December 4th, 2013

Now Mitchell Himself is Getting Sued

It gets worse for Andrew Mitchell. PC Toby Rowland, who he called a “liar”, is going to sue him for libel. He sent him a lawyer’s letter yesterday accusing him of making defamatory comments. The Police Federation are believed to be stumping up the cash. Which, if it gets there, will make for a very interesting day in court…

Via @skymartinbrunt

114 Comments

  1. 1
    Jonny says:

    Getting all a bit “Dallas” innit

  2. 2
    Shady cat says:

    First again.

  3. 3
    Dead Reader Walking says:

    “life`s to short to be afraid,take the pills to numb the pain, you dont have to take the blame”

    • 69
      Psyche the Dog says:

      Why doesn’t the silly ass say what he actually said. If he did not say “Pleb” say what he said, he would save himself a lot of self inflicted heartache and money, the more he stays silent the more folks will draw their own conclusions, rightly or wrongly

  4. 5
    Bored Public says:

    Who gives a shit? Lying politician. Lying plods. Just the same as usual.

    The whole thing is an irrelevant farce

    • 11
      Mitch says:

      Agreed. All this nonsense should have finished months ago. Neither side come out with any credit.

    • 13
      Lord Denning says:

      Mitchell should ensure that the legal fees of PC Toby Rowland are not being paid directly or indirectly by the public sector, or one of the police associations, as this would be against the law.

      • 33
        UKIP for 2015 says:

        The Police Fed is funded by its members, like any union. So Not illegal.

      • 45
        newsnighted says:

        yes, that’s right

        Mitchell should ensure….just like a squire with a riding whip , we get the picture

      • 49
        Farage Warrior says:

        Mitchell will now have to fund two separate legal suits both with estimated costs of £1 Million each.

        Perhaps he should have thought about that before his ranting press conference. Did no one advise him that PC Rowland was likely to sue with the financial backing of one of the biggest and richest unions in the UK.

        Or did he think he would just be able to bad mouth just another working class pleb with impunity?

        • 60
          DWWolds says:

          You clearly watched a different press conference from the one I did in which there was no ranting. It was reasoned and logical.

      • 89
        Jagd1 says:

        Your a complete twit, see comment 86 which will explain to your simple mind the circumstances of the officers legal entitlements.

  5. 7

    That should be nothing but interesting. Burden on Mitchell to prove Rowland knowingly told an untruth, or on Rowland to prove he made a sincere statement?

    • 42
      UKIP for winners says:

      Burden of proof is on Mitchell to substantiate the claims he made in the libellous statement,…… which will be hard when its all on CCTV, he admits swearing at Rowland, and has changed his story 3 times.

      it’ll never get to court because he will be bankrupted by The Sun’s case first

    • 46
      newsnighted says:

      no , the burden will be ALL on the proven dissembler

      ” I don’t recognise those words”

      pause for thought and close questioning from Cameron

      “alright I swore”

      PC “I wrote down what he said straight away , telephoned a Sgt , repeated what he said, went back to the station , wrote an e-mail to colleagues, saying the same thing.

      so all the defence for Thrasher can possibly do is say ” I SUGGEST you made it up” or something similar.

      for which there will be no evidence whatsoever

      and on the balance of probabilities Michell will have publicly impugned , via TV press conference ,a servant of the state

      the arrogance is breathtaking

      • 64
        Anonymous says:

        Why have the Police been allowed to keep their jobs ? at the very least they handled everything badly at the most they conspired to get a Cabinet Minister sacked.What Happened to the one who wasnt even on duty who pretended to be a member of the public ?

        • 70
          Psyche the Dog says:

          I believe he is up before the beak

          • Tom Dayley is a Hero says:

            He is toast… Ironically, the only police officer not in the poo is the one who was allegedly libelled by Thrasher – he was exonerated of all wrongdoing so perhaps this wasn’t the wisest choice of target.

