November 6th, 2013

Salmond’s Joan: Remembering War Heroes is “Jingoistic”

With the Scottish referendum back in the news today, it’s worth taking a look at what the SNP have been up to. Alex Salmond’s favourite columnist Joan MacAlpine MSP has written a bizarre piece for the Daily Record, ranting about how Britain is marking the 100th anniversary of the beginning of the First World War. Apparently “David Cameron has decreed we hold jingoistic celebrations of the 100th anniversary of the beginning of the war”, and because the main event is being held in Glasgow Hall it is “a cynical attempt to boost Britishness ahead of the referendum”. Definitely not, you know, about remembering those who lost their lives.

She then goes off on one about “the outburst of hysterical patriotism in 1914 represented the worst of British – arrogance, self-delusion and a desire to dominate on the world stage”. Or as most people see it, helping to free Europe from a German warmonger. Further proof that the worst enemy to freedom for Scotland is the SNP themselves…


122 Comments

  1. 1
    Polly Toynbee says:

    I agree. Shame she is horribly white.

  2. 2
    José Manuel Barroso says:

    ‘helping to free Europe from a German warmonger’

    ROTFL

  3. 3
    Gerry Mandering. says:

    Just get rid of them. Who needs their paltry 5mn – we’ve got enough Poles and Romanians to make up the difference.

  4. 4
    Alex Salmond, formerly the cleverest man in politics says:

    Crivens! Hoots! Michty me! Help ma boab!

  5. 5
    Wee Eck says:

    Get it right Joan – it should be “…English – arrogance, self-delusion and a desire to dominate on the world stage”

  6. 6
    George says:

    What a depresing woman, if she represents Scotland then we are better without them

  7. 7
    Casual Observer 3 says:

    Surely in S’cotland the people would be remembering their own soldiers who gave their lives in that conflict, as well as those of all allied forces.

    The p’oppy symbolizes all who sacrificed, not just British.

    This woman is a revisionist idiot.

  8. 8
    Sir Sidney Bunberry-Dewdrop says:

    well I’ll be buggered if the womans not a traitor

  9. 9
    Paniagua V5 says:

    Go deep fry a mars bar Joan.

  10. 10
    Anonymous says:

    http://consultations.external.bbc.co.uk/bbc/news_review/consult_view

    what does one think of BBC news? Where shall I start

  11. 11
    Alf Garnett says:

    She definitely has a rather shaky grasp of the history of Great Britain.

  12. 12
    John Bull, South of the Border says:

    Heaven forbid anyone should try to boost Britishness ahead of a referendum on who is British. Anyone would think she only accepted the right of one opinion to exist.

  13. 13
  14. 14
    Anonymous says:

    I humbly suggest that everyone should actually read the Joan McAlpine article from beginning to end before making a judgement. Try doing it with an open mind. Guido Fawkes clearly did not.

  15. 15
    misty moisty moments says:

    you would though

  16. 16
    Ginger Minger says:

    “the outburst of hysterical patriotism in 1914 represented the worst of British – arrogance, self-delusion and a desire to dominate on the world stage”

    Sadly, she is absolutely correct. The ruling classes, with whom Camerooooon associates himself shoudl still to this day be held accountable, lined up against a wall, blindfolded, (tried of course) and shot.

    General Melchett of Blackadder IV fame was not a send up. Fry’s portrail was the stark truth.

  17. 17
    balanced vision... says:

    I’ve read it and shes a twat

  18. 18
    Ginger Minger says:

    Where is OUR referendum (the one that without a shadow of a doubt will see the whingeing Scots cut adrift so they can moan at themsleves and collect largesse from the EU).

  19. 19
    Adolphe Miliwatt says:

    The British should have lost the war, just to teach them a lesson.

  20. 20
    Ma­qb­oul says:

    Wow, it’s as if you were really there.

  21. 21
    Casual Observer 3 says:

    She’s going on about celebration, when the reality is commemoration.

    Falling at that first hurdle destroys the credibility of the article.

  22. 22
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    I may disagree with her on this issue but it’s great to see a nationalist party come from nowhere against the whole might of the corrupt LibLabCon to outright majority rule in Scotland.

    In time UKIP will do the same in England :-)

  23. 23
    Critic says:

    She tried writing it with her eyes and mind closed.

  24. 24
    Toxic Labour for spongers, parasites and criminals says:

    What a vile disgusting bitch, she shames all of Scotland and all the families who lost loved one’s in the wars. I would like to meet her in the street and explain the error of her ways to her.

