December 17th, 2013

SKETCH: Did Hogan Howe Just Get Called a Liar?

I’m not really news, me, but did Met Commissioner Bernard Hogan Howe just get called a liar? He told the Home Affairs select committee recently that the Met’s crime figures had been classified “competent and reliable” by Her Majesty’s Inspector of Constabulary.

The said inspector was in just now and flatly denied it. He’d said he’d looked at the Met’s figures and they showed “cause for concern”. So perturbed was he that he has written to the Commissioner asking him to explain.

There must be a headline in there. They’re suggesting one of Britain’s most senior police officers is an unreliable witness. He fiddled statistics to make himself look better, that he lied to Parliament, the Commissioner of the Met. There’s the story, make of it what you will.

It wasn’t the only instance of police integrity that came up.

Tom Winsor, the chief inspector is widely disliked in the police force on account of his proposed reforms of pay and conditions. Thirty thousand officers marched in London in protest against them.

“They were acting on hearsay,” Winsor said, with the thinnest of smiles. “They failed to look for the primary evidence.”

If it went to court they’d all be in jail.

The message the police were getting was that every officer would be £4,000 worse off whereas in reality, he said, 60 per cent of officers would be paid more.

When asked, when pressed, he said he had no evidence that the misinformation came from the upper levels of the Police Federation, “but it may emerge in due course”.

The police leadership seems to be rotting from the inside.

Is Winsor himself reliable? Is he honest, decent, straight?

Unusually for someone in his sort of position, he didn’t defend the people he is empowered to inspect. That’s a good sign for sketch writers.

And when asked whether he felt he was in any way responsible for the loss of police morale he said the most unexpected thing in the most unusual way.

He said, “Yes.”

That’s just not how regulators and inspectors speak.

The man is Christmas.

PS: There was a terrific row when Winsor wore a police uniform to a memorial event. He isn’t a policeman. The uniform was disrespected. The online fury was a phenomenon. It is one of the things best known about him.

His explanation?

The uniform wasn’t a police uniform. It is the uniform provided to Her Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Constabulary. “It is a uniform that only I am entitled to wear,” he said, with that thin smile he has.


  1. 1
    Phil from Pentonville says:

    Resignation in the post?

    How many commissioner’s have there been in the last five years?

  2. 2
    PC 49. says:

    Move along!

  3. 4
    Even Comrade Jones has distanced himself from SWP says:
    • 125
      average joanna says:

      Just like churches and the BBC.

    • 126
      Comrade Delta says:


    • 182
      Fishy says:


      Lefties fighting each other like rats in a sack. It takes me back to the 60′s. Orthodox Trots v New Trots….or ‘Fuck off! ‘Trotskyist People’s Front’. We’re the People’s Trotskyist Front!

      Actually schoolboy Jones is probably pissed that Charlie Kimber always got more airtime with Nicky Cambell’s ‘Your Call’ than he did.

    • 217
      NE Frontiersman says:

      And we still don’t know who Comrade Delta is, though presumably all the press does. All very coy. Those with enough knowledge to work it out from his resignation date could tell us.
      Interesting that the SWP’s way with sexual misconduct allegations should be so similar to those of Portsmouth police.

      • 257
        Comrade Delta says:

        Ha! People will never know my true identity!

        Unless they type ‘comrade delta’ into Google and see the auto-search results and images that immediately pop up.

        Any lefty bitches fancy a drink later? No? Don’t you know who I am? I’m fighting fascism, I can do what I want love.

  4. 6
    The Lobbyist says:

    Militwit has just asked for a judge-led inquiry.

  5. 7
    A Member of the public says:

    What a surprise, a police officer having trouble telling the truth. Who would of thunked it.

    • 9
      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      What ever happened to those three Police Federation lying scumbags?

    • 12
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Hogan Howe has some officers ‘below him’ who are unwilling to ‘investigate’ evidence put to them about how corrupted the Labour Government were and especially in light of several paragraphs in McBrides book.

      Hogan and his suborned subordinates are cting to protect the ‘corrupted MET – who were toatlly politicised under Blair.

      A police intelligence unit [yes I know 'intelligence'!!!] looked at evidence but couldn’t do anything because it showed that the MET and other organisations who they work in partnership with are found wanting and rotten – and not fit for any fucking purpose.

      • 20
        Gallery Guido says:

        stinker whistles need s good wash.

        • 93
          Blowing Whistles says:

          The South Fucking Wales Plod need to be investigated by another polic force – preferably from outside of the UK.

          Ref Ian Watkins / pa3do / sentence tomorrow at Cardiff – as aired minutes ago on CH4 News. The IPCC are investigating the plod who have covered up their own despicable ‘failings’ since at least 2008.

          Perhaps the SWPigswill have been too preoccuPIEd with hammering Maurice Kirk – who has ‘already’ exposed the lot of them and their lawyers [Dolmans] as being corrupt beyond belief?

          • Don't forget says:

            Hampshire police have lost all evidence against

          • The Pompey Lodge Planning Committee says:

            Great, what more could ask from the Pompey supreme hand
            shakers & just wait to see what we have planned for the
            Euro Elections in May 2014 !!