        • 75
          Anonymous says:

          Where’s the evidence to prove a conspiracy, You’re talking out of your ar5e. What evidence no you have, or have you seen or heard to say that PC Rowland handled things badly, unlike Mitchell he hasn’t had the establishment and Channel 4 backing him. He stands by his version of events, and I know who I believe. So one Police Officer fabricates evidence and they are ALL guilty are they? Stupid Tw-t!

        • 90
          Jagd1 says:

          Don’t tell me you pay their wages, they are unimportant little plebs and should know their place. I think everyone gets your drift. Mr Brave ANON!

    • 52
      Farage Warrior says:

      It goes beyond that, Mitchell accused Rowland of a conspiracy of lies against him.

      A £300,000 12 month inquiry says there wasn’t, all of which will be used in the Libel case by Rowland’s legal team

      Vs Mitchell’s ‘what I think is’

      Expect Michael Portillo to be called, to explain his news night Mitchell regularly says pleb statement; and retraction (and who ordered it to be retracted)

      Bankruptcy court is where Thrasher is heading

  6. 8

    I think this is exactly what Mitchell hoped for as it will require the police officers to give evidence on oath and submit to hostile cross examination.

    • 30
      Maximus says:

      Juries never see a bent copper in a witness box – they are always the UKreign’s finest. I suspect a jury might even get a perverse pleasure from bankrupting a politician.

      • 65
        Anonymous says:

        They usually never see Plod making fools of themselves at a select committee hearing either ! this whole case has shown the Police in a new light.

      • 93
        Jagd1 says:

        What other pleasure is there with a politician, unless you take your pleasures with them?

    • 38
      UKIP for winners says:

      But ‘thrasher has admitted everything except using the word ‘Pleb’. Which he will never be able to prove he didn’t in court.

      Its an open and shut Libel case

    • 47
      newsnighted says:

      we don’t all go weak kneed as the sound of an Oxbridge educated voice pal

      fuck me , if this exactly what Thrasher said

      “I’ll deal with this in the morning”

      Jesus , you fucking people

      it’s not Georgian England anymore

      • 71
        Psyche the Dog says:

        Unfortunately he will not say what he really said, unless he has memory problems, if he did not say “pleb” say what he did say

    • 92
      Jagd1 says:

      Err police giving evidence in a court of law? Where do you think on a daily basis they give evidence, Clapham Common Toilets?

  7. 10
    How about UKIP? says:

    Perhaps, and I for one would love it, but just maybe Plod has evidence that Mitchell did indeed use the pleb word, the cops may have buried it in the interests of preventing a scandal but they have been abused by a swaggering Mitchell and maybe its now a case of removing the kid gloves?

    • 14
      Anonymous says:

      Wait, the cops were trying to -prevent- a scandal?

      That explains everything!

    • 15
      Will says:

      well lets hope the plod federation are bang on the money on this one, or under oath it could end up being very bad for them.

      Ok if plod are found to have lied then as a defence lawyer all I have to say defending mr scumbag on his 20 charge is dear jury if plod lies about a member of the cabinet what would they do to stich up my client Mr Scumbag, hence reasonable doubt hence acquittal of Mr Scumbag.

      So this could backfire on every plod in the land due to the police federation being seen as vindictive.

      • 29
        fairs fair says:

        The Pc involved was directly and publicly called a liar by Mitchell. The Pc in question , indeed no Police officer, has directly/publicly called Mitchell a liar. The officer would have paid subs into a personal liability scheme or some such thing which will cover the costs.

      • 80
        FFS says:

        Firstly he didn’t put it in writing.

        He was effectively accused in public of using the word pleb by the police officers who strangely didn’t feel the need to take it to court at that stage, and therefore it is perfectly acceptable for him to answer the charge also in public.

        The judge will throw it out of court on the first day. The plod are making fools of themselves again.

