December 9th, 2013

They Just Don’t Get It

According to IPSA’s anonymous polling 69% of MPs want to milk the taxpayer of even more cash, so why are they all being so shy in public? This weekend only three were willing to go on the record to back their 11% pay rise.

David Ruffley says he is “minded to accept” being paid £76,000-a-year. That would be the same David Ruffley who Guido exposed for his “obnoxious” behaviour. Bright-eyed hopefuls leave his office in floods of tears, some being binned after only days. The same David Ruffley who claimed £1,674 for a sofa and £2,175 for a 46 inch HD television during the expenses scandal. Now he wants more.

Then there is Jack Straw, standing down but hoping to give his colleagues a nice farewell gift. During the expenses scandal Straw was accused of trying to prevent MPs’ claims from being published because he did not want the public to find out about renovations to his own home.

And thirdly Peter Bottomley, warned about excessive expenses claims in 2009 after demanding £6,000 for windows and £980 for bookshelves. He now thinks he deserves more of your money.

TV producers are struggling to find pundits to defend the rise today. They should start with these troughers…


93 Comments

  1. 1
    You know it makes sense says:

    Don’t forget to sign one of the e-petitions…

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/44225

    This one has the most signatures and has been signed by more than 400 people in the last couple of hours. Lets keep it trending, sign and then pass on the link via e-mail, twitter, facebook, word of mouth, other comments boards etc.

    If we are not going to take to the streets we need to protest via the net.

    Thank you.

    • 7
      True to Form the Lefties support their pay rise says:
      • 9
        Eyes Passim says:

        Order of the Brown Nose to Mr Jenkins!

        • 29
          The New Messiah says:

          I don’t understand. How could we possibly get worse MPs?

          • I helped Gordon save the world says:

            Just vote and you’ll get them. They’ll be lining up at the trough.

        • 88
          Never believe anything you find on Google (or anywhere else on-line) says:

          The overall cost of the package to the taxpayer is said to be the same. It is not – an incredibly generous (and tax free) pension is being cut to fund an increase in (taxable) headline pay.

          The net effect is actually a CUT of a several percent. No wonder so many of those who do not have private means are already saying they will not be standing again.

          If we want honest and competant MPs who can be held to account we need to pay them accordingly – and then hold them to account. It takes a very determined and perverted hypocrite to want it all ways.

          There are, of course, plenty of these among your readers.

      • 11
        Makes I want to tear my hair out says:

        FFS. How many more times. MPS are supposed to be in it for public service and not the money. They are still allowed to carry on with other work for that very reason. It was never meant to be a fulltime job to be an MP nor should it be. You don’t have to work 24/7/365 to realise that a man should not marry a man or a person locked away without trial.

      • 13
        A typical day for a typical MP says:

        Get up.

        Think about going to Westminster today. Decide not to.

        Watch TV. Fill out some expenses claims.

        Check email. Agree to introduce more EU laws.

        Go to bed. Dream of nice big pay rise.

      • 17
        It's a load of Bollocks anyway says:

        Back bench MPs are just voters and are actually overpaid for what they do. Those MPs promoted to government and actually do a day’s work are very well paid indeed.

        Not forgetting that there are so many remunerated committees in West Minster now that it would take a very lazy MP indeed not to at least double his salary by sitting on a few.

        • 28
          how about says:

          Any decent MP will refuse to accept the pay-rise and donate the
          money to a worthy cause like Help For Heroes.
          It would go down well with their constituents and benefit a decent charity.

          • Mornington Crescent says:

            No, thanks. It’s not their money to hose around for self-aggrandising political purposes.

            If they don’t want the money, they can hand it back to HM Treasury and Dave can then put it back where it came: in people’s pockets, in the form of tax cuts.

          • HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

            They will be few and far between

          • Poppy says:

            ….Help for heroes,….to fund the ceo on jollies,no thanks..If anything,British Legion?

          • how about says:

            I wasn’t aware there was any criticism of Help for Heroes or
            suggestion of any wrongdoing.I thought it was one of the few
            remaining charities that actually spent donations on the service
            personnel that need it.

