December 9th, 2013

Their Friendship Aside, Sadiq Khan Still Has Ahmad Questions

From tomorrow Babar Ahmad can add convicted terrorist to his CV, along with Guardian contributor. At the district court in Connecticut the extradited Brit will plead guilty to running websites that allegedly sought to raise money, recruit fighters and seek equipment for terrorists in Afghanistan and Chechnya. This is despite years of demanding to be freed and fighting his extradition to the States. He had one very vocal supporter in this campaign: Sadiq Khan. The Shadow Justice Secretary said it was ‘truly shocking’ Ahmad had been held and was involved in the Free Babar Ahmad campaign.

Guido has written at length about the differing accounts from Khan about his relationship with Ahmad, but it is certainly clear that they knew each other as teenagers. Even if we leave this completely aside, the Shadow Justice Secretary is on shaky ground for his vocal support for Ahmad.

As Robin Simcox of the Henry Jackson Society wrote in October:

“Ahmad and Ahsan could have hopped on a plane and proved their innocence. Instead, as is their right, they chose to take their case to the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR), the court system created by the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). The defendants argued that extradition to the U.S. would breach the ECHR. After years of appeals and delays, their case was dismissed by the ECtHR in September 2012.

Khan says that the decade long legal process for Ahmad and Ahsan overseen by both British and European judges saw due process ‘jettisoned’. I have no idea what he could possibly mean by this, but it would be interesting to know what about the courts’ verdict he felt was flawed.

Khan admits to a ‘fear’ that Ahmad and Ahsan will plead guilty in the U.S. Why a British MP is frightened of suspected terrorists admitting their guilt in our closest ally’s courts is anyone’s guess. Presumably he thinks the U.S. judicial system is crooked: if so, he should at least have the courage to say it.”

Despite his portfolio, Khan has said nothing about this development. Must have slipped his mind with all that campaigning for Mayor of London…


50 Comments

  1. 1

    Has the ECtHR has grown balls? If you will excuse the expression.

  2. 2
    Lord Stansted says:

    We seem to have had rather a lot of these extradited Brits who claimed to be completely innocent only to plead guilty.

  3. 3
    Err says:

    You’re only over there because I pointed out that Venezuela do have a space project :)

  4. 4
    Toxic Labour for spongers, parasites, immigrants and criminals says:

    I’m glad you said Brits they are not English.

  5. 5
    Gordon Brown says:

    I wish Jade Goody well.

  6. 6
    Err says:

    That’s the problem with trying to be first. No time to check.

  7. 7
    Delusional Gordon Brown says:

    How pathetic and divisive will Abbot be this afternoon, do we think?

  8. 8
    Brown actually said this says:

    “I met Mandela on the day his son died”

  9. 9
    Hey!! says:

    It’s about time 650 MPs were charged with fixing the game.

  10. 10
  11. 11
    We pay for this clown to get drunk says:

    Charles Kennedy admitting he wangled a “fact finding mission” to SA during the rugby world cup.

  12. 12
    F**k the LibLabCon says:

    Indeed.

  13. 13
    Gordon Brown says:

    I wish Sadiq Khan well.

  14. 14
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Apparently the judge thinks he’s “valuable to the UK”. No, seriously.

    WTF??

    Presumably the legal profession want to get one over on May for cutting off the funding of their claret cellars on the Legal Aid budget but this is serious, serious piss-taking.

  15. 15
    Diane Abbott says:

    I’m a one woman food bank.

  16. 16
    Gordon says:

    I expect to be next to President Omaha at the funeral

  17. 17
    Gordon says:

    I always had you down as a piggy bank

  18. 18
    Markwouters says:

    BundesStagRacoon Here,
    The Fascists in government in England have yet again surpassed us, and Closed off all cancer treatmaent funding ,is that because theyre saving up for yet more wars or letting the Yanks steal it all ,perhaps they really are c-ap at Sums and have all their sums wrong ?or maybe its harder then they thought to follow Thatcher into the Gutter of “Tax Haven”stewardship, and Have the British working for Below Cost contracting,as Thatcher did !?.

  19. 19
    Hippo watch says:

    No more than usual.i.e. VERY

  20. 20
    Cynical says:

    Disgraceful Frank Dobson trying to invoke Mandela to justify mass immigration.

  21. 21
    Mark Wouters says:

    BundesStagRacoon Here,
    oh ,and Join the Tory Party and end up in a Financil Grave

  22. 22
    Mark Wouters says:

    BundesStagRacoon Here ,
    Join The Rightwing To Get DEBT,DECEIT and DEATH,Thatcher Style.

