December 1st, 2013

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560 Comments

  1. 1
    Handycock whipping it out says:

    What a waste. How old is her daughter? Boaz.

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  2. 2

    What’s the betting that Tony is getting it in the neck from a wife that does not entirely buy his story?

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  3. 3
    ! says:

    House of Commons Leader Andrew Lansley claimed £6,000 in expenses for hotel stays in London despite owning a flat just a short walk from Parliament

    Another odious Hunt then.

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    • 5
      Ed Balls - Shallow Chancer says:

      Why claim on expenses when you can easily get a £ 50,000.00 donation from the Co-op Bank ?

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      • 61
        Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

        And declare your small house oop north as primary residence for parliamentary expense purposes and your large house in London as primary residence for capital gain tax purposes

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    • 84
      Retired Old Git still paying Tax for these Shysters to piss up the wall says:

      Has anyone spoken to the Hotel staff ??

      Did he stay there on his own 0r with someone else male or female??

      Was he brahms & liste when he stayed there on his own or with someone??

      How many times has he stayed there either on his own or with someone ??

      If figure of £6K just for the single or double room or a suite ??

      What food & beverage costs were charged & is that for 1 person or 2 or more ??

      Did he have use of an Official Chauffeur driven car to & from the hotel ??

      More questions than answers & not just a straight forward case of ripping off

      the public purse & needs to have a strong spotlight turned on this behaviour

      in more detail as this is all very very fishy & its in the public interest to dig

      into this in much more detail & then publish the answers for everyone to read

      Another example of these 650 professional troughers who are masters @

      mendacity & manipulation just for there benefit in there continued lust of

      power that the filthy stinking masses of plebs have to accept & pay for with

      no questions asked……

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      • 111
        What Fraud looks like says:

        The real issue here is what with having a home a short taxi journey away, did he really stay overnight in these hotels or did he just make the claims ? If he didnt he has committed fraud plain and simple.

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        • 179
          Retired Old Git still paying Tax for these Shysters to piss up the wall says:

          The nearest hotel is 5* Marriott COUNTY HALL & was the last bastion of
          Red Ken Livingstone tyrannical people’s republic before Maggie to a long
          over due axe to that dinosaur.
          Marriott CC Prices range for £350+ for a single to well north of £1K for a
          suite per night…….

          Oh how those that are supposed to serve US have a different interpretation
          for there own comfort & enrichment of there lives…..but still its only the
          filthy stinking plebs & tax payers money, so does it matter ???

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          • What Fraud looks like says:

            Thats not the point as whether he claimed from a 5 star hotel or a doss house is neither here nor there if he never actually stayed the night there. I find it hard to believe that he would stay in hotel accomodation when he had a home nearby.

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          • silent knob says:

            its time you could work out the difference between their and there muppet

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        • 524
          A Wankers Wanker says:

          Who the fuck cares. nothing will be done to bring him to heel, so fuck it.

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    • 90
      The Public are fed up with this never ending crime says:

      Shoot him.

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    • 93
      mingers guild says:

      has anyone seen his missus ?

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      • 188
        Retired Old Git still paying Tax for these Shysters to piss up the wall says:

        Which One ???

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        • 198
          Joe Public & all Voting UKIP.ORG says:

          His majority at 2010 Election was less than 8K in his South
          Cambridgeshire seat……..

          As Guido has published many times before saying
          Watch this space; as there is likely much more to come on this
          smoking pile of stinking effluent…..

          “Oh, what a tangled web they weave…when they practice to deceive”

          Will this become another UKIP target seat ????

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          • The British Public says:

            The Conservative and Labour Parties are being revealed as the conspiracies against the public interest that they are.

            There is every chance that both parties will be given a bloody nose at the next election.

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          • Joe Public & all Voting UKIP.ORG says:

            Why just a bloody nose, a fcuking hard kick in the goolies plus a the
            permanent RED card without compensation would be more fitting to
            this vermin which pervades every part of our lives as they seek to
            control by any means with there mendacity & manipulation………

            They make Arthur Daily look like a saint compared with what they
            ALL get up to & thats just what we know, how much is still waiting
            to be exposed to daylight……?????

            Oh by the way don’t forget these parasites, pimps & leeches are
            all pushing for the 11% increase !!!!

            Some are most defiantly more equal than others !!

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          • Rufus Stone says:

            Where is Ollie Cromwell when you need him?

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  4. 6
    Meanwhile at the Old Bailey says:

    LOL

    XXX
    OOO

    Your Bekkie and Andy

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  5. 7

    Topless barber charged with unlicensed cosmetology Chron

    http://bit.ly/182DaN5

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    • 31
      UKIP or bust says:

      You do like to keep abreast and in touch of global events.

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      • 69

        Luckily, I am fortunate to have kept my long sight which is somewhat better than 20/20.

        In case you think I exaggerate, I can spot a nipple at 10,560 feet.

        My short sight has deteriorated but I stopped excessive self-abuse when I had to wear glasses. :-)

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        • 154
          i don't n eed no doctor says:

          Why couldn’t you have said two miles?

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          • A metric mile is 4921 feet.
            A nautical mile is 6,080 feet but used to range between 6,046 feet and 6,107.5 feet.
            An Ancient Roman mile was 4,862.2 feet.
            A Severus era mile was 7,283.5 feet
            A Norwegian mile was 37,070.2 feet

            It is preferable to be exact.

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          • Bilda Berger says:

            Have you really nothing better to do on a Sunday afternoon?

            PS I have got my bookshelves at last and the Donleavy referred to in our previous exchange has gone walkabout. Probably lent it to some arse who hasn’t returned it.

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          • Yes, I have been reading some of the books I bought whilst I was in England for a few days either side of flying to Casablanca and Conakry.

            I splashed out on a double-volume Artabras production: The Art of Florence. It weighs a ton but is beautifully presented and I am 200 pages through 1312. Not having visited Florence properly for almost two decades, I felt I should do my homework before I went again.

            Sorry to hear about the loss of your Donleavy. The fuckpigs of multiplicity was a wonderful phrase which has resonated in my mind ever since. Hope you are now comfortably settled in your new home. The first twenty five years are the worst… ;-)

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          • Bilda Berger says:

            Thanks for the good wishes. Back among my books, wot heaven! Just started on a Mauriac I never got round to reading. There’s so much good stuff out there it’s a shame to waste time here, yet it’s oddly addictive. A bit like Nigella I suppose.

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          • If you manage to do both whilst keeping the household budget afloat, then that is rather a good thing, I would think.

            That bit earlier on about how many feet there were in a mile was an eye opener for me. I started to write it knowing that there was a great disparity in different miles so I wrote several lines and then needed to check a fact on which I was not absolutely certain. My surprise was huge when I realised that there was a much larger disparity than even I had ever realised.

            So if spending part of my Sunday resulted in widening my knowledge, then that is definitely something that delights me. I accept that some folk may not appreciate it, nor wish to bother themselves finding out, but for me it is a definite gain.

            From what you have told me before, I think you will readily understand.

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          • Bilda Berger says:

            Yes indeed, sorry for the peevishness of my 3.42!

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          • I could never fall out with a fellow book lover! :-)

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    • 71
      Ah!!!!!!!!!! M says:

      What sort od search / link brought this to your attention?

      Having said that I was searching a moment ago for info on a doctor, and it came up with ” How to eat pussy” And Cameron thinks he can protect kids.

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      • 76

        London mayor draws ire over elitist remarks Chron

        http://bit.ly/1alnxNJ

        Page down twice to Most Read and it is in the Mail-type “sin list” on the right, just where the article ends. A natural to click on, you would surely have to agree.

        I know you would like it to have been me searching Google for “Cat with Enormous Breasts” or somesuch but, alas, real life is much less exciting.

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      • 85


        Most Read

        * Rockets turn tables on Spurs, snap Alamo City skid
        * 40 people involved in brawl near Alamo Christmas tree lighting
        * Dolphins put Martin on non-football injury list
        * Topless barber charged with unlicensed cosmetology
        * Aggies announce new contract for Sumlin
        * Mother on crashed plane led searchers to wreckage
        * Parsons’ perfect night boosts Rockets past Nets

        Cat’s mental process:

        Spurs? No;
        brawl? No;
        football? No;
        Aggies? WTF No;
        Crashed plane? No;
        Parsons? No, especially as it looks like football.

        Topless cosmetology? It has to be a goer. Press!

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  6. 9
    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    I seem to remember paywalls being the subject of much derision on here yet now we are encouraged to pay up to subscribe to the Sun online.

    I suppose if you hang around politicians long enough you become susceptible to the same sort of prositution

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  7. 11
    Jack Ketch says:

    I don’t know how to post pictures to this site. If I did, I would show the uncanny resemblance of Yvette Cooper, appearing today on the Sunday Politics show, to the late Jimmy Clitheroe

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  8. 12
    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    No thanks.

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  9. 13
    P l e b says:

    Typical Marr/Tory interview….He asked Martin Shaw more ‘searching’ questions than he did Osborne….

    Mr Marr, the next time Georgie repeats his ‘Public spending was too high, under Labour” line, why not just ask, “Why then, in opposition, did you promise to match their spending?”….

    Awkward questions are not, it seems, part of your technique..

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    • 18

      Marr has always had a terrible right-wing bias.

      Well spotted!

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    • 52
      Doctor Mick says:

      It is a current affairs program not a documentary on ancient history you plonker.

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    • 79
      George Osborne (for it is he) says:

      “Why then, in opposition, did you promise to match their spending?”

      Could it possibly be because we weren’t in government, and didn’t have access to the actual figures and realise the mess Gordon had got the economy into?