        • 87
          Ralph Millband from beyond the grave says:

          Oh you must be a legal expert. Even 6th form A Level Students know Libel isn’t just “writing it down”

          libel 1) n. to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person …

      • 94
        Jagd1 says:

        Your a defence lawyer? What in a tribal court? I’d pop back to your books and look up “Dipsomania” if I were you.

  8. 12
    Bardirect says:

    Do they realise that libel trials don’t take place in the Magistrates Court, the only place where Police evidence is now given any credibility?

    • 16
      bergen says:

      I don’t think the Police Federation have thought this one through. Mitchell finally has a chance to clear his name before a libel jury. If they don’t pursue it we can draw our own conclusions and if they do they need to be pretty confident of their evidence.

      And think Aitkin and Archer on the consequences of bringing unwise libel actions.

      • 32
        John Bellingham says:

        I think you are right. Plod has inserted his truncheon in the wrong place. To not bring a libel case against Mitchell accepts that he is justified in his accusation, by bringing a libel case the copper in question is going the face a very nasty barrister–and we all saw the level of plod at the Select Committee hearing.

    • 95
      Jagd1 says:

      Did a bloke down the pub tell you that? Are you a clown by profession or just dribbling in it.

  9. 17
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Get a cell ready for PC Toby Rowland, and his mates from the police federation.

  10. 18
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Daily Politics.
    Angela Eagle must be the thickest MP ever. Labours cuts wouldn’t have been cuts although they would have made cuts. The Eagle has crash landed.

  11. 19
    Mary Whitehouse says:

    Please enough already. Your just spoiling us now

  12. 20
    What a plonker says:

    He’s a fool.

    He had the sympathy of everyone. Then he announces that he is going to sue the cops and lost all sympathy straight away.

    He should have quit when he was winning.

  13. 21
    JMF says:

    It will be a case of “he said,you said” and then all of a sudden there will be half a dozen plods claiming they were there at the time.

  14. 22
    ex plods wife says:

    Probably going to get the same judge and jury that got that fucking pig thug Simon Harwood off after he murdered Ian Thomlinson in full view of millions of people.

    Personally I wouldn’t trust a plod as far as I could throw it.

  15. 24
    Anne Arquist says:

    I just love to see pictures of plods with machine guns. They are so intelligent, so un-corrupt, so un-thuggish, so un-masonic…

  16. 25
    Booking forms says:

    Given the regularity with which police officers tell whoppers, I do not think it will be in the interests of the police federation to encourage this fashion for coppers getting involved in libel actions. The public may start reciprocating.

  17. 26
    Arnold the anarchist(weekends only) says:

    Have decided to give up being an anarchist. The Establishment are doing it for me. Any suggestions what I can do now at weekends?

  18. 27
    Anonymous says:

    They had to trump the card.Now for the perjury argument.

  19. 28
    Freddie the Fishmonger says:

    Popcorn anyone ?

  20. 31
    HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

    This is now out of all proportion, just because some tory EU loving arsehole called some moronic strutting idiot a pleb.
    WE ARE SICK TO THE BACK TEETH OF IT we are paying your wages get on with the jobs you are paid to do, or resign !

    • 37
      A non emouse says:

      Agreed.

    • 76
      cynic says:

      This all seems to be egotistical nonsense. Why the fuss over whether one fool called the other a pleb? It’s not an insult. Had they been Romans, both of them would probably have been plebeians.

    • 100
      Jagd1 says:

      It’s the “paying your wages line again” how original. Does the DWP have your CV approved yet or you’ll get sanctioned.

  21. 34
    Emma Isaacs says:

    Did the police really need to shoot his tyres out ?
    How ever fast was Mitchell going ?

  22. 35
    Displaced Brummie says:

    “Mmm! Punishment! I love it!” says winner of dumbest copper of the year award.

    “So, I says to him: ‘Don’t worry, Tone, mate! You can’t lose!’ And the silly bugger fell for it! And those idiots at the Police Federation are going to fund it!”

