christmas.

  15. 16
    The British media are cunts says:

    Guido, could you post a full list of all the LABOUR MP’s that have been jailed?

  16. 17
    Weybridgeman says:

    Yippeee!

  17. 18
    MARGARET MORAN says:

    Such an honourable man !

    There is no justice

  18. 19
    Alex Salmond, formerly the cleverest man in politics says:

    I’ve eaten a whole bar of laxative chocolate so I can eat treble helpings of everything on Xmas day.

    Oh jings, where’s the lavvy!

  19. 20
    Winston says:

    Another comrade in the nick. Maybe they could start their own Labour Party branch in Ford Open?

    • 201
      Red Ed Milibandwaggon. says:

      What a good idea.
      We could get our Muslim prison comrades to provide internal protection for our new Prison Service Liebor Party.

  20. 22
    A furious taxpayer says:

    I am leaving the UK for good.

    Labour Liberals and Tories have been feeding from the same trough for long enough.

  21. 25
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    Ha ha! Methinks the judge was in a naughty mood and deliberately delayed sentencing to give Macshame false hope! Have a wonderful chrimbo, Denis! Hope you get a bucket of shit thrown over you. And remember, this is what happens when Harriet Harman is your character witness.

  22. 27
    Wolfie Smith says:

    Where is the justice for the people?

    • 43
      The elite and the their political prostitutes says:

      “Where is the justice for the people?”

      In the gutter with the rest of you plebs.

    • 70
      A statement form Ed Militwit says:

      Justice has been done and seen to be done. Let us all move on from this unfortunate episode and look to the future.

  23. 28
    GRIPPER SMITH Full time criminal and part time puff says:

    Christmas will be cumming early for my new sell mate

    Prepare for a bit of Quantitative easing Denis

  24. 30
    Chilcot says:

    A pathetic decision truly deserved by a pathetic country with a pathetic Judiciary and administration.

  25. 31
    Anonymous says:

    Please please nobody buy the inevitable prison-reform book.

  26. 33
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    We all know he’ll probably be out in about a month, but at least he gets to spend christmas and new year’s in prison with Bubba and Abdul.

  27. 34

    Six months, call that punishment, I call it a liberty!!

  28. 35
    Peter Thirlwall says:

    What a slimy sod he is, but he has nevertheless managed to hoodwink the gullible Judge.

    • 37
      Blowing Whistles says:

      “a gullible Judge”

      I think you are the gullible one.

      • 86
        Casual Observer 5 says:

        The judge himself cannot be criticized, but his judgement on this sentence should be.

        Why no one demanded a review for the ridiculously lenient 3 month stints that Messrs Huhne got for their perversion of the course of justice – a crime kept alive for at least 10 years before it was prosecuted – is also beyond belief.

        How is that Br!scoe woman faring ?

      • 151
        Blowing Whistles says:

        IMPOSTER

      • 307
        Blowing Whistles says:

        You wait ages for an impostor then blow me, two come along at once !

      • 340
        M­a­q­bo­ul says:

        Posts unladen with anti-semitic diatribe; clearly all impostors.

        • 653
          Blowing Whistles says:

          Hey Maq – the only imposters upon this review are No 37 @ 10:40 am and No 307 @ 1:49 pm

          and btw you forgot something in your post – what about the bashing of the militant politicised homo faggots?

    • 313
      Prescott's chipolata says:

      This is the same judge that sat for the Lee Rigby killers. What do you think he’ll give them?

  29. 36
    "Hawkeye" says:

    A liar, a convicted criminal and publicly disgraced.

    He’s now a prime candidate for a plum job with the European Commission.

    • 76
      Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation says:

      Or a BBC appointment.

      Don’t forget all his other Labour mates are already there.

      • 229
        Mandy, Laws and Dale (Solicitors at Law) says:

        No, quite a few are regulars on Sky too. When is Rupee going to have a clear out of all this crooked trash?

    • 208
      White rabbit says:

      Indeed..one of my alter egos made the same point last week.
      My guess would CEO of Shelter, War on Want Or Amnesty International.

  30. 39
    Noddy says:

    Nice to hear Labour Commands views on this.

    Where is everyone today?

    • 215
      BBC Biased Beyond Calculation says:

      We do not report on our left wing comrades except in a cursory manner.
      Our Labour comrades are also keeping their heads down.

  31. 40
    Anonymous says:

    I’m sorry but if an ordinary member of the public had committed this crime they’d have certainly got more than six months.

    This is an absolute disgrace and the powers that be should certainly appeal again the leniency of this paltry sentence.

  32. 41
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    Denis, meet your cellmate.

  33. 42
    Annoyed of Croydon says:

    As he will be out in two to three months and thus unpunished, I would like to donate £1000 to any gentlemen, inmates or screws, who will beat the sh1t out of this sh1t at least once per week during his stay.
    Remember Jacqueline Woodhouse got 21 days for complaining about black people spitting at her on the tube, a young man was banged up for 56 days for making unpleasant tweets about a black football player and dozens of pensioners have been jailed for not paying their TV license or Council tax–those corksoakers who sit on the bench have clearly got their priorities right.

    • 131
      Anonymous says:

      A billiant post.

      All MPs monitor this site – so a warning the rest of us are tired of the white liberal establishment looking after themselves whether it be Lib, Lab or Con. A tax payers revolution is alot nearer than you think

      This man gets 6 months for systematic and dleiberate fraud over a long period of time, abuses his position of power and then tries to cover it up and only gets six months

      Cameron you and your posh boys need to begin to understand the level of revulsion on the man in the street at out political classes

    • 138
      The Judge says:

      Mr MacShane was broguht before me having tolen just £12,000 of public money. He will spend a minimum 3 months in gaol. Thus he will only have made the equivalent of £4000 per month out of his criminal endeavour, which is somewhat less than his monthly income as an MP.

      I am quite sure that Mr MacShane will consider his punishment severe.

      • 219
        Crowin' Bob Crow says:

        We will support our comrade McShane when he gets back from his short holiday with the authorities. He would make a useful shop steward.

      • 233
        Burgers are bad for you says:

        Now we know the meaning of ‘as jober as a sudge’.

  34. 44
    Too fast? says:

    Vikki thinks it’s pointless.

  35. 48
    Ed Milliband says:

    I am deeply shocked and annoyed by the extremely lenient sentence handed out by the Court today to Dennis MacShane for the crime of theft in Public Office.

    The sentence is an insult and outrage to all decent hard working taxpayers who will quite rightly be asking themselves over the festive period ” does it pay to be honest” ?

  36. 49
    Jack Dromey says:

    He’s innocent! It’s all Thatcher’s fault! And I’m jealous he gets to share a cell with Delroy.

  37. 50
    The Right Honourable (!) David Laws MP says:

    Crumbs! I stole £50,000 and only got 7 days’ paid holiday!

    • 55
      Thomas from Tonna says:

      Plus a pension

    • 63
      The Right Honourable (!) David Laws MP says:

      Which, I might add, was a fair punishment for systematically defrauding the taxpayer.

      Right-oh, back to the task of ruining the country. After my very long Christmas holiday.

  38. 52
    Des Aster says:

    Poor poor guy. The criminal justice system is awful and downright bloody cruel! The public won’t be able to fill their Christmas stocking with yet another insightful book into prison life. I for one can’t wait to read each pitiful word. I blame the Murdoch’s!

  39. 54
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    Macshame’s mistake was not singing Kung Fu Fighting in public. That gets you serious prison time, as a poor street performer discovered to his cost a few years ago.

  40. 56
    The left says:

    We’ve already got him lined up for Celebrity Big Brother, I’m A Celebrity and a weekly column in The Guardian.

  41. 60
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    Maybe he’ll be put in a cell with a jihadist who’ll discover Denis voted for the Iraq invasion.

  42. 62
    Old Blue Eyes says:

    No doubt he’ll get a column in the Guardian.

  43. 68
    Pricky Vyce says:

    Anyone else up for a shag?

  44. 71
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    Christmas day in the nick:

    Denis: “Where’s my turkey lunch?”

    Prison officer: “Under new regulations, we now only serve halal meals, as most inmates are of the religion of peace. Enjoy the christmas lunch of boiled sheep’s brain and warm yogurt drink”.

  45. 72
    Doctor Mick says:

    The headline news on the BBC website is that another member of Pussy Riot (the cute one) has been released. No mention of the right honorable member.

  46. 73
    The Last Tweet says:
  47. 75
    Anon. says:

    Not long enough.

    David Chaytor Labour MP was jailed for 18 months for the same thing.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1344958/MPs-expenses-David-Chaytor-jailed-18-months-politician-sentenced.html

  48. 80
    Thomas from Tonna says:

    Harman has been named and shamed for giving this lump of filth a character reference but others were up to the same thing.

    Does anyone have the full list.

    The BBC are so useless .

  49. 81
    Casual Observer 5 says:

    I thought typically sentencing for this sort of fraud was more in the region of 3 to 5 years ?

    Has the judge adapted Gordon Brown’s light touch economics to apply to sentencing, as Macshane adapted such lightness to his fingers where the public purse was concerned.

    There should be a demand for a review of this sentence – when the wigged ones get back from their Christmas break.

  50. 84
    Bubba in Cell Block 69 says:

    Hey boy! You look mighty cute in them corduroys! Why don’t ya come over here and give Bubba some good lovin?

  51. 87
    Bill Quango MP/6 says:

    Isn’t Vikki Pryce his girlfriend?

    There are just some problem families in this country where criminal behaviour on the gated estate is a way of life.

  52. 90
    FrankFisher says:

    Six months is better than nothing. It bought a smile to my lips on this cold December day. Enjoy your Christmas dinner in stir Denis.

  53. 91
    Eric Pickles says:

    I’m down to my last 12 beers.

  54. 92
    AJC says:

    The sentence is an absolute disgrace. Elliot Morley got 16 months.

    Don’t forget MacShane was the long time MP for the rotten borough of Rotherham and did nothing about the child sex-grooming ring.

    Isn’t it strange that he didn’t hear anything about that?

  55. 93
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    Tonight, Denis will take an Unexpected Journey to become Lord of the Ring. After which, he’ll wish he could just Hop-it.

  56. 94
    Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    Most of us agree that it should have been more,at lrast a year,but given the delay on Friday it could have been suspended.I hope the bastard has a horrendous time in gaol though he will probably out in Feb.

    • 100
      Crime pays says:

      Open prison by mid-Jan (if he isn’t going straight to one), out with a tag by first week of Feb.

  57. 101
    Lord Duckhouse of Pondlife says:

    So, how long will it be after he gets out before he’s on Question Time? Then there will be the book, which the Biased Bungling Corporation will be only too keen to allow him to plug.

  58. 103

    Since Guido’s blog is banned on the internet anyway by BT et al, you might like to know the quickest way to progress from Petting to Fücking by hitting this link.

    Drіve safely! :-)

  59. 104
    Margaret Moran says:

    Silly boy! He should’ve gone to Rent-a-Shrink, where they could’ve provided him with a full assessment written to order that would’ve got him off the hook on grounds of depression and anxiety. And then he could’ve done as I did and popped down the pub.

  60. 105
    Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    By the way Guido for your dogged peraistence otherwise this lying,thieving Hunt would have got away with it.

  61. 106
    Stan Butler says:

    Can the AG not appeal that this sentence is too lenient?
    How is Margaret’s Moran doing nowadays? Heath improving?

    • 122
      AJC says:

      Had an Ernest Saunders miracle cure no doubt!

      • 140
        Lord Duckhouse of Pondlife says:

        Extensive research has shown that Saunders’ disease is easily cured by a suspended sentence.

    • 223
      Directorate of Non-Compliance says:

      AG should appeal this sentence as too lenient, but you can safely bet that this will not happen. Can’t rat on a fellow club member. Play the game, you cads!

  62. 107
    Harriet Harman says:

    My thanks to the judge.

    • 125
      Southern Softy says:

      Fuck off bitch

    • 230
      Directorate of Non-Compliance says:

      Harriet is such a nice woman, and so in tune with public thinking. The Arts Council should make available a capital grant to have her permanently floodlit.

  63. 110
    Helpful says:

    Presumably if he didn’t ask for other offences to be taken into account he could still be prosecuted for other acts of fraud in due course?

  64. 111
    ss says:

    6 months = disgrace, should have been years.

  65. 112
    Jack Dromey says:

    He gets to spend the night with Denzil. No fair! I want a chocolate log for christmas!

  66. 113
    Justice? You call that Justice? says:
    • 235
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      This above all else proves the contempt in which we the taxpayers are held,the thieving old cow should be doing at least 4 years!

  67. 116
    Big Bubba says:

    Not long enough.

  68. 118
    Justice? You call that Justice? says:
    • 156
      bergen says:

      Why hasn’t a statutory demand been served on her ? It’s our money she’s stolen and she is in a position to pay it back.

    • 232
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      Moran should be rearrested, and the trial judge should be put under investigation,hers was probably the worse case of corruption that came to light at the time

  69. 121
    Rickytshirt says:

    I was hoping he’d a get a bigger stretch, although, depending on who he shares his cell with, he could be in for a very big stretch indeed.

  70. 123
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    In light of their outrageous genuflection towards muslims, I trust you’ll all immediately cease shopping at M&S.

    And remember. This isn’t just a boycott. This is an M&S boycott.

    • 128
      Hugh Jend says:

      I never shop at M&S…I much prefer to shop at Musa and sons on the high street

    • 129
      The British media are cunts says:

      Never shop at M&S anyway, it seems to be a doss whole for old Tory hags

    • 157
      FFS says:

      I’ve got a better idea. Go to the food section and pick up all the frozen pork products you can find. Then decide you don’t actually want them after all and leave them wherever you happen to be standing.

      If enough of us do this they will get the message soon enough.

  71. 124
    Hugh Jend says:

    Hope that his big cell mate is smearing his cock with fiery jack as I type this…McShame’s arse will be like a blood orange by slopping out time tomorrow morning!

    • 202
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      He will, as I have pointed out on many occasions, be accommodated, not imprisoned in the true sense, not for him big bubba with his tube of lubricant , no he will be in a segregated wing of the cushiest open prison money can buy.
      I am sorry to have to pour cold water over your fantasies, but that is the reality of the situation, he will be out in the spring, in time to take a well deserved holiday, before taking up his column in the guardian and appearances on the BBC commenting on the Euro elections , and other arduous tasks .

      • 239
        Hugh Jend says:

        By Boxing Day his sphincter will need to be replaced with a ball valve…lest he SHARTS all over his cell mates

        • 266
          HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

          Sadly we all know this is wishful thinking ,I must refer you once again to my previous comment. in the meantime don’t let it spoil your week MERRY CHRISTMAS Hugh1

          • Hugh Jend says:

            And a merry Xmas to you and all!
            In the meantime, his cell mate is lubing up with an oven cleaner and rock salt smoothy…..his little chocolate starfish will be glowing like the baby Jesus’ star in the east

            Filthy pervert, that he is…

          • HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

            His cell mate will be an accommodating golden haired soft skinned youth, with slim hips, a winning smile and a cute turned up nose .

  72. 126
    Anonymous says:

    The judge should have increased it after his smart comments – another few months (to run consecutively) for contempt of court might teach the arrogant little prick some humility.

  73. 134
    Fabians are Evil says:

    He has committed the ultimate Labour/socialist sin – the fukker got caught!

  74. 135
    Vicky Pryce says:

    I’m a jailbird groupie, once you’ve got the taste you can’t stop!

  75. 137
    GeoffM says:

    Check out @TomHarrisMP Twitter feed.

    He thinks its a disgrace the man was jailed – if so many others got away with theft then why not his mate……!!

    Great insight into the political mindset

  76. 139
    Dame Irene Ward says:

    Will end up serving about eight weeks and will then come out to make regular appearances on the BBC talking about crime and punishment (and why it’s all so unfair), paid for by licence payer’s money and with regular column’s in the Guardian!

    • 144
      Joss Taskin says:

      Why do all the leftie scumbags get such light sentences ?

    • 154
      Will says:

      i think that some soft judge will reduce it on appeal after a week he will be moved to a cat c jail.

    • 169
      The most amusing claim ever says:

      No doubt already booked for European Election Night Special in May 2014 and again for General Election Night Special in May 2015 by BBC

      • 716
        Anon. says:

        When he gets out he could work in the BBC creche?

        Only two years for all that cat 5?

        Don’t expect Dominic Grieve to do anything about it,too busy mincing about.

  77. 146
    David Laws says:

    Nowhere long enough.

  78. 148
    Tom Mein says:

    Well done Guido

  79. 149
    Jimmy says:

    Funny how the Tory duck house/moat cleaning gangsters got away with it.

    • 170
      bergen says:

      There were stupid claims and fraudulent claims. Only the fraudsters were hauled before the beak.

    • 175
      FFS says:

      For the simple reason they made an open and honest claim for their duck houses etc. So the responsibility for the fact they were paid for such outrageous claims lies with the creators of the HoC expenses system, which occured under Tony Blair’s watch.

    • 180

      Do you have a difficulty in understanding the term criminal, Jimmy?

      I had thought better of you.

      • 185
        Labour only make laws. The obeyance is for others. says:

        Tom Harris Labour MP clearly does not understand so why should James?

        • 203
          Perse O'Nalley says:

          Tom Harris saying on Twitter that MacShane is a ‘good’ man.

          No he’s not, he’s a bloody thief.

          • John Bellingham says:

            An MP is “A Good Man” when he is a thief, a child molester, a pederast, a drug user, an arms dealer, a fraudster, a charity con-man, a wife beater or a sniveling and incapable drunk.
            He is “A Great Man” if he doesn’t get exposed as any of the above until after his retirement and makes a few million on the side.
            He is “Despicable” if he fails to follow the party line, remains honest and acts in the best interests of his constituents.

        • 209

          Whilst Jimmy is clearly of a political hue which runs contrary to the majority of those who follow this blog, he is a well educated fellow and often fields questions to which we have to provide answers if our position is to remain justified.

          He also has an excellent command of English which is well above that of the average Labour MP. Further, he can engage conceptually rather at simple level. (It sounds as if I am submitting a Plea before sentencing here! :-) )

          For these reasons, I am quite sure that Jimmy will understand the term I question.