      It’s a novel approach for Labour to try to blame the opposition for everything they did while in government, but I bet even Boris doesn’t think the public are stupid enough to believe it.

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      • 95
        Reader says:

        Nice try, but no cigar. The whole country knew what a mess the Labour Party were making. That’s one reason they were kicked out of power.

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    • 107
      FFS says:

      He’s being entirely consistent. Public spending was too high under Labour. Osborne promised to match it, and he has.

      Ergo, public spending is still too high under the Tories, just as Osborne promised.

      Vote UKIP.

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    • 116
      Only saying says:

      “Why then, in opposition, did you promise to match their spending?”….

      Simple answer you fuckwit.

      Labour had so ant people on the public teat both in and out of work that a sudden drop in expenditure would have thrown them out of jobs and into the street. Of course most of the jobs were non jobs but we all know Labour and the BBC would have made hay. So you wean people away from the non jobs gently and the sucess of this has been proven by the dramatic drops in unemployment and over a million jobs created in the private sector by this coalition.

      Of course Marr and the rest of us know that its only thick leftie twats like you that prefer to destroy the country and rub our noses in it to make political points rather than actually do something worthwhile.

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      • 140
        FFS says:

        Actually it was the unfunded tax credit system that screwed things up. People can claim £6,000 per year in child tax credit even if they have no intention at all of ever working. They can claim up to £10,000 per year if they are on a low income.

        This was added to existing housing benefit in a time when rents are going through the roof exactly because there is no ceiling to how much the government will pay in housing benefit.

        The whole system if now funded by just 10% of the population, so it is hellish difficult to go back to where we were and still hope to get any votes. Until, of course, the 10% paying for it all decide to give up work and do what the other 90% are doing – claiming every tax credit and benefit going.

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        • 307
          Carry Hole is a porcine homunculus says:

          >rents are going through the roof

          Total coincidence that most MPs own BtL property.

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  10. 15
    Scouser says:

    We don’t read the Sun up here – because we’re all tribal, knne-jerk mental deficients who do what the bloke down the road tells us

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  11. 16
    Sunday Politics says:

    Brillo gave Boy Cooper a grilling on immigration, makes a change.

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  12. 17
    Grant Schnapps says:

    “Roll up, roll up, it’s the Tories big election giveaway !!” ” Can’t afford a deposit for a mortgage?”” Then look no further than our Help To Buy scheme” “It’s causing a Housing bubble but who cares?””Trouble paying your Utility bills?” “Don’t worry because we are about to save you £50″ “Don’t tell them the average family bill has risen by £140 so they are in fact £90 worse off” “Roll up, roll up, it’s the Tories big election confidence trick!!”

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    • 27
      Liebour enemies of the people says:

      The average family bill of £140 wouldn’t have been needed if Liebour hadn’t brought in the green laws ,to pretend that that taxes can control climate change, vote Liebour for higher taxes, all to be pissed up the wall on more champagne for the union leaders and Liebour MPs.

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      • 122
        Gordon McMetntal X MP still taking the dish though says:

        I would have thought the Labour Party and their supporters would be the very last people to advise on economic competence

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    • 310
      Carry Hole is a porcine homunculus says:

      Subsidises accrue to sellers not buyers.

      It’s a free cash for selling to first time buyers.

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  13. 19
    Joey (Essex) says:

    £50 energy bill cut? From what? By the time this smoke-and-mirrors statement becomes a fact the bills will have gone up another 10%, wiping out any saving

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    • 21
      RED LEN says:

      Vote Labour at the next Election.

      We will eliminate Boom and Bust; we are the only political party with a proven track record of delivery.

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      • 28
        Vince Incapable's cut-price postal service says:

        A record of 50% successful delivery – as a statistic that beats most other things any of the LibLabCon could justifiably claim.

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      • 39
        Liebour enemies of the people says:

        Yes, we noticed your proven record of delivery, NHS, housing, delivering millions of immigrants to take British workers jobs, all hail the Liebour money tree and get ready to buy your id card, how much will they cost this time £80 or £800.

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  14. 20
    Alex Salmond, formerly the cleverest man in politics says:

    I think a mass casualty event in Scotland could really help my poll ratings, must get in touch with the ‘dark forces of which we know little’ to see what they could do.

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    • 24
      Emm Eye Five says:

      Please refer all enquiries to our “Office for Making Unfortunate Accidents Happen.”

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    • 26
      Where are Tony Blair's expenses says:

      Will Scotland please please vote for independence and when you do

      1. Lets rebuild Hadrian’s wall and have real border controls

      2. Give Scotland RBS and its debts

      3. Give Scotland its share of the national debt

      4. Faslane to move south and take all the highly skilled jobs with it

      5. Scotland to use the Euro then the BoE will not have to underpin the Scottish economy

      etc etc

      Vote for independence, I don’t think so the average Scot is far too savvy when it comes to his/her wallet.

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      • 34
        HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

        Adrians wall is a long way south of the border

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      • 57
        Vote UKIP - it is your duty says:

        1. Just give the job of border control to the Spanish patrolling Gibraltar. That will stop the buggers coming south. More unwanted bloody immigrants.

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      • 65
        Living in 98.221% white Merseyside says:

        Give them the Falklands Islands.

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      • 136
        The geographical fuckwittery of the inglish unmasked says:

        Yet another ignorant arsehole who thinks Hadrians Wall marks the border. Do you really want to cede most of Northumbria and part of Cumbria to Scotland ?

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    • 37
      What's not on on TV says:

      TV seems to be showing an awful lot of Emmerdale or some such nonsense at the moment. I thought the disaster specials were usually saved until Christmas.

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  15. 23
    ANON says:

    On Radio 4’s Broadcasting House this morning Matthew Parris claimed that ‘Right Wing’ newspapers kept calling yesterday’s crashed helicopter a ‘Eurocopter’ presumably believing this was some Right Wing plot to attack the EU and completely ignoring the minor detail that Eurocopter is the name of the company that makes them!

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    • 29
      Anon says:

      The Eurocopter group was created in 1992 with the merger between the helicopter divisions of Aerospatiale-matra (France) and DaimlerChrysler Aerospace (Germany).

      The group is now a subsidiary owned 100% by EADS (European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company), one of the three largest aerospace groups in the world. By a process of successive integrations, Eurocopter has become Europe’s leading fully-integrated aeronautical group and is, at present, composed of three entities: the parent company, Eurocopter, the German subsidiary, Eurocopter Deutschland; and the Spanish subsidiary, Eurocopter España.

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    • 32
      Mornington Crescent says:

      One day, Parris will manage to write a whole article without using the phrase “as a gay man, I…”

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      • 38
        Why are HI VIZ jackets reqiuired in a pie factory? says:

        Paris yet another Homosexual who is constantly on the BBC’s airwaves.

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        • 111
          FFS says:

          I don’t know how they find them. They only make up 1% of the population.

          Maybe they go to Emmerdale. According to the ITV, LGBTs make up 50% of the population of the Yorkshire Dales.

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    • 35
      Observer says:

      He has become an avowed has-been leftie. So sad. And ignorant.

      “The Eurocopter Group was formed in 1992 through the merger of the helicopter divisions of Aérospatiale and Daimler-Benz Aerospace AG (DASA). The company’s heritage traces back to Blériot and Lioré et Olivier in France and to Messerschmitt and Focke-Wulf in Germany.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter

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      • 48
        HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

        Strange that ,names like Messerschmitt and Focke are still around , I woner what happened to Supermarine , Hawker , Avroe and the rest.

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        • 74
          Liebour enemies of the people says:

          Whilst the rest of the world produced decent aircraft and rockets for themselves and to sell, the Liberal left destroyed our aircraft industries, ie, tsr2, to appease the USA and to stop wars, number 1, you can never appease the USA, number 2, didn’t they do well stopping wars.

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          • A flying seagull says:

            All I want to know is what exactly this Police helicopter was doing flying over Glasgow in the dark?

            It could hardly have been chasing criminals.

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          • Reader says:

            + 1.

            The police practice of flying over populated areas has to stop. This latest ‘accident’ was a reckless event caused by deploying an aircraft where it should not have been without very good reasons.

            The police regularly put the public at risk in London by the way they use their helicopters.

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          • Casual Observer 4 says:

            Taking helicopters down is a hallmark of G’erman intelligence services.

            Would be very interested to see the the accident report details and what is not mentioned rather than all this rubbish about dead police.

            G’ermany is and always has been the enemy.

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          • Curly says:

            Yes, especially the ones embedded in the Thames Valley Police.

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          • CYNICAL OLD MAN says:

            Helicopter engine heard coughing and spluttering before dropping like a stone onto the roof of the pub? No fire caused by escaping fuel?

            Did the pilot forget to fill up with fuel before going out on patrol?

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          • Who cares?. says:

            Yes.

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      • 306
        Matthew Parris says:

        Keep up the good work. As a gay man, I find there is no such thing as bad publicity.

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  16. 25
    50 Calibre says:

    I think I have an allergy to Yvette Fucking Cooper and her cook. She makes me lose the will to type properly and spellcheck it afterwards…

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    • 80
      Sheikh Basha Banka says:

      This is the woman who once went on live television and said that she had saved the world banking industry by banning shorting on the FTSE.

      This is a little known but true fact.

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  17. 33
    Why are HI VIZ jackets reqiuired in a pie factory? says:

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    • 41
      Observer says:

      Because Liberals are so insignificant that they vanish into oblivion without hiviz assistance. And then people tread on them, accidentally on purpose.

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    • 46
      Fat and Furious is still with us, but Fast and Furious is not says:

      Is Cable asking, ‘And this is just the initial batch this week for Mr Balls?’?

