October 25th, 2013

Cam and Clegg’s Own Energy Con

Dave is aiming to halve green levies, so says the Times splash this morning. Delve a little deeper though and this may not be the good news it seems. In order to satisfy Clegg, Cameron is considering simply shifting the money raised from green taxes on energy bills into general taxation. Which means the taxpayer is still stumping up to subsidise green projects, just in a less noticeable way. It is not actually a cut at all. If Ed is a conman, what does that make Cameron and Clegg?


  1. 1

    They are all wankers!

    Vote UKIP!


    • 7
      mad, swivel-eyed loon says:

      Has Dave ever said an honest thing or kept his word, other than saying that he’d increase foreign aid?


      • 12
        Vote UKIP - don't get owned says:

        To be fair Guido is the con-man here. Dave never said that he would halve the green energy tax. He is as wedded to this nonsense along with Ed and Nick.

        It is a Liblabcon tax.

        Vote UKIP.


        • 45
          Nothing Better To Do says:

          And what makes you think UKIP will be any different if they got their snouts in the trough? When you are talking about the coercive theft machine that is government the problem isn’t who pulls the levers it is that it exists at all.


          • Casual Observer 4 says:

            UKIP haven’t yet done that in office. The LibLabCon have.

            Defn insanity: Repeating the same actions expecting a different result. Time for some sanity.


          • The Critic says:

            Yes. Look at what taking the least worst option left us with last time. UKIP only look less worse than the rest because they have not had a go yet. Trust me they will be just the same. Nothing to indicate they will break the mould of the last 50 years.

            The trouble is – vote UKIP,or don’t vote at all, get Milliband is the likely scenario. Between a rock and a hard place.


          • Anonymous says:

            They used to say that about the LibDems.

            And now they are in coalition running the bloody country and with less of the vote than UKIP.

            You vote for what you want, and get what you deserve.

            The status quo and lazy logic is your enemy.


        • 101
          Dave says:

          Why have we ever got to the position where companies are forced into replacing the government in the provision of benefits? If people are to be given free insulation etc etc it should be borne by taxes, not other customers.


      • 114
        thomasm1964 says:

        I’m surprised you even had to ask. No.


    • 10
      MIKE OXHARD says:

      Morning sir , couldn’t agree more it will be UKIP for me also
      if i can be bothered at all
      Apart from Londonistan where the fuck is this “recovery” taking place ?


    • 38
      The Answer Is says:

      Cameron is a C U N T


    • 66
      UKIP, Millitwats new best friends says:

      Shifting the burden of subsidies to progressive taxation should have happened long ago.

      Let everyone pay for the wholesale plus margin but Government measures (green plus insulation plus subsidy for the poor) should come from those that can afford it.


    • 75
      A concerned voter says:

      Blast, you beat me to it!


    • 76
      A concerned voter says:

      Schrodingers cat for P.M.


    • 89
      Grangemouth unison cannon fodder up the workers red ed is great says:

      Those that say vote UKip will just get Milliband into office. The problem is UKIP voters are thick and cannot work a good strategy if it hit them in the arse. First you destroy labour as they are not offering a vote. When that’s done we all vote UKIP and destroy the Tories.
      It takes two terms to do but it would work. UKIP at the moment will quite simply put the labour twats back in office, remove the chance for a referendum and ensure that after one term the uk is so entrenched in the EU after Labour finish only war will get us free.

      No the true wankers here Re UKIP voters who are so stupid they cannot see they will make themselves totally irrelevant by voting this time for UKIP


  2. 2
    Vince Cable says:

    Carney: ‘BoE will accept a wider range of collateral’
    Translation: We’ll be the biggest toxic risk dump on the planet.


  3. 5
    Vince Cable says:

    UK banks have debts 4 X’s UK’s GDP. In Carney’s speech he says he wants that number to be 9 X’s GDP.
    >Total debt/GDP in UK would = 1400%


  4. 6
    Ex Tory gone to UKIP says:

    Dave is a Liar.