      • 460
        Blowing Whistles says:

        The real dirt of criminality out there is of what all (across the political coloured spectrum) senior local councillors and their executive criminal co-conspirers are concealing – of course they are being unlawfully protected by the clowns with wigs and the clowns called pigs.

        The theft from the public purse – at Local Council level is where the light ought to be shining in the new year – perhaps that new investigative body that was ‘created’ to go after fraud might do something about it … but then again ‘Dare they’?

        • 660
          Blowing Whistles says:

          N.B. The racket of councils milking motorists for parking fees – now that’s duplicitous theft and usury.

    • 198
      Petards Are Nice To Hang From says:

      Funny how Gordon Clown gets away with getting paid for not turning up to Westminster to represent his constituents.

    • 199
      Right Full Rudder says:

      Politicians convicted since 2010.

      Feel free to add any I’ve left out.

      LABOUR

      David Chaytor – false accounting – 18 months
      Eric Illsley – false accounting – 12 months
      Elliot Morley – false accounting – 16 months
      Jim Devine – false accounting – 16 months
      Denis MacShane – false accounting – 6 months
      Margaret Moran – false accounting – no jail time, 2 year supervision & treatment order
      Eric Joyce – common assault – no jail time, fined

      TORY

      Lord Taylor – false accounting – 12 months
      Baron Hanningfield – false accounting – 9 months

      LIB DEM

      Chris Huhne – perverting the course of justice – 8 months

    • 459
      CYNICAL OLD MAN says:

      They didn’t get away with it, Jimmy. The expenses applications for the duck house and moat cleaning were refused by the Parliamentary authorities. But then you know that don’t you, Jimmy. Never let the facts get in the way of Labour myth making (lies).

  80. 150
    olden1936 says:

    Surprise! Surprise! One law for our leaders, and another law for we plebs.
    Amongst the genuine and honest members, as demonstrated we have a generous selection of troughers in both Houses of Parliament, and yet you refer in the same context to Honour and shame? Surely you must be joking? Throughout the ages always it has been strived for as the ultimate goal by ambitious people to ascend to that heady level where it is regarded as a unquestionable and divine right to milk, in any and every way, the products of the unthinking common herd Sadly this has reached the point where the mind-conditioned, unthinking common herd regards this state of affairs as the only acceptable way of life. If you believe I’m wrong then speak up folks…Moo!

    • 161
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      If you consider him to be one of YOUR leaders, then please accept my utmost sympathy!

  81. 155
    The Village Idiot says:

    Will members of the General Public be writing to the Attorney
    General within the “next 28 days to Complain” that McShames
    6 month sentence is much to lenient given the gravity of the
    offences he committed while in a position of trust in public office ??

    https://www.gov.uk/complain-about-low-crown-court-sentence

    • 176

      The Lying Criminal McShane’s malfeasance, of which he was convicted, would have to be classified as serious fraud.

      Unfortunately, it appears to be commonplace.

      Thank you for giving me the opportunity of being able to post the above without any fear of incrimination though! :-)

    • 242
      Directorate of Non-Compliance says:

      Anyone daft enough to write to the AG is storing up trouble by giving the Establishment club a name and address. It is best to stay well below the radar of these people. All these appeal processes are designed to obfuscate and deflect, and also to provide useful lists of malcontents. Show some servility towards your Betters, please!

  82. 168
    UKIP or bust says:

    He’ll spend 10 or 12 weeks in Ford Open, where there will be no bukkets of shit, no nonsense in the showers or any thing like a hard time.

    Just peace and quiet and a chance to catch-up with reading and such.

    Here’s some review’s Pauly gives it a five star rating.

    https://plus.google.com/100386070516449337827/about?gl=uk&hl=en

  83. 173
    Vazoline says:

    Good. We don’t want dishonesty in Parliament.

  84. 174
    Who knew eh says:

    Rolf the flithy old coot

  85. 177
    Paul T Horgan says:

    If any readers are interested int he sentencing remarks in full, they are here.

    The judge did not pull his punches and Hattie’s character references counted for nothing.

    Newsflash for Socialists. The Ends Do Not Justify The Means:

    http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/media/judgments/2013/r-v-macshane-sentencing-remarks

    • 601
      Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr says:

      It starts:
      ‘You are aged 65 and of positive previous good character.’
      Many would dispute the assessment of MacShane as being of previous good character.

  86. 179
    • 182
      A Joke. An Absolute JOKE. says:

      Stand up please. Denis MacShane I sentence you to 6 months’ imprisonment. If not released before, you will serve half that sentence.
      Finally you will pay costs of £1500 – all of which is to be paid within two months.

      • 267
        The Judge says:

        ….I have taken into accont your pathetic and vomit inducing self-justifications for your behaviour.

        In particular I consider your claim that you were having a bad time because of the death of your daughter to have validity, even though no right-thinking person would ever seriously suggest that the death of one’s child is the perfect excuse for forging receipts.

        By taking into account these self-justifications I hope you will realise I am giving them credibility and therefore you will be in a position, while you are in jail, to think of yourself as entirely jusitifed in your behaviour.

        On your release my justification of your behaviour can be used as an excuse for you to be unrepentant. I look forward to seeing you on the Matthew Right show in due course, where you will be free to exihibit your narcissistic tendencies in the manner to which you have become accustomed.

      • 283
        Madame Guillotine says:

        No doubt MacShame will be claiming his costs on expenses, and as for that sentence …..

        MacShame should be cut short, not his sentence.

  87. 181
  88. 183
    Nosher on C Block says:

    Oh my pretty Denis, this has made my Christmas. I can’t wait for that special moment in the shower block when you pick up the soap.

  89. 184
    Anonymous says:

    Sentenced to 6 months. Automatically halved to 3 months. Non-violent crime therefore eligible for Home Detention Curfew. Due to sentence length HDC can start at the 50% mark of the 3 months to be served. Therefore he will likely only serve 6 weeks in prison, most likely in a D-cat.

    So he’ll serve only a quarter of the sentence.

    British justice – the best in the world.

  90. 186
    AnusButtocks says:

    He was a good socialist,,right up until he got caught

  91. 188
    Anonymous says:

    Oh and he stole £13,000 and has been ordered to pay back £1,500. So his 6 weeks in the nick will effectively earn him £11,500 or £271,81 a day. Not bad work if you can get it.

  92. 190
    Dirtbag says:

    I hope he gets rogered so frequently his adenoidal issues clear up.

  93. 191
    Standards Committee says:

    Disgraceful. A mild rebuke, encouragement to draw a line under it all and move on with a return to the House at the earliest opportunity would be the appropriate and compassionate procedure for such minor misdemeanours.

  94. 192
    Sandwich Board says:

    DT “……But the principle of parliamentary privilege meant detectives were not given access to damning correspondence with the standards commissioner in which MacShane detailed how signatures on receipts from the European Policy Institute (EPI) had been faked…….”

    WTF!! We’re all in it together….Jeeeeez.

  95. 194
    Judicial honesty says:

    If you are involved with the beyond massive EU scam then forging of receipts must seem very trivial in comparison.

  96. 195
    Mornington Crescent says:

    What the BBC also doesn’t report: MacShame’s behaviour in court this morning:
    http://news.sky.com/story/1186376/denis-macshane-jailed-over-expenses-claims

    • 206
      Quelle surprise says:

      Flanked by two security officers, MacShane, wearing a dark suit with a blue striped tie and glasses, said “Cheers” as the sentence was delivered, before adding, “Quelle surprise” as he was led from the dock.

      Sky’s Darren McCaffrey, at the court, said MacShane argued with the dock officer before sentencing after being told he could not take his luggage and mobile phone in with him.

  97. 213
    Col. Nut says:

    All this is very depressing. Think I’ll go out to Marks and Spencers for some Christmas booze and a joint of pork.

  98. 216
    The Devil is in the Detail says:
    • 236
      Mornington Crescent says:

      “You are aged 65 and of positive previous good character.”

      Really? As even the BBC has had to admit:
      “His career at the BBC ended after eight years when he was forced to resign after making a hoax call to a programme accusing the former Conservative home secretary Reginald Maudling of being a crook.”

      • 279
        Blue Peter Goldfish says:

        Must be the old cliché; “takes one to know one”.

      • 610
        ! says:

        In a separate case, Mr Milliken-Smith was paid by the taxpayer to defend Mervyn Westfield, a former Essex fast bowler who pleaded guilty to spot-fixing in county cricket. Mr Milliken-Smith was paid £538,470 out of the legal aid budget in 2010/11.

  99. 221
    Immer Wieder says:

    Check this out: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/23/denis-macshane-expenses-profile

    Apparently its excuseable that MacShame committed fraud because he thought it was ok, is Polish, didn’t like apartheid, thought that not committing fraud was “tedious” and has been in jail already.

    Why is Patrick Wintour wasting internet space trying to defend this turd?

  100. 224
    Anonymous says:

    He’ll be out in 12 weeks, do you really think this is any sort of deterrent?

  101. 234
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Labour’s latest buzzword phrase is ” a calm and measured way “. Who is dreaming up all of this labour crap?

  102. 243
    mike rigby says:

    At last this loudmouthed twat is where he belongs
    Arrogant bastard.

  103. 244
    Nigella Lawson says:

    Phew, thank goodness MacShane has taken the pressure off me. Now where is my Saatchi dartboard.

    • 1070
      Jim says:

      Do you honestly think that following his total success in Court her Hubby is going to leave it there?
      The question is has he the same level of influence in the USA? They are very uptight about drugs and he could have her forcefully returned to the UK and her children imprisoned or taken into Social Care in the UK.

  104. 245
    Sobering Thought
    

    Dennis MacShane aka Denis Matyjaszek is a criminal.
    Dennis MacShane aka Denis Matyjaszek is a liar.
    Dennis MacShane aka Denis Matyjaszek is a thief.
    Dennis MacShane aka Denis Matyjaszek is untrustworthy.
    Dennis MacShane aka Denis Matyjaszek is a criminal.
    Dennis MacShane aka Denis Matyjaszek is dishonest.
    Dennis MacShane aka Denis Matyjaszek uses deception.
    Dennis MacShane aka Denis Matyjaszek is now a jailbird.

    Dennis MacShane aka Denis Matyjaszek is clearly unfit for any employment involving trust, decency, honesty or good character.

    The above is why Dennis MacShane aka Denis Matyjaszek can only return to being an MP when he is released from jail.

  105. 246
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Surely MacShane will be ordered by Ed Miliband to pay back all of the money he has stolen.
    I wonder if Ed Balls has paid back the £50,000 co-op donation?

  106. 248
    Lord Palmerston says:

    So we’ll be reading MacShane’s column on prison life in the Guardian by what, end of July at the latest?

    • 258
      Blue Peter Goldfish says:

      Yeah, just thinking that, they generally write a book advocating a reform of the Prison system, followed by rounds of Breakfast Time type bum on seat appearances at £5000 a time, I wus innocent!, another MSM celebrity, all wearing a bit thin methinks.

  107. 252
    UKIP first and last says:

    A paltry slap on the wrist even if they get caught? Corruption and graft at the heart of government is a deadly cancer, and you dont treat cancer with a couple of aspirin do you?

    Ten years minimum in a maximum security prison for any government official or civil servant convicted of graft/corruption in office would cure the problem coupled with an independent watchdog with powers of arrest.

    Our rulers are looking forward to the day when they can bestow complete legal immunity on themselves just like their EU masters, no wonder they want in so badly.

  108. 254
    Incapable Vince, deputy Chief Cockroach says:

    I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF VINCE CABLE.

    • 260
      Vince Cable says:

      I don’t remember saying anything.

    • 261
      Blue Peter Goldfish says:

      Cable is a nutter in the final stages of Altzeimers disease.

    • 272
      pretentious moi says:

      It wasn’t an insult to be compared to Enoch Powell.

      • 292
        Enoch Powell says:

        I feel slightly insulted.

      • 317
        John Bellingham says:

        Enoch Powell was probably the most brilliant conservative politician of his generation. He was far better educated than his contemporaries, spoke half a dozen languages including Urdu and Russian and was highly suspicious of American duplicity. He espoused the policies of “Thatchersism” twenty years before anyone else and attempted honesty in politics. He is only remembered by ignorant farts like Cable for a single, oft-misquoted speech that had a 74% approval rate from the public.

        • 337
          Joss Ayinglike says:

          Enoch was sacked by Ted Heath. ‘Nuff said.

        • 360
          FFS says:

          He was a numpty.

          His “Rivers of Blood” speech focussed on particular anecdotes of individual cases of bad behaviour by ethnic minorities and then sought to expand these out to the behaviour of the whole. This left him, and his supporters, wide open to charges of bigotry and prejudice.

          If he had simply stuck to the statistical and historical facts relating to the home nations from where these minorities had come, his case would have been far stronger.

          As it was he allowed the pro-immigration forces to paint him and his allies into a corner from which they are only just now beginning to escape.

          His speech effectively tied the hands of those that were against mass immigration for over 40 years, effectively handing the keys to Great Britain to the 3rd World.

          • Jack Ketch says:

            All politicos use anecdotal evidence–look at the stuff coming from the mouths of Labourites re: food banks right now. Powell used them (real letters from his constituents, not fake PR spin as nowadays) to emphasise the mood of the public. All of the points that the opportunists pilloried him for were quotations from others, including the one from Aeneid. Even Michael Foot recognised that. Remember that he was a natural alternative to Heath as leader of the Conservatives which explains the fury of leftish Tories and he was too damned clever for the Labour and Liberal gangs. If you are old enough you may recall how he took the young David Frost apart during Frostie’s attempt at trial by live TV.
            But you are right that by proving their was a problem on its way he caused any sensible debate to be stifled.

          • FFS says:

            All politicians use anecdotal evidence to back up their claims – and they are often condemned for doing so. It allows them to cherry-pick certain stories that suit them, when the broader truth may be very different.

            In Powells’ case he took stories that were particular examples of bad behaviour by individual members of ethnic minorities. Yes they were third hand, but he hand-picked them to suit his claims. And what he aimed to do was say “Here is a story I have heard of a bad person from an ethnic minority” and then extrapolate that to the next member of an ethnic minority you might meet. It was bigotry and he was rightly condemned for it.

            The quote was from the Aeneid but he chose to put it in the speech and it is taken from a passage where the Sibyl is predicting war. His intention was quite clear. He certainly didn’t chose to quote Martin Luther King who had been killed just 16 days prior.

            If he had stuck to the point at hand – the Race Relations Act – he would have been much smarter to point out that it is itself racist.

            By making essentially a bigoted point about the possibility that your next neighbour might be black or asian and therefore a bad person, he allowed those in favour of mass immigration to focus on that bigotry. He was not intelligent enough to see how his words could be used against him.

            The damage caused by mass immigration is not about individual members of ethnic minorities. It is about the gerrymandering of the political system, the impact on crime rates of importing people from nations with much higher levels of crime, the impact of a rapidly growing population, the impact of having a population of 65million on an island that can support only 40million, the division and danger of having new belief systems added to the existing mix of belief systems. If he had spoken of these things, and emphasised the duty of MPs to serve the people that voted for them, then maybe he would have achieved something.

        • 408
          Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

          A king and gentle man who had a distinguished war record,he was the youngest Brigadier at wars end.Imet him in Wolvehampton when I was in the RAF at cosford a true gentleman and patriot,Cameron couldnt tie his bootlaces.

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            There are still many ‘propaganda stories’ which were created at the end of the war. One in particular is the biggest mass duping ‘miscarriage of justice’ of all time – the fucking numbers were ‘fiddled’.

          • CYNICAL OLD MAN says:

            Whistles, haven’t you got a tin foil helmet to polish?

          • HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

            I’d be surprised if Cameron could tie his own bootlaces!!

          • M­a­q­bo­ul says:

            BW gets twitchy if you mention the six million who perished.

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            To Com and Maq

            as way above
            Burns – “Facts are chiels that winna’ ding, And daurna be disputit !”

            The facts dear boys – not what you have been led / misled to believe.

          • FFS says:

            What I know is that 2million were SHOT in Poland just for starters, before the camps were even thought of. That’s bad enough as far as I’m concerned.

            But I didn’t pull the trigger so I don’t let that fact sway me either way. Some seem to be obsessed about whether the figure was 4 million or 6million, like it made any real difference.

        • 493

          Agree entirely! I saw Enoch Powell speak at Ealing Town Hall in 1964. His thinking affected mine in the sense that I came to believe that clarity of expression is one of the most important requirements in any field of life. Sure you must also have the right arguments in the first place but you must detect the slightest weakness in the other person’s position and challenge them. Otherwise you get the sort of breakdown in logic which permeates modern life – in just about every way you can name.

  109. 256
    Gideon George Osborne says:

    Home News Business recovery

    Firms entering insolvency rockets 41% in a year

    Vote Tory !

    Hear ! Hear !

    • 303
      Ed Balls-up says:

      Thanks. That’s the news I’ve been waiting for all Christmas

      • 311
        The BBC says:

        And us…

        We’ll find time for it on Richard Bacon’s show, the six o’clock news, and Five Live Drive and PM and Newsbeat and the Ten o’clock News and Newsnight and tomorrow’s Toady programme and Nicky Campbell’s phone in and Victoria Derbyshire

    • 1071
      Jim says:

      Those are mainly the Crooks dodging the tax bill or moving to a Tax Haven.
      They have already started a new business in the same premises or just down the road.
      Statistics, Statistics and Damn Lies.

  110. 262
    Denis MacShane says:

    I am the new Mandela.

  111. 264
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    New day, same bullshit.

  112. 269
    Markwouters918@yahoo.co.uk says:

    Hello,
    How do people whove been denied benefits through the ATOS lies, now are left with no income,as going onto JSA would compromise our Legal position as the injuries we have are known to us ,(Ghost )Employers would be in a similar position Legally to be Sued.
    Also i feel that i dont want to agrivate my injuries or be forced into a position where my injuries could be More serious by having an accident with an Employer,if they would even consider a Human with serious injuries.
    Theres no point being nasty but how do the Police ,GPs and Labour MPs feel about this matter ???

    • 281
      FFS says:

      So what exactly are your injuries Mr Wouter?