  23. 23
    Anonymous says:

    i hear that our so called betters i.e.Cameron,Miliband,Clegg, Blair,Brown and Major will all be attending a funeral in South Africa. I think we have the right to know who is paying for this jaunt.
    Many young British soldiers have died in wars brought about by this lot but I do not know of any attending their funerals.They can all find the time (with our money) to play their walk-on parts for a terrorist who was out to kill and maim. A pox on them all.

  24. 24
    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    Unfortunately this shifty little git is my local MP.

    I don’t know what I do to deserve them – over the years I’ve also been represented at one time or another by David Mellor , Nick Scott ( more or less permanently p*ssed – he was found face down in the gutter at Tory Conference one year) and Alan Clark.

  25. 25
    walking into darkness says:

    A sad iq is a kindly explanation, an out and out khant is probably nearer the mark

  26. 26
    r supward says:

    Khan, Balls, Umunna, Abbott. then add Broon waiting in the wings to rise up like an Arthurian Legend to save England in its hour of need.
    we can only count the hours to 2015 and our salvation

  27. 27

    I changed it six times, too!

    It was a statement which metamorphosed into a question. That caused the brackets to become awkward so I created another sentence. Then there was the small ‘t’ so people know you are talking about the so-called court and not its convention.

    All that and I hardly drink at all nowadays. You have to admire the professionals who are obliged to consume vast quantities of liquor at the same time as producing faultless prose (Ha ha ha). :-)

  28. 28
    The BBC says:

    Nothing to see, move along. Oh by the way, the Tories hated Mandela.
    Phew, that was close…

  29. 29
    The 650 MAGGOTS that run err RUIN MY COUNTRY says:

    I would like to see all of them face down in the gutter , with large hatchets protruding
    from the back of their skulls

  30. 30

    Well if you will move from Kensington and Chelsea to Tooting, this is the sort of representation you have to get used to. :-)

    Alan Clark was a fine MP and he put an awful lot in for his constituents.

  31. 31

    You’ll have to up your game a bit now. :-D

  32. 32
    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    Clark used to put quite a lot into his constituents as well

  33. 33
    not an MP says:

    is he another of those cvnts who think they are better than us ?

  34. 34
    Handycock says:

    Clark – what an amateur !

  35. 35

    Don’t ever complain that I don’t pass you the lines… :-D

  36. 36
    Mark Wouters says:

    BundesStagRacoon says,
    Hello and welcome to the Tory Financial economic Mess ,its going to be such a very long mess ,youre ,not going to Believe how very long and bitter-sweet, you all have Mrs Thatcher and the Tory party to Thank ,Well done you Tory losers, very very Well done!!and a special thankyou to the Tories Prostitutes ,liberlDemocrats.

  37. 37
    Socialism Ate My Future says:

    1000 vacancies at Dominos, 650 MPs…..

  38. 38
    alister says:

    There are many problems with being a foreign national in the US System

    Firstly, you will be denied bail. You are a flight risk as after all you opposed extradition and even if you didn’t you have “no ties to the community”. This is why you sit in jail

    Secondly, the prosecutor has no problems in adding charges to the inditement, all to ramp up the pressure for a plea deal. Whereas in the UK charges may be “taken into account” if you are found guilty they will be added to your sentence. Thus a plea deal of 5 years vs 75 year before parole at trial sounds good.

    Thirdly, you are isolated from your family – want to see you family? They have to get visas and you have to pay to fly them out and back, remember you’re in jail not earning.

    Fourthly, defense witnesses from the UK, you have to fly them out at your expense. If the trial is postponed, to bad, you still pay. Witness unavailable to bad, your problem. Also the prosecutor can contact the witness and say the US doesn’t feel justified in the expense/effort etc extraditing you but if you were to in our jurisdiction then………

    Basically if you’re not a multi-millionaire, you’ll go broke trying to win and you’ll be sitting in a US jail doing it. Most people would cut their losses and try to get a prisoner transfer back to the UK so you can have regular visits and save what little money you have left

    Justice? What justice?

  39. 39
    not an MP says:

    making a porridge of peoples is not going to work.
    I can understand black guys shagging white women, the white women might like the cock size of the black man and the black women are often a bit misshapen so that makes sense from one viewpoint and I suppose if you were really desperate you might shag a Mongolian or a Mexican but generally people like to have babies with their own sort. Messing about with society like this is only going to lead to disaster.
    IMHO

  40. 40
    non taxable pikey says:

    A good statement on the BBC News have your say site yesterday. Something to the effect that we may very soon see an Eton Mess on the Westminster pavement.
    Why nobody has very publicly kicked the Sh * t out of one of these Rsoles I just don’t understand.