  5. 8
    Maximus says:

    Push me pull you – screwing the public teat at both ends.

    While stupid Ed Megabandit can be blamed for the Climate Change Act, AFAIK Milibandit family have not benefiting directly from the eco-scam – unlike Mrs Clegg or Pater-in-law Cameron.


  6. 9
    Gordon Brown says:

    Bring back me!


  7. 11
    Kinnochio says:

    Clegg is a complete Eurocrat. He has no place in British givernment


    • 21


      Me old mucker.

      No get up, I did not say kneel! That’s better! Right switch your brain on!

      Hmmm. No better is it? Listen carefully: VOTE UKIP!

      Now, repeat!


      Very good!

      Well done, boyo!


  8. 16
    Vote UKIP - don't let your granny freeze says:

    Say no to the Liblabcon energy tax.


    • 19

      I hope you are going to vote UKIP? ;-)


    • 26
      Living in 98.11% white Merseyside says:

      I find all this Green stuff frightfully boring. Almost half of QT last night was devoted to it, for the third time in four weeks apparently. I know energy prices are an important issue but why all this Green this and Green that. I didn’t even know we had Green taxes, but then, I only pay a bit of tax.


  9. 23
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Ecoloons says:

    Cameron and Davey keep telling us to switch our supplier to get a better deal.

    Well in 18 months time the voters will do exactly that.

    Vote early,vote often,vote UKIP :-)


  10. 25
    Ed Balls(Chancellor Of The Exchequer Designate) says:

    Carney the sham: BoE is supposed to be ‘lender of last resort’ not actively trying to expand size of banking sector.


  11. 28
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    ECB: M3 money supply contracted slightly in September to €9.582 trillion. No growth for months. Slump to go on.

    Keep calm and carry on,oh and vote UKIP.


  12. 35
    Nigel says:

    Out of 28 EU Member States, UK is only second to Estonia in the number struggling to pay energy bills. :-/

    Vote UKIP


  13. 39
    Chuka is Under the Weather says:


  14. 40
    The British media are cunts says:

    Cameron should try cutting fucking taxes and cut the waste.

    It’s not that effing hard. Tell the BBC and the unions to get fucked.


    • 82
      Grangemouth unison cannon fodder up the workers red ed is great says:

      Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake


  15. 41
    Thames Dover Wight says:

    Private sector businesses +employees =taxes.

    The big star up in the sky called Sun= climate change.

    Therefore, create conditions for businesses to produce taxes and let the Sun do its own thing, that’s what has been going on for centuries.


  16. 42
    expat says:

    ONS under the starters gun.


  17. 43
    John Bellingham says:

    BBC Question Time was an absolute classic of Wankers Aweigh!
    Liz Truss (who she?) a Tory, Owen Jones (what he?), Caroline Flint (why she?) and Tim Farron (how he?) all doing a Monty Python Four Yorkshireman Act about how ‘umble their origins were and how many of their classmates went to prison.
    (Flint apparently grew up on the mean street of Twickenham)
    That really nasty little piece of work, Farron claimed that he went into politics “to make a difference” after seeing “Cathy Come Home” on TV and crying— this alleged person was born in 1970; Cathy Come Home was broadcast in 1966 and was never re-broadcast until 2006! Liar! liar! Liar!

    Only one sensible voice–Peter Hitchens who concluded that no one in politics Lab- Lib-Con has the vaguest idea what they are doing, what they are talking about or where they are going.


    • 105
      Tiny minds says:

      Even the most oppressed people in the world, the Liverpudlians, were finding it difficult to take issue with Hitchins.
      They knew he was correct.

      That segment were they all laid out their comprehensive school history, boasting how they came up through the school of hard knocks etc was classic TV. Hilarious if it wasnt so fucking pathetic.