      And did you really mean to post your email address or did you just put it in the wrong box?

      • 335
        shirker says:

        Can only speak for myself, 62 years old Self Employed Sparky. Put 40 years in then suffered 2 Strokes, subsequently diagnosed with Diabetes then Macular Degeneration in both eyes (no longer drive) put in work related activity group but no help from jobcentre due to age and disability and because I am entitled to claim Pension Credit from January but wont qualify because the wife works full time ( did someone say something about making work pay?)
        So will sell up downsize and move out of the area at which point my wife will be unemployed, will then be able to claim Pension Credit, Council Tax rebate etc.etc.
        Still, wife should have retired this week anyway but due to changes would have been required to do another 5+ years if still in work . Funny how things work out!
        Had a friend with MS (in wheelchair),declared fit for work and a few weeks later admitted to care home because he can’t feed himself.

        • 589
          HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

          Your problem is caused through not being in any of the politically favoured groups.
          I can only wish you well in future.

      • 403
        Hugh Jend says:

        Might have landed on a vacuum crevice tool, whist cleaning the bathroom naked….possibly?

  113. 270
    Calamity Clegg, Chief Cockroach says:
  114. 271
    Dave wants to invite 75million Muslim Turks says:

    Just shows something badly wrong with the mainstream media when Higella is vilified more than a Labour crook who was trusted to represent his constituency.

    • 1072
      Jim says:

      Her (EX) Hubby has immense influence where it matters in the UK. The big question is can he repeat it in the USA?

  115. 274

    Well it certainly improves the case for prisoners getting the vote. They’ve got enough MPs to represent them.

  116. 277
    Cunt Watch says:

    Judge could have given him 7 years but sentenced him 6 months!!!

    Mr Justice Sweeney told MacShane his dishonesty had been “considerable and repeated many times over a long period”.

    The judge said MacShane had shown “a flagrant breach of trust” in “our priceless democratic system”.

    “The deception used was calculated and designed,” he said.

    He told MacShane he must serve half his sentence in prison and was ordered to pay costs of £1,500 within two months.

    So it’s really only 3 FUCKING MONTHS!!!

    ITS ONE LAW FOR THEM AND ANOTHER LAW FOR THE REST OF THE PLEBS!!!

    • 280
      ████ 'changed my tune ' Hoon says:

      CORRECT !!!

    • 288
      Blue Peter Goldfish says:

      Why is it always The Sweeney that presides over criminal court proceedings concerning Politicians?, answers on a postcard.

    • 293
      albacore says:

      Being shat upon from a very great height
      Is a real Briton’s only remaining right
      No vote for the British to quit the E U
      And sod all choice over immigration, too
      A crooked M P gets just slapped on the wrist
      Can you remember when we went communist?

    • 331
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Law – that reminds me of Dominic Lawson – Oh that I could get a 2 page spread in the Daily Mail [today over pg 14/15] to tell the real truth behind the whole corrupted judicial system. The slebrity squealing of being hard done by becomes more sickeningly pathetic every day. Di dums Dominic – she’s a coke head and no fucking innocent either.

      Never mind eh – the truth is out there on the net.

      • 377
        I've got something in my pocket for you... says:

        So she does coke, big fucking deal…..

        • 394
          The New Seekers says:

          It’s the real thing

          • FFS says:

            Whether she does cocaine or not has fuck all to do with the court case relating to theft carried out by two other people.

            Nor does it explain why the court case dragged on for weeks when it was surely a simple matter.

        • 423
          Blowing Whistles says:

          It’s a big fucking deal – when some of the biggest drug running operations in the UK are facilitated by numerous police forces with dirty lodge links.

          • I've got something in my pocket for you... says:

            Oh fucking spare me..!

            Anyone for fucking tenuous..?

            You might want to get a chin strap for your tinfoil hat, it’s windy outside.

            Your feeble rant hasn’t got anything to do with the fact she’s 4X2ish, has it…?

          • FFS says:

            Bullshit. I know exactly what happened to the so called war on drugs because it was all laid bare in Bristol after the St Paul’s riots.

            The politicians told the police to leave well alone with the ethnic minorities after they raided the Black and White Café in Bristol and started the riots. Basically they were told that since the blicks had decided that weed was part of their culture they should just be left to it. This was a policy of “just leave the buggers in the gutter and let them get on with it” similar to the American approach.

            Of course, what happened was that the blicks saw there was feck all money in selling weed so they immediately swapped to cocaine shipped in from South America via the Carribean. Still the police stayed out of it. Bristol now has the worst injecting drugs problem in the whole of the south of England and street prostitution has gone through the roof to pay for it all.

            I’m assuming the same thing happened in other cities in the UK since it was a policy of the UK government under Thatcher. One of the things she got badly wrong.

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Hey there Ivegot… You brought the fucking subject matter up – not me Rsole.

          • I've got something in my pocket for you... says:

            Blow my whistle you anti-s*mitic spastic.

            Don’t forget to cup the balls.

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            Ahh di dums ‘Ivegot’ summit got up yeur nose has it?

  117. 284
    domino says:

    Merry Christmas Denis, waddya mean you didn’t see it until March 2014?

  118. 287
    Cressida's Dick says:

    # Lost his Wife & Mom, very sad.
    # Lost his job.
    # Lost his courtcase.
    # Lost his liberty.

    And praise due for a change to the judge who refused to listen to the sob story.

    • 352
      FFS says:

      But the judge DID listen to his sob story.

      He said that MacShane had a very tough time of it and therefore it was no suprise that he had been driven to forge receipts by the death of his daughter – that’s one of the reasons he used for reducing the sentence to a third of what the other fraudsters got.

      • 579
        HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

        Despite experiencing several bereavements over the years I’ve never felt induced to commit criminal acts as a result .

    • 399
      Jean Charles de Menezes says:

      Lost his life under your watch/order/cover up?

    • 402
      Hugh Jend says:

      Just as well the coont wasn’t in the X factor then…

  119. 291
    Macshame sings the Folsom Blues says:

    And it burns burns burns
    My ring’s on fire

  120. 298
    ian says:

    Just been a labour mp on sky news called tom harris

    He was upset macshane had got prison time

    He said macshane plead guilty at earliest opportunity

    Is this true?

    He says he made no personal gain

    Is this true?

    Isnt using the money to go to the continent using it for personal gain?

    I don’t get this whole not for personal gain line

    • 345
      nell says:

      Don’t forget he also claimed £100k in expenses for a derelict garage pretending it was his constituency office plus other things – how many ipads and laptops did he buy on expenses? and not they can’t be found and on and on…….

    • 817
      Curly says:

      Harris is a member of the Clan “The Great Birdbrained Scottish Tits”.

      Must be all this soggy porridge damaging his brain cell.

  121. 299
    RomaBob....open the doors! says:

    A labour politician who is a thief? Surely some mistake…….

  122. 300
    majorfrustration says:

    For the same crime do you think we would get away with 6mths – well actually three,

    • 319
      Bill Quango MP/6 says:

      Are you of an alternative sexual disposition?
      Then you’d be let off with community service.

    • 439
      All socialists are hypocrites says:

      You most certainly would NOT. As I posted on the site under another thread….my friend got 3 years for embezzling £20,000 from his employer(which he paid back in full by surrendering his pension)He served 18 months in all of his sentence and he was imprisoned on Christmas Eve and spent 14 days in the Scrubs before being transferred to open prison. He lost everything….house, job and wife as a result. No sympathetic BBC for him.

      Of course that was in the early 90′s. The judge said that although he was of previously of good character, several professional colleagues including myself confirmed this and that there were mitigating circumstances the sentence was to reflect the fact that my friend occupied a position of public trust and that there needed to be a message sent to any other persons in that position contemplating similar actions

      • 522
        Jack Ketch says:

        Which just goes to confirm the oft repeated beef on these pages that MPs, Peers and showbiz types get preferential treatment when they should, in fact, have a bigger book thrown at them because they have been place in a position of privilege. So–write to “correspondence@attorneygeneral.gsi.gov.uk” and object to the sentence before 19th January 2014.

  123. 302
    ian says:

    Tom harris also said he paid the money back as soon as he was caught, but is that really sufficient grounds to show mercy to a theif

    • 318
      Bill Quango MP/6 says:

      To be fair he did plead guilty. After only 4 years saying he was innocent.

    • 329
      Doctor Mick says:

      Yes, I was walking out of Tesco the last Christmas with a medium sized turkey and a bottle of Cava under my donkey jacket, which I had neglected to pay for said items. A store detective stopped me and asked to see the receipt. Of course I didn’t have one so I apologised and offered to put the items back on the shelves……

      Anyway having enjoyed several months at Her Majesty’s Pleasure I am now free again to report that it is not sufficient grounds.

      • 477
        The most amusing claim ever says:

        I read a letter last week on the letters page of the Daily Mail(I aleways make a point of doing so as it’s one of the best laughs ever) where some woman was complaining that she had felt “parched”(her words)whilst out shopping at her local Sainsbury’s and decided to partake of some grapes off the fruit counter to slake her thirst and was MOST put out to have the “store detective” approach HER and accuse HER of theft !! How very dare you !! I mean EVERYONE knows that its perfectly acceptable to eat the produce as you go around the supermarket…saves packing.

  124. 305
    the general public says:

    Some maths homework for you Guido over the holiday period.

    Is there any other profession that has had a higher percentage of their work force (and I use the term “work” very loosely), sent to jail/prosecuted? Bankers maybe but not sure?

    N.B. for this purpose burglary etc. is not to be classed as a profession!

  125. 314
    Albert Pierrepoint II says:

    How much does he weigh? I need to know to get the drop just right.

    • 348
      The only good MP is a dead MP says:

      Better if you get the drop wrong.

      Half an hour thrashing around on the end of a noose never hurt anyone.

    • 562
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      Try the hoist method it will be much more interesting

  126. 316
    Who Flung Shit says:

    In China the Hunt would have been shot straight away…….

  127. 320
    The British media are cunts says:

    What gets me is the sheer effing arrogance of these lefty twats.

  128. 321

    Come to think of it, it is no surprise that Harriet Harman, deputy leader of the Labour Party (courtesy of the block vote), stood up in court and say he was a good bloke – or something to that effect.

    Her judgement on every other matter under the sun has been so appalling throughout her rotten, putrid, miserable existence, that this is entirely consistent with all the other garbage that spews forth from her mouth.

  129. 327
    Graham says:

    Par for the course. Any thieving MP shit should receive a minimum sentence of 5 years. Again one law sor the scum and a totally different law for the rest of us. And as usual the Patten Hunts at the Liebour supporting BBC hardly make a mention of this. Thatcher would have sorted out the Pattenistas ; Cameron hasn’t got tbe balls to do so. Not much point in calling him a wanker as he’s spunkless.

    • 346
      Nemesis says:

      Yeah kick a man when he’s down Guido and all you twats that revel in hate This man suffered severe family heartaches at the time of his crime, okay that doesn’t excuse it but he’s now paying the penalty. I’d love to see how many twats on this site have fiddled their own expenses or indulged in theft no matter how small. In regards to Thatcher, the crone was the most divisive figure ever to lead in politics – thank goodness the creature is dead. Anyway, who really gives a fuck about what people say on this site – including myself of course.

      • 351
        The Great MT says:

        trying to defend the indefensible is really pointless and degrades oneself terribly.

        why do you lefty arseholes insist on doing this to yourselves?

        • 358
          Nemesis says:

          Actually I’m not leftie despite my submission. In fact in regards to immigration (keep the bastards out) and the death penalty (hang them all high) I’m distinctly to the far right. However, I can see both sides of a story.

          • Village Idiot says:

            …..McShane held high office and was voted in by the people. He has brought shame on himself ,his family,his party, his position and laughed(metaphoricaly) in the face of those he wanted to serve! The man ,along with others,is an utter disgrace to the British parliamentary system..How many more are there and what about the Lords who have lost my respect,as Lordships mean zilch nowadays,complete lack of deference ?
            ….It is a shame,….and,what a pathetic sentence for someone in a position of trust and lawmaker to boot!

          • FFS says:

            Actually, the fact that he went to the trouble of forging receipts to claim dodgy expenses suggests he was a heartless bastard that didn’t give a damn about his daughter’s tragic death. He was far more interested in lining his own pockets in imaginative ways.

    • 349
      FFS says:

      David “Common Purpose” Cameron is part of the same club

      pro-EU
      against long jail terms
      pro global warming conspiracy
      pro immigration

      Why on Earth would you expect him to do something totally out-of-character like privatise the BBC?

      Cameron set out to lose the “Nasty Party” tag that was put on the shoulders of the Tories by Labour. How did he set about doing this? By becoming a new Labour Party. And did it win him any favours with the left-wing press? No – they are to this day referring to the Tories as the Nasty Party.

  130. 328
    Rolf Harris says:

    Can you tell when I’m going to prison yet?

  131. 330
    Desert Toerag says:

    Two months in ‘toff’s’ prison and no fear of meeting ethnics or scum like me! Its no punishment at all as the privileged arseholes in his circle regard it as acceptable and the media think of it as tasty qualification.

    Water off a duck’s back to this shameless fucker.

    • 583
      Turkey says:

      Can’t they house him with those two Islamic slaughter merchants?

    • 677
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Do you for one minute think that that shameless gutless political pygmie gives a flying fuck about the soldiers that he and his sent out to war / to die / to be maimed for life?

  132. 333
    Mark Thompson says:

    I don’t remember ever saying I that I ever remembered being reminded that I might possibly have definitely not not heard of Rolf Harris.

    • 1057
      Hugh Jend says:

      Rolf once told my missus ( when she was a little girl….she wasn’t my missus then…I’m not a strange one) to flip off, when she asked for his autograph at a show he was on…

      Can’t say I blame him though….she can be a right pain in the arse!

  133. 334
    Calamity Clegg, Chief Cockroach says:
  134. 336
    Sally Bercow says:

    I hate to mention it, but I’m off to M&S shortly for my alcohol and pork. BRACE YOURSELVES.

  135. 338
    Jingles in the jungles says:

    I see the orange one and harpic went to bat for McShame, isn’t that like two wolves saying how nice the big bad wolf in Red Riding Hood is, so he gets a wrap on the knuckles who’d have guessed, certainly not the commentary on this blog.

  136. 341
    Rejoice says:

    Christmas has come early! The prospect of MacShane spending the holidays in prison is a joy to share with all.

  137. 342
    nell says:

    Be home in time for Easter then!

    • 347
      The only good MP is a dead MP says:

      Hopefully his sphincter will be so loose by then he’ll be able to hide a large Easter egg up his arse without it touching the sides.

    • 354
      The BBC says:

      The 2014 European Parliament election is scheduled to be held on Thursday 22 May. Mr MacShane will be on our coverage team alongside Mr Christopher Huhne and Miz Vasiliki Pryce .

      • 429
        The most amusing claim ever says:

        The BBC is now so much beyond parody that that would not surprise anybody at all if it came to pass

  138. 350
    ian says:

    A lenient sentence

    Quelle surprise

    • 357
      A Ship's Lawyer says:

      An arrogant little comment from that arrogant little thief.

      I just hope some lag punches his lights out.

      It makes my blood boil that he can be led away to the cells and make cocky little statements like that and think he is above the law and has got away with it.

      • 509
        Desert Toerag says:

        Unfortunately he has. If you as Ship’s Lawyer had pulled his strokes it would have been 18 months in real prison. like Huhne and Vaselini Price he will mix only with white collar inmates.

        It’s a FIX pas surprise.

  139. 353
    CHRSIT ON A BIKE! says:

    He’ll be out before the election and no doubt, he’ll get dumped on a shortlist of candidates in a safe Labour seat by his old Union chums.

    • 971
      Directorate of Non-Compliance says:

      What is really sad is that there are people who will vote for MacShane should be be selected as a Labour candidate in 2015.

  140. 355
    Thomas from Tonna says:

    Both Blears and Cameron have been caught pilfering our money and just because you give it back when questions are asked does not make it any less criminal.

    The sooner these two bastards are arrested convicted and locked up the sooner people can begin again to trust the legal system.

    • 529
      Desert Toerag says:

      Flipper Blears waved a cheque for £13000 at the TV cameras which she claimed would settle capital gains on one of her property transactions. I suspect that the Inland Revenue and Customs have no mechanism for collecting unsolicited donations such as hers.

      What happened to her cheque? Clever rats-MPs

  141. 356
    Captain says:

    somebody else who should be in prison

    Aren’t captains supposed to go down with their sinking ships? So why has IDS NOT RESIGNED!!! This Walter-Mitty thinks the good ship Universal Credit is still sailing.

    Not a Captain, only ever an acting captain?

    From NMac
    It appears there might be another serious anomaly between what Duncan-Smith claims and the actual reality. There are only three entries in the London Gazette which refer to Duncan Smith. These are: -

    1) The Supplement to the London Gazette of 28 June 1977 shows G. I. Duncan Smith being promoted from Second Lieutenant to Lieutenant.

    2) The Supplement to the London Gazette of 21 April 1981 shows Lieutenant G. I. Duncan Smith (500263) being removed from the Army’s Active List.

    3) The Supplement to the London Gazette of 12 July 1983 shows Lieutenant G. I. Duncan Smith (500263) ceasing to belong to the Army’s Reserve of Officers on 29 June 1983.

    Absolutely nowhere is this character shown as being promoted to Captain. Perhaps the loathsome individual, G. I. Duncan Smith, is just a plain, old-fashioned confidence trickster?

    politicalscrapbook.net/2013/04/this-isnt…ed-life-experiences/

    It’s similarly reported across a whole range of papers, so look in the London Gazette and here he becomes a 2nd Lieutenant fresh out of RMA Sandhurst:
    George Iain DUNCAN SMITH (500263) S.G
    http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/46656/supplements/10257

    Here he gets promoted and put into the Reserves:
    http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/48589/supplements/5769

    And here he gets removed from the Reserves still as a Lieutenantt:
    http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/49412/supplements/9146

    An ex-forces group checked through and can’t find any captain promotion for him anywhere.

    We think they’re maybe right, and on top of him mis-stating his education – we think he may be all ‘Walter Mitty’ about his military history too?