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    • 49
      any old crap says:

      I suppose it stops any health and safety questions coming from an old idiot who sells off public assets too cheaply.

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    • 51
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      And fucking hard hats DANGER FLYING PIES

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    • 56
      Pies 'r' Us says:

      You obviously don’t realise what pies are actually capable of…

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    • 185
      Vote UKIP or else wot? says:

      He is just asking where all the fillings have gone, and the manager is replying that John Prescott had just visited.

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      • 254
        Baldrick's burger bar says:

        Those stupid jackets are probably bullet proof. Whatever happened to the pristine white coats these types usually liked being photographed wearing?

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    • 529
      Who cares?. says:

      Why are hi vis jackets required by the police force?.

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      • 558
        Jack Ketch says:

        Because they reduced the minimum height. In the 19thC when the average height of British men was just 5ft 6in, Police officers were required to be at least 5′ 10″, plus they had that high hat, first a Topper, then the famous helmet. The Met. reduced the minimum height to 5ft 8in in the 1960s on the basis that many graduates who may go on to higher ranks(!) were being rejected.
        The MacPherson report of 1999 decided that the height restriction was seen to possibly discriminate against those of ethnic backgrounds who may be genetically predisposed to be shorter, so all forces dispensed with the height limit.
        Some officers are now so tiny, that they can be obscured by Keep Left bollards and litter bins–thus a Hi-Vis jacket is deemed a requirement.
        I am not sure if the IQ test was also adjusted to accommodate genetic differences.

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  18. 45
    Concerned of Middle Wallop. says:

    When Osborne says he well cut my electricity (no gas in these parts) bill by 50 smackers what does he mean? Will he send me a £50 cheque or will he apply a discount to the bill and who is paying for it?

    And then there is the meter in the barn, will we get £50 even if we don’t switch the barn lights on?

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    • 60
      Living in 98.221% white Merseyside says:

      With my benefits and pensions I can afford as much leccie as I want.

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    • 63
      Vote LibLabCon and get poorer says:

      It’s a fantasy £50, it doesn’t exist, your bill won’t go down by 1p, it’s just voting bait, just as Liebours price stop is, it’s, I can come up with a better lie than you, it’s Browns repeating of cuts, time and time again, we need real change to sort our problems out and voting for the LibLabCons won’t help give us change but more of the same.

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    • 66
      Gawd Help Us says:

      Don’t worry too much about it you won’t notice it anyway, by the time it’s all sorted out the charges will have gone up again.

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  19. 58
    Living in 98.221% white Merseyside says:

    Sorry Mr Fawkes but I’m not splashing out 70p for the Current Bun.

    I may have mentioned it before but we don’t buy it up our way.

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  20. 75
    Abdel from Tooting says:

    Thanks to the internet I have not spent a penny on a newspaper in over ten years and it has done me no harm whatsoever.

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  21. 83
    Rinka Scott says:

    When is Nick Clegg going to turn up in Glasgow ?

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    • 130
      Liam Byrne says:

      Not enough money around that hasn’t already been trousered, hence no Cleggie.

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    • 148
      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      He has already been there, dressed as a tramp, swilling cheap booze while eating a deep fried mars bar. He would have been hard to spot as he looked just like 99% of the inhabitants of Glasgow.

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      • 343
        Thick as pigshit bigot watch says:

        Listen to the southern wanker who has never actually been to Glasgow. Prick .

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  22. 86
    A great big mess says:

    Has Blair been shagging Murdoch’s misses?

    Having read the supposedly free Press and looked at the BBC I am none the wiser?

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  23. 96
    Fuck the EU says:

    Why the fuck is the UK still in the EU ?

    Who in the UK voted to be part of that organization ?

    Time to exit. Vote UKIP.

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  24. 98
    David Cameron Advent Calendar says:

    Dear Santa,

    When you visit David Cameron’s family this year, please fuck him up badly.

    Extra milk and cookies will be made available if you r’ape him with a reindeer and maybe pour acid on his treasonous face.

    Merry Christmas,

    The UK.

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  25. 108
    Gordon Brown says:

    dEar saNTa, I woN’t thE latEST ‘I Pox’ foR XMas.

    THAnk YoU.

    gORdron

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  26. 117
    Joey (Essex) says:

    In just one week the desperate tories have signalled a ‘u’ turn on this and a giveaway on that. It’s all tory bullingdon b***s**t aimed at bolstering their electoral appeal. But Osborne, Cameron, Clegg and the tory libdem disaster are finished, they know it, you know it and try as they might they cannot undo the three years of abject, miserable, lieing, cheating nasty divisive politics for most of us they have put out on behalf of the rich.

    Notice today you get Clegg, Cameron and Osborne putting it out (a trustworthy sincere bunch of blokes) and later you’ll get pleady needy ‘down home’ pretending boy Tim Farron spouting libdem drivel. Everyone ‘get the libdem tories out quick’ they’ve been a disaster.

    From now on till the next election, say it loud and clear never trust a tory or a libdem!

    This government is in trouble and has caused goodness knows how much misery to many people

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    • 127
      polite coughing at the back says:

      “say it loud and clear never trust a tory or a libdem!

      WMD?

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    • 128
      FFS says:

      Divisive politics? Blimey, I remember Labour in the 70s and 80s. They more-or-less invented “divisive”.

      But you’re right. Everyone should vote UKIP, and get the Tories out and that bunch of fuckwits that preceeded them.

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    • 129
      polite coughing at the back says:

      “This government is in trouble and has caused goodness knows how much misery to many people

      Labour’s Iraq war: half a million dead civilians.

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    • 131
      polite coughing at the back says:

      “cheating nasty divisive politics”

      “We flooded the country with immigrants to rub the Right’s nose in it” – Labour.

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    • 137
      polite coughing at the back says:

      (a trustworthy sincere bunch of blokes)

      WMDs?

      The promised referendum on the EU constitutions?

      Single-sex hospital wards?

      NHS dentistry for all?

      No more boom and bust?

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      • 150
        Technomist says:

        NHS dentistry for all sounds OK until you discover what the NHS system actually covers, which is dentistry from the dark ages. I have found that it is cheaper to fly to China to have my teeth done, and the service is so much nicer.

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        • 172
          sounds like a good idea.. says:

          until you have a problem and need to deal with it back here

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        • 190
          A person says:

          Yes, those steel teeth make you look really distinctive.

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        • 194
          White rabbit says:

          What did you need for god’s sake, a head transplant

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          • Technomist says:

            Decent dentistry.

            For people lucky enough to live in areas where the system has not yet collapsed entirely, you should not underestimate just how appalling the situation is in my part of London. It’s not just the dentists: there is not a single GP surgery currently accepting patients which is rated as even ‘average’, let alone above average in my borough (population now 250,000+ ). The local scandal-ridden hospital is downright dangerous, with ‘systemic failings’ to add to the documented dangers of being mistreated by the staff.

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        • 272
          Abdul Ramin says:

          I had always imagined that NHS hospitals in general could deal with all but the most specialised medical problems. I was therefore rather alarmed to discover that when my elderly mother ended up in hospital earlier this year there were no dental facilities available. That wasn’t the reason she was there – there were several far more pressing problems – but it left me wondering how exactly she is ever supposed to get dental treatment considering she’s virtually house-bound these days.

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          • Londoner says:

            The NHS no longer really cares about things like that. That is the truth of it. An utterly self-serving organisation. Sure , you will hear lots concerned platitudes, handwringing and guff about ‘holistic’ this and ‘community’ that, or ‘accessible’ the other but it is really just a load of nonsense.

            Like

          • Nurse Rachet says:

            £150 billion a year, great news, we get what we pay for. Nuke the bastards, its only immigrants that keep the NHS alive, yes sucking the blood out of it.

            Like

    • 138
      Flipping Expense Claims says:

      Never trust a politician. Whoever the incumbent is in your constituency, vote against them.

      Like

      • 483
        Anonymous says:

        Re the Dentist in Hospital, are you seriously saying there should be a fully equiped “normal” Dental service waiting around on the off chance your Mum might need them ? ive heard it all now !

        Like

    • 152
      Gordon McMetntal X MP still taking the dish though says:

      So long as they cause misery to you then job well done

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    • 204
      Where are Tony Blair's expenses says:

      The Tories can’t win in 2015

      1. No boundary changes

      2. Union modernisation fund still in place

      3. Pilgrims still in place

      4. UKIP trending at ~15 %, they cost the Tories 20 seats in 2010 with just 4% of the vote

      5. No EU referendum

      6. BBC totally any Conservative

      7. Local Conservative Associations are disintegrating, traditional Tory voters leaving in disgust at Camerons’ policies. At Eastleigh where they had nearly a year to prepare for the by-election; when campaigning started they didn’t even have an up to date voter list

      8. Public Spending still out of control

      9. Still uncontrolled immigration

      and the iceing on the cake – Gay Marriage

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      • 242
        Politics is a funny old business says:

        And YET Miliband can still only manage to poll 35% against Conservatives 28%…if the Conservatives enter 2014 with Labour’s lead still in single digits and the economy recovering and UKIP support falling away after their expected peak in May 2014 at European Elections and Scotland votes for Independence thus losing 40+ Labour Westminster MPs in March 2016 ANYTHING is possible with 18 months and 2 budgets to go..Milband could end up being largest party in May 2015 without a majority and lose power in March 2016 as Scotland leaves UK causing either a new Tory Government or an election…….the situation is that volatile

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      • 297
        Abdul the envelope stuffer in Lahore says:

        Postal voting, if you please Sir. Please do not be forgetting about the postal voting.

        Like

        • 547
          Barry Obarma says:

          lets neutron bomb the entire middle east and take control of all recourses we can use. They are sub human anyway.