            Time to roll down the trouser leg for now…

          • Brokeback UK says:

            Just watched C4 news. They’re a bunch of twats most of the time but they reported serious shit tonight.

            The Police is not fit for purpose.

  6. 8
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Hogan-Howe is not only a liar, he is also an arsewipe.

  7. 10
    Old Blue Eyes says:

    He’s not covered himself in glory since he got the job has he? Hope he likes gardening.

  8. 11
    Cymro oddi ar y llinell says:

    What uniform did he wear when he was the Fat Controller of HM Railways?

  9. 13
    Perse O'Nalley says:

    It baffles me why none of these appointees has the bottle to stand up and be counted. They know that what they are implementing is wrong but they lay down and take it.

  10. 14
    MandyPickleSniffer says:

    I don’t really care….but if this story in any way leads to Guarnidad readers being sent to Siberian labour camps & Millitwat resigning in disgrace then I’m all for it.

    Oh, and that Hunt Eddie Izzard needs to apologise for the heinous and shameful “children of Thatcher” TV ads he participated in during the last eelction.

  11. 16
    Harri says:

    He is a ‘Gold Commander’ of the Common Purpose club … they can not touch him.

  12. 18
    Penfold says:

    I’m warming to Mr Winsor.

    A Regulator regulates and criticises, but never praises, as excellence is expected.

    As for Hogan-Howe time he went sideways into obscurity with his pension sliced and diced along with the rest of the corrupt scum.

  13. 21
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    The Police Farce’s reputation is in the gutter alongside the BBC,judiciary and politicians.

    The establishment is rotten to the core.

    Revolution beckons just as soon as the chavs have finished watching Eastenders,Corrie and X-factor they will be manning the barricades :-)

    • 69
      PC 49. says:

      The”establishment’ has always been rotten to the core. The joke is , the rest of us mugs put up with it.

    • 70
      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      I drop into Poundland occasionally and look round in despair. ‘So these are the people who are going to make the Revolution?’ I ask myself.

  14. 23
    ex Yard 'tec says:

    I served in the Met for over two decades.

    Lying about crime statistics, is the tip of the ice berg.

    I have the evidence that could lead to two ACPO ranking officers, having to grip the rails. Christ knows as to how many guys lower in rank . . .

    As for sexual perversions – a “Gold Commander” and his spanking the/a school girl at a brothel in Marylebone, has to become common knowledge one day.

    • 27
      An Independent Judge says:

      A spanking brothel in Marylebone? I demand an independent judge-led inquiry

      • 28
        The Court of Appeal says:

        Surely this calls for a full bench.

        • 36


          • Blowing Whistles says:

            The majority of the Supreme Court judges are criminals in their own right – and yes you specifically Neuberger if you dare to question me?

            btw plenty of evidence / paper trails – been working on it all for years you injudicial bastard.

          • The Beak says:

            To be a criminal one must have been convicted of a criminal offence and therefore have a criminal record. Oh do spill, Blowing….

            I think I shall call you Blowing Smoke from now on.

          • Anonymous says:

            So according the moronic beak below, Jack the Ripper wasn’t a criminal, as he was never caught.

          • The Law says:

            Jack the Ripper was innocent until proven guilty

          • Hiding behind the law due to having no morals says:

            Hear hear!

      • 112
        John Ketch says:

        I demand an invitation!

        • 146
          A Charlatan MP of the Cons*LieLabor*LebDims conspiracy says:

          PLEASE Where is this important address ???….& can I book this
          to expenses for “Educational Self Relief” but who cares no
          one investigates the content, I just need to get them passed
          then shredded asap as the Master dictated…..

  15. 24
    Chucker says:

    coppers what lie and fabricate evidence? don’t believe it. They’ll be saying they kill innocent commuters on their way to and from work next. Or leave people to choke to death on police custody suite floors.

    • 99
      Blowing Whistles says:

      HMIC – have been stuffed with ex-plod Chiefs for decades.

      Ex-plod Chiefs policing themselves and covering up any investigations they fucked up in the past … Hello children you couldn’t make it up.

  16. 25
    Dr Doom says:

    Tom Winsor is one tough hombre. Lawyer with a cold and examining eye.

    He was involved in Railtrack as Inspector I think. Only official whose word and judgement could be trusted.

    We need another 100 Tom Winsors

    • 66
      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      ‘Tom Winsor is one tough hombre. Lawyer with a cold and examining eye.’

      He is a tosser with the face of someone who was bullied ragged at school. And now he’s getting his revenge.

      • 117
        Eureka Sumfinn O'Fall says:

        Methinks, Cato, you are confused.
        Mr Winsor has been doing very tough regulatory jobs all over the place for the past 20 years, usually with very little establishment support.
        Tough, blunt, dispassionate. Clone him now.

      • 240
        Anonymous says:

        Oh do fuck off Chief Inspector – your days are numbered.

  17. 26
    Copper Bottom says:

    It doesn’t look good!

  18. 32
    Ric Holden CCHQ says:

    Dismayed to learn the Salvation Army exploits the iniquitous Tory workfare programme. They just lost my annual Xmas donation.

    • 37
      Anonymous says:

      Decent Sally Army workers are volunteers – those that draw a salary from them or any other charity are shameless pieces of shit.