    Now, tell us officer, why are the police referred to as ‘the filth’?

    Oh, let us guess…

    By the way, a solicitor’s letter is not always worth much.

    I wonder if PC Clodd and his team of legal luminaries have heard of ‘Arkell v. Pressdram?’

  23. 36
    Anonymous says:

    Let’s have the Mitchell press conference on screen with the second by second David Davis run through.

  24. 39
    UKIP for winners says:

    Mitchell is bang to rights.

    By holding a stupid press conference to call PC Rowland a liar, he has handed the Police Federation the opportunity it was looking for to destroy the incompetent arrogant toff

    • 41
      Displaced Brummie says:

      But PC Rowland will be questioned, on oath, in a court of law. PC Rowland had better think before he takes action.

      Some police officers are very cross about what has happened re Plebgate and the Police Federation action and cover-up.

      What might a less-than-friendly colleague of a certain officer told Mitchell’s legal team?

      Has someone been smoked out?

      As had been said get the popcorn out!

      • 102
        Jagd1 says:

        Says a man who once heard of a man who knew a policeman. Tell me why did British Leyland hit the deck. Was it full of Brummies all saying “If it was good enough for my mate Terry it good enough for them punters, anyway what do the Japanese know anyway”.

    • 53
      UKIP for whiners says:

      Unless of course Rowland is a liar.

  25. 40
    JM says:

    I did wonder if he was calling Rowland out when he held that press conference. He must have been advised that to call someone a liar would be defamatory.

    • 43
      Displaced Brummie says:

      Unless Mitchell can use the defence of the truth? Hmm. PC Clodd had better be careful. He’d better try to work out what Mitchell knows and who has, perhaps, stitched him up.

  26. 44
    UKIP for winners says:

    Mitchell is finished…….. now looking at 2 separate bills for £1Million each in costs.

    Lost his cabinet job, going to be bankrupted by the Libel courts and UKIP or Labour are going to take his seat in 2015

    Should have done what he was told at the No 10 gate shouldn’t he…

  27. 48
    Farage Warrior says:

    AnotherTory Toff heads to the Libel courts where Aiken and Archer fell before.

    Get your cheque book out and write the Police Federation £1Million

  28. 51
    Farage Warrior says:

    Andrew Thrasher Mitchell … The gift that keeps on giving (to UKIP and Labour)

    Reminding the electorate on a daily basis about the arrogant, snobby, born to rule, Public School Toffs behind the Tory party.

    Hopefully the Police Federation will bring this case on the run up to the general election.

    • 67
      Anonymous says:

      Good old England, where people nurture the chip on their shoulder for life !

      • 81
        Ralph Millband from beyond the grave says:

        Even his own party hate Thrasher

        He is a gift to Labour and UKIP, the gift that keeps on giving.

        If only he had done what he was told to by the Police that night…

        … But then “Don’t you know who I am”.. Doff your hat in the presence of your betters man

  29. 54
    Big Killick says:

    Before this gets to court, we will have the prosecution/disciplinary hearings of the other Plebgate coppers and the Fed’s reputation will be firmly in the gutter.

    • 58
      newsnighted says:

      yes, that’s right

      the actions of people nothing to do with you can get you not believed in post Magna Carta Britain’s courts

      this comment proves yet again that there exist in this country the kind of booted nastiness of an age long gone

      on this pathetic logic anyone who is remotely connected by job, club or class is guilty by association

      by your words you reveal yourself

      keep going it’s fun

    • 68
      Anonymous says:

      It is already !

    • 106
      Jagd1 says:

      Gutter, mmm, put the bottle down and try to get out of it.

  30. 55
    Eton Bullingdon says:

    Good the Toffee nosed twat will get bankrupted, well done Pol Fed

  31. 56
    mraemiller says:

    I suppose there’s the theoretical possibility that they could both sue each other and both lose as neither can prove that the other is telling the truth …….?