  25. 25
    Ma­qb­oul says:

    Third time lucky?

  26. 26
    dierdre moist (miss) says:

    thank you Darling

  27. 27
    delusioned onlooker says:

    Try to imagine life today if these brave troops had not fought to save your sorry arse, you twat.

  28. 28
    and now the weather.. says:

    drone drone whine whine zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  29. 29
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    Only 18 months more of sucking Dave’s cock and then you can find a proper job :-)

  30. 30
    Anonymous says:

    Be assured that she does not represent any mainstream view in Scotland of which I’m aware. In fact, she doesn’t represent any mainstream view in the SNP, of which I’m aware, even among the many dyke-jumpers in the West of Scotland who now proclaim Nat credentials. Worryingly though, she is said to be ascloseasthis to Salmond despite prior misdemeanours, so what is his view?

  31. 31
    Electric Soup says:

    She accuses Cameron of the very thing she is guilty of in the article – using the occasion for SNP’s ends in the referendum. We poor Scots got it worst…Highland clearances.. lost generation, decline in manufacturing, we are the victims, not blaming anyone but watch, me finger’s pointing South, ah fookin hate the anglish, blah, blah, blah

  32. 32
    Allan D says:

    Most people north & south of the Border in 1914 thought that small states like Belgium & Serbia had a right to self-determination and should not be wiped off the map by brute force. Shame the SNP doesn’t appear to share that view.

  33. 33
    BOOOORING !!! says:

    Change the record.

  34. 34
    Ma­qb­oul says:

    Quite, we’d be living under a united German controlled Europe, ruled by decree from the continent.

  35. 35
    R. Youshore says:

    You’ve been reading some strange novels.

  36. 36
    Call me Dave, future failure says:

    I am the B side

  37. 37
    lola says:

    Perhaps we could arrange a quite word between her and the Highland Division. I know who I would prefer to go on patrol with.

  38. 38
    Jack Ketch says:

    Anyone remember Col. Mad Mitch of the Argylls? He would have had her on the end of his bayonet in a trice.

  39. 39
    They will not be forgotten says:

  40. 40
    And the difference would be...... says:

    ………alles mussen Deutsch sprechen.

  41. 41
    General William 'Boy' Haig says:

    I remember 19:14 very well. I was about to catch a train at 19:18, from platform 3.
    But the announcer was saying the train platform had changed. His Nigerian accent was so thick I could not make out the new platform and so missed that train to Worcester Woman.

    It was a black day.. A very black day..

  42. 42
    Scum, All Of Them says:

    Don’t be a fucking mong all your life, you know full well Cameron and the other scum in Westminster are using the anniversary for pure political point scoring. Guido fucking knows it is NOTHING to do with remembering the dead of that conflict, the scum bastards could not give two fucks about those who died, they were just working class cannon fodder to them. My Grandfather fought in both wars and despised every single member of parliament regardless of what party they pretended to belong to.
    Reactionary point scoring shits like you make me fucking sick you fake vile c,u,n,t. I hope that you die alone and in pain.

  43. 43
    Bourgeois Counter-Revolutionary says:

    We did lose the war, the Marxist’s won. This is the intellectual counter-insurgency.

    Hi, my name’s bob, I’m a Bourgeois Counter-Revolutionary.

  44. 44
    Jock Strap says:

    The SNP are kilt-wearing versions of UKIP, they’ll say anything to get noticed.

  45. 45
    Andy Bumhum says:

  46. 46
    Angela Merkel says:

    I think I should break this to you……..

  47. 47
    Reichsmark Merkel says:

    Nationalistic and socialist parties usually like to revere their former military glories.

  48. 48
    Jack London {now known as Ibrahim Ilford} says:

    SN ..who ?
    Never ‘eard of ‘em mate.

  49. 49
    The Libor party says:

    At the next PMQs, Red Len and Red Ed’s Seal Team will come up with another round of worrying scare stories.

    Last week, it was how you will have to choose between heating and eating. This week, it was how you’re all going to die on a trolley outside A&E. Next week, we’ll be scaring you with how you’ll all be homeless at Christmas.

  50. 50
    Nigel Farage, merchant of Truth says:

    Vote UKIP

  51. 51
    Soap Dodger says:

    Do Santander do food banks?

    Just wondering as I fancy Tapas for the tea.