    • 623
      FFS says:

      IDS Wikipedia Entry:

      He was commissioned into the Scots Guards as a second lieutenant on 28 June 1975. He was assigned the service number 500263.[8] He was promoted to lieutenant on 28 June 1977.[9] He was moved to the Regular Army Reserve of Officers on 2 April 1981, signalling his retirement from the military.[10]

      So your point is??????

    • 658
      Captain Peacock says:

      A bit like me, I wasn’t a captain either.

  142. 359
    ian says:

    I will never have macshanes money but I will always be able to say that I’ve never been to jail

    What do you think macshanes attitude is to people who work for little reward but are law abiding?

    Do you think he admires them or just think someone is stupid if they don’t have a few fiddles going?

  143. 363
    AJC says:

    I notice that the BBC seem to forget that MacShane has been removed from the Privy Council.

    “… Made a privy counsellor in 2005 he became …”

  144. 366
    Servitude! says:

    Guido will be celebrating!

  145. 367
    Ric Holden CCHQ says:

    Foreign & Commonwealth Office reports North Korea and South Korea exchange faxes threatening to attack each other.

    In other news, North Korea has a fax machine.

  146. 369
    Anonymous says:

    Listening to Tom Harris on Sky tells us all we need to know about our political classes.

    However MacShane should be in a cell with Laws and Moran.

    Our white liberal establishment make sure there is one rule for them and one for all the little people.

    MacShane set out and succeeded in systematically defrauding the tax payer and he got 6 months.

    • 380
      Baldrick's burger bar says:

      Apart from the readers and writers here, do you think anybody else in the country noticed what has happened?

    • 391
      Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

      As usual your commets are top notch,the white liberal establishment dont give a flying fuck about anyone but themselves this country is going to hell in a handbasket.

      • 489
        Village Idiot says:

        …….Already there and it started in earnest after the European referendum in 1975 and accelerated during the “Years of Terror”(1997-2010).
        ….Our political elite have ruined a lovely country and turned it into a shit hole in places…..Unforgivable!!

    • 407
      Blowing Whistles says:

      During times of war he and his always thieve and steal from the British Public.

  147. 373
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    I have a confession to make. I parked in a ‘Mother & Baby’ bay at Tescos. *Cue outrage from parents*. In anticipation of that….Fuck Off!

  148. 375
    Another Headshrinker says:

    Short enough that he doesn’t get excluded from parliament! Whose cock is he sucking and what Masonic lodge does he belong to! And Chris Huhne is a gayer, taken to London gyms cruising for ass!

  149. 379
    Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    Even after sentence he ws heard to mutter Quellle Surprise!.The mans hubris has no bounds.I hope his fellow inmates give hime some grief tonight and while my family and I are eating our goose on Christmas Day I hope someone gobs in his lunch,an evil bastard who has shown not the merest contrition or regret.

  150. 384
    Wikipedia says:

    Tony Blair’s expenses were shredded ‘by mistake’ when they were the subject of a legal bid to have them published.[27]
    Conservative Derek Conway was alleged in May 2007 to have employed and paid his son, a student at the time. The matter was forwarded to the House of Commons Standards and Privileges Committee, whose report dated 28 January 2008 concluded there was no record of such work. Conway was suspended for 10 days and ordered to repay £13,000.[28] Conway was also expelled from the party. A second case a year later found he had done the same with regard to his other son.[29]
    Chairman of the Conservative Party Caroline Spelman was alleged in June 2008 to have paid for her nanny out of parliamentary expenses during her early years in Parliament, between 1997 and 1998[30]—an allegation that became known as “Nannygate”. It was ruled that she had inadvertently “misapplied part of [her] parliamentary allowances”, but calls for her sacking were rebutted since she might not have been aware of the rules governing the use or purpose of parliamentary allowances. The committee recommended that Spelman repay £9,600.[31]
    Married couple and Labour Cabinet ministers Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper were accused in September 2007 of exploiting the Commons’ allowances system in order to pay for a £655,000 house in London.[32] The complaint, centring on the gain made by allocation of their “second house”, was dismissed since it was held the couple had acted in accordance with parliamentary rules.[33]
    Married Conservative MPs Sir Nicholas and Lady Winterton were accused in June 2008 of claiming back mortgage interest on a mortgage they had fully repaid, on a flat they owned in London, and then also placing the flat in trust and claiming for the rent on it.[34] It was held there had been a clear breach of the rules, but no repayment was ordered.[35]
    Labour Home Secretary Jacqui Smith was stated to have claimed for her main home by designating it as a second home, while identifying as her main home a location she spent as little as 2 days a week, and despite also having access to a “grace and favour” home in Westminster. No investigation was held, however, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards stating there was “not sufficient evidence for an inquiry”.[36] A string of further claims came to light in 2009, including various domestic items[37] and a claim for two pornographic films viewed by her husband Richard Timney.[38]
    Labour minister Tony McNulty admitted claiming expenses for a second home in Harrow, 8 miles from his main home in Hammersmith, and asserted they were appropriate, but ceased claiming the allowances.[39] Under continuing pressure, he apologised to the House for expenses abuses on 29 October 2009.
    Conservative MP Eric Pickles likewise was identified as claiming for a second home 37 miles from his main home.

    • 447
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      All within the rules they did nothing wrong

    • 470
      Anonymous says:

      Does Wiki have an entry for what happend with the expenses of the female Education secretary who was a member of Opus Dei.

      Over the last 45 years every time I have mentiioned her name my post was deleted !!

      She was supposed to have had damage to her constuency home in Bolton caused by water leaks and employed builders to effect a repair. She somehow omitted to call her insurance company but put the bill through her expenses.

      There is a big story here involving systematic fraud – it just needs someone to follow it through.

      • 498
        Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

        Pope Francis says,,leave our Ruth alone.

      • 554
        bit.ly says:

        RUTH KËLLY?

        • 558
          bit.ly says:

          On 18 May 2009 Kêlly became involved in the MPs’ Expenses Scandal when the Daily Telegraph revealed she had claimed a total of £31,000 between 2004 and 2008 for rebuilding, refurbishing, and purchasing appliances for her second home. It was subsequently revealed on 21 May 2009 that some of this money was used to repair damage caused by a burst pipe. Kêlly was insured for this damage but did not claim on that insurance after being advised by the fees office that a reasonable amount could be claimed under the allowances system

    • 565
      Blue Peter Goldfish says:

      To put it concisely, they are all still thieving so and and so’s, I don’t need Wicky to tell me that.

  151. 387
    Wikipedia says:

    Sir Peter Viggers (Conservative, Gosport) – said to have claimed £20,000 on gardening expenses and £1,645 for a 5 ft duck house,[107] made as a replica of Skogaholm Manor in Stockholm, Sweden.[108] Mystery surrounds the whereabouts of the £1,645 duck house after aerial photographs revealed it was no longer in its pond, but Viggers had sold the property and the new owners may have removed the house for reasons related to this story.[109] The duck house later resurfaced and was auctioned for charity, going on display at a business center in Wolverhampton

    • 452
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      All within the rules they did nothing wrong

      • 792
        Anonymous says:

        Not surprised they could not find the duck house it was disallowed no monies paid no duck house bought
        Now back to the labour thieves

  152. 388
    Wikipedia says:

    Bernard Jenkin (Conservative, North Essex) – was reported to have used £50,000 in expenses in order to pay his sister-in-law rent on the property he uses as his constituency home. Jenkin claimed that he was paying “an honest and reasonable rent” for the property

  153. 389
    Wikipedia says:

    Michael Gove (Shadow Children, Schools & Families Secretary/Conservative, Surrey Heath) – claimed £7,000 for furnishing a London property before “flipping” his designated second home to a house in his constituency, a property for which he claimed around £13,000 to cover stamp duty. It is also alleged that Gove claimed for a cot mattress, despite children’s items being banned under the Commons rule. Gove said he would repay the claim for the cot mattress, but maintained that his other claims were “below the acceptable threshold costs for furniture”

    • 458
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      All within the rules they did nothing wrong

      • 476
        ALI minium says:

        Who’s rules ?
        Oh silly me their rules , the ones they use to cover themselves to make it virtually impossible to prosecute them , unless they get so greedy they step outside “the bubble”

  154. 390
    Wikipedia says:

    David Willetts (Shadow Innovation, Universities and Skills Secretary/Conservative, Havant) – allegedly claimed £100 for workmen to replace 25 light bulbs in his second home

    • 405
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Does wiki have an entry for John Butterfill his boots ex of 1922 committee – who filled up with more than £17,000 expense fiddling and who was also caught by dispatches with Hewitt and Hoon attempting to sell themselves … Oh and didn’t Blair gift the Sir Hood to Butterfill for his silence on so many issues? Papertrails they are out there.

      • 436
        Vicki Pedia says:

        Cheryl Gillan (Shadow Welsh Secretary/Conservative, Chesham and Amersham) – claimed on expenses for £4.47 worth of pet food. Gillan confirmed that dog food had been mistakenly included in a claim, and that she would pay the relevant amount back to the Commons

        • 608
          Turkey says:

          I’d like to see the receipt for that repayment from Gillan….just to confirm it. Not doubting her at all of course, but just for the record.
          Any chance Guido could ask her to produce it?

    • 463
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      All within the rule they did nothing wrong

      • 684
        Blowing Whistles says:

        Wrong, wrong and wrong; again and again “Herd. it all” – because them ‘rules’ were created by the legal fraternity to unlawfully protect the thieves in parliament and contrary to the natural laws of the land. The legal fraternity – created all them contracts to allow the chief banksters off of the hook – for many purposes none the least of which was to subjugate parliament.

    • 496
      Your starter for 10 says:

      David Willetts – how many expense forms does it take to get your light-bulbs changed ?

  155. 392
    The British media are cunts says:

    Lots of Muslims spouting on about how we should be adapting to their cultural sensitivities, such as alcohol free Christmas parties etc. note how they don’t think they are the ones that need to do anything.

    • 400
      Voice of Reason says:

      We should be telling them in no uncertain terms to fuck off

      • 633
        The Devil's Own says:

        I’m a Satanist and I demand to eat your first born.

        What do you mean “fuck off?”

      • 733
        Blowing Whistles says:

        Perhaps you and The Devils Own – should acquaint yourselves with Hugh of Lincoln?

    • 404
      RomaBob....open the doors! says:

      Wishing a peaceful Christmas period to the IDF

      https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson

      • 465
        Sobering Thought says:

        Hello shlomo…it was your tribe that enlisted other minorities in the UK to push muliculturalism under the banner of racial equality…and we all know which group has benefited the most from that ruse. Don’t we. MacShane being one of them.

        • 636
          FFS says:

          So you are saying this “tribe” which numbers just 275,000 in the UK, conspired to import 2.7million Muzzies even though they are hated by them, because somehow they thought they might benefit from that????

          Boy are you screwed up. Worse than I imagined.

    • 444
      UKIP or bust says:

      What ever happend to the ED L?

    • 454
      J Redmond says:

      Religion is usually at odds with common sense, reality and the wishes of the general public, so it seems stupid to work in a job where you sell items which are an affront to your religious teachings.

      It’s like that bed and breakfast couple who seemed to completely forget that gay people like to sleep and eat food as well and then decided that it was society that was at fault, not their ridiculous beliefs

      • 471
        ALI minium says:

        I don’t think they had a problem with them eating and sleeping ?

      • 638
        FFS says:

        I don’t think you have to be Christian to object to two men having anal sex in your bed. Clearly you haven’t heard the sound they make – it is like listening to someone with severe constipation.

    • 462
      Theo R Deroftheboot says:

      What connection are they suggesting that there might be between their religion and Christmas ? If they don’t like it then they should piss off back to their own country.

    • 464
      ALI minium says:

      They always have plenty to say about how us infidels run our lives
      Living in peace with a laugh and a few beers , doesn’t go down well with people who prefer to slaughter their own kind as well as anybody else who does not conform to their miserable existence

      • 478
        David Peckham says:

        Am I correct in understanding that M&S is allowing its employees to adhere to Saudi Arabian law if they wish to?

    • 474
      Pastafarian says:

      I wonder what this woman does when she goes to have a blood test and the puncture site is swabbed with alcohol to sterilise it? I also hope she doesn’t use perfumes, which routinely contain alcohol. But then putting it on your skin is not consuming it, so it will not be haram.

    • 482
      Boycott Marks & Spencer says:

      Refusing to handle alcohol is nothing to do with Islam and is yet another example of how the teachings of Mohammed are perverted by extremists in much the same way as the some Christian leaders have perverted Christ’s teachings to further their own ends. The handling of pork is trickier, but as long as there is no direct contact with the meat itself (i.e. it is already wrapped), there is no bar in Islam to a Muslim worker handling or selling pork either

      • 494
        FFS says:

        Those that remain in Islam have become more extreme than the societies they left, largely because 2/3rds of their number have kissed goodbye to allah since coming to the UK.

      • 500
        Anonymous says:

        Has anyone investigated who this employee is; it sounds like a set up

        How did she end up on a till in a food a drink hall if she had these beliefs

        M & S a re usually pretty professional in this area and would have seen this coming

        This whole thing was a set up, M & S took the bait and we are now one small step nearer to sharia law

        • 592
          NICK CLEGGOVER (shagger of 40 women) says:

          With shite like this tending their tills , and their unwillingness to do fuck all about this
          It’s no wonder M@S are going down the shitter

  156. 393
    Why weren't these two prosecuted? says:

    Gerry Adams (Sinn Féin (President), Belfast West) and Martin McGuinness (Sinn Féin,[note 1] Mid Ulster) – reportedly jointly claimed £3,600 a month for a shared flat in London, for which a local estate agent claims a fair rent would be £1,400

    • 420
      BAZIL FLAHERTY says:

      “Don’t mention the war”

    • 446
      Coming out of retirement for the 965th time, Sinead O'Conner says:

      It was like payback for like all the famine and stuff.

      Right, fuck you, I’m going back into retirement again.

      I’m serious this time.

    • 612
      Sickening says:

      The peace process, you can’t fuck with the sacred peace process .
      Anything goes, murder, paedohpilia, robbery, extortion….anything at all, so long as the IRA aren’t bombing London.

    • 632
      Anonymous says:

      Read the book ’50 Dead Men Walking’.
      Just shows what these two Hunts really are.

  157. 397
    Hühnewatch says:

    Chris Huhne (Home Affairs Spokesman/Liberal Democrat Eastleigh) – is said to have claimed for various items including groceries, fluffy dusters and a trouser press. Huhne said he would repay the cost of the trouser press in order “to avoid controversy”

    • 406
      Scottish Chav says:

      not like he even wears the trousers in his house!

    • 414
      MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD and CODFATHER of SOLE says:

      Was that for his husband Karina’s trousers ?

    • 416
      MIKE OXHARD says:

      Was that for his husband Karina’s trousers ?

    • 450
      Jack Ketch says:

      Don’t forget Phil Woolas (Labour) who claimed for panty liners on his expenses!
      He ended up being thrown out of the Labour Party for various other fraudulent activities.

      • 468
        The most amusing claim ever says:

        Was he just a “cab for hire” or just “a ship that passed in the night ?”

      • 480
        ALI minium says:

        They should all be allowed to claim for “pocket liners”

        • 532
          Nick Griffin says:

          Who was the festering turd who claimed 50p for a poppy
          and the other twat who claimed for a remembrance day wreath

  158. 418
    retardEd Miliband says:

    Four hundred and firtht!

  159. 422
    Anonymous says:

    aberdeen

  160. 426
    MIKE OXHARD says:

    David Cameron

    “I have a confession to make. I parked in a ‘Mother & Baby’ bay at Tesco”

    Well you should be prosecuted as your daughter has been buying our beer all afternoon in the pub

  161. 435
    Ric Holden CCHQ says:

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from all at CCHQ. Thanks for all your support in 2013 – here’s to 2014!

  162. 467

    ‘Fuck you!’ What Ryanair steward repeatedly screamed at passenger who handed back ‘rip-off’ £4.20 cheese and crackers - Mail

    Actually, that is much better service than I received when I last flew Ryanair.

  163. 497
    Nigel Mirage says:
    • 502
      C.O.Jones says:

      Fuck off and stop misleading people!

    • 525
      Gooey Blob says:

      The only good thing about Ukip is that they couldn’t organise their way out of a paper bag. A total shambles.

      • 530
        C.O.Jones says:

        For a party that cannot organise their way out of a paper bag they are doing incredibly well in the polls.

        The only “total shambles” around here is your understanding of politics.

        • 541
          Gooey Blob says:

          No, they’re struggling around the same level as the Lib Dems. Come 2015 they won’t get into double-figures percentage-wise. Under our present system they need around thiry percent to win a single seat.

          Vote Ukip, get Labour.

          • C.O.Jones says:

            Under normal circumstances I would agree with you. However I feel that the outcome of the euro elections will have a catalysing effect on British politics.

            We are both being speculative here and will both have to wait and see.

    • 527
      Nick Griffen says:

      Suck my large hairy ENGLISH plums , You fuckin foreigner loving lefty twat !

      WE ARE FULL ! END OF

      • 537
        C.O.Jones says:

        Your attempt to align UKIP with the BNP is a rather pathetic effort. Leftie troll more like.

      • 539
        C.O.Jones says:

        Your attempt to align UKIP with the B-hen-P is a rather pathetic effort. Leftie troll more like.

    • 582
      John Bellingham says:

      I think that Nigel look very “Leaderish” in that pic. The cigar sort of sends a message to Madame Soubry (digital).
      “F E A R ” What could that stand for? “F*** Europe! Advance Regina!”?

    • 726
      Watch out for dirty tricks says:

      “What is Action 2014? Action 2014 is a grassroots movement to stop UKIP winning the 2014 election, which they are on course to do”

      Grassroots my arse.

      Great ad for UKIP though. The FEAR is that of Dave’n’miliband – you can almost smell it.

  164. 504
    Anonymous says:

    Here is an article to set you all right: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/23/denis-macshane-admirable-career-politician.