    • 74
      Sign the Petition to stop the 11% rise! says:

      No, the change.org petition, which started yesterday, has 180,000 + signatures, far more than the government epetition.

      http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/david-cameron-stop-the-11-pay-rise-for-mps-salaries

  2. 2
    Psychic fails to be, er, psychic says:

    Could it be there’s no such thing and all psychics are actually total fucking frauds?!!

    A 63-year-old TV psychic has been charged with careless driving following a car crash in Merseyside.

    Derek Johnson, widely known as Derek Acorah, was driving a Nissan GT that was in collision with a Ford Ka in Southport, on Saturday.

    The 52-year-old Ka driver and her passenger, a man aged 21, were taken to hospital with “whiplash-type” injuries.

    Mr Johnson, who was not injured, was bailed and is due to appear at Sefton Magistrates’ Court on 30 December.

    Merseyside Police said he had also been charged with failing to provide a specimen of breath for analysis, following the crash in Scarisbrick New Road.

    Mr Johnson, of Scarisbrick, Southport, is best known for his work on the Living TV show Most Haunted.

  3. 3
    An MP says:

    Yes, but think how much extra income tax we’ll be paying after our pay rise! It all helps pay off the deficit you know!

    • 10
      Hawkeye Pierce says:

      That’s the line the bankers tried.

    • 48
      Hey!! says:

      I pay for your rise and it’s tax.

    • 53
      Cabbage says:

      What tax? Taking a salary from the public purse and paying some back isn’t adding to anything. It’s just taking a bit less. This myth that public sector workers actually “pay tax” gets right on my nellie…

      • 65
        HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

        One of the reasons given for this rise, incredible though it seems, is to lessen the need for corruption!

  4. 4
    Mashed says:
    • 21
      LOL says:

      Meanwhile, experts stressed MPs are paid less than GPs ‘mainly because of the medical degree’.

      Political historian, Julian Cook, said: “Being an MP requires no qualifications. It is not a profession. They are not professionals. At all.”

      He added: “During the 1980s Newcastle was represented by a severed foot.”

      A recent study also found that those who knew MPs before they were elected are astonished to discover they now have a job which pays £66,000 a year.

      Jane Thompson, who went to university with a Labour MP from the Midlands, said: “If I was him I would see the sixty-six grand for the miracle that it is.

      “I thought he would end up at the bottom of a pyramid scheme.

      “He is a fucknut.”

      • 30
        who's the fucknet? says:

        Is it Twatson?

      • 41
        Anonymous says:

        Couldn’t agree more, how many of the 650+ MPs would be able to hold down a job ( outside the public sector) that paid £65k per annum!!! All this crap about we need to pay more to get better MPs is just bollocks. Over 400 seats never change hands and these MPs hardly ever resign so money can’t be an issue.

        As for Jenkins saying pay less and get worse MPs, how much worse can you get that Blears, Vaz, Flint, Burnham the list of mediocrity is endless.

        In the end if things are so bad they can always resign and get a job in the real world – thought not

  5. 5
    Mitch says:

    A pay rise of five times inflation. Truly we are all in it together.

    • 35
      The New Messiah says:

      Plus the fact we are in the EU and most of our law making is not even the responsibility of MPs. I would be happy to pay them a higher salary if we came out of the EU and the MPs had some real work to do.

  6. 6

    They Just Don’t Get It?

    But they do get it and we pay for it.

  7. 8
    Little English People says:

    Vote UKIP.

    Kick the gold lined troughs of Westminster over.

    • 92
      Anonymous says:

      Ha, ha, ha. That’s a cracker. Considering how firmly UKIP have got their noses wedged in the Euro trough. Oink Oink.

  8. 14
    Joss Taskin says:

    Why the figue of 11%?

    Perhaps it has something to do with their platinum plated pensions?

  9. 16
    Voter comrade says:

    There are no qualifications required for the job (unless you count being a slimeball lawyer as most of them are).