      • 49
        Reader says:

        I don’t know for sure about this being the case now, but when i did some legal work a few years ago for a guy who worked for the Salvation Army in one of their nigth shelters near the Elephant and Castle his salary was roughly half what he would have been earning doing a similar job in a comperable establishment run by a local authority . He could barely support his family on what he was earning. Whatever the case is at the top of the organisation, I have immense respect for the selfless dedication of their ‘front line’ staff.

    • 241
      (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

      Encountered Salvation Army big-wigs in business a couple of years ago and they are the hardest-nosed bastards with the poshest offices you’ll ever find! Stopped giving my meagre dosh to them years ago.

  19. 33
    Bob S says:

    I wouldn’t trust Winsor any further than I could throw him. When he did his “report” he claimed to have interviewed officers who didn’t exist. He said that 60% of officers have had pay rises, which is a lie. He claimed that officers in Kent are being prosecuted over crime stats, which was another lie. He stated that only a minority of officers have complained about the pay and pension reforms, which is also a lie.

    The facts are police officers, like many, have seen their pay cut thanks to freezing of pay and increments. Pension contributions have increased and various allowances are being removed, which all translates to a cut in pay.

    He has also reduced the starting pay for new recruits by £4000 a year because there are more applicants than there are posts so it makes sense. As there were several applicants for the post he currently holds will he be applying the same logic and demanding that his own pay is cut? I won’t hold my breath.

    • 39


    • 40
      Judge Dreadful says:

      The public have wised up to the Spanish practices:

      Too many lies. Too many cover-ups. Too much incompetence. Too much corruption. Too much self-serving politics.

      What general sympathy I once had for the police has diminished significantly. I still trust individual officers, but as an organisation the Met needs a major kick up its collective jacksy.

    • 44
      Anonymous says:

      Never mind, I’m sure you’ll all take out your frustrations on a few more thousand decent members of the public, thus ensuring that even more of us loathe and despise you.

      Coppers – the most dishonest and despicable of all our public servants. Bent as a nine bob note and more full of shit than a septic tank that should have been changed weeks ago.

      • 48
        Anonymous says:

        …and I speak as someone who used to have a huge amount of respect for them and the job they did, but no longer.

        • 114
          Village Idiot says:

          ……The septic tank should be “emptied”, not “changed”, surely?

          • Cons*LieLabor*LebDims Evil Alliance says:

            Sorry Did some one just say we are all in this shit together,
            surely not, we know whats best to force all of the sheep to get
            back in fold with our never ending mendacity & or course
            wholesale fcuking manipulation with plenty of threats thrown
            in just to scare the fcuking shit out of filthy stinking smelly
            masses & they will do as they are told or else….!!!!

        • 236
          Anonymous says:

          Not if it’s a government owned – the contractor can charge the taxpayer a lot more for changing it in comparison to just emptying it ;-)

  20. 35
    Dave wants Turkish immigrants too says:

    We can rest easy in our beds knowing that crime has fallen 50% since yesterday.

    • 42
      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      Crime has only fallen because most people do not report crimes. What’s the fucking point.

    • 46




  21. 38
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    What of the starving Syrians this Christmas. I remember how the labour MPs laughed and cheered when Cameron was defeated in the commons vote. I wonder if Miliband and his fellow scum will think of the Syrians over the festive period?

    • 41
      The British Public says:

      Syria is none of our business

    • 47
      RomaBob... says:

      WTF has Christmas got to do with the majority of Syrians, they are predominantly Muslims. The few Christians they have are persecuted by the opposition/rebels there!!

      • 88
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        And the few Christians are fewer every day.

        • 131
          Haribo Halfwit says:

          As their ancient places of worship, their sacred texts are destroyed and their terrified communicants coerced towards the religion of submission to the will of Allah, the all peaceful, the all merciful. PBUH.

      • 256
        A non emouse says:

        See the front page of this morning Telegraph for a statement on this from a defender of the faith. Charles won’t be popular with the muzzles but it is the truth. And well done him for raising it.

    • 53
      M103 says:

      If Cameron had had his way they’d mostly be dead

    • 65
      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      What are you suggesting we do? Bomb them?

      • 200
        Non taxable pikey says:

        Its The Great Game folks, Syria is being used to bleed Iran and Hezzbollocks dry. Plus the sideline of a civil war that has been running continuously for about 1300 years.

        • 244
          Anonymous says:

          Yep, and all 1300 years of civil was due to arguing over who the paedo prophet’s successor should be – almost as pathetic as arguing over what colour hats they should wear, and proof that Mo was nothing more than a charlatan, as if he really was a messenger from all*h or any other supposed deity, then surely said deity would have chosen the successor.

  22. 43
    RomaBob... says:

    PolFed jumped into bed with Labour……… f*ck ‘em!

  23. 52
    ozybushman says:

    Can anyone believe there is still such a thing as a Lord in Britain? It’s a joke

    • 54
      ozybushman says:

      Matt Ridley – the failed chair of Northern Rock who was recently ‘elected’ to the Lords by his fellow Tory hereditaries despite his role in bringing the British Economy to its knees

    • 55
      ʍȫʊʂʂȁ ҞϴџṦṦậ says:

      How many has Cameron added since the last election at £300 per day..?