          Like

  27. 121
    Its not called white city for nothing says:

    Radio 4 ran a feature this morning on Cocaine use amongst the middle classes and did an interview with a City type who hammered the stuff for ten years. I have no idea why they went all the way out to Canary Wharf to find a suitable interviewee when they could have simply took a walk along any of the corridors of Broadcasting house and found a whole host of users.

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    • 132
      FFS says:

      Presumably, after the Flowers incident, the Beeb is under command to promote cocaine use as part of the liberal-left agenda. They will thus give us daily doses of programmes demonstrating why cocaine should be made legal whilst simultaneously denouncing tobacco smoking as an evil worse than Ian Watkins.

      Like

    • 133
      John 'Snow' says:

      Or C4

      Like

    • 134
      Savile Row says:

      They can’t see the snow for the whitewash.

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  28. 139
    Joey (Essex) says:

    Come on Gideon, come and sit on the sofa in my freezing house and look at my electricity bill- £1,200 last winter quarter- and try and explain how £50.00 is going to improve things at all.

    Can I come and sit in YOUR house, warmed for free by the hapless tax payers [who are also facing huge price increases all round].
    The coalition are beyond inept, utterly uncaring, clueless and patronising.

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    • 146
      nellnewman says:

      Hear ! Hear !

      Like

      • 180
        Vote UKIP - it is your duty says:

        But, surely unless history has been rewritten again, it was Labour and Ed Miliband who introduced the 10% plus green energy poll tax that gets added to all our energy bills? So they must be even more inept, uncaring, clueless and patronising.

        Only UKIP has the answer to energy bills.

        Cut the green crap.

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    • 146
      Jimmy says:

      Good shout!

      Like

    • 156
      Left wing twat spotter says:

      1200 for a quarter WTF.???
      You need to cut back on the cannabis plant growing, move out of your 30 bed mansion or alternatively you could just be talking utter bollox again

      Like

    • 158
      Technomist says:

      Some people thing we would all feel warmer if we burned down a few politicians’ second homes. I think I would feel warmer knowing that our current crop of politicians had been sentenced to several years hard labour doing seful things like chopping firewood for the elderly or manufacturing cost effective solar panels.

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    • 167
      Fishy says:

      Put a jumper on.

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    • 168
      i don't n eed no doctor says:

      £1,200 per quarter. Do you live in a £2 million mansion, or have you no windows.

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    • 175
      freeze my tits off says:

      last winter we did the dinning room furniture and the children’s cots .. this year its the three piece suite and the kitchen table and chairs … after that I just don’t know what to burn next

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      • 189
        Vote UKIP - it is your duty says:

        Luxury. We had to burn our starving children’s christmas presents and go t’food bank for some soggy spaghetti, which just happens to be how Nigel Farage compares the Liblabcon-mens’ ways of slowing down the tide of the Romanian and Bulgarian invasion.

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    • 200
      Mrs White at number 55. says:

      I think you need to turn off the outside Christmas lights, your six plasmas, the all night kareoke and get your meter checked Joey. You are spending in one quarter what we spend over 4 years.

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    • 208
      White rabbit says:

      £1200 ! Blimey, you must be looking forward to the mansion tax as well.

      Like

    • 282
      Fuck the EU says:

      Pile some tires downwind of a government building and set them on fire.

      Will burn for ages – quite warm.

      Like

    • 395
      FFS says:

      £1200 just for electric for one quarter???? That’s ten times what I’m paying and I live in a 5 bed Barratt home.

      You’re Tony Blair and I claim my 50 quid.

      Oh, and get yourself some LED lamps for God’s sake Tony.

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    • 536
      DC says:

      A giant marrow up his arse would be nice.

      Like

  29. 144
    Guy News Room says:

    Several reports of pro-democracy activists being murdered by fascist blackshirts in Bangkok tonight. Western media ignoring this.

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  30. 149
    High Profile visitor, Ladies changing room says:

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  31. 155
    nellnewman says:

    On a scale of HIV to Stalin how bad is David Cameron?

    Like

  32. 159
    The 1922 Committee says:

    Sun News: It will be setting tonight and is expected to rise first thing in the morning

    Like

  33. 162
    Ed Miliband says:

    Watch this week for my slight of spin. Fall for my con speak. Ignore those that tell the truth that my freeze on energy prices will actually cost you money. Watch out for my next series of lies and deceit.

    Like

    • 393
      White rabbit says:

      I understand that when Blair had his portrait painted, even after many sittings the artist couldn’t get to the heart of his subject, couldn’t quite ‘get’ him
      No problem with you Ed.

      Like

  34. 165
    Joey (Essex) says:

    Croatia holds anti-gay marriage referendum

    http://rt.com/news/croatia-anti-gay-referendum-536/

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  35. 166

    It seems clear to me that we need a quadruple lock if, or when, Scotchland goes independent, because if the first referendum does not give the right result, they will keep on holding them until it happens. Once they are gone, we need to be very chary about inviting them back. I propose the following:

    1. Any re-admission to the UK will have to be voted on separately by the Scotch, the Welsh and the English. Every vote will have to be positive for it to happen.

    2. All Scotch then to be issued with North Korean passports and visa stays for 90 days. Any we don’t like can be deported.

    3. At their expense, a remake will be made of Braveheart which this time will have to be historically accurate. All Americans must watch it and the Scotch will have to ensure this – or no deal.

    4. All distilleries in Scotchland are to be made my property, free of any taxation and excise. I might let you lot have some, if you are all good.

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  36. 169
    gordon says:

    I watched latest ‘the fast & the furious’ last night, great film – looking forward to the next one.

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  37. 171
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Eastern european countries complaining about the UK’s proposed restrictions on benefit payments. These countries should be required to pay a bond of £5,000 per immigrant to the UK government, to be repaid after one year’s completion of tax payments etc.

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  38. 174
    Foreign Aid Budget Watch says:

    I don’t recall seeing this story in the British MSM today!

    India’s first mission to Mars blasts out of earth’s orbit
    http://rt.com/news/india-mars-mission-planet-547/

    Cameron is such a t’wat

    Anger as Britain still gives MORE foreign aid than any other G8 country

    h**p://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/408367/Anger-as-Britain-still-gives-MORE-foreign-aid-than-any-other-G8-country

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    • 184
      Dave Nice But Dim says:

      Giving away borrowed money is easy!

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    • 191
      Tosser Dave says:

      Don’t forget I’ve got a monthly deficit to maintain. I NEED to pay for India’s Mars Mission, and the Europlutocrats, otherwise I might underspend, heaven forbid.

      Like

      • 266
        Cold turkey says:

        … even though they made it very clear that they do not want our money – so wtf is Cameron going against the wishes of the elected Indian government?

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    • 232
      Dave from Witney says:

      I am immensely proud of the UK keeping its promise on International Aid

      Like

    • 269
      Former Chief Accountant says:

      Foreign aid is all about kickbacks

      Or “retrocommissions” as they are known in the business

      At least 5% of all foreign aid contract amounts are paid to various “agents” who then pass it on to the politicians of the donor country – usually offshore…

      It has been going on for YEARS (these “commissions” are atx deductible also)

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  39. 183
    scots like 'em built says:

    och its sunday … a time to relax and dream of nicola sturgeon

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  40. 192
    Salmonella says:

    She’s got nutcracker thighs, take it from me, I know.

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  41. 205
    What's it all about? says:

    I don’t quite get this ebay thing.

    Why would someone bid more for a factory second in the auction than it costs new from an online retailer complete with all the distance selling regulations and returns allowed until January? I’ve seen this a few times now and I doubt it is the seller bidding the price up.

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    • 214
      Capitalism says:

      If it isn’t the seller making the bid they should accept the offer and take the profit.

      Like

      • 219
        One bidder cheap, 2 or more and it gets expensive says:

        I think people just get carried away. They have a max price set in their head but they have probably been waiting days for the auction to end and when there are two or more at the end it becomes a contest and all reason goes out of the window.

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      • 225
        Yet Another Hidden Ebay Unpaid Item Case says:

        But will the winning bidder actually pay up?

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        • 228
          What's it all about? says:

          Odd you should say that. as I’ve also noticed the same item going round again after a silly bid.

          Is a winning bid not a binding contract then?

          Like

          • e*Bay says:

            Sssssh. Not on eBay it ain’t. But of course we don’t publicise that fact.

            We make it impossible for sellers to notify other users via feedback about non-paying winning bidders, without those sellers risking unpleasant and untrue counter feedback accusations from defaulting winning bidders.

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          • The law says:

            Of course it is. The problem is in enforcing the contract, but a legal contract it most certainly is.

            Like

          • e*Bay says:

            It may well be a binding contract in international law, but ebay seem to do little to enforce the contract other than emailing the defaulting bidder, and threatening the seller with the loss of commission paid on a non-completed sale if the seller doesn’t terminate the complaint within a certain period of time.

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    • 488
      Anonymous says:

      Money laundering?

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  42. 207
    The only Hetrosexual in the BBC village says:

    How come Ambridge village (The Archers) has more gayers per square inch than Brighton? What’s more all the gayers in Ambridge are nice people, everyone likes them and they are the bedrock of the village.

    Odd.

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  43. 209
    Blair, God told me to visit Wendi says:

    I missed this. Almost as good as Guido’s blog

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/27/blair-murdoch-god-visit-wendi

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  44. 210
    You see, debt can be written off! says:

    Iceland thumbs nose at international opposition to advance $1.2 billion debt relief plan

    http://rt.com/news/iceland-debt-relief-measure-535/

    Iceland’s government has announced that it will be writing off up to 24,000 euros ($32,600) of every household’s mortgage, fulfilling its election promise, despite overwhelming criticism from international financial institutions.