    There is no experience required (unless you count being a 2 faced slimeball with no morals or sense of shame as most of them are. A few are there for the greater good; God bless ‘em).

    The EU makes (and unmakes) our laws.

    The other Nigel (Farage, not the twat Kennedy) is right. A reduction, even a vast reduction, is in order.

  10. 18
    Anonymous says:

    This drives me mad. I heard some idiot Mp comparing himself with Doctors and other properly qualified professions. An MP needs no qualifications, needs no training, and more importantly, there is NO SHORTAGE WHATSOEVER of people who want to be one. So why pay more?

    And while I am at it, I heard some “well spoken” lady Times columnist saying how MPs expenses had defoed control etc etc so therefore pay them more! I can tell you EXACTLY how to fix MPs expenses: apply the Imcome Ta

  11. 19
    The first casualty of war is truth says:

    So now we know, the real figure of inflation is really nearer 11% rather than the massaged government fictional figure of 2-3%.

  12. 22
    Bloodknock says:

    This drives me mad. I heard some idiot MP comparing himself with Doctors and other properly qualified professions. An MP needs no qualifications, needs no training, and more importantly, there is NO SHORTAGE WHATSOEVER of people who want to be one. So why pay more?

    And while I am at it, I heard some “well spoken” lady Times columnist saying how MPs expenses had defied control etc etc so therefore pay them more! I can tell you EXACTLY how to fix MPs expenses: apply the Income Tax Act Schedule E rules that apply to all other employees: the expenses must be “wholly, necessarily and exclusively” incurred in doing the job. Out go televisions, bathrooms, second houses, redecorations, first class travel and all the rest. No receipts no repayment.

    This proposal is an absolute disgrace.

  13. 27
    The Critic says:

    Goodness me the price of shite has rocketted hasn’t it? Strange economics though – the only demand for it is in Westminster,yet there is a large national supply, -surely the price should fall?

    Is Gordon running the pay review?

  14. 32
    Righties miss apartheid says:

    Hi righties. Still celebrating Mandela’s death? He lived to 95, righties. And your host here believes he and Maggie are reunited in heaven.

    • 36
      have you forgotten says:

      Well she did urge Botha to release Mandela in 1985.
      And he described her as an enemy of apartheid.

    • 44
      Sledge Hammer says:

      Proof that Rock Crushing is the secret to a long life.

      • 55
        Righties miss apartheid says:

        Eugene Terreblanche met a grisly end at the hands of his secret gay lovers.

        White supremacist leader Eugene Terreblanche always had homosexual “tendencies”, it has been revealed after South African police confirmed his April 3 murder may be investigated as a homosexual sex crime.

        Details of a 1980s sex scandal involving Terreblanche and a male Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging (AWB) supporter have resurfaced just as lawyers for his two alleged killers said they would mount a defence that he was killed while trying to molest one of them.

        Terreblanche was hacked and battered to death on April 3 and found with his trousers pulled down.

        “My instructions from my client are that there was some sodomy going on and it sparked the murder of Mr Terreblanche,” Puna Moroko, an attorney for 28-year-old Chris Mahlangu, told the Sunday Times newspaper. The other accused is 15.

        Max du Preez who founded the Vrye Weekblad newspaper in the 1980s said claims of Terreblanche’s secret homosexual liaisons had not come as a surprise to him.

        “It’s not a complete secret that Eugene had some of these tendencies,” said Max du Preez,

        In the 1980s, his weekly newspaper published the story of an AWB bodyguard who claimed to have woken up after a night of heavy partying to find Terreblanche on top of him, trying to molest him.

  15. 34
    Caligula says:

    I have known several people over the years who have gone on to supposedly better things mainly in public life.

    The general competence of the people has often surprised me in relation to their positions.

    I can think of only two examples when I have not been surprised and in both of these cases the people are now abroad.

  16. 38
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Time for lamposts and piano wire.