    Essentially, by goodness he was a good man with good opinions, not like these hateful little-Englander bigots who make a horrible living going around making accusations of Euro-corruption. As if such a thing …

    … sorry, can’t go on, my flowing tears are making me choke on my £19.99 organic single estate fairtrade 1% of profits goes to Palestine ‘flakes de corn’ …

    So, pretty much the same as his defence/mitigation, then.

    • 508
      Anonymous says:

      And one of the comments below:

      “The worst two things about this ending will be the harm it does to the pro-EU cause and that numpty Guido gloating about it.”

  165. 507
    Parachuted in to a labour stronghold , a place he had never heared of or been says:

    I cannot believe this !

    Ed Milliband’s constituency is Bentley nr Doncaster FFS i would bet he has Never been there
    It is a million miles away from the silver spoon upbringing that the Millitwat had
    This like many of the towns around this area were “Pit villages”, towns that had grown up around the colliery for over a century , in some cases over 130 years When this was taken away from them they had nothing , and still have nothing most of these places have nothing in the form of employment and all they are left with is a spoil heap and a lake and the memory of those who gave their all to make this country “what it was “

    • 535
      less is more says:

      As Yorkshire men think that they belong to the center of the Universe and as the whole of Yorkshire is infested with socialists you would have thought they could have found one of their own.

    • 542

      Ha Ha! Bentley, outpost of Doncaster. The place where you put the tube in if you wish to give South Yorkshire an enema.

      On the crossroads at its centre, the biggest shop you see on the corner is “Caribbean Tanning”. It really tells you all you need to know about priorities here. Good luck to the owners, they are satisfying a clear demand, but are their customers paying with their own money or the state’s?

      • 581
        Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

        I bet its not like that in Trento around the Cathedral Square?

        • 619

          Did not stop there this time but have been before and you are quite right, it is magnificent with its Roman Basilica preserved in the crypt. The only trouble is that you have an embarrassment of riches a bit further south, as you probably know, at Ravenna, Aquileia and Porec where the various basilica there have the addition of mosaics from the late Roman to early Byzantine periods.

      • 609
        MARK OATEN it's the way i Smell e'm says:

        They will soon be closing down as most of the population of these towns certainly don’t need a top up tan

    • 548
      Jack Ketch says:

      As someone mentioned on TV over the weekend, “Milliband” sounds like a discount offer from an Internet Service Provider.

      • 563
        less is more says:

        I had my first joint in Wakefield in 1965, turned on by a friend I will be forever grateful to. It was the funniest afternoon I ever had, sat on a bench outside the Cathedral watching people shopping.

    • 667
      Another old codger says:

      Sky news was there today asking if things would be better if Labour got back into power. One old codger complained that Miilitwat never visited his constituency.

    • 887
      FFS says:

      The original miners moved there in search of work, but their descendents can’t be arsed and think the rest of the country should fund their continued existence in a town with no purpose.

      We will soon be on our third generation of dossers discussing the miner’s strike as if they are the refugees of some kind of war, and we are on our third government which seems to think this is in any way acceptable.

  166. 511
    broderick crawford says:

    SO HERE IT IS ….. NODDY HOULDER

  167. 514
    less is more says:

    Chilcot is published next year so any day now, I know this because Dave said so.

  168. 526
    Dave la Mince. says:

    Well done Anna.That will teach the ruffian.

    • 544
      NICK CLEGGOVER (shagger of 40 women) says:

      Well we all know that most Tories also like things up their bottoms , but nothing as small as a finger would suffice

    • 551
      Jack Ketch says:

      “Comments are closed.”

      Can’t think why!

    • 595
      Ippikin says:

      Methinks Mr. Farage bleats to loud. For a fag smoking, beer sodden shrinking violet, his protestations ring a touch hollow.
      Go on Nige, flip open the Rothmans, pick up your pint and move on.

      • 767
        FFS says:

        shrink′ing vi′olet n. a shy or self-effacing person.

        Doesn’t sound like our Nige. Are you sure you’re talking about the same person?

      • 860
        Anonymous says:

        Ippikin you are the one who should move on .. to the next rent boy probably

    • 599
      nell says:

      I think her crude comments were totally unacceptable for a minister of the crown and for a supposed lady. It put me in mind of the crude unacceptable language alastair darling’s wife used when gordonnbrown upset her husband.

      Do women in public life have no standards anymore?!

      • 613
        Standards dear boy, standards. says:

        I agree Nell she sounds like a foul mouthed c unt !

        • 624
          nell says:

          I think it’s disgraceful how the standards amongst women in public life , with their unacceptably crude and foul language , introduced during the 13 years of Terror by labour women (1997-2010), has become the norm!

      • 614
        Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

        No they are all Hunts

      • 615
        MARK OATEN it's the way i Smell e'm says:

        I think stealing from tax payers is totally unacceptable from a minister of the crown , and should carry a mandatory death sentence !

    • 649
      Gutter Politics says:

      If Nigel had said it about her, the tears would be rolling and the sexual harassment complaints would come rolling in. She knew full well what she was doing and trying to bait a response out of him about it to damage his reputation.

    • 723
      End Gesture Politics says:

      NIgel Farage has made his point. Polite people know what sort of scum she is.

      He should not overdo the response, but this woman’s card is marked.

    • 808
      Screwtape says:

      Easy to see why Soubry found favour with bum-sex champion Cameron.

      Keep up the good work, Anna. You’re mine now.

    • 882
      FFS says:

      Soubry had a majority of 389 at the last election I believe. Polls suggest that UKIP will be taking at least 1200 votes off her at the next election.

      If she think she can save her sorry ass by making crude remarks about Nigel’s ass, I think she will be put right in 2015.

      Funnily enough she is described on Wikipedia as being “Strongly favouring bum-sex relationships”. Seems she has a fixation with anal.

  169. 532
    Fatty Watson says:

    I hope so, I need someone to show me how to vote!

  170. 534
    Wait - what! says:

    Tom Harris, damn well explain your comments on television that MacShane ” did not profit personally”.
    This is claptrap and you know it.

    • 598
      Ippikin says:

      He only ever speaks claptrap, so why the shock horror?

    • 603
      nell says:

      I wish I had a derelict garage with a broken down door, no heating, no windows and no furniture on which I could claim £100k from the taxpayer for a ‘modern functioning constituency office’ which it clearly was not!!

      • 731
        Raw says:

        Why would you want to be one of the biggest scumbags in the kingdom?

      • 768
        Regus Serviced Offices says:

        We would have done you a fully serviced office for about £2000 a year in a modern purpose built building complete with air-conditioning and a receptionist.

    • 605
      Yes Tom Harris please explain ? says:

      Exactly , how on earth did he not profit personally from these scams ? Getting the money in this way meant he didnt have to get it from another source such as his own pocket for exampe. He spent much of the money on himself getting around Europe .

      His claim that he was entitled to this money and could have claimed it legitimately begs the question then why didnt he ? Why did he have to go to all the effort of manufacturing false invoices to support his claims if he could have done so legitimately without resorting to this deception ? What utter poppycock to suggest he didnt profit.

    • 616
      Ed Nick Dave Camercleggiband says:

      Robbing the poor is fine so long as you give all the proceeds to your rich friends.

  171. 536
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    MacShane is a thief, no excuses. Labour MP’s that side with MacShane are just as bad.

  172. 545
    Nemesis says:

    OK I apologise for my remarks. You are so right.

  173. 553
    Ziggy says:

    Should have 6 bloody years!!!

  174. 564
    Jimmy says:

    I had no idea there was an entire Wikipedia page called ‘The political positions of David Cameron’

    • 569
      Wikipedia says:

      Cameron has pledged to scrap the early release of prisoners, toughen prison regimes, make them compensate victims through a special fund paid into by work in prison, and withdraw welfare payments from those who fail to attend community service. Uniforms would be introduced for those completing community service. He has also proposed a big prison-building program and introducing mandatory custodial sentences for all convicted of carrying a knife. His proposal to abolish the 1998 Human Rights Act would enable some of his measures.

    • 576
      Wikipedia says:

      During the Labour government’s repeal of the Section 28 legislation in 2000, which banned local authorities from promoting the acceptability of homosexuality, Cameron accused Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair of being against family values and of pursuing the “promotion of homosexuality in schools”.[59] In 2003, once Cameron had been elected as Conservative MP for Witney, he continued to support Section 28 and voted against its full repeal via a Conservative amendment which would have maintained Section 28 in schools.

    • 625
      Jimmy the Dhimmi says:

      You have no idea. Full Stop.

      • 648
        Dimmy Dave's Roma apocalypse says:

        Jimmy is a dimmy, for sure, but that doesn’t mean hating our moronic PM is the wrong thing to do.

        Camoron is a loathsome little europhile debt-addicted little cúnt, and hating him is everyone’s civic duty.

  175. 566
  176. 567
    BBC Leftwit says:

    Just FYI, we’ll be mentioning Is lam, Mus lims, Mo hammed (PBUH) and All ah as frequently as we can over Christmas, leading all news programmes on our beloved Syrian insurgents.

    Also, all our popular programmes will attempt to portray miscegenation as “normal”.

    Enjoy!

  177. 577
    Jack the Ripper says:

    MacShane! Come back, MacShane!

  178. 593
    nell says:

    Well I am not sure it is good to be mentioning Christmas on such an unhappy blog subject about someone being imprisoned for fraud and dishonesty of the public purse.

    However, I wish you all a Very Merry Christmas – hope you all have a Very Happy Time and may 2014 be good to all of us!

    • 600
      Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

      A meery Christmas to you Nell unfortunately it aint going to be a good 2014.

      • 618
        nell says:

        My perception is rather different being always an optimist.

        I think, if we do get this influx of very poor people from abroad who are saying themselves that they have no education so couldn’t work and will live by begging, shoplifting and pickpocketing oh and joining our own benefit dependent troughers , whilst the rest of us work and pay taxes, this will be a vote winner for the No to EU referendum when it comes. And it is coming despite dear cleggie grandstanding today.

        It will be one those unhappy disadvantages turned to our advantage.

        2014 is going to be a fascinating year.

        • 622
          UKIP or bust says:

          Merry Christmas to you Nell, as for the coming year I no longer think things can’t get any worse, and suspect they will, but like you I am always hoping for better.

          • nell says:

            I am still hoping to see nigelfarage as an mp in 2015 – he will just need to pick his constituency seat very carefully.

            It would however give me great joy if he decided to stand again against bercow , and win this time in 2015! He needs to make a move early in 2014 to say where he’s going to stand so that we can all support him!

  179. 606
    Ed Balls says:

    First!

  180. 607
    Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    Our Heroine Nigella is on the Food Channel at this moment making chocolate fudge I hope McShames is watching,he may get some for supper.

    • 621
      nell says:

      I am a great supporter of #TeamNigella.

      One can only say of that saatchi chap that he is utterly ungentlemanly and without charm!!

      • 735
        Enough already says:

        Maybe, but you should see the todger on him.

      • 773
        FFS says:

        Given that she admits to have been doing cocaine before she married Saatchi, I think Saatchi may have had a lot to put up with.

        Living with someone with a serious drug problem is no picnic.

        Sure, if he had been more of a man he would have taken it on his shoulders and found a way to deal with it, but which is really the worse of the two I couldn’t say.

    • 672
      Another old codger says:

      Won’t be a finger of fudge like Nigel.

  181. 611
    Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    She is now tlking about mincing!

  182. 626
    Tommo789 says:

    I was employed as a service manager for 27 years for asda and had many Muslim employees and have never heard of a Muslim refusing to scan bottles and packages. It is not against the religion to handle these products, otherwise half the stores in London and the midlands are going to have one horrendous next few days. This is a problem with the employee and also the person who interviews and employed her. And if there was no other role to fit her in the workplace, unfortunately she would have to resign. It have just heard john humphreys brow beating asda director into admitting it was his company’s policy, even tho he kept on saying it wasn’t. Seems we are on that ever downward daily mail/telegraph immigrant spiral. God what an horrendous vile country we are becoming day by day. It’s time the majority of good people in this country got off thier backsides and told theses anti everything brigade to go and find a utopia to live in

  183. 634

    So Kim Jong-un “was very drunk” when ordering the executions of his uncle and family.

    Why, oh why, did we not get him to sit at the Old Bailey today?

  184. 642
    Macshame's cellmate says:

    Hey boy! I gots one helluva quelle surprise for you tonight!

  185. 645
    Jack Dromey says:

    For christmas lunch, I’ll be having lots of black pudding.

  186. 647
    Birds of a feather flock together says:

    Can’t believe this mug has shacked up with Vicky Pryce, you couldn’t make it up.

  187. 651
    Huhne, an old lag says:

    Nothing to doing a stretch, mate!

    Snitch to the guards if you see anything, they’ll see you OK
    Attract the attention of a 200Kg Negro and become his ‘woman’, he’ll see you OK
    Convert to Is lam, the prison’s Imam will see you OK
    Become an ‘enforcer’ for the prison’s loan-shark, he’ll see you OK
    Become a pusher for the prison’s drug lord, he’ll see you OK

    Worked for me!

    • 655
      The Right Honourable (!) David Laws MP says:

      Ha! You should have played the “mince” card.

      Worked for me.

      I stole £50,000 from the public during a prolonged fraud, got told to take a 7-day paid holiday as ‘punishment’, and then the toffee-nosed prick in Number 10 fast-tracked me straight back into the cabinet!

      Kerrrrrrrching!

      • 736
        You can take the boy out of boarding school... says:

        But only after you sat on his face, you delicious little tart.

      • 1074
        Sir Roger de Senseless says:

        Quite right. It’s a good job they banged McShame up then – albeit only for three months or less. He can’t even undertake the simple task of nicking twelve grand from an open till spilling over with dosh without cocking it up. What a tosser! Give me somebody who can grab the moolah from a system that’s actually trying to stop him, get away with it, shag the arses off birds that make Halle Berry look like the back end of a bus and still be polite to secretaries just doing their jobs.

  188. 656
    Boris Carloff says:

    Surely its not beyond the British people to arrange to go to Vince Cable’s Constituency during Canvasing to protest against this traitor, that welcomes Immigrants who could disrupt the safety of our nation with open arms, being re elected to parliament

    • 664
      Little Nicky Clegg, Cockroach-in-chief, Pervs Я Us says:

      I can’t understand how we got all these immigrants elected to parliarment in the first place. ;)

    • 874
      FFS says:

      He is MP for Twickenham, part of the borough of Richmond, one of the few London Boroughs which is still white. Full of Guardian reading posh oldies.

      Their opinions and beliefs will be washed away with the high tide of immigration I suspect.

  189. 657
    They always cry on the first night says:

    The funny thing is he actually thought he was going to get away with it and laughed it off when Guido first brought it up.

  190. 659
    They always cry on the first night says:

    Fooking hell was the whole BBC a PEDOS DEN or wot?

    Rolf Harris a nonce, streuth almighty, is that where the license fee goes, shipping in and coking up little girls and boys for the nonces that work there.

  191. 661
    Syphyllis in lewishlum says:

    Filthy vile labour scumite

    I hope big winston smashes his ring piece to smithereens!

    • 671
      Hugh Jend says:

      His arse hole will now resemble a pair of saloon doors….and will be flapping like back and forth with the very slightest of breezes. On another matter, I do know of another uphill gardener in lewislum…but he may well be dead now.

  192. 662
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    Switch over now to Film4 and watch the classic Airplane. You know it makes sense. And don’t call me Shirley.

  193. 666

    Consider the following:

    Peter Carington, Conservative peer. Resigned as Foreign Secretary immediately upon Argentina invaded the Falklands in 1982.

    Chris Huhne, LibDem ex-Minister and ex-MP, resigned after being found guilty, having evaded the law for years. But he went eventually.

    Denis MacShane, Labour ex-minister and MP. Send down for his crimes today. Has not resigned. We are going to be paying for him and his fat pension whilst he is inside and then he will return to his seat in parliament paid for by us.

    What a fucking cheek this vile man has!

    • 669
      boots on the ground in guildford says:

      if you had stayed and fought for your country instead of scurrying away for personal gain like the coward you are, I might take you more seriously.

    • 675
      Hugh Jend says:

      His cheeks will be turning black and blue by the end of the night….as he is rectal passage is pummelled by much of “A” wing…..

    • 679
      Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

      Peter Carrington and Richard Luce were gentlemen Tories men of honour,I doubt if there are more than a dozen members of this present house in the same league,I remember meeting Peter Carrington in Dean Stanley St at BFBS when I worked for BAT in the same street charming man.

      • 683

        Possibly we have had the same conversation before so please forgive me if I repeat myself.

        I used to work for a very short time in my earlier years for what was then called Gallaher Ltd.

        At the same time, I gave up smoking, whilst my assistant area manager was stumbling along with one lung, the other having been surgically collapsed. It did not seem decent to continue my career with them given my position. :-)

    • 759
      Ippikin says:

      Well spoken.

  194. 668
    The Black Fingernail says:

    Looks like Guido went home at 10:30 … or went to the pub. Anyway, why is Patten called ‘Fatty Pang’ and why is Helen Boaden called ‘hugs’. Cheers.

  195. 674
    Centre Parting says:

    Is Saatchi going to be done by HMRC for not deducting tax and NI from the Grillo sisters’ wages?

    • 705
      nell says:

      I can only say that I think he is the most thuggish, ungentlemanly and charmless man I have ever read about!

      • 739
        Nice little, tight little says:

        You wouldn’t say that if you were bouncing on the end of his 10 incher.

      • 778
        FFS says:

        Based on what you have read from a cocaine addict in the tabloid press?

        I would keep out of it if I were you. They’re not worth it.

  196. 676
    Anonymous says:

    I wonder if the thieving bastard has cried himself to sleep yet.
    I do hope his arse hole hurts.

    Sleep tight Denis, sweet dreams.

    • 680
      Hugh Jend says:

      I do so hope that his eyes are stuck fast, caused by the adhesive effects of lag spunkem

    • 682
      Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

      The reality is that McShame will be quarantined so all our fantasies of him being buggered are just that fantasies.He will have a very cushy time.His most vulnerable time will be on Xmas Day when free association lasts all day.He wont cry either too much hubris and the knowledge that the screws will look after him same happened to all the other thieving bastards fro Aitken onwards.

      • 710
        Hugh Jend says:

        Oh ..it’s no fantasy…. He will be filled with spunk by the morning…. Apparently he likes his porridge with a touch of salt…..