  52. 52
    Wota Plonka says:

    Don’t hold back say what you mean.

  53. 53
    Nostradamus says:

    It’s just left wing peacocking. She’s just showing off to her right-on friends on the SNP back benches, which are infested with this type of self loathing inadequate.

    She’s probably just trying to outdo the little gay Green Party one who struts about the place with a white poppy on.

  54. 54
    Genghiz the kahn says:

    Surely as a good Scot she would revere Field Marshall Douglas Haig, who killed more Englishmen than any of her compatriots.

  55. 55
    Fishy says:

    Drone, drone? Good idea.

  56. 56
    Yeah, right.... says:

    Shame to waste money on a trial.

  57. 57
    Anonymous says:

    If you think we went to war in WWI to stop German war-mongering, then you are fucking stupid.

  58. 58
    Fairy Nuff says:

    Clearly another victim of the Crossland school of history teaching. HTF do these people ever get so close to the levers of power?

  59. 59
    Fishy says:

    And Lord Lovatt and his piper would have been first out of the landing craft.

  60. 60
    Fairy Nuff says:

    … but the problem is she actually believes the tripe she is spouting. Very sad.

  61. 61
    Fishy says:

    Lovat

  62. 62

    All the more reason to rebuild Hadrians Wall innit?

  63. 63
    Bloomers says:

    It’s a wasted vote.

  64. 64
    Since you ask says:

    At the moment he is looking west over the Trossachs.

  65. 65
    davidc says:

    David Cameron has decreed we hold jingoistic celebrations of the 100th anniversary of the beginning of the war”,

    i dont think david cameron has ever suggested we “celebrate’ WW1 !

  66. 66
    Since you ask says:

    Neither apparently does the EU.

  67. 67
    Since you ask says:

    Ah Jakarta – lovely place, especially if you like a good Chinese.

  68. 68
    Since you ask says:

    You should have asked a policeman then!

  69. 69
    Penfold says:

    Mcalpine certainly isn’t letting history and the facts get in the way of a political rant.

  70. 70
    Penfold says:

    I do believe that the casus belli was the German invasion of neutral Belgium whom we had guaranteed.

  71. 71
    Bruce's Spider says:

    Is she from the Socialist Nationalist Party or the Scottish Nazi Party?

  72. 72
    Sean Connery, California. says:

    Completely unlike the outburst of hysterical patriotism and jingoism fueled by a fictional hollywood film which created the Porridge Parliament.

  73. 73
    Anonymous says:

    We would all be driving Mercedes instead of mini metros…

    Although we would also have a fat female president who was a former communications specialist in the East German secret police.

  74. 74
    TobyG says:

    Jingoistic..!??!

    Like the Scottish National Anthem then!

  75. 75
    Anonymous says:

    I think the British establishment can count themselves very lucky they were not collectively strung up by the returning troops in 1918.

    Cameron and the rest of the westminster vermin are indeed using the start of WW1 as a cynical PR stunt for their own pathetic ends. A cheep bit of plastic flag waving for a country and people they all truly despise.

    If those that served could have foreseen what the governing class would do to Britain in the following decades, they simply would not have bothered.

  76. 76
    Anonymous says:

    I doubt must ordinary people cared one way or another about places like Belgium & Serbia. Probably a bit like how must people don’t give a stuff about Syria now, despite the relentless MSM propaganda.

    What they were concerned about was, if anything at all, was the direct threat, real or imaginary, posed by Imperial Germany to Britain and her Empire.

  77. 77
    Kaiser Franz Joseph I says:

    If my government hadn’t dithered and acted swifter, launching a single punitive strike on Belgrade across the border, then the other great powers would probably have just looked the other way and silently agreed Austro-Hungarian honour had been served.

    August 1914 could have all been so different.

  78. 78
    Just bugger off says:

    Didn’t Churchill have leaders of the SNP locked up during WW2 as subversives and potential collaborators?

  79. 79
    surlyscot says:

    No he’s looking over a load of fucking useless wind turbines, the fat MONG,
    the lot of them are red commissars, independence? from what??? to communism that’s what, think on England, that is what you would have on your border,
    a quasi communist state, don’t think the Anglo Saxons will wear it, hopefully,

  80. 80
    One party state says:

    Just like a vote for the liblabcon then.

  81. 81
    You know it makes sense says:

    Not at all. I shall vote UKIP at the Euro elections to give LibLabCon a bloody nose.