  17. 40
    roversfan says:

    I tend to agree with Simon Jenkins with a couple of major caveats. First of all, it’s disingenuous to couch the remuneration of MPs in terms of their base salary, they get generous research/admin budgets which seem to have a habit of being used as outdoor relief for family members. That should be stopped.

    Secondly, if their comparators for pay are full time jobs , then MPs should be deemed full time as well. If they have outside earnings they should be taken into account and deducted from the full time salary awarded by Joe Public. Why should they have it both ways?

    I won’t even go to the subject of expenses which remains a cess pool.

  18. 43
    algarve202 says:

    Judge them in the same way they judge us and that is HOUSEHOLD income.what is the average income of mps including expenses,thier wifes income ,siblings their children employed by them,income from various commitees,and any outside interests associated with parlaiment that would make much more interesting reading…not to mention under the table income,no! they coudnt be that greedy could they !

  19. 44
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    How about we select a panel of the people selected randomly, as we do for jury trials.

    MPs can put their case for a pay rise to them and then let the panel decide if it is merited.

    • 69
      Be careful what you wish for says:

      When I did jury service I took a book to read while waiting to be called, as did various other prospective jurors. Some people just sat in the jury room, not reading anything. It was suggested to me that this was because they were illiterate. Do you want MPs like that?

      • 83
        cynic says:

        Why not? The literate ones merely use the skill to make absurd expense claims. They don’t need any education or intellectual cultivation to vote as their whips direct. It would be better to replace elected MP’s with randomly chosen jurymen.

  20. 49
    Jess The Dog says:

    This is worth 5% or so to the Yes campaign in Scotland….

  21. 51
    Anonymous says:

    M&S boss thinks free market means the whole world is free to exploit.

    A Romanian has a right to move to the UK and displace a UK worker by taking lower wages in a promise for a new life in another country. He thinks they have the right to trade pay for their own future. Especially when that trade requires them to live in conditions far below the average in this country. Why should these companies have a policy that their workers should be partially funded by benefits.

    Why do they have the choice to live in illegal back garden huts and unregistered houses of multiple occupancy, if the British can not do the same.

    Take the US. They too have run a policy of foreign low paid workers from neighbouring countries. In the wealthy areas there are caravan parks full of these worker hidden behind trees. In a recent industrial success in the UK, some of these US workers were working on the project. At the end of the session they thanked the management and stated that it was the first time they had ever worked on an equal footing on a project. To the point that generally in the US they must always step aside for the locals! Even when queuing for food.

    Do we really want that in our country. Do we want 2 classes of workers?

    So why not just send Rose away in disgrace. He has systematically destroyed a UK institution and morphed it into the mediocrity of globalization. Every single iconic company I knew as a child has been destroyed by people that do not have any allegiance to this country. Every single one was destroyed by someone that clearly showed their hatred for the British. Some will not be seen with any British flag. How do we let these people, and countries, buy up and control these companies and then watch while they destroy our uniqueness.

    One particular company has never let a foreign influence govern them. They stand as the exception and are still very successful.

  22. 52
    Anon...........& Voting UKIP.ORG says:

    Meanwhile while the parasites, pimps & leeches aka MPs have another fun
    filled day trying to find even more devious mendacious ways to purloin more
    tax payer funds from any & every source, PLUS there 11% PAY rise on top,
    as the rich get richer & the poor get poorer, the type of equality as preached by the EUSSR unelected Kommiesars in Brussels the real seat of power.

    But back in the real world where the filthy stinking masses of plebs try to
    scratch a meagre existence the whole sale price of Gas continues to drop
    due to oversupply & lack of demand due to mild weather. Of course none
    of these wholesale price savings will be passed back to the fcuking mug consumers by the way of lower energy prices that is not allowed & is fully condoned by ALL MPs as they fiddle away while Rome starts to smoulder
    & will very soon erupt……Wonder if these verminous MPs will be shocked when it happens & they suddenly find there 5 Star Plus luxury life style disappears along with most of them in a bloody violent end to the rule
    by Cons*LieLabor*LebDims Satanic Alliance ??

    • 57
      Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

      The LibLabCons Ceausescu moment can’t be far off now.