      I believe it is around the 200 mark or £60k per day 300k per week or £12 million per year if they sit for 40 weeks..

      Meanwhile the young are being forced to stack shelves in Poundland for nothing.

      • 56
        In case we'd forgotten says:

        Cameron was saying at PMQs last week that he wants to reduce the cost of politics. He’s a liar and a fraud just like his deputy but of course the right wing media keep them pure

    • 104
      Blowing Whistles says:

      How many times do I have to state this – aren’t these fuckers who award themselves the moniker Lord – taking [for the devout religious] the Lords name in vain? Nowhere other than in the UK do they do that – why?

  24. 58
    UKIP, the finale solution says:

    In the USSR everyone in every government department and institution lied about pretty much everything all the time, made up fake reports about rekord harvests and traktor production, the only way to get anything in that system was with copious bribes to officaldom. It came to a point when everyone knew full well everything anyone said was a fabrication and a lie, the whole system became one giant house of lies right up to the point the whole rotten edifice collapsed around them. The fish rots from the head they say, smell it yet? Made up reports, whitewashes by regime toadies, forged statistics, made up economic and immigration and crime figures, massaging and spinning and presentation and PR/PC gibberish and news cycle distraction. This is your liblabcon regime in action folks and it will end in two ways, eventual collapse or we get rid of them all.

  25. 60
    Heil Cameron says:

    So how will the Government respond if a job seeker shows up at a job centre first thing every morning to claim his allowance, using Lord Hanningfield as a role model, and then goes home to watch TV all day, but says he was writing job applications? Will he lose the job seekers allowance like the veteran soldier, Stephen Taylor, who lost his jobseeker’s allowance – because he was selling poppies instead of “actively seeking work”. An example has been set – let see if it is egalitarian…

  26. 62
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Liar is a synonym for copper.

    • 68
      altruism in industry says:

      I’ve been lied to and I don’t like it. Sometimes I can accept a lie when it is helping to make things more interesting ( like an entertainment ) but when the liar is gaining by lying then I think that deserves punishment.

      • 71
        altruism in industry says:

        of course my own attitude has always been, why on earth would I want to lie to my inferiors.

  27. 67
    jaded48 says:

    Winsor is a liar. Nearly all police officers have had a pay cut.They are softening us up for privatisation and then you lot will have something to moan about.

    • 74
      RomaBob... says:

      We have a lot to moan about you lot now !!

    • 77
      altruism in industry says:

      so let’s see, country overrun by johnny foreigners, means of production sold to johnny foreigner, Utilities sold to Johnny Foreigner, the land sold to Johnny Foreigner. Governance given over to Johnny Foreigner.

      Does there exist some sort of a Department of National Defense to ensure that these sort of dealings are not a dastardly aggression against the realm orchestrated by Johnny foreigner but assisted by Quislings ?

    • 106
      Blowing Whistles says:

      Are you trying to pretend you are someone else Rsole?

    • 281
      Anonymous says:

      Given the poor fucking job you do, you deserve to see your wages halved.

      Not only do you fail to protect the public, but you jump at the chance to arrest then when they far to try and protect themselves.

      You’re a fucking disgraceful bunch of cowards.

  28. 75
    NotTheBbc says:

    Free stuff.

  29. 76
    Fishy says:

    Polly Toynbee says that Socialists are nicer and more intelligent people.

    This comment about the Tories from one of those Guardianista CIF’ers takes some beating.

    ‘Just kill the fuckers. Wish someone would give the Tories a bit of the old Brighton `84 treatment again.’

    Nice, intelligent.

    • 155
      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      Yes, just like the comment below yours:

      Highlander says:
      December 17, 2013 at 7:52 pm
      He needs hanging from a Piano wire

      • 289
        Anonymous says:

        Not really – hanging from a piano wire via his coat hook might be humiliating, but it wouldn’t kill him, unlike a bomb a la Brighton ’84.

  30. 81
    Robert Schumann says:

    Ed Balls on piano.

  31. 83

    Hogan Howe seems to live in a rather strange moral universe. Here’s another example. In January 2013 I supplied Operation Elevden with a letter sent by Piers Morgan to the PCC in which he admitted receiving information from the Met Police in circumstances which can only have been illegal. Eleveden have yet to act on this 24 carat evidence. I have written to Hogan Howe asking him to intervene and ensure Morgan is investigated as follows

    5 December 2013

    Dear Sir Bernard,

    In January 2013 I submitted to Operation Eleveden a complaint against Piers Morgan and others regarding the illegal receipt of information from a Met police officer by Morgan when he was editor of the Daily Mirror. The evidence against Morgan could not have been stronger, because I supplied Elveden with a letter sent by Morgan to the PCC in which he admitted receiving information in circumstances which could only have been illegal. I attach a copy of the Morgan’s letter in facsimile.

    Despite my requests that I be interviewed by Elevden and make a formal statement, Elveden denied my requests and eventually after six months of prevarication refused to investigate my complaints without giving any meaningful reason. This refusal was clearly absurd because they had a letter from Morgan admitting his guilt.