  18. 44
    altruism in industry says:

    Of course people in the past knew that if you wanted to make something worthwhile it might take a little bit of time, like the pyramids or a good cathedral, maybe even our grandchildren or their grandchildren will finish the job. For example the conquest of space isn’t going to happen in our lifetimes so to start it takes a view of humanity greater than individual fulfillment.
    What the country needs is a Grand Plan, which might be different to what the World needs.


    • 57
      kmc says:

      The Grand Plan should involve creating a super-virus that wipes out mankind. It’s not what the world was expecting, but it’ll be a nice surprise, good for the environment, reduce crime, immigration and all sorts of other difficult issues.


    • 71
      Casual Observer 4 says:

      Grand plan: Vote UKIP


      • 77
        Anonymous says:

        Get Milliband then UKIP become irrelevant

        Vote UKIP to ensure a closer union with the EU and no referendum


  19. 47
    Anoneumouse says:

    Cleggs wife and Camerons Father in Law are rolling in green subsidies


  20. 51
    Anonymous says:

    From the previous story. The pig bar suffers from the effects of Labour beer escalator tax so nothing to do with the recovery
    Time it was ditched though


  21. 55
    Sir William Wayd says:

    We must face the fact that there will always be some gigantic folly on which our rulers wish to splurge vast amounts of our wealth and energy. It might be a giant pyramid, a temple, a palace, a war or a set of windfarms.

    One day, the UK’s last windmill will be in the care of the National Trust, who will be carefully restoring it so that it can power the visitor centre, on windy days. People will come and marvel at the folly of their ancestors, while paying their taxes towards the latest vanity project.


  22. 56
    "The Science is settled". says:

    Jonathon Porritt on This Week last night. Full of venom for all those who deny man made global warming or those who believe what even the IPCC is saying that it will not be as bad (even beneficial) than first thought.

    But why do they haw to resort to bar room brawl responses and always refuse a debate by cutting off all discussion with no response phrases such as “The Science is settled”. He even denied that Germany was building 5 coal powered power stations even when Brillo showed him the proof.


    • 61
      Who the Hell is Jonathon Porritt? says:

      The science was once settled in many things that were manifestly wrong; flight being impossible, the Sun orbiting the Earth, suffocation for anyone traveling faster than 26mph etc.


    • 80
      Casual Observer 4 says:

      Science is never settled. That is the nature of science.


      • 83
        Sir William Wayd says:

        Much of modern climate science is Aristotelian in nature. It proceeds from abstract ideas of what ‘must be’ to a description of what ‘is’ and projections of what will be.

        Proper science is Galilean. It proceeds from observation to theory and from theory to prediction. If the predictions don’t come true, you change the theory.


        • 90
          uncomfortable science says:

          I was chatting with a physicist one time while stuck at De Gaulle and he said he thought everything might be down to shape. I’ve pondered since what he might have meant but not got very far.


      • 88
        Anonymous says:

        All you need to know about climate change, it has always changed!
        This is not our fault……



  23. 62
    Fern Bridge says:

    May I be the first to wish you all a Nattirb Noel..!

    Season’s Greetings!


  24. 64
    HM Government says:

    Climate Change Levy pushes up the cost of energy, Landfill Tax pushes up the cost of houses, Carbon Tax pushes up the price of everything. It’s how we roll.


  25. 65
    Witty Moniker says:

    Blah blah blah rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb.

    Vote UKIP!


    • 74
      Anonymous says:

      Get Milliband guaranteed
      Then UKIP becomes irrelevant


      • 102
        People still haven't realised that voting UKIP in May 2015 will guarantee a Labour government says:

        A vote for UKIP in the General Election is a wasted vote…the people voting for them will allow Labour to get into No10 and then all the UKIP supporters can kiss goodbye to a referndum on EU membership for EVER


        • 107
          HEARDITALL says:

          Can anybody tell me of a single act that ‘call me Dave’ has undertaken to repeal any of the thousands of damaging rule and regulations that were brought into being under the Blair/Brown regime.
          It really makes very little difference Liebour or Cons , the real puppet masters will be in Brussels.
          If Miliband wins the election his majority will not be massive ,it would be worth the risk if it meant electing 20 or so UKIP MPs, who would be a genuine vocal reminder about the true extent of the flood of Euro-Diktat .
          They might even give some of the anti EU tories a little backbone, you never know !