    • 59
      newsnighted says:

      no , there is not since the PC has NOT impugned Mitchell publicly

      do keep up

      the fact that a couple of his mates have used national media outlets to get their story across seems to have befuddled your brain

      whilst I am here I have some interesting stock options for you

      sign here Steven Hawkins

  32. 61
    mikis says:

    It will be very interesting to hear PC Rowland’s evidence regarding the second policeman who claimed he was outside the gate. As he wasn’t there, how did this second policeman become acquainted with the claimed “facts”? And why didn’t PC Rowland immediately admit that this second officer was not outside the gates?

    PC Rowland may have a difficult time in the witness box.

    • 73
      Eton Bullingdon says:

      The arrogant Tory Toff is going to get bankrupted by The Sun, long before he gets any where near the Police Federations libel action.

      Suck it up ‘Thrasher’ you snobby Eton loser.

    • 77
      Bardirect says:

      do not forget the shocked members of the public who were neither there nor members of the public

  33. 74
    A likely juror says:

    Do you prefer marmalade or marmite on your Mitchell?

  34. 79
    Ralph Millband from beyond the grave says:

    Mitchell is screwed. It’s not what tou know it’s what you can prove.

    So you were pissed from an afternoon in the Cinnamon Club, swore at the officer, have changed your story 3 times.

    But claimed the Officer is lying about you using the word ‘pleb’

    Despite your good mate Portillo saying on Newsnight he’s heard you use that word before

    Found for the plaintiff, That’ll be £100K for Mr Rowland and £1million costs please thrasher

  35. 84
    Pete says:

    I look forward to barristers examining both Mr Mitchell and particularly PC Rowland. An ex-local government officer, I used to be a great supporter of the Police. Then I started worked with them…

  36. 85
    Downing Street cat says:

    If the Police Federation didn’t think (with I’m sure very learned legal advice) they didn’t have a 90% chance of winning the case they wouldn’t be stumping up £500K – £1M in union funds to bankroll Rowlands action.

    Mitchell’s press conference has sunk him, he now has to prove all those wild allegations in court.

    Remembering a year long inquiry that has already evidenced they were without merit.

    Mitchell’s best course of action is to drop the case against The Sun and settle out of court with Rowland.

    He is finished as a politician anyway, he will be a bankrupt as well too at this rate

  37. 86
    Stan Tistic says:

    Plod could have just opened the door.
    Usually they did as it was their job.
    Strange that on this occasion they refused

    Coincided with a campaign against Govt cuts in Plods budgets.
    No connection of course just a complete coincidence.
    T shirts for all concerned were printed and ready for a spontaneous protest outside local offices of the MP the very next day
    Its as if it was all planned.

    But obviously it wasn’t as the Plod have told us it wasn’t.
    And I believe them
    Of course I do.

    • 109
      Jagd1 says:

      You must have eaten the same type of curry that Mitchell did that day. tell me was yours served in a bottle?

      • 113
        Stan Tistic says:

        We shall see very soon in what will be prove to be some very interesting court cases.

        Much more CCTV yet to be seen, so I’m told.

      • 114
        Blob Dylan the well known typing error says:

        Just open the bloody gate, or is there another reason you are suddenly refusing????

  38. 88
    Jagd1 says:

    For Guido Fawkes information, Police Federation members (all real police not PCO’s) pay dues to the Police Federation as part of their membership. They are entitled to legal representation from Police Federation appointed lawyers arising from any matters that arise in the performance of their duties. Thus either being sued for or suing for libel in this case is covered. Please do not try to spin an entitlement that arises from a Police Federation members contracted lawful entitlement. A bit like the Daily Mail, it’s cheap and not journalism.

  39. 112
    Farage Warrior says:

    Mitchell is an arrogant toff who is going to get the final humiliation of paying the Police Federation big bucks in compo.

    Tory Party Eton Toff infested and toxic as ever


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