  197. 691
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Tonight I am going to read the Glasgow Herald from January to December 1942. How sda that such men were actively stealing, thieving and profiteering during that time when others were fighting abroad – these ones were profiteering from coupon fraud and all manner of other frauds. One bloke Ellis Kahn was fined £100,000 and sentenced to a month in prison for failing to offer American dollars for sale to the treasury. They of course have always profitted during every war … anyway I got some reading to do yeu know …

    • 693
      Blowing Whistles says:

      p.s. Another paper at that time reported that … Cowans, Robin, Cohen and Friendlander were fiend £400 “for treble cloth dealing,” another coupons fraud racket…

    • 715
      Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

      Yes a great site,I was on the other day looking at some of the page 1s during ww2,the kias are heartbreaking young men who gave there lives to save us,compare that to the thieving scum that is McShame.

  198. 692
    Anonymous says:

    The thieving, lying bastard should have got at least 18 months. He is scum, scum, scum. But totally predictable – he is a member of the Labour Party.

    • 743
      Raw says:

      So, you think the judge was biased in favour of the Labour Party. Any particular reason?

      • 834
        IMHO says:

        Why did he need to ponder over the weekend? To get his instructions from the Lodge? Or his common purpose handlers?

        Sweeney should be named and shamed as a complete wigged w*nker for being so fuckin naive.

  199. 699
    rich9876 says:

    they’ll let the prick out after 3 weeks, but it’s still good news

  200. 702
    nell says:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/penguinbooks

    I know we are cynics and disbelievers for most of the year, especially when it comes to politicians and politics and folks employed in public services and rightly so.

    But just for a couple of days let’s suspend our cynicism and enjoy !!

    Happy Christmas everybody!!

    • 711
      Jingle bells says:

      Answer to that Nell is never give up, carry the fight even over Christmas, the politicians and uncivil service will still carry on being liars and corruption will still carry on.

      Merry Christmas to you.

  201. 704
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    Fucking hell! I thought you lot were just joking about Macshame and Pryce being together! I then googled it and discovered it’s true. Yuck! There’s no amount of mind bleach that can fully eliminate the horrific image of those two bumping uglies.

    • 904
      bergen says:

      Pryce must have joined a dating site for birds attracted to dishonest politicians. Otherwise the odds are astronomical.

  202. 706
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    I do hope Denis gets the Ali Dizaei treatment. You remember, that sleazy crooked wide boy Iranian c-unt copper who threw his weight about, pulled the race card when he got investigated for corruption, got sent down and within days of arriving in prison was beaten up and had a bucket of shit thrown over his head.

  203. 707
    The BBC + Sky Must Correct Tom Harris if they are going to quote him says:

    WILL THE BBC AND SKY NEWS CORRECT TOM HARRIS MP?

    MacShane pleaded guilty at the last possible second and NOT at the first opportunity.

    He pleaded guilty because he knew the evidence against him was overwhelming and all legal argument had failed. By pleading guilty the Judge has to sentence him to a reduced tariff.

    If he had pleaded guilty at the first opportunity then that would have been years ago and would have saved the taxpayer a fortune in legal costs.

    • 709
      nell says:

      Are you saying the media ie beeb and sky should tell the truth? ++++Laugh++++

      That’s a bit naive!!

  204. 708
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    With all the Labour MPs who’ve been in prison, I suppose you could say they really are conviction politicians.

  205. 712
    MacShane inside says:

    Aghhhhh……it hurts.

  206. 713
    A couple of W@****s paw over the mucky mags. says:
  207. 714
    Anonymous says:

    A UK soldier from the Royal Engineers has been killed in Afghanistan, the Ministry of Defence has said.
    He died on Monday after coming under enemy fire while on operations east of Kabul.
    Meanwhile the likes of M & S suck up to these stinking parasites .
    Remove all muslims now…………

    • 717
      Mission? Accomplished. Cameron says:

      Can’t really blame them for attacking soldiers occupying their land. We would do the same.

      The blame lies squarely on the politicians who sent them there.

      • 725
        The Labour Party says:

        Our troops will return from Afghanistan without having to fire a shot.

        • 741
          Dave - once a wanker, always a wanker - Cameron says:

          Mission accomplished.

          • PM David Cameron, and ex-PMs Blair and Brown, who got is into the mess says:

            I’ll never forget his name, unless someone asks me, then I won’t have a fucking clue.

      • 749
        Blowing Whistles says:

        The beeb – mentioned (they let it out Hah!) that Kalishnikov when asked if he slept well at night about his invetion replied – that he did and that he blamed the politicians for the rest of it.

    • 794
      Martin Sorrell says:

      British fighters fighting shlomo’s wars!

  208. 720
    John Prescott says:

    Sorry about all the wind the country’s been experiencing today. I had two chicken vindaloos and a lamb dupiaza last night.

  209. 722
    OntehRob Roma. says:

    We stey in MacShane empty house and look after it. We soon com. :-)

  210. 724
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    Mikhail Kalashnikov, inventor of the AK-47, has died, aged 94. His funeral will have a 40 round salute.

  211. 729
    Anon. says:

    This is a bit sad. :-(

    photo/1

  212. 730

    User-agent: order-order.com
    Disallow:

    User-agent: *
    Disallow: /

    User-agent: HMRC
    Disallow: /

    There. Dave cannot access order-order any more and HMRC cannot access us.

    • 753
      Podiceps says:

      But you have to turn this into a file called robots,txt and put it in the root directory of your web site. And, judging by our esteemed host’s proficiency with the modbot’s word list, that ain’t gonna happen no way, no siree.

  213. 742
    What the Dickens? says:
  214. 744
    Watch And See says:

    He’ll come out of jail, write a book and pretend to be a know it all on the subject and campaign for prison reform.

    These vipers are predictable in their hunt for the next opportunity that presents itself to make a few bob and raise their profile on.

    • 747
      D Wing says:

      He could look himselff in the mirror, realise he is a total waste of space and be found dead in his cell the next morning.

    • 751
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Did someone say Bob – and Bob Maxwell – screwed the British Public for decades as well as his workers’ Pension funds.

      • 760
        Londoner says:

        You’d have thought that a guy called Bob would have been a better swimmer

      • 796
        JadedJean says:

        Bob was J’ewish…remember that.

        Perhaps it has something to do with their genes?

        • 802
          John Bellingham says:

          Just a thought. The KGB was actively recruiting in the 1960s and 1970s. A major target was East European emigres and their families. Who paid for MacShane’s private education that conveyed him through to Merton? Then a job with the BBC, a change of name, infiltration into Polish Solidarity and a political career. Just a thought.

          • FFS says:

            See my comment 912. It looks like there was all sorts of dodginess about his father’s background that Denis MacShane is trying to cover up. I think there is something in what you have said. Looks like his dad was recruited by the communists as early as 1944 and sent on a mission to the UK.

  215. 751
    green ink et multi als says:

    Seasonals to you Sc … healthy happy and even perhaps slightly more prosperous 2014.

  216. 755
    There's no need for a BBC says:

    Well impressed with ITV news. Not only did they quote the rainfall in inches, they gave MacShane a good shafting with no mention of Tom Harris.

  217. 764
    Voter says:

    There are plenty more who should be prosecuted.

  218. 769
    I've always wondered says:

    If Penal Reform was an operation to straighten a bent penis.

  219. 772
    Mummy says:

    Night, night, Dennis. Not long to go now.

  220. 774
    Mummy says:

    What do politicians do between photo ops?

    • 783
      OUT DAVE OUT DAVE OUT DAVE OUT says:

      Destroy the U.K.’s economy and let thousands of fucking immigrants into the country.

      Stinking LibLabconner t(u)rds

  221. 775
    Bell Marsh says:

    Is it known which prison Denis is staying at over Christmas?

  222. 777
    Bog Roll alert says:
  223. 782
    Another Dead Squaddie in Krapistan says:

    Thank you St.Tone and Dave. I’ve just been killed for no fucking purpose whatsoever, two days before Christmas.

    Thanks a lot you bastard politicians.

  224. 785
    He will never be PM as long as his arse points down says:
  225. 787
    Denis MacShameless says:
    • 804
      Kopshite says:

      Yep, and what happened in the 1600′s … just a little thing called the English Civil War.

      • 868
        Oliver Cromwell says:

        “you have been sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of god, go!.”

        Addressing the rump Parliament. April 1653.

        • 886
          A lesson from history says:

          AND used to good effect by Leo Amery in the Norway debate in 1940 that got rid of Chamberlain

    • 894
      M­a­q­bo­ul says:

      Not sure I agree. If MacShame is a senior politician then I’m a raghead.

    • 920
      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      Could Michael Crick tell us how many journalists have gone to jail.

  226. 791
    Gordon says:

    British prisons for British MPs.

    It is the right thing to do.

  227. 793
    Incapable Vince, deputy Chief Cockroach says:
  228. 799
    FFS says:

    Can anybody tell me how Dennis MacShane managed to get to a top public school? Doesn’t look like his parents had any money.

  229. 805
    DAVID CHATER says:

    Wormwood Scrubs , we’re all in it together

  230. 807
    less is more says:

    I am reporting that I am very concerned should we ever have to go to war with anybody because half of the fuckers are already here. I ask ? what can be done
    ?
    unless somebody sorts out the country and the judiciary and wotnot then I might well have to join UKIP. brrrrrrrr oh that feels better

    • 811
      albacore says:

      Uh-oh – looks like someone needs re-education
      Ain’t we being enriched by this immigration?
      It’s filled Parliament with the greatest elation
      Well, either that or terminal constipation

  231. 812
    M­a­q­bo­ul says:

    Is it just me or are totalitarian regimes not nearly as bad as they used to be? I confess I know little of life in North Korea but seeing Mikhail Khodorkovsky emerge after 10 years hard labour in a gulag I was struck by just how well he looked. Fit, well fed and, although his teeth could have done with a little flossing, he appeared to have retained all of them and I did not detect any prison tattoos. Even his “demob suit” was rather slick.

    C’mon Putin ol’ fruit … Stalin will be turning in his mausoleum if this is how you turn them out. It should be a brutal Siberian penal colony these enemies of the revolution are sent to, not fucking Butlins.

    • 820

      In the world around the times of the world wars, suppression could be done by physical means as the routes of dissemination available today simply were not there.

      Now, the situation is in a way more sinister. The point you make will mask the misuse of absolute power that a Russian president, or his oligarchic circle, has over citizen’s lives to lock them up with the appearance of justice being observed, the adequate treatment of the prisoner whilst in custody in a physical sense but with the underlying rationale owing everything to capriciousness rather than due process. I realise as I write these words that our own due process has been found falling far short of the ideal in recent decades.

      Putin should not be in power now but he has been using his position very cleverly to make Russian government appear better than it is in comparison with the west. Sometimes he has actually been right, words which I could never have written before.

      Notwithstanding all the above, in the USA, it does not matter if a president is brilliant, he has to go after two fixed terms. Rightly so, even if the next one is a worse president (Franklin D Roosevelt being the only exception to the rule.)

      So maybe the answer is that we now expect not to see emaciated people in prisons in any civilised country. The sight of them is too obvious a sign of state misuse of power and cannot be hidden without bumping them off, which is itself going to arouse suspicion. The misuse of politico-legal process is a much murkier problem. It may be many decades or even centuries before that can be satisfactorily be addressed.

      Look at how much corruption exists today in the Land of the Free.

      • 837
        Mother Nature's Political System says:

        A this faux equality and sham democracy stuff is, and always was, complete bollux.

        The biggest, greediest and strongest always win. Evolution works.

        It each just helpful if the weak ones believe otherwise while they are crushed, the stupid innocent plebs.

      • 848
        Lifer says:

        Not turkey again

      • 862
        Sad but True says:

        I have been to Russia many times and I have to say Putin does a reasonably good job in difficult circumstances.

        Russia is an amoral hell-hole. I have a Russian friend, an atheist, that told me “I don’t believe in God but I do believe that the only thing that can save Russians from themselves is a good strong dose of radical Christianity”.

        The police are entirely corrupt, organised crime is rife, disorganised crime is rife, they have massive problems with illegal immigration from the ‘stans, nobody gives a fuck when an anbulance is trying to get to an emergency, every other hotel is basically a brothel with rooms you can rent by the hour. It really is shite.

        The Russians tried a liberal president and they got Yeltsin. He really was a fuck-up. He totally caved in to the criminals and handed them the ownership of Russia’s state owned companies for free. Russia doesn’t need another Yeltsin. It needs Putin right now and most Russians know that. They don’t like the fact they need Putin any more than we do, but they know they need him. He has shown quite a lot of restraint given the power he has. He’s certainly no saint but I have some respect for the guy, I think he’s doing his best and he means to do well for the Russian people. He certainly ain’t no cummunist. The West could do better to hold out a hand to him rather than treating him and his country as if they were still the USSR.

        • 879
          Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

          Da!

        • 884
          less is more says:

          If I heard that those wells on the eastern coast can provide gas for the entire globe for several hundred years then I would like Putin too.

        • 892
          M­a­q­bo­ul says:

          The classic case of the fascist strong man picking up the pieces of a collapsed socialist structure.

        • 910

          I would not disagree with your assessment here.

          Are we not also degenerating into just another amoral hell-hole as well?

          • FFS says:

            Yep, and for much the same reasons.

            It would not surprise me if we find ourselves with our very own Putin in the fullness of time. The momentum is heading that way, the old red guard are dying off leaving a power vacuum where Marxism used to be.

            If the problems bequeathed to us by 70 odd years of Trotkskyite and Gramsican infiltration at the behest of the KGB cannot be resolved by the ballot box I think we will very likely find someone seizing power in my lifetime and sorting much of it out by force of arms.

    • 821
      A Prawn Sandwich says:

      All those people wandering in and out of those Foodbanks do not look skin and bone either!

      And this all happens under our noses during a Conservative administration.

      • 842
        Joe Public II says:

        It is not a Conservative administration. It is a LibLabConner Government of weak, gay loving fraudsters and thieves.

        • 891
          FFS says:

          It is a Conservative administration. We have returned to the era of consensus politics after a brief interval of Thatcherism.

          The post-war era of consensus politics means “it doesn’t matter who you have voted for since 1945, you get Clement Atlee’s politics”.

        • 956
          Labour steal your money says:

          Thieves are on the labour benches don’t you watch the news? ( other than BBC news of course)

      • 844
        M­a­q­bo­ul says:

        It is an absolute disgrace that in the 21st Century people have to go to food banks.

        Why cannot this free food be delivered by the local authorities, right up to the doors of their free housing so that the Poor do not have to leave the warmth (paid for by the taxpayer) of their living rooms or to miss a single episode of TOWIE ? In this day and age I ask you! Making them come in person to the food banks makes them look like beggars and freeloaders.

        • 913
          Malcolm Muggeridge says:

          Cameron though is the one who insisted upon brokering this shambles.

          A Cabinet minister resigning in disgrace within days, another serving time in jail after self righteous protestations of innocence, the strange tale of yet another with a friend called Adam resigning without any real reason to do so over some very inoffensive business cards.

          I could go on and on………………

  232. 813
    Mc shames arse says:

    Can I have a rest now lads?….

  233. 814
    bill says:

    i think we can definitely say we are one of the most bent countries in the world.

    the banks,the auditors,the benefits scammed,the police setting people up,the papers,the mp’s.

    completely mental.

    • 945
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Ah Auditors – now it is 2013 and for 19 years the EU’s accounts have not been signed off. So that means to within a year or so the last time the EU accounts would have been signed off would be 1994.

      I stand to be corrected here by the good data crunchers and stats men – so who last signed off the accounts was it the Arthur Anderson club or another of the big 4 out of the shitty of London … because all roads lead to the centre of the worlds money laundering market – where ‘Corporate Governance’ is a fucking myth?

  234. 816
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    Good Morning Faggots !

    • 829
      Justin and Tarquin (soon to be Mr.& Mrs.) says:

      Thanks P.M. You are our wettest dream come true.

      • 853
        Tatchell's Gay Army says:

        He doesn’t get it does he? Gay people just vote Labour and then make up reasons why. It doesn’t matter how gay-friendly the Tories become, we’ll never vote Tory.

        It’s the same with the Blacks and Asians. They vote Labour. They simply will never vote Tory. No matter what the Tories do. The Tories are always going to be the party of white people.

        • 890
          M­a­q­bo­ul says:

          Don’t think that’s true. I’ve met many Tory gays and it is amazing how many are quite rabidly right wing. It might have something to do with the fact that most work, they don’t have kids and hate to see taxes been squandered on the legions of chav bastards.

        • 924
          Jack Ketch says:

          Robert Mugabe said:–

          “I understand they [the Labour party] have gays amongst them but that’s their own affair. What we do not want and desire is for them to foist their own inhuman tendencies on us…

          It is our criticism of homosexuality here at home that has offended them. I had a meeting with them that lasted two hours – I thought it a very friendly meeting. The following morning he [Foreign Office Minister Peter Hain] had his Mr Tatchell ambush me outside the hotel. I felt I was assaulted but he just managed to put his hand here on this arm.

          I don’t want to bring [Tony] Blair into this but I know Peter Hain is reputed to be gay and to be the wife of Tatchell, that’s what the papers say. And so if the following morning the husband ambushed me and the previous night I had had discussions with the wife, the conclusion I come to is that the two had discussed it.

          (Peter Hain dismissed this as “the kind of nonsense that unfortunately that only President Mugabe in his state and his attitude to life could utter or remotely believe”.)”

  235. 818
    Ric Holden CCHQ says:

    Kickboxer Clegg reveals he’s asked for a pair of yellow boxing gloves for Xmas from Miriam

    http://www.itv.com/news/2013-12-24/pulling-no-punches-nick-clegg-the-kick-boxer-wants-yellow-gloves-for-christmas/

    LMAO

    • 823
      albacore says:

      No doubt he’s also got yellow knickers, too
      So, when he’s telling Cameron what to do
      And pissing himself laughing when Dave obeys
      He might be wet but the stains don’t show for days

  236. 824
    retardEd Miliband says:

    Happy birthday to me!