  82. 82
  83. 83
    Jess The Dog says:

    Sod it, I agree with her and I’m a former serviceman. The year 2014 is just an opportunity for hypocritical politicians to make hollow speeches about a generation which would view them with contempt and for arty types and the usual commentators to rake in the cash by claiming to speak for those who are now all dead. At the same time as all this, soldiers are now being thrown on the scrapheap, sometimes just hours from qualifying for a pension. And it’s hardly anti English or anti British… Haig was a Scot and Lloyd George a Welshman.

  84. 84
    Catesby says:

    “Or as most people see it, helping to free Europe from a German warmonger”. I think Blackadder’s explanation is perhaps a bit better. Just for clarity, Guido, you are playing the part of George here.

    Private Baldrick: No, the thing is: The way I see it, these days there’s a war on, right? and, ages ago, there wasn’t a war on, right? So, there must have been a moment when there not being a war on went away, right? and there being a war on came along. So, what I want to know is: How did we get from the one case of affairs to the other case of affairs?

    Captain Blackadder: Do you mean “How did the war start?”

    Lieutenant George: The war started because of the vile Hun and his villainous empire- building.

    Captain Blackadder: George, the British Empire at present covers a quarter of the globe, while the German Empire consists of a small sausage factory in Tanganiki. I hardly think that we can be entirely absolved of blame on the imperialistic front.

    Lieutenant George: Oh, no, sir, absolutely not.
    [aside, to Baldrick]
    Lieutenant George: Mad as a bicycle!

    Private Baldrick: I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich ’cause he was hungry.

    Captain Blackadder: I think you mean it started when the Archduke of Austro-Hungary got shot.

    Private Baldrick: Nah, there was definitely an ostrich involved, sir.

    Captain Blackadder: Well, possibly. But the real reason for the whole thing was that it was too much effort not to have a war.

    Lieutenant George: By Gum, this is interesting. I always loved history. The Battle of Hastings, Henry VIII and his six knives, all that.

    Captain Blackadder: You see, Baldrick, in order to prevent war in Europe, two superblocs developed: us, the French and the Russians on one side, and the Germans and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the other’s deterrent. That way there could never be a war.

    Private Baldrick: But, this is a sort of a war, isn’t it, sir?

    Captain Blackadder: Yes, that’s right. You see, there was a tiny flaw in the plan.

    Private Baldrick: What was that, sir?

    Captain Blackadder: It was bollocks.

    Private Baldrick: So the poor old ostrich died for nothing then.

  85. 85
    One party state says:

    The planned commemorations could very well backfire on the political elite as people start to realise just how far we have fallen as a nation since 1914.

    And as they look around them, they will ask the obvious question, ‘just what the hell did they fight for’.

  86. 86
    Postal Votes are Labour Loo Paper says:

    Did yo ever study history you pitiful specimen?

  87. 87
    Anonymous says:

    They may well have been cannon fodder, but a high percentage of them were certainly not working class. The young public school officers were first over the top from the trenches and died in droves on the wire, just like their young working class “other ranks”. The cream of a generation fell in the mud of Flanders regardless of birth or status. It is a sacrifice that we should all remember in humility whatever our political views.

  88. 88
    Thomas Lobster says:

    Just like the lads who lost their lives and limbs in another “glorious” Afghan campaign…Lions led by fucking donkeys.

  89. 89
    Keitho says:

    Perhaps you have some information in this regard that you could share with the rest of the class? Thanks.

  90. 90
    Gremalkin says:

    Oh Dear Guido, do you know what you have done? You are about to be assailed by the unblinking , phlegm speckled, loud mouthed and outraged cyber nuts of shining path nationalism.

  91. 91
    Johnny Hindsight says:

    People like that and all the other peaceniks make me wonder — Why oh why were our parents and grandparents so beastly to that nice Mr Mussolini & his funny little friend with the moustache? Just think — no wars, so no heroes to remember. That would make her happy — and we’d be better off. Er, wouldn’t we?

  92. 92
    Majorfrustration says:

    Lets just let them have what they wish for and then sit back and laugh

  93. 93
    Elvis says:

    *50,000,000.