    At that point I wrote to the DPP to complain about the failure to investigate a cast-iron complaint. . This prompted a referral of my complaint to the Metropolitan Police’s Directorate of Professional Standards, where it was dealt with by the head of that unit, Det Chief Superintendant Alaric Bonthron .

    Mr Bonthron has had the complaint for more than three months. I have received nothing more than holding emails from him, the last of which was sent on 2 October. He has ignored my requests to meet him and has failed to answer my last email to him dated 8 October.

    It is now more than ten months since I made the original complaint to Elveden and Morgan and the others mentioned in my complaint have still to be investigated. The evidence I have provided is unreservedly conclusive of the crimes alleged and the bald failure to investigate constitutes prima facie both misconduct in a public office and a perversion of the course of justice. The way to judge what has been going on is simple: just ask yourself what the general public would make of the Met’s behaviour in this matter.

    Because I cannot get any meaningful response from anyone I have dealt with within the Met, I ask you, as the head of the force, to intervene and ensure an investigation into my complaints is begun immediately. I also seek a meeting with you to discuss the matter.

    I include in this email my complete correspondence directly with Elveden and the other correspondence arising from Eleveden’s behaviour.

    Yours sincerely,

    Robert Henderson

    Hogan Howe’s office responded :

    From: ””
    Sent: Friday, 6 December 2013, 12:18
    Subject: RE: The Met’s Directorate of Professional standards still refuses to meet me
    Mr Henderson
    Thank you for your e mail.I am sorry to read of the frustration you have encountered.
    Unfortunately it is not possible for the Commissioner to become involved in individual allegations, however I asked that you receive a response from those dealing with this matter.
    Best Regards
    Neil Williams
    Detective Chief Inspector
    Commissioner’s Private Office


    The idea that Met Commissioners cannot get involved with individual cases is simple nonsense. He does it all the time, eg, Menezes.

    • 100
      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      Hogan-Howe cannot get involved with any issues to do with the police.

      • 111

        From the experience of my précis lessons at school, that could be condensed to Hogan-Howe cannot get involved with any issues, without fear of any loss in meaning.

        • 119
          Blowing Whistles says:

          You missed a cople of words SC – He is part of the ‘without fear or favour’ mob who practice the opposite of what they preach – fucking fork-tongued masons.

          • Fishy says:

            Mmm. He leads a charmed life does our Piers.

            I wonder if he has any ‘City Slicker’ share tips for us.

          • Douglas E Belston says:

            There are many things you could point out about Hogan-Howe but the point of précis is that you cut down on the number of words.

          • Blowing Whistles says:

            To Fishy – Re-Piers; him knows where them bodies are buried and he come from the Rupe school of Criminal practices.

            What did Rupe M and Conrad B do with the pa3do lists that they were sent from Texas in 1999 and did they use those lists to further their profiteering while failing to report the highest of the high [The top 1000 in the city] for their abuse of children?

            Think – with all that info did they blackmail for their own personal profit and gain, blackmail for their own personal profit and gain or did they blackmail for their own personal profit and gain

            Or did they act in the public interest?

        • 158
          i don't n eed no doctor says:

          From now on he will be known as H-H, is that o.k. S.C.?

          • It fulfils the shortening requirement of précis but not the retention of meaning IMO.

            Hogan-Howe actually sounds more than faintly ridiculous and appears to include an implied question which might relate to the advisability of the decision to appoint him.

    • 206
      Cynical Visigoth says:

      ‘Alaric Bonthron’? Now they’re just taking the mickey.

  32. 84
    postal votes for bennies says:

    Mr Vas says will collect any unused forms next year, he says its greener that way.

  33. 90
    Fabians are Evil says:

    They are all bloody liars – the only sin is getting caught

  34. 95
    Ethel of Purley says:

    My my, a fucking pig plod telling lies, whatever next.

  35. 96
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    Until the banking crisis 2007, the UK Debt GDP 43.7%, UK Debt GDP now stands at 70.7%, Proof beyond doubt that the Banks have fucked us.

    Vote Tory !

    Hear! Hear !

    • 110
      Anonymous says:

      Well he could have just turned off the tap and people like you would have howled the house down.
      Labour embedded so much demand the recipients now have to weaned off it. Think alcoholics and drug abusers

    • 140
      Fishy says:

      All to do with Labour’s benefits crash.

      Labour left the country with a huge debt and liabilities. Liabilities in the form of debt interest and a broken benefits system that takes time to dismantle. A benefit system underpinned by the poison pill of Labour’s human rights laws and judicial reviews aimed at frustrating and tying the hands of an incoming government.

      Then there’s the BBC

      If Labour had stayed in power we would have been like Greece now

      • 202
        Anonymous says:

        If they get back in 2015 we will be be like Greece before the new year bells of 2017. They will just hose money everywhere and the bills will e paid by my great great great grandchildren

        There will also never be a different government than Labour in your lifetime. They will ensure they never get thrown out of power again. The BBC will of course be fully complicit as will the unions.

        Don’t say you haven’t been warned

        • 233
          Wake up! says:

          Oh what a load of useless bollocks!