  41. 41
    Hugh Janus says:

    Yes, very predictably the BBC denies going OTT with their coverage:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nelson-mandela/10505447/BBC-boss-defends-channels-Nelson-Mandela-coverage.html

    I imagine that they will be alone in that view.

  42. 42
    God's Holy Trousers says:

    I’m crying inside for Ahmad.

  43. 43
    Somewhat offpissed. says:

    Muslims is Muslims.

    Taqiyya is Taqiyya.

    Political is Political.

    Troughs is Troughs.

    Slaves is Slaves (Hi there, Sayeeda).

    Kitman is Kitman.

    Essentially, and in case you still haven’t got it, cultural survival is a hard-nosed business and you’ve lost it, Whitey. We now have you by your useless, self-righteous miniscule balls. Either learn to live with it, convert or die, we don’t really give a fat goats arse. So, Allahu Akhbar or, if you wish Honourable Members (), my vote and my oil money is yours (for the time being) provided you continue to help us establish the New Caliphate (beheading optional).

    P.S. We do not buy our food animals from the next village so you can safely come dine with us anytime. At least once.

  44. 44
    Somewhat offpissed. says:

    Muslims is Muslims.

    Taqiyya is Taqiyya.

    Political is Political.

    Troughs is Troughs.

    Slaves is Slaves (Hi there, Sayeeda).

    Kitman is Kitman.

    Essentially, and in case you still haven’t got it, cultural survival is a hard-nosed business and you’ve lost it, Whitey. We now have you by your useless, self-righteous miniscule balls. Either you learn to live with it, convert or die, we don’t really give a fat goats arse. So, Allahu Akhbar or, if you wish Honourable Members (:)), my vote and my oil money is yours (for the time being) provided you continue to help us establish the New Caliphate (beheading is optional, honour killing is not, understand!”).

    P.S. We do not buy our food animals from the next village so you can safely come dine with us anytime. At least once.

  45. 45
    John Bellingham says:

    If anyone has a spare cruise missile or even a medium size drone to spare, here’s a target for you.

    https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-26.234797,27.982353&q=loc:-26.234797,27.982353&hl=en&t=h&z=15

    There will be some 56 World leaders including Brown, Blair, Cameron, Obama, Bush, Castro Jnr, Mugabe, the French Dwarf and his replacement plus waste-of-space event groupies like Bono, Oprah, Geldorf, Jimmy Carter, Bankie Moonie, Clegg and various aging actresses.
    As one who knows the terrain well, unless the Merkins are flying in Ground to air missiles to park on the mine dumps–the bastards and bastardesses are defenceless.
    Oh Tsafendas! Where are you now?

  46. 46
    Anonymous says:

    to running websites that allegedly sought to raise money, recruit fighters and seek equipment for terrorists . . .

    that was another Kennedy, right?

  47. 47
    (Not so)Dangerous Brian says:

    Well said sir!

  48. 48
    (That's enough Eds, Ed!) says:

    Exactly, M C! Ship the cupid stunt back to Oz and let him dig up some cricket pitches or something. Fucking bogus asylum seeker! Fucking piss-taking judges!

  49. 49
    Anonymous says:

    He may indeed be feelthy terrorist scum, but taking a plea bargain in America has little to do with guilt. The [elected] prosecutor says “We’ll either lock you up incommunicado for the rest of your life without possibility of parole in a Supermaxx prison if found guilty of terrorism and we think we can get you found guilty however innocent you say you are, or you can go home in 5 years time IF you plead guilty to xyz so we can look smug and add your name to our next campaign leaflet”.

    Quite a lot of people who are objectively innocent decide to take the plea deal anyway, and are then screwed if & when unassailable proof of innocence later becomes available. Quite a lot of those who don’t take the plea deal come to regret it at extreme length. Hardly any ever get released, some of those get blackmailed again into accepting a deal for ‘time served’ just so the incarcerating authority don’t have to pay compensation for their imprisonment.

    Like I said, he may well be the wrongun he pleaded to being, but taking a plea deal in the land of the free is not reliable evidence of that at all…

  50. 50
    Gaido Ferx says:

    Of course the US justice system is crooked. That’s pretty basic stuff. You plead guilty or they throw away the key. Trying to hint otherwise just makes you look like an arse.


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