  94. 94
    Lamonts alter ego says:

    Don’t think so numb nuts, as we are well aware that Cameroon is trying to play the jingoistic card comparing WW1 with the Queens Jubilee and the Olympics Really do think some of you clowns get with the programme

  95. 95
    Lamonts alter ego says:

    Actually we better of with out you fucking twat

  96. 96
    Lamonts alter ego says:

    Actually we ARE going to get what we wish for then piss ourselves watching twats like you realise what a complete fuck up that Westminster has been doing and wonder where all the money has gone

  97. 97
    Lamonts alter ego says:

    Guido has gone all establishment, who would have thought
    Once again Guido has lost touch with reality, what a complete fucking numpty

    This article is just further proof that your no friend of Scotland

  98. 98
    Lamonts alter ego says:

    How fucking original, straight from the Telegraph shit covered pages

  99. 99
    Niles Cooke says:

    News just in; Politicians use national event for personal and party purposes. And next tonight, a bear shits in the woods.
    Just because a politician is using a national even for their own gain is no reason to cancel it. If that made sense we’d cancel the Commonwealth Games seeing as the independence referendum was timed to take full nationalistic advAntagE of them.

  100. 100
    Lamonts alter ego says:

    Yeah why not, not sure about the people in Newcastle though, but as it goes rumour has it the folks in the North East wold be quite happy to be in Scotland

  101. 101
    Lamonts alter ego says:

    Neither is Cameron, who is a complete grease ball wrapping himself up in the union flag with his jingoistic crap

  102. 102
    Toxic Labour for spongers, parasites and criminals says:

    Thank you for your interesting comments. Remember when you are dying that you wished this on someone else and it came back to bite you.

  103. 103
    The BBC says:

    McAlpine eh, we feel a slander coming on.

  104. 104
    Jabez says:

    Hardly a traitor – just someone expressing their views in a truthful manner. I agree with most of her forthright comments. I lost relations in both wars by the way. I do not need to this annual prompting to remember them.

  105. 105
    robbie says:

    Guido – your historical knowledge of 1914 and its prelude is absolute garbage- as is therefore your linked conclusion.

  106. 106
  107. 107
    Sam the Skull drinking Buckfast in Maryhill says:

    Snots, wha hae wi’ Wallace bled

  108. 108
    islamabaddie says:

    Scottish are British.

  109. 109
    John Tandy says:

    Sick lady……

  110. 110
    Guido Forks says:

    The SCOTTISH NATIONAL Party lecturing Britain on jingosim, patriotism and nationalism. Words fail, irony is dead.

  111. 111
    ACM says:

    Hang on a wee minute ladee, are we not forever being told about the disporportionate amount of Scots who made up the armed forces, the settlers, the missionaries, the engineers, and yes, the generals and politicians, at the hight of Empire? Or, do you just want to claim the credit for building a few railways, spreading some enlightened legal principles and popularising some successful sports in far flung corners of the globe, and make believe that all the nasty bit in between were done by those horrible English? Fair enough. But you’re fool.

  112. 112
    Gordon T. says:

    “Start of the war” being the key phrase here. Only idiots, arms dealers and warmongers do that. Sane people celebrate the end of wars.

  113. 113
    Anonymous says:

    Only a fucking idiot would celebrate the start of a war.
    Prick

  114. 114
    Anonymous says:

    joan.mcalpine@yahoo.co.uk just in case you wish to share your views

  115. 115
    Anonymous says:

    joan.mcalpine@yahoo.co.uk in case you wish to show her your views

  116. 116
    Anonymous says:

    Earl Haig, field Marshal at the Somme was a Scot. As were many other influential officers. Not just the English, it was us as well. Not to mention the irish, welsh, new Zealanders and Australians.

  117. 117
    Anonymous says:

    Read up on your History mate.

  118. 118
    Alex says:

    Commemoration, not celebration. Big difference.

  119. 119
    Alex says:

    Remembering the dead and the fight to save much of Europe from being overrun by Germany is not ‘jingoistic’ I assure you. Not that you care about that of course.

  120. 120
    Anonymous says:

    Better than from Salmond’s shit filled mouth( or is that curry?)

  121. 121
    Anonymous says:

    I don’t think she really understands what next year is about. She is too thick to get it and wants to stoke up some anti-British feeling ahead of next year. She is also very,very ugly.

  122. 122
    Anonymous says:

    How the World Should Work: (According to Joan MacAlpine, MSP)

    Cameron: Should we hold a celebration of Britishness?

    Adviser: Oh no, it’s the Scottish referendum on independence soon. We mustn’t dare be British until it’s over.


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