  26. 69
    Sir John Major says:

    I think his heart is in the right place but his head had gone walkabout….oh wait…bastards the lot of them


  27. 72
    green ink says:

    The media gushing over supposed ‘spying’ really do love stirring it up .. they are yet to explain how it is possible to internationally trawl communications and somehow exclude effective scrutiny of specific parts of the overall catch.

    The fact is that the public probably doesn’t actually appreciate this type of total global monitoring has been going on since technology has allowed and given the enormous advances in technical abilities has only increased in volume and scope.

    If the effects of this spat between consenting allies are to thwart the efforts to bring terrorists down we make ourselves only more vulnerable.

    I am totally against constraining the press in any way but the guardian et al are not serving the national interest by drip feeding this agenda of inner exposure.


    • 85
      Casual Observer 4 says:

      The primary surveillance is signals intel. Who is communicating with whom.

      Anyone entering a grid of interest will be flagged and then deeper checks made.

      General content of calls etc. likely checked at random for key words etc for further flagging.

      Merkel is being disingenuous with her rhetoric and Guardian also. Guardian not reporting on EU surveillance and in international relations it is false to think people are not spying.

      Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Watch everyone, especially foreign heads of state.

      Note: Since when did Merkel speak for Europe ?


  28. 73
    John Tandy says:

    From the Party of low taxes !


  29. 84
    Nanny at Govt. Information Centre says:

    Wrap up warm and mind how you go.


  30. 97
    Grangemouth unison cannon fodder up the workers red ed is great says:

    Those that say vote UKip will just get Milliband into office. The problem is UKIP voters are thick and cannot work a good strategy if it hit them in the arse. First you destroy labour as they are not offering a vote. When that’s done we all vote UKIP and destroy the Tories.
    It takes two terms to do but it would work. UKIP at the moment will quite simply put the labour twats back in office, remove the chance for a referendum and ensure that after one term the uk is so entrenched in the EU after Labour finish only war will get us free.

    No the true wankers here Re UKIP voters who are so stupid they cannot see they will make themselves totally irrelevant by voting this time for UKIP


    • 103
      green ink says:

      I suggested many months ago that the ukip strategy was not possible in a one election move and given the damage labour could inflict on this country in the intervening period of power not something that can realistically be tenable.

      It is fair to say the ukip option has engendered considerable appeal to the ‘none of the others’ voter but with no depth no serious talent and even less considered broad policy objectives they will struggle to deliver a meaningful platform.

      It is easy to come from nothing to making a splash in the media relying predominantly on an open goal EU issue that strikes in almost everyone’s mind but even with really quite meaningless mid term local election successes ukip are still a country mile away from creating a government.


      • 109
        HEARDITALL says:

        Do you seriously expect UKIP to refrain from campaigning on the premise that they might, just might allow labour in.
        The object is to get MPs elected, tactical voting is one thing, but to allow the opposition an easy ride is another, best to vote with your conscience, in the long run it will be much more effective.


        • 111
          Anonymous says:

          No but use a goos strategy of not Welcome to a labour government then

          Hope your conscience is up to it because after the last 2 labour governments the example has been utter disaster and mu conscience is never let labour get near power .

          Go ahead though vote with you conscience and make yourself utterly irrelevant.


          • HEARDITALL says:

            We can’t allow the tories to frighten people from voting UKIP forever, do you think Cameron is any less further up the Euro arsehole than Miliband?


        • 113
          green ink says:

          I don’t expect ukip to do anything but pretending that they can suddenly bring light and salvation to the political scene is cloud cuckoo land nonsense


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