          Labour and the coalition, including Fabian Dave’s ‘CONservatives’ are identical. They all believe in the same socialist, re-distributionist crap, all favour membership of the anti-democratic EU, all support welfarism ( communism ) and political correctness ( social Marxism ) they are all pro mass immigration ( population replacement ) and have a searing hatred for this country and support Common Purpose, the Marxist ‘charity’ who’s placement of ‘graduates has actually increased, since 2010.

  36. 107
    Anonymous says:

    Talking of liars

    Liars! MPs say BBC bosses lied to Parliament about obscene pay-offs. There couldn’t be a more serious charge, but don’t expect any contrition

    Read more:
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    • 144
      i want my money back says:

      So the BBC lied about obscene pay-offs and is trying to cover up the Savile cover-up.
      No wonder there’s no time to make decent programmes.

      • 208
        Repeating Patten says:

        I think they’ve ‘moved on’ from there. They’re trying to cover up the cover up of the Savile cover up now.

    • 293
      Pdubya says:

      Can anyone point me to the select comm hearing in question as the BBC website is useless for finding anything remotely anti police or public institution?

  37. 108
    Socialists are all cunts says:

    We all know that for years the fat plods have fiddled the crime stats with the consent of the politicians. So why is it that the BBC and C4 only seem to think the fiddling started in 2010?

    • 118
      It's only me says:

      Because they know the braindead can only think that far and that’s when Liebours whitewash and coverup of the 1997 to 2010 reign of terror started and the coalitions blame for everything that happened between 1997 and 2010.

      • 137
        albacore says:

        The Tories and Labour, why separate the two?
        Debating which is worse is a daft thing to do
        They’re both lethal cancers rotting Britain away
        Only cutting them right out can cure the decay

  38. 116
    Chuka talks to journalist and local resident Polly Toynbee says:

    • 154
      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      Pass the bucket I want to be sick.

    • 159
      Cato Street Conspirator says:

      He’s learnt the numbers well. Perhaps he should go in for the Mr Memory contest. While our Polly is odds on to win the Nodding Dog competition.

  39. 120
  40. 122
    BBC~Brainwashing,Bullshitting Cunts. says:

    We are plague of leeching liars at the BBC. You will never get rid of us parasites! Got that? Good! Now pay your licence fee you utter scum. These celebs don’t pay for themselves.

    Brainwashing, Bullshitting Hunts~BBC~Licking Labour’s Arsehole so you don’t need to!

    • 161
      FFS says:

      Why would I pay my licence fee? I don’t have a telly.

      The internet is the future. I don’t need to listen to your ill-informed “Blue Peter” opinions.

      You’ve got ten years I reckon, then it will be over for you and I think you know it.

  41. 128
    y says:

    talking of liars, here’s one for the chief of all liars ian duncan shit

  42. 130
    Miss Crabtree says:

    I was amused to see that an article in the Mirror recommended by Guido, “House of Lords Must be Reformed” by Toilets Maguire, attracted just one reader comment.

    Presumably this was the one Mirror reader who can actually read.

    • 143
      Socialists are all cunts says:

      Toilets is a big nosed geordie wanker

      • 245
        wochin you says:

        … who does a stint on Sky’s press review and suffers on each occasion from acute verbal diarrhea (spellcheck spelling!!). He is an obnoxious, motor-mouthed, bumptious pain in the arsse who needs to be locked in a dark room on his own for a month or two and give the rest of us a break from his loony lefty ramblings.

        Happily, I have long ago given up paying the telly tax, so perhaps I am not entitled to an opinion on what is on other channels.

  43. 133

    H@rry, writing about the Deutsches Historisches Museum and Johann Baptist Lampi’s portrait of Catherine II the Great, even to the extent that it is of oil on canvas and dates from 1794, is almost beyond what the reasonably cultured human mind is able to entertain emanating from that source. :-)

    • 139
      Jesus says:


    • 153
      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      SC, what is your favourite red wine?

      • 168

        Most Bourgogne region varieties are very acceptable to me. But the wines do not have to be French: Spain, Morocco, Portugal, Croatia, South Africa, Australia and Chile all produce excellent wines from this region’s grapes.

      • 169

        Mоst Bоurgоgnе rеgіоn vаrіеtіеs аrе vеry аccеptаblе tо mе. But thе wіnеs dо nоt hаvе tо bе Frеnch: Spаіn, Mоrоccо, Pоrtugаl, Crоаtіа, Sоuth Аfrіcа, Аustrаlіа аnd Chіlе аll prоducе еxcеllеnt wіnеs frоm thіs rеgіоn’s grаpеs.

        • 181
          Err says:


          • Thank you. That is a real compliment. The thought that what people have to like must be dictated to by fashion is anathema to me.

            One’s tastes should be determined solely by one’s preferences and not in the slightest by other peoples’ opinions.

      • 215
        Ailurophile says:

        While you’re waiting for SC to reply, try some Masi Costasera Amarone (the 2004 was particularly good).

  44. 135
    sussex carol says:

    I think the big question is – is there a single honest person anywhere, in any political party or any government agency, including the nhs and the police, in which we can trust these days?

    I doubt it!