    Time to watch “Inside Job” again.

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  45. 218
    UKIP or bust says:

    History repeats itself.

    “Build no more fortresses, build railways,” ordered the elder Moltke who had laid out his strategy on a railway map and bequeathed the dogma that railways are the key to war. In Germany the railway system was under military control with a staff officer assigned to every line; no track could be laid or changed without permission of the General Staff. Annual mobilization war games kept railway

    officials in constant practice and tested their ability to improvise and divert traffic by telegrams reporting lines cut and bridges destroyed. The best brains produced by the War College, it was said, went into the railway section and ended up in lunatic asylums.”

    Manuel the democracy hating Commie demands we build the British leg of his USSR railway infrastructure, whatever the cost (which includes seven major rivers to be diverted and 19 ancient woodlands to be chopped down) and we foot the bill.

    Will dave do FA about it?

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  46. 221
    The British media are cunts says:

    Are we really supposed to believe the MSM didn’t know about Wendi M*rd0ch and Bliar?

    Yet aonther story covered up by the media that cannot be trusted.

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  47. 223
    BBC Prioritising says:

    BBC News “Drone Kills 32 in P@kistani wedding party in targetting error.”

    That’s it.

    BBC News “Police Helicopter accident kills 8 in Glasgow pub”

    Three days later still their number one news headline.

    And you can forget all about motorway crashes unless it is Armageddon proportions.

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    • 233
      BBC supports Scottish Independence although it will finish off their buddies....Labour says:

      Most of the BBC is staffed by Scots

      Like

    • 234
      Bringer of doom says:

      Thanks for that.

      Like

    • 237
      Murdoch Press Prioritising says:

      Celesbian spotting

      Bums amd tits

      Bomb Iran

      War war

      Omerta about Blair banging the Capo’s wife

      Like

      • 391
        Tony Blair says:

        If the Sun says Vote Labour I will shag your trophy wife I will award you preferential broadcasting rights and help you get into China and shag your trophy wife.

        Like

    • 239
      ObamadronesRus says:

      The number of P’akistani wedding parties hit by accidental drone strikes is staggering!

      Like

      • 259
        AWKD.. Air to Wedding Killer Drone says:

        It’s like they are fitted with a special P@kistani wedding party guidance feature.

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        • 290
          Casual Observer 4 says:

          The P’akistan government support the drone strikes, and invite the US to do them.

          Their silence is deafening, unlike the retarded liberal left who clearly don’t get it.

          Like

        • 356
          The new I-Drone says:

          We’d-Zap-App..

          Participants – Single player or wedding party?
          Music – Bridal march on / off
          Difficulty – Easy / medium/ unlimited drone strikes

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        • 511
          Guest. says:

          ………………………and so they should be.

          Like

      • 550
        GW says:

        The more the merrier]

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    • 268
      Andy Burnham says:

      Just imagine the headlines if a load of patients were to be killed by the NHS

      Like

      • 357
        Left wing media, the BBC and ed Milliband looking for nearest bandwagon says:

        Just imagine the headlines if a load of patients were to be killed by the NHS

        …and the Tories had been in government

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  48. 235
    Bin Effiz Khalidmen says:

    It is loving it I am !

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    • 240
      Traitor Blair says:

      Thank you for highligting my policy on immigrants

      I always wanted to fuck the British people along with my ganster henchmen

      But all my foreign friends pay me a fortune for it all

      Especially my illegal wars

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      • 321
        Mornington Crescent says:

        “I always wanted to fuck the British people along with my ganster henchmen”

        …and Wen Di D3ng (allegedly).

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    • 287
      Fuck the EU says:

      Those properties would burn very well and generate lots of heat.

      The less demand for limited resource should reduce energy costs for the non immigrant population.

      Like

    • 320
      Carry Hole is a porcine homunculus says:

      I think you mean 500,000 immigrants have boosted rents!

      Wonderful for wealth of the political classes, terrible for the country.

      Like

    • 463
      M102 says:

      Lovely t!ts britishbullybee

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    • 551
      alf says:

      O FFS lets have a hunting day, and eliminate these fucking bastards.

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  49. 238

    Vince is playing Banks again.

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  50. 246
    Lord Haw-Haw says:

    Germany calling, Germany calling!

    Ze English roadsigns vust be replaced so German cars can scan them; your feeble Home Guard will not confuse ze invincible German machines!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/road-safety/10486585/Britains-road-signs-could-disappear-under-EU-plans.html

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  51. 247
    Cunning plan says:

    Buy up cheap property and land in Bulgaria and Romania, then when their immigrants have milked our system dry, and then return home, sell them the assets you have acquired at a vast profit.

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    • 264
      The Locals says:

      We will steal your property right down the the last fixture and fitting

      Like

    • 279
      Casual Observer 4 says:

      The problem with that plan is that gas and gold miners are already there.

      Especially in R’omania – Once the R’oma scum is picking pockets in L’ondon, the mining and fracking companies are going to raise their villages.

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  52. 255
    BBC NEWS says:

    Ukraine protesters storm Kiev city council

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25176191

    The picture though is just four youngsters looking stupid. Like it was when they matched in London over tuition fees.

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  53. 273
    The £12 million award came shortly after Miriam Clegg had hosted a lavish reception for the charity says:

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    • 276
      Casual Observer 4 says:

      Speaking of cover up, why hasn’t the M’cCann girl been found yet ?

      Perhaps Barosso did steal her after all, and perhaps this was in some screwed up way tied to the treaty of Lisbon ?

      P’ortugal needs to clean up its p’edophile problem.

      Perhaps the sense that this issue could split UK-P’ortugal is another reason the Span!sh are getting so uppity about G’ibraltar. If UK-P’ortugal relations deteriorated it would make access to G’ibraltar and the Med perhaps more difficult for the UK.

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      • 292
        Barra Boy says:

        You don’t ‘alf write a load of tosh on ‘ere, even for a Sunday afternoon with nothing much else to do, what with it bein cold out an’ all.

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        • 295
          shumpeter on high says:

          Oh yes every morning the Spaniards and Portuguese wake up their first thought is “oh those poor poor English , what can we do today to lighten that chip on their shoulders ?” .

          I think not.

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          • Casual Observer 4 says:

            In defense of the average S’pan!sh and P’ortuguese their first thoughts for many on getting up each morning is how to get rid of their governments and how to fix their economies. Perhaps even exiting the Euro is on the breakfast conversation menu.

            The English are not number one priority, except perhaps in the tourist towns which depend on them.

            Their governments are a different matter. Spa!n is looking to screw the UK in any way it can at the moment as they want to distract their people from revolutionary ideas.

            P’ortugal realize that things with the M’cCann case are screwed up and just want the thing to go away.

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        • 303
          Casual Observer 4 says:

          The Algarve is strategically very important to the UK, as is the UK’s good relationship with P’ortugal.

          Someone is clearly trying to break this, and both the UK and P’ortugal have been put in a very awkward position over the M’cCann.

          Coincidences do not happen – and the disappearance coincident with Lisbon that year are perhaps not totally disconnected. If she was stolen to order by a G’erman outfit and has been held in Southern G’ermany – perhaps close to Munich – it would not surprise me.

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          • Easy on the white stuff chum says:

            You are clearly stoned out of your box

            Delirious

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          • Questioner says:

            Yes, Easy, definitely a loony. And of course we all know what happened to the girl, and so do the Portugese police. And the parents. But you need hard evidence which has not been found.

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    • 286
      Cherie Blair, expensive 'human rights' lawyer famous for no great cases anyone can remember says:

      Ah, the horrid stink of corruption and malfeasance in public office. Best avoided.

      My advice to any politician whose wife is a lawyer is to make sure anyone who wants to talk to you privately considers instructing her instead.

      Such conversations are legallly privileged and the totality of the customer’s fee is tax deductible.

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      • 335
        Court observer says:

        And don’t forget that the brother of Blair is a QC and the brother of Cameron as well

        So expert advice within the family on making dealings look legal

        And Alex Cameron’s Chambers are defending our Rebekah and Champagne Charlie Brooks

        Wheels within wheels

        Legal shysters breaking and twisting the spirit of the law

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      • 340
        Jack says:

        That would apply to our fragrant Justine Milliband as well

        Decidedly, we are surrounded by this lawyer filth

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  54. 285
    Fuck the EU says:

    Winter heating tips:

    Burn the EU flag.

    Like

    • 291
      Delboy says:

      I heard a rumor that Osborne is going to tax wooly jumpers next week.

      Like

      • 294
        Fuck the EU says:

        EU VAT harmonization. Another reason to burn the EU flag – preferably whilst it is still attached to the building.

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        • 323
          Carry Hole is a porcine homunculus says:

          Tax cartelisation…

          nothing harmonious about government extortion.

          Like

          • Fuck the EU says:

            The fiscal Union is being approached by stealth, but not addressing the fundamental problem that multi-nationals can operate within the UK whilst paying very low rates of tax on their operating revenues in other member states, thus depriving the exchequer of revenue.

            That displacement will lead to a disproportionate additional tax burden on individuals within the disadvantaged member state, unless the governments of those states drastically reduce their spending.

            Some very good economic reasons to exit the EU there.

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  55. 288
    Incapable Vince, deputy Chief Cockroach says:

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    • 293
      Yvonne from the Colliers Arms Clydach says:

      When I was brought up I was taught that it is rude to point.

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    • 325
      Carry Hole is a porcine homunculus says:

      It used to with Schedule A tax.

      Now it has much more harmful Income taxes.

      Capitalists (Adam Smith, David Ricardo) support Land Value taxation. Marx hated it.