      Just as soon as the chavs have finished playing angry birds,watching Corrie,Eastenders and X-Factor they will be manning the barricades :-)

      • 64
        Anon...........& Voting UKIP.ORG says:

        LOL you may have hit the nail on the head…..LOL

        BUT this maybe, just maybe the final straw that does break the camels back !!

        God help them if it is……..as Westminster Lamps posts will be put to a very
        good overwhelmingly popular use for all to see.

  23. 56
    Because we're worth it says:

    MPs will still only beon the salary level of entry point first jobs, as per recent comments of Westminster Council Leader

  24. 61
    Err says:

    Time for a simple question. How many MPs would walk away if their salary was halved?

  25. 70
    Living in 98.221% white Merseyside says:

    No need for me to worry how much my bennies are. I can take them with a clear conscience.

  26. 71
    olden1936 says:

    None of us in the UK have forgotten the MPs feeding at the expenses trough scenario that the media focused our attention upon not so long ago, but with so much corruption coming to light since then the public’s focus has forgivably become somewhat blurred. Austerity, austerity, and yet more austerity, cuts, cuts, and yet more cuts; when will it end? Why are the world’s richest nations pleading poverty? Where has all the money gone? Long time passing. We are still paying in money and lives for murderous ongoing wars that we got dragged into by Bush, Tony Blair and Co that Mr Obama, and the current UK Tory/Lib Dem government seems reluctant to end. These are the wars that have earned us all in the west the hatred of those Moslem/Islam followers in the east. Just as in the USA we in the UK lack jobs for the many skilled and unskilled workers because manufacturers shunted production abroad to achieve smaller payrolls. Many years of a bonanza casino culture for greedy investors, bankers, and property speculators drove property prices out of reach for home buyers, and everyone but the UK and USA tax-paying public rompt home with full pockets of cash. Where has all that cash gone? If we mugs are all in this together God help us. War on Terror anyone? And now the latest joke to be played on we muggins voters: An 11% pay-rise for MPs. PS Why is this font so tiny? My eyes are watering, but maybe I’m just sobbing tears of despair.

    • 77
      usually works. says:

      Try Control together with Shift and the + sign.
      To reverse, Control and minus sign

  27. 73
    (Not so)Dangerous Brian says:

    Most of them would walk, obviously with written instructions of how to find the door, the thick bunch of pan-heads.

  28. 75
    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    Don’t be so hard on Peter Bottomley – he might need some money soon to fund his defence lawyers.

  29. 78
    Jules says:

    Logically many comments imply that we’d be better off without MPs – it would certainly be useful if we didn’t have them meddling with workers wages and bankers bonuses. But we need to have some just to provide democracy-wash (think green-wash) and it will be so much better if they were able to work unpaid. After all it is a public service. Naturally there wouldn’t be any of those working class types ,with no inherited wealth, to get in the way either. And with no legisation to pass MPs could spend all their time in the city or the courts or attending board meetings.Everyones a winner. Think of the glorious days before 1911 -when MPs were first paid, then the rot set in.

    • 81
      Ferdinand Ficklewidget says:

      Well said, sir! When my grandfather was President of the Board of Trade we had so many servants I gave them a shoe each to clean. In those days the lower orders knew their place.

  30. 87

    A gaggle of dishonourable flexuous fribbles, only capable to fiddle expenses.

  31. 90
    non taxable pikey says:

    Universal Credits anyone? Just wait until we get our Computer systems working. WTF is it with these cnuts and computers?

  32. 93
    Anonymous says:

    Thieving bastards should b shot


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Rashida Manjoo is a part-time professor of law at Cape Town University in the totally non-sexist country of South Africa (otherwise known as Rape Capital Of The World).

Mrs Magoo has been wandering around with her notebook and is appalled by the sexist “boys’ club” culture here, apparently.

I don’t doubt we still have sexism in the UK. But is it worse than in, say, Saudi Arabia, d’you think, honey-lamb? Or about 175 other countries? Get a grip, you doolally old bat.”



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