    • 145
      The Right Honourable David Laws MP says:

      I’m obviously very trustworthy, which is why I have the title “Right Honourable”, and I’m Secretary of State for Schools and the Cabinet Office. Obviously, I’m trustworthy.

      I wouldn’t have a job like I have – or the title “Right Honourable “, if I wasn’t, well, Honourable !

      Of course, I did steal £50,000 of taxpayers’ money.

      But if the Prime Minister doesn’t think that’s an issue, why should you?

      • 174
        The majority of the British Public says:

        In other words a fcuking thieving cnut & certainly not accountable to
        us fcuking mug tax payers

      • 252
        John Ketch says:

        Stealing the money is one thing. Using that cash as a payment for a rentboy is quite another. Had a normal, sorry, heterosexual, politician, nicked the cash and squandered it on tarts, he would be forever a pariah. Why should bumboys get away with it?
        At least that great British hero. the late Ronnie Biggs, was an honest crook and only used Brazil as a hidey-hole, not to recruit arsey-holes.

  45. 136
    Blowing Whistles says:

    Not a testicle among the whole of the British msm then.

  46. 147
    Tony Blair says:

    I’m as honest as the baby jesus. I’ve never lied. Iraq really was 45 minutes away from launching a nuclear strike on London. The $100 million I’ve made from the Iraq invasion proves they were. What more evidence do you need?

  47. 157
    Nick Ferrari - LBC 97.3 says:

    I absolutely love Met Commissioner Bernard Hogan Howe!

    He always makes me feel rather horny when I “interview” him.

    I really am an utter establishment c/unt and am still awaiting a place in the Lords by the way!

    • 179
      Sir Ian Blair says:

      I’m an establishment luvvie now. I appear on the Sky News Press Review (for a fee) to impart my extensive knowledge to the great unwashed. I have now really arrived at my station!

      Play your cards right Nick and you could get to clock in and out for £300 per diem.

  48. 160
    og says:

    Global warming? Satellite data shows Arctic sea ice coverage up 50 percent!

    It was only five years ago in December that Al Gore claimed that the polar ice caps would be completely melted by now. But he might be surprised to find out that Arctic ice coverage is up 50 percent this year from 2012 levels.

    • 162
      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      Al Gore is not so cool now.

    • 163
      Blue Peter Goldfish says:

      His cunning ploy of keeping all the lights on in his huge mansion and clocking up 200,000 air miles a year is obviously not working.

      • 197
        walter mitty says:

        yes, yes , but you have to factor in the the sea temperatures are rising from our ( cough ) measurements and this means that the warm sea waters are trying to rise underneath the ice innit, it’s er, where we guess about stuff. Gotta run, go some trouble in Bolivia I need to sort out with some “assets”, wink

  49. 164
    Nick Ferrari - LBC 97.3 says:

    I love Nick, David, Boris, Ed and Sir Bernard. I love them all. I love all politicians and I have a great fondness for newspaper editors too. I love all the (rich) tossers and retards in public life who add fuck all to that which they so proudly profess to serve.

    You can tell I love them by how I speak to them. It the damp and slightly cuddly voice that gives it away. My sneaky guffaws, fake bonhomie and giggles is the only show I know.

    Am I an utter charlie uniform november tango or what!?

  50. 166
    Talking about My generation says:

  51. 170
    Nick Ferrari - LBC 97.3 says:

    Licky, licky licky… where’s my gong you bastards!

  52. 171
    She's pure scum says:

    That sanctimonious hypocritical c-unt Margaret Hodge on Newsnight. She’s got a face you’d never tire of punching.

  53. 183
    The office of Sarah and Gordon Brown tax free. says:

    Sarah told me she was goiing to bed early to do a selfie.
    Even I know she needs a camera for that.
    The silly moo took a cucumber by mistake.

  54. 187
    Err says:

    Nasa orders urgent spacewalks for space station repairs to cooling system.

    Christmas, it’s either the oven or the fridge FFS

    • 210
      The Man in the Moon says:

      They are just trying to get some publicity because the Chinese have made them look useless.

  55. 194
    Anonymous says:

    Just watching Lockerbie documentary and Kirsty Wark pops up and complains about her frustration that no one knew How the jumbo jet came to crash on the town and there was little to report.

    So 300 plus dead wasn’t good enough for your fucking news reports huh? Stupid bitch.

    • 207
      No change there, then says:

      Don’t you righties ever tire of being so nasty and hate filled?

      • 209
        Only saying like says:

        Woman’s a moron. Obviously you ignored the previous comments made by lefties about stringing people up with piano wire then. Not exactly loveable characters yourselves are you?

        • 247
          Wake up! says:

          Oh dear, lectures from leftards on hate, without a shred of irony or self awareness.

          The left have murdered, yes murdered, 150, 000, 000+ in the last century, simply because they were either Kulaks or two steps behind the revolution and therefore, incabable of joining, or supporting socialism.

          And the right are the haters?

          Look in your bathroom mirror sometime soon comrade, the real face of hate will be staring right back at you.

          • George Orwell says:

            The reason they murdered 150million people is because strangely there is opposition to people all being squashed down to the lowest possible wage with the possibility of accruing wealth over time being denied to people.