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  56. 304
    The 1922 Committee says:

    BREAKING NEWS- Tories sack David Cameron.

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    • 308
      Hold the bunting says:

      You tease. :-)

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    • 311
      nellnewman says:

      If only.

      Like

    • 324
      If Only says:

      How I wish. There would be no need for UKIP either which is a bit sad but an enlightened Tory leader would welcome the able ones into the party

      Like

    • 347
      Hold my dick Diamonds says:

      Cameron is on the way to China to give them lessons in morality with, among others, bankers who have been fined billions for money laundering etc

      How the Chinese will laugh when they hear Bullingdon Dave telling them how to behave

      Like

      • 385
        Casual Observer 4 says:

        He should take Rev Flowers over. Flowers would be an interesting specimen for the Ch!nese to dissect.

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  57. 312
    Good question says:

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  58. 313
    Vote UKIP or else wot? says:

    Minister claimed £6,000 expenses for London hotel stays despite having his OWN £1million flat just 15 minutes’ walk from Parliament

    Tory Cabinet minister Andrew Lansley declared dozens of overnight stays
    Yet he owns a Georgian home in Pimlico, just a mile from Parliament
    Mr Lansley’s constituency home is also just a 50-minute train ride away
    Records show Mr Lansley has not rented out his London property

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516338/Minister-claimed-6-000-expenses-London-hotel-stays-despite-having-OWN-1million-flat-just-15-minutes-walk-Parliament.html#ixzz2mFDLGQTP
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

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  59. 322
    Not a PC LESBIAN DIVERSIFIED LEFTY MARXIST with a Common Purpose. says:

    Last week three things were said that in this stupid PC lefty world we are not supposed to say but they are FACT.

    There are certain days of the month when women should not be driving helicopters.

    Some people are more intelligent than others.

    The P@kistani system is full of corruption.

    There said it.

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  60. 330
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Oh, FFS, are we now going to have a constant drip-drip roll call of the v1ctims of the Glasgow crash for the next 10 days? Seriously?

    Who cares what their names are, except the prurient mongs who ‘read’ the Daily Mail? Seriously – what difference does it make to the man in the street whether a v1ctim is called John Smith or Fred Bloggs?

    Leave ‘em in p’eace, FFS.

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    • 337
      The British media are cunts says:

      Because it’s a way for the British media to distract the proles from the real stories. Go to RT or Al-Jazeera to be free of this shite.

      you think the media coverage is bad not wait until Victoria Derbyshire starts for the BBC tomorrow and Kay Burley starts waving body parts around, saying “is this your son?”

      What I got a sense of last night was Radio 5 just gagging to turn this crash into an anti Tory story, there was some shite about how “cuts” to public services could make such incidents more likely or something.

      more shite from the BBC as usual.

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    • 513
      Guest. says:

      Who really, really, cares WHY the helo crashed?
      It just did- shit happens.

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  61. 336
    The Ukranians are revolting says:

    It is all very interesting what you say about women’s menstual cycles and flying helicopters but what is the link between Pakistan and a Friday night out in a Glasgow pub?

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  62. 339
    Clegg Takes a Joint says:

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    • 344
      Twaty says:

      Err no Nick. It’s called a pair of Twats.

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    • 348
      I agree with Nick says:

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      • 352
        Joss Ayinglike says:

        Liberal Democrats – the biggest waste of space and money ever known to mankind.

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      • 358
        The lost Cause says:

        All through their wilderness years, the followers of the LibDem tribe called out for an EU referendum. Then it came to pass that they were given the chalice of power and they dropped all mention of a referendum that was now theirs to grant.

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        • 420
          FFS says:

          And the Lord did smite the evil followers of Clegg. And then he rose them up, just so he could smite them again. And then, just for a laugh, he rose them up a third time and this time he smote them really fecking hard.

          For verily, I say unto thee, the LibDem is a corrupt and evil wanker, whose only interest is getting into the local council to find out when Tesco are planning to build in their local town in the hope of making money out of it someway.

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        • 422
          Nick has form for electoral fakery says:

          Hence their activitsts abandonning them. The LibDems have ceased to exist on the ground in many parts of the country.

          The next election will mainly be fought by the LibDems using paid for leaflet drops and outsources call centres, some of them in India. A tiny group of ‘activists’ will be recycled and bussed from astro-turfed event to astroturfed event, some of their meetings requiring agencies to put bums on seats for them.

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        • 433
          Campaign for Real Democracy and Free Europe says:

          If you read that flyer properly you can see that the LibDums were spouting a load of bollocks even then. First, it is the EU that is the issue, not Europe. Second, the UK has NEVER been allowed a referendum on the EU. Back in the days of the traitorous Heath, we had a referendum which was supposedly concerned with something called the EEC, not the EU. In those days the EU dared not speak its name because it knew it would be rejected. Since then it has usurped power by stealth, lies and deception.
          All those who fought for our freedom in WW2 must recoil in horror at the thought that the battles they thought they had won ultimately counted for so little.

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  63. 351
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

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  64. 354
    UKIP or bust says:

    This time last year the Euro was on the brink of colapse, talk of a Greese exit from said Euro, and Italy were looking like going under, so what happend?

    All of a sudden the problems of the colapsing Euro and the riots in these countries were no longer important enough for the BBC to mention.

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    • 363
      Beeboid leftie says:

      They are in a worse situation than ever please note the riot a starting in some capitals. However according to Das Beobachter Broadcasting corporation BBC the only country in the EU that’s fecked is us. Go figure?

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  65. 360
    Is Chuka shagging Councillor Peck? says:

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  66. 366
    Benito I am Itatliam you know says:

    Why didn’t the English and americans let the german person carry on eradicating the chosen race and the romas and the slavs, he would of got round to the muzzies sooner or later. What a different world it would be.

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    • 376
      TimeDisplacement says:

      Not really – just a “Variant” of what you see now.

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    • 377
      Casual Observer 4 says:

      G’ermany was aligned with the muzzies during the war. !ran was a major oil supplier. It was breaking those supply lines which was very important in stopping the NSDAP war machine where it got to.

      The UK/US intervention was nothing to do with saving J’ews.

      UK was protecting its own interests principally, and the US came in on the side of the UK when it became clear that G’ermany was going to lose: Neither the US or UK wished to see Western Europe overrun by Russ!a.

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      • 397
        Winston Churchill says:

        “!ran was a major oil supplier.”

        Are you quite sure Iran existed during WW2? Because I’m not.

        “UK was protecting its own interests principally”

        You don’t say? Well, I never.

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          Casual Observer 4 says:

          Iran existing during WWII. It became the !slamic Republic in 1980.

          Standard Oil of New Jersey was the main supply company to the NSDAP. The UK Naval blockade of !ran shut down !ran-G’erman supply lines first, then Soviet demand ended the use of their rail network after an attempt to re-establish the supply line.

          Before 1921, ie. before the English withdrew, C’hurchill would have had question. During WWII British influence was much reduced in the country.

          The point to the above original question is that the NSDAP would not have eradicated the muzzies. When one understands what !ran itself means this becomes perhaps clear.

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          • FFS says:

            Hitler admired Islam. He considered it to be a much tougher and more visceral religion compared to Christianity which he thought of as being wishy-washy.

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  67. 372
    Boazy says:

    This blog ought to “close its doors” on Sunday.
    Its full of dog-shite

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  68. 373
    Mornington Crescent says:

    An illegal 1mmigrant so undesirable that even his home country doesn’t want him back:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25173797

    Why don’t we have special repatriation drones? No, seriously. Strap the Huhnes in for the duration of the flight (if they need the lavs, just soil themselves – serves ‘em right for taking the piss out of us in the first place) and if their home country refuses to let ‘em land, just flick the Off button.

    You watch – 1mm1gration would dry up overnight.

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  69. 374
    Tristram Hunt(Prime Minister Designate) says:

    What do you think the odds are that the Conservatives are riddled with brainwashed, “leading beyond authority” Common Purpose SPADS ?

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  70. 392
    Casual Observer 4 says:

    The new P’ope has outed himself as a communist in an attack on Capitalism:

    http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html

    Quite long, but it seems that this P’ope is problematic.

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    • 394
      Breaking News! says:

      “Man who worships invisible magic sky fairy turns out to be a f*cking cretin.”

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    • 419
      Small businessman says:

      Here is an interesting take on what Francis is really all about

      http://egnorance.blogspot.fr/2013/10/pope-francis-communism-and-taking-back.html

      The usual New York Times/Americian Spectator and other pagan media produce their normal lies and spin and should be ignored…typical superficial western media crap

      But there is a really serious point behind all of this

      Capitalism has just been through a Near Death Experience

      The Western capitalist system had to be bailed out by trillions from central banks/government (which has yet to be paid down) – which looks like pure state socialist intervention to me

      You have to be of remarkable bad faith not to recognise that

      So can we create a capitalist system which does not collapse periodically and have to be bailed out by governments?

      And is it moral in any sense of the word that a very small minority (bankers – most of whom were acting criminally as is now becoming clear) can pillage the financial system and walk away unscathed from it when it collapses, leaving the ordinary taxpayer to pick up the gigantic bills?

      I am a small capitalist and find this system obscene

      There must be a better way

      To use your word, the current system is “problematic”…

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      • 427
        FFS says:

        Well it sure as hell ain’t socialism. They have worse recessions than capitalist countries.

        Can we create a capitalist system that doesn’t collapse periodically? Yes. We do it the Swiss way with strict limits on the amount of debt that can be created by banks. That’s why the Swiss Franc is so popular. But the politicians wouldn’t like it – they love debt to fund their crazy schemes without us clicking on to what they are doing. The media wouldn’t like it – too dull. The City wouldn’t like it – too stable.