    Today I am 44! And by cointhidenth, 44 ith altho my IQ!

  237. 828
    A pint of Bitter Shandy says:

    Alan Turing was a homosexual who was convicted of committing a homosexual act when the law banned such things.

    Now donkeys years later along comes David Cameron and gives him a posthumous pardon.

    Over the last three years we have had to put up with some nonsense but this is really hitting new depths of stupidity.

    People are concerned about living standards and economic recovery and Cameron wastes his time and our money and energy on this futile crap.

    • 838
      Dimmy Dave is the worst prime minister ever ! says:

      He’s also going to resurrect his Big Society bollocks.

      That’s where “the people” take control from the government, although Dimmy Dave still plans to ram HS2 and unlimited Romanian down our throats against overwhelming public opposition.

      • 855
        Tatchell's Gay Army says:

        Even I don’t want an unlimited Romanian rammed down my throat.

        • 902
          Chorizos are best says:

          Vaz and Reckless say they are going to count the Roumanian immigrants coming off the planes over the New Year.

          This is getting sadder and sadder by the day.

      • 885
        Cameron is merely a figure gead(and not a VERY good one either) says:

        You have made the crucial mistake of actually thinking that Cameron is in charge of both Downing Street and the Coalition when everyone knows its Clegg(and LibDems) that calls the shots. The Tory Party are stupid enough to still think that THEY are in charge

        • 899
          FFS says:

          Rubbish. Cameron is a Heathite. We are back to the days of the post-war consensus. Throught it’s post-war history the Tory Party has mostly been as you see it today.

          Some of us grew up during the Thatcher era and came to the conclusion that she exemplified Tory beliefs, but she did not. She was a radical that got elected because the country was in such a mess that the Tory party decided to hold their noses and give her a shot at cleaning it up.

          • Chorizos are best says:

            David Cameron could just tell Clegg to “do one” and call an Election now and win a Landslide majority this time with his superior policies and political vision.

    • 839
      Squeaker Bercow says:

      Stan posthumously pardoned for getting Olly into several fine messes.

      • 954
        Blowing Whistles says:

        ‘Edward Heath’s ass’ was ‘owned’ – it was owned by those who decided to ‘get’ him into some compromised positions [entrap 'n blackmail]. Thus he was ‘Controlled’ and he did as his controllers ‘told him’.

        Now your not likely to have any msm investigative rag out the real truth are you and why … well because aren’t they fucking owned as well?

  238. 833
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    I believe my tenure as Prime Minister is on life support.

    • 841
      Dimmy Dave is the worst prime minister ever ! says:

      I believe you are right.

      • 907
        Alex Douglas Home says:

        I will second that

      • 923
        BIG BOOBS DDDD ... says:

        Schrödinger’s cat says:
        December 9, 2013 at 10:40 am
        They Just Don’t Get It?

        But they do get it and we pay for it.

        they stub.
        they vasan
        they barfi
        they no selfie.
        they know selfie.
        they know how to sell for a fee.

        we pay when we cum.
        twing. twing.

        they do get it and we get to pay for it.
        they do get it and we get it too.
        we get to pay for it, and we get paid too.

        hey okikoki.
        hey llllllllllllll.
        oi horse, get the cough mixture out. it is scissortime. caesar time. it is seize the moment time. it is seize the mo time. mo is olympian, rock is solid.

        so solid or liquid.
        what is the diet of the thrusting teenager.
        age 13. puu burr tee.

        when the belly dances, it needs solids.
        a stable belly needs a liquid diet.

        turkey turkey turkey turkey
        TTTTiskey.

        that’s “WTF” sor’ed.

        • 929
          WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ? says:

          What Drugs exactly cause these strange inane rants ?

          • FFS says:

            Unfortunately what we have here is a radical left-winger who engaged with the commenters on this blog once too often.

            Confronted with too much information that contradicted the mythology with which he had been raised since birth, he finally succumbed to insanity.

            Although commited to a lunatic asylum, his carers decided that it was best to allow him to continue to have an outlet for his peculiar rantings, so they provided him with a laptop and connection to the net.

            Many of the posters here are familiar with this man’s story and sympathise with him. After all, it is not his fault he was the victim of a constant barrage of lies from childhood, a form of political child abuse. Most have chosen to simply ignore him.

    • 845
      Joe Public II says:

      FFS Sam, let them pull his plug out now.

      • 847
        Dimmy Dave is the worst prime minister ever ! says:

        And shove a pillow over his curiously puffy face, just to be on the safe side.

    • 849
      Blinky's master says:

      It will soon be flat-lining.

  239. 835

    Alan Turing gets his royal pardon

    Another empty gesture which costs nothing and means less. We all know he was a brilliant mathematician who was very badly treated by the state.

    It is rather like Tony Blair apologising for the potato famine in Ireland.

    Mark my words, we shall be apologising for the Crusades before long.

    And where are the Danes when it comes to apologising for their raids on us in the 9th century?

    • 843
      Joe Public II says:

      And lots of lovely medals for all our dead squaddies, killed for the pointless macho posing by Tone and Dave.

      • 880
        Chilcot ! Chilcot ! Chilcot ! says:

        In fairness to Cameron HE is not the MAIN culprit HE was merely handed the whole sorry mess and had to manage to withdraw our forces as speedily and as tidily as possible and he could not concede that the whole exercise had been pointless and the lives wasted for nothing. The MAIN culprit who is long overdue to face responsibility for both Iraq and Afghanistan is solely Blair …nobody else…..that is why he is trying to stop Chilcot publishing as he knows that that will finally destroy what little reputation he has left with the British public

    • 846
      Dimmy Dave is the worst prime minister ever ! says:

      I’m still waiting for the Italians to apologise for their invasion back in 46AD or whenever it was. How they treated that Boudicca was disgusting.

      I expect Dimmy Dave to demand an apology immediately.

    • 852
      Tatchell's Gay Army says:

      We know Turing is too dead to give a fuck, but we intend to make this into yet another cause celebre so we can continue to politicise our sexuality.

      And no, I have no idea why we feel the need to drag our sexual pecadillos into the public domain and force everyone else to celebrate them when when everybody else prefers to keep their kinks very private.

      • 895
        John Bellingham says:

        I always find it peculiar that this movement to claim, nay, demand dignity for homosexuals appears to hinge on their being able to parade in the streets wearing micro-hot pants and make-up or as panto dames in “gay pride” marches. While the constant professing of their sexuality by certain MPs and TV personalities is no more than an extension of the old Charles Hawtry/Kenneth Williams/John Tilman camp acts–the new trend of coarse, detailed descriptions of their sex acts and fantasies on the public broadcaster provides them with all the dignity of a turd in the Thames.
        Mr Tachell and his buddies should be advised that the Great Invention was the Turing Test–not the Turning Test.

    • 864
      Feck a pope for Krismas says:

      I am waiting for the pope to apologise to England for:

      a) Backing the Norman invasion and hence the destruction of Anglo-Saxon England which to this day leaves their descendants with 90% of land ownership

      b) Backing the Spanish Armada, which even came equipped with special whips with which to torture the women of England

      and while he’s at it he could apologise to the natives of South America who were butchered and enslaved

    • 869
      E.M.Forster says:

      So what? You cannot re-write history, although Blair and Cameron both try to do so by “apologising” for what are considered to be the sins of the past. However clever the chap was, it makes no difference. At the time being a practising homosexual risked criminal sanction. Life happens. Get over it. Turing certainly did. I believe an apology has already been tendered for the crusades, but curiously none by the Religion of Peace for its invasion of North Africa, the Balkans, and the Iberian Peninsula.

      • 876
        Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

        Richard Couer De Lion repeats the immortal words of Brenda Lee Im Sorry,how about that Cat?

      • 896
        M­a­q­bo­ul says:

        He broke the law and was justly convicted. Basically the Royal Pardon is saying that the law was a wrong ‘un not the culprit.

    • 957
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Tatchell is a militant politicised homo – who has been abusing his charity status to attach he and his stonewalling bumff to any political cause for some years. The Charity Commission do nothing about him nor the abuse of charity status by Common Purpose – but hey isn’t that easily explained when the Charity Commission itself has been taken over (infested) with lefty marxist criminals as well?

      ‘You can trust the Communists to be Communists” – page 56 to 65 – more pertinent now than ever before.

    • 964
      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      SC ” badly treated “.
      The poor bloke was chemically castrated. Amazing that those in power turned a blind eye while Turing basically saved thousands of lives, then did the dirty on him. It proves that we had bastards at the top then, and still do now.

      • 1025
        FFS says:

        He wasn’t “chemically castrated”. He was given hormones to reduce his sex urges for 12 months. He opted for this rather than gaol. In the event he only submitted to half the treatment.

        You have fallen vicitm of the emotive use of words by the gay lobby to big-up the case into a cause celebre. It is not justified by the facts.

        • 1056
          i don't n eed no doctor says:

          If the gay lobby is the BBC News, then yes I am a victim. Maybe you have a point, BBC – Gay Lobby, well I’ll be buggered.

  240. 840
    Bread and water says:

    Very popular thread this. Shows how much MacShane is hated.

    • 958
      Anonymous says:

      Nah gee doh still pissed as a fart and festering in his scratcher. McShame still hated though you are correct there.

  241. 850
    Lifer says:

    Turkey every fukkin Christmas.

  242. 851
    Lifer says:

    In the good old days, there was no law and no crime.

  243. 854
    Guardian says:

    MP Mike Hancock ‘made unwelcome sexual approaches’, lawyer concludes
    Nigel Pascoe QC’s report into allegations against Portsmouth South MP was hidden from public view until now

  244. 857
    Tango Tango says:
    • 861
      MacShame says:

      Immigrant doesn’t like the English
      Quelle surprise

    • 908
      Jack Ketch says:

      The Kenyan born Mr Hain who spent a few years in South Africa prior to 1966, but has been dining out on it ever since, was never banged up for his vicious and violent acts against British and other sportsmen and sports fans in the 1970s. His solidarity with the UAF, one of whose leading spokesmen was the murderer of Drummer Lee Rigby merely confirms what most people already know about this piece of opportunist excrement.

    • 937
      Casual Observer 5 says:

      The irony is that he said the opposite of Mandela when he was banged up – and Mandela had killed people.

      Fuck off Hain.

      • 975
        Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

        Hain represents everything I despise in politics vain,self indulgent and pmpous he is also a cnut of the first order.

    • 994
      Robin Banks says:

      Criminals belong in jail.

    • 1034
      Answer That says:
      • 1073
        Hateful despicable scumbag says:

        Peter Hain, who released Shankill bomber Sean Kelly from prison. Kelly murdered 9 innocent Protestant men, women and children.
        Hain is a piece of shit

  245. 859
    Err says:

    £18,000 bonus for bosses behind £100m BBC IT fiasco: Managers were given ‘performance related’ benefits ahead of scheme’s launch

    Rather like getting an 11% rise for doing FA.

  246. 863
    Err says:

    The North Korean leader Kim Jong Un was “very drunk” when he ordered the execution of two aides close to his uncle, who was also purged and executed soon afterwards, according to Japanese newspaper reports.

    Thank god the ‘ mother of parliaments’ doesn’t make decisions while in a similar state

  247. 866
  248. 867
    Denis Macshame says:

    My ring’s on fire.

  249. 871
    MIKE OXHARD says:

    Jim Divine got 16 months for falsifying receipts for £3000
    But McShameless only gets 6 months for falsifying receipts for £13,000

    something very wrong with the justice system

  250. 872
    MIKE OXHARD says:

    Sky news
    There is a lot of flood water on the M25 juc 10 around Cobham ,
    but traffic is flowing nicely

  251. 881
    Love it ! says:

    Google search results for Denis MacShane currently feature that picture of the bastard behind bars.

  252. 893
    Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    Re. the Turing pardon will the State also pardon the other 50000 convicted of similair crimes such as Gielgud?,it is a completely pointless gesture.

    • 900
      IMHO says:

      Yes, the reason for this sudden decision really is an enigma…

      • 909
        unemployed and skint in Birtley Colliery says:

        The lads down the Job Centre have not been talking about anything else all morning.

        • 914
          One-term Dave (dragging the Tories to their grave) says:

          Excellent! We must all celebrate the rich homosexual history of our nation!

          Now don’t you lads worry about the dole. My spiffing plan to borrow £50billion and splurge it on the HS2 railway that no one (other than me) wants will create tens of thousands of jobs for all the Romanians I’m going to let into the UK in a week’s time.

          So that’s your unemployment problem sorted, what what!

          Toodle pip!

      • 911
        HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

        Not an enema

        • 921
          A Ship's Lawyer says:

          The point is that Turing knew full well at the time he indulged in that sexual act that he was breaking the law.

          He was charged and found guilty and was sentenced according to the law.

          There is nothing whatsoever pardonable about that.

          The man knew at the time he was acting outside the law and knowingly followed the path that he did.

          it is hardly Dreyfus mark two.

  253. 903
    Psyche the Dog says:

    Well you lot, I wish you all a Happy Christmas and New Year, not too much booze now. There are no buses where I live on Christmas Day and Boxing Day so I have to watch what I drink before I drive on the other hand you never know what the other guy has been drinking the night before, best not to bother driving.

  254. 917
    Elsie Hargreaves 5 Railway Terrace Dewsbury says:

    At least next year thanks to Mr Cameron and his filters that Silas will not be able to masturbate herself on our televisions.

    Things are not all bad.

  255. 918
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    When is theft not theft? Easy, when you are an MP.

  256. 922
    FFS says:

    @ John Bellingham

    Oh yes, thanks for your remark. It’s really coming together now:-

    “In 1939, a Polish army officer named Jan Matyjaszek was shot and wounded fighting the Nazis. He returned to his village. As the war drew to an end, and the Red Army approached, he plunged his hands into buckets of soil. This was because it had become known that, if you had cracked and dirty hands, you would be identified as a worker and be allowed to survive, while those with the smooth hands of the officer class were shot. Matyjaszek passed the test, and left Poland shortly afterwards, travelling via Romania and France to Scotland. There he met and married a young girl from Donegal named Isobel MacShane, who gave birth in 1948 to a son they named Josef Denis. ”

    So it seems Matyjaszek was NOT part of the Polish free army that fought alongside the British. He was captured by the Red Army. Well the Red Army invaded Poland in 1939 and again in 1944. Interestingly it seems MacShane’s Wikipedia entry HAS BEEN EDITED to remove the reference to the Red Army and thus leave the impression that his father was with the Polish free army based in Britain.

    According to MacShane his family had no money at all. A caravan holiday was considered a luxury. How the hell did they afford to send him to St Benedicts independent school? It currently costs £5000 per TERM to go there. They don’t appear to have had anything like that kind of money.

    I’m guessing you are right John, that Jan Matyjaszek was a Communist collaborator that was sent to the UK on a mission. No reason can be found for why he came here after the war, and MacShane is deliberately trying to cover it up. The perhaps you are right that the KGB paid for Denis MacShane to go to a top public school in order to enter society at the highest level

    Certainly looks like there is a story there to be dug up by the Daily Mail et al. Something really stinks here.

    • 932
      tn02 says:

      Good research.

    • 940
      Casual Observer 5 says:

      So Macshane could be working double agent.

      He should be shot (or beaten to death in jail…) for treason.

    • 962
      JadedJean says:

      Note the similarity to the Miliband story. Also note the J’ewish emigré connection.

      Many J’ewish emigrés from Russia ended up in the East End of London (and New York) very close to the then financial centre of the Western world in the arly 1900′s. Also note where the suffragette movement largely eminated from.

      Now think of all the lergesse and fraud that has eminated from the City of London and New York.

      Watch the film “Inside Job” and see what ethnic tribe features very strongly in that documentary film (it even won an Oscar – what irony or should that be chutzpah?)

      Hayek’s another one who poisoned the LSE.

    • 966
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Madoff – was but the tip of the iceberg of ‘financial scams’ that must go bust. Compare his little scam to that of the Rothies world wide scam.

      There are no fucking debts – they are created out of usury to keep states and people oppressed – while they think that they can rule the world for a thousand years and more. Their Game of usury is over.

      • 978
        Casual Observer 5 says:

        That scam can be addressed by returning to something similar to the Gold Standard, and re-establishing sensible banking practices with respect lending.

        The problem in both of these situations is that financial reality for many has become so badly distorted that the reversion to mean will likely spark civil unrest as many will perceive this return as an unjustified loss.

        Then you have the Stockholm situation to consider: People who have been hijacked into the control system and feel they have debts to honor, have indeed been conditioned such that the creditor ranks highest in their daily concerns – even above friends and family.

        This last issue is the hardest to address: The rent seeking problem could be fixed very quickly if people just stopped paying certain debts and redirected capital elsewhere. That will likely not happen as the masses simply do not have a clue.

      • 980
        Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

        Oi vey Oi Vey

      • 985
        M­a­q­bo­ul says:

        If the Je­ws are masters of the universe on your special world why is Israel a patch of gravel in the middle of nowhere surrounded by angry Arabs who have all the oil. Why isn’t Israel in the South of France or Switzerland or Hawaii? Y’know, somewhere really nice and safe.

        • 1008
          FFS says:

          They are conveniently forgetting that Dennis MacShane’s mother was Catholic and he went to a Catholic public school.

          I notice that if you post a comment revealing a public figure’s connection with Marxism these two jokers try and hijack the thread and bring up some tenuous connection to Judaism. Given the radical left’s tendency to support anti-semitism I presume they feel they are killing two birds with one stone.

        • 1037
          Casual Observer 5 says:

          ‘Why isn’t Israel in the South of France or Switzerland or Hawaii?’

          See World War II and the actions of the NSDAP / G’erman armed forces.

        • 1050
          OnBenefits says:

          Have a look on the map for ‘Jerusalem’

          Apparently they’re quite fond of it.

  257. 927
    MIKE OXHARD says:

    Alan Turning a well respected and brilliant man for having a homosexual relationship in 1952 and was chemically castrated and jailed and his career ruined for which he took his own life
    Now in the “naughties” Bum sex is the new hetro sex and it is promoted by all our politicians , who now lower the age of consent to bring even younger fresh meat into the market place and even allow and positively encourage same sex marriage

    Am i missing the point ?