            Marx and Engels anticipated this opposition and proposed that such opposition be crushed ruthlessly and forever in a continuous process of grinding down of the people known as “the Terror”

            I described this process very clearly in 1984, having seen the process applied first hand. Stalin and Pol Pot were two of its most vicious proponents.

            Anybody that claims to be a revolutionary Marxist is signing up to the terror, which is a necessary part of the revolutionary process. Socialists believe that by taking a slower path they can achieve the same ends without the terror, however the economic collapse which is a feature of all communist societies still applies since the incentive to be productive is entirely removed under Marxism.

      • 225
        If there's one thing I really hate it's a hypocrite like you says:
      • 242
        Anonymous says:

        Don’t you cretins who identify as being either left or right ever get tired of allowing politicians to divide and rule the country thanks to your gullibility?

        • 273
          Jesus H Christ says:

          True, These idiots don’t seem to realise that the Westminster politicians are mainly mates ‘in it together’ at the expense of the public. The voting system is a stitch up designed to make the whole game as comfortabke for them as possible.

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  57. 211
    an english cricketer says:

    those nasty australians were beastly to us, I felt frightened that that hard ball might hit me and it would hurt me and my mummy is not here

  58. 212
    And the good news keeps on coming DON'T vote Balls in to destroy it all again says:

    UK inflation rate falls to four-year low in November

    Recently announced rises in energy are yet to take effect
    Continue reading the main story

    The UK’s inflation rate, as measured by the consumer prices index, fell to a four-year low of 2.1% in November, down from 2.2% the month before.

    • 218
      FFS says:

      And you believe these tractor stats?

      • 219
        Podiceps says:

        Does anyone here have the mathematical ability to work out how long it takes at 2.1% annual inflation before the value of your savings is halved? That would be the real measure of stability: the half life of your own money.

        • 227
          albacore says:

          The real wealth you possess and what it’s worth
          When all around you the land of your birth
          Has immigration hyper-inflation
          Might well occupy your meditation

        • 228
          Caetanium-129 says:

          33 years

        • 231

          You can do this very easily in Excel.

          Using a new sheet, make the following labels (only type the stuff inside the inverted commas – not the inverted commas themselves!):
          In A2 type “pv” – Present Value
          In A3 type “fv” – Future Value
          In A4 type “rate” – your compounding rate
          In A6 type “nper” – number of periods (years)

          Now put in your values:
          In B2 type “2000″ – our original savings
          In B3 type “1000″ – half the value of above
          In B4 type “-2.10″ – it is depreciation, so is negative

          Now the formula which you can copy and paste if you wish:
          In B6 type “=NPER(B4,0,-B2,B3)”

          Your result will show “32.65920909″ which Caetanium-129 has reasonably rounded to 33 years.


          You can now change your depreciation rate and see how quickly the period reduces as the inflation rate rises.

          You could make pv “2″ and fv “1″ if you wanted. The results would be the same but the above looks more realistic.

          Generally, inflation rates are massaged by all governments as we know. One needs to take care to establish what the “true rate” might be for the purpose of your exercise.

        • 237
          The Beak says:

          Erm Santander gives 3% interest on their 123 account so this beats the current rate of inflation.

          • Wake up! says:

            The government current measure of inflation, is meaningless drivel. Though the gullible are still impressed by such nonsense, is clear.

          • Jesus H Christ says:

            By a measely 0.9%. Whoopie cushions.

            Personally, I would avoid having too much to do with a bank run by any member of the famly of the tax-dodger Emilio Botín-Sanz de Sautuola y García de los Ríos, Marquis Consort of O’Shea, especially Ana Patricia Botín-Sanz de Sautuola O’Shea, who runs Santander UK.

          • The Beak says:

            That would be why you’re a financial wiz who’d rolling in it.

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    Cameron has achieved what everyone thought was impossible - he's proved he's even worse than Brown says:
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    • 269
      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      You have far too much time to waste, why not do some charity work.

      • 291
        Cameron has achieved what everyone thought was impossible - he's proved he's even worse than Brown says:

        Think of me as an unpaid extern – some might say that amounts to the same thing.

  60. 230
    • 275
      The Playground says:

      Interesting. Clegg knew nothing, he claims.

      When I was at school, if such things went on news spread very fast and we avoided the teachers concerned like the plague.

  61. 232
    bartfartbastard says:

    Why do you think no one asks a policeman the time anymore?

  62. 239
    A pint of Bitter Shandy says:

    Biggs is dead.

    Let us all hope he rots in hell.

    He was an evil self centered murdering opportunistic crook;

    Young UK taxpayers have been paying for his keep for years without knowing what he actually did.

  63. 259
    Socialists are all cunts says:

    Here we go again, Ronnie Biggs is dead and the BBC are mandelaising him already.

  64. 263
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    Ronnie Biggs is dead. Cue campaign from Guido Fawkes to have his body lay in state for a week.

  65. 284
    Cameron's snake says:

    He still has not resigned then.

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“Farage is a snake oil salesman, but a very good one. His supposed anti-immigration stance is all smoke and mirrors, as is his carefully cultivated image as a ‘man of the people’. The truth is that UKIP is a pro-immigration party that exists to lobby for the interests of the City of London.”

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