        Only the people would like it. And what the hell have we ever mattered?

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        • 441
          Small businessman says:

          The Swiss authirities had to bail out UBS – so what the hell are you talking about?

          CRedit Suisse was also “assisted” by SNB

          And Swiss banks and the Swissie are/were popular because all the tax evaders of the world
          Stuffed hundreds of billions in numbered accounts etc as youmknow!

          A beggar my neighbour policy writ large

          So a radically reformed capitalsm is necessay – we agree- but the banks are still too big to fail and to jail…

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    • 429
      Hold my dick Diamond says:

      Criticising the recent collapse of the capitalist system does not make anyone a Communist

      Indeed I would argue that supporting the current system which has to be saved periodically by central banks and governments is a per verted form of socialism

      Put that in your pipe and smoke it…

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  71. 396
    Toss Daily says:

    According to the Telegraph Gideon is convinced that he will succeed David Cameron after the 2015 Election. As there will only be 200 Tory MP’s left he probably has as good a chance as any other.

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    • 399
      Independent troll says:

      Osborne is nothing but a piece of verminous lying Tory scum. He has made the abject poor, sick, disabled, dying and aged pay for the criminal actions of the equally verminous parasitic bankers who have brought the western world to its financial knees with the help of traitorous politicians and covered up by our treacherously dishonest mogul controlled media. They are all doing lasting damage to our country and its people and are proud of their betrayal.

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      • 407
        Dreaming of the new Liebour world says:

        Of course 13 years of Liebour tamed these equally verminous parasitic bankers and Brown saved the world and we all lived happily ever after, this country and it’s people are living rich beautiful lives where after saving the world Brown bestowed the billions he made on the gold when he sold it at the top of the gold market and goods and energy is now the cheapest in Europe and Vat is now 2.5%, I think you will find LaLa land next door.

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    • 401
      nellnewman says:

      Did Osborne become Chancellor of the Exchequer due to his intellectual ability and deep knowledge of economics? Don’t think so.

      He got the job from his mate Cameron after he had been gifted an ultra-safe Tory seat

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      • 415
        Keep Calm, Vote UKIP says:

        Would be funny if it came out the Osborne paid Flowers or the camera man on that taped drug stunt in order to distract from the Natalie Rowe book.

        Vote UKIP.

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      • 418
        (optional) says:

        Class snobbery is alive and well in the “nasty party.”

        The Tory philosophy:

        “We,” the privileged, are entitled to power, wealth and all the opportunities in life as a birthright!

        Joe Public – the plebs and oiks – are only there to do “our” bidding, to keep us in the manner in which we are accustomed. Oh, and to vote for us when required.

        Tory MP Tim Yeo has been deselected. After 20 years in a safe seat, which he probably thinks is his God-given right, he’ll probably soon become Lord Yeo

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    • 411
      A non emouse says:

      :-)

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  72. 408
    Windi Ding says:

    I love long time Mr Tony’s weapon of ass-destruction!

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  73. 409

    Is it Osborne’s case that a low IQ is an advantage, then?

    We should be told.

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    • 412
      Casual Observer 4 says:

      It is an advantage if there is not going to be any significant demand put upon your cognitive skills and exist in a society where ignorance is considered a valid defense under law.

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      • 464

        The problem with both Osborne and Cameron is that they are trying to be like Tony Blair, years after Blair’s due date ran out.

        Not caring a fig about their natural support base, they only want to appeal to the fickle from the other side who are unlikely to vote for them anyway.

        Enoch Powell and Margaret Thatcher both managed to reach over the political divide. Powell had the support of the dockers (to the embarrassment of the modern Labour movement) and Thatcher had an appeal to a great many working class people who were fed up with the strikes and misuse of union power (the very thing that is creeping back in today).

        Powell was unlucky because Heath won and ditched him. Thatcher in turn ditched Heath in a fair contest in 1975.

        If one learns from history, it is not difficult to see that attempting to ape an out of date leader from the opposite party is never going to produce any worthy result. Most of the politicians in any of the parties, but particularly the Conservatives, are totally unaware of this.

        Perhaps they would tell us what it is they are attempting to deny?

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  74. 413
    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    Look 8:00 minutes in on this video, a very interesting graph that explains a lot.
     
     

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  75. 421
    Schrodinger's other cat, seldom heard from says:

    I wonder what sort of IQ is required to be a towel-folder in Selfridges!

    Osborne says, “You should be able to achieve equality of opportunity,” through gritted teeth. He knows full well that his children and those of his privileged friends have greater “opportunity” in life than the rest of us.

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    • 480

      Go and tell that to Paul Sykes, the son of a miner and who left school with no qualifications. He is now worth £650m all from his own efforts. He has just given £1.5m to UKIP whilst not even bothering to join them.

      Your point about the IQ necessary to fold towels is misplaced. At least Osborne did that. Would you have done? You are perhaps implying that there is something demeaning in folding towels?

      For my own part, I delivered milk for Unigate Dairies for eight months and I also washed cars before my career took off. What is more, I enjoyed doing both as they were positive moves to getting re-established in the manner I wished to go. No shame in that!

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      Go and tell that to Pаul Sykes, the son of a miner and who left school with no qualifications. He is now worth £650m all from his own efforts. He has just given £1.5m to UKIP whilst not even bothering to join them.

      Your point about the IQ necessary to fold towels is misplaced. At least Osborne did that. Would you have done? You are perhaps implying that there is something demeaning in folding towels?

      For my own part, I delivered milk for Unigate Dairies for eight months and I also washed cars before my career took off. What is more, I enjoyed doing both as they were positive moves to getting re-established in the manner I wished to go. No shame in that!

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      • 496
        south of the M4 says:

        It matters not how you earn your crust – as long as you earn it and don’t sponge it. I have friends who earn a good living being a doctor, others who make sandwiches and others who will do anything to fix your house problems. All of them are brilliant at what they do and all of them are proud of what they do. And they all fund themselves and take nothing from the tax payer. These are the people I want to know and these are the people who should be the future of the UK.

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        • 500

          Thanks. I know few (if any) positive people who don’t enjoy what they are doing (whatever it is) and, as a result, do it much better than the others who do the same work under sufferance. As you say, it matters not what they do.

          They are all the people of who you speak. The problem is, will the government, the unions, the pen pushers of the bloated state and other despicables allow them just to get on and do what they are good at?

          At the moment there are too many people whose whole job in life is to tell others: You can’t do that!

          Fuck them!

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  76. 431
    Anonymous says:

    Ed Balls not a nightmare at home, says wife Yvette Cooper

    Well he’s a fucking nightmare any where near the nations finances

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    • 446
      Fishy says:

      When I left school with just a few ‘O’ Levels, and started work (in a job that would require a masters degree now), my first boss was a complete and absolute bastard. He was an unreasonable ignorant bully who ruled the office by terror.

      At the Christmas party, he introduced us to his wife. She was a fearsome cow. All night he followed her round like a meek little lapdog, every demand she made was met with subservience as he grovelled at her feet.

      I suspect things aren’t that much different in Chateau Testiclode

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  77. 432
    One Term Dave says:

    My Christmas gift to the British people is a BIG PROMISE to be tough on immigration.

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    • 438
      Dodgy Dave, a hard act to follow says:

      Wonga
      Bedroom Tax
      Andy Coulson
      Rebekah Brooks
      Food Banks
      Raisa
      Leon Brittan
      Peter Morrison
      HS2
      Osborne’s paddock scam
      Children left in the pub
      43 Government U-turns
      Minimum alcohol pricing
      Anthony Bamford
      Adrian Beecroft
      Michael Spencer
      Lord Green
      Cigarette packaging & Lynton Crosby
      Fracking & Lynton Crosby
      Peter Cruddas
      Lying under oath at Leveson
      The promotion of Esther McVey
      Escalating government debt
      Royal Mail selloff price scandal

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  78. 437
    y says:

    yeo’s not the only one who should go

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-minister-andrew-lansley-claims-2871089

    what is it about tory ministers?????????

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  79. 439
    Labour wrong and wrong again don't vote for them says:

    If you were wondering why balls and cooper were running round the studios then look no further…

    Autumn Statement 2013: UK growth upgrade hits record
    The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) – the Government’s independent fiscal watchdog – is likely to upgrade its projection for UK growth in 2013 to 1.4pc, from a forecast of 0.6pc in March

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/budget/10486425/Autumn-Statement-2013-UK-growth-upgrade-hits-record.html

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    • 443
      Labour wrong and wrong again don't vote for them says:

      And there’s more

      Britain’s growth prospects will be upgraded by the largest margin in more than a decade this week, as the Chancellor delivers his Autumn Statement against the brightest economic backdrop since the Coalition took power in 2010.

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      • 445
        Labour wrong and wrong again don't vote for them says:

        And more

        “We believe this Government has shown great resolve against much opposition and much criticism from powerful institutions like the International Monetary Fund and others,” Moritz Kraemer, chief rating officer at Standard & Poor’s, told The Sunday Telegraph.

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        • 455
          It's logic, Captain, but not as you know it says:

          I’ve always been intrigued by that name, ‘Standard & Poor’.
          Whatever happened to ‘Excellent and Rich’ ?
          Is it that the old admirals died out and only the ratings were left ?

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  80. 444
    Amomentintime says:

    Why on earth would one want to work for a society where only 1% gain 99% of the wealth – who love to play war games, banking games, producing rubbish that nobody wants and which then goes to landfill, whose morals and ethics are based on control, control, control.?

    If this 1% are so brilliant how have they managed to created and administer a world where violence of thought and action appear to be a virtue and cut-glass accents an unfortunate by product (in any language).