    • 933

      I hope you are missing the point, sir, and continue so to do!

      The bodily location you mention in relation to misguided recreational procreation is a one-way street and transgressors should receive a ticket. :-)

      BTW. Are we doing anything about the fair Emily this year? You can have the head end…

      • 950
        Casual Observer 5 says:

        What is confusing on this is the position of the UK state and the worthless broadcaster known as the BBC.

        They seem to be directing pro-Gay shite at Russ!a – perhaps as a distraction from the attempted EU land grab of ex Russ!an satellite states – and to annoy Put!n – but to be honest Russ!a has this particular argument right and the arguments put forward by the unnatural mongs who are apparently speaking for us (but who are not) is a losing one from the outset.

        Something very deeply wrong.

        The Turing thing is just an empty gesture to try and lend some sort of credibility to this broader failed argument.

        He did get bad treatment by the state – but then was Turing himself actually loyal ?

        The UK for sure did not profit as greatly as the US from the computer revolution which Turing created virtually single handedly.

        If he had been a real patriot, and not allowed his sexual preferences to cloud that judgement, he perhaps would have received better and less public attention.

        • 970
          premature ejaculator says:

          do schools still have communal baths for cleaning after rugby ?
          the reason I ask is that I remember that time and there was not any interest in any of the class mates private parts but in their character and behaviour.
          same sex people can be naked together without sexual thoughts. It is possible that sexual thoughts towards same sex is an aberration, a disease or some sort of curable insanity and not something to be lauded and promoted.

        • 973

          Firstly let me wish you a Happy Christmas, CO5. I have enjoyed your posts over the last year (I think you came on the scene here at the end of the previous year?) The stats work you have done has been interesting and informative and must have taken some time to prepare, although I am told there are programs to do this stuff now. I find myself in agreement with you on at least 75% of issues which is a high degree of correlation.

          I have said elsewhere on this page that Putin is outgunning the west on a number of issues, notwithstanding there are shockingly severe problems in Russia as Sad but True pointed out (Aha! :-) )

          Do we have any way of ascertaining whether or not Turing was loyal? Given the difference that the code-breaking made to the war effort, I would suggest that it would be rather hard to construct a case to argue he was not. But that is not sufficient reason.

          Sexual behaviour is the most difficult area of human existence to rationalise about. As a society, my opinion is that we tend to get it wrong one way and then the pendulum swings and we do likewise in the opposite direction. The 40s and now are the extreme ends of the swing (Oh dear! There is a poor taste joke lurking in there which I shall resist.) I am inclined to overlook him on that subject but that may simply be to cover my rather different misbehaviour. The hippy days were great fun but could not last…

          • Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

            they lasted for me!

          • Casual Observer 5 says:

            Merry Christmas SC: And thank you for the hat tip.

            Next year will be more interesting stats wise: Looking at the %’ages UKIP are now getting in local elections is changing a lot of things from the beginning of the year.

            I would say on the loyalty issue: Unless access can be got into the real archives, and if there are any records left, then that could be determined. My position is one of inference.

            Perhaps wrong to treat sexual deviance as a criminal matter – but there were many homosexual’s back at that time who did not come under the eye of the state – particularly those in certain high office and in the academic circles.

            Methinks Turing perhaps was sleeping with the wrong people, and making the wrong sounds. Brilliant guy yes – but politically a bit thick.

            The US for sure did not want the computer revolution to take off in the UK as they realized the future potential long ago. At that point the potential was more in terms of military and government application – not commercial.

            One suspects that there must have been something else to do with Turing, or an associate, which is still obscure.

            After all: Why bother going after very publicly a Cambridge mathematician who had contributed immeasurably to the war effort ? The twist of course is a mathematician who specialized in cryptography, and perhaps had a weakness from the point of view of the state – that he was homosexual, with perhaps questionable loyalties, especially in the new power structures which emerged after G’ermany was defeated.

            It would be ironic if he had been a compromised Russ!an target, and his memory now in part is being turned against current Russ!an domestic policies… :-)

          • FFS says:

            From what I have read of the real Turing he was not embarrassed by his homosexuality and it looks like he originally planned to turn his arrest into some sort of campaign.

            His barrister told him he would lose and get 2 years hard labour, so Turing backed off.

            The plod didn’t “go after him” – Turing simply admitted to them he was bumming when he was caught lying in regard to a break in at his house.

            Turing seemed to have some of the characteristics of Asbergers. There seems to be a link between Aspergers and homosexuality. I’m guessing Turing didn’t really understand how broader society would consider his revelation of being gay. He probably didn’t care much about it either.

          • @Sunderland
            Good for you. At our age, we have to take our pleasures when we can.

            @CO5
            Induction is the glory of science and the scandal of philosophy – C D Broad. Also see Karl Popper and his black swans. But this argument will still rage after we all are gone. I understand your point.

            Your formulation: Brilliant guy yes – but politically a bit thick is probably spot on. The beautiful thinking which goes into the Church–Turing thesis and its variations and successors (Kurt Gödel, Hugh Everett’s many-worlds interpretation, David Deutsch – Church-Turing-Deutsch principle and so many others) does not ally itself to the ugly machinations of politics in the slightest.

            I question whether the Americans were quite as perspicacious as you suggest? I need not cite anyone else than their most successful salesman of the time, Thomas J Watson who, if he did not say “I think there is a world market for maybe five computers, probably said something similar on the basis of broadly corroborative statements by others at that time.

            Amusing speculation about the Ruskies. :-)

            @FFS
            I can quite imagine that Turing could not care given that his thinking was an altogether a different level.

        • 996
          Casual Observer 5 says:

          By the way @SC: Am in agreement on nearly all of your posts (I only discount the ones where you are sparring with trolls – but that is not a negative…)

          Making sexual preference a criminal offence (except in the cases where this causes direct harm to people – such as CSA – or goes so far against generally accepted norms or presents a public health risk) is the same kind of wrong as legislating against rac!sm and thought crimes.

          Several different avenues there – but with Turing, because of the field he worked in and the actual position he was in – he did receive fairly harsh treatment. I do not buy into the revisionist gay agenda politics which are trying to cast him as a saint who was persecuted because of his male preference.

          Quentin Crisp – even though he emigrated to the US – was not on the receiving end in quite the same way as Turing. Why Turing never followed Crisp’s lead is also curious.

          • Thank you for that almost too generous addition. I should be embarrassed by it and deny it could be true but, hey!, the Glühwein is good here, vita brevis (in view or the subject matter, I resisted the preceding ars longa, lest misunderstandings arose!) and probably I am too shameless anyway.

            Agree with paras 2 & 3, especially the revisionist part. It is so predictable when they do this. As for Quentin Crisp (leaving out the receiving end :-) , that was clearly deliberate!), he was a one-off and held contrarian to others of his type. Turing probably could not have carried it off anyway.

    • 968
      FFS says:

      There is no real evidence he took his own life – it would appear more likely he was poisoned by accident as a result of inhalation of fumes from electrolysis experiments in his own home.

      He was not chemically castrated. He was supposed to take hormones to reduce his sex urges. He only submitted to half the treatment.

      He was not done for being homosexual. He was done for performing a homosexual act considered to be “gross indecency” which he freely described in a statement to police complete with drawings!

      At that time, for a man to have anal sex with a woman was also illegal.

      The hormone treatment was his barrister’s idea, it was not forced upon him by the court.

      His career was not ruined by the revelations.

      He was not significantly embarrassed by the revelations and his family were OK with it.

      Most of the Turing story is a myth, in the way of such things.

  258. 938
    David Cameron says:

    My big plan to screw over the jobless and the sick and the disabled – well Jesus told me to do it.

    Toodle Pip

    • 941
      Iain Smith says:

      Do you know what, God told me to do that too. That’s what I believe anyway.
      So I can enjoy Christmas in my warm taxpayer-funded mansion knowing that I WILL go to Heaven.

      • 944
        George Osborne says:

        I’m just a fat, sneering cúnt and I worked that out all by myself.

      • 1042
        Jesus says:

        “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Matthew 19:23-26

        You’ve been warned.

  259. 942

    Are we going for the thousand?

    • 981
      MIKE OXHARD says:

      Good morning Sir you are correct “The Tradesmans” is a one way muscle so any returns are alien to it
      Mr Turning was indeed a homosexual which is fine , and he lived in a time when rightly or wrongly it was a prisonable offense so such acts were carried out in private in the hope that they would not get caught , in effect an “underground movement” Which IMHO is where it should have stayed
      Remove the prisonable from it , but keep it away from children and those offended by it
      But as most politicians are that way inclined , homo lesbian or bi , they have messed with the laws to an extent where now hetrosexual people seem to have less rights and it is promoted to the most vulnerable in society , children as “Oh theres nothing wrong with it !”

  260. 943
    UKIP first and last says:

    Alan Turing is a….

    ….Pointless gesture?

    The current coalition regime is one great big pointless gesture, where would Honest Dave be without them? They look good, sound good, can be blared out by the stooge media but they have all the substance of a summer morning mist.

    Its time we showed this pointless regime the door.

    Merry Christmas to one and all and dont forget to….

    ….VOTE UKIP.

  261. 947
    premature ejaculator says:

    one thouthandth

  262. 951
    premature ejaculator says:

    where is the fucking military when you need it ?
    I don’t know if the fucking top brass have noticed but the country is going to hell in a handcart and the so called government is riddled with quislings and 5th columnists. get a fucking grip before we get really pissed off.

    • 972
      Ippikin says:

      We need a ‘benign dictatorship’ for ten years to put right all the stuff that no short-term (we need to get re-elected) parties will tackle.

    • 1058
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      The ‘Top Brass ‘ are part of the problem looking after their miserable careers in a now pathetic armed forces no larger than Itay’s. Look at their cowardly treatment of Sgt .A.

  263. 955
    labour, the crooks party says:

    what a lovely image to have over the xmas period

  264. 965
    Err says:

    Off out to buy 2.204 grams of plain flour.
    If it’s anything like yesterday, another hour in the cash-point queue.

    OR ” thinks ” Where is the nearest food bank?

  265. 974
    Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    Amen to that,there should be a number of requirements before you are allowed to vote,proof of paying tax within the last 5 years,ability to speak the English language with a degree of fluency and being able to show an understanding of the democratic traditions of the UK.

  266. 982
    Anonymous says:

    The problem is this c*nt is still costing the taxpayer money – we’re paying for his (short) stay in the clink.

    • 1043
      FFS says:

      It is worth every penny.

      I’d pay more if it meant he’d stay their longer.

      Long prison stays for crooks are something I am very happy to fund. I think most people are.

  267. 983
    Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    Methinks the Cat should be given the honour of the 1000th post as he is the best blogger on here.

  268. 984
    Sunderland is a Labour ghetto thats why its shyte says:

    Off with the missus to spend Xmas with my daughter in Kilburn N.Yorks,Mass at Ampleforth,a little eggnog and goose for lunch tomorrow.Adieu my fellow bloggers and a merry Xmas to you and yours.

  269. 986
    The Guardian says:

    Henceforth, the official annual celebration will be Ramadan. We’d like to wish all our readers a Merry Ramadan and Happy New Eid.

  270. 988
    Nemesis says:

    Edward Snowden s a fucking traitor not a whistleblower.

  271. 990
    Monica says:

    Gheedough, why do you only post stuff mon-fri 9-5 and not on bank holidays.

    It might be alright for Labour Spads, dolescum, public-surfants and senile old hags like SC, but those of us with work to do only get comment 985 when everyone has stopped reading.

    You need to get out of yer work-to-rule mentality and follow the needs of your customers

  272. 992
    premature ejaculator says:

    in the book “zen in the art of archery” there was a description of the author in front of some monk who was demonstrating archery ( hitting the target without aiming at the target and other bullshit)
    he said, “the master invited me to feel his arm muscles, which I did and there was no tension or straining in any of his muscles” ( so he must have been on some sort of higher plain of acting without acting ) or something like that. I was impressed with that account and then one day I learnt archery and I learnt that it is the back shoulder muscle that does all the pulling and the arm is like a floppy thing for linkage and having discovered that fact I looked back at the story that had impressed me so much and realized that the monk was a charlatan preying on other’s gullability and that realization has helped me when I view the output of any fuckwit spouting religious nonsense.
    I post this in the hope that it might help somebody.

  273. 993
    Denis Macshame says:

    I’ve had great news! I’m being allowed out for the holidays! My cellmate says I’m going to be taken up the Khyber Pass.

  274. 995
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    Is there a prize for the 1000th posting?

  275. 997
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    When one of the most famous J*wish owned businesses with ties to Is*ael changes policy to appease muslims, you know satire’s officially dead. I won’t be shopping at M&S anymore.

    • 1067
      rh7 says:

      The Stolen Landers do it so the thick DM reading w@nkers get outraged about Muslims, haven’t you twigged that yet?

  276. 998
    C.O.Jones says:

    Amazing to see all the endorsements that MacShane is getting from his Labour colleagues.

    They must approve of his actions.

  277. 999
    Burn Labour Burn says:

    I’m 1000.

  278. 1002
    Hannibal from Carthage says:

    Just heard an interview with one of those Christians in CAR mouthing off about wanting all the Muzzies out.

    Cameron has of course been standing four square behind Hollande and his soldiers.

    This is all going to end in death taxes and tears.

    • 1016
      Casual Observer 5 says:

      AQ are wanting to infiltrate / capture in order to secure access to certain resources.

      All muzzies should be rightly considered enemy in those countries at present and be dealt with by machete – Rwanda style – if they do not leave.

      France will likely not be able to repel AQ, and either the US or Russ!a may have to provide some real assistance: US does already have mercs on the ground in some parts of the country, sent in after the French refused to help anyone except their own.

      The primary reason F’rance will fail in its mission is that they will likely kill to many of the local civilians, and public opinion in France is not really up for an expensive military venture in the heart of Afr!ca.

      Yet again – Dave is wrong to engage in a joint military effort with F’rance. The French track record on loyalty and military success should preclude that.

      The UK should perhaps keep its involvement low key, and consider the benefits of placing its own muzzie population under curfew.

      The US could be looking at a Vietnam re-run again if they do nothing to cut the AQ supply lines before they reach this region properly.

  279. 1004
    The Right Reverend Bulpit says:

    Trying to give Communion to people with severe dementia gives rise to logistical and theological problems.

  280. 1006
    LoonWatch says:
    • 1021
      Casual Observer 5 says:

      But what the mong known aptly as Toilets does not get is that people all the time are sentenced and go to jail for acts which involve misappropriating money and then returning it.

      The fraud was committed when the money was taken in the first place. Returning the money is irrelevant from this point of view – but may persuade a judge to be lighter in sentencing as it shows a lesser degree of malice was involved – depending on the circumstances of the case.

      Macshane needs a sentencing review – which perhaps should be first order of business for the CPS when they drag their sorry arses back from an undeserved Christmas break.

      • 1047
        OnBenefits says:

        People who nicked a bottle of water in the riots got more bird than him.
        Was it because they’re xxxxx?

    • 1055
      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      Maguire listen up, MacShane is a thief, get it, a thief.

      • 1060
        Wht doesn't he just STFU? says:

        There is nothing that won’t fix motormouth Macguire better than a brain transplant. Must be one sitting in a jar in some university somewhere.

  281. 1007
    Caligula says:

    Norman Stanley Denis MacShane, you are an habitual expenses cheat who regards the taxpayer with utter contempt and presumably views the rule of law in the same casual manner.

    You have pleaded guilty to the charges brought before this court and it is now my duty to pass sentence. You will go to prison for six months – well three months maximum really.

    We look forward to you finding God and a long held but previously undeclared interest in penal reform. Oh, and good luck with the book.

  282. 1010
    premature ejaculator says:

    the first step towards rebellion was ( for a boy) growing your hair long when it was not permitted, now look what has happened.

  283. 1011
    Cellmate says:

    I’ve got a quelle surprise for Denis’ booty.

  284. 1012
    LoonWatch says:
  285. 1014
    Ah! M says:

    Christnas is costing me a fortune. Whoever invented it needs crucifying.

  286. 1027
    Anonymous says:

    Forget Turing tomorrow we celebrate the birth of one of the greatest humans to have ever lived.

    • 1033
      Marxist Historian says:

      He was gay too.

      See, you Brits can’t have any heroes. We are busy undermining all of them. What do you mean we should provide evidence? Fuck that! Ha ha ha!!!!

  287. 1038
    Ric Holden CCHQ says:

    Prime Minister David Cameron says sorry over legalising same sex marriage.

  288. 1041
    MIKE OXHARD says:

    Scum is for life not just for Christmas , once a scumbag always a scumbag !
    This on the news this morning
    Police want to trace this woman , who walked into the entrance hall of an old peoples care home and stole their Christmas tree

    What a miserable fucker !

  289. 1046
    Eh? says:
  290. 1049
    Yes You Burley says:
  291. 1063
    rid us of these tealeaves says:

    So he’ll be out by February then.

    How about 15 years and he has to serve 10 before they even entertain parole?

    Seriously, the law is a joke

  292. 1066
    Dame Margaret Blair says:

    As you know, duckies, I am tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime, and Denis is a very naughty boy, but please spare a thought this Xmas for Vicky “I’m not a criminal” Pryce.

    The wife and me really feel for her darlings. We went to Harrods today and bought her a dildo to get her through the festive season. Which reminds me – Mandy dear, did you remember the batteries

  293. 1077
    muggins says:

    A delightful Christmas present for all of us. Ten years minimum would have been the icing on the cake.

  294. 1081
    Effed Off says:

    I would belatedly like to say HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA CNUT

  295. 1082


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Rod Liddle on the loony UN sexism special rapporteur:

“There is more sexism in Britain than in any other country in the world, according to a mad woman who has been sent here by the United Nations.

Rashida Manjoo is a part-time professor of law at Cape Town University in the totally non-sexist country of South Africa (otherwise known as Rape Capital Of The World).

Mrs Magoo has been wandering around with her notebook and is appalled by the sexist “boys’ club” culture here, apparently.

I don’t doubt we still have sexism in the UK. But is it worse than in, say, Saudi Arabia, d’you think, honey-lamb? Or about 175 other countries? Get a grip, you doolally old bat.”



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