    I consider that we, the rest of humanity, have been and probably will continue to be very understanding of the 1% who have to battle with their psychological problems. They don’t even know they are in pain because they are so cut off from the result of their actions and how that might affect the rest of us.

    The sad ones are the sycophants who could know better but choose to mimic in demeanour who they think are their betters, both in style of language and aspirations and end up being laughed at by everyone

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    • 453
      The love of money is the root of all evil. says:

      Yep that’s the problem with Lefties. They believe wealth is success, they believe wealth is all and the key to happiness.

      I’m just thankful that many still, mainly of the right, believe that serving is the sign of success. Take Mrs Thatcher, she saw her great role in life was to serve her country and not pursue personal wealth, now take Tony Blair.

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    • 454
      The Lunatic Fringe says:

      Our Assessment: Psychopaths Rule The World

      http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/05/29/our-assessment-psychopaths-rule-the-world/

      They often gravitate towards positions of power and wealth…

      “The mental health profession is diagnosing millions of people per year with various conditions, but what happens when those same clinical psychologists turn their clipboards towards of politicians, lawyers and CEO’s”

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    • 462
      JadedJean says:

      An interesting post Amomentintime @441

      Two articles written just before the Credit Crunch with the recommendation that they be read together:

      http://tinyurl.com/ldtnob

      h**p://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/oct2007/usa-o16.shtml

      The suggestion is that most of us dismally fail to put things together which we should, and that we make completely the wrong inferences instead.

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      • 471

        OK.

        Suppose we do put things together and we decide it is nicer to be in the 1% than in the 99%.

        Suppose we go out there and work our butts off to improve the position of our families, meanwhile watching the more feckless in the community working much less hard and spending their spare time frivolously.

        Suppose we then get to a state where we are worth ten times, or a hundred times, or a thousand times more than the other guy who refused to try.

        Suppose all that.

        How are we going to deal with the hardworking people fairly by saying: You have more than these other unfortunates. That is wrong and unjust. We are going to take away what you have and give it to them.

        How, in the name of reason, can you justify that?

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        • 476
          i don't n eed no doctor says:

          It’s the way of the socialist. There is no reason, just a denial from people like Miliband and Balls. You cannot argue with these people, they do not listen, they only want to hear the socialist mantra.

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        • 477

          You are right SC. In this day and age even a mid-ranking chap working in a bank can retire to sunnier places when he is turned down for promotion again!

          You should be proud of the assistant manager job that you managed to get, and not sorry about that elusive manager’s job that you could not quite secure. I know that you are prepared to lie about what I did in order to big up yourself (for instance the extraordinary story that I got my Master’s ticket in the RN). However, I am proud of what you accomplished.

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          • You are obsessed with branch banking probably because you have never seen any other part of a bank.

            I have never been an assistant manager to anyone. I was a clerk, a cashier, a securities clerk, a foreign clerk, a head cashier, a chief clerk (equivalent post), a manager, an executive with regional responsibilities, then a director (age 33), then managing director (age 39).

            Later I left the warmth of the corporate environment and worked as consultant to major players. That increased my earnings several times over without the flimsy comfort of a grand title and a name on a door, neither of which turn me on.

            I could only survive because people were prepared to pay for the technical knowledge which I had to offer. Nobody held a gun to their heads.

            Then in 1997, Labour came to power and that was the beginning of the end. At some point towards the end of 2000, it was apparent that the only business that the banks really wanted to do was sub-prime, where they believed the profits were greater. It took seven years for them to find out that they were wrong.

            Seven years of doing bad business means that you are set to lose a lot of money. I don’t have to tell you the outcome. You are paying for it. So am I. So is every other person who comes on this site. Our host is paying for it too, as are his colleagues.

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        • 484
          retardEd Miliband says:

          I got my £2million houth without doing any real worth whatthover!

          And I don’t have to pay the thpare room thubthidy!

          Thothialithm ith thuper!

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        • 508
          JadedJean says:

          @468

          This is because cognitive ability (intelligence) is, like so many biological phenotypes, fundamentally genetic, and is therefore Normally
          (Gaussian) Distributed. Those who keep pushing equality and “everyone-who-wants-to-get-on-can-if-they-try-regardless-of-their-starting-position” try to hide the truth of the above, even though it is obvious to science given a) that we can’t improve ability through education and b) we have evidence all about us of inequality.

          There are books and courses everywhere promising to deliver what there’s no evidence for, i.e raise this or that ability, like the far more obvious scams. There is no evidence at all that this can be done, just selection of those who turn out that way in the treatment groups in the first place regardless of the alleged “special input”. But one finds people spending money on promises throughout our consumer society which is free to fork out on “cosmetics” as a consequence of persuasive advertising, and self-loathing which is often peddled by much the same merchants.

          The alternative is to recognise diversity and to protect people from predators via regulation, but for that to ever be viable, people have to be encouraged to accurately recognise and acknowledge their natural limitations in the first place, and not pretend that they are something which they are not.

          The basic behaviour which is ruthlessly exploited, and which is sadly incorrigible, is human vanity/pride.

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          • It is curious but sometimes I disagree strongly with you and at others, such as here, I feel broad agreement.

            There is a danger of conflating two or more points. Hard work is a habit that may be innate or acquired, contains a moderate degree of intelligence (but often no more than that) and often involves being prepared to do routine or humdrum tasks, maybe alongside other more interesting work.

            Intelligence is, as you say, fundamentally genetic, does not necessarily exist alongside the will to work hard, but can be refined with experience and training. An intelligent person should pick up a process easier than a less intelligent one. Indeed they might even find a better way to conduct that process.

            To speak of IQ being a sufficient measure of intelligence is generally accepted to be mistaken, it only measures one specific aspect and does not take into account the applied aspects that make the difference in a working situation. Such situation will become more financially rewarding (amongst other measures of fulfilment) and thus will disparities arise in income and wealth.

            Even these last two categories can mislead as there are those who can make a good income but fail to keep any of it (not my understanding of what being an intelligent person means) or gradually accumulate wealth so that they can pay for their old age, bring up their dependants better and perhaps also leave the world a better place than they found it.

            But back to the issue. How can one measure the intelligence of those about which you speak? How is someone to know that they should not be attempting X or Y because such task goes beyond their natural limitations, as you put it? What criteria of judgement can you employ in assessing either the intelligence or the task to be undertaken? There appears to be no calculus for this.

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      Casual Observer 4 says:

      There is a problem with a certain psychopathic type which seems to have come to dominate the upper echelons of most societies.

      Most of the rest of what you outline is the project of this reality which many are happy to watch flicker away on their cave wall.

      The trick would be to find a way to replace those who are projecting this reality without actually becoming them. This is perhaps beyond the current level of human development and in any case will require a major cull to achieve.

      The reality of being in the herd is that there are haves and have nots and going against nature is not a good survival strategy.

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      • 516

        A danger here is the actual problem of possessing far sight. The better developed one’s sense of it, the smaller sample of people will exist who can appreciate its worth. To the others, the inability to understand leads to fear and this is then directed back to the far sighted person in the form of hate and even personal attack.

        Of course, this has been the case throughout history and Socrates, Aristotle, Galileo Galilei and countless others are a prime examples, either paying with their lives, having to flee their place of work or not publishing within their own lifetimes works which would have been of inestimable value to the human race.

        It seems the case that the human race will only allow its own to develop at a certain pace. There should be a word to describe this unfortunate phenomenon but, if there is, I know not of it.

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        • 519
          Podiceps says:

          There may not be a word for the phenomenon, but there is a figure who personifies it: Cassandra, daughter of King Priam of Troy. She was given the gift of accurate prophecy by the god Apollo in an attempt to seduce her; when she failed to yield to him, he added a curse — that her true prophecies would never be believed.

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          • As always, you are quite correct. Mentioned in the Illiad, the Odyssey, Aeschylus’ Agamemnon and Euripides’ Troades and Electra. Also Lycophron’s troublesome Alexandra and Virgil’s Aeneid.

            All these references and no one thought of a name to characterise it. Very strange.

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  81. 460
    Fresh Prince Tony Blair says:

    Got a get jiggy with it ;-)


    After Major I.S. if you need a lift
    Who’s the kid in the drop
    Who else T Blair
    Livin’ that life some consider a myth
    Rock from Glasgow to Islington
    Women used to tease me
    Give it to me now nice and easy
    Since I moved up like Wendi Deng
    Cream to the maximum I be askin’ ‘em
    Would you like to bounce with the brother that’s platinum ?

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  82. 467
    Carpet Muncher Trial says:

    Blimey. That Celesbian has cracked up in the Jungle.

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  83. 499
    altruism in industry says:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-25156510

    this means that society can make individuals that it wants by thinking about it.

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  84. 503
    They Don't Care says:

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    • 505
      Casual Observer 4 says:

      If people keep complaining about old people dying of thirst on the NHS / in care homes, then the government will just start drowning them instead.

      The problem is with the government.

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      • 509
        Blue Peter Goldfish says:

        I worry about all those poor flowers having their life span cut short by the greedy dehydrated NHS inmates with their troughs in the vases again, but I’m sure the BBC and the Guardian will shortly address this issue with suitable outrage and Alan Titmarsh :-)

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  85. 504
    EU Watch says:

    Have common purpose infiltrated the Ukrainian police, or has an EU place-man just decided to bail ?

    Like

  86. 507
    EU Watch says:

    Anti-Fraud officials in Sloven!a have resigned in protest of fact that their Parliament are blocking changes to anti-corruption law, which would remove protection from those in office:

    The corruption became evident and endemic since joining the EU.

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  87. 518
    Ed Dafty, LimpDim MP, Climate Change Chieftain says:

    KEEP PAYING MY GREEN